Log for #openttd on 7th March 2006:
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00:01:30  <Vornicus> no, trackerless BT is peer to peer.
00:01:41  <Bjarni> In 2006, 500ft elevated 'stunt tracks' with massive ski-jumps are introduced. <--- now they have to hurry. They only got 9 months to complete them :p
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00:01:55  <uatec> what else is?
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00:20:54  <BFM> Bjarni, :D
00:26:04  <Bjarni> goodnight
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00:37:41  <eQualizer> Quick poll: How many of you is using UTF-8 charset at mirc? Hands up. \o
00:44:51  <ln-> \o
00:44:55  <ln-> no, not mirc
00:45:00  <ln-> just irc
00:46:38  <blathijs> I don't know what charset I'm using
00:46:45  <blathijs> not mIRC anyway
00:46:54  * FauxFaux isn't, but that's because irssi in debian stable sucks.
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00:47:39  * Vornicus uses UTF-8
00:47:46  <Vornicus> but I'm in xChat Aqua.
00:49:54  <FauxFaux||> Opera uses UTF-8.
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01:04:41  <uatec> i hyave a group of planes, and some of them have greenspots by them and some of them have grey spots...
01:04:45  <uatec> what's that about?
01:05:16  <glx> green spot mean positive profit and more than 3years old
01:05:22  <uatec> ah
01:05:34  <uatec> and grey?
01:05:46  <glx> grey spot mean too young too have profit status
01:05:52  <uatec> ah
01:06:00  <glx> there's also red spot
01:06:08  <glx> for negative profit
01:06:59  <uatec> fortunately i don't have any of those :)
01:11:23  <BFM> I use Chatzilla! It's a mod for Firefox :D
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01:16:46  <uatec> i use irssi cos it's really unintrusive
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01:37:42  <eQualizer> ...yes. Irc, not mirc. But I used the word mirc at the other channel, and it was close to irc, so I accidently mixed the word. Probably would have used irssi instead of irc over there, if I would have said that at the other channel instead of mirc. :f
01:38:16  <eQualizer> Anyway, off to bed now. I slept only 6 hours last night. And been up already over 18 hours.
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02:52:15  <uatec> what's up with this replace train thing
02:52:26  <uatec> it says that it's doing something, but just doesn't...
03:01:25  <BFM> Train replace is an AWESOME feature. The dude who wrote the code should be number 2 in the HALL OF AWESOMENESS, just behind Steve Erwin, The crocodile hunter!
03:01:36  <uatec> lol
03:01:42  <uatec> have you seen dr dolittle 2?
03:02:06  <uatec> anyway, i started a train replace 2 years ago, but it's not replaced any trains
03:02:57  <DiabloD3> they have to go to a depo, uatec
03:03:13  <uatec> they have been
03:03:28  <uatec> they go for a service once a year
03:03:34  <DiabloD3> who knows
03:03:59  <BFM> How strange. It should work as soon as they report in to the depot
03:04:56  <BFM> One thing with train replace, is that, do you get a refund for the OLD train that gets replaced? When I activated auto-replace, I only noticed the negative dollars rising from the depot as each train was replaced....
03:05:53  <DiabloD3> you get the sell price back
03:05:59  <DiabloD3> which is usually very low for old trains
03:08:14  <uatec> hrm.. i wonder what's better...
03:08:32  <uatec> dinger 200 or dinger 1000
03:08:59  <DiabloD3> depends
03:09:05  <uatec> on?
03:09:17  <DiabloD3> how busy the airporti s
03:10:07  <uatec> err, it varies
03:10:36  <uatec> i've got 22 dinger 200s and dinger 1000s, serving 11 international airports
03:11:04  <uatec> weird
03:11:19  <uatec> there's a clear pecking order
03:11:29  <DiabloD3> dinger 1000s go faster
03:11:34  <DiabloD3> but dinger 200s old more
03:12:05  <uatec> some plans make in excess of 0.000 a year, regularly
03:12:14  <uatec> and others make ,000 a year, regularly
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03:15:26  <uatec> planes replaced themselves quickly
03:16:38  <uatec> unfortunately it will take me a while to figure out whether it was a good move or not
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03:21:23  <uatec> yup
03:21:26  <uatec> they make more money
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03:50:40  <DaleStan> Problems, glx?
03:53:08  <glx> no trying different irc clients
03:54:44  <glx> and now going to sleep :)
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04:01:03  <uatec> damn i  really need to sort out my sleep patterns
04:01:25  <BurtyB> me too
04:04:05  <uatec> i need to stop playing ottd and stop watching stargate sg1
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04:37:25  <uatec> dammit
04:37:34  <uatec> i need to replace my little airport with a proper international one
04:37:41  <uatec> but it's too damned busy
04:38:02  <uatec> there's no time when the airport doesn't have 4 planes on it
04:39:33  <uatec> dammit
04:39:38  <uatec> now there's 5
04:39:44  <BurtyB> blow them all up!
04:40:27  <uatec> :(
04:40:39  * BurtyB isnt much help i know
04:42:46  <uatec> fortunately they are all on a shared list, so i can just add loads more airports to the list, to thin the planes out a bit
04:44:24  <uatec> WTF? it doesn't say that they are shared orders
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06:25:01  <gagarin_lg> hi
06:25:17  <ThePizzaKing> hi
06:25:33  <gagarin_lg> anyone of the devs here?
06:25:43  <gagarin_lg> I found a litte bug in the new settings thing
06:26:29  <ThePizzaKing> um, it might be a bit early for them
06:27:02  <gagarin_lg> okay
06:28:13  <Fujitsu> What is the bug? (I'm not a dev, but I'm interested :))
06:28:46  <gagarin_lg> line 1107 in settings.c
06:29:08  <gagarin_lg> the the default Value of network_restart_game_date ist set to 1920
06:29:19  <Fujitsu> Hahah
06:29:31  <gagarin_lg> the effect ist, that in a network game you can play only one year and the map is restartet
06:29:32  <Fujitsu> Probably meant to be 0, ie. never...
06:29:40  <gagarin_lg> yes
06:30:28  <gagarin_lg> so it should be "SDTG_VAR("restart_game_date",   SLE_UINT16, S, 0, _network_restart_game_date,    0, 0, MAX_YEAR_END_REAL, STR_NULL, NULL),"
06:30:51  <gagarin_lg> instead of "SDTG_VAR("restart_game_date",   SLE_UINT16, S, 0, _network_restart_game_date,    MAX_YEAR_BEGIN_REAL, MAX_YEAR_BEGIN_REAL, MAX_YEAR_END_REAL, STR_NULL, NULL),"
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06:32:56  <gagarin_lg> I have to take my son to the kindergarten now. I'll join again later.
06:32:57  <gagarin_lg> bye
06:33:13  <ThePizzaKing> cya
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07:51:12  <CIA-5> tron * r3779 /trunk/ (5 files): Move CheckTunnelInWay() to a more appropriate place, invert its result and give it a less ambiguous name (IsTunnelInWay)
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07:52:38  <gagarin_lg> hi
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07:58:50  <gagarin_lg> is anyone of the devs here?
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08:27:34  <AlexFili> hey folks
08:28:08  <ThePizzaKing> hey
08:30:28  <AlexFili> it really sucks not being able to host stuff on the internet
08:31:05  <Fujitsu> ?
08:31:15  <AlexFili> basically
08:31:19  <AlexFili> all my ports seem to be blocked
08:31:23  <AlexFili> cos of a stupid firewall in my router
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08:32:53  <Fujitsu> Unblock the ports?
08:33:36  <AlexFili> Fujitsu how lol
08:33:53  <Fujitsu> AlexFili, what model is the router?
08:34:09  <AlexFili> BT 1500 wireless
08:34:11  <AlexFili> Voyager
08:34:44  <Fujitsu> Well, try going to the configuration page. There should be something about port forwarding.
08:35:00  <AlexFili> yeah
08:35:01  <AlexFili> that doesnt work
08:35:09  <Fujitsu> It should!
08:35:12  <AlexFili> not a single bit i change affects anything i do
08:35:14  <AlexFili> seriously
08:35:30  <AlexFili> i'll send u a screenshot
08:35:41  <Fujitsu> What port do you want to forward?
08:35:55  <AlexFili> 3979
08:35:59  <AlexFili> the one that lets me play openttd
08:36:08  <Fujitsu> You want to go /out/?
08:36:16  <Fujitsu> Not let others in?
08:36:28  <AlexFili> um
08:36:32  <AlexFili> i just need to open the port
08:36:37  <AlexFili> so that it can be used
08:36:42  <AlexFili> because at the moment, it wont let me use it
08:36:48  <AlexFili>
08:36:51  <AlexFili> heres how its set up
08:36:52  <Fujitsu> Do you want to connect to a game, or host the game?
08:36:57  <AlexFili> HOST
08:37:12  <Fujitsu> OK.
08:37:15  <Fujitsu> Hmm.
08:37:49  <gagarin_lg> do you have a static ip?
08:37:50  <Fujitsu> As long as the internal and external IPs are correct, that should be fine...
08:37:55  <AlexFili> :S
08:37:59  <AlexFili> im pretty sure they are
08:38:37  <gagarin_lg> start a command shell in you windows and run ipconfig
08:38:44  <gagarin_lg> there you can see your ip
08:38:54  <gagarin_lg> ^ your local ip
08:40:11  <AlexFili> nope
08:40:14  <AlexFili> still doesnt work
08:40:30  <AlexFili> do i need to change the internal/external port?
08:40:44  <gagarin_lg> no.
08:40:49  <Fujitsu> How are you checking?
08:41:01  <AlexFili>
08:41:20  <AlexFili> also i can see on openttd that its doing the 3 search thing
08:41:24  <AlexFili> where it searches 3 times then stops
08:42:05  <Fujitsu> I can't ping you... It may be that the router is dropping pings, though.
08:42:33  <Fujitsu> Does ShieldsUp report as the IP?
08:42:39  <AlexFili> yeah
08:43:28  <Fujitsu> Very odd.
08:43:31  <AlexFili> :S
08:43:33  <AlexFili> u tell me
08:43:46  <AlexFili> i tried opening ports 0 to 1000
08:43:48  <AlexFili> that wont work either
08:43:51  <AlexFili> its just so stupid
08:44:07  <AlexFili> even if i disable my ip filter, it still doesnt work
08:44:19  <AlexFili> i dunno what the hell i have to do now
08:44:54  <Fujitsu> You are actually running OpenTTD as a server, I hope?
08:45:04  <AlexFili> well
08:45:06  <AlexFili> i tried it
08:45:10  <AlexFili> but it just gives me the 3 search bug
08:45:35  <AlexFili> it doesnt even appear on the main list
08:46:11  <AlexFili> i'll send u what the open ttd debuging window says
08:46:40  <Fujitsu> OK...
08:47:01  <AlexFili>
08:47:20  <AlexFili> is it meant to say
08:47:58  <Fujitsu> Probably means it is listening on all interfaces...
08:48:07  <AlexFili> oh ok
08:48:11  <Fujitsu> Although I'm not sure. I don't have any experience with serving OpenTTD games.
08:48:14  <AlexFili> :S
08:48:19  <Fujitsu> Aha.
08:48:24  <AlexFili> ?
08:48:24  <Fujitsu> I think I see your problem.
08:48:26  <AlexFili> :o
08:48:39  <Fujitsu> Your IP is, not
08:48:49  <AlexFili> um yeah i know
08:49:00  <AlexFili> i entered it again, but that didnt do anything either
08:49:06  <Fujitsu> OK.
08:49:09  <Fujitsu> Very strange.
08:49:38  <AlexFili> tell me about it
08:49:41  <Fujitsu> Have you got any other services that open ports on that machine?
08:49:42  <AlexFili> i spend all last night trying to solve this problem
08:49:48  <AlexFili> no idea
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08:55:31  <AlexFili> I JUST OPENED LOTS OF MY PORTS! :o
08:55:53  <AlexFili> i was using that test site and it said 'if you enable the ip of this site, your boxes will change color'
08:56:00  <AlexFili> and from 1 to 1000 almost each one changed to blue
08:56:07  <AlexFili> but theres 3 red ones :o
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09:17:57  <AlexFili> TrueLight!!!
09:18:07  <AlexFili> guess who? lol
09:18:10  <TrueLight> I think that was a very wrong action
09:18:18  * TrueLight is no knows as TL|Away
09:18:30  <AlexFili> lol
09:18:36  <AlexFili> i tried again with the ports
09:18:42  <AlexFili> ok
09:18:51  <AlexFili> so i can work out how to turn them from 'stealth' into 'closed'
09:18:54  <AlexFili> but how do i open them? :S
09:19:39  <TrueLight> Try the keyhole
09:19:42  <AlexFili> lol
09:20:04  <AlexFili> hang on
09:20:13  <TrueLight> AlexFili: we have been over this already multiple times.... you have to do that yourself, somehow in your router
09:20:17  <TrueLight> we can't help you with that
09:20:20  <AlexFili> :s
09:20:24  <Fujitsu> Yes, that's right.
09:20:26  <AlexFili> but ive tried everything
09:20:33  <AlexFili> but it wont let me open the ports
09:20:36  <TrueLight> Clearly not enough
09:20:39  <AlexFili> it just, un-stealth's them
09:20:41  <TrueLight> and what do you expect from us here?
09:20:49  <AlexFili> provide moral support? :s
09:20:50  <TrueLight> That we take our magic stick and make it to work?
09:20:53  <Fujitsu> Are all of the ports now closed, or just a couple you have specified?
09:20:56  <TrueLight> AlexFili: sure: YOU CAN DO IT!
09:20:59  <TrueLight> YOU CAN DO IT!!!
09:21:01  <AlexFili> well
09:21:10  <AlexFili> i un-stealthed all the ports
09:21:16  <AlexFili> some of them are open
09:21:30  <AlexFili> but none of them near 3979
09:21:35  <AlexFili> some of them are like around 100 etc
09:21:51  <AlexFili> and it wont let me change the ottd port to that number
09:21:52  <Fujitsu> Are you actually running OpenTTD as a server while you run ShieldsUp?
09:22:05  <AlexFili> no, why?
09:22:27  <Fujitsu> You need to, AlexFilI!
09:22:36  <AlexFili> :s
09:22:41  <AlexFili> it just gives me the 3 search thing
09:22:47  <AlexFili>
09:22:50  <Fujitsu> Otherwise it will be closed, as there is nothing there to connect to.
09:22:53  <Fujitsu> Yes, run the server.
09:22:55  <AlexFili> TrueLight, this is what you mean right?
09:22:59  <Fujitsu> Then run ShieldsUp.
09:23:15  <AlexFili> WHOA WHOA WHOA
09:23:17  <AlexFili> OMG OMG OMGO MG OMG
09:23:24  * TrueLight shots AlexFili with a big bugs
09:23:25  <AlexFili> we are advertised on the master server!!!!
09:23:29  <AlexFili> !!!! :D :D :D :D :D
09:23:35  <AlexFili> w0000000000t
09:23:36  <TrueLight> you told me yesterday that your PC had the internet IP
09:23:40  <TrueLight> now you are here telling me it has a local IP
09:23:44  <TrueLight> really... :s
09:23:44  <AlexFili> I DID IT!!!!!
09:23:48  <AlexFili> yahoooooooooooooooooo
09:23:53  * AlexFili breaks open the champagne
09:24:09  <AlexFili> AH
09:24:13  <AlexFili> 3979 is open on shieldup now :D
09:24:16  <AlexFili> YAHOOOO
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09:25:38  <AlexFili> ThePizzaKing, i got my TTD working! :D
09:25:56  <ThePizzaKing> that's good news
09:26:10  <AlexFili> can someone try and join my server
09:26:13  <AlexFili> to see if it works?
09:26:49  <ThePizzaKing> what version?
09:26:54  <AlexFili> latest
09:27:00  <AlexFili> not nightly build though, just normal
09:27:01  <gagarin_lg> TrueLight, there is an error in settings.c
09:27:30  <ThePizzaKing> ok
09:27:38  <ThePizzaKing> what's the server?
09:27:42  <gagarin_lg> network_restart_game_date ist default on 1920
09:27:42  <AlexFili> AlexFili Server
09:27:58  <gagarin_lg> so everey network game ist restartet after one year of playing
09:28:14  <TrueLight> gagarin_lg: good for you ;) :p Hehe :) Sorry, I am not in active stage of developing :) Report it via
09:28:22  <gagarin_lg> ok
09:28:31  <TrueLight> it smells bad anyway :)
09:28:36  <AlexFili> hey ThePizzaKing, are you joining now?
09:28:39  <TrueLight> so bug peter1138 or Tron about it ;)
09:28:42  <AlexFili> i see an ip ending with 206
09:28:43  <ThePizzaKing> AlexFili: You're still running
09:28:47  <AlexFili> um
09:28:52  <AlexFili> the latest version on the openttd site
09:29:09  <ThePizzaKing> 0.4.5 is the latest
09:29:15  <AlexFili> well
09:29:19  <AlexFili> whatever the lastest is, i have it
09:29:23  <AlexFili> oh wait
09:29:24  <AlexFili> hang on
09:29:25  <AlexFili> :o
09:29:32  <AlexFili>
09:29:36  <AlexFili> :s when was the new one released?
09:29:37  <Fujitsu> :O
09:29:41  <Fujitsu> A month ago.
09:29:43  <Fujitsu> Or so.
09:29:45  <AlexFili> eh
09:29:46  <AlexFili> thats odd
09:29:51  <AlexFili> i thought i had the latest version
09:29:59  <AlexFili> everyone cancel
09:30:01  <Prof_Frink> But anywaym 'latest' is not a version number
09:30:36  <AlexFili> thats odd...
09:30:39  <AlexFili> :S
09:30:48  <AlexFili> i only just got this a few days ago
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09:31:40  <AlexFili> i cant believe i finally got it working :D
09:31:49  <AlexFili> thanks so much TrueLight
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09:31:55  <AlexFili> and to everyone else that helped too
09:32:19  <TrueLight> AlexFili: send flowers
09:32:21  <AlexFili> lol
09:32:27  <AlexFili> hang on
09:32:58  <AlexFili>
09:33:01  <AlexFili> there ya go, knock yourself out
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09:33:17  <peter1138> send money
09:33:21  <ThePizzaKing> those flowers are awesome
09:33:27  <AlexFili> peter1138, im playing a DOS game, doesnt that tell you how much money i have?
09:33:28  <peter1138> like £650000
09:33:34  <peter1138> dos game?
09:33:47  <AlexFili> TTD = dos game
09:33:51  <AlexFili> even tho this is a windows port lol
09:33:53  <peter1138> ottd != dos game
09:33:58  <AlexFili> ottd isnt
09:33:59  <AlexFili> but ttd is
09:34:03  <peter1138> hmm
09:34:05  <AlexFili> ah ok
09:34:06  * peter1138 ponders djgpp...
09:34:08  <AlexFili> i have 0.4.5 now :D
09:34:24  <peter1138> besides
09:34:26  <Fujitsu> Why DJGPP?
09:34:26  <AlexFili> i'll host again
09:34:32  <peter1138> rich people get rich by not wasting money :)
09:34:35  <AlexFili> HOLY SHIT
09:34:40  <AlexFili> a fuck load of servers just came up!!!
09:35:03  <AlexFili> no wonder they were all red on my last version, it was out of date!!!
09:35:05  * AlexFili slaps himself
09:35:22  <peter1138> Fujitsu: first dos c compiler that sprang to mind :)
09:35:33  <AlexFili> ok guys
09:35:34  <AlexFili> im hosting again
09:35:39  <Fujitsu> Urgh.
09:35:45  <AlexFili> it should work 100% now
09:36:43  <AlexFili> OIMG
09:36:45  <AlexFili> SOMEONE JOINED M GAME
09:36:54  <ThePizzaKing> it was me
09:36:56  <KUDr> was me
09:37:00  <KUDr> from telnet
09:37:05  <KUDr> to test your port
09:37:12  <KUDr> and it works!
09:37:19  <AlexFili> IT WORKES :D
09:37:35  <KUDr> congrat Alex!
09:38:14  <AlexFili> hehe
09:39:08  <ThePizzaKing> I made a bus route :)
09:39:12  <AlexFili> hehe
09:39:16  <AlexFili> i found a good coal place
09:39:30  <AlexFili> no sabotaging k? :p
09:40:36  <ThePizzaKing> yeah
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09:47:54  <AlexFili> wow
09:47:58  <AlexFili> that clone train thing is awesome!
09:48:16  <Fujitsu> That's the point, AlexFili.
09:48:18  <AlexFili> :D
09:48:26  <AlexFili> i love openttd
09:48:36  <AlexFili> not sure about the transparent station names though
09:48:38  <Fujitsu> That's the point, AlexFili.
09:48:43  <Fujitsu> What's wrong with them?
09:48:44  <Hendikins> I'm bored. Anyone up for a game in a little while?
09:48:44  <AlexFili> its annoying if theres something behind it
09:48:51  <AlexFili> like
09:48:56  <AlexFili> i have a piece of track behind it
09:48:57  <Fujitsu> They are off-turnable, AFAIK, AlexFili.
09:49:10  <AlexFili> aj
09:49:11  <AlexFili> ah
09:49:14  <AlexFili> station names displayed
09:49:14  <AlexFili> thanks
09:54:37  <Tron> j
09:55:34  <Fujitsu> Very good, Tron.
09:55:45  <Fujitsu> I have never heard anything more intelligible.
09:55:47  <AlexFili> im doing the transport tycoon dance to the main music :D
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10:00:27  <Hendikins> No takers for a game?
10:00:36  <Tron> Fujitsu: "j" is an alias for "jobs", which i accidently wrote in the wrong window
10:01:04  <Fujitsu> Ahh.
10:01:20  <AlexFili> lol
10:01:29  <AlexFili> Hendikins, im playing in a massive game at the moment :p
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10:19:36  <AlexFili> hey you know
10:19:42  <AlexFili> i could host a transport tycoon quiz if you want?
10:19:48  <AlexFili> all i have to do is make some questions
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10:58:17  <Celestar> bah dis sucks
10:58:22  <AlexFili> whats wrong Celestar?
10:59:19  <Celestar> working on elrails
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11:00:36  <AlexFili> Starting the trivia. Round of 5 questions. = $did(850)strivia to stop. Total: 5
11:00:51  <AlexFili> 1. Trains: What date was Floss 47 designed?
11:01:11  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 19__
11:01:22  <TPK> is it 1264 ?
11:01:31  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 196_
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11:01:44  <AlexFili> just type in the answer
11:01:51  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 1963
11:01:55  <AlexFili> >_<
11:01:58  <TPK> 1963
11:02:01  <AlexFili> Winner: TPK Answer: 1963 Points: 1 Rank: 1st
11:02:05  <AlexFili> that hint is a bit too obvious lol
11:02:07  <TPK> wooooo
11:02:12  <AlexFili> 2. Trains: What date was Chaney Jubilee designed?
11:02:31  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 19__
11:02:34  <TPK> before 2000
11:02:38  <Prof_Frink> It's variable
11:02:41  <AlexFili> yeah
11:02:43  <AlexFili> its a number
11:02:44  <AlexFili> you just have to guess
11:02:51  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 193_
11:03:11  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 1934
11:03:13  <Prof_Frink> 1934
11:03:17  <AlexFili> Winner: Prof_Frink Answer: 1934 Points: 1 Rank: 1st Previously: 2nd
11:03:17  <AlexFili> Prof_Frink has moved up in rank: 1st
11:03:28  <AlexFili> 3. Trains: What date was Ginzu A4 designed?
11:03:47  <Prof_Frink> 1952
11:03:48  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 19__
11:03:50  <TPK> 1921
11:03:58  <AlexFili> lol TPK you are way off
11:04:05  <TPK> meh
11:04:07  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 193_
11:04:11  <AlexFili> i dont think trains existed in 1921
11:04:12  <Prof_Frink> 1937
11:04:28  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 1935
11:04:30  <Prof_Frink> 1935
11:04:33  <AlexFili> Winner: Prof_Frink Answer: 1935 Points: 2 Rank: 1st
11:04:44  <AlexFili> 4. General: What port does OpenTTD use for online play?
11:04:50  <Prof_Frink> 3979
11:04:53  <AlexFili> Winner: Prof_Frink Answer: 3979 Points: 3 Rank: 1st
11:04:53  <AlexFili> You're on fire!
11:04:54  * AlexFili hands Prof_Frink a cold beer for getting the last 3 questions!
11:05:01  <Prof_Frink> Or whatever you specify
11:05:04  <AlexFili> 5. Trains: What date was SH 8P designed?
11:05:24  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 19__
11:05:37  <Prof_Frink> 1958
11:05:44  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 195_
11:06:04  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 1955
11:06:06  <Prof_Frink> 1955
11:06:09  <AlexFili> Winner: Prof_Frink Answer: 1955 Points: 4 Rank: 1st
11:06:09  <AlexFili> Stopping the trivia. = $did(850)trivia <number> to restart.
11:06:09  <AlexFili> You're on fire!
11:06:16  <Prof_Frink> What a difficult quiz.
11:06:24  <AlexFili> i'll add some easier questions next lol
11:06:36  <AlexFili> unless you were being sarcastic? lol
11:06:37  <Prof_Frink> Questions that are accurate might help
11:06:52  <AlexFili> accurate?
11:07:02  <Prof_Frink> Seeing as the introduction dates can vary by something like 512 days in any game
11:07:15  <AlexFili> really? :S
11:07:18  <Prof_Frink> Yup
11:07:28  <AlexFili> :s
11:07:32  <AlexFili> i thought they always came at the same time
11:07:37  <Prof_Frink> Ask DaleStan for the exact values
11:08:00  <AlexFili>
11:08:02  <AlexFili> what about this site?
11:08:18  <Prof_Frink> That's the median date, it varies around that
11:08:48  <AlexFili> ok
11:08:59  <Prof_Frink> So, for example, I have had the 737 introduced before the 727
11:09:08  <AlexFili> :o
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11:09:55  <TPK> woooo
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11:10:17  <Prof_Frink> ThePizzaKing: ever heard of NickServ and the GHOST command?
11:10:25  <ThePizzaKing> no
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11:31:07  <peter1138> 1. Features: Who wrote new stations support for OTTD but didn't commit it?
11:32:34  <Tron> hm?
11:33:06  <AlexFili> um, no idea lol
11:33:32  <peter1138> me!
11:33:48  <AlexFili> oh lol
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11:37:05  <AlexFili> ok
11:37:10  <AlexFili> i made some more questions
11:37:29  <AlexFili> Starting the trivia. Round of 1 questions. = $did(850)strivia to stop. Total: 34
11:37:39  <AlexFili> Stopping the trivia. = $did(850)trivia <number> to restart.
11:37:45  <AlexFili> Starting the trivia. Round of 34 questions. = $did(850)strivia to stop. Total: 34
11:38:01  <AlexFili> 1. Trains: What approximate year was Kirby Paul Tank designed?
11:38:18  <Prof_Frink> Fish go moo!
11:38:21  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 19__
11:38:41  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 193_
11:39:01  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 1934
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11:39:31  <AlexFili> Time's up! The answer was: 1934
11:39:41  <AlexFili> 2. Trains: What approximate speed of the Lev1 Leviathan(in mph)?
11:39:45  <peter1138> *yawn*
11:39:53  <peter1138> can you, perhaps, stop that?
11:40:01  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 2__
11:40:10  <AlexFili> but some people might want to play :p
11:40:21  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 25_
11:40:41  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 250
11:41:11  <AlexFili> Time's up! The answer was: 250
11:41:21  <AlexFili> 3. Trains: What approximate year was SH '40' designed?
11:41:40  * Prof_Frink seconds peter1138's opinion
11:41:41  <AlexFili> Here's a hint, 19__
11:41:47  <AlexFili> fine lol
11:41:50  <AlexFili> Stopping the trivia. = $did(850)trivia <number> to restart.
11:46:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> [07.03. 12:33] <peter1138> 1. Features: Who wrote new stations support for OTTD but didn't commit it? <- someone who better starts committing ;)
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11:49:19  <AlexFili> lol
11:49:34  <AlexFili> so peter1138, what exactly do you mean by new station support?
11:50:38  <Fujitsu> Why didn't you commit it?
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11:54:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> AlexFili: newstations:
11:56:15  <AlexFili> lol
11:56:19  <AlexFili> peter1138, you dont get out much do you? :p
11:56:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> peter did not make the newstations set...
11:56:44  <AlexFili> lol
11:56:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> peter works on making OTTD able to use that set
11:57:07  <AlexFili> oh lol
11:57:13  <AlexFili> i guess hes not that bad then ;)
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12:07:15  <eQualizer> <BFM> Train replace is an AWESOME feature. The dude who wrote the code should be number 2 in the HALL OF AWESOMENESS, just behind Steve Erwin, The crocodile hunter! <--- Yeah, but autorenew doesn't work for those replaced vehicles. You have switch the patch off and on after replacing the vehicles.
12:08:14  <Hendikins> ^ And Steve Irwin is an idiot. I don't know an Aussie who likes the guy (myself included)
12:08:37  <eQualizer> Who is he? Never heard of him.
12:09:32  <peter1138> nice
12:09:42  <peter1138> and switching the patch off and on does precisely what?
12:10:18  <Hendikins> eQualizer: Mentioned, with incorrect spelling, in the above quote.
12:11:30  <eQualizer> peter1138: Makes sure your new vehicles gets autorenewed automaticly when they get old enough. Otherwise they just keep going withouth autorenewing.
12:12:20  <peter1138> i don't see how turning it off and on again will affect it
12:12:49  <eQualizer> Well, works for me. :)
12:14:54  <peter1138> also, have you considered posting a full and proper bug report?
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12:26:28  <SpComb> what music do openttd people listen to?
12:27:14  <peter1138> pixies atm
12:27:40  <Singaporekid> Elakelaiset!
12:27:40  <peter1138> ok, that wtf doesn't bear looking at
12:32:01  <SpComb> the SQL-results-into-a-file thing?
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12:44:05  <peter1138> yeah
12:44:51  <Tobin> Ahoy people.
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13:06:23  <Celestar> peter1138: this is getting difficult :P
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13:14:08  <peter1138> hmm
13:14:21  <peter1138> just the drawing stuff?
13:15:52  <Tron> Celestar: ?
13:16:28  <Tron> SetSignalsOnBothDir(tile, (p2 & 1) ? 2 : 1);
13:16:44  <Tron> does this make any sense? (from the rail depot build code)
13:17:29  <peter1138> yes
13:17:35  <Tron> ok, then explain
13:17:39  <Tron> 2 is TRACK_UPPER
13:17:41  <Tron> 1 is TRACK_Y
13:17:52  <Tron> p2 & 2 is the axis of the depot
13:17:58  <Tron> p2 & 1
13:18:11  <peter1138> er
13:18:22  <Tron> and why _OnBortDir_
13:18:30  <Tron> last time i checked depots had one entrance
13:18:50  <peter1138> hmm. point
13:18:52  <Tron> and further: how can placing a depot affect signals?
13:18:56  <peter1138> 1 : 0 would make more sense
13:19:14  <peter1138> Tron: they can place track bits in front of themselves
13:19:22  <Tron> peter1138: this is done later
13:19:34  <Tron> check rail_gui.c for this
13:19:43  <peter1138> oh
13:19:47  <peter1138> hmm
13:19:56  <Tron> this isn't even in the same command
13:20:00  <Tron> it's done via a callback
13:20:06  <peter1138> in that case
13:20:07  <peter1138> pass
13:20:07  <Tron> rail_gui.c:101
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13:20:54  <Tron> at the very least it should be
13:21:06  <Tron> UpdateSignalsOnSegment(tile, depot_direction);
13:21:25  <Tron> DiagDirToDir(depot_direction), to be precise
13:21:44  <Tron> but i want to change the second parameter of UpdateSignalsOnSegment to be a DiagDir instead of a Dir
13:27:06  <peter1138> right
13:27:21  <peter1138> it can't affect signals...
13:27:52  <peter1138> it could only possibly have affected pbs signals, but even then i'm not sure
13:30:04  <peter1138> 1 truelight SetSignalsOnBothDir(tile, (p2&1) ? 2 : 1);
13:30:05  <peter1138> :)
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13:31:07  <TrueLight> haha, old export
13:31:09  <TrueLight> tnx for triggering my name
13:31:26  <peter1138> heh
13:31:31  <peter1138> you're weclome :)
13:31:33  <peter1138> and welcome
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13:34:46  <Celestar> Tron: I'm trying to write a elrail drawing code without having 100+ ifs or switches
13:35:25  <Tron> Celestar: pm?
13:36:14  <Tron> Celestar: pm?
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13:37:06  <Celestar> whats wrong?
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14:32:04  <MeusH> hello
14:36:52  <MiHaMiX> okay
14:37:13  <MiHaMiX> wiki, translator, docs and nightly will disappear for a few hours
14:37:21  <MiHaMiX> due to complete server reinstall
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14:37:45  <TrueLight> ;)
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15:01:30  <Belugas> Hello :)
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15:05:56  <XeryusTC> hi all
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15:16:48  <C-Otto> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah the wiki is down.
15:16:55  <C-Otto> oh, topic
15:32:06  <TrueLight> it almost sounds like your life just ended
15:32:08  <TrueLight> t
15:32:15  <TrueLight> -t
15:32:17  <TrueLight> stupid NX
15:32:26  <Qball> maybe it did
15:32:43  <Qball> he might have a brain link to wiki.
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15:36:49  <Skiddles^> Gah, why does he always come when I go to sleep?
15:36:50  <Skiddles^> :P
15:37:35  <Skiddles^> Oh well, goodnight
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15:54:26  <MeusH> DarkVater: Have you seen ?
15:54:30  <MeusH> It's really awesome
15:57:36  <MiHaMiX> hm, looks great :)
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16:11:50  <Belugas> the name of the day after wednesday is "thursday", right?
16:12:08  <glx> yes
16:12:14  <Belugas> gracias :)
16:12:15  <hylje> usually
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16:35:34  <AlexFili> hi folks
16:39:44  <Marctraider> hi
16:39:52  <Marctraider> so how is newgrf support in openttd now?
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16:42:17  <AlexFili> not sure sorry
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16:57:01  <_gass_> hello there
16:58:30  <AlexFili> hi gass
16:58:36  <AlexFili> dont expect many responses here :p
16:58:43  <_gass_> someone here told me a link to a package (tar ou zip)  of .grf and audio files for open ttd
16:58:55  <_gass_> is that someone here?
16:58:59  <hylje> no
16:59:00  <_gass_> AlexFili: why?
16:59:22  <AlexFili> _gass_, most of these people are idlers
16:59:23  <_gass_> i have always been well treated here
17:00:04  <AlexFili> yeah :)
17:00:11  <AlexFili> i didnt say they would treat you bad
17:00:20  <AlexFili> im just saying, dont expect a response from 25% of the people here lol
17:00:38  <TrueLight> _gass_: more luck for those files on the forum
17:00:45  <hylje> 25 nicks would be a flood already
17:00:50  <hylje> :-)
17:01:09  <AlexFili> lol
17:01:15  <TrueLight> (Searching before asking always is a good idea ;)) :)
17:01:22  <_gass_> TrueLight: thanks ...
17:01:25  <_gass_> see AlexFili
17:01:35  <_gass_> TrueLight: TRUE .. but :(
17:01:43  <AlexFili> lol
17:01:49  <AlexFili> im so happy i can host games
17:01:51  <TrueLight> _gass_: it can never be hard to find that, because it is pretty clear where they are :p
17:01:52  <Prof_Frink> _gass_: topic #3407
17:01:52  <AlexFili> and ive got the latest version
17:01:54  <AlexFili> with clone trains :D
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17:02:42  <peter1138> ""
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18:03:00  <ln->
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18:06:40  <hylje> :>
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18:10:06  <MiHaMiX> ok, also works
18:10:12  <MiHaMiX> only wiki is down
18:19:28  <MiHaMiX> ok
18:19:30  <MiHaMiX> wiki is UP
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18:21:32  * Eddi|zuHause tries wether works ;p
18:21:44  <MiHaMiX> Eddi|zuHause: :P
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18:22:40  *** MiHaMiX changed the topic of #openttd to: Good services except for translator, which is DOWN | Website: * (Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs)
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18:27:32  <_gass_> MiHaMiX: are they all diferent servers?
18:27:50  <MiHaMiX> _gass_: no :)
18:28:01  <MiHaMiX> _gass_: they are on 2 different servers
18:28:25  <_gass_> and why are some down, and some up? ... ah ...
18:28:35  <_gass_> different
18:28:36  <MiHaMiX> _gass_: wiki, nightly, translator and docs are on the same server
18:28:51  <MiHaMiX> _gass_: i've reinstalled the server which hosts the above services
18:28:55  <_gass_> i see ...
18:29:07  <MiHaMiX> but now it should work except for translator, which is under development
18:30:27  <_gass_> MiHaMiX: just for base for comparing ... is that server in some datacenter?
18:30:35  <_gass_> rented?
18:31:11  <MiHaMiX> _gass_: no, this is on a university server
18:31:32  <MiHaMiX> _gass_: so it's not rented, but not very official :D
18:31:45  <_gass_> ah ... ok
18:32:46  <MiHaMiX> _gass_: the server is a dual opteron box with 4G ram and gigabit ethernet, in case you're wondering about the hardware :)
18:35:52  <_gass_> lol
18:36:09  <_gass_> MiHaMiX:  that's not a good hardare
18:36:27  <_gass_> hardware
18:36:30  <_gass_> that's a fine one
18:36:30  <_gass_> got to go
18:36:30  <_gass_> brb
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18:41:17  <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: good to see you here
18:41:50  <Bjarni> about the OS coulomb on flyspray...
18:43:12  <Bjarni> the flyspray guys called this addition rev 565
18:44:25  <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: ping
18:44:33  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: pong.
18:44:38  <Bjarni> ahh good
18:44:42  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: msg
18:44:43  <Bjarni> you didn't leave :)
18:45:25  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: i didn't
18:49:55  <Born_Acorn> This is not a joke! Every year that everyone in here doesn't give me £100, a patch of rainforest 100 square kilometers is burnt down!
18:50:21  <BurtyB> cool, that means more space to build my mcdonalds
18:50:35  * Bjarni kicks BurtyB
18:50:43  <Bjarni> next time I will even use /kick
18:50:47  <BurtyB> sorry i thought that was the way it worked
18:51:09  * Bjarni kicks McDonald's
18:51:25  <Bjarni> they are so big that they can do legal crime
18:51:28  <Born_Acorn> If you have a McDonald's, won't it already have been built?
18:51:31  <Eddi|zuHause> Born_Acorn: that does not mean that this would change if someone donated that ;)
18:51:45  <Born_Acorn> Eddi|zuHause. Of course not, but it is the truth!
18:51:49  <Bjarni> for some odd reason they never lose money, but their income for taxation is always 0
18:51:58  <Bjarni> never -1 and never more than 0
18:52:42  <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: that is not actually crime... they just redistribute any income to the shareholders
18:52:58  <Bjarni> I said legal crime
18:53:18  <Bjarni> and no, the money do not end up at their shareholders
18:53:33  <Bjarni> they end up in a Swiss bank account or something like that
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18:53:55  <Eddi|zuHause> that may be possible, too
18:53:57  <Bjarni> they don't give dividend
18:54:19  <Born_Acorn> lets form a revoltion in Switzerland to become un-neutral, then they can take all the money for themselves!
18:54:31  <Born_Acorn> mwaahahahaa
18:54:35  <Eddi|zuHause> i only know that most big german companies do it that way
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18:54:50  <Eddi|zuHause> like DaimlerChrysler, Deutsche Bank, ...
18:54:54  <MeusH> hi
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18:55:02  <Born_Acorn> (obviously Bjarni is a shareholder whohasn't got his money)
18:55:11  <Born_Acorn> In fact, he is the majority shareholder.
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18:55:30  <Born_Acorn> My logic wins.
18:55:33  <Bjarni> I would not invest in McDonald's
18:56:05  <Bjarni> I don't do unethical investments
18:57:26  <MeusH> MiHaMiX: I see Wiki is up and running
18:57:41  <MeusH> are the security mods uploaded?
18:57:43  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: yes, but i'll work on wiki tonight
18:57:48  <MeusH> Bjarni: I don't like mcdonalds, too
18:58:35  <MeusH> MiHaMiX: I'll revert the shit, I just want to be sure I won't have to do it over and over again
18:58:56  <Bjarni> MeusH: when you like it, you like it too, but if you join a group, who don't like it, you don't like it either
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18:58:58  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no, you won't have to do
18:59:08  <Bjarni> [/English lesson]
19:00:23  <Eddi|zuHause> intresting, i did not know that, Bjarni
19:01:28  <Eddi|zuHause> in german it is the same word... (too = auch, not ... either = auch nicht)
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19:03:18  <MeusH> MiHaMiX: do you mean there is a cool script that reverts such a changes?
19:03:48  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no, I mean that I'll use one of the solutions you've sent me the other day
19:03:57  <MeusH> ah, yeah
19:04:33  <MeusH> Bjarni: So, "too" is for me only, while "either"  applies to "us"?
19:04:46  <Bjarni> err, no
19:04:50  <Bjarni> that's not what I meant
19:05:33  <Bjarni> when you join a group, that goes pro something, you do that too, while if you go against it (like you don't do it), you don't do it either
19:05:33  <MeusH> anyway, "me too" or "I too"? I'd bet the first one, right?
19:05:36  <Eddi|zuHause> MeusH: no, he meant "too" is used when positive, and "either" when negative
19:05:50  <MeusH> oh, okay
19:06:23  <MeusH> so, let's say group likes A, and I don't like it. So "I don't like it either"?
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19:06:41  <Eddi|zuHause> no...
19:06:44  <MeusH> umm
19:06:52  <Bjarni> you don't join group A in not liking it since they like it
19:06:56  <Eddi|zuHause> "too" when A likes it, and you like it
19:07:03  <MeusH> yep
19:07:06  <Eddi|zuHause> "either" when A does not like it, and you do not like it
19:07:26  <MeusH> "either" when we all don't like it
19:07:37  <Eddi|zuHause> right.
19:07:39  <MeusH> great, thank you so much
19:07:50  <MeusH> belive me or not, but I know english only from computer
19:08:07  <MeusH> first dad helped me, then I learned everything on fora and irc channels
19:08:15  <Eddi|zuHause> i had english at school for 8 years...
19:08:17  <Bjarni> the important part is not to be the quickest learner, but instead to understand it in the end ;)
19:08:24  <MeusH> school english is at a really poor level
19:08:25  <Eddi|zuHause> but i only really learned it after i went online
19:08:44  <Eddi|zuHause> that was after school
19:09:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i was good in school... especially when it comes to grammar
19:09:26  <MeusH> I'm good in words
19:09:33  <MeusH> I know almost all words
19:09:38  <Eddi|zuHause> but you don't have any opportunity to practice the language
19:09:41  <MeusH> but the bad part is grammar
19:09:48  <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't build up an active vocabular
19:09:48  <MeusH> I usually confuse conditionals
19:09:53  <Eddi|zuHause> +y
19:10:01  <MeusH> yes Eddi, that's right
19:10:04  <Bjarni> 	<Eddi|zuHause>	i was good in school... especially when it comes to grammar <--- that is what I was told, except in my case it was aimed at German
19:10:06  <Eddi|zuHause> conditionals are a pain ;)
19:10:18  <MeusH> Internet is the only way to practice the language skills
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19:11:19  <Eddi|zuHause> <MeusH> I know almost all words <- i learn a new word every now and then ;)
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19:11:58  <MeusH> However I can't remember quite well how to say the pipe you insert to mouth to have air when diving
19:12:06  <MeusH> it is...
19:12:10  <MeusH> snorkel maybye?
19:12:27  <MeusH> lol, nevermind
19:12:28  <C-Otto> hi
19:12:37  <C-Otto> could you give me the picture of the "branch-merge-junction" please?
19:12:38  * MeusH starts saying strange things
19:12:41  <MeusH> hi C-Otto
19:13:36  * Eddi|zuHause must not miss gilmore girls
19:14:36  <C-Otto> gg rock.
19:14:44  <SpComb> gggg!
19:16:42  <CIA-5> rubidium * r3780 /branch/tfc_newmap/ (8 files in 2 dirs): [tfc_newmap] - Add missing casts in map functions
19:17:26  <ln-> newmap?
19:19:23  <MeusH> Bjarni or Truelight, may you enlight me with the newmap thingy? I must have missed a lot when I was gone away
19:19:26  <MeusH> what is the plan?
19:19:45  <TrueLight> MeusH: as Rubidium, or Belugas, or egladil, or glx|away ;)
19:19:48  <MeusH> is it be going to be merged when all developers agree, and when it works just like the current system?
19:19:51  <MeusH> okay
19:19:55  <MeusH> hey Belugas
19:20:00  <MeusH> remember me? ;)
19:22:47  <Belugas> heu... who are you ?
19:23:02  <Belugas> And why do you call my name?
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19:25:22  <Belugas> AS to answer your question, it is not decided yet.  Tron is working with us, asking questions,  proposing etc...  So little by little, stuff is inserted.  Even if it is not exactly what we wrote.
19:25:37  <MeusH> wow
19:25:45  <MeusH> you've got Tron's support, that's great
19:26:40  <MeusH> at the first relase, I assume typical player won't feel the difference from the current system
19:26:58  <MeusH> but it is going to ease the process of changing the map array, right?
19:27:03  <Belugas> Because there is no difference right now...
19:27:09  <hylje> infrastructure is important to develop
19:27:25  <Belugas> The big work will only begin when all accessors are inplace
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19:42:14  <SpComb> harvesting spam addresses?
19:42:27  <hylje> no. souls
19:42:30  <hylje> [evil laugh]
19:42:40  <BurtyB> hmmm spam
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19:50:27  <Bjarni> what exploit is he talking about?
19:50:55  <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: DCC SEND "string" 0 0 0
19:51:08  <Bjarni> what will it do?
19:51:22  <BurtyB> instant orgasm
19:51:26  <Bjarni> cool
19:51:30  <Bjarni> I better try that
19:51:36  <Diablo-D3> it fucks over third party firewalls on certain routers
19:51:50  <Diablo-D3> said routers run linux and can run iptables, so bonus points for double retardation
19:52:40  <Bjarni> why do we even allow security holes?
19:52:54  <hylje> nobody should allow them
19:52:58  <Bjarni> I mean why do we secure software:
19:53:08  <Diablo-D3> well, if they would have actually done what the fuck they were supposed to, we wouldnt have this problem
19:53:12  <Diablo-D3> iptables is immune to it
19:53:15  <hylje> its just that the holes always find their way to the product
19:53:25  <Bjarni> we can just make a law to send people, who exploit security holes to prison
19:53:28  <Diablo-D3> if you're building a router, and not using iptables, why the fuck even bother.
19:53:59  <BurtyB> Bjarni because people are fallible
19:54:42  <Diablo-D3> well
19:54:45  <Diablo-D3> theres "security issues"
19:54:52  <Diablo-D3> and then theres "total fuck ups a 3 year old could find"
19:55:02  <Diablo-D3> this one falls under the latter category.
19:55:32  <MiHaMiX> ok
19:55:45  <MiHaMiX> wiki will probably go down for an hour or so
19:56:10  <hylje> Diablo-D3: then theres the User Erros
19:56:12  <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: anyhow, routers using this firewall instantly reboot
19:56:13  <hylje> Errors*
19:56:37  <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: though some just kill the irc connection
19:57:03  <hylje> liek.. startkeylogger? ;)
19:57:30  <Diablo-D3> thats on a similar scale
19:57:36  <Diablo-D3> it'd cause norton firewall to go apeshit
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20:19:20  <MeusH> MiHaMiX: let me know if there is anything new on the wiki :)
20:19:27  <MeusH> ie the authorising
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20:29:31  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: are you here? :)
20:29:51  <MeusH> yep
20:30:28  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: msg
20:31:14  <MeusH> yeah, sure
20:31:26  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: i've sent you messages :)
20:32:16  <MeusH> yeah, I know
20:32:29  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: can you respond? :)
20:32:41  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: probably you need to identify
20:33:02  <MeusH> right, ty
20:33:07  <MiHaMiX> :)
20:33:22  <MeusH> done
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21:10:01  <XeryusTC> hi all
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21:11:01  <AlexFili> help
21:11:10  <AlexFili> my server is on openttd, but i cant find it in the multiplayer list anywhere
21:11:54  <XeryusTC> did you put advertizing on?
21:11:59  <AlexFili> yeah
21:12:08  <DjViper> did you open the port in your router?
21:12:09  <AlexFili> its on the openttd website under servers
21:12:14  <AlexFili> but, its not on the multiplayer list
21:12:41  <AlexFili> its a toyland server
21:12:45  <AlexFili> and the name is TOYLAND SERVER
21:12:49  <AlexFili> so it should be really easy to spot
21:13:13  <XeryusTC> does your router support loopback?
21:13:25  <AlexFili> i dunno
21:13:39  <AlexFili> i hosted OTTD before, and it workeed
21:13:57  <glx>
21:14:08  <XeryusTC> try connecting to your server by using typing "open <address>" in the console
21:14:10  <AlexFili> yeah
21:14:12  <AlexFili> thats my ip
21:14:16  <glx> I see it
21:14:37  <AlexFili> you can, TOYLAND SERVER?
21:14:57  <glx> yes
21:15:01  <AlexFili> oh good lol
21:15:07  <AlexFili> i thought my ttd had messed up again
21:15:18  <AlexFili> so, does anyone want to play toyland#?
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21:16:50  <XeryusTC> <XeryusTC> try connecting to your server by using typing "open <address>" in the console <- tried it?
21:17:18  <AlexFili> doesnt work
21:18:00  <XeryusTC> your router doesn't support loopback then
21:18:07  <XeryusTC> knowing that solves a lot of problems :P
21:18:21  <AlexFili> oh ok lol
21:18:30  <AlexFili> can someone try and connect to my server?
21:18:51  <XeryusTC> you have 0.4.5 or a nightly?
21:18:55  <AlexFili> 0.4.5
21:19:03  <AlexFili> glx said he could see it
21:19:04  <XeryusTC> ill try
21:19:14  <XeryusTC> im not playing though
21:19:14  <glx> but I use latest svn
21:19:31  <AlexFili> ok
21:19:36  <AlexFili> yay
21:19:37  <AlexFili> it works
21:19:42  <hylje> gz
21:19:43  <XeryusTC> im in
21:19:54  <AlexFili> come on, whats so bad about toyland? :S
21:19:59  <XeryusTC> nothing
21:20:02  <AlexFili> lol
21:20:04  <XeryusTC> don't have time to play
21:20:06  <AlexFili> everyone seems to hate it
21:20:07  <AlexFili> oh ok
21:20:11  <AlexFili> maybe some other time ;)
21:21:02  <XeryusTC> its only the sounds that everything makes, but i disabled those so there isn't a thing wrong with it now :)
21:21:15  <AlexFili> lol
21:21:17  <AlexFili> ok :p
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21:24:04  <MeusH> hey
21:24:10  <AlexFili> hi
21:24:14  <AlexFili> MeusH wanna play?
21:25:03  <MeusH> no
21:25:06  <AlexFili> :(
21:25:10  <MeusH> my connection is crappy now
21:25:14  <AlexFili> anyone else wanna play?
21:25:21  <Turulo> hi AlexFili
21:25:22  <MeusH> In 8 hours maybye? ;)
21:25:26  <AlexFili> lol
21:25:26  <Turulo> i dont think so
21:25:28  <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX
21:25:32  <AlexFili> in 8 hours i will be asleep
21:25:43  <Turulo> why you dont play on any other server with players...
21:25:53  <AlexFili> because ive already started on the one im hosting
21:25:56  <AlexFili> lol
21:26:18  <Turulo> bad then
21:26:22  <AlexFili> ;p
21:26:44  <Turulo> did you talk to Sacro or found out something for the DS?
21:27:09  <AlexFili> who me?
21:27:20  <AlexFili> I posted a request on the openttd psp forum
21:27:23  <Turulo> yeps
21:27:31  <Turulo> and i replied you
21:27:47  <AlexFili> :o
21:27:51  <AlexFili> i havent read it in a while
21:27:51  <AlexFili> hang on
21:27:51  <Turulo> i thought you would be looking for sacro
21:28:16  <Turulo> i think he was trying to make the ds port...
21:28:27  <AlexFili> you are jaime?
21:28:33  <Turulo> yep
21:28:33  <AlexFili> WHOA! HE was?! :o
21:28:39  <AlexFili> sweet
21:28:42  <AlexFili> i would love to play it on DS
21:28:44  <MeusH> MiHaMiX: Sorry for that loong reboot, actually my internet connection went out so I had to reconfigure stuff
21:29:08  <Turulo> i dont really know, if he is still trying to port it..
21:29:15  <AlexFili> "I could try do it, but i dont have a DS, also DS could introduce some limitations, due to small screen resolution (that would suppose a big gui code hacking), and it could also be little bit slow running the game due to its cpu power."
21:29:28  <AlexFili> the resolution isnt that much smaller then psps
21:29:42  <AlexFili> and the cpu power is good enough to run 3d stuff, so i dont see any problem there
21:29:45  <hylje> plus two screens
21:29:49  <Turulo> wel
21:29:51  <Turulo> well
21:29:59  <Turulo> what is the screen resolution?
21:29:59  <AlexFili> if you could put the map on the bottom screen, that would be awesome
21:30:06  <AlexFili> 256x192 i think
21:30:19  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no prob
21:30:22  <Turulo> then its half thank psp 480x272
21:30:29  <MiHaMiX> MeusH: reident yourself and we'll continue :)
21:30:43  <AlexFili> Turulo maybe you could just have it normal resolution, but tall
21:30:51  <AlexFili> so the bottom screen is like the bottom half of it? or something lol
21:30:58  <Turulo> just think
21:31:02  <AlexFili> if you could put all the building icons on the bottom and click, that would be sweet
21:31:03  <Turulo> think on toolbar
21:31:12  <hylje> scale stuff down :>
21:31:17  <Turulo> and other economy windows
21:31:28  <Turulo> are at least 640 on width
21:31:45  <AlexFili> how does it fit on psp then? :o
21:32:02  <Turulo> well 480 isnt the same as 256
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21:32:26  <Turulo> just cutting some buttons, and reducing 2px on each for toolbar fits fine
21:32:37  <AlexFili> hmm
21:32:45  <Turulo> after that i needed to resize height of save/load windows
21:32:46  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe there should be a "standard-hack" whenever resolution is <640
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21:33:09  <Turulo> and economy windows use pc aspect ratio
21:33:20  <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX
21:33:25  <MeusH> I'm ready
21:33:27  <Turulo> but dont fit on psp screen, anyway you can move them arround to see the hole window
21:33:41  <hylje> then patch the econ windows to scale :-)
21:33:55  <Turulo> Eddi|zuHause i dont think there would be any possible for < 640
21:34:19  <Turulo> same gui hack for psp wont work fine onto ds
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21:34:31  <Eddi|zuHause> why?
21:34:36  <hylje> ds will need special gui haxs
21:34:39  <Turulo> first of all, you should split toolbar into two lines
21:34:56  <hylje> its dual after all
21:35:16  <Turulo> Eddi|zuHause on handleds the best is using as much resolution as handled can
21:35:22  <Turulo> and it varies from each one
21:35:27  <AlexFili> since i own a DS, im happy to give you any specifics you need
21:35:32  <AlexFili> i can do some beta testing too :p
21:35:37  <Turulo> such as ds, has half resolution than psp but uses 2 screens
21:35:50  <AlexFili> i have a M3 custom cart, so i can run .nds files
21:36:07  <Turulo> Eddi|zuHause do you know if sacro is still looking for ds porting?
21:36:17  <hylje> perhaps the upper screen would be for data such as map, dialogs and touch for interactive stuff
21:36:18  <Turulo> AlexFili just try to talk sacro
21:36:26  <AlexFili> hmmm, i'll try
21:36:27  <Eddi|zuHause> why would i know that?
21:36:46  <Turulo> if you use to stay arround here, maybe you heard from him
21:37:25  <Turulo> hylje, that may suppose a heavy gui rehack, i can almost asure none of the openttd windows, will fit onto ds screen
21:37:38  <hylje> yep
21:37:54  <Turulo> gui for ds must be a pain
21:38:00  <hylje> would possibly need a smaller widget set
21:38:02  <Turulo> and cpu power could be an issue
21:38:20  <Turulo> as openttd doesnt use any graphics aceleration
21:38:38  <Turulo> unless nintento SDL lib port uses it, and i dont think so...
21:38:39  <AlexFili> how much harder would clicking a mouse be to pressing the touch screen?
21:38:39  <AlexFili> both detect presses in certain parts of the screen right?
21:38:54  <Turulo> AlexFili controls arent the matter
21:39:03  <Eddi|zuHause> but what i meant with "standard-hack" was actually, prepare the general OTTD gui to easily be changed for anything (or most things) that are necessary for low resolution
21:39:05  <Turulo> i can position mouse wherever you press on the screen
21:39:19  <Eddi|zuHause> so the port-people do not have to "hack", but merely adjust some options
21:39:37  <Turulo> that would be really a pain...
21:39:41  <AlexFili> if you treat the 2 screens as one big screen split in half, maybe that would be better
21:39:57  <Turulo> still width is the problem
21:40:08  <AlexFili> how hard is adding scroll bars?
21:40:14  <hylje> ui will need redesign
21:40:22  <hylje> for ds
21:40:27  <hylje> thats 4sure
21:40:39  <Turulo> AlexFili you mean scrollbars onto windows or for the screen?
21:40:44  <AlexFili> um yeah
21:40:50  <AlexFili> for the windows that are wider then the DS screen
21:40:53  <AlexFili> horizontal scrollbars?
21:41:08  <Turulo> you must redo the window widgets array
21:41:19  <Turulo> also implement code for scrollbar handling
21:41:31  <Turulo> and maybe resize around 20 or 30 windows
21:41:37  <Turulo> or maybe more..
21:41:42  <AlexFili> :S
21:42:05  <Turulo> i just resized around 8 windows for psp, without scrollbars
21:42:09  <Turulo> that would be more code...
21:42:19  <Turulo> just wait for Sacro
21:42:23  <AlexFili> ok lol
21:42:28  <Turulo> he was trying to port it
21:43:00  <Turulo> maybe he could tell you if is possible or not, probably he got frustated (i would)
21:43:48  <Turulo> anyway you should get a psp
21:44:12  <Turulo> ds is just fine for nintendogs
21:44:17  <AlexFili> omg
21:44:26  <AlexFili> i thought you were a smart person
21:44:47  <Turulo> yeps, but not a nintendo fan
21:44:50  <AlexFili> you think resolution and processor is everything/
21:45:03  <Turulo> i used to, when i were 8 years old
21:45:04  <hylje> its allabout design
21:45:22  <Turulo> that and the game marked
21:45:31  <Turulo> nintendo only makes kids games
21:45:39  <AlexFili> thats totally wrong
21:45:43  <AlexFili> resident evil is out on ds
21:45:43  <hylje> nintendo makes fun games
21:45:47  <hylje> :)
21:46:29  <Turulo> sure they are fun
21:46:40  <Turulo> but i prefer other game topics
21:46:48  <AlexFili> like?
21:47:04  <Turulo> simulation, shot em ups
21:47:22  <Turulo> and some strategy which psp hasnt ;(
21:47:38  <AlexFili> age of empires? :p
21:47:49  <hylje> command n conquer
21:47:52  <Turulo> i dont like that, is from m$
21:47:56  <Turulo> but yes, kinda
21:48:00  <AlexFili> lol
21:48:06  <Turulo> more economic than war strategy
21:48:13  <AlexFili> i just want TTD on DS
21:48:15  <AlexFili> thats all :p
21:48:21  <hylje> youre one of the macro guys?
21:48:37  <hylje> as opposed to the micro guys
21:48:38  <Turulo> AlexFili just add sacro to your notify
21:48:44  <AlexFili> oh yeah
21:48:46  <AlexFili> i forgot about that
21:48:52  <Turulo> i think he was trying to port to ds
21:49:09  <Turulo> anyaway i could be wrong, but someone around here is trying to
21:49:10  <AlexFili> i know lol
21:49:14  <Turulo> hylje macro boy?
21:49:23  <hylje> macro - empire management
21:49:30  <hylje> micro - unit management
21:49:37  <AlexFili> i like economy games better then strategy
21:49:40  <AlexFili> but strategy is fun too
21:49:51  <Bjarni> 	<hylje>	command n conquer <-- yeah, that's what I do in this channel
21:49:55  <Turulo> yes yhen i shold be, lol
21:50:57  <AlexFili> so anyway
21:51:04  <Turulo> Bjarni: do you remember if sacro was the one trying to make the ds port?
21:51:04  <AlexFili> how hard was it to port ttd to the psp?
21:51:09  <AlexFili> and who started the idea anyway?
21:51:09  <hylje> Bjarni: :-)
21:51:19  <AlexFili> how do i add someone to notify?
21:51:27  <AlexFili> oh
21:51:28  <AlexFili> never mind
21:51:28  <Turulo> not really hard, just some coffe cups
21:51:29  <Turulo> lol
21:51:30  <AlexFili> i just did it
21:51:54  <AlexFili> like i said, i have a DS and a custom cart, so i can do whatever beta testing is needed
21:52:00  <Bjarni> oh the first time I tried C&C in MP, I lost big time, but I did manage to get nukes, so when I realised that I had lost, I just nuked some spot in the black area where I presumed that the enemy base had to be
21:52:00  <AlexFili> just tell him that if u see him ;)
21:52:05  <Bjarni> and then I heard a scream
21:52:22  <Bjarni> I hit the construction yard and his only two heavy factories
21:52:25  <Turulo> ok, i will
21:52:30  <AlexFili> thanks ;)
21:52:36  <AlexFili> playing TTD on my DS would be sooooooo awesome
21:52:39  <AlexFili> :D
21:52:49  <hylje> bjarni, lucker :-)
21:53:12  <Bjarni> hehe
21:53:14  <Turulo> yes, playing openttd lying at bed is the best, lol
21:53:16  <Bjarni> I lost anyway
21:53:18  <AlexFili> besides, using the touch screen to drag section of rail would be so much better then whatever psp is using
21:53:27  <AlexFili> X+holdX+move+letgoofX?
21:53:37  <Eddi|zuHause> [07.03. 22:55] <Turulo> yes, playing openttd lying at bed is the best, lol <- i do that all the time ;)
21:53:51  <AlexFili> lol that would be awesome
21:53:55  <Bjarni> <Turulo>	Bjarni: do you remember if sacro was the one trying to make the ds port? <-- no, but somehow I don't think it was him
21:54:02  <AlexFili> Bjarni :o
21:54:10  <Eddi|zuHause> only with my 21" monitor standing across the room ;)
21:54:37  <Turulo> lol, i thougt you was using a notebook
21:54:41  <AlexFili> Turulo are you jaime?
21:54:44  <Turulo> yes
21:54:57  <AlexFili> so, what part do you play in ottd psp?
21:55:11  <AlexFili> omg, wireless internet for ttd ds :o
21:55:18  <Turulo> just using the fabulous work of this guys
21:55:23  <Turulo> and adapting it for psp
21:55:28  <AlexFili> oh ok
21:55:31  <Turulo> mainly controls, wireless and some gui hacks
21:55:57  <AlexFili> Turulo, the ds firmware shouldnt be a problem, because i can run .nds files from my custom cart
21:56:11  <AlexFili> as long as the .nds file is ok, then theres no reason why it shouldnt execute
21:56:19  <AlexFili> so thats one barrier overcome :p
21:56:28  <Bjarni> what about keyboard?
21:56:28  <Turulo> yes i know there is scene for ds, well execution is far than playable
21:56:36  <AlexFili> yeah
21:56:37  <AlexFili> i see
21:56:56  <CIA-5> belugas * r3781 /branch/tfc_newmap/ (29 files in 3 dirs): [tfc_newmap] -Synch up to trunk r3778. MSV6 files will be wrong. Need to be fixed, but not now
21:56:58  <Turulo> from the firt time i got ttd executed to now...
21:57:10  <AlexFili> how long did it take you to get psp ttd done#?
21:57:11  <Turulo> first time executed but no controls available
21:57:12  <Turulo> lol
21:57:22  <Bjarni> now I have not read what you have written a moment ago, but I guess you are talking about porting OTTD to DreamCast, right?
21:57:27  <Turulo> that depend on how much spare time i have
21:57:28  <SpComb> ooh
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21:57:37  <SpComb> why not port it to your local microwave?
21:57:44  <Turulo> Bjarni AlexFili wants the port for nintendo DS
21:57:46  <AlexFili> isnt dreamcast a dead console? no offence
21:57:48  <hylje> toaster
21:57:50  <AlexFili> Bjarni yeah i do
21:58:03  <Turulo> Anyway i think the dreamcast port is already done
21:58:13  <Bjarni> <AlexFili>	isnt dreamcast a dead console? no offence <--- I have no idea. I don't want to own a console :p
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21:58:17  <Turulo> and it isnt still dead, there is a big community still coding for it
21:58:58  <Turulo> Bjarni since i found that using consoles was the only way to totally remove any m$ box from my house
21:59:00  <SpComb>
21:59:03  <Bjarni> hmm
21:59:06  <SpComb> toaster.
21:59:09  <Turulo> consoles are quite good for me
21:59:12  <SpComb> with toast in it
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21:59:21  <Bjarni> actually I have no idea what a nintendo DS is (besides being some sort of game console)
21:59:22  <AlexFili> Turulo i like consoles too
21:59:32  <SpComb> get OpenTTD to use AALib before you do anything else
21:59:37  <AlexFili> Bjarni its a games console with a touch screen and another screen as well
21:59:46  <Bjarni> nice
21:59:47  <Turulo> latest nintendo handled
21:59:52  <AlexFili> much better then a certain other handheld
21:59:53  <Bjarni> OTTD with touch screen :)
21:59:58  <AlexFili> yeah Bjarni i know :D
22:00:01  <AlexFili> and wireless internet :D
22:00:05  <Bjarni> did somebody port SDL to it?
22:00:09  <Turulo> yes
22:00:27  <Turulo> is already done, the guy trying to port it into ds told me
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22:00:34  <Turulo> that sdl was already ported
22:00:42  <AlexFili> what does that mena?
22:00:43  <AlexFili> *mean?
22:00:51  <Turulo> the graphics library used
22:00:54  <AlexFili> oh
22:00:57  <AlexFili> so thats one step right?
22:00:58  <Turulo> already exists on ds
22:01:06  <Turulo> should graphics wouldnt be a problem
22:01:12  <AlexFili> :)
22:01:14  <Bjarni> graphics+sound+controls
22:01:14  <AlexFili> great
22:01:20  <Bjarni> supporting makes porting much easier
22:01:24  <AlexFili> :D
22:01:27  <Turulo> well controls need to be redone on consoles
22:01:38  <Turulo> as sdl uses expects keyboard input
22:01:39  <AlexFili> the mouseclick isnt that different from the DS pointer
22:01:53  <Turulo> and i just got sfx working
22:01:59  <AlexFili> for ds? :o
22:02:01  <AlexFili> or psp?
22:02:13  <Turulo> Bjarni does background music work over sdl?
22:02:15  <SpComb> port openttd to commodore 64?
22:02:20  <SpComb> with network play
22:02:22  <Turulo> on psp just sfx works
22:02:28  <BFM> Sega game gear!
22:02:28  <AlexFili> oh, no music? :S
22:02:37  <Turulo> nope still...
22:02:42  <AlexFili> ah shame
22:02:48  <Turulo> Spoco go and port your toasts
22:02:48  <AlexFili> the music is one of the best bits ;)
22:02:48  <Turulo> lol
22:03:00  <Bjarni> Turulo: err... I'm not sure. I don't think the SDL midi patch ever got committed
22:03:10  <AlexFili> well
22:03:16  <Bjarni> I think it was buggy or sounded wrong or something like that
22:03:17  <AlexFili> no-music is a sacrifice i can make :p
22:03:17  <Turulo> i tried it, but couldnt get it working..
22:03:33  <AlexFili> no-music ttd is better then no-ttd right? :p
22:03:41  <Bjarni> hmm
22:03:43  <Bjarni> tough one
22:03:44  <Turulo> sure
22:03:50  <AlexFili> oh yeah
22:03:53  <AlexFili> for keyboard input
22:03:58  <AlexFili> you could have a little keyboard thingy with all the keys
22:04:01  <Turulo> if i have some more spare time i could try to implement a sound driver for psp
22:04:02  <AlexFili> and you could press it :p
22:04:04  <Bjarni> from 0.1.4 to 0.3.x, the mac port had no midi support
22:04:16  <Bjarni> and it was not until 0.4.5, that it ran like it should
22:04:34  <AlexFili>
22:04:36  <Turulo> yes i saw you made native drivers for sound and video
22:04:41  <AlexFili> like the bottom screen of this
22:05:01  <AlexFili> but then, you dont really have to do much renaming do you?
22:05:38  <Turulo> not just implement a gui keyboard for text inputs
22:05:40  <Bjarni> Turulo: actually I didn't code the drivers myself, but talked to the guys, who coded them and modified them into a commitable result :)
22:05:53  <Bjarni> I'm not a music/video guru :(
22:05:55  <Turulo> its pending to be done on psp, anyone could reuse it for nds
22:06:27  <Turulo> ok i tought was done by your self
22:06:30  <MeusH> goodnight everybody
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22:06:35  <Turulo> byes
22:06:40  <Turulo> as far as i saw
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22:07:00  <Turulo> on psp raw and midi sound is relative easy to implement
22:07:15  <Turulo> the pain is integrating with ottd driver meets
22:07:21  <AlexFili> :s
22:07:55  <Turulo> im going to have dinner
22:07:59  <AlexFili> ok
22:08:15  <AlexFili> so, how long did it take to make the psp version anyway?
22:08:26  <Turulo> just take a look to version release...
22:08:28  <Turulo> wait
22:08:50  <AlexFili> earliest i see is 7th feb
22:09:12  <Turulo> ums...
22:09:16  <Turulo> i dont remember wait..
22:09:45  <AlexFili> i see what you meant about the psp gui
22:09:50  <AlexFili> the icons are bunched together :S
22:09:58  <AlexFili> maybe you could put those on 2 lines for the ds? or something :p
22:09:59  <Turulo> - Thu Jan 26 2006
22:09:59  <Turulo>    * First public release
22:10:09  <AlexFili> so
22:10:11  <AlexFili> not too long ago really
22:10:14  <AlexFili> 1.5 months?
22:10:21  <Turulo> yeps
22:10:30  <AlexFili> and ds firmware should be easier
22:10:40  <AlexFili> so, 0.5-1.5 months for a ds beta?
22:10:41  <Turulo> the hole shit
22:10:54  <Turulo> is geting familiar with openttd code
22:11:09  <Turulo> writing code for any console isnt really hard
22:11:44  <Turulo> well going to have dinner
22:11:47  <AlexFili> ok
22:11:51  <AlexFili> have a nice meal :p
22:11:53  <Turulo> will be back later
22:11:57  <AlexFili> thanks for everything
22:12:00  <AlexFili> im not going be here long
22:12:04  <AlexFili> 10-30 mins at most
22:12:10  <Turulo> never mind
22:12:29  <AlexFili> you're not having dinner? :o
22:12:31  <Turulo> ok, i will tell the one trying to do ds port that you can test it
22:12:39  <AlexFili> :D
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22:12:41  <AlexFili> thanks dude
22:12:42  <AlexFili> i'd love to
22:12:57  <Turulo> dont worry
22:12:59  <Turulo> see you
22:13:05  <AlexFili> cya
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22:18:14  <AlexFili> hey Bjarni, MiHaMiX, you still there?
22:24:53  <AlexFili> oh well
22:24:54  <AlexFili> night all
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22:33:17  * Vornicus wanders through the makefile looking to figure out how it does that voodoo that it does, finds this gem.
22:33:18  <Vornicus> love:
22:33:19  <Vornicus> 	@echo "YES! I thought you would never ask. We will have a great time. You can keep me turned on all night"
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23:29:34  <Bjarni> Vornicus: yeah, it's a nice one, right
23:29:45  <Bjarni> I wrote it long ago. Now I forgot why :p
23:29:55  <Bjarni> most likely just to make fun
23:29:58  <glx> it's yours?
23:30:01  <Bjarni> yeah
23:30:24  <Bjarni> ahh, now I remember
23:30:26  <Eddi|zuHause> shows how sick-minded programmers are ;)
23:30:35  <Bjarni> somebody complained that we lacked easter eggs
23:30:48  <Bjarni> so I made a quick one
23:31:27  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: and it have nothing to do with having a sick mind
23:31:44  <Bjarni> I only fulfilled a "feature" request
23:32:06  <glx> :)
23:32:19  <Eddi|zuHause> that wasn't meant to be insulting at all ;)
23:32:31  <Bjarni> here is the funny part: due to the nature of easter eggs, I didn't tell anybody
23:32:43  <Bjarni> so it took a few months for anybody to notice
23:34:27  * Vornicus tries to figure out how to convince make to put together a bundle.
23:34:49  <Bjarni> for OSX?
23:35:10  <Vornicus> yeah
23:35:21  <Bjarni> read os/macosx/Makefile
23:35:25  <Bjarni> bundle:
23:35:38  <Vornicus> I'm building a Mac release for my friend's game Sable, and want to get the makefile to do the bundling for me.
23:35:40  <Bjarni> it's pretty simple once you have figured it out
23:36:45  <Vornicus> awesome, thank you!
23:36:56  <Bjarni> before the bundle target, it also contains some code to make universal binaries in that file
23:37:18  <Vornicus> ooh that would be a good idea too.
23:37:43  <Bjarni> though that's a bit more complicated. YOu need to compile those info with the setup in os/macosx/Makefile.setup
23:38:17  <Bjarni> and of cause the source should be written in a way so it works for both endianess
23:40:03  <Bjarni> you can figure it out combined with the info on
23:40:16  <Vornicus> right
23:40:27  <Bjarni> else I will be able to talk about it later
23:40:34  <Bjarni> goodnight
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23:40:45  <Vornicus> The original of his game is on win32, and I can build and run fine on my mac, so.
23:40:58  <Bjarni> sounds interesting :)
23:41:21  <Bjarni> I might take a look later, but it's really late here and I'm sleepy
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23:50:26  <Diablo-D3> <ChevyCXVII> I just downloaded WinRARInstaller.rar, I'd like to know what moron put that one together.
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23:52:15  <Eddi|zuHause> hehe, funny ;)
23:52:19  <tank> nice one:)
23:52:51  <Prof_Frink> Diablo-D3: easy, open it with the crowbar you'll find inside.
23:53:06  <Prof_Frink> (or with 7zip)
23:53:18  <Prof_Frink> (but that would be cheating)
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