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00:02:12 *** iridium is now known as iridium`nh 00:04:18 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@host81-156-249-254.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:05:22 *** MagicJohn [n=magical@host81-156-149-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:16:24 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 00:16:34 <black_Nightmare> I got an advanced signalling question if anyone could help...... 00:17:19 <black_Nightmare> if say you have two 3-platforms station that have their own wye pre-signalling .... how would you join the two mainlines into one? (like a Y split before both wyes) 00:17:31 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.29.219] has joined #openttd 00:17:40 <RichK> ask me your questions, black_Nightmare, I am not afraid.... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... (monty python) 00:18:40 <black_Nightmare> richk..my question is already stated :p 00:18:58 <RichK> hmm.... not sure i understand the question without a piccy... 00:19:11 <RichK> yeah, you typed faster than i did 00:19:46 <black_Nightmare> one second.... 00:27:07 <black_Nightmare> ok put up for a while now: http://web.ncf.ca/fg438/needhelp_heh.PNG (dumb quick work of that drawing heh) 00:27:18 <black_Nightmare> dark grey = station platforms .. anyway 00:28:38 <RichK> surprisingly... any signal you like 00:28:45 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC8DCE9.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:29:20 <RichK> this is on exit to mainline? 00:29:28 <black_Nightmare> enterance to station actually 00:29:38 <black_Nightmare> I didn't bother drawing the exit which would had been left of the platform 00:30:31 <RichK> oh, sorry, in that case you need a yellow horizontal bar. ensure the blue sigs are two direction sigs 00:30:37 <black_Nightmare> there's too much traffic holdup when several trains try to use one single track to the multi-platforms station so hence I want see if I could do something like what I drew up 00:31:04 <black_Nightmare> ok let me try rebuild it quickly and see what happens...brb & ty 00:31:57 <RichK> your blue ones need to be combo sigs (3ctrl clicks)- they are both the exit to the first sector, and the entrance to the next 00:35:26 <black_Nightmare> ty got the hang of this now 00:36:27 <RichK> yeah, you can do some real clever signalling systems with careful pre- and combo- usage 00:36:37 <black_Nightmare> when all red is full behind one blue that turns red and trains go to other blue signal instead 00:36:44 <black_Nightmare> I like this :-> 00:37:11 <black_Nightmare> now just need to rebuild the tracks a bit better and finally I wouldn't have the 'multiply trains waiting on one single track' gridlock :-> 00:37:37 <RichK> yup, in a coop game, we had a 16 platform station taking over 60 trains/month with no waiting - platform usage was at least 14 all the time 00:39:42 <black_Nightmare> 8 platforms connected now (3+5 split) ... 3 to connect yet ... when I set up the enterances properly this time .. should be interesting to have a smooth 5+6 split ;) 00:39:50 <black_Nightmare> <<is already in a coop game with some nice people heh 00:40:38 <RichK> coop is good :) 00:46:46 <black_Nightmare> one moment....making a screenshot just for comments mainly 00:48:14 <SimonRC> Is there a sensible junction to join a pair of crossin 2-way lines together? 00:48:40 <SimonRC> I managed to invent one that looks like a kind of whirlpool, but it's huge1 00:49:48 <RichK> two styles - cloverleaf (big loops back like on motorways), or a hub. hub is more efficient, but takes acres, and is hard to make/easy to mess up 00:50:11 <RichK> cloverleaf also can cause headaches for pathfinder 00:51:00 <black_Nightmare> ok.... 210.59KB screenshot up for now: http://web.ncf.ca/fg438/my_attempt_so_far.PNG and yeah I know about the cattle train taking a tiny curve but lets not complain. (and pls leave the exit track alone..I'm still not done trying to bash it for something better yet so meh) 00:51:02 <SimonRC> Don't you get probems with cloverleaf if 4 trains try to turn in the cross-direction? 00:51:18 <black_Nightmare> not sure if I'm getting it right yet but I'm actually willing to try 00:51:43 * black_Nightmare blew quite some money on building new farms if you was wondering 00:52:53 <SimonRC> ah 00:53:18 <SimonRC> you need to learn the signal names: pre-signal, exit signal, and combo signal. 00:53:20 <black_Nightmare> simonrc..funny is I have 3 more farms on existing stations now 00:53:33 <SimonRC> you appear to have obliterated a town, too 00:53:35 <black_Nightmare> simonrc....I'm already trying to learn lol 00:53:44 <black_Nightmare> simonrc..yeah it was in the way of the mainline enterance so meh 00:53:51 <black_Nightmare> had 2 other players help bulldoze things LOL 00:54:08 <black_Nightmare> going remove all my signs when I'm sure I can finish my mass signalling 00:54:17 <Tobin> black_Nightmare: I just looked at your screenshot; you really should call those signal types by their names not the number of clicks. 00:54:18 <SimonRC> how do you get the mini-finances window? 00:54:43 <black_Nightmare> tobin..heh sorry..was lazy so did it quickly 00:54:55 <black_Nightmare> simonrc..click the button second from right in the title 00:54:59 <SimonRC> are to two ways out the same? 00:55:08 <SimonRC> ah, of course 00:55:10 <Tobin> SimonRC: It's one of the buttons in the top corners of the finance window. 00:55:25 <Tobin> Top right, I think. 00:55:43 <Tobin> Heh, what black_Nightmare said. 00:56:22 <Tobin> Oh, PBS how do I miss thee? 00:56:28 <black_Nightmare> well anyway...I'm not so sure my signalling is finished...trains seem to be lining up a bit now for the first signal...hmmm...guess I need to try some more 00:56:41 <SimonRC> Anyway, looks like textbook station design to me, except you might want to give each platform an exit area big enough to hold one train. 00:57:19 <SimonRC> maybe you could make it so that ther is no one place that all trains have to go thorough. 00:58:10 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-20.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 00:58:33 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.29.219] has quit ["Going out of town for a couple days, back on Thursday [Time wasted online: 41mins 13secs]"] 00:58:36 <SimonRC> I would make a second track where Oost Kaatstag used to be. 00:59:18 <SimonRC> no, wait, actually I wouldn't try to take everything to one factory. 00:59:20 <SimonRC> :-) 00:59:42 <SimonRC> BTW, does revenue go up proportional to distance travelled? 01:00:01 <Tobin> Distance between stations. 01:00:09 *** glx|away [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:11 <Tobin> I.e. the games doesn't now how many squares goods were moved through just the direct distance between start and destination. 01:03:17 <Vornicus> I have one game on a 64x128 map where all three of my goods production places are served by one very excessively busy station. 01:03:51 <SimonRC> "The well-known cloverleaf type of junction is a very good example for a bad junction design." <-- I thought so. 01:04:18 <Vornicus> It's better than the other kinds. 01:04:27 <Vornicus> The only problem with cloverleaf is merges before branches. 01:04:33 <Vornicus> Which can cause traffic jams. 01:05:54 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:06:04 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:06:12 *** glx|away is now known as glx 01:09:07 <black_Nightmare> ughh hmm I'm thinking...maybe I should reverse this factory station 01:09:15 <black_Nightmare> enterance track needs more space than the exit heh 01:09:40 <black_Nightmare> we'll see after I fix the exit tracks 01:14:43 <SimonRC> I can't find my desigh aroun anywhere 01:15:04 <SimonRC> I think it is because it is not useful on most peoples' layouts. 01:15:43 <SimonRC> I have found junctions are much easier to build if the tow line that join are at different levels. 01:16:30 <SimonRC> It gives you something to aim for: a minimal junctions, where the trains only ever have to make to minimal theoretical height change. 01:17:24 <SimonRC> Vornicus: no, merges before branches almost certainly *will* cause traffic jams. 01:24:18 <RichK> cya guys 01:24:20 *** RichK [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 01:25:48 <black_Nightmare> ughhh...that was quite some work and (ouch) 2 train crashes .... 01:26:02 <black_Nightmare> fixed up the exit (removed the bridging line anyhow..wasn't really needing that) 01:28:45 <black_Nightmare> oh and did a little more work on the enterance 01:28:49 <black_Nightmare> now its just perfect to me :-) 01:29:00 <black_Nightmare> train keep going left n right n left...barely even stopping anymore 01:29:05 <black_Nightmare> :-D 01:29:41 <black_Nightmare> oh and the exit track... 01:30:10 <black_Nightmare> I reshaped it like a yard ... shortest part is near the factory but its long enough to hold one train 01:30:20 <black_Nightmare> longest is the bottommost platform of course (can hold 2 trains there if needed heh) 01:30:24 <black_Nightmare> :-) 01:32:26 <SimonRC> let's see 01:33:55 <black_Nightmare> straight from the game now since I don't need to label/whatever at all :p >> http://web.ncf.ca/fg438/finished_finally.PNG 01:34:05 <black_Nightmare> *I* think I am finished with it hence the filename hehe ;) 01:34:33 <black_Nightmare> there's two main exit lanes then they join later on too...figures 01:35:02 <black_Nightmare> and to think this was a starting-to-clog-up 5-platform station at first lol...meh how far I came 01:35:08 <black_Nightmare> lot of space for more new trains in case too 01:35:53 <SimonRC> yeah 01:36:22 <black_Nightmare> 'maarten' is also the server owner of this map anyhow so hence these label signs in yellow :-> 01:37:04 <SimonRC> BTW, does revenue go up proportional to distance travelled? 01:37:47 <black_Nightmare> simonrc....after what I know of serving a farm like 20 tiles far away on my own little map compared to the really-long-distance hauled farm trains on this coop map... I would say *yes* 01:38:00 <black_Nightmare> not sure but thats what I think 01:40:05 <black_Nightmare> anyone else want look at that finished_finally.png or no? 01:40:08 <black_Nightmare> :-) 01:40:27 <SimonRC> looks good to me 01:54:59 <Vornicus> ...piss and biscuits. 01:55:30 <Vornicus> Revenue increases proportional to the Manhattan distance between the stations in question. 01:55:51 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-92.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:56:01 <Vornicus> ...that's the most evil set of exit stuff I've ever seen 01:56:36 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-92.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 01:57:07 <Vornicus> And from the looks of things, I'm not sure it's warranted. 01:59:20 *** iridium` [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-92.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 01:59:20 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-92.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:59:36 *** iridium` is now known as iridium`nh 02:00:30 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:02:36 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-92.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:03:08 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 02:07:11 <black_Nightmare> if a bribing fails..does that mean any stations near that town wouldn't give any loads? 02:09:55 <SimonRC> I assume that ratings drop to 0. 02:10:08 <SimonRC> What does the rating mean numerically anyway? 02:11:23 <Vornicus> station cargo rating dictates what percentage of nearby production gets sent to that station. 02:11:28 <SimonRC> ah, ok 02:11:50 <SimonRC> Is there a way to see the capture radius once a station is built> 02:12:11 <Vornicus> Not that I'm aware of. 02:14:16 <black_Nightmare> ugh passenger train between two towns and still *zero* load even at the stations 02:14:27 <black_Nightmare> weird....guess I'll wait for the server owner to come back in a while 02:15:49 <Vornicus> Bribing towns will sometimes make them not let you operate fully in their town. 02:16:06 <black_Nightmare> permamently? 02:17:01 <Vornicus> sometimes. 02:17:21 <Vornicus> Another reason to stay away from them. Other methods are more cost effective and less risky. 02:17:26 <black_Nightmare> guess I'll just rip up everything then 02:22:16 <black_Nightmare> found a different coal mine heh..guess not all was lost 02:22:23 <black_Nightmare> 594 tonnes :-P 02:27:50 <SimonRC> ! 02:27:55 <black_Nightmare> ? 02:28:00 <SimonRC> I thought they rarely went above 200 02:28:30 <black_Nightmare> found out otherwise I'm guessing? 02:29:26 <SimonRC> I thought coal mines rarely went above 200 tones/month. 02:30:26 <black_Nightmare> ohh heh 02:30:37 <black_Nightmare> well this one looks quite larger than the normal coal mine 02:30:53 <black_Nightmare> looks like 2 shafts instead of just one 02:32:42 <SimonRC> size doesn;t matter 02:34:03 <black_Nightmare> hmm..that reminds me... 02:34:16 <black_Nightmare> what happens if I save a coop map then open it myself? 02:34:54 <Vornicus> dunno. I didn't know you could save coop maps. 02:36:31 <black_Nightmare> hmm.....guess I'll try save and see what happens in the morning 02:47:50 <black_Nightmare> well bye now ;) 02:47:53 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 03:09:10 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 03:13:19 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 03:14:23 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:14:25 * SimonRC goes 03:19:03 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:19:59 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:20:09 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:21:10 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:21:16 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:21:42 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:22:14 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:23:09 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:24:11 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:24:35 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:56:27 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 04:15:50 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2E239.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:16:36 *** Tobin_ [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:27:36 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:31:59 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2DA6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:31:59 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 04:32:09 *** Tobin_ is now known as Tobin 04:48:18 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:01:36 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:04:29 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:27:36 <peter1138> 22:53 <@Bjarni> I just got spammed with lang warnings :( 05:27:44 <peter1138> oh, he's not here 05:31:55 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:40:26 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:44:15 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: will the webtranslator remove strings no longer used? 05:45:08 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 06:21:37 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:33:17 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 06:41:01 <Celestar> morning 06:41:20 <Celestar> did Tron mention where he went? :O 06:41:52 <peter1138> morningitis 06:42:35 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 06:43:45 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: yes, it will. 06:45:01 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:54:29 *** Xeryus|Bed is now known as XeryusTC 07:24:00 <Celestar> bah I wish I understood inkscape 07:44:00 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 07:44:54 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 07:44:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 07:44:59 <Celestar> :) 07:45:01 <DarkSSH> goddammit, missed out a whole day 07:45:03 <Celestar> welcome back ;) 07:45:35 <DarkSSH> ok and now I'm off :P 07:46:22 <MiHaMiX> :) 07:48:46 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:57:22 <Fujitsu> Celestar, I take it elrails is basically finished? 07:58:28 *** Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Gussoh 07:58:28 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-195-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:06:04 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.85] has joined #openttd 08:09:43 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 08:13:20 *** vra1 [n=vrak@host-81-191-171-149.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 08:13:22 *** vra1 [n=vrak@host-81-191-171-149.bluecom.no] has left #openttd [] 08:34:22 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:22 *** e1ko is now known as e1ko_AfK 08:36:00 <Celestar> Fujitsu: yes, it is. 08:36:04 <CIA-5> celestar * r4138 /branch/elrail/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 08:36:04 <CIA-5> [elrail] 08:36:04 <CIA-5> Added electrified rail to the landscape documentation 08:36:04 <CIA-5> Added two pngs to illustrate the position and types of Pylon {Control,Position} Points 08:36:04 <CIA-5> Added the XML source (open with inkscape or another svg compatible graphics program) 08:36:05 <CIA-5> Modified the elrail doxymentation to include above bitmaps in the documentation 08:36:07 <Celestar> I'm waiting for Tron's concensus to merge. 08:37:11 <Fujitsu> Celestar, I hope the sparks don't show on an electric loco when it is part of a multihead consist on non-electrified track... 08:37:44 <Celestar> Fujitsu: I'm not sure, but I didn't take care about such minor eye candies. they can be fixed in trunk 08:37:52 <Fujitsu> Goodo. 08:37:55 <Fujitsu> Just, it would look a bit silly. 08:38:08 <Celestar> slightly :) 08:39:21 <Celestar> is anyone remotely familiar with the elrail code? 08:39:23 <Celestar> peter1138: ? 08:51:40 *** bp0 is now known as bp0|away 08:54:08 <peter1138> hello 08:55:36 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|School 08:56:33 <Fujitsu> I've taken a little look over it... 08:56:36 <Fujitsu> But very little :( 08:56:55 <Celestar> can you check out the latest trunk, generate the documentation and check of you understand the graphics? 08:57:25 <Fujitsu> What do you think I am!? Why wouldn't I already have the latest trunk!? :P 08:57:43 <Celestar> well, I just commited like 5 minutes ago ;P 08:57:57 <Fujitsu> 20 minutes, but still. 08:58:55 <Fujitsu> True. 08:59:00 <Fujitsu> I was one revision behind :( 08:59:16 * Fujitsu doxygens 09:04:29 <Celestar> lol :;) 09:06:08 <Fujitsu> Staking a while to generate... 09:22:39 <Fujitsu> WHere are the graphics? 09:22:41 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-233-197.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:22:41 <Fujitsu> (it just finished( 09:22:45 <Sacro> morning all 09:22:53 <Fujitsu> Morning Sacro. 09:23:17 <Sacro> hmm, tis early for me 09:23:40 <Fujitsu> Well, evening. 09:25:06 <Celestar> Fujitsu: elrail.c documentation 09:25:08 <Sacro> depends where your sitting 09:25:15 <Fujitsu> Ahh. OK. 09:25:17 <Fujitsu> Of course. 09:26:33 <Celestar> elapsed time: 1min, tile remaining: 29min, completion: 87.6% 09:26:44 <Celestar> some people have problems using percentages it seems .. 09:27:56 <Fujitsu> They are good. 09:27:56 <Sacro> Celestar: please dont make it sit at 100% for 2 minutes, that drives me insane 09:28:17 <Fujitsu> The diagrams are explanatory. 09:28:45 <Celestar> Fujitsu: good. then I'll leave them that way 09:28:55 <Fujitsu> They're nice. 09:29:59 <Celestar> ok I have 12 mails in the past 5 minutes about 1) people unable to contact the license server, 2) people unable to contact the web, 3) people unable to contact the mail server. I can contact 1) the license server, 2) the web server, 3) the mail server. Someone must be doing something wrongo. 09:31:27 <Fujitsu> License server? 09:31:47 * Fujitsu 's respect for Celestar drops at the sight of him possibly maintaining a license server. 09:31:49 <Celestar> a FLEXlm server for commercial software. 09:31:54 <Celestar> all 12 people are windows users. 09:32:00 <Fujitsu> Urgh. 09:32:04 <Fujitsu> FLEXlm. 09:32:20 <Celestar> all 12 people have written arbitrary IPs into the "Primary DNS Server" field of the network panel. 09:32:25 <Celestar> and now they wonder why it doesn't work. 09:32:32 <Celestar> the DNS server is DOWN. 09:32:41 <Celestar> FLEXlm is rather horrible software. 09:33:15 <Celestar> yes we need it :S 09:33:21 <Celestar> Fluent + CFX 09:34:08 * Fujitsu pities Celestar for having to work with Windows machines. 09:34:45 <Celestar> well I love working with them ... 09:34:51 <Celestar> ... exterminating them one-by-one. 09:35:45 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B829C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:36:01 <Fujitsu> Good. 09:36:06 * Fujitsu helps Celestar. 09:39:07 <Celestar> talking about which .. I have yet to sabotage a windows computer today :P 09:40:28 * Fujitsu chastises Celestar. 09:41:00 <Celestar> you WHAT=? ;)( 09:43:44 <peter1138> hmm 09:46:07 <Celestar> The easiest way to sabotage a windows computer: SWITCH IT ON! 09:46:18 * Sacro sighs 09:46:29 <Sacro> yet again #openttd appears on qdb.us/queue 09:46:37 <Celestar> ^^ 09:46:51 <Celestar> hmpf ... 09:46:54 <Celestar> TRRRROOOOONNN 09:47:57 <Fujitsu> Where? 09:48:23 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:48:35 <Sacro> hasnt tron been back yet? 09:48:35 <Fujitsu> Aha 09:49:17 <Celestar> seems not. 09:49:28 <Celestar> well I'm waiting for patch-proofreading 09:49:40 <Celestar> 1500 lines worth of i 09:49:48 <Fujitsu> Not too bad. 09:50:32 <Celestar> we still have lots of \.m[1-5] stuff to kill 09:51:04 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@CPE-60-225-54-52.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:52:31 <Sacro> which patch? 09:52:43 <Celestar> see above 09:53:00 <Celestar> stuff to move all map accesses into foo_map.[ch] files 09:54:13 <Celestar> and to get rid of ModifyTile 09:54:30 <Sacro> oh right 09:56:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B734D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:37 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 10:11:00 <Sacro> any OSX users here? how do u install a .dmg file? 10:12:36 <Celestar> ok is it me, or is there a bug in town_cmd.c:173 ? 10:12:49 <Celestar> oh no .. it's just coded weirdly 10:13:23 <Sacro> lol, doesnt surprise me 10:18:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B77AC6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:32:59 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176102023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:39:48 <Celestar> er guys. 10:39:58 <Celestar> is it me or are there no working lifts in the current trunk? 10:42:04 <Celestar> no, there aren't 10:43:06 <peter1138> wasn't me 10:43:49 <Sacro> lifts? 10:43:51 <Rubidium> they should work; nothing has changed to that code since rev. 3445 and I know they worked properly back then 10:44:05 <Celestar> that's the theory 10:44:29 <Celestar> fact is, that town_cmd.c:299 is never hit. 10:44:33 <Celestar> at least not for a new game. 10:45:52 <Celestar> can anyone confirm ? latest trunk? 10:47:00 <ThePizzaKing> you mean lifts in buildings? 10:47:03 <Celestar> yes 10:47:46 <ThePizzaKing> they're working on the title screen 10:47:55 <Celestar> yes. 10:48:00 <Celestar> its an old savegame. 10:48:02 <Celestar> try a new one. 10:48:22 <Rubidium> only the following building can have a lift (narrows the search): http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a153/DylanFarrow/greyflats.png 10:49:01 <Celestar> hm... 10:49:17 <Sacro> anyone know any cheap webcams that are OSX compatible? 10:49:53 <Celestar> oh they do work 10:49:59 <Celestar> I looked for the wrong building type :S 10:50:33 <Celestar> there is another that looks like having a lift :S 10:52:58 <peter1138> heh 10:53:20 <El-POdiUM> ARe you guys stil developing OpenTTD? 10:54:35 <Fujitsu> A number of people are, El-POdiUM! 10:54:43 <El-POdiUM> great 10:57:59 <Tobin> Sacro: I seem to remember a third party driver that supported a number of USB webcams under OS X. 11:00:00 <Tobin> Sacro: According to System Profiler.app the webcam built into the new iMacs is made by a company called Micron you could try to find another company that uses the same device (there must be an external version available from someone since it's hooked to the internal USB bus on my machine). 11:05:07 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:07:48 <Sacro> Tobin: ive found a logitech one, but its £100 11:08:59 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 11:14:10 <El-POdiUM> Aplle ISight costs a fortune 11:14:15 <El-POdiUM> try ebay Sacro 11:17:58 <Sacro> it aint for me 11:19:55 *** johnny83 [n=chatzill@P5fd4.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:57 <El-POdiUM> ok 11:21:23 *** johnny83 [n=chatzill@P5fd4.p.pppool.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:22:12 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 11:23:25 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 11:24:58 <Sacro> i got a linux related problem :( 11:26:48 <Sacro> i cant login to my pc due to conflicting IPs :( 11:27:01 <Sacro> and i cant connect a monitor due to lack of power lead 11:27:25 * Sacro considers trying to login blind and change the ip... 11:27:47 <Rubidium> so it isn't a linux related problem :) 11:28:27 <Sacro> windows would spot the problem and change IP 11:29:01 <Rubidium> to something in the 69.somewhat range I guess 11:29:34 <Sacro> lets rewire 11:29:36 <Rubidium> so if it happens behind a router, you would also not be able to login 11:30:03 <Rubidium> you should've used a correctly configured DHCP 11:30:07 <Fujitsu> Yes. 11:31:14 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:51 <Sacro> in my flat its the gateway - ie .0.1 11:35:57 <Sacro> however at my mums, its not 11:36:42 <Rubidium> that doesn't matter if you use DHCP at both places 11:36:43 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn diff | wc -l 11:36:44 <Celestar> 1401 11:37:11 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow to annoy you then :)"] 11:37:39 <Fujitsu> Nice. 11:37:43 <El-POdiUM> anyone got a pic of Electric Rails? url? 11:38:39 <peter1138> on the forum 11:40:27 <El-POdiUM> ok 11:43:21 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye all."] 11:44:31 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:51 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:50:06 <Celestar> m2 = GB(_m[ti->tile].m4, 4, 3); <= great variable name .. 12:02:05 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 12:02:42 <peter1138> :) 12:03:21 <peter1138> should be groundtype 12:04:20 *** Pixelz [i=pix@pix.pp.se] has left #openttd [] 12:13:58 <Tobin> Sacro: You asked about .dmg files earlier, I take it you worked it out? 12:14:43 <El-POdiUM> This may be a stupid questin, but how do i create a dedicated server? 12:15:35 <peter1138> -D 12:21:09 * Celestar is demysitfiying road_cmd.c 12:21:10 <Sacro> Tobin: yeah, FAQ told me 12:22:12 <Sacro> grrr, i hate WMP 12:22:33 <Sacro> though putty is useful 12:25:06 <Sacro> cant you just do s/m2/something else? 12:25:47 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:26:04 <Celestar> ? 12:26:37 <peter1138> heh 12:26:41 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/rgt.diff 12:26:45 <Tobin> Sacro: Goodoh. I take it you haven't been using a Mac much before today? 12:26:55 <Sacro> Tobin: ive never used a mac 12:27:11 <Sacro> well, not for about 11 yers 12:27:29 <Sacro> 1994 i last used a mac i think 12:27:33 <Tobin> Sacro: Then why the question about disk images? 12:27:46 <Tobin> Heh, things have changed in the last 11 years. 12:28:17 <El-POdiUM> Is OpenTTD going to get an autoupdater? 12:28:18 <Celestar> peter1138: that's 50% of what I've done now :P 12:28:26 <peter1138> oh well 12:28:39 <peter1138> one day we'll have a tracker, and use it... 12:28:44 <Sacro> Tobin: a nice female wanting to see me on webcam, but her msn client didnt support it, wheras aMsn does 12:28:54 <Celestar> peter1138: ^^ 12:29:01 <Celestar> we HAVE a tracker? 12:29:07 <Tobin> Sacro: ;) 12:29:13 <peter1138> well, bugs. ;) 12:29:17 <Sacro> peter1138: torrent? 12:29:37 <Sacro> Tobin: im sure the last mac i used had 2 buttons 12:30:12 <Tobin> Sacro: The official MSN client sucks. Adium is fantastic but it relies on libGaim for protocol support so no webcams there. :( 12:30:38 <peter1138> gruargh, starving 12:30:44 <Sacro> Tobin: aMSN works, its done in TCL/TK 12:30:53 <Tobin> Sacro: I know. It blows. 12:31:23 <Sacro> hmm, i use it when others fail 12:31:49 <Sacro> my kopete accepts and transfers files, just doesnt write them, i get a 0b file 12:32:18 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:38:40 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn diff | wc -l 12:38:41 <Celestar> 318 12:39:01 <Sacro> wc ? 12:39:19 * Sacro really needs to re-read linux for dummies 12:40:20 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:58 <Maedhros> Sacro: wordcount, although with the -l option it counts lines instead 12:40:59 <Celestar> peter1138: .. 12:41:17 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:42:25 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn diff | wc -l 12:42:26 <Celestar> 1719 12:44:54 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 12:46:22 <peter1138> what? 12:50:13 *** Xeryus|School is now known as XeryusTC 12:50:42 <peter1138> oh 12:50:46 <peter1138> damn irssi 12:50:53 <peter1138> never highlights dccs :/ 12:51:36 <Celestar> I'm 69 map references down 12:52:21 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B829C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:52:26 <peter1138> nice 12:52:35 <Sacro> then what happens? 12:52:53 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B829C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:52:54 <Celestar> then we have all map accesses in foo_map.[ch] files. 12:52:58 <peter1138> then the code is clearer and easier to understand 12:53:02 <Celestar> and changes to the map will be AGES easier. 12:53:12 <Celestar> we shall then make a branch/bridge 12:53:20 <Celestar> with arbitrary tiles under bridges and custombridgeheads. 12:53:26 <peter1138> \o/ 12:53:27 <Sacro> is this the new map array? or just accessors to the old one? 12:53:45 <Celestar> just accessors. and then modifications / extension of the current map array. 12:54:02 <Sacro> will we be getting signals on bridges/in tunnels? 12:54:02 <Celestar> like moving from 5 bytes + 1 uint16 into a single uint64. 12:54:12 <Sacro> thats a lot of extra space 12:54:24 <Celestar> Sacro: on bridge, sooner or later. in tunnels. I guess no. maybe tunnel portals. 12:54:39 <Celestar> for tunnels, the biggest problem is the UI part. 12:55:09 <Sacro> i was thinking maybe a +/- button, only draws landscape so high, ie doing cutways 12:55:18 <Celestar> ask Bjarni but I'm not sure multiple trains are permitted on one tunnel track. 12:55:29 <Celestar> Sacro: I've already implemented such a thing. 12:55:36 <Celestar> it's in branch/newmap 12:55:52 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> grep \.m[1-5] road_cmd.c 12:55:52 <Celestar> grep: No match. 12:55:54 <Celestar> \o/ 12:55:56 <Sacro> cool, i know current tunnels are more like a black and white hole 12:56:20 <Sacro> whats the \. bit for? 12:56:36 <Celestar> it represents the dot 12:56:47 <Celestar> becase the map is accesses as _m[].m[1-5] 12:56:57 <Sacro> ah yeah, cos . means something mystical 12:56:59 <Celestar> but ok. 12:57:05 <Celestar> . is not mystical 12:57:09 <Celestar> . is "any character" 12:57:14 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> grep m[1-5] road_cmd.c 12:57:15 <Celestar> grep: No match. 12:57:17 <Celestar> :) 12:57:17 <hylje> regular expressions 12:57:19 <Sacro> i thought thats what ? is? 12:57:32 <hylje> no 12:57:50 <hylje> in regexps ? means the thing before it is optional 12:57:51 <hylje> afaik 12:57:56 <MiHaMiX> grep -E .. 12:58:17 <Celestar> depending on implementation, "?" means 0 or 1 repetitions 12:58:26 <Sacro> Celestar: yeah, i think thats right 12:58:39 <Celestar> so .? is any one char, or no char 12:58:51 <Celestar> .* is any amount of chars (including none) 12:58:59 <Celestar> .+ is any amount of chars (excluding none) 12:59:34 <Sacro> right, that makes sense 13:00:05 <Sacro> i was perusing the source earlier, looking at newgrf stuff and tractive effort 13:02:02 <Celestar> peter1138 is working on TE 13:02:21 <Sacro> cool 13:02:31 <Celestar> as Tron seems nowhere near, I think I'll start looking at a merge. 13:03:21 <peter1138> 133KB for a patch to use {WEIGHT} instead of {COMMA} <tons> 13:03:23 <peter1138> hmm 13:04:45 <CIA-5> celestar * r4139 /branch/elrail/players.c: [elrail] Merge from trunk: revisions 4134:4148. Slowly preparing for a merge ... 13:04:53 <Sacro> your merging elrails? 13:05:08 <peter1138> yeah 13:05:10 <Celestar> Sacro: if nothing obscure happens, within the next 24 hours. 13:05:25 <peter1138> elrails \o/ 13:05:28 <Sacro> damnit, just as i was hoping to get my life on track 13:05:32 <peter1138> :P 13:05:47 <peter1138> assert(user <> sacro) 13:06:00 <Sacro> yeek, VB 13:06:01 <Celestar> wee matlab crashed. 13:06:32 <Celestar> now lets see 13:06:48 <Sacro> hmm, im getting confused between VMWare, DOSBOX and putty 13:06:55 <Sacro> i can never remember whats local and what isnt 13:07:02 <Celestar> haha 13:07:15 <Sacro> next to put on cygwin and really confuse myself 13:07:39 <Sacro> i have been on my desktop, su'd, ssh'd to my laptop, and su'd again 13:07:45 <peter1138> should i remove now unused strings, or should i wait for the translators to do it? 13:07:59 <peter1138> (now == since multiunit system) 13:09:19 <Celestar> great I have a zombie vim 13:10:23 <Sacro> lol 13:10:42 <Sacro> damnit, now i have samba going, i cant remember which files are local and not 13:11:09 <Celestar> yesterday I had 3 screens nested. 13:11:11 <Celestar> nasty going 13:11:23 <Sacro> i havent yet got into using screen 13:11:34 <Sacro> tty 0 - 6 is usually enough for me 13:13:10 <egladil> [28 15:10 CEST] Sacro damnit, now i have samba going, i cant remember which files are local and not <=== thats easy for me. i have no local files :) 13:14:10 <Celestar> http://129.187.69.2/?c=Server%20Network&h=tdi.td.mw.tum.de&m=&r=hour&s=descending&hc=4 <= load not good. 13:14:54 <egladil> 60? 13:15:04 <Sacro> \192.168.0.169\c\Documents and Settings\Ben has a .gimp fk 13:15:06 <Sacro> l 13:15:11 <Celestar> egladil: yes :S 13:15:13 <Sacro> folder *cries* 13:15:13 <egladil> i never managed to get higher than 25... 13:15:23 <Celestar> seems like a problem 13:16:06 <egladil> well, i haven't really tried 13:17:03 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:17:20 <Sacro> ping floodage may help :) 13:17:45 <egladil> :) 13:17:45 <Sacro> grr, putty only has 1 tty 13:18:07 <Noldo> screen is your friend 13:18:42 <Sacro> hmm, i just typed "openttd" into puttym what happens now... 13:19:19 <Sacro> how do you tell what version openttd is? -v doesnt say anything 13:19:21 <Celestar> a ping flood doesn't normally kill a gigabit line. 13:19:53 <Sacro> Celestar: shame 13:26:06 <Celestar> bah 13:26:16 <Celestar> having a full / partition is a BAD thing. 13:26:31 <Celestar> having admins who fill a / to the LAST SECTOR is even worse a thing :S 13:27:08 <Sacro> when df reports 0b :( 13:28:54 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [No route to host] 13:37:42 <Sacro> when will elrails be in the nightlies? 13:38:59 <Sacro> and does http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/files/ contain just the latest nightlies? 13:39:51 * Sacro considers writing an auto-updator for windows/linux 13:40:29 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 13:45:05 *** Zr40_ [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:15 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:47:09 <Celestar> and back to normal. 13:47:19 <Celestar> Sacro: hopefully around tomorrow 13:48:12 * MiHaMiX progressing well ;) 13:49:16 <Sacro> Celestar: cooool 13:50:01 <Celestar> lets see 13:50:05 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn merge -q svn://svn.openttd.org/branch/elrail -r3818:HEAD . 13:50:09 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn st | grep ^C 13:50:11 <Celestar> C rail.h 13:50:14 <Celestar> C tunnelbridge_cmd.c 13:50:16 <Celestar> C data/openttd.grf 13:50:19 <Celestar> C bridge_map.h 13:50:21 <Celestar> C rail_map.h 13:50:22 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:31 <Sacro> hmm, you seem to have merged bash into IRC 13:51:14 *** CobraA1 [n=Jeremiah@cpe-024-088-000-194.sc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 13:58:45 <Celestar> I .. don't use bash 13:59:06 <hylje> bash.org 13:59:30 <Sacro> im not in there again am i? 13:59:48 * Sacro checks 14:01:56 <Celestar> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1375 <= muhaha 14:02:24 <Celestar> a gaming rig with a Netburst CPU ... how pitiful 14:02:49 * Sacro makes a note for his birthday 14:03:00 <Celestar> what does it read? 14:03:08 <Celestar> "install nuclear power plant in basement" ? 14:03:16 <Sacro> must...have...that...pc 14:03:21 <Celestar> nah. 14:03:26 <Celestar> there are better PCs to have 14:03:27 <Celestar> WAY better 14:03:35 <Sacro> 30 inch screen, thats a lot of OTTD 14:03:55 <Celestar> you want an U40 14:04:20 <Sacro> do i? 14:04:33 <Celestar> half the price, twice as fast, and with decent workmanship. 14:05:08 <Celestar> 2 passively cooled Dual-Core Opterons 14:05:53 <Celestar> Quad Core Power in living-room noise levels. 14:05:57 <Sacro> gtg. see you all later 14:05:58 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-233-197.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Sacro has no reason"] 14:06:33 <Celestar> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra40/specifications.jsp 14:09:03 *** e1ko_AfK [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 14:16:25 <Celestar> DarkSSH: anywhere near? 14:20:29 <Rubidium> make 14:21:34 <Celestar> wrong window 14:21:43 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:22:24 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:23:06 <Rubidium> well, that sometimes happens :) 14:24:53 <Celestar> I know :) 14:27:54 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:37:49 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:42:26 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:43:48 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:49:51 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:27 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:09:22 *** WolfLaptop [n=wolf@213.196.14.85] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 15:17:38 *** tank_ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:43 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:17:46 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:17:58 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-18152.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 15:18:34 *** tank [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:18:34 *** tank_ is now known as tank 15:19:05 *** Marce_ [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 15:19:33 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:19:40 *** Marce_ is now known as Marce 15:20:16 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 15:20:54 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:22:56 *** mcsmurf [n=chatzill@p549373B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:41 <DarkSSH> Celestar: yes my dear 15:24:41 <Celestar> I have rewritten the vehicle slotter once again :P 15:25:21 <Celestar> faster, better, easier and way more readable :) 15:25:51 <Celestar> Vornicus: ping 15:27:16 <DarkSSH> damn I hate Tomcat and Java in general 15:27:25 <DarkSSH> bunch of fucking crappy assholes that came up with this 15:27:45 <DarkSSH> I might also add that I hate HSQLDB which is unable to do case-insensitive searches 15:27:54 <DarkSSH> Celestar: again o_O :) 15:27:55 *** e1ko_AfK [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 15:27:58 <peter1138> hello 15:27:59 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 15:28:05 <DarkSSH> Celestar: one might wonder how the previous ones even worked :p 15:28:07 <DarkSSH> peter1138: hi 15:28:21 <DarkSSH> hmm, I think tron might've forgot to pay his ISP bills 15:28:28 <Celestar> yeah. 15:28:37 <Vornicus> ?? 15:28:38 <mcsmurf> hm, is there any specific info i can give you when i sometimes crash with a dir < lengthof(_tileoffs_by_dir) assertion? 15:28:43 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn diff | grep ^+ | wc -l 15:28:43 <Celestar> 46 15:28:43 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> svn diff | grep ^- | wc -l 15:28:43 <Vornicus> Yes? 15:28:45 <Celestar> 146 15:28:49 <mcsmurf> it only happens randomly; or is this already known? 15:28:51 <Celestar> 100 lines less of slotting code. 15:29:05 <Celestar> Vornicus: you had savegames with slotting/vehicle problems. can I have some of them? 15:29:27 <Vornicus> There's one on http://bugs.openttd.org/task/85 15:29:51 <Celestar> downloading 15:30:18 <Vornicus> i have a slightly earlier save, too, before the problem starts; the game was played out before PBS left the scene. 15:30:58 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:31:33 <DarkSSH> fascinating 15:31:43 <DarkSSH> I was gone for a whole day and not a single PM on irc :P 15:31:59 <Vornicus> ./msg DarkSSH Not any more! muahaha! 15:32:31 <DarkSSH> that is not how it works 15:32:32 <DarkSSH> it 15:32:34 <DarkSSH> it's 15:32:38 <DarkSSH> /msg DarkSSH ... 15:32:44 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, tell me something about the crash i see ;-) 15:32:48 <Celestar> DarkSSH: if tron doesn't show up till tomorrow morning, you're the last one that can stop the merge :P 15:32:54 <DarkSSH> I think Vornicus has a windows client 15:32:59 <DarkSSH> and I bet it's mIRC 15:33:04 <DarkSSH> pathetic I tell ya 15:33:06 <peter1138> help me darkvater, you're my only hope 15:33:09 <peter1138> (erm) 15:33:11 <Vornicus> xChat Aqua, actually 15:33:13 <Celestar> rofl :) 15:33:14 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: two cars? 15:33:26 <DarkSSH> Celestar: muhahaha, feel the power! 15:33:29 <Vornicus> but I use . because I started on mIRC five years ago. 15:33:47 <Celestar> DarkSSH: well, not really, but I give you veto rights. 15:33:50 <DarkSSH> so did I, but do you see me use it? 15:33:56 <DarkSSH> ah good 15:33:59 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, haha :) no :D the assertion i posted above, which leads to a crash 15:34:01 * DarkSSH likes veto's 15:34:08 <Celestar> DarkSSH: I've created documentation. compile doxygen and read the elrail.c doc. 15:34:10 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, dir < lengthof(_tileoffs_by_dir); should i file this as a bug or...? 15:34:10 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: donnu, got savegame + config? 15:34:30 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, well i don't know how much you can do with this savegame, this crash is quite random... 15:34:31 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: what version, when does it happen, do you have to do something? 15:34:47 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: the moment it stops being random, report it 15:34:50 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, nightly, but happened already with old nightlies a few weeks ago once and then 15:35:16 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: put save + config up somewhere 15:35:52 <mcsmurf> i think the last time i tried to build a train station 15:35:52 <Celestar> somehwere? 15:35:56 <Celestar> bugs.openttd.org 15:36:22 <DarkSSH> possible 15:36:41 <DarkSSH> MiHaMiX is fastly nearing ocmpletion of WT2 and then he can focus a bit on flyspray :) 15:38:11 <Celestar> what's wrong with flyspray? 15:38:31 <Celestar> weee the new slotter can even rescue TOTALLY locked up games \o/ 15:38:35 <DarkSSH> the forced registration is a put-off 15:38:44 <DarkSSH> and also the mails it sends out are..not really informative 15:39:00 <DarkSSH> at least with th SF mails I can see what the person did/typed without going to the site 15:40:02 <Celestar> Vornicus: do you have more Roadvehicle games? I have a diff to test. 15:40:24 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:40:29 * mcsmurf pokes nightly.openttd.org 15:41:31 <DarkSSH> bbiaf 15:41:39 *** mode/#openttd [-o DarkSSH] by DarkSSH 15:41:51 <Celestar> and how do I SEND a file? 15:43:25 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|ph00d 15:44:20 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk/currdiff]> cat newslotter.diff unified.diff | wc -l 15:44:23 <Celestar> 2172 15:44:28 <Celestar> it really really is time for Tron to return :P 15:44:43 <peter1138> i read that as news letter... 15:44:57 <Celestar> what? 15:45:04 <peter1138> newslotter -> news letter 15:45:09 <Celestar> ah ;) 15:45:14 <Celestar> new slotter 15:45:27 <peter1138> DarkSSH: should i go removing the old strings, or leave it up to WT? 15:46:36 <Celestar> strings are the translators' business methinks 15:48:58 <peter1138> mmm 15:50:31 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498EB77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:21 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 15:58:21 <mcsmurf> is nightly.openttd.org behind dialup or just general issues with it atm ;) ? 15:58:43 <Celestar> general problems? ;) 15:59:11 <mcsmurf> well...wrong OS...wrong server 15:59:15 <mcsmurf> think of something ;-) 15:59:54 <mcsmurf> <1KB/s is not so good :/ 16:00:45 <Celestar> nope not really. 16:00:50 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 16:09:57 * peter1138 hungers 16:10:13 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 16:10:20 <MeusH> heyah 16:10:34 * Vornicus tries to remember (again) how to apply a patch 16:10:50 *** e1ko_AfK is now known as e1ko 16:12:29 <Celestar> patch -p0 -i filename 16:13:01 <Vornicus> yay thank you 16:13:56 * Vornicus hunts down socks while that builds. 16:16:31 <mcsmurf> patch -p0<filename 16:16:32 <mcsmurf> :o 16:17:55 <Celestar> works as well. 16:18:02 <Celestar> depends on whether you prefer options or directs 16:20:52 * peter1138 hacks his vim syntax files to allow // comments in pascal 16:21:04 <Celestar> lol 16:21:21 * Celestar hacks hackykid's signal gui 16:21:37 <mcsmurf> "OpenTTD has a project page on SourceForge. The SourceForge tracker is used to keep track of bug reports," 16:21:43 <mcsmurf> is the bug reports part still true? 16:21:52 <mcsmurf> i saw http://bugs.openttd.org/ before here 16:23:17 <Celestar> both are currently in use. 16:23:24 <Celestar> bugs.openttd.org will be preferred in the future. 16:23:31 <Celestar> i.e. someone edit that stuff. 16:25:05 <Vornicus> It seems to work, Celestar. 16:25:43 <Celestar> great 16:26:26 <mcsmurf> heh downloading the nightly from http://nightly.openttd.org/win32/OTTD-win32-nightly-r4136.zip is really fast 16:26:32 <mcsmurf> but from http://nightly.openttd.org/latest/OTTD-win32-nightly-r4136.zip it's really really slow 16:27:16 <Vornicus> Yeah. The traffic in the game I sent you has unclogged, but it's still a little clumpy from buses trying to cram in to the small stations. I figure that will even out some eventually. 16:27:30 <Celestar> Vornicus: let it run and hope. 16:27:34 <Celestar> if not build more stops :) 16:29:32 <DarkSSH> peter1138: leave it up to WT 16:30:26 <DarkSSH> 18:23 < Celestar> i.e. someone edit that stuff. <-- look who has been given access? :) 16:30:33 <Celestar> oh? 16:30:34 <Celestar> I needa run 16:30:36 <Celestar> cu laters 16:30:42 <DarkSSH> yeah, sure he needs to run NOW 16:30:52 <Celestar> elrail-veto deadline is tomorrow 0900 16:30:59 <DarkSSH> nice masking of quotation-marks :) 16:31:50 <Vornicus> the current major bottleneck is presberg bay 3, which has a bank at it in addition to the usual mail and passenger traffic. So now I'm trying to find a good space for a second truck stop, hopefully that will clear up the cycling traffic. 16:31:56 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:33:29 <peter1138> k 16:34:01 <peter1138> hmm, so 16:34:10 <Vornicus> perfect. 16:34:15 <Vornicus> yay it is fixeded 16:35:10 <Vornicus> thank you, celestar! 16:38:12 <peter1138> oo eh le patch? 16:38:36 <mcsmurf> argh :( new assertion 16:41:03 <Vornicus> which patch? 16:48:34 <peter1138> elrails 16:48:38 <peter1138> errr no 16:48:45 <peter1138> whatever it was you're testing ;p 16:49:04 <peter1138> ffs delphi won't quit :/ 16:49:12 <peter1138> the process it was debugging died... 16:49:19 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:49:28 <peter1138> it thinks it's still running, and fails to kill it off when quitting, so it doesn't quit 16:49:32 <peter1138> o_O 16:49:46 <peter1138> > home 16:51:16 <Vornicus> time to kill -9 16:52:03 * SpComb CAN'T FIND IT 17:02:47 *** Xeryus|ph00d is now known as XeryusTC 17:07:25 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 17:07:40 <black_Nightmare> haven't tried it yet but....what kind of controls do you get when you own 75% of another company? 17:09:38 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-201-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:12:45 <black_Nightmare> ugh damn..I forgot how to signal..meh ... I really need a guidebook to remind me sometimes 17:14:01 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: ping 17:14:44 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has joined #openttd 17:14:57 <black_Nightmare> if anyone is willing to .. tell me if I ctrl the first signal once... next one three times..then the platform ones twice? (I still need to be able to remember their names yet so excuse me heh) 17:17:13 <Sacro> ctrl once = entrance, three times = exit, twice = both 17:17:32 <Sacro> you dont often need both, i usually have just an entrance and an exit 17:18:29 <black_Nightmare> hmm sacro..do you recall I shared a screenshot of my complex goods station once? 17:18:40 <Sacro> yes i recall 17:18:43 <black_Nightmare> that was the one I want to reuse the signalling from but now I forgot how ... feck me lol 17:20:40 <Sacro> lol 17:20:50 * Sacro ponders how elrails is going 17:22:05 <black_Nightmare> meh running out of $ and no trains 17:22:11 <black_Nightmare> some of a day I am having!! 17:22:34 <MiHaMiX> black_Nightmare: Ctrl - Alt - C, and give some money to you :) 17:23:28 <black_Nightmare> even in coop? 17:23:36 <black_Nightmare> :-> 17:23:55 <MiHaMiX> black_Nightmare: not there D: 17:24:03 <MiHaMiX> anyhow, bbl :) 17:25:14 <black_Nightmare> guess I'll wait for maarten to come back...perhaps he'll help :p 17:25:16 <black_Nightmare> brb 17:26:09 <Sacro> M-C-c i belive :) 17:26:36 <Sacro> how do i find the svn log? 17:27:08 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:29 <black_Nightmare> -88 and still counting more debt with no trains........hehehe ^_^ 17:30:03 *** Pulec [n=Pulcoj@62.204.255.139] has joined #openttd 17:30:34 <Sacro> hmm, looking at the 0.5 roadmap, md5 scenario check and newgrf pre-join check both look like the same basic coed 17:30:46 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 17:30:52 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:30:55 <Sacro> the server sends out the md5's of the current newgrfs in use, and the clients verify it 17:32:36 *** SailorOrion [n=jd@82.139.240.143] has joined #openttd 17:32:47 <SailorOrion> back 17:32:55 <Sacro> wb SailorOrion 17:33:41 <DarkSSH> hi Celestar 17:34:03 <SailorOrion> hey DarkSSH 17:34:40 <SailorOrion> BAH I can't ssh to my workstation 17:34:51 <SailorOrion> I get a login prompt, and there it hangs :S 17:34:56 <DarkSSH> :( 17:35:05 <DarkSSH> I have that all the time on the univeristy computers 17:35:16 <Sacro> how can i see whast been committed since i went to the pub? 17:35:30 <DarkSSH> svn.openttd.org > timeline 17:35:50 <Sacro> into any particular place? 17:36:13 <Sacro> ahh, found it, thanks 17:37:27 <SailorOrion> DarkSSH: damnit seems I forgot my passwd for the homepage :P 17:37:37 <DarkSSH> my GOD 17:37:43 <SailorOrion> I have it in my wallet. 17:37:46 <SailorOrion> but I can't log in. 17:37:47 <DarkSSH> why do you people all forget your PW? 17:37:51 <SailorOrion> because SSH fails 17:38:08 <SailorOrion> because they're all stored in kwallet 17:38:35 <SailorOrion> :S 17:38:40 <Sacro> and if kwallet fails, we might never see you again :s 17:40:26 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4140 /website/mixedfeed.php: - Fix [website]: Fix the RSS feed (again). <guid/> should not be used as a link under any circumstances 17:40:51 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4141 /website/templates/ (header.tpl login.tpl post.tpl): - Change [website]: change the 3 second timeout after an action to 1 second. 17:41:17 <SailorOrion> DarkSSH: quit messing with the website and start reading elrails :P 17:41:29 * DarkSSH messes with SailorOrion 17:41:45 * Sacro steps back 17:43:36 * SpComb moves in and eats DarkSSH 17:43:51 <SailorOrion> BAH 17:44:44 * SailorOrion hits www.openttd.org 17:45:05 <SailorOrion> http://www.openttd.org/dev.php <= there. Fixed it. 17:45:39 <DarkSSH> SailorOrion: 'feature requestS' 17:45:52 <SailorOrion> why do you ALWAYS moan? :P 17:46:01 <SailorOrion> *runs* 17:46:09 <SailorOrion> bah kopete sucks as IRC clent 17:46:24 <SailorOrion> ok DNS is down now 17:46:26 <Sacro> ksirc is quite nice 17:46:48 <SailorOrion> ok now DNS has failed :S 17:47:24 <SailorOrion> ping 17:47:27 <DarkSSH> pong 17:47:33 <SailorOrion> hm .. 17:47:42 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 17:47:43 <SailorOrion> I have no DNS but luckily IRC still works :S 17:48:02 <SpComb> moan moan moan 17:48:10 * SpComb bitchslaps SailorOrion 17:48:27 <SailorOrion> whoever set up this crappy installation here needs to be hit :S 17:49:26 * SailorOrion hacks some DNS servers from memory into /etc/resolv.conf 17:50:15 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494518E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:04 <SailorOrion> hr hr works 17:53:12 <SailorOrion> .oO(in 2-3 years I need to memorize IPv6 Servers then :P) 17:53:17 <SpComb> put put 194.197.235.145 as a dns server 17:53:55 <SailorOrion> I use 129.187.10.25 and 129.187.1.16 17:54:05 <SailorOrion> we also have 129.187.45.233 and 129.187.69.2 17:55:22 <SailorOrion> ok. 17:55:27 <SailorOrion> 3 minutes then I gotta teach 17:55:34 <SailorOrion> for 90 minutes. 17:56:35 <DarkSSH> :O 17:56:38 <DarkSSH> at 8PM? 17:56:42 <SailorOrion> yeah 17:56:43 <SailorOrion> Dancing 17:56:56 <SailorOrion> already 12 couples here. 17:56:57 <Sacro> whens the nightly out? 17:57:18 <SailorOrion> Sacro: 2000 CE[S]T 17:57:27 <SailorOrion> cu later 17:57:31 <Sacro> whats that in BST? 17:57:33 <SailorOrion> me->out 17:57:33 * mcsmurf looks for changelog 17:57:37 *** SailorOrion [n=jd@82.139.240.143] has left #openttd ["Kopete 0.10.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 18:04:47 <Sacro> mcsmurf: from when to when? 18:05:18 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F139.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:19 <mcsmurf> oh i was just wondering if any crasher was fixed in today's nightly :) 18:05:24 <mcsmurf> since i'm about to file a bug 18:05:34 <mcsmurf> compared to yesterday's 18:07:20 <Sacro> svn.openttd.org > nightly is what DarkSSH pointed me to 18:07:29 <Sacro> s/nightly/timeline 18:09:05 <mcsmurf> anyway, see crash follows, even if the assertion is ignored 18:09:09 <mcsmurf> err 18:09:11 <mcsmurf> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/86 :) 18:09:17 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD6E755.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 18:09:35 <mcsmurf> it's a crasher, but not sure why or...; but heh i don't know the code of OpenTTD ;-) 18:10:28 <Sacro> have a read of it 18:10:46 <Sacro> harass a few devs 18:10:59 <mcsmurf> i could imagine fixing a crasher with the help of a game which already runs for 60 years 18:11:03 <mcsmurf> is not so easy ;-) 18:11:09 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:16 <mcsmurf> (minimal testcase and such :D ) 18:19:13 <Sacro> is there a precompiled latest elrails? 18:21:16 <Sacro> for win32 that is 18:22:27 *** x87 [n=x87@tor/session/x-e8e0a5ba9cab4a54] has joined #openttd 18:26:19 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit ["kthxbye"] 18:26:44 <Sacro> coulda sworn that the compile farm attemtped to compile brances :( 18:27:46 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:27:57 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 18:29:13 *** mcsmurf [n=chatzill@p549373B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [SeaMonkey 1.5a/0000000000]"] 18:31:04 *** michi_cc-away is now known as michi_cc 18:33:34 *** mcsmurf [n=chatzill@p549373B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:40 <XeryusTC> devs? 18:39:03 <blathijs> XeryusTC: user? 18:41:55 <XeryusTC> my ottd doesn't save the message settings :( 18:42:06 <mcsmurf> is "regression" a common term in OpenTTD development :) ? (just wondering if i can use it in a bug ;D) 18:42:39 *** Vornicus is now known as TheMonsterMash 18:42:46 *** TheMonsterMash is now known as Vornicus 18:47:12 <mcsmurf> anyway, i think Celestar broke it 18:47:16 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 18:47:24 <mcsmurf> (just my guess based looking at the checkins ;-) 18:50:47 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACD6E755.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:51:26 <MeusH> and that was one hour ago...? 18:52:32 <MeusH> hey MiHaMiX 18:52:39 <MeusH> how about a wiki bot? :P 18:53:09 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: hmm 18:53:23 <hylje> anyone have a spare dedicated 18:53:25 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: you mean a bot which notifies us whether there's a change on a wiki page? 18:54:34 <MiHaMiX> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Phasellus lorem lectus, adipiscing sed, dictum eget, scelerisque varius, tellus. Integer vehicula volutpat felis. Ut sed turpis quis nibh tristique fringilla. 18:54:56 <MeusH> no 18:55:03 <MiHaMiX> then? 18:56:05 <MeusH> like bot that loops all numbers from 1 to $current_revision, search it in the wiki, and changes into a link to svn logs (that Trac system) 18:56:24 <MeusH> it could also help when doing something big 18:56:31 <MeusH> nevermind, just my crazy ideas 18:56:45 <MiHaMiX> hmm 18:56:55 <MeusH> and by the way, who's Ae-a? 18:57:05 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: you know, I've just implemented something into WT2 which resembles me your idea 18:57:17 <MeusH> yeah, go on 18:57:19 <MiHaMiX> Ae-a? :) 18:57:28 <MeusH> anyway, he had made a lot of changes, and he was able to *move* pages 18:57:40 <MeusH> I don't think normal users are able to do so 18:57:42 <MiHaMiX> revnum | commiter | commitdate | changelogpart 18:57:42 <MiHaMiX> --------+-----------+---------------------+---------------------------------- 18:57:42 <MiHaMiX> 4136 | belugas | 2006-03-27 14:28:56 | CodeChange : Revert part of r... 18:57:42 <MiHaMiX> 4134 | tron | 2006-03-27 06:18:02 | Revert part of r4133: Replaci... 18:57:42 <MiHaMiX> 4133 | Darkvater | 2006-03-26 22:58:11 | - Some miscellaneous changes ... 18:57:45 <MiHaMiX> 4132 | Darkvater | 2006-03-26 22:56:58 | - Missed 3 CargoID's... 18:57:47 <MiHaMiX> 4131 | Darkvater | 2006-03-26 22:55:27 | - CodeChange: Add proper sema... 18:57:50 <MiHaMiX> 4130 | Darkvater | 2006-03-26 22:41:56 | - CodeChange: Add proper sema... 18:57:52 <MiHaMiX> 4129 | Darkvater | 2006-03-26 22:25:29 | - CodeChange: Add proper bool... 18:57:55 <MiHaMiX> 4128 | Darkvater | 2006-03-26 22:23:32 | - CodeChange: Add proper sema... 18:57:57 <MiHaMiX> 4127 | peter1138 | 2006-03-26 22:02:11 | - Update English language fil... 18:58:02 <MiHaMiX> hmm 18:58:03 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46aa6.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:58:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:58:05 <MiHaMiX> lemme see 18:58:07 <MeusH> nice 18:58:12 <Bjarni> goodday good people of #openttd 18:58:21 <MeusH> hello 18:58:35 * MeusH whispers: good Bjarni didn't saw that 18:59:52 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: this is an IRC script? 19:00:04 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: do you have idea who is Ae-a? 19:00:11 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:01:09 <Bjarni> saw what? 19:01:16 <Bjarni> MeusH: tell me of be kicked 19:01:56 <MeusH> of? you mean "or"? 19:02:08 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: ahh that Ae-a dude is unstoppable 19:02:18 <MeusH> he writes articles faster than I read them o_O 19:02:28 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: don't hurt MeusH or I'll hurt you personally :P 19:02:34 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: :DD 19:02:50 <Bjarni> hmm 19:02:56 <Bjarni> still... saw what? 19:02:59 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: I don't know him. Maybe I'll write a mail to him/her and ask some details :) 19:03:03 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: my c&p 19:03:18 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: 12 lines :) 19:03:20 *** x87 [n=x87@tor/session/x-e8e0a5ba9cab4a54] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:03:41 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:03:47 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no, it's not an irc script, it's part of WT2 :) 19:05:19 <Bjarni> http://static.flickr.com/27/40519735_23bdbee3a4_m.jpg <-- hehe, placed at a railroad crossing 19:21:16 <Vornicus> that would sting. 19:26:21 <Vornicus> (I once flipped my bike like that hitting a dune at the beach. That stung. Something more sudden like that... and of course at a rail crossing...) 19:26:27 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: what's WT2? I only know WT3... 19:27:22 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: what's WT3? I only know WT and WT2 :) 19:28:01 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: FYI: WT2 stands for WebTranslator2 19:28:18 <MeusH> bleh, w3c, sorry 19:28:35 *** _StefaN^ [n=StefaN@nat5.mnc.pl] has quit [] 19:28:38 <MeusH> and WebTranslator is your tool to translate OpenTTD strings, isn't it? 19:29:51 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: right 19:30:30 <MeusH> anyway, I'm still curious about that Ae-a user 19:30:33 <MeusH> he can move pages 19:30:43 <MeusH> while standard dude can't 19:30:51 <MeusH> at least I checked when logging out 19:32:22 <MiHaMiX> registered users CAN move pages 19:32:33 <MeusH> okay, thanks 19:32:34 <MiHaMiX> unregistered users are unable, of course :) 19:32:41 <MeusH> very good :) 19:34:46 <MeusH> Bjarni: Do you remember the RCT style startscreen? I mean, like if camera on opntitle.dat could move to some spots to create a slideshow 19:34:50 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:09 <MeusH> Random numbers doesn't work well in OpenTTD 19:35:19 <MeusH> but I've got an idea to create signs 19:35:29 <MeusH> called 1, 2, 3, and so on 19:35:40 <MeusH> OpenTTD would loop throught all of them 19:36:16 <MeusH> and I'm thinking about it according to much closer time of making new opntitle.dat 19:36:23 <MeusH> with electrified railways and so on 19:39:01 <Sacro> couldnt you script camera changes into it? 19:44:32 <peter1138> moo 19:44:48 <peter1138> 20:38 < MeusH> Random numbers doesn't work well in OpenTTD 19:44:49 <peter1138> what?? 19:49:22 <Bjarni> <MeusH> Bjarni: Do you remember the RCT style startscreen? I mean, like if camera on opntitle.dat could move to some spots to create a slideshow <-- I don't think I have ever been told about it :s 19:50:14 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:51:04 <peter1138> didn't luca make a patch for that? 19:51:27 <peter1138> (another lost-in-the-mists-of-time patch) 19:54:05 <Vornicus> That would be kinda awesome, but we'd need to make a title page game with lots of stuff on it. 19:54:11 <mcsmurf> Celestar, ping 19:54:26 <Vornicus> Not just one page's worth and some support stuff. 20:01:02 *** mcsmurf [n=chatzill@p549373B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:03:42 *** mcsmurf [n=chatzill@p549373B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:49 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 20:08:01 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B356C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:52 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:10:06 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181079094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 20:11:55 *** Scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:15:06 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:16:49 *** bp0|away is now known as bp0 20:17:19 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 20:21:27 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24225&highlight= 20:21:32 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: doesn't sound too good 20:24:14 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176120002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:25:35 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 20:27:39 *** valhalla1w`zzz [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:09 <peter1138> hmm 20:31:21 * peter1138 wonders what he was upto with saving grf config 20:32:27 <DarkSSH> only you know that :) 20:32:51 <Vornicus> Looks like the UTF-8 problem I was having earlier that bjarni fixed for me. 20:33:00 *** Qball is now known as Catbert 20:33:38 <DarkSSH> Vornicus: yes but why would it fail? As far as I understand the iconv library is statically linked into the OSX executable, no? 20:34:07 <DarkSSH> I told Bjarni not to backport the iconv thing to 0.4.7 but he wouldn't listen 20:34:32 <Vornicus> I don't know. I just know that earlier on I could not open the Load Game menu 20:34:45 <DarkSSH> how did he fix it for you? 20:34:55 <Vornicus> I don't recall. 20:34:56 <DarkSSH> remove iconv with/from fink? 20:35:13 <Vornicus> I don't use fink because it doesn't work. 20:35:28 <DarkSSH> ah 20:35:43 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:36:28 <peter1138> o_O 20:36:39 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176102023.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:36:46 <peter1138> DarkSSH: thing is, someone changed all the ini file stuff ;-) 20:37:00 <DarkSSH> ? 20:37:15 <DarkSSH> I fail to see the link 20:37:30 <peter1138> re saving grf config, heh 20:37:48 <DarkSSH> ah 20:38:52 *** valhallasw`zzz [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:39:43 <DarkSSH> peter1138: and? 20:39:54 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:55 <peter1138> hmm 20:40:05 <peter1138> my aim: 20:40:13 <peter1138> replace [newgrf] with [newgrf_presets] 20:40:52 <peter1138> newgrf_presets contains a list, each has its own ini section 20:41:02 <peter1138> hmm 20:41:07 <peter1138> or maybe some other way 20:41:10 <DarkSSH> and? 20:41:15 <peter1138> don't really want to clutter settings.c too much 20:41:23 <DarkSSH> to have parameters for the grf files? 20:41:32 <peter1138> [newgrf_presets] 20:41:33 <peter1138> ukrs 20:41:35 <peter1138> dbsetxl 20:41:36 <peter1138> 20:41:38 <peter1138> [ukrs] 20:41:53 <DarkSSH> and what's in ukrs? 20:41:54 <peter1138> pb_ukrs.grf=<params> 20:42:36 <peter1138> (doesn't need to be =, heh) 20:43:24 *** Catbert is now known as Qball 20:45:07 <mcsmurf> can you CC people to a task in Flyspray? 20:45:35 <mcsmurf> so they look at the task ;) (or do the devs watch a mailinglist with the new tasks?) 20:45:54 <DarkSSH> peter1138: so why not 20:45:56 <DarkSSH> [newgrf] 20:46:01 <DarkSSH> pb_ukrs.grf=<params> 20:46:03 <DarkSSH> directly? 20:46:24 <peter1138> misunderstand :) 20:46:46 <mcsmurf> since i think Celestar is responsible for the crash i see in http://bugs.openttd.org/task/86 20:46:54 <mcsmurf> from looking at the checkin list 20:46:55 <peter1138> the [ukrs] or [dbsetxl] can contain more than one grf file 20:47:04 <peter1138> they are just names for logical groups 20:47:14 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: I just browse there regularly to see if new things come up. After I reply I get mails about further activities 20:47:21 <peter1138> ukrs is often used with viaducts and some road vehicles 20:47:30 <DarkSSH> peter1138: ok, so you want to bundle things into groups. 20:47:41 <DarkSSH> hmm 20:47:44 <peter1138> the newgrf_presets is to be able to easily switch from one group to another 20:48:05 <DarkSSH> ah, don't see the point in it, but ok :) 20:48:20 <DarkSSH> in my view you ususally set up your newgrf when you start a game and stick with it to the end 20:48:42 <peter1138> yes, indeed 20:48:43 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, ah ok i'm used to the Bugzilla bug system, where you normally CC people :) 20:48:52 <peter1138> and i won't allow changing it in game either, heh 20:48:52 <mcsmurf> or people watch the default assignee or QA 20:48:54 <DarkSSH> but to support this, you'll have to rewrite quite a few things. The Iniparser has no notion of 'dynamic' groups, neither of the params 20:49:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:49:42 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: and why do you think celestar is responsible for it? 20:49:45 <DarkSSH> hi DaleStan 20:49:54 <DarkSSH> peter1138: so there is no point is there? :P 20:50:17 <peter1138> yeah, because commenting out lines in the config file is a bitch 20:50:31 <mcsmurf> (edit) 03/26/06 16:29:20 @4114 [4114] Darkvater - Add missing source files to VS2003/VS6 project files added in r4113 20:50:32 <mcsmurf> (edit) 03/26/06 14:41:39 @4113 [4113] celestar Moved all relevant map functions for stations to station_map.[ch] & 20:50:34 <mcsmurf> (edit) 03/26/06 11:08:44 @4111 [4111] tron Fix/Remove some stale comments 20:50:35 <DarkSSH> and now you are commenting out newgrf groups 20:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i second peter1138... 20:50:41 <mcsmurf> these are the checkins that happened in the timeframe 20:51:02 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: and which revision is it? :) 20:51:17 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, did you look at the task? ;) 20:51:20 <DarkSSH> yes 20:51:23 <peter1138> DarkSSH: no, the gui will allow selecting a group to use 20:51:29 <peter1138> (before game) 20:51:30 <mcsmurf> r1409 is ok, r4115 not 20:51:32 <DarkSSH> you say " r4109 and r4115" 20:51:40 <DarkSSH> that is not ONE revision :) 20:51:43 <mcsmurf> broke between 20:52:06 <mcsmurf> comments should not matter, project files the same 20:52:13 <mcsmurf> so only one checkin left? 20:52:14 <DarkSSH> ok let's see if it crashes 20:52:29 <mcsmurf> usually i had to wait like 20-30 seconds 20:52:30 <DarkSSH> and why do you think it doesn't happen before 4109? 20:52:45 <DaleStan> hi DarkSSH (I've been here, it just takes me a while to realize I still have a tail. 20:52:50 <mcsmurf> DarkSSH, i had the game running long enough with that version and did not crash 20:53:08 <DarkSSH> mcsmurf: were you using nightlies? 20:53:11 <mcsmurf> yes 20:53:45 <mcsmurf> you think something could be wrong with a savegame? 20:54:42 <DarkSSH> no 20:54:49 <DarkSSH> it thinks a helipad is a bouy 20:55:05 <peter1138> heh 20:55:09 <peter1138> SetCustomStationSprite() 20:55:10 <peter1138> o_O 20:55:13 <mcsmurf> o_O ?! 20:55:18 <mcsmurf> a buoy?! 20:55:19 <DarkSSH> no not like that :P 20:58:14 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-18152.otenet.gr] has quit ["I will rule you all one day and... mom? yes mom, I am coming..."] 21:00:03 <mcsmurf> ok gotta go 21:00:08 <mcsmurf> thanks for your help 21:00:13 <mcsmurf> OpenTTD rocks! ;) 21:00:24 *** mcsmurf [n=chatzill@p549373B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [SeaMonkey 1.5a/0000000000]"] 21:00:26 <SpComb> TTD Patch is better! 21:00:28 <SpComb> crap 21:00:30 * SpComb hides 21:01:35 <hylje> i found a troll 21:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause> vanquish him! 21:04:03 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:04:36 <SpComb> troll? never 21:05:57 * peter1138 > sleep 21:06:30 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 21:10:41 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 21:11:13 <DarkSSH> gn peter1138 21:11:23 <DarkSSH> grrr fucking flyspray 21:11:26 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp24-217.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 21:11:38 <DarkSSH> it can't handle editing task and adding comment at the same time :( 21:12:28 <hylje> queue em 21:12:44 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:18:45 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable254.254-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 21:19:48 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:21:10 <SpComb> !insult Osai 21:21:16 <SpComb> hmm, oops 21:21:25 <SpComb> ah well, doesn't like me anyways 21:21:37 <Sacro> lol 21:21:38 <Osai> hu? 21:22:01 *** RichK [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 21:22:01 <Sacro> Osai: SpComb wants to insult you 21:22:03 <SpComb> tab completion... 21:22:16 <SpComb> I wanted to insult orudge 21:22:20 <Osai> seems to work :p 21:22:24 <SpComb> but was too lazy 21:22:25 <orudge> How not nice, SpComb 21:22:29 <SpComb> yeah 21:22:38 <SpComb> but that's how it goes 21:22:48 <egladil> RichK: pong 21:23:06 <RichK> ping 21:23:13 <Osai> hey Rich :) 21:23:32 <RichK> hi 21:23:45 <RichK> airports patch is now complete :) 21:24:10 <egladil> what was it you wanted last night? 21:24:45 <Osai> i ll leave again, cya guys! 21:25:10 <Sacro> hmm, i want to try elrails 21:25:11 <RichK> can you create a .grf from this png? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=421926#421926 21:25:48 <egladil> sure 21:26:10 *** Pulec [n=Pulcoj@62.204.255.139] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:27:00 <RichK> MeusH: ping 21:29:58 <XeryusTC> heya RichK 21:30:09 <RichK> hi xeryus 21:30:31 <XeryusTC> i've been playing around a bit with your TerraGenesis patch 21:30:39 <XeryusTC> it creates really nice landscapes :) 21:30:39 <RichK> ive managed to solve the major flaws in the airports patch :) 21:30:48 <RichK> which? Perlin? 21:31:01 <XeryusTC> uhm 21:31:09 <RichK> it has a random seed 21:31:19 <XeryusTC> i guess it is the perlin 21:31:49 <RichK> semi-random - if you enter the same number, you get exactly the same terrain.... great if you want to "just see that one in tropical"... 21:31:50 <XeryusTC> it is the one based on r3984 iirc 21:32:23 <RichK> ive a couple of updates to that one.... i think thats 3e, but my dev version is 3g 21:33:03 <RichK> eek... nope its 3d... thats ancient! :) 21:33:04 <XeryusTC> i would like to see it when it is done 21:34:00 <RichK> the new version can run on a dedicated server, and still randomly pick a seed. send it 0 as seed, and it picks a random seed. send it a number, it uses the number 21:34:22 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:34:22 <Sacro> RichK: sounds cool 21:34:29 <XeryusTC> nice :) 21:34:51 <RichK> it means brianetta can use it on his dedicated server ;) 21:35:04 <Brianetta> wah? 21:35:23 <XeryusTC> it creates beautifull landscapes :) 21:35:29 <RichK> the mod to terragenesis to let it pick a random seed 21:35:33 <egladil> RichK: http://emil.djupfeldt.se/ottd/spdlim2.grf 21:35:35 <Brianetta> ah, yeah 21:35:46 <RichK> inspired/for your server 21:35:53 <RichK> is it working ok? 21:35:56 <Brianetta> well, I could use it before, but the server would always have the same coastline, regardless of map dimensions or climate... 21:36:04 <Brianetta> It's good, yeah 21:36:05 <RichK> thanks egladil 21:36:13 <Brianetta> Haven't updated the server for a few days, though 21:36:32 <RichK> i need to update the patch really, its several generations out 21:36:38 <Brianetta> I think TGen is ready to be committed to trunk 21:37:28 <RichK> needs more testing, and i need to handle 64x64 better... way too easy to have all sea 21:38:03 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6310.bb.online.no] has quit ["Que?"] 21:38:09 <Bjarni> !insult Osai 21:38:10 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni tells Osai: If you ever waste my time again with another one of these sonnets to your stupidity, I will uppercut your jaw so hard that your head snaps backward and then snaps forward in perfect synchronicity for me to head butt you into a seven-year coma. 21:38:17 <Bjarni> just carrying out SpComb's will 21:38:18 <Bjarni> :p 21:38:33 <Bjarni> !slap SpComb 21:38:34 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Bjarni wants SpComb's full printed version of X11 source code. And will take... 21:38:54 <egladil> RichK: np 21:38:56 <Bjarni> no insulting in here 21:41:04 <RichK> bjarni - major bug fixed in 3 airports patch - pls ask devs to consider its trunk-worthiness :) <grovel> 21:41:13 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: good news 21:41:21 <Bjarni> \o/ 21:41:23 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24225 21:41:50 <Bjarni> o_O 21:42:52 <Bjarni> somehow I don't find that to be good news 21:43:13 <DarkSSH> it's like in Futurama 21:43:26 <Bjarni> ahh, like that 21:43:35 <hylje> "sorry, were closed" -> "sorry, were open" 21:43:37 <DarkSSH> The Professor: "Good news everybody! You have been selected to transfer cargo the Death Planet 1" 21:43:43 <RichK> first time poster tho.... maybe got something wrong 21:44:09 <Bjarni> good news everyone. You will go to the dangerous planet of canibalismic where noone returns 21:44:15 *** Sacro2 [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-151-153.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:44:16 <Bjarni> good news like that? 21:44:20 <RichK> lol 21:44:23 <DarkSSH> exactly 21:44:47 <RichK> egladil: awesome grf.... im posting a screenie :) 21:45:05 <Sacro2> speed? 21:45:18 <Bjarni> hmm... what to do... 21:45:25 <egladil> Rexxie: don't thank me, thank MeusH for making good graphics 21:45:34 <Rexxie> alright :p 21:45:38 <egladil> (i know i wouldn't be able to) 21:45:43 <egladil> err, RichK :) 21:45:43 <Bjarni> anybody happens to have OSX 10.3.9? 21:45:50 <Bjarni> Vornicus: are you here? 21:46:17 <Vornicus> I'm here. 21:46:22 <Vornicus> I have OSX 10.3.9. 21:46:37 <Bjarni> Vornicus: good, can you use the 0.4.7 binary and load savegames? 21:46:43 <Vornicus> I am already downloading the 0.4.7 release for testing; I know the latest revision doesn't have that problem. 21:47:12 <RichK> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=422526#422526 here is the screenie 21:47:19 <Bjarni> there is a risk that the problem is my crosscompilation to 10.3.9, that's not good enough 21:47:28 <Bjarni> if it's not, then I know what went wrong and how to fix it 21:47:33 <DarkSSH> why is fast blue? 21:47:54 <Sacro2> i think there should be an option to have speed signs on signalling side 21:48:00 <Bjarni> but it's not something I will do unless I get indications that it's the binary that was built the wrong way 21:48:02 <Sacro2> so as the driver can see them 21:48:31 *** Sacro [i=Ben@adsl-83-100-201-11.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:48:42 <Bjarni> RichK: why is fast and slow switched? 21:48:59 *** Sacro2 is now known as Sacro 21:49:42 <Bjarni> green sign, that indicates end of local speed limit in real life do not really feel like the right sign for the slowest track ;) 21:49:54 <Bjarni> also green usually indicates trains, that wants to go forward 21:49:55 <Sacro> i thought yellow - slow, green - medium, and blue - fast 21:50:00 <RichK> oops.... its the order in the .grf... i can negate it easily 21:50:07 <Vornicus> ...meep 21:50:09 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-182.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:50:21 <Vornicus> Bjarni, 0.4.7 crashes when I click load game. 21:50:27 <Bjarni> :( 21:50:46 <Bjarni> Vornicus: in a moment, I will give you a new binary to test 21:50:50 <Bjarni> I need to compile it first 21:51:07 <Vornicus> ok 21:51:19 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r4142 /trunk/ (macros.h settings.c): - Fix [FS#74]: Incorrectly loaded settings from the config file when the signed uint32 variable would be negative. 21:51:24 <Sacro> RichK: any chance of having them on the drivers side, so's he can see them 21:51:56 <RichK> no - its not a "sided" sign, but will always not overlap a signal 21:52:26 <Sacro> RichK: i cant understand that sentance, sorry 21:52:57 <RichK> ok, pic updated - same link 21:53:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:53:27 <Sacro> i want both signals and speed indicators on the left side, is that possible? 21:53:36 <RichK> a flat sign or a signal has a facing - towards the driving side. this does not have a facing, as that would then overcomplicate the placement 21:53:41 <RichK> no 21:54:00 <RichK> because it would interfere with the signal graphic 21:54:12 <Sacro> oh right, i understand that 21:54:21 *** jerome_ [n=jerome@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:54:23 <glx> can't you put the sign on top of signal? 21:54:44 <RichK> look at the screenie, and you can see how they place relative to existing signals 21:54:50 <XeryusTC> they look nice :) but maybe the signs should face the driver in stead of the user 21:55:05 <RichK> aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 21:55:12 <hylje> yarrr 21:55:26 <Sacro> ooh eck, we've angered im 21:55:44 <RichK> nope - that was my hair getting ripped out ;) 21:55:53 <XeryusTC> last part was for MeusH ;) 21:55:59 <Sacro> makes you more aerodynamic i suppose 21:56:16 <RichK> lol - you havent seen the rest of me! 21:56:25 <Sacro> and im not really wanting to 21:56:28 <XeryusTC> RichK: you're fat? 21:57:27 <RichK> anyway - i dont want people to think of the signs as signals, so they are more sort of symbolic... i think its pretty clear when you look at them that they arent signals, so dont necessarily work like signals 21:57:39 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 21:58:01 <RichK> the symbol is a pyramid, and it does rotate through 4 aspects, so at least 3 do not face the user 21:59:02 <RichK> about facing... if you have 2 way track, which way would a 1 way sign point? 21:59:20 <Sacro> RichK: forwards 21:59:22 *** Angst [n=Angst@p5494518E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["n8"] 22:00:05 <RichK> sacro: which forwards? or do you have to have 2 signs? (not good) 22:00:06 <XeryusTC> RichK: just like the signals do now, both ways 22:00:42 <Vornicus> the problem with all this is that except at signals, tracks do not have an innate direction. 22:01:29 <RichK> look at the pic, and see where you have 2 tracks running vertical, 4 signals, but definitely only space for 2 speed signs (which BTW have to be the same - only 1 type per tile) 22:02:40 <RichK> xeryus - solid more like ;) 22:02:56 <Sacro> now we need yellow signals :P 22:03:04 <XeryusTC> hmm, you could use something like the waypoints 22:06:10 <egladil> hmm. sleep... 22:06:23 <egladil> RichK: if you need more grf updating, just send me the image link 22:06:25 <RichK> egladil: posting patch now 22:06:56 <egladil> ok 22:08:29 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:09:07 <RichK> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=421275#421275 uploaded 22:10:04 *** Zr40_ is now known as Zr40 22:11:23 <DarkSSH> gn all 22:11:33 <RichK> cya 22:11:51 <egladil> will read it tomorrow 22:11:59 <egladil> now i have to get some sleep 22:12:01 <Sacro> night DarkSSH 22:12:01 <egladil> good night 22:12:05 <RichK> gn 22:14:19 <XeryusTC> night DaleStan 22:16:16 <XeryusTC> DarkSSH* 22:17:26 <El-POdiUM> just gotta say that i admire your work guys 22:18:12 <MeusH> hey RichK 22:18:24 <black_Nightmare> ughh *wonders what I am remembering wrong as usual lol* .. trains not going right at station enterance 22:18:35 <black_Nightmare> meh....someone whack me with a openttd manual :p 22:18:39 <MeusH> I've just finished watching The Last of the Mohicans and Passed with the Wind, sorry for absence 22:18:46 <MeusH> I saw the screenie 22:18:53 <MeusH> but I think there is a wrong sprite 22:18:54 * hylje hits black_Nightmare with TFM 22:19:22 <RichK> hi MeusG 22:19:23 <MeusH> I thought sprite #2 would be used, but I saw #3 22:19:28 <RichK> -G +H 22:19:30 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:34 <MeusH> and yeah, I need to add the sprite numbers to the png 22:19:48 <MeusH> Now the sprites are reworked 22:19:52 <MeusH> and they are cleaner 22:20:07 <MeusH> also, the support is one pixel smaller 22:20:51 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|sleep 22:21:15 <RichK> i just asked egladil to grf the one with the three colours... i really like it - its clear and simple 22:24:38 <MeusH> And how about http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1657/speedsignalspre47ta.png ? 22:24:54 <MeusH> There is no orange yet, but it's easier to do and you'll see it in couple of hours 22:24:59 <MeusH> I just need to go sleep now 22:25:09 <MeusH> I'm unable to do anything now :( 22:25:17 <MeusH> I don't even want to wash myself 22:25:18 <RichK> okies :) have a good one 22:27:09 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 22:28:39 <MeusH> goodnight 22:28:40 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Goodbye"] 22:30:58 <RichK> time to go....... 22:31:02 <RichK> gn 22:31:05 *** RichK [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 22:37:17 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:42:57 <Sacro> hmm, film on tv - "Maniac Nurses Find Ecstacy" 22:43:56 <MiHaMiX> hmm 22:44:04 * MiHaMiX rarely watch TV 22:44:11 <MiHaMiX> only when CSI is broadcasted :) 22:45:05 <Bjarni> you want to know if they are on to you so you can make a run for it? 22:45:59 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: you tell it to me? :) 22:51:25 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 22:51:31 * MiHaMiX hates waiting on the server 22:52:17 * MiHaMiX loves being creative :D 22:52:27 *** Xeryus|sleep [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:54:08 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:29 * MiHaMiX just found an idea with which he can boost certain operations by 1000% 22:55:44 * MiHaMiX turns off verbose mode :D 22:57:27 <Sacro> lol 23:00:21 <Bjarni> lol 23:00:49 <MiHaMiX> what's so funny? :P 23:01:00 <Bjarni> <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: you tell it to me? :) <-- actually I meant that could be the reason why you watch CSI on TV 23:01:06 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F139.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:01:21 <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: lol :D 23:01:38 <MiHaMiX> A (bin) images/screenshots/screenshot_manage_2.png 23:03:28 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82554.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:11:38 <MiHaMiX> ok, bye folks, good night 23:12:14 <Bjarni> I just did a great job 23:12:24 <Bjarni> I closed a bug report and opened a new one 23:13:32 <Bjarni> the good thing is that the new one is not as serious as it affects only me (or anybody else compiling universal binaries, which you would only do for distribution) 23:13:39 <Bjarni> I have all the time until next release to fix it 23:15:48 <Sacro> lovely 23:18:34 *** Qrrbrbirlbel_ [n=Qrr@p54A7E5C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:24:17 <Sacro> ftp is sooo slow 23:29:18 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 23:30:28 <Bjarni> not really 23:30:34 <Bjarni> it depends on the server 23:30:40 <Bjarni> anyway goodnight 23:30:54 <Bjarni> Sacro: I recommend that you go to bed as well 23:31:28 <Bjarni> I can't order you, so read the recommendation as an order ;) 23:31:31 <Bjarni> :p 23:32:11 <Sacro> Bjarni: im going soon, just trying to install PHPNuke for a female 23:32:36 <Sacro> also my brother is on the phone to his gf, he doesnt take too kindly to me invading his room 23:36:36 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46aa6.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:36:59 <tank> anyhow... i just have to think about this telephone-sex-scene in american pie or so ;) 23:37:58 *** XeryusTC_ [n=irc@217.123.34.28] has joined #openttd 23:38:03 <Sacro> the 2nd one im guessing? 23:52:36 <tank> don't know which film exactly it was, you know those scene, where (i think) stiffler is listening to the two over the second phone in the house or so :) 23:54:59 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176120002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 23:55:03 <Sacro> yeah, thats the second one 23:56:36 <Sacro> last nightly here was 3396 :s 23:57:03 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"]