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06:34:39 <Celestar> Xeon, Itanium, Itanium 2 ... all utter crap 06:43:13 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:43:13 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:43:18 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:43:33 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-6906.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:43:34 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:43:36 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:43:42 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:43:59 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 06:44:13 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 06:44:34 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:45:17 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:33 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-6906.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 06:48:59 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 06:56:04 <peter1138> what the fuck 06:58:09 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 06:58:32 <peter1138> windows networking still adheres to networking classes? 06:58:57 <peter1138> 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0 = broadcast of 192.168.0.255 06:59:07 <peter1138> 172.16.0.1/255.255.255.0 = broadcast of 172.16.255.255 06:59:55 <Vornicus> evidently 07:00:34 * Fujitsu loves Windows. 07:00:45 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.6.160] has joined #openttd 07:00:54 <Celestar> peter1138: that second seems wrong.... 07:01:05 <Fujitsu> Exactly. 07:01:17 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:03:32 <peter1138> 10.0.0.1/255.255.255.0 = broadcast of 10.255.255.255 07:03:34 <peter1138> *sigh* 07:03:36 <peter1138> wankers 07:03:55 <Fujitsu> Yep. 07:03:59 * Fujitsu huggles Linux. 07:07:10 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openTTD 07:07:52 <Celestar> Mircoshit obviously has tremendous problems computing simple netmasks 07:07:56 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:08:04 * Celestar hugs his BSD-firewall 07:08:22 <Celestar> inet 129.187.45.238 netmask 0xfffffff8 broadcast 129.187.45.239 <= can M$ do something like that? 07:08:31 <Celestar> inet 192.168.9.85 netmask 0xfffffffc broadcast 192.168.9.87 <= or this? 07:09:00 <peter1138> nope 07:09:28 <peter1138> still uses 172.16.255.255 for a /29 07:12:44 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:13:03 <Celestar> :S 07:13:51 * roboboy wonders what happened to his company on brianettas nightly server 07:14:08 * Fujitsu wonders how people can use software with such crippled networking. 07:14:13 * valhallazzzw thinks Finland ate it. 07:14:15 * Fujitsu mourns peter1138. 07:14:19 <Fujitsu> valhallazzzw, true. 07:14:24 <Fujitsu> Finland for ever! 07:14:33 <valhallazzzw> :) 07:15:01 * roboboy thinks F#### you destroyed it somehow 07:15:04 <Prof_Frink> ...finland, finland, finland 07:15:11 <Prof_Frink> The country where I want to be... 07:16:07 <roboboy> F### you is a client on brianettas server and he stole an oil refinery from my old company 07:16:30 <valhallazzzw> 'atole'? 07:16:31 <Prof_Frink> 'stole'? 07:16:37 <valhallazzzw> that called 07:16:44 <valhallazzzw> healthy competition 07:16:44 <Prof_Frink> I didn't realise you could buy industries 07:17:04 <Celestar> peter1138: get a proper OS then :) 07:17:15 <Fujitsu> Celestar, yep. 07:17:32 <roboboy> he blocked my dock off with land and then bought it 07:17:55 * Celestar notes that terraforming prices should be 20-fold for 0.6.0 07:17:55 <Prof_Frink> So do the same to him 07:18:10 <Fujitsu> 20-fold!? 07:18:21 <Celestar> Fujitsu: about, yes 07:18:23 * Prof_Frink notes to to terraform till at least.. 1955 07:18:28 <Fujitsu> Why!? 07:18:41 <roboboy> then i removed it so my ratings didnt get affected and then he stoped anyone from accesing it with a train station 07:18:51 <Celestar> Fujitsu: why not is the question 07:18:58 <Celestar> terraforming is WAAY too cheap 07:18:59 <Fujitsu> True. 07:19:08 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: As long as buildonslopes prices don;t go up 20x as well, that's good 07:19:21 <Fujitsu> But not by /that/ much, surely? 07:19:54 <roboboy> i think the cost for raising land from water at the begining is ok 07:19:56 <Celestar> Prof_Frink: that's something different 07:20:10 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: Oh good. 07:20:26 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 07:20:34 <Celestar> usually, train tracks are adapted to the surrounding environment, not the other way round... 07:21:17 <Prof_Frink> Next we'll be requesting sheer cuttings ;) 07:21:25 <Celestar> hm? 07:21:42 <Prof_Frink> straight down, rather than sloping 07:21:42 <Celestar> IRL railway rely a LOT on bridges and tunnels and stuff 07:21:49 <Celestar> yeah 07:21:53 <Vornicus> depends on where you are. The tracks that run through my town are lifted ten feet off the surrounding landscape by an embankment. 07:24:36 <Celestar> an Embankment is rather common, but also not cheap to build 07:24:46 <Fujitsu> Not very cheap, no. 07:26:42 * Prof_Frink goes for Tea2 07:27:18 <Celestar> Vornicus: but you normally don't see Embankments running miles through the open sea? 07:27:35 * Celestar thinks oil fields should ONLY be accessible by ships and choppers, nothing else 07:27:50 <Vornicus> well, no, you don't. 07:29:31 <Fujitsu> Underground rail! /me hints 07:31:27 <Prof_Frink> Underground to an oil rig? That's crazy talk! 07:31:59 <Fujitsu> No, you just need a nice elevator at the end. 07:32:23 <Prof_Frink> But yes, /bridge and /tunnel would want to be merged before you kick the prices up 07:37:36 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 07:39:17 <Vornicus> ...dangit, I can't find it! 07:40:03 <Fujitsu> What? 07:40:33 <peter1138> i daren't ask 07:42:51 <Vornicus> Alligator Alley! 07:43:01 * Vornicus found it. 07:44:34 <Fujitsu> ...? 07:45:17 <Vornicus> Alligator Alley is a stretch of Interstate 75 that crosses the Everglades. 07:45:37 <Vornicus> It is mostly on artificial land. 07:47:57 <Vornicus> it's like 70 miles long. 07:50:41 <Vornicus> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&ll=26.080221,-81.042023&spn=0.853549,1.392517&t=h&om=1 07:55:23 <Vornicus> ...granted, there's land around most of it, but it's swamp. 07:55:54 <Celestar> . . . 07:56:34 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:56:37 <Vornicus> so they piled crap onto it to make it less swamp, and then built a highway on it. 07:56:37 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:59:17 <peter1138> how ecological 08:00:24 <Vornicus> yeah 08:12:57 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:14:31 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 08:17:05 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 08:17:44 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has joined #openTTD 08:23:26 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:48:45 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 08:53:53 <Celestar> Vornicus: that's something different than deep sea where you normally find Oilrigs 08:58:56 <Celestar> Darkvater: you anywhere near? 09:02:12 <Rubidium> Celestar: 'openttd -t <year> -g' does not work anymore due to the configuration subsystem rewrite of Darkvater. I've got two patches that solve the problem, but I want to know which one is the best solution: 09:02:16 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/fix_cmdline_startingyear.diff 09:02:21 <Rubidium> or http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/fix_cmdline_startingyear_vardef.diff 09:02:28 <Celestar> Rubidium: reading. 09:03:24 <Celestar> hm... 09:03:38 <Celestar> the VARDEF is out of the question imho ^^ 09:04:52 <Rubidium> another option might be adding extern Patches _patches_newgame to settings.h and including settings.h in intro_gui.c and openttd.c 09:06:22 <peter1138> VARDEF bad 09:06:24 <peter1138> extern bad 09:06:32 <peter1138> (except in .h, heh) 09:08:05 <Rubidium> what about http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/fix_cmdline_startingyear_extern1.diff? 09:08:33 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 09:10:36 <Rubidium> or +/** The patch values that are used for new games and/or modified in config file */ 09:10:40 <Rubidium> doh 09:11:04 <Rubidium> http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/fix_cmdline_startingyear_extern2.diff <- essentially the same as extern1, but in settings.h instead of variables.h 09:12:05 <peter1138> yeah 09:12:07 <peter1138> don't use variables.h 09:17:57 <Rubidium> ok, so only extern2 is good enough 09:25:07 <Rubidium> anyone against committing http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/fix_cmdline_startingyear_extern2.diff ? 09:32:49 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:49:51 <Celestar> back 09:50:46 <Celestar> hm .. 09:50:51 <Celestar> it removes two externs from C files 09:50:54 <Celestar> thats not bad 09:51:18 <Rubidium> but it adds extra dependencies 09:51:42 <Celestar> as long as you don't include h files in h files, that's not problem imho 09:54:19 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:54:39 <Celestar> dependecies are a problem if you have headers that include headers that include yet other heads which then include the first header ... 09:54:47 <Celestar> and it all ends up in muddle :S 09:54:51 <peter1138> yeah 09:55:02 <Celestar> peter1138: Tron: RFC on the bridge-draw-correction stuff? 09:59:14 <CIA-3> rubidium * r4944 /trunk/ (intro_gui.c settings.h settings_gui.c): Codechange: make _patches_newgame available via settings.h and remove instances of extern Patches _patches_newgame in .c files 10:00:44 <Rubidium> should the 'make openttd -t <year> -g work again patch' be Change of Fix? 10:02:57 <Celestar> fix 10:03:04 <Celestar> because it is non-working but documented 10:03:33 <peter1138> but never mind; it's not broken in the last release 10:03:48 <Celestar> but it is broken as of now, right? 10:04:37 <Rubidium> it is broken by r3726 (DV's configuration rewrite); it's not in any release 10:05:11 <peter1138> oh, the fix isn't committed yet? 10:05:21 <Rubidium> no, not yet 10:05:30 <Rubidium> I first committed the related cleanup part 10:05:36 <peter1138> in that case something like, "- Fix (r3726):" 10:05:53 <peter1138> iirc 10:06:31 <Rubidium> it's just that I remember reading something about 'Fix' is only for bugs that are in releases too 10:06:59 <peter1138> dunno 10:07:00 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:07:28 <Celestar> Fix is for everything :) 10:07:33 <Rubidium> ok 10:08:28 <CIA-3> rubidium * r4945 /trunk/openttd.c: Fix (r3726): make -t command line option (set starting date/year) work again 10:08:32 <peter1138> peter1138 * r4945 /trunk/ (sound.c sound.h vehicle.c): - Fix: Added newsound support 10:09:05 <Celestar> peter1138: THAT isn't a fix :) 10:09:31 <peter1138> :) 10:09:51 <Celestar> it's not a real commit message either :P 10:10:21 <Celestar> because you have a wrong revision number ^^ 10:10:39 <peter1138> i typed it before Rubidium committed :) 10:11:01 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> grep extern *c */*c */*/*c | wc -l 10:11:02 <Celestar> 126 10:12:31 <Celestar> that'S a bit much, isn't it? 10:13:16 <peter1138> yeah 10:13:17 <peter1138> hmm 10:13:43 <Fujitsu> I would assume so. 10:23:39 * peter1138 cuts it down to 113 by adding rev.h 10:25:21 <Celestar> er what? 10:25:48 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:26:11 <Celestar> oh some files are not actaully part of the rep 10:26:39 <Celestar> bool CheckStoppedInHangar(const Vehicle* v); /* XXX extern function declaration in .c */ 10:26:50 <Darkvater> morning 10:27:21 <Celestar> hi Darkvater 10:27:23 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 10:27:34 <Celestar> Darkvater: why not move declaration of CheckStoppedInHangar into depot.h ? 10:27:36 <Celestar> or airport.h? 10:28:08 <peter1138> Celestar: http://fuzzle.org/o/revh.diff 10:28:40 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:29:21 <Celestar> peter1138: ah 10:29:26 <Darkvater> Celestar: what? When did I do that? 10:29:42 <Celestar> Darkvater: you didn't so it, it was a suggestion ... 10:29:45 <Celestar> s/So/do 10:29:52 <Celestar> s/So/do/i 10:31:02 <Celestar> Darkvater: somehow we need to fix the 2 last outstanding bugs for 0.4.8 10:31:03 <Darkvater> ah hehe ok. Where is it now? 10:31:16 <Darkvater> of which there is only one real the economy thing 10:31:16 <Celestar> aircraft_gui.c:bool CheckStoppedInHangar(const Vehicle* v); /* XXX extern function declaration in .c */ 10:31:24 <Darkvater> the other is nonsense 10:31:41 <Celestar> it'S not really a release-breaker 10:31:55 <Darkvater> which one? 10:32:04 <Celestar> the vehicle selection thingy 10:32:12 <Darkvater> I wouldn't even classify that as a bug 10:32:15 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/166 <= and can we please close this? 10:32:20 <Fujitsu> No matches, Celestar. 10:32:24 <Celestar> Darkvater: technically, it's a bug. 10:32:31 <Celestar> Fujitsu: ? 10:32:37 <Darkvater> yes, more than one week, no reply > close 10:33:27 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176115160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:35 <Celestar> so be it 10:35:34 <Fujitsu> Better. 10:37:46 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/168 <= hm? 10:38:07 <Celestar> peter1138: could you have a look at that? 10:38:36 <Darkvater> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=446221#446221 10:38:38 <Darkvater> hehe 10:39:24 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 10:40:32 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/178 <= comments on this diff? 10:40:43 <Celestar> gl 10:41:02 <Celestar> forums are disfunctional for me 10:41:36 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:43:32 <peter1138> hehe 10:43:36 <peter1138> lots of people dislike elrail 10:43:38 <peter1138> "har har" 10:43:41 <hylje> :E 10:43:58 <Celestar> there will be a cheat that allows e-engine usage on convrail 10:44:04 <Celestar> but methinks that should be it :S 10:44:21 <peter1138> yay, cheat :) 10:44:34 <hylje> hax 10:44:44 <Celestar> where is the cheat gui? :S 10:44:46 <peter1138> then they know what they're doing is bad and wrong 10:45:03 <peter1138> misc_gui 10:45:26 <Celestar> because settings_gui would be more logical? 10:45:54 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46aca.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:45:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:45:55 <Celestar> peter1138: Darkvater: Tron: Request after 0.5.0, rip apart misc_gui.c and main_gui.c and put functions in sane locations 10:46:14 <Darkvater> if only 0.5.0 were anywhere close, eh? :) 10:47:58 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:48:11 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 10:48:22 <Fujitsu> Celestar, your sentence now makes sense. 10:49:14 <Fujitsu> Yes. 10:49:17 <Celestar> Darkvater: depends :) 10:49:24 <Celestar> we could rename 0.4.8 to 0.5.0? 10:49:28 <Celestar> *runs* 10:49:39 <Darkvater> that makes absolutely no sense 10:50:11 <Celestar> I know. 10:50:19 <Celestar> so when to start merging stuff for 0.5.0? 10:50:22 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:50:49 *** SimonRC [i=sc@bylands.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:52:15 <Darkvater> hmm, after 0.4.8 RC1? 10:52:40 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 10:52:50 <Darkvater> bbs, gonna upgraded the firmware on my router 10:52:54 * Darkvater crosses fingers 10:53:15 <peter1138> do we need the 0? 10:53:19 <peter1138> is 0.5 not enough? 10:53:48 <peter1138> (yay, version number arguments again ;p) 10:54:23 <TheMask96> :) 10:54:43 <TheMask96> after 0.5 will you get 0.5.1 or 0.6 ? ;) 10:55:04 <Celestar> 0.5.1 10:55:15 <TheMask96> then 0.5.0 will make more sense ;) 11:01:30 <peter1138> not really 11:02:21 <Celestar> ok who really cares? 11:03:38 <hylje> no 11:05:08 <Celestar> train_cmd.c:2639 does that appear faulty to any of you? 11:05:13 <roboboy> people got confused with the 0's in 0.4.1 so i think we should keep the version numbering system to 3 digits as it is. 11:06:17 <Celestar> wtf? 11:06:24 <Celestar> latest kernel version is 2.6.16.17 11:07:12 <blathijs> damn, you people should stop committing so much 11:07:31 <roboboy> i mean the version number such as 0.4.1 and 0.4.8 11:07:34 <blathijs> it takes so much time reading all the commit logs ;-) 11:07:36 <hylje> ive kernel 2.6.17-rc4 11:07:40 <roboboy> and 0.5.0 11:07:44 <hylje> but it doesnt work 11:10:33 <peter1138> Celestar: should be the same as 2649? 11:15:31 <blathijs> Celestar: it looks okay? I just think 2649 should use the same check as 2639? 11:16:12 <peter1138> no 11:16:27 <peter1138> other way, i'm sure :) 11:17:45 <peter1138> u.rail.compatible_railtypes is for the whole train, u.rail.railtype is for the engine 11:19:10 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:20:13 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:20:59 <White_Rabbit> hi everybody! 11:22:05 <White_Rabbit> (hi, Dr. Nick!) 11:23:01 <blathijs> peter1138: ah, yes :-) 11:23:27 <blathijs> peter1138: but, I think they should both use the wrapper function? 11:23:37 <Celestar> peter1138: IsCompatibleRail takes an engine type 11:23:43 <Celestar> er wrong 11:23:44 <Celestar> damnit 11:23:48 <Celestar> I was in the wrong file :S 11:23:57 * Celestar ought to return to bed 11:24:15 <peter1138> blathijs: what wrapper? 11:24:23 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/echeat.diff <= RFC 11:25:24 <peter1138> +·_railtypes[1].powered_railtypes = 1 << 1 | p1 << 0; 11:25:26 <peter1138> looks wrong 11:25:28 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:25:42 <Bjarni> "I think elrails feature is awful. Both in its present graphic implementation, and in the concept. The fact that it wasn't meant to be optional, makes it twice as awful" <-- some guy named .CHaSE. on the forum wrote that. Like he ever made anything to the game that should validate that he should take decisions like that 11:25:45 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:25:52 <blathijs> peter1138: IsCompatibleRail 11:25:52 <Celestar> peter1138: why's that? 11:25:52 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:26:00 <peter1138> Celestar: you've told it to allow normal engines to be powered on elrails? which is normal... 11:26:05 <Celestar> nope 11:26:09 <Celestar> it's the otherway round 11:26:18 <peter1138> blathijs: that's for railtype vs railtype. compatible_railtypes is a bitmask 11:26:38 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 11:26:47 <peter1138> Celestar: i'd've thought you needed to change normal rail, not elrail though? 11:28:01 <Celestar> negative 11:28:55 <Celestar> new diff, peter1138 11:29:50 <Celestar> _railtypes[RAILTYPE_ELECTRIC].powered_railtypes show one which railtypes an engine of RAILTYPE_ELECTRIC generate power 11:30:14 <Celestar> ~.../** bitmask to the OTHER railtypes on which an engine of THIS railtype generates power */ 11:30:18 <Celestar> ~...RailTypeMask powered_railtypes; 11:30:48 *** Pixelz` is now known as Pixelz 11:32:14 <peter1138> hmm 11:32:18 <Celestar> sonne:~ # ps aux | grep Xvnc | wc -l 11:32:18 <Celestar> 30 11:32:19 <Celestar> :S 11:32:20 <peter1138> seems odd, but there you :) 11:33:11 <peter1138> but if you say so :) 11:33:25 <peter1138> speaking of railtypes 11:33:42 <peter1138> railtype checking for pathfinding over bridges needs to be fixed 11:33:52 <peter1138> and backported 11:35:56 <Celestar> peter1138: is there any official bugreport? 11:40:25 <peter1138> no, there is me saying it's broken from playtesting 11:40:54 <Celestar> but I will for sure not be able to remember it 11:41:24 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/bridgepathfix.diff 11:41:25 <peter1138> or 11:41:32 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/uglypathfix.diff 11:41:41 <peter1138> both of those work, but tron wasn't happy with either 11:42:24 <peter1138> first one skirts over the bridge, as for tunnels 11:42:38 <peter1138> second one just checks the right bits 11:42:53 <Celestar> I'll check later 11:42:59 <Celestar> mail deparement called me 11:43:01 <Celestar> I have 80kg of mail 11:43:14 <Celestar> some workstations ... 11:43:57 <ledow> You must have a very strong postman 11:45:28 <roboboy> gnight 11:45:54 *** Smoky555 [i=ca6zb96b@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 11:45:58 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 11:46:52 * peter1138 ponders lunch break 11:47:00 *** HentaiXP [n=Justin@unaffiliated/hentaixp] has joined #openttd 11:47:41 <White_Rabbit> whoa, what a name 11:48:08 <HentaiXP> Hello White_Rabbit 11:48:43 <peter1138> wow 11:48:49 <peter1138> violent Bjarni :-) 11:48:59 <HentaiXP> yeah openTTD isn't LUA friendly 11:49:17 <White_Rabbit> what's LUA? 11:49:44 <Fujitsu> What about Bjarni and LUA? 11:49:48 <HentaiXP> Limited User Account on win XP 11:50:27 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80B89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:50:34 <Fujitsu> Oh, not Lua as in Lua? 11:50:54 <peter1138> it's not Lua friendly either :) 11:51:12 <Fujitsu> OpenTTD.GPMI is, however. 11:51:38 <peter1138> is it currently playable? 11:52:00 <HentaiXP> now I'll need to add write premissions to the dir 11:52:10 <HentaiXP> Fujitsu, openttd,gpmi is? 11:52:13 <HentaiXP> ,=. 11:52:26 <Fujitsu> Lua, not LUA compatible. 11:53:49 <HentaiXP> Lua as in? 11:54:12 <Prof_Frink> Scripting language 11:54:16 <Fujitsu> Lua as in the programming language. 11:54:19 <Fujitsu> Yes, what Prof_Frink said. 11:54:57 <HentaiXP> ahh ok 11:55:20 <hylje> the windows version isnt, mainly because it saves the games to its directory by default 11:55:46 <hylje> shouldnt it use %HOME% ? 11:55:59 <Fujitsu> Ideally. 11:56:03 <Fujitsu> File a bug! 11:56:35 <HentaiXP> yeah autosave failed is getting anoying, so a runas 11:58:26 *** Serotonin_ [n=not@CPE-72-135-2-46.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:59:12 *** Serotonin_ [n=not@CPE-72-135-2-46.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:58 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:12:23 <Celestar> hey guys 12:12:31 <Celestar> I need a terminal application, for RS-232 conns 12:18:29 <tokai|noir> hyperterminal maybe? 12:18:30 *** robobed [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:18:43 <[Shaman]> I got a stuck train O_O 12:18:50 <[Shaman]> it's literally.. not moving xD 12:19:00 <tokai|noir> Celestar: http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe/index.html 12:19:02 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:19:46 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> [Shaman]: how did you manage to do that? :p 12:21:04 <[Shaman]> Eddi|zuHause: no clue 12:21:21 <[Shaman]> but after crashing it, shortening the station by 1 and replacing removed tile with a depot it's fixed :p 12:21:58 <[Shaman]> 9m/profit a year.. 13 years after start :o 12:22:11 <[Shaman]> not bad for only 2 hubs :P 12:25:32 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:02 <RichK67> hi 12:28:17 <Scia> hello RichK67 12:31:04 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:31:04 <Celestar> tokai|noir: that seems windows only? 12:31:36 <Celestar> bah Tron ping 12:31:57 <Fujitsu> Celestar, minicom? 12:32:02 *** ShadowJK_ is now known as ShadowJK 12:32:12 <Celestar> Fujitsu: trying but somehow I'm not very lucky @ connecting 12:32:24 <Fujitsu> WHat are you trying to connect to? 12:32:24 <RichK67> Celestar: ive been having a though about TGP - it doesnt handle 64x64 at all well - often crashes as it cannot place any town. how about use the old generator for maps with a dimension < 128?? 12:32:54 <Celestar> Fujitsu: a Sun Fire server 12:32:58 <RichK67> (or my preference; lose 64 altogether) 12:33:04 <Fujitsu> Via RS-232!? Silly... 12:33:08 <Celestar> RichK67: people likeit 12:33:12 <Celestar> Fujitsu: by what else? :) 12:33:20 <Fujitsu> Er... Ethernet? 12:33:29 <RichK67> 64? 12:33:40 <Celestar> Fujitsu: that assmues there are configured Ethernet ports in the first place? 12:33:41 <Fujitsu> Yeah, 64x64 is fun! 12:34:10 <RichK67> ok - so we need something non-TGP to generate them tho 12:36:59 <Celestar> hmm I get no response :S 12:37:20 <RichK67> me too ;) 12:40:30 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:21 <Celestar> great 12:41:25 <Celestar> conn established 12:41:28 <Celestar> faulty cable 12:41:37 <Fujitsu> Good, minicom wasn't at fault :D 12:46:22 <Bjarni> <Fujitsu> What about Bjarni and LUA? <--- well, I don't know how to code it. End of story 12:46:38 <Noldo> how to code in lua? 12:46:53 <Bjarni> isn't LUA some sort of coding language/scripting language? 12:47:07 <Bjarni> maybe it means something else as well 12:47:10 <Noldo> yes 12:50:28 <Celestar> great 12:50:33 <Celestar> I got a test server with a root password set 12:53:17 <Celestar> damnit 12:53:41 <Celestar> minicom needs a "connect" button 12:58:17 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:58:41 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:00:13 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:06:10 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye all."] 13:09:42 *** Belugas_Wakes is now known as Belugas_Gone 13:10:33 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 13:11:56 <Bjarni> why can the forums get so odd ideas compared to what happens in this channel??? 13:12:36 <peter1138> heh 13:12:45 <peter1138> what've we done now? 13:13:07 <Bjarni> "remove all catenary in the game", "you can drive with diesel/steam under catenary", "oh, then you don't have to remove it anyway" 13:13:47 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/echeat.diff 13:13:57 <Bjarni> but the removing requests (notice the "s") move towards being downright flaming 13:14:55 <peter1138> Celestar: yeah, problem with that is network games o_O 13:15:28 <Celestar> peter1138: why is that a problem? 13:15:35 <Celestar> it'S a cheat, so there'S no problem? 13:15:59 <glx> yeah cheat are not allowed in multiplayer :) 13:16:13 <Celestar> yes 13:16:17 <Celestar> that's the idea 13:19:08 <peter1138> ah, screw them, they should live with elrails ;) 13:19:21 <Bjarni> yeah 13:19:24 <glx> Celestar: hmm only train power is changed not all consist 13:19:25 <peter1138> if they really dislike it, they can make a grf to change all elrail engines to normal rail 13:19:57 <peter1138> (actually doing that in code might be an easier way to support no elrails) 13:20:03 <Celestar> glx: ? 13:20:03 <peter1138> blimey, sudden downpour 13:20:12 <Bjarni> I'm not sure they dislike it that much after they realised that they can use diesel on elrails 13:20:28 <peter1138> what!? 13:20:31 <Bjarni> so they can replace the tracks without instantly replacing all engines 13:20:44 <glx> Celestar: TrainPowerChanged(v) should be sufficient 13:21:19 <peter1138> glx: rather than modifying the tables that should be const? 13:21:33 <Bjarni> I thought that it was a no brainer to figure out that diesel can run on tracks with catenary, but it appears that the forum failed to figure that out 13:21:40 <peter1138> Bjarni: yeah... 13:21:50 <glx> peter1138: I mean for trains updating after the change 13:22:01 <peter1138> i mean, all the engines are listed in an elrail depot... 13:22:11 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-89-81.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:28:42 * peter1138 ponders increasing handles from 32 to... something else 13:28:55 <peter1138> with newstations, a lot more grfs are available... 13:34:41 <Sionide> is newstations in the nightly? 13:36:21 <peter1138> yes 13:38:47 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 13:43:53 <Celestar> so what now0 13:44:29 <Celestar> commit or no commit for the cheat? 13:46:38 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:48:41 <Celestar> great 13:48:45 <Celestar> mom's freaked up her PC 13:49:59 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:15 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-230-153.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:54:25 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:54:38 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 13:56:27 <ln-> http://www.sonymusiceurope.com/eu/index.php 13:56:46 <Sacro> afternoon all 13:57:48 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.45.251] has joined #openttd 13:58:32 <peter1138> isn't that what mums are for? 13:59:32 <Sacro> dare i ask? 14:00:13 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable065.248-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 14:00:19 <Celestar> running IIS I presume 14:00:27 <Celestar> \o/ I'm in 14:02:06 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:03:00 <Darkvater> success :D 14:05:02 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:05:07 *** Forexs- [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:05:12 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:06:13 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:06:13 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:06:13 *** RoySmeding [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:07:25 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:07:32 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has joined #openttd 14:08:22 *** RoySmeding_ [n=Roy@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 14:12:51 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable065.248-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 14:13:06 <Celestar> Darkvater: opinions on the patch? 14:17:34 *** qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:17:37 <Darkvater> which one? 14:19:43 *** qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:19:48 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:19:51 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/echeat.diff 14:20:09 *** Forexs- is now known as Forexs 14:20:33 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:22:07 <peter1138> go the whole hog and let anything run on anything ;p 14:23:40 <Bjarni> steam on maglev? 14:23:54 <Celestar> peter1138: I will do no such thiong .. 14:24:01 <Bjarni> I would hate to be the fireman, specially if the shovel is magnetic :p 14:24:12 <Celestar> or the coal :P 14:24:36 <Bjarni> yeah, that would make it rather hard to throw it to the far end of the firebox 14:24:46 <Bjarni> ohh, new idea 14:25:14 <Bjarni> magnetic fuel. You can make it levitate in midair and that way ensure that you got a good fresh air flow to it 14:25:40 <Bjarni> even better than the grate the steam locomotives use to get air from underneath the fuel 14:25:57 <peter1138> hehe 14:26:03 <Prof_Frink> Oh yeah, how does openTTD's implementation of elrails cope with battery-powered trains? 14:26:14 <peter1138> Prof_Frink: same as ttdpatch's 14:26:15 <Bjarni> err 14:26:20 <peter1138> they're not electric 14:26:25 <Bjarni> battery powered??? 14:26:31 <Prof_Frink> yup 14:26:36 <peter1138> Bjarni: yes, dbsetxl has one, for example 14:26:38 <Bjarni> what sane person would make battery powered trains??? 14:26:45 <Prof_Frink> Germans. 14:26:47 <Celestar> Bjarni: there are some modules 14:26:49 <peter1138> :D 14:26:57 <Celestar> models 14:27:09 <Celestar> ok how do I restart sshd ... 14:27:15 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:27:26 <Bjarni> oh, for taking care of tasks like the fireless steam engine switchers? 14:27:30 <Prof_Frink> /etc/init.d/ssh restart ? 14:27:40 <Bjarni> killall -9 -1 ? 14:27:42 <Celestar> Prof_Frink: no such file ;) 14:27:45 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:14 <Darkvater> looking 14:28:16 <Celestar> root@T20-1:[/etc]# top 14:28:17 <Celestar> top: Command not found. 14:28:22 <Bjarni> not good 14:28:27 <Celestar> this really is a rather complete installation ;) 14:28:37 *** juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #openttd 14:28:51 <Bjarni> where DO those Germans use battery powered trains? At refineries and other places where you don't want sparks? 14:29:58 <Prof_Frink> I dunno, look on MB's site 14:30:33 <Sacro> Celestar: /etc/rc.d/init.d/sshd restart 14:30:34 <Darkvater> Celestar: /etc/init.d/sshd restart 14:30:40 <Bjarni> haha, google more or less only returned Thomas the tank engine as a battery powered toy 14:31:03 <Darkvater> Celestar: assuming you use suse 10.1 14:31:34 <peter1138> Bjarni: "EP1/E62" 14:31:53 <peter1138> hmm 14:31:56 <peter1138> not that one 14:32:01 <peter1138> why did i pick that one ;p 14:32:19 <peter1138> oh, saw "bav" and read it as bat ;p 14:32:32 <peter1138> BR515 14:32:39 <Darkvater> Celestar: echeat.diff < what's with the whole replacement -+ of the CheatEntry table? 14:32:42 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:32:43 <peter1138> 49 tons or battery powered engine, heh 14:32:46 <peter1138> *of 14:33:14 <Darkvater> where the heck did this guy run off to now? 14:33:15 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E92C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 14:33:20 <Darkvater> he asks for feedback and then just quites 14:33:24 <Darkvater> quits even 14:33:26 <peter1138> again! 14:33:44 <peter1138> Bjarni: http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/br515_2.html 14:33:47 <Darkvater> peter1138: any progress on UTF-8 input? 14:34:00 *** Celestar [n=Jadzia_D@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:00 <Darkvater> or at least something I can plug windows functionality into? 14:34:02 <peter1138> no, i had a lazy weekend 14:34:03 <Celestar> GNAAH 14:34:12 <Celestar> please post a backlog 14:34:40 <Darkvater> Celestar: I don't like the english string for the cheat. It is confusing and not clear. Eg something like 'Allow electric rains to run on normal rail' 14:34:49 <Darkvater> 16:32 < Darkvater> Celestar: echeat.diff < what's with the whole replacement -+ of the CheatEntry table? 14:35:02 <Celestar> Darkvater: whitespace 14:35:07 <Celestar> so that it remains aligned 14:35:07 <Darkvater> whatfor? 14:35:11 <Darkvater> it was aligned 14:35:20 <Bjarni> so those battery powered vehicles are electric engines without catenary, but with a limited range and a lot of time out of service to recharge... not ideal 14:35:30 <Celestar> or right 14:35:35 <Celestar> I changed some variables 14:35:45 <Bjarni> 49 tons.... 5-10 tons of batteries? 14:36:28 <Bjarni> I mean, it takes half a ton of batteries to start a diesel locomotive and it will not last many minutes at that load 14:36:34 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/ottd/echeat.diff <= bettery? 14:36:38 <Celestar> :) 14:36:48 <Darkvater> wtf I can't change my background? It just ignores it 14:37:09 <Darkvater> much, much better 14:37:18 <Celestar> root@T20-1:[/usr/X/bin]# xclock 14:37:19 <Celestar> xclock: Command not found. 14:37:24 <Darkvater> although the assert is kinda useless 14:37:32 <Celestar> Darkvater: is it? 14:37:35 <Darkvater> the type is bool so it can only be 0 or 1 14:37:49 <Celestar> anything else? 14:38:00 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I once set it to automatically change the background each 5th sec, and then each 5th minute and it kept doing it each 5th sec. Kind of annoying. After I deleted the pref file, it started to be controlable and working correctly again 14:38:03 <Darkvater> yes, I'd like some chocolate :) 14:38:09 <Bjarni> so in short: pref file corruption 14:38:16 <Celestar> Darkvater: I can't commit chocolate 14:38:23 <Celestar> but shall I commit this cheat? 14:38:23 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I think it got confused cause I set the wallpeper when I had tv-out active 14:38:32 <Bjarni> ahh 14:38:46 <Bjarni> then you set the wallpaper on the virtual monitor you can't see 14:38:50 <Bjarni> or something 14:38:53 <Darkvater> I can't 14:38:56 <Darkvater> cause I can't see it 14:39:12 <Darkvater> Celestar: looks ok 14:39:30 <Bjarni> corrupted pref file. You set it to monitor 2, while you only got 0 (monitor) and 1 (TV) 14:39:35 <Bjarni> now that would suck 14:39:42 <Celestar> root@T20-1:[/usr/X/bin]# smc 14:39:43 <Celestar> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: com/sun/management/viperimpl/console/BaseConsoleOptionsManager (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0) 14:39:46 <Celestar> wee 14:39:50 <Celestar> Darkvater: go or no go? 14:40:17 <Darkvater> Bjarni: what's this pref file called? 14:40:21 <Darkvater> I say go if it works 14:40:27 <Bjarni> in your system... I have no idea 14:41:07 <Bjarni> it's ~/Library/prefs/com.apple.desktop.plist or something like that in OSX 14:41:13 <Darkvater> brb, apple-pie is almost ready L:D 14:41:24 <CIA-3> celestar * r4946 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt misc_gui.c rail.h railtypes.h variables.h): "Feature": Add a cheat that allows running electric engines on normal rail 14:41:55 <Bjarni> like warm apple pie 14:42:06 <Bjarni> no wonder he hurries to catch it while it's warm :p 14:43:01 <Bjarni> Celestar: I would hate to use such a cheat, but then again I only use cheats to test my patches 14:43:38 <glx> money cheat is usefull to test things :) but only for that 14:43:51 <peter1138> money cheat and date cheat 14:44:09 <glx> yes date too to have more vehicles :) 14:46:08 <Bjarni> or player one. We once had a bug report from a MP game where it was player 2 or 3, who had the problem 14:46:32 <Celestar> the player cheat is great 14:46:43 <Celestar> especially when debugging AI shit :P 14:47:04 <Bjarni> yeah, make the AI build clever stuff and then it will be so confused that it can't figure out to continue 14:47:25 <Darkvater> Celestar: don't forget the savegame 14:47:28 <Darkvater> shit too late 14:47:33 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E92C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Leaving."] 14:47:34 <Celestar> Darkvater: ? 14:47:46 <Darkvater> savegame bump, cheats are saved 14:47:59 <Celestar> you need to bump the revision for that as well? :o 14:48:25 <glx> to re-modify railtype on load I think 14:48:48 <Celestar> Darkvater: so bump now? 14:48:56 <Darkvater> wait lemme look 14:51:23 <glx> Celestar: if you activate the elrail cheat and start a new game, is _railtypes reset ? 14:51:35 <Darkvater> hmm seems it's not necessary 14:51:38 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:52:38 <Celestar> glx: find out please 14:52:43 * Celestar gotta go 14:52:50 <glx> ok 14:54:23 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:59:53 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:19:23 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:21:07 *** Pink_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:21:50 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:22:18 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:24:44 <Darkvater> hmm can I commit to 2 branches at the same time in the same commit? 15:26:32 <Darkvater> hmm apparently I can 15:26:37 <peter1138> technically, yes 15:26:49 <peter1138> it's just directories... 15:26:51 <peter1138> but should you? :p 15:27:11 <Darkvater> isn't it easier than doing 2 consecutive commits one to trunk/ and another branch/0.4? 15:27:30 <Darkvater> good you're here though 15:27:42 <peter1138> am i ever not here? 15:27:44 <Darkvater> peter1138: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=445603#445603 < which one of the three if any and if all should still go into 0.4.8 15:27:54 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-2441.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:29:45 <peter1138> hmm, iirc they're all pretty simple 15:30:04 <peter1138> otoh, the third is a feature not a bug fix 15:30:21 <Darkvater> I know but still thought it might be handy, that's why it's there 15:30:29 <peter1138> btw, that railtype fix for level crossings... there's a similar problem for bridges too 15:32:42 <Sacro> Darkvater: s/exclamation/question :)_ 15:34:07 <Darkvater> peter1138: bridges don't have level crossings ;p 15:35:15 <peter1138> Darkvater: no, but they do have different track type on and below the bridge 15:35:29 <peter1138> and currently it doesn't check 15:35:34 <peter1138> ... 15:35:38 <peter1138> and currently it doesn't check the right one 15:35:51 <peter1138> of course, it could just ignore the railtype *on* a bridge 15:38:20 <Darkvater> well it does check the ramp, doesn't it? 15:38:40 <Darkvater> checking anything else is kinda moot 15:39:41 *** rain``` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 15:40:01 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:40:19 <[Shaman]> [Darkvater]: checking anything else is kinda moot << If the track-converting thing converts an entire bridge at once then, you don't need railtypes on a bridge. 15:40:54 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:41:17 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:41:18 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 15:42:45 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:44:51 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4716.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:46:17 * Brianetta explodes messilly, showering the channel in viscera and goo 15:46:22 <peter1138> nice 15:46:32 <peter1138> Darkvater: yes, exactly 15:47:01 <peter1138> Darkvater: but we do. currently it always checks the railtype under the bridge 15:48:48 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 15:52:07 <Brianetta> Industrial stations ar eback in my nightly 15:53:18 <Sacro> w00t :D 15:53:29 <Brianetta> so the password changed again 15:53:37 <Brianetta> and there's a tenth rule 15:53:46 <Brianetta> which sucks 15:53:46 <TheMask96> what's a Industrail station? 15:53:50 <Brianetta> I didn't want loads of rules 15:54:34 <Brianetta> TheMask96: A bunch of stations in a pack which are graphically designed to look like commercial industrial loading nad unloading facilities 15:55:21 <TheMask96> ok... so just some other images? 15:55:31 <Brianetta> Well, not quite 15:55:41 <Brianetta> but they are eye candy, yes 15:55:48 <TheMask96> tried to google for it, but it didn't show anything ;) 15:55:55 <Brianetta> I posted several shots in the pictures thread 15:59:15 <TheMask96> kewl :) 16:07:40 <Sacro> Brianetta: 10th rule? 16:08:17 <Brianetta> Sacro: There were nine 16:08:24 <Brianetta> Now there is a tenth 16:08:26 * Sacro didnt know there was rules... 16:08:34 <Brianetta> What does the welcome message say? 16:08:46 <Brianetta> What does the page where you get the password from say? 16:08:50 * Brianetta sighs 16:10:31 <Brianetta> I wouldn't need rule 10 16:10:34 <Brianetta> but 16:11:01 <Brianetta> until the server has some means of saving the passwords, there's scope for idiocy 16:11:18 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-3365.lns2-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:11:24 *** Pink_Rabbit is now known as White_Rabbit 16:11:45 <Brianetta> devs, isn't there any way that passwords for companies could be written into a file that accompanies the saved game? It's only for dedicated servers, after all 16:12:04 <White_Rabbit> I'd also like people to have more control over their own companies, even without a password 16:12:20 <Brianetta> Kicking off other players, etc? 16:12:34 <Brianetta> The server supports making people into spectators 16:12:42 <Brianetta> because it does that at bankruptcy 16:12:54 <Brianetta> so having a command that could do that would be neat 16:14:23 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:15:21 <Darkvater> peter1138: the PF checks the railtype when on a bridge? 16:16:59 <Brianetta> So, what's next for OpenTTD? 16:17:07 <valhallazzzw> Brianetta: rule 10 is pretty logical I would think? 16:17:10 <Brianetta> Trains that go backwards? 16:17:26 <valhallazzzw> that would be cool 16:17:28 <peter1138> Darkvater: yes 16:17:36 <Brianetta> valhallazzzw: It is, but if passwords were saved by the server when I updated, the vandals wouldn't have access to companies or their funds 16:18:04 <valhallazzzw> true 16:18:07 <valhallazzzw> btw Brianetta 16:18:09 <valhallazzzw> north (top left) to south (bottom right) <--? 16:18:32 <glx> Celestar: as I though, _railtypes is not reset when you start a new game after the cheat was activated 16:19:02 <Brianetta> valhallazzzw: Yes? 16:19:20 <Brianetta> The top left of the map is north 16:19:37 <Brianetta> although some people think it's north west 16:19:51 <Brianetta> I'm trying to hammer in some consistency 16:20:07 <Brianetta> so that if and when they drift over to #openttdcoop the compass is second nature 16:20:12 <valhallazzzw> yeah 16:20:28 <valhallazzzw> but I don't think top left and bottom right are the best ways to describe it ;) 16:20:33 <Brianetta> I do 16:20:43 <valhallazzzw> mkay 16:21:38 <Darkvater> peter1138: so why does it still work in all cases? 16:23:03 <White_Rabbit> I thought north was top-right? 16:23:15 <White_Rabbit> that's how OTTD names stations 16:23:15 <Sacro> White_Rabbit: me too 16:23:18 *** Serotonin_ [n=not@CPE-72-135-2-46.kc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 16:24:00 <Brianetta> White_Rabbit: I am followin #openttdcoop convention. 16:26:35 <Darkvater> hmm 16:26:45 * Darkvater has troubles committing to multiple branches at the same time 16:27:59 <argonel> was there an issue in 0.4.7 where the quantity of sea/lakes was ignored? 16:29:24 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:36:16 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:37:15 <peter1138> Darkvater: it doesn't 16:37:35 <peter1138> Darkvater: of course, it works if the rail type below is compatible 16:37:44 <Brianetta> Back later... 16:37:45 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tsch??"] 16:37:46 <Darkvater> hmm 16:38:02 <peter1138> the train controller still works, of course 16:38:08 <Darkvater> so you are telling me a train doesn't go over a conventional rail bridge if there is maglev rail below it? 16:38:12 <peter1138> it just won't find a path 16:38:26 <peter1138> yes 16:39:04 <Darkvater> hmm why did I never experience this? 16:39:15 <peter1138> perhaps you have better networks than me? :) 16:39:31 <Darkvater> :) 16:40:23 <White_Rabbit> uh oh...animated engines are no longer animated in OTTD :| 16:40:41 <hylje> :< 16:40:46 <Darkvater> no it works 16:40:49 * Darkvater checks trunk/ 16:41:20 <White_Rabbit> yes, it should work and I've seen it 16:41:37 <White_Rabbit> but I'm using r4943 and they're no longer animated 16:41:55 <hylje> so they just slide along the rail 16:43:12 *** ector-- [n=meloditr@ygun.brg.sgsnet.se] has joined #openttd 16:44:19 <CIA-3> Darkvater * r4947 / (branch/0.4/openttd.c trunk/openttd.c): - Fix [FS#145]: Starting scenarios did not adhere to local difficulty settings 16:44:20 <Darkvater> tdaa 16:46:05 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:50:55 *** CmdKewin [n=cmdkewin@212.243.72.197] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 16:51:46 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:52:34 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:52:54 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:55:55 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:57:28 <peter1138> White_Rabbit: which set? 16:57:56 <peter1138> White_Rabbit: we support x/y pos animation (old hacky style), but not motion_counter animation (new preferred style) 16:58:00 <White_Rabbit> US set 16:58:09 <White_Rabbit> the Berkshire there should be animated, but its pistons are no longer moving 16:59:44 <peter1138> which is the berkshire? 16:59:57 <peter1138> can't see it here 17:00:44 <White_Rabbit> the 'Class F Berkshire' is available in temperate only, after 1927 17:00:55 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has joined #openttd 17:01:52 *** Andrew67 [i=andrew67@206.248.80.224] has quit [Client Quit] 17:06:12 <peter1138> "allow electric engines to run on normal rail" should perhaps mark the whole screen dirty 17:06:21 <peter1138> or just vehicle purchase lists 17:12:44 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 17:12:44 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 17:13:05 *** Tefad [n=tefad@unaffiliated/tefad] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:13:21 *** Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Hallo, CIA-3, guru3, dfox, Gussoh 17:13:23 *** Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: qball, ^Cartman^, Forexs, KUDr_wrk 17:13:26 *** Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Dred_furst, raspi, LIIT, Mek, ZsoL, Matt-W, vondel, ShadowJK, DjViper, Noldo, (+11 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 17:13:44 *** Netsplit over, joins: Morlark, Dred_furst, ^Cartman^, qball, Forexs, Hallo, KUDr_wrk, guru3, ShadowJK, Hendikins (+20 more) 17:13:44 *** Tefad [n=tefad@va-chrvlle-cad1-bdgrp1-4b-b-116.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:48 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:18 *** Kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:14:22 *** Kjetil [i=kjetil@81.166.7.161] has joined #openttd 17:19:06 *** juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has quit [Success] 17:24:02 *** RichK67_ [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has left #openttd [] 17:28:15 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:29:12 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:34:02 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E104.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:11 <Sacro> hmm, guet the feeling youve missed something 17:40:27 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:42:52 *** TL|Away [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 17:46:23 *** TL|Away [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:32 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:49:42 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:58 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:50:03 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 17:50:29 *** Antitheus [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:50:33 *** Antitheus [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:50:44 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944D5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:49 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 17:56:09 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80B89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 17:56:28 <Darkvater> peter1138: I have no idea what you are talking about 17:56:45 <Darkvater> peter1138: trains with conventional bridges but for example monorail below still go voer the bridge 17:56:54 <Darkvater> both in 0.4.7, trunk and branch/0.4 17:57:11 *** Zahl22 [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-239-133.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:14 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:50 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 17:58:03 <peter1138> Darkvater: the *trains* go over, yes 17:58:08 <peter1138> but the *pathfinder* doesn't 17:59:29 <Darkvater> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/161 17:59:30 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 17:59:31 <Darkvater> you mean this bug? 17:59:49 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:00:22 <peter1138> dunno, never looked at it 18:01:19 <Darkvater> ah see the problem. seems to affect old PF only though 18:02:13 <peter1138> yes 18:02:13 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:02:53 <Darkvater> I wonder why this was never reported 18:03:02 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 18:03:20 <Belugas> hey there 18:04:14 <Belugas> Darkvater, installing msvs 2005 ahs exactly the same steps as for v6, right? 18:04:27 <Belugas> I mean same libs, same config and all.. 18:04:53 <Darkvater> Belugas: you don't need the directx SDK I think but otherwise it's the same 18:04:54 <peter1138> Darkvater: i guess most people upgrade in one go 18:05:02 <peter1138> i only found it because i had lost trains, heh 18:05:03 <Darkvater> just copy headers/libs and you're set 18:06:25 <Darkvater> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/182 18:07:42 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:08:13 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has joined #openttd 18:08:31 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-165-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:08:44 <peter1138> Darkvater: for my next trick... 18:08:59 <Darkvater> hmm I wonder how this can be solved 18:09:10 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/uglypathfix.diff http://fuzzle.org/o/uglypathfix2.diff http://fuzzle.org/o/bridgepathfix.diff 18:09:12 <Darkvater> how does the function know in what direction you want to check for compatibility? 18:10:01 <peter1138> take your pick, or improve 18:12:24 <Brianetta> From the next time I restart the game on my nightly, I think I'll begin logging the IP addresses and names of everybody who joins the game. 18:12:34 <Brianetta> This information I will use to become a ban-happy admin-ogre. 18:13:07 <Brianetta> I'm tired of visiting my nightly server to see vast oceans with embanked railway lines crossing it. 18:13:22 <Darkvater> :) 18:13:46 <Darkvater> peter1138: so what are these tricks? 18:13:46 <Brianetta> Darkvater: Perhaps if Terragenesis was made core, people would think it was too pretty to flatten? 18:13:48 <Brianetta> Nah 18:13:54 <Brianetta> Of course they wouldn't 18:14:43 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:13 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 18:17:23 <peter1138> Darkvater: well, they each get around the issue 18:17:35 <Darkvater> ah the above issue? 18:17:39 <peter1138> yea 18:18:13 <RichK67> lol 18:18:15 <Darkvater> hmm I needa check this in trunk/ 0.4 has too much magic 18:18:29 <RichK67> TGP has some ... errr.... issues with 64x64 ;) 18:18:42 <peter1138> it's the same in 0.4, heh 18:18:53 <Darkvater> yes but it's all *magic* there 18:18:58 <Darkvater> GB( magic :) 18:19:40 <Sacro> i spy a wiki problem - Compiling on MinGW 18:20:33 <RichK67> wiki - Where Ignorance Kills Intellect ;) 18:20:33 <Sacro> can anyone tell me where to get "wget" from... cos without that I cant download zlib or pnglib 18:21:20 <LIIT> http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/ 18:21:48 <Darkvater> it's probably in your cygwin install program 18:21:50 <Darkvater> selectable 18:21:51 <Sacro> LIIT: never mind - theres links to the actual tar.bz2's needed 18:22:03 <Sacro> Darkvater: im using MinGW/Msys rather than cygwin 18:22:18 <Darkvater> it's probably in your mingw install program 18:22:32 <LIIT> ahh, I was thinking you were in Linux :-) 18:22:47 <Sacro> LIIT: laptop is, desktop can be 18:22:54 <RichK67> Brianetta: ping 18:23:00 <Darkvater> I think people usin cygwin are sad 18:23:37 <|Jeroen|> yeah 18:23:40 <Brianetta> RichK67: 18:23:44 <Brianetta> ew 18:23:51 <Brianetta> new theme, and I can't see the input box on xchat 18:23:57 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181120105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:08 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3EFF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:14 <Darkvater> hi Tron_ 18:25:43 <Sacro> Darkvater: i ran from cygwin when i saw KDE, GNOME and XFCE as options 18:26:17 <Darkvater> he 18:27:22 <Prof_Frink> It's only a matter of time until cygwin has WINE as an option 18:27:58 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: or vice versa 18:28:38 <Sacro> though cygwin/MinGW under wine would be useful for cross compilation 18:29:15 <Darkvater> peter1138: I think I prefer uglypathfix[2].diff 18:29:31 <Darkvater> the other doesn't fit into the current NTP code-philosophy 18:31:31 *** Zerot_ is now known as Zerot 18:31:54 <Sacro> that sounds like an oxymoron... 18:32:05 <peter1138> *nod* 18:32:25 <Darkvater> can't decide about 1 or 2 though 18:33:08 <Darkvater> perhaps 2 18:33:46 <Darkvater> hehe "My first patch ever :) - More than 32(30) GRF files." < funny 18:34:20 <peter1138> :) 18:36:30 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:37:26 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:28 <Darkvater> peter1138: shall I flip a coin or you'll pick one? 18:38:21 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F81D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:41:53 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:42:00 <Darkvater> fine, quit then 18:42:02 <Darkvater> jezus 18:42:08 <Darkvater> no need to take it personally 18:42:20 <Darkvater> glx: the startupeconomy() fix worked like a charm :) 18:42:48 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:32 <Brianetta> peter1138: Tonight's nightly is a TGP map if you fancy a go (: 18:43:34 <Darkvater> well lookwho's back... 18:43:40 <peter1138> power cut 18:43:45 <peter1138> what did i miss? 18:43:46 <Darkvater> yeah they all say that 18:43:54 <peter1138> i saw a highlight, but couldn't switch 18:43:58 <Darkvater> when'd you leave? 18:44:17 <Darkvater> 20:37 < Darkvater> peter1138: shall I flip a coin or you'll pick one? 18:44:17 <Darkvater> 20:38 -!- Tron [n=tron@p54A3F81D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:44:20 <Darkvater> 20:41 -!- peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:44:23 <Darkvater> 20:42 < Darkvater> fine, quit then 18:44:26 <Darkvater> 20:42 < Darkvater> jezus 18:44:29 <Darkvater> 20:42 < Darkvater> no need to take it personally 18:44:57 <peter1138> heh 18:46:41 <[Shaman]> lol 18:47:50 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:48:28 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181090043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:48:58 <[Shaman]> ooOOooo my mini_IN crashed 18:48:59 <[Shaman]> openttd: tile.h:39: TileHeight: Assertion `tile < MapSize()' failed. 18:50:10 <Bjarni> Darkvater: it is personal, but they don't dare to say it to your face :p 18:50:30 * Bjarni wonders what the coinflip was all about 18:51:36 <Bjarni> [Shaman]: it's a modified source, so talk to the patch makers/guy, who compiled this for you about this 18:51:43 <Darkvater> Bjarni: whaat? 18:52:13 <[Shaman]> Bjarni: I compiled it myself.. dunno if you have logs of last night, but i remember 0 from it :P 18:52:23 <[Shaman]> maybe it explains the amount of emty beer bottles as well 18:54:59 <Sacro> [Shaman]: yeah, you where a bit drunk 18:55:06 <[Shaman]> Sacro: Heh. 18:55:31 <[Shaman]> Clueless about what caused this assert.. then again, I never was anything but clueless :P 18:55:55 <Sacro> and drunk :P 18:56:59 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: whaat? <-- mini_IN is a modified source, right ;) 18:57:27 <Bjarni> Sacro: is [Shaman] a friend of yours? 18:57:35 <Bjarni> or relative? 18:57:40 <[Shaman]> Bjarni: Don't even know the guy :P 18:58:03 <[Shaman]> He seemed to be helpfull last night though, seeing the amount of times I asked him things. 18:58:08 <Bjarni> clueless + drunk... somehow I would not be surprised if you were related 18:58:16 * [Shaman] chuckles 18:58:28 <peter1138> Darkvater: this FS168 is a bit strange 18:58:45 <peter1138> if i tell it to ignore drawing the bad sprite, it works (obviously) 18:58:53 <peter1138> but there is no gap where a sprite would have been :s 18:59:16 <peter1138> hmm, maybe it's random 18:59:48 <Darkvater> is it a bad sprite? 19:00:29 <Darkvater> this assertion and the likes have been there for quite some time 19:00:44 <anboni> is YAPF supposed to function the same way as NPF, or are there supposed to be differences between the two (for instance with trackselection on a station)? 19:00:48 <peter1138> in this particular case it's an empty entry in the GRF 19:01:01 <Sacro> hmm, dont u hate it when you double click on a .zip file and the PC bsods and reboots 19:01:25 <peter1138> Darkvater: it used to happen with the arctic set, but that was fixed long ago 19:01:32 <KUDr> anboni: there can be many differences 19:01:45 <Sacro> Bjarni: OI :P 19:01:47 <tank_> Sacro: how the hell do you do that? 19:01:56 <Sacro> tank_: what? 19:02:13 <Bjarni> Sacro: don't know that one, but I got another issue kind of like that. My computer wants to open certain files in a hex editor 19:02:14 <tank_> well, thos thing with zip-files and reboot:) 19:02:24 <[Shaman]> Sacro: If you manage to do that, yer doing something -really- good :P 19:02:27 <Bjarni> no, I don't want to open .gz files in a hex editor :p 19:02:34 <anboni> KUDr: want to know about specifics in a situation that was designed to do some loadbalancing? (the result of the current design is that NPF balances a lot better than YAPF) 19:02:57 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni: OI :P <-- what? 19:03:03 <Sacro> i think it was just coincidence, it was an IRQL_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL 19:03:19 <KUDr> anboni: then enter new bug report 19:03:25 <[Shaman]> I think he didn't like the comparisson, Bjarni. 19:03:26 <anboni> willdo 19:03:49 <Bjarni> Sacro: so did I scare you off IRC for days? (again) 19:03:51 <anboni> (just not sure if it's a bug in yapf code or in my track design :) ) 19:04:02 <Bjarni> I didn't really intend to do that 19:04:05 <Bjarni> not now 19:04:09 <Sacro> n[19:58:36] <Bjarni> clueless + drunk... somehow I would not be surprised if you were related 19:04:10 <Bjarni> and not last time either 19:04:14 <Sacro> that ^^^ 19:04:34 <KUDr> anboni: no problem, just set email notification so we can discuss it there 19:04:39 <Bjarni> you mean you aren't drunk? 19:04:48 <anboni> KUDr: ok:) 19:05:17 <Bjarni> I guess it's due to the fact that the shops are closed when you are awake... and you risk getting sunlight on you if you go shopping for beer 19:05:19 <Bjarni> :p 19:05:22 * Bjarni hides 19:05:30 <Belugas> Darkvater : msvs 2005 works like msv6 in a matter of installation. It needs DirectX SDK too. Only difference : the directX include/lib should be set at the end of the paths, not at the beginning 19:05:36 <Sacro> Bjarni: i'm teetotal 19:05:50 <Bjarni> wtf is teetotal? 19:05:59 <peter1138> Darkvater: this is a buggy grf 19:06:09 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 19:06:26 <peter1138> (hmm, but why should it break in arctic but not temperate 19:06:27 <peter1138> ) 19:06:45 <Bjarni> peter1138: then write that in the bug report and report it to the creator of the grf file 19:06:54 <Sacro> Bjarni: i dont drink 19:07:07 <Belugas> +`1345-- 19:07:10 <Bjarni> Sacro: ok, there goes that theory 19:07:18 <Bjarni> only the vampire theory remains 19:07:24 * Bjarni goes to get some garlic 19:07:25 <Sacro> Bjarni: i do go out...sometimes 19:07:40 <Bjarni> o_O 19:07:43 <Sacro> oooh, i like garlic 19:08:11 * Bjarni gets his long sword +5 19:08:31 <Bjarni> that should ensure that you will not harm me 19:08:54 * Sacro gets his +6 electromagnet 19:09:02 <Bjarni> lol 19:09:08 <peter1138> Bjarni: it's also a bug in ottd 19:09:19 <peter1138> Bjarni: it *should* break in both cases 19:09:30 <peter1138> it's a steamer 19:09:35 <peter1138> it has the multihead flag set 19:09:54 *** Bringuh [n=no@pD9E2DA47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:55 <Bjarni> how is that possible? 19:10:06 <Bjarni> should it have a steam engine in both ends of the train? 19:10:25 <Sacro> ive never seen that before 19:10:28 * Bjarni have seen trains like that in real life 19:10:40 <Bjarni> they use them in Germany once in a while 19:11:17 <Bjarni> but those are normal steam locomotives and because the tracks don't allow them to move an engine from one end of the train to the other one at the end of the line, they got one in both ends 19:11:55 <Bjarni> then only the front one operates and the rear one is dead weight. No commercial railroad would do that through 19:12:20 <Bjarni> they would figure out a way to make the trains run with only one engine 19:12:34 <Bjarni> like placing more switches and stuff like that 19:13:05 <Bjarni> peter1138: so the multihead flag is a mistake from the grf creator, right? 19:13:35 <peter1138> looks like it 19:13:36 <peter1138> it's engine 24 19:13:44 <peter1138> the original is the SH '40' 19:13:47 <peter1138> which isn't multihead 19:14:08 <peter1138> hmm 19:14:11 <peter1138> unless 19:14:28 <Bjarni> you got an i386. Decode the grf and read the flags for engine 24 19:15:22 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 19:16:18 <Bjarni> <peter1138> unless <-- usually such a line is followed by a statement, so I'm still waiting ;) 19:16:19 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:16:45 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:22:40 <peter1138> yup, it definitely sets the dual head flag 19:23:31 <Bjarni> so the rear engine gets sprite+1 and that one is borked? 19:24:10 <Bjarni> try to remove that flag and reincode and see what happens 19:24:16 <Bjarni> it should work... in theory 19:25:12 <peter1138> yeah 19:25:16 <peter1138> cos it's a gui sprite 19:25:19 <peter1138> so it's not been drawn 19:25:37 <peter1138> there are many other bugs with offsets in this grf 19:26:08 <Bjarni> OTTD should validate that sprites from a grf that should be drawn really is drawable sprites 19:26:44 <Bjarni> and reject the whole GRF as buggy with a red error box instead of a crash 19:28:26 <peter1138> this sprite is never meant to be drawn 19:28:33 <peter1138> anyway 19:28:36 <Bjarni> yeah, that's what I meant 19:28:52 <peter1138> no, you meant it should be rejected 19:29:31 <peter1138> looks like this is using multihead to draw a tender 19:29:40 <peter1138> without using the articulated engine callback 19:29:42 <peter1138> however 19:29:47 <peter1138> the gui sprite is fucked up 19:29:49 <Bjarni> when loading a grf, it should make a list of sprites it will draw and verify that they are drawable before continuing. If it detects that a vehicle or whatever intend to draw a sprite that is not meant to be drawn, then it should reject the grf 19:29:54 <peter1138> (because it's empty) 19:30:30 <Bjarni> rejecting instead of crashing the game when it tries to draw the sprite anyway 19:30:37 <peter1138> also, it's fuck up because dual head engines are, obviously, at each end of the train 19:30:40 <peter1138> +ed 19:30:48 <Bjarni> yeah 19:30:49 <peter1138> Bjarni: we can ignore the bad sprite 19:30:50 <peter1138> but... 19:31:06 <peter1138> by the time it's being drawn, the grf is already loaded 19:31:25 <Bjarni> I meant when it detects that it should load the sprite, long before it tries to draw it 19:31:40 <Bjarni> err 19:31:41 <peter1138> Bjarni: er, you don't know how the sprite cache works, do you? 19:31:46 <Bjarni> 2nd try to say that 19:31:49 <peter1138> it loads the sprite just before drawing it... 19:32:36 <Bjarni> hmm 19:32:56 <Bjarni> you know more about this than I do 19:33:01 <peter1138> i know :) 19:33:36 <peter1138> we *could* check the sprites when loading the grf file, but 1) there is nothing to mark a palette map sprite from a normal sprite 19:33:37 <Sacro> hmm http://www.b3tards.com/uploads/the-living-world.jpg 19:33:37 <Bjarni> still, I would like if we got a grf validation check when it opens the file for loading 19:33:53 <peter1138> 2) just because there is a sprite doesn't mean it will ever ever be drawn 19:34:09 <peter1138> e.g. 19:34:22 <peter1138> some times sets use different graphics for the purchase list 19:34:26 <peter1138> to show, e.g. tenders 19:34:42 <peter1138> now, the purchase list is only ever drawn going west 19:34:46 <[Shaman]> meh 19:34:50 <peter1138> so there's no point drawing sprites for the other directions 19:34:52 <[Shaman]> how come the server isn't being advertised :/ 19:35:05 <peter1138> so that's a valid use of empty sprites 19:35:40 <Bjarni> [Shaman]: advertising turned off or firewall? 19:36:09 <Bjarni> peter1138: you are making this complicated compared to my original idea :/ 19:36:09 <[Shaman]> no and no :/ 19:36:24 <peter1138> which was what? 19:36:27 <[Shaman]> normal server works, mini_IN with same network settings fails 19:36:36 <[Shaman]> at least.. normal server worked yesterdya 19:36:37 * [Shaman] checks 19:36:54 <Bjarni> peter1138: an easy way to detect if sprites should be drawn when they are missing 19:37:34 <Bjarni> peter1138: how about just making a test to see if multiheaded engines got sprites for the engines in both ends? 19:37:48 <Bjarni> and if not, then force it to use the same sprite in both ends 19:40:07 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 19:43:17 <peter1138> problem is we'd have to look into each sprite to see if it is valid 19:43:26 <peter1138> anyway 19:43:28 <peter1138> gon 19:43:29 <peter1138> +e 19:44:55 *** brygge_2 [n=joachim9@81.166.137.5] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:47:52 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:49:09 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 19:49:18 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has left #openttd [] 19:50:55 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 19:51:51 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B83204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:53:26 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-230-153.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 19:55:06 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-230-153.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:56:09 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181120105.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 19:58:38 <Brianetta> TOnight's nightly is desyncing all the time 19:59:01 <Sacro> i was thinking of joining it 19:59:02 <RichK67> im the only stable one - no desync yet 19:59:23 <hylje> :o 19:59:27 <hylje> u r unstable 19:59:41 <Sacro> lol, be back in abit, food hunting 20:00:01 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:01:17 * Bjarni wonders who gave Sacro a hunting licence 20:01:28 <Bjarni> I'm not sure he is stable enough to carry firearms 20:01:52 <RichK67> ah - but he has a right to bare arms 20:02:02 <RichK67> and get sunburnt ;) 20:02:47 <Bjarni> sunburn and Sacro... those words don't fit in the same sentence 20:02:54 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:04:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: too right 20:08:25 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?16712 <--- hey Tobin is on bash.org 20:08:42 <Bjarni> I'm not sure if this is the real Tobin. It could be a faked one 20:08:47 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80B89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:09:33 <Xeryus|sleep> rofl @ quote _O_ 20:09:42 *** Xeryus|sleep is now known as XeryusTC 20:09:53 <XeryusTC> i wasn't suppose to be still sleeping... 20:11:24 <Sacro> lol 20:13:38 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-10.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:15:08 <Dred_furst> Hey 20:15:26 <Dred_furst> Gonna ask a really silly thing where is the revision identifier stored in the OTTD source code? 20:15:37 <RichK67> rev.c 20:15:50 <Bjarni> rev.c is autogenerated at compiletime 20:16:02 <Bjarni> the makefile takes care of that 20:16:09 <Bjarni> why? 20:16:17 <Dred_furst> cause mine says norev000 20:16:24 <Bjarni> OS? 20:16:35 <Dred_furst> Windows, MSVC7 compiler 20:16:47 <Bjarni> then I have no idea on how to fix it :( 20:16:59 <Sacro> bodge it :P 20:17:16 <Bjarni> I can fix such a problem for all other OSes than windows 20:17:22 <Dred_furst> I dont even have a res.rc :/ 20:17:30 <Dred_furst> oh 20:17:33 <Dred_furst> Whoops 20:17:38 <RichK67> Brianetta ping 20:21:08 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?433666 <-- now that's a salesman 20:22:29 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?516497 <--- oh crap, I prefer C to C++ :s 20:24:01 <RichK67> nah - gotta be Ada ;) 20:26:26 <Bjarni> why? 20:26:31 <Bjarni> oh 20:26:48 <Bjarni> a necrophile 20:26:55 <Bjarni> >_< 20:26:58 <XeryusTC> ouch 20:27:29 <Bjarni> you know, Ada is named after a woman, who invented something computer related in 185x 20:27:41 <Bjarni> you prefer somebody like her??? 20:27:49 <XeryusTC> that reminds me, some scientist discovered a homosexual necrophilic duck once :X 20:27:51 <Bjarni> dead for more than a hundred years 20:28:30 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: wtf. I guess it had problems reproducing and it died out 20:28:34 <Bjarni> darwin at work 20:28:53 <RichK67> lol 20:29:06 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.6.160] has quit ["Look ma, no script!"] 20:29:17 <XeryusTC> the scientist just happened to notice that a male duck was f**king a dead male duck on a hicking trip or something 20:29:24 <XeryusTC> he took like 70 pictures 20:29:40 <hylje> -- 20:29:40 * XeryusTC goes out if he can find them 20:29:42 <hylje> rly 20:30:14 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:30 <Bjarni> what have happened to this channel??? 20:30:51 <Bjarni> half an hour ago, it was about the trunk, now it's about pics of a homosexual necrophilic duck 20:31:15 <XeryusTC> http://www.nmr.nl/deins815.htm here are some 20:32:06 <Bjarni> "An other drake mallard raped the corpse almost continuously for 75 minutes" 20:32:08 <Bjarni> .... 20:32:16 <Bjarni> I thought they did it really quickly 20:33:20 <hylje> maybe it was obsessed 20:33:56 <Bjarni> something was completely wrong with that duck 20:34:01 <Bjarni> it should have been shot 20:34:24 <Bjarni> it wanted to have gay sex for 75 minutes with a dead duck o_O 20:36:10 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?22580 <--- this guy must have a real problem with the length of this .... since he cares about this 20:37:00 <Sacro> damn beetles 20:37:22 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: people do that too 20:37:41 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: personal experience? 20:37:43 <XeryusTC> but they are mostly locked away in some psychiatrist thingy 20:37:52 <XeryusTC> unfortunately not 20:38:10 <Bjarni> you mean you want to, but you have yet to find a dead male mallard? 20:38:24 <XeryusTC> no, i was kiddin' :P 20:38:40 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?41335 <-- maybe you are into that instead 20:39:11 <XeryusTC> yes, im into that :) 20:39:18 <XeryusTC> although im nog aged 40 20:40:07 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?1967 <- he must be a stoner :) 20:40:18 <Bjarni> you are even older??? o_O 20:41:02 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?42196 <--- old, but still good. AFAIK they wrote an article in some computer magazine about it because they spent ages looking though all scripts and such first 20:41:06 <XeryusTC> no, im 2.5 times as young :P 20:41:42 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729D4.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 20:41:53 <XeryusTC> rofl 20:42:42 *** |Jurgen| [n=jurgen@d51A43FD0.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:45:12 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?594678 <--- kids can be so cruel 20:46:48 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?44283 <- so obvious ;) 20:48:25 <Brianetta> http://bash.org/?641338 20:48:26 <Brianetta> ): 20:48:33 <Brianetta> wah )-': 20:48:33 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?50348 :D 20:48:45 <XeryusTC> Brianetta: what was in it? 20:49:10 <Brianetta> Something from here 20:49:15 <Brianetta> but I can't remember what 20:49:19 <Brianetta> *I* thought it was funny 20:49:32 <Brianetta> Everything I have ever submitted to bash has been rejected 20:49:34 <Brianetta> All three of them 20:49:59 <XeryusTC> lol 20:50:25 <Bringuh> some of my stuff is on The Better Bash [tm] 20:50:25 <XeryusTC> only 1 thing i submitted to quotes.negotiator.nl (bash.org like) has been rejected out of 5 or something :) 20:50:26 <Bringuh> aka qdb.us 20:50:40 <Bringuh> bash is run by an asshole who hasn't updated any of the software behind the site in oh about two years 20:50:47 <Bringuh> (at least nothing that was requested) 20:50:50 <XeryusTC> im actually the target of most quotes i come in @ nego :( 20:51:14 <Bringuh> if you go to the new mod questionnaire you'll find an image that points to qdb.us because no one at bash bothered to check and remove it ;P 20:51:49 <Bringuh> This is my best qdb quote: http://qdb.us/32129 20:51:49 <Bringuh> :D 20:51:56 <CIA-3> KUDr * r4948 /branch/yapf/ (29 files in 3 dirs): 20:51:56 <CIA-3> [YAPF] Added YAPF settings into Patches with non-standard Save/Load - uses SL 20:51:56 <CIA-3> structure CYapfSettings with its own serialization. This should allow to 20:51:56 <CIA-3> add/remove YAPF settings without changing savegame revision. Please review. 20:53:49 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?105245 <- quite a classic :) 20:54:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 20:56:17 <Bjarni> yesterday when looking at bugs.openttd.org, I had an issue with a fly, that kept landing on my monitor. I don't think that was the intention when using flyspray 20:57:37 <XeryusTC> http://www.bash.org/?214230 <- roflmfao 20:59:53 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3EFF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20:59:59 <Bjarni> that goodmorning one reminded me of something that happened long ago (way back into the 90s). I entered the computer room at school at around 16:00 and was sleepy after a long day, saw one I knew and wanted to greet him, so I said "goodmorning.... NOO, I didn't just say that" 21:00:20 <Bjarni> then he started talking about my weird internal clock :( 21:00:29 <HentaiXP> Bjarni, where can I submit bugs are suggestion, openTTD on win wants to save within program files, well since I run under a User account and not a account with admin, it can't save there and so the auto save fails 21:01:06 * XeryusTC thinks that HentaiXP is a sick pervert 21:01:25 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: that is what we say out loud AFTER they leave 21:01:31 <Sacro> Bjarni: conversley, on linux, it looks for scenarios under ~/.openttd/scenarios, when they are under /usr/share/openttd/scenarios 21:01:53 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: i know, but i couldn't resist :X 21:02:04 <Bjarni> HentaiXP: you DO know that hentai mean pervert in Japanese, right? 21:02:13 <Bjarni> so you named yourself pervert XP :p 21:02:23 <XeryusTC> pervert experience 21:02:28 <HentaiXP> yep 21:02:29 <Bjarni> yeah 21:02:31 <XeryusTC> sounds sick 21:02:49 <HentaiXP> XP denotes OS I'm on 21:02:52 <Bjarni> are you one of those nice looking cartoon girls? 21:03:04 <Bjarni> <HentaiXP> XP denotes OS I'm on <-- that makes it even worse 21:03:05 * peter1138 > sleep 21:03:50 <XeryusTC> <@Bjarni> <HentaiXP> XP denotes OS I'm on <-- that makes it even worse <- /me would commit suicide if w2k showed up in his nick, or just change it ;) 21:04:11 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os-tan 21:04:11 <Bjarni> or ME 21:04:21 <HentaiXP> think autosaves, should go under appdata\openttd\autosave\ 21:04:33 <Bjarni> win CE, win ME, win NT = windows^3 CEMENT <-- stoneage OS 21:04:41 <Prof_Frink> nah, ~/.openttd/save/auto/ 21:04:56 <Prof_Frink> "As hard as a rock and as dumb as a brick" 21:05:20 <HentaiXP> there is a port of openTTD to PSP? 21:05:32 <RichK67> nah - a brick is an improvement on stone ;) 21:05:46 <Bjarni> HentaiXP: actually about your write problem. it will not write in the exe file, but it tries to write to the same dir. I'm not sure if there is an easy solution. I don't know XP that well 21:06:01 <Bjarni> <HentaiXP> there is a port of openTTD to PSP? <-- officially no, unofficially yes 21:06:57 <HentaiXP> Bjarni, its the autosave so far I noticed, by efault users don't have write perms to stuff in program files 21:07:12 <XeryusTC> HentaiXP: you should contact your system admin to change the rights of the program files dir 21:07:18 <HentaiXP> I gave write perms to the dir the autosave goes into 21:07:25 <HentaiXP> I am the sys adm 21:08:14 <Bjarni> HentaiXP: actually I don't really know about windows.... 21:08:20 <Bjarni> Darkvater: windows issue 21:08:41 <Bjarni> Darkvater: take care of the experienced pervert in here 21:09:23 <Bjarni> <HentaiXP> I am the sys adm <-- either that or you used one of the millions of backdoors to do stuff like that without the admin pw 21:09:38 <HentaiXP> nah 21:09:58 <HentaiXP> if I need to change a permission than I gain admin access in CMD with runas 21:10:02 <Sacro> HentaiXP: dont bother with non-admin accounts, are silly 21:10:17 <HentaiXP> Sacro, sorry I disagree 21:10:53 <Sacro> HentaiXP: hmm, well thats up to you :) 21:11:35 <HentaiXP> Bjarni, where can this unoffical port to PSP be found at? 21:12:09 <XeryusTC> google? [/useless] 21:13:08 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:13:42 *** Mizipzor [n=mizipzor@c-528571d5.01-15-73746f6.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:14:00 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os-tan <-- if HentaiXP is the XP in that pic, I would hump her 21:14:13 <Bjarni> but somehow I got a feeling that he is not 21:14:27 <HentaiXP> lol 21:16:11 <HentaiXP> PSP ver looks good, finially I can get some use out of my psp 21:18:42 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:19:14 <Bjarni> <HentaiXP> Bjarni, where can this unoffical port to PSP be found at? <-- I have no idea 21:19:37 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54944D5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 21:19:43 <HentaiXP> http://openttd.teamjak.net 21:19:56 <HentaiXP> for anyone else who might care 21:20:01 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 21:30:25 <Sacro> mmmmmmmm, XGL 21:30:34 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:44:55 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-230-153.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 21:51:09 *** Lord^^Pas [n=pas@catv-56656d39.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 21:51:32 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 21:52:03 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:52:44 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x50a46aca.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:54:26 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d39.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> [22.05. 23:03] <HentaiXP> Bjarni, where can I submit bugs are suggestion, openTTD on win wants to save within program files, well since I run under a User account and not a account with admin, it can't save there and so the auto save fails <- i think the solution could be a openttd.cfg setting like "savegame_dir" and "autosave_dir" 21:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i really hate it when i have multiple versions of openttd in different folders and have to click through half a dozen of folders just to get all savegames in the same dir 22:00:22 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:00:25 <CIA-3> KUDr * r4949 /branch/yapf/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp: 22:00:25 <CIA-3> [YAPF] Fix: FS#183 - Load balancing behaves oddly with YAPF turned on. 22:00:25 <CIA-3> Last signal state was ignored due to logical mistake in the cost calculation. (thanks to anboni) 22:00:57 *** wonea [n=wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:01:08 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 22:07:12 <glx> KUDr: ping 22:07:15 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-2441.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 22:07:15 * Vornicus fiddles with the half&half 4-way by Sebastian. 22:08:43 <Vornicus> only thing wrong with it, really, is that paths through the cloverleaf part have two hills to climb. 22:08:55 <Biff> Vornicus: url? 22:08:56 *** wonea [n=wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 22:09:00 <KUDr> glx: pong 22:09:09 <Vornicus> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=446365#446365 22:09:11 *** Hallo [n=me@141.24.45.251] has quit [] 22:09:19 <glx> KUDr: I saw you add debug_level for yapf 22:09:31 *** shintah [i=bebble@bebble.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 22:09:47 <Vornicus> It's a graceful little thing. I'm trying to find a way to make it so you only have to climb one hill no matter where you're going. 22:09:55 <KUDr> heh, yes, but it is yet used in setting only 22:10:05 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/yapf_debug_level.diff 22:10:13 <glx> for other debug places :) 22:10:50 <KUDr> thanks, i will do it during cleanup 22:11:01 <KUDr> or you can if you like 22:11:15 <Vornicus> I haven't yet succeeded - I'm trying, possibly, to make the cloverleaf sections on the lower level. 22:11:18 <KUDr> would be good to work in team 22:11:35 <glx> ok I commit it then 22:11:42 <KUDr> k, thanx 22:12:39 <XeryusTC> Vornicus: why do people complain about the slopes? 22:13:08 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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I want to see what I can come up with 22:44:35 <RichK67> terrain (mountainousness ;) ) actually adds / subtracts a second terrain ontop of the main one 22:44:47 <RichK67> try the TGP thread ;) 22:45:10 <Vornicus> %&*#$ 22:45:13 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.1/2006040400]"] 22:45:40 <Vornicus> which is in what forum? 22:46:02 <Vornicus> ah, nemmind, it is linked from your sig 22:46:16 <RichK67> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=405297#405297 22:46:37 <Vornicus> not a small patch, either 22:47:07 <RichK67> very old version too - 4600 22:47:26 *** Bringuh [n=no@pD9E2DA47.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:47:30 <RichK67> its only 36k... Mini IN is 540k ! 22:47:32 <Vornicus> I'm mainly just looking for the scaling data 22:47:46 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-133-90.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:58:16 * Vornicus fiddles 22:58:43 <Vornicus> what I'm looking for is NewGenerateTerrain, I take it? 23:01:28 <Vornicus> okay. terrain is... amplitude, roughness is... frequency. And then the water level is just a clamp on that. 23:01:37 <Vornicus> Correct? 23:02:44 <RichK67> with a few tweaks, but yes, generally - if you look, there is a section that adds terrains in a case statement 23:02:44 <Vornicus> what if... you changed the amplitude according to the water level? 23:03:04 *** HentaiXP [n=Justin@unaffiliated/hentaixp] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:03:24 <RichK67> ive fiddled a lot - the variation is quite complex, and its just gone midnight and my brain cells have expired ;) 23:03:35 <Vornicus> ok 23:04:36 <Vornicus> but there's, like, a range limit on the noise? 23:06:17 <RichK67> find the table of decimal values... the max is sum(2^n * the decimal value) 23:06:29 <RichK67> where n is the position in table 23:07:02 <RichK67> so its 1*0.95 + 1/2*0.85 + 1/4 * 0.65 +... 23:07:24 <Vornicus> hm 23:07:29 <RichK67> so its not exactly a simple number 23:07:29 <Vornicus> okay, I think I see how that works... 23:07:37 <RichK67> and its positive and negative 23:08:10 <RichK67> that then gets scaled, clamped, modified, etc etc... its a bit hackish 23:08:24 <gradator> w 17 23:08:35 <gradator> oops :) 23:08:57 <Vornicus> scaled, clamped for the sea, then smoothed to make a legal terrani, it looks like 23:09:58 <RichK67> as i say, complicated - i have a new version of the patch on my local machine with a full text explanation in tgp.c 23:10:20 * Vornicus is fiddling with the scenario creator. thinks he sees how it works 23:10:23 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:10:26 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E104.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:11:54 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CD44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:12:05 * Vornicus tries to think 23:13:18 <RichK67> specifically for the mountains, i test if the value is > 200, and if so, scale the remaining bit into the 4 levels between 200-255 23:13:46 <Vornicus> okay, so my idea - and, granted, it might not do any good - would be to change the scaling so that first the water is clamped to, and then the highest point in the remainder hits 255. 23:13:47 <RichK67> it makes the tops flat, but at least they arent *totally* flat 23:14:37 <RichK67> vorn - problem is identifying what that max number is - i had values of up to 590 on some terrains... 23:14:50 <RichK67> and on others only 350 23:14:54 * Vornicus is fiddling 23:15:33 <RichK67> it needs more work - if you find a good solution, i will be happy to add it into the final build (with credit) 23:15:44 <Vornicus> well, is there a calculable maximum value? 23:16:02 <Vornicus> I mean, a number that you can guarantee the max isn't above? 23:16:25 <RichK67> yes; 1*0.95 + 1/2*0.85 + ...... 23:16:55 <Vornicus> but you'd using integers. where are those coming from? 23:17:21 <RichK67> the table of decimals at the start of the tgp section 23:17:50 <RichK67> static const double _perlin_p_values[4][6] = { // perlin frequency per power 23:17:50 <RichK67> { 0.35, 0.35, 0.35, 0.35, 0.35, 0.35 }, // Very smooth 23:17:50 <RichK67> { 0.45, 0.55, 0.45, 0.55, 0.45, 0.35 }, // Smooth 23:17:50 <RichK67> { 0.75, 0.86, 0.65, 0.65, 0.55, 0.45 }, // Rough 23:17:50 <RichK67> { 0.95, 0.85, 0.75, 0.65, 0.65, 0.55 }, // Very Rough 23:17:51 <RichK67> }; 23:17:55 <Vornicus> right, I see that. 23:18:01 <Vornicus> But those don't add up to 590. 23:18:18 <RichK67> then 23:18:18 <RichK67> const double amplitude = pow(_perlin_p_values[_patches.tgen_smoothness][i], (double)i); 23:18:19 <RichK67> 23:18:19 <RichK67> total += interpolated_noise((x * frequency) / 64.0, (y * frequency) / 64.0, prime) * amplitude; 23:18:51 * Vornicus fiddles with that 23:19:20 <RichK67> i may look at it this weekend coming (uk bank holiday) 23:19:26 <Vornicus> ok 23:20:40 *** wolf^_ [i=wolf@rev2.kamp.pl] has joined #openttd 23:20:45 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:21:49 *** wolf^_ is now known as wolf^ 23:25:30 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-10.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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