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Log for #openttd on 5th June 2006:
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00:00:05  <lws1984> i used to go down there just to watch the 59's go arond
00:00:12  <lws1984> then wait forever for a train to MC ;D
00:01:08  <Sacro> hehe, not an easy place to get to
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00:01:31  <lws1984> no
00:01:47  <RichK67> new tgp mountain peak: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=451035#451035
00:02:05  <Sacro> oooh, 73 stock
00:02:12  <Sacro> to be honest, its all good
00:05:35  <Belugas_Gone> Bang!
00:05:41  <Belugas_Gone> I'm stupid
00:05:44  <Belugas_Gone> Bang!
00:05:54  <Belugas_Gone> my head hurts
00:05:59  <Belugas_Gone> Bang!
00:06:13  <Sacro> Belugas_Gone: what u done?
00:06:27  <Belugas_Gone> crap :(
00:06:33  <Belugas_Gone> just a big crap
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00:06:57  * Belugas_Gone restart graph_gui.c conversion
00:07:07  <Sacro> oh
00:07:42  <[Shaman]> RichK67: Nice work on TPG.
00:08:15  <[Shaman]> I should finish that widget thingie.. not now tho since it's 2am again >_<
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00:08:59  <Belugas_Gone> but now... I know what I need to do :)
00:09:19  <Belugas_Gone> Newcargos are abouyt to unfold!!!
00:09:41  <Brianetta> It's good that the mountains are climbable, too
00:09:46  <Brianetta> One could switchback up one
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00:11:15  <Belugas_Gone> RichK67, you Rock :)
00:13:31  <RichK67> funny really - my first generate after the upload, crashed!! :)
00:14:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> damn... i soo need 5.1 speakers ;)
00:17:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> urgs... updating beyond yapf merge totally screwed up my newgrf section :p
00:18:00  <Eddi|zuHause2> i had all newgrfs commented out, and now it put yapf settings between [newgrf] and all those comments :p
00:18:10  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: whoops!
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00:21:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67: can the random seed be right bound instead of left bound?
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00:23:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> and you should probably make the buttons a little wider, because other languages might overlap
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00:23:49  <RichK67> im working on the gui... the seed area is going to eventually be an input box once i work out how they work
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00:36:38  <CIA-3> richk * r5111 /branch/MiniIN/industry_cmd.c: [MiniIN]: [TGP]: Bug in industry_cmd.c fixed. Industries should no longer destroy towns when terraforming the platform level.
00:38:47  <CIA-3> richk * r5112 /branch/MiniIN/ (main_gui.c tgp_gui.c): [MiniIN]: [TGP]: Moved generate terrain gui to tgp_gui.c. This will make it easier to add a gui for the Scenario Generator with more options.
00:39:52  <CIA-3> richk * r5113 /branch/MiniIN/tgp.c: [MiniIN]: [TGP]: Scaled terrain by the largest number generated. This brings mountain peaks into view; so no more nasty mountain-plateaus. :)
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03:47:53  <numerodix> newbie question: I'm trying to mess with the string_id of a vehicle, how do I do anything meaningful with it? As far as I can see the type is StringID, defined in openttd.h to uint16, then I tried using GetString to get a char array from that. How do I cast that back to a StringID/uint16? This is happening in the CmdCloneVehicle in vehicle.c.. I can access the variable  through v->string_id but how do I dereference the pointer? And how do I
03:47:53  <numerodix> set it to a new value? for instance.. *newpointer = *oldpointer but that segfaults
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04:25:40  <Smoky555> morning
04:26:13  <Smoky555> peter1138: when branch/bridge will be merged with trunk?
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04:57:08  <Tobin> Smoky555: It has been.
04:57:33  <Smoky555> Tobin: really?
04:58:16  <Tobin> Erm, actually I might be thinking of YAPF.
04:58:25  <Tobin> ... which is in.
04:58:29  * Smoky555 going to download fresh trunk ...
04:58:59  <Tobin> Smoky555: Yes it has been r5070.
04:59:21  <Smoky555> ok
04:59:30  <Smoky555> thanks
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06:58:33  <roboman> hello
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07:37:47  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5114 /branch/utf8/ (78 files in 9 dirs): [utf8] - Sync with r5005:r5100 from trunk
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08:25:25  <Darkvater> Celestar: ping
08:27:02  <peter1138> morning dv
08:27:33  <Darkvater> morning peter1138
08:30:59  <CIA-3> tron * r5115 /branch/0.4/ (6 files): Move helper functions to where they belong
08:31:38  <Darkvater> Tron: moved the small inlined functions into header?
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08:32:08  <Darkvater> that's a yes
08:32:13  <Tron> it started to get messy, because by now some of them appeared twice
08:32:29  <Tron> with the next fix it would probably be thrice
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08:33:06  <Darkvater> you're probably right. I started thinking about that but then decided not to since I didn't want to add a new header file
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08:34:42  <CIA-3> tron * r5116 /trunk/ (depot.h npf.c vehicle.c): Move the overly generic GetDepotDirection() from a header to its only consumer
08:35:32  <Darkvater> I was thinking of doing 0.4.8RC1 today
08:35:36  <Darkvater> anyone against?
08:36:07  <peter1138> what about the autoreplace fix?
08:37:13  <Darkvater> heh, good point
08:37:14  <Tron> the tunnel problem
08:37:24  <Tron> or rather a terraforming problem
08:37:57  <Tron> it probably happend when Celestar rewrote the terraforming
08:38:18  <peter1138> is that in 0.4.7?
08:38:33  <Tron> yes
08:38:41  <peter1138> hmm
08:38:43  <peter1138> then that too
08:39:06  <Darkvater> hmm, is that with the | - track and terraforming it down? Can't remember that
08:39:16  <peter1138> no
08:39:19  <Darkvater> got a screenshot/bug report?
08:39:48  <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25488
08:40:13  <peter1138> that's the tunnel incarnation, but it's the terraforming that's at fault
08:40:23  <Darkvater> gaaah, wereh's my mouse?
08:40:41  <Tron> you can do some invalid terraforming, too
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08:42:07  <Darkvater> wait, that is a bug in 0.4.7??
08:42:08  * Darkvater tests
08:42:27  <peter1138> damn, pikkabird's airplanes are nice
08:42:28  <Rubidium> yes, it is in 0.4.7
08:42:45  <peter1138> they tilt when taking off / landing
08:43:17  <Darkvater> hmm it is
08:43:44  <Tron> Darkvater: r4012
08:45:41  <Darkvater> great :s
08:49:23  <Darkvater> hehe
08:49:31  <Darkvater> r4012: Fixes a bug where you could terraform a tunnel (fixed by r3228, but reverted that one)
08:49:57  <Tron> the issue is delicatae
08:50:03  <Tron> s/ae/e/
08:50:18  <Tron> you could terraform within tunnels before that
08:50:43  <Darkvater> peter1138: also in ottd? got pics? ^^
08:50:47  <Tron> 0.4.6 has the problem, too, btw
08:50:56  <peter1138> Darkvater: yes, but no pics
08:51:18  <Darkvater> damn I hate slopes... hated them starting from the day they were added
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08:51:57  <Tron> hm, i wonder who started implementing them...
08:52:09  <Darkvater> me :(
08:52:25  <Darkvater> but in my defense: ludde did almost all the work
08:53:28  <peter1138> heh
08:53:50  <peter1138> move to explicit foundations
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08:55:10  <Darkvater> about damn time
08:55:34  <Darkvater> hmm why don't we fix this in tunnelbridge_cmd.c?
08:56:55  <Darkvater> bad idea
08:57:19  <peter1138> because it affects more than tunnels
08:58:45  <Tron> clear_cmd.c
08:58:48  <Tron> have fun
08:58:54  <Darkvater> already having
08:59:08  <Tron> somebody should rewrite the whole terraforming stuff, because it is /dead/ slow
08:59:55  <Darkvater> hmm
09:00:05  <Darkvater> I can do this with rail but it doesn't work with road
09:00:52  <Sacro> morning all
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09:04:08  <Darkvater> this is strange...
09:07:22  <Darkvater> hmm I fixed that bug..but what have I introduced? :p
09:08:29  <Tron> <Darkvater> I can do this with rail but it doesn't work with road <-- of course, there's only a special case for certain rail configurations, which can be terraformed
09:09:36  <Darkvater> now I know what I broke... *sigh*
09:09:53  <Darkvater> dammit fucking terraform
09:12:45  <Smoky555> is it possible to build bridge under/over another bridge?
09:13:02  <Darkvater> hmm do we have a function that says if a tile is foundationed or not?
09:14:12  <Tron> GetRailFoundation() returns != 0 if there is a foundation
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09:14:33  <Darkvater> ah thx
09:15:42  <peter1138> Smoky555: no
09:16:14  <peter1138> bah, i hate socks. they always shrink
09:16:22  <Smoky555> :(
09:18:15  <Darkvater> I need some food
09:18:35  <peter1138> me too
09:20:46  <Sacro> OpenTTD BBQ :D
09:21:10  <peter1138> hmm, yeah, at my new house
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09:38:09  <Sacro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laimGZNmhrc :D
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09:47:07  <valhallazzzw> *click*
09:47:18  <valhallazzzw> omg
09:47:26  <valhallazzzw> noes :D
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09:55:01  <CIA-3> tron * r5117 /trunk/roadveh_cmd.c: Remove a redundant check: If a road vehicle is in the state 'in depot', don't test if it's a road depot
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10:13:12  <peter1138> how do you get a literal * as the first character on a line, using wikipedia?
10:13:39  <peter1138> er, i mean mediawiki, but still...
10:23:20  <valhallasw> erm
10:23:20  <CIA-3> tron * r5118 /trunk/ (roadveh.h roadveh_cmd.c roadveh_gui.c vehicle.c): Add IsRoadVehInDepot{Stopped,}()
10:23:23  <valhallasw> good point
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10:23:36  <valhallasw> try <nowiki>*</nowiki>
10:24:37  <peter1138> does the job. cheers.
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10:26:42  <CIA-3> tron * r5119 /trunk/roadveh_gui.c: -Fix: If a road vehicle is on a road depot tile and stopped doesn't mean it's in the depot. Use the proper test for this
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10:59:57  <lws1984> bye all
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11:28:02  <CIA-3> tron * r5120 /trunk/ (ship_cmd.c ship_gui.c vehicle.c): Add IsShipInDepot{Stopped,}() and remove some redundant checks
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11:28:34  <CIA-3> tron * r5121 /trunk/ship.h: Add forgotten file in r5120
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11:40:11  <XeryusTC> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7813256933733489580 :)
11:41:21  <peter1138> pretty rubbish
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11:45:16  <RichK67> hi
11:46:03  <roboman> hewoo
11:46:54  <Sacro> hewwwwooooooooooo
11:47:13  <RichK67> sorry gotta go!
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11:50:27  <Trenskow> is it possible to advertise a server manually?
11:51:31  <Sacro> Trenskow: post the ip in here :)
11:51:45  <Trenskow> 85.218.166.154
11:51:47  <Trenskow> :)
11:51:51  <XeryusTC> lol
11:52:00  <Trenskow> so were advertised :D
11:52:03  <Sacro> Trenskow: there you have it, advertising
11:52:27  <Sacro> though its usually wise to specify version, any newgrfs, anything else people might wnt to know
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12:15:59  <Tron> peter1138: UTF-8 has no 5 and 6 byte sequences
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12:22:22  <peter1138> yet
12:22:37  <Tron> yet?
12:22:49  <Tron> 5 and 6 byte sequences where explicitly removed
12:22:56  <peter1138> hmm
12:22:57  <Tron> s/where/were/
12:23:35  <peter1138> oh well
12:23:37  <peter1138> it doesn't hurt
12:25:23  <peter1138> can be removed easily enough
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12:31:22  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5122 /branch/utf8/ (17 files in 2 dirs): [utf8] - Sync with r5100:r5121 from trunk
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12:37:26  <roboman> hello
12:37:45  <Sacro> hey roboman
12:38:23  <roboman> gnight
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12:41:46  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5123 /branch/utf8/ (strgen/strgen.c string.c): [utf8] Remove 5/6 byte encodings as per RFC3629, and add 4 byte encoding to strgen (thanks tron)
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12:43:44  <CIA-3> tron * r5124 /trunk/ (aircraft.h aircraft_cmd.c aircraft_gui.c):
12:43:44  <CIA-3> Add IsAircraftInHangar{Stopped,}(), which supersedes CheckStoppedInHangar()
12:43:44  <CIA-3> -Fix: Be more strict what it means for an aircraft to be in a hangar: It's not just being stopped on a hangar tile
12:44:43  <RichK67> hmm - i wonder if that is going to break new airports ...
12:44:59  <peter1138> shouldn't do
12:45:50  <RichK67> ill check it when i get home
12:47:21  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5125 /branch/utf8/string.c: [utf8] 'Protect' against overlong encoding of characters
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12:58:58  <Belugas> hi theer
12:59:10  <RichK67> hi
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13:10:29  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5126 /branch/utf8/ (fontcache.c table/control_codes.h): [utf8] Replace some magic numbers with string control code enum values
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14:11:11  <Hackykid> hmm, in what revision did newstations start to work?
14:11:37  <peter1138> technically when i added the gui
14:11:47  <peter1138> but... hmm.
14:11:52  <peter1138> which was that...
14:12:17  <Hackykid> well... i got a gui in r4800, but it only shows the default station
14:12:32  <peter1138> r4768
14:12:35  <Hackykid> so that is not supposed to happen?
14:12:58  <peter1138> well, what sets are you trying to use?
14:13:17  <Hackykid> dbsetxlw.grf
14:13:17  <Hackykid> newstatsw.grf
14:13:26  <peter1138> newstatsw.grf definitely works
14:13:32  <Sacro> yup it does
14:13:42  <Hackykid> strange then...
14:13:50  <peter1138> what's listed in the dropdown?
14:14:19  <Hackykid> lol, good one
14:14:32  <Hackykid> nothing was wrong, i just wasnt understanding the gui :-p
14:14:35  <peter1138> :P
14:14:43  <Hackykid> ahem
14:15:02  <peter1138> it makes sense when you know that newstations are split into classes
14:15:30  <peter1138> why are you using 4800 anyway?
14:15:43  <peter1138> that doesn't have the bridges :)
14:15:53  <Hackykid> well, i'm updating my old pbs patch hehe
14:16:33  <Hackykid> i really cant play ottd without it anymore :-(
14:16:59  <peter1138> hmm
14:17:05  <Dred_furst> hey
14:17:07  <peter1138> there should be a fairly recent version anyway
14:18:36  <Hackykid> hmm, where?
14:18:56  <Dred_furst> is there any way of making my compile compile faster?
14:18:59  <Hackykid> i saw pbs_at_r4286.patch at the forums
14:19:08  <peter1138> Dred_furst: get a faster computer
14:19:13  <Dred_furst> hmm
14:19:21  <Dred_furst> Slow-ish compiles it is :)
14:19:25  <Dred_furst> its a few mins i can cope
14:19:29  <TinoM> Dred_furst, linux? try ccache
14:19:37  <Dred_furst> Im in windows
14:19:52  <Dred_furst> I really need to get my Mpich cluster working :/
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14:20:06  <Tron> <peter1138> that doesn't have the bridges :) <--- trunk won't have it for too long either, except celestar has a /really/ good explanation, but i doubt that
14:20:33  <Dred_furst> my Mpich cluster runs linux :) but i need a better distro
14:20:37  <Dred_furst> any reccomendations?
14:20:57  <Dred_furst> (looking for something that likes fairly low-spec hardware)
14:20:57  <peter1138> will ccache help? only stuff that needs compiling gets compiled anyway...
14:21:34  <Tron> ccache will most likely not help
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14:22:22  <Hackykid> peter1138: i think you also mentioned pbs and newstation conflicting because of mapbits usage
14:22:48  <peter1138> "                  conflicting because of mapbits usage
14:22:50  <peter1138> err
14:22:56  <peter1138> "If you ever run "make clean; make" then you can probably benefit from ccache. It is very common for developers to do a clean build of a project for a whole host of reasons, and this throws away all the information from your previous compiles."
14:23:10  <peter1138> throws away... yes, that's the point of doing make clean :)
14:23:32  <peter1138> Hackykid: yeah, simple to work around it though
14:23:45  <Hackykid> tell me how then :-)
14:24:19  <peter1138> limit the station classes to 127, make it use 7 bits in the map array instead of 8, and then use the free bit from there
14:24:53  <Hackykid> ah
14:25:26  <peter1138> also adjust the loading so that any station with over 127 classes loses the higher set (you end up with default station graphics for them)
14:25:36  <peter1138> going over 127 is unlikely anyway
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14:25:58  <Dred_furst> Hmm i really could do with another switch atm (network)
14:26:53  <peter1138> i could do with a cup of tea
14:27:25  <Dred_furst> lol
14:29:13  <Dred_furst> looks like winroute again
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14:29:51  <Hackykid> hmm, is a custom station id the same as a station class?
14:29:52  <Dred_furst> need to get my cluster on the internet so i can install debian net install :)
14:30:10  <peter1138> Hackykid: no
14:30:15  <peter1138> theres a class, and an id
14:30:21  <peter1138> and there's also a mapping table
14:30:52  <Hackykid> # m4 = custom station id; 0 means standard graphics
14:31:22  <peter1138> guess i should fix that ;p
14:31:28  <Hackykid> :O
14:32:33  <peter1138> mmm, custard cremes
14:36:20  <Dred_furst> Mmm
14:36:53  <Hackykid> hmm, that was indeed easy (assuming all code uses those accessor functions :-p)
14:37:25  <peter1138> it does
14:37:30  <Sacro> Hackykid: updated PBS?
14:37:35  <Hackykid> nice nice
14:37:48  <Sacro> commitage!
14:37:49  <Hackykid> Sacro: updating pbs
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14:37:57  <Hackykid> and no, its not gonna be committed
14:38:09  <peter1138> Hackykid: a return to the days of stuff!
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14:39:53  <Hackykid> hehe :-)
14:40:42  <ln-> MiHaMiX: i need contact info.
14:41:11  <Hackykid> i think its gonna get really tricky to get the new bridge stuff to work with pbs
14:43:48  <Sacro> maybe RichK67 will put it in minty
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14:49:13  <Hackykid> what rev did the bridges come along?
14:49:24  <KUDr_wrk> 5070?
14:49:40  <Hackykid> ah, yes
14:49:53  <KUDr_wrk> should be easy for you
14:49:59  <KUDr_wrk> it acts like tunnels
14:50:18  <KUDr_wrk> just entry/exit
14:50:27  <Hackykid> hmm, i see
14:50:44  <KUDr_wrk> was also easy to integrate with yapf
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14:54:26  <CIA-3> tron * r5127 /trunk/ai/default/default.c: Use IsRoadVehInDepotStopped() and IsAircraftInHangarStopped()
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15:01:48  <Hackykid> yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp:128: warning: enumeration value `SIGTYPE_PBS' not handled
15:01:48  <Hackykid>  in switch
15:01:52  <Hackykid> hehe :-p
15:02:31  <KUDr_wrk> can happen
15:02:39  <KUDr_wrk> you can add it there
15:02:41  <Hackykid> yeah
15:03:15  <KUDr_wrk> will you integrate pbs with yapf?
15:04:50  <Hackykid> hmmz, dunno yet, probably not
15:05:47  <KUDr_wrk> you can reopen PBS branch and make it there for NPF
15:06:05  <KUDr_wrk> and then i can copy your stuff for yapf too
15:07:09  <Hackykid> hmm, indeed
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15:09:53  <Darkvater> you guys having some commit-competition? :P
15:10:09  <Hackykid> does the "use NPF" patch override "use YAPF" ?
15:10:46  <KUDr_wrk> no
15:10:55  <KUDr_wrk> YAPF rules
15:11:00  <Hackykid> did it ever do?
15:11:19  <KUDr_wrk> don't think
15:11:27  <Hackykid> (like, in r4987)
15:11:31  <Hackykid> :-p
15:11:40  <Hackykid> hmm, it seems so here
15:11:44  <Darkvater> peter1138: are you at work today?
15:13:03  <Hackykid> must be something i broke :O
15:13:05  <peter1138> yes
15:13:21  <Darkvater> he, poor guys. We have a day off here
15:13:29  <Darkvater> my father has to work as well :s
15:13:45  <peter1138> i had last monday off, so...
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15:20:33  <Tobin> KUDr_wrk: With regards to the whole "what pathfinder overrides what?"  thing, maybe it could be made into a Drop down list or something to prevent the confusion.
15:21:06  <Tobin> Something that only allows a single selection anyway.
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15:23:15  <Belugas> <peter1138> i had last monday off, so...  <----  I had last saturday off ;)
15:23:35  <Darkvater> RichK67: if you pudate airports to HEAD I'll look through it
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15:29:49  <CIA-3> tron * r5128 /trunk/ai/default/default.c: Remove the global variable _cur_ai_player
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15:47:10  <CIA-3> tron * r5129 /trunk/ai/default/default.c: Accommodate the default AI for the new railtype: It used hard coded numbers instead of enums to calculate prices
15:52:25  <RichK67> hi DV... it was up to date when i sent it to you... ;)
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15:56:34  <RichK67> Darkvater: ill update to HEAD first thing this evening... if you will review it tonight ;)    (i need to check that a tron change to airport_cmd.c has not affected it)
15:56:59  <MiHaMiX> here
15:57:03  <CIA-3> miham * r5130 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt galician.txt italian.txt):
15:57:03  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-05 17:56:46
15:57:03  <CIA-3> american - 12 changed by WhiteRabbit (12)
15:57:03  <CIA-3> galician - 62 fixed, 10 changed by Condex (72)
15:57:03  <CIA-3> italian - 3 changed by sidew (3)
15:57:23  <MiHaMiX> ln-: ?
15:58:05  <ln-> the new finnish translator has made some changes that are more or less questionable. is there any way to contact him?
15:58:42  <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: wiki. dead. stop
15:58:53  <MiHaMiX> ln-: yes, via me
15:58:57  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: impossible
15:59:07  <Darkvater> RichK67: it's not up to date anymore ;P. Will wait for new PM :)
15:59:15  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: it's working for me
15:59:33  <Darkvater> well it was dead during the weekend and doesn't seem to work atm either
15:59:51  <Darkvater> hmm working now
15:59:53  <Darkvater> how typical
15:59:55  <MiHaMiX> ln-: email me at mihamix (at) openttd (dot) org
16:00:01  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: it was indeed dead
16:00:02  <ln-> MiHaMiX: ok, ask him why did he change "timanttikaivos" to "jalokivikaivos", and tell him to use "rautatie" or "rata" instead of "junarata", and, and ...
16:00:18  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: but TL|Away fixed it, since he also has the privilege to do so
16:00:24  <Darkvater> good
16:00:47  <peter1138> MiHaMiX: also... it should be "OpenTTD", not "Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe"
16:00:55  <MiHaMiX> ln-: i'm not going to learn finnish, could you please send me an email to the above email address and i'll forward it to him
16:01:17  <MiHaMiX> ln-: please don't forget to write the name of the given translator
16:01:40  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ok, will fixing that. I'm wondering why do we use the abbreviated format
16:01:43  <ln-> m'kay
16:02:09  <MiHaMiX> ln-: thanks
16:02:16  <peter1138> cos that's the name?
16:02:17  <peter1138> heh
16:02:44  <Darkvater> yeah, it's openttd
16:02:56  <Tron> MiHaMiX:
16:02:56  <Tron> %grep -l 'STRING[1-5]' ^english.txt* */*.txt
16:02:57  <Tron> estonian.txt
16:02:57  <Tron> unfinished/lithuanian.txt
16:02:57  <Tron> unfinished/slovenian.txt
16:03:00  <MiHaMiX> okay, I'll change that
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16:03:22  <MiHaMiX> Tron: they still didn't fixed the etrrors
16:03:36  <MiHaMiX> Tron: could you please fix them if you got a chance?
16:03:41  <Tron> in fact they're getting more instead of less
16:03:55  * MiHaMiX is at his parents using their slow network connection
16:04:09  <MiHaMiX> Tron: no, you can't spot a single {STRINGx} in 10 days
16:04:21  <MiHaMiX> Tron: which is not got fixed right away
16:04:40  <Tron> last time i checked it was just 2 languages
16:05:04  <Tron> anyway, just disallow the use of STRING[1-5]
16:05:07  <MiHaMiX> ok, lemme search through the changes
16:05:19  <Tron> i don't care when it happend
16:05:32  <Tron> just please ensure it can't happen again
16:05:33  <RichK67> DV: the patch i sent you applies without conflict to the trunk... please dont wait on me
16:06:12  <Darkvater> ok
16:06:19  <RichK67> ty
16:06:34  <Darkvater> how hard is it to check for {STRINGx} in a commit? Just grep the language/diff or something
16:06:43  <Darkvater> or disallow saving when pressing the button in the translator
16:06:54  <MiHaMiX> Tron: i'm not going to fix the bug right away (it's a pain to type any kind of text here, it's soo laggy here), but I'll not commit any changes which contain {STRINGn}
16:07:13  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: i'll solve it this week, say,\ until wednesday
16:07:52  <MiHaMiX> until then I make sure before every commit that the proposed changes doesn't contain invalid {STRINGx} params
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16:08:08  <CIA-3> tron * r5131 /trunk/lang/ (3 files in 2 dirs): s/STRING[1-5]/STRING/g
16:08:45  <MiHaMiX> Tron: ty.
16:08:56  <MiHaMiX> Total I18N stats: 93% - 4806 bad strings out of 73164 strings
16:09:05  <Tron> and something seems to be broken with ³ (power to 3)
16:09:50  <Darkvater> < gotta make food
16:10:06  <MiHaMiX> Tron: yes, well-known bug, but will disappear right after switching to utf-8, which is near
16:10:16  <Tron> i doubt that
16:10:31  <MiHaMiX> Tron: never mind, i'm dead sure :D
16:10:35  <Tron> the "which is near" part
16:10:40  <MiHaMiX> Tron: ahh
16:10:53  <MiHaMiX> Tron: that depends on peter1138, and I'm trust him :)
16:11:09  <Tron> is it so hard to handle ISO8859-15?
16:11:13  <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: that is a very BAD attitude
16:11:18  <Darkvater> is 0.4.8 fucked then?
16:11:22  <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: no.
16:11:27  <peter1138> MiHaMiX: actually the ³s are broken in ukrainian.txt, so...
16:11:43  <Darkvater> shit I was making food ;po
16:11:54  <MiHaMiX> Tron: no. i must've made a mistype in charcoder
16:12:11  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: the literal ?-s?
16:12:14  <peter1138> yeah
16:12:28  <MiHaMiX> peter1138: in what way?
16:19:40  <Tron> btw: ukranian.txt is contains invalid chars
16:20:09  <MiHaMiX> Tron: utf8 chars.
16:20:19  <Tron> no, iconv tells me it's not proper UTF-8
16:20:33  <MiHaMiX> let me see..
16:20:41  <peter1138> it is, except for those broken power of 3s
16:20:57  <peter1138> EF BF BD
16:21:03  <Tron> %iconv -f UTF-8 unfinished/ukrainian.txt
16:21:04  <Tron> ##name ukrainian
16:21:04  <Tron> iconv: unfinished/ukrainian.txt: cannot convert
16:21:54  <peter1138> my iconv gets further than that
16:21:55  <MiHaMiX> Tron: without -t switch iconv tries to convert to your locale's charset
16:22:04  <peter1138> hmm, /me check
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16:24:49  <peter1138> yeah
16:24:54  <peter1138> and it can't
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16:28:03  <MiHaMiX> okay folks, it's even slower
16:28:03  <MiHaMiX> bbl
16:29:58  <peter1138> EF BF BD == U+FFFD == replacement character
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16:31:32  <CIA-3> tron * r5132 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt unfinished/slovenian.txt): s/?/?4?9/
16:32:59  <peter1138> gah, vim's being too clever
16:33:12  <peter1138> it's converting stuff so i can't see what's wrong ;p
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16:39:28  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5133 /branch/utf8/settings.c: [utf8] Fix compilation if freetype isn't enabled
16:41:32  <peter1138> i could add a {POWEROF3} (or {CUBED}) to strgen...
16:41:47  <peter1138> shouldn't be necessary though
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16:45:45  <blathijs> hey, wtf
16:45:52  <blathijs> we have utf8 and freetype support? :-)
16:46:11  <glx> yes in a branch
16:46:20  <peter1138> yeah
16:49:04  * peter1138 ponders making strgen more utf8 aware
16:49:15  <peter1138> currently it just passes data byte for byte
16:55:14  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5134 /branch/utf8/string.c: [utf8] Fix braino in r5125 -- the values are hexadecimal...
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16:57:26  <Trenskow> why does it say money limit on auto-renew trains, when there is money enough?
16:57:30  <Trenskow> and no bank loan
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17:20:11  <peter1138> blathijs: so yeah... the ukrainian translation looks nice
17:25:01  <Sacro> hmm, my dads gf and her family are ukrainian
17:25:58  <Vornicus> Trenskow: autorenew will not replace trains unless it would leave you more than the autoreplace threshold, which is usually either 50,000 or 100,000 british pounds.  The autoreplace threshold is configurable.
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17:27:00  <RichK67> hi all
17:27:11  <glx_> RichK67: hi
17:27:11  <peter1138> mr richk
17:27:38  <glx_> RichK67: properties are wrong for some files you added in MiniIN branch
17:28:01  <RichK67> specifics?
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17:29:10  <glx> Id and eol
17:29:29  <peter1138> RichK67: tgp2, the river, is nice :D
17:29:31  <Tron> %cat `which add`
17:29:31  <Tron> #!/bin/sh
17:29:31  <Tron> svn add $* || exit 1
17:29:31  <Tron> svn ps svn:eol-style native $* || exit 1
17:29:31  <Tron> svn ps svn:keywords Id $* || exit 1
17:30:00  <RichK67> sorry - i mean which files
17:30:21  <RichK67> also, im on windows, so i dont have the linux-fetish for complexity
17:30:42  <Tron> 1. it's a bourne shell script
17:30:43  <peter1138> that's simplicity :P
17:30:53  <Tron> 2. what's complex about it?
17:31:03  <Tron> add $FILENAMES
17:31:07  <Belugas> Hello RichK67.  TortoiSVN handles properties quite well
17:31:10  <peter1138> 3. tron doesn't use linux :D
17:31:12  <RichK67> not if you havent the foggiest how to run it, what the requirements are, whether the opsys supports it, etc.
17:31:18  <peter1138> i made it even simpler
17:31:28  <peter1138> i just added the them to svn's default property list
17:31:31  <peter1138> -the
17:31:51  <Tron> that's per se a good idea, but too bad it's per client and not per repo
17:31:57  <peter1138> yeah
17:32:15  <RichK67> ok, so rather than hammer me on "how im not doing it right", show me how; i need hand-holding to get it right, as i dont know what the requirements are...
17:32:15  <Tron> so if there's another repo with different default values you're out of luck
17:32:23  <Tron> (i hope this gets fixed at some point)
17:32:59  <RichK67> (granted, once shown, thats enough for me... i wont need showing a second time)
17:33:27  <Tron> look up there, the 2 properties shown need the respective values
17:33:58  <RichK67> for what, where? for the MiniIN branch, for specific files, what?
17:35:02  <RichK67> where do i set it/run script? in Tortoise? in a mingw window, in a dos window?
17:35:15  <Tron> nvm
17:35:16  <peter1138> you right click on the files
17:35:22  <peter1138> go to properties
17:35:34  <RichK67> WHICH FILES!!!!     im not a freaking psychic
17:35:35  <peter1138> and, er, other stuff
17:35:45  <peter1138> files you've added
17:35:51  <peter1138> can't be that many
17:35:51  <Tron> the files which don't have the properties, of course
17:35:55  <RichK67> thankyou...
17:36:06  <RichK67> tron: unhelpful...
17:36:08  <Tron> hey, ask your tortoise
17:36:14  <RichK67> how?
17:36:20  <glx> RichK67: at least tgp*.[ch]
17:36:27  <Tron> how should i know? i don't abuse turtles
17:36:48  <RichK67> yup, tgp_gui.c, airports.grf, patches directory, etc.
17:36:56  <peter1138> so in properties, it's the subversion tab
17:37:07  <peter1138> the properties will be listed there
17:37:09  <RichK67> WHICH FILES.
17:37:10  <Tron> definatly NOT airports.grf
17:37:15  <hylje> RichK67: X-FILES
17:37:30  <peter1138> i don't know which files. it's your branch.
17:37:34  <Tron> you don't want svn to f*** with the line endings of binary files
17:37:44  <peter1138> mmm, like ftp :D
17:38:04  <RichK67> well, someone "knows" to be complaining about them
17:38:53  <glx> [19:36:41] <glx> RichK67: at least tgp*.[ch] <-- I found these but didn't check all files you added
17:41:13  <Tron> %svn st
17:41:14  <Tron> MM     tgp.c
17:41:14  <Tron> MM     tgp.h
17:41:14  <Tron> MM     tgp_gui.c
17:41:15  <Tron> these
17:41:45  <RichK67> ok - in the properties/Subversion tab, there is a drop-down for eol-style... what should i put in the setting box?
17:42:01  <Tron> i just set the properties for all files, much faster than hunt and peck for the missing ones
17:42:13  <Tron> [19:29:31] <Tron> svn ps svn:eol-style native $* || exit 1
17:42:42  <RichK67> not helpful when im not running a b***** command line
17:43:05  <glx> RichK67: read: "native"
17:43:05  <Tron> given you have 3 choices in your dropdown box
17:43:21  <Tron> guess which somehow corresponds to the command i quoted
17:43:30  <RichK67> i dont, so!
17:43:55  <RichK67> svn:eol-style  is all it says in my drop down... i have to type in what to set it to
17:44:11  <RichK67> "bugger this for a game of soldiers" comes to mind
17:44:47  <glx> you set it to native
17:44:58  <RichK67> ty.. clarity :)
17:45:24  <RichK67> and svn:keywords to ld?
17:45:33  <glx> yes
17:45:35  <Tron> no
17:45:44  <Tron> NOT 'l', but 'I'
17:45:54  <glx> shitf i :)
17:45:55  <RichK67> eye-dee
17:46:17  <peter1138> Id, as in the /* $Id$ */ thing at the top of each file
17:46:22  <peter1138> (it's not magic)
17:46:25  <RichK67> okies
17:46:28  <peter1138> ((well, not much))
17:47:08  <Tron> /* $Id: tgp.c 0000 2006-05-02 19:35:36Z richk $ */^M <-- you edited this by hand?
17:47:43  <RichK67> does this only apply to code, or to the text files ive included for documentation?
17:48:08  <Tron> i bet half a dead pigeon that you can't commit this because of trailing whitespace
17:48:09  <RichK67> tron: probably; i didnt know how to get it in there... the SVN docs are useless
17:48:25  <RichK67> tron: since its already committed ;)
17:48:34  <Tron> no
17:48:43  <Tron> you have ^M at eol all the time
17:48:53  <Tron> by they get removed with eol-style native
17:49:08  <RichK67> its in the branch/MiniIN... didnt get there by magic... i committed it, it accepted it
17:49:20  <Tron> and a pre-commit hook will prevent any trailing whitespace being commited
17:49:27  <Tron> <Tron> you have ^M at eol all the time
17:49:40  <Tron> that's no whitespace
17:49:55  <Tron> but after removing that there's quite a chance there'll be trailing whitespace
17:50:17  <glx> ^M is DOS-eol
17:50:30  <Tron> perhaps that hook should be extended to decline ^M as well
17:50:33  <peter1138> our pre-commit hook shou....
17:50:39  <RichK67> OK - Tron, please go write some wiki pages on the full details of this, because AFAIC these are mysterious unstated requirements.... the SVN accepted my commit... it therefore has NO trailing whitespace
17:50:39  <peter1138> *ding* :)
17:50:42  <Tron> peter1138: yep ^^
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17:51:01  <Tron> RichK67: do you even read what i write?
17:51:18  <Tron> you have no trailing whitespace per defintion right now
17:51:27  <Tron> because you have ^M at all line endings
17:51:44  <RichK67> do you?    if I have COMMITTED these files to SVN branch... it HAS CHECKED for WHITESPACE... AND PASSED
17:51:48  <Tron> but by switching to native eol style the ^M will be removed
17:51:54  <peter1138> RichK67: "foo   ^M" has no trailing whitespace. when removing the ^M, it'll become "foo   ", hence it will have trailing whitespace
17:51:55  <RichK67> gah!
17:51:59  <Tron> HELL AM I TALKING CHINESE OR SOMETHING?
17:52:18  <RichK67> no, just explaining it in the wrong order
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17:52:27  <Tron> no, in absolutly the correct order
17:52:29  <RichK67> by switching to native eol style the ^M will be removed ... should be first
17:52:39  <Tron> you just should read from top to bottom instead bottom to top
17:52:52  <peter1138> /* Original code developed by Hj. Malthaner
17:52:57  <RichK67> ok, so why change to native eol-style?
17:52:58  <peter1138> spaces there, heh
17:53:18  <Tron> #include "void_map.h"^M
17:53:18  <Tron> #include "tgp.h"^M
17:53:18  <Tron> ^M
17:53:20  <peter1138> because we don't all use windows
17:53:31  <Tron> because we get ^M all the time
17:53:41  <glx> because of stupid windows eol :)
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17:54:07  <RichK67> yeah, CR-LF is really MS fault... it was around 20yrs before MS existed
17:54:31  <Tron> probably rather 100 years
17:54:38  <Tron> but notbody forced MS to use it
17:57:23  <RichK67> ok... so the full story is:   other opsys's need eol-style set to "native". you need to change the properties for tgp.c, tgp.h, tgp_gui.c. and add the Id tag for their svn:keywords setting as well. the eol-style change will affect your line endings, and will create whitespace that will need to be removed... good luck...          now isnt that clearer????
17:57:39  <RichK67> a beginning, a middle, an end
17:57:48  <Tron> and will create whitespace that will need to be removed.. <--- NO
17:57:55  <Tron> the whitespace was already there
17:58:04  <glx> but wasn't detected
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17:58:09  <Tron> there was just a ^M after it
17:58:17  <peter1138> there's 3 cases of trailing whitespace in tgp.c
17:58:20  <RichK67> same effect...
17:58:34  <peter1138> one in tgp_gui.c
17:59:09  <Tron> apropos... i have a script for this kind of problem
17:59:16  <glx> RichK67: and re-type the /* $Id$ */ line before commit
17:59:21  <Hackykid> maybe the precommit hook should scan for ^M and complain if one is found?
17:59:43  <peter1138> Hackykid: we said that 10 minutes ago ;)
18:00:09  <Hackykid> didnt you say ^m should be treated as whitespace?
18:00:15  <Tron> read the svn book chapter about properties, please. it's quite informative
18:00:16  <Hackykid> hmm, nvm
18:00:21  <RichK67> HackyKid: agreed it should all be automated
18:00:23  <Hackykid> amount to the same really :-p
18:00:29  <peter1138> Hackykid: pretty much :)
18:00:42  <CIA-3> tron * r5135 /trunk/music/qtmidi.c: Forgotten Id tag
18:00:59  <peter1138> heh
18:01:05  <peter1138> bjarni strikes again ;)
18:01:11  <Hackykid> something like default properties would be handy, too :-p
18:01:31  <Tron> yuck, i ran my "clean up the mess"-script on trunk
18:01:40  <peter1138> did it leave anything behind?
18:02:19  <Tron> there are 26 files, which have some kind of oddities
18:02:24  <Tron> that means:
18:02:28  <Tron> - wrong eol style
18:02:31  <Tron> - trailing whitespace
18:02:38  <Tron> - no \n at EOF
18:02:44  <Tron> - trailing empty lines
18:02:57  <RichK67> good - its not just me then
18:03:08  <Hackykid> which is BAD, not good
18:03:10  <Hackykid> :O
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18:03:52  <RichK67> BTW... as i asked earlier; do i need to change eol-style for the documentation pages??
18:04:03  <peter1138> any text file, yes
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18:08:17  <Belugas> RichK67, I have a zip file here, containing svn documentation. Quite helpfull.  At work, I use svn, at home Tortoise.  The doc applies to both.  Do you want it?
18:08:41  <RichK67> i have both ... they are not written well; ive found them hard to follow
18:09:05  <peter1138> probably it doesn't explain things 3 times ;p
18:09:12  <Tron> i don't think the svn book is hard to follow
18:09:12  <RichK67> also, since a lot is optional and depends on what platform etc, then it doesnt say what applies to the OTTD SVN
18:09:19  <RichK67> FO
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18:09:24  <peter1138> heh
18:09:32  <Tron> the integrated help in the svn client sucks, though
18:09:35  <peter1138> serious attitude problem
18:10:06  <Belugas> the help on Tortoise is a lot more complete. I like it very much
18:10:26  <Belugas> I mean...
18:10:41  <Belugas> it is the book, kind of
18:10:48  <CIA-3> tron * r5136 / (28 files in 8 dirs):
18:10:52  <CIA-3> Fix various style bugs:
18:10:54  <CIA-3> - Trailing whitespace
18:10:56  <CIA-3> - Trailing empty lines
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18:10:58  <CIA-3> - Missing newline at EOF
18:11:00  <CIA-3> - Missing svn:eol-style native
18:11:10  <Belugas> and it even compares to svn regular operations
18:12:56  <CIA-3> richk * r5137 /branch/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.txt tgp.c tgp.h tgp_gui.c): [MiniIN]: Updated eol-style and keywords on new files. (Thanks to Tron for pointing out, and everyone else for explaining what he meant in the most condescending way possible.)
18:13:42  <Tron> i didn't point it out, it was glx
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18:15:47  <Tron> if anybody interested in the script: it's on my ftp named "whitespace"
18:16:44  <CIA-3> tron * r5138 /trunk/yapf/ (binaryheap.hpp blob.hpp): Two more like r5136
18:17:23  <peter1138> hmm
18:17:25  <peter1138> why am i still here?
18:17:35  <Tron> because you haven't left
18:17:45  <Tron> but that's just a guess
18:17:57  <peter1138> correct though
18:18:57  <Belugas> because it is so pleasant in here, nobody want to leave!
18:19:06  <peter1138> :D
18:19:09  <peter1138> well, i'm going home
18:19:17  <Belugas> Home... what a strange place to be o_O
18:19:26  <Tron> ::1, sweet ::1
18:20:40  <Noldo> Tron: oh, that's what it is in ipv6?
18:21:01  <Tron> yep
18:21:30  <Noldo> neater than in ipv4
18:23:56  <hylje> s/neater/nastier ?
18:25:26  <CIA-3> richk * r5139 / (65 files in 14 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk. r5087-5136
18:25:57  <Tron> hylje: 127.0.0.1 is way more to type than ::1, therefore "neater"
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18:26:31  <Tron> ok, you can shorten it to 127.1 in IPv4
18:26:33  <Tron> still longer
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18:29:51  <Rubidium> Tron, do you have any objections/suggestions to http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/engine_aging.diff or http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/engine_aging_2.diff (only difference is naming of enums)?
18:30:23  <Tron> what does it do?
18:30:38  <RichK67> possibly renames some enums??
18:30:45  <Rubidium> two things: it moves some magic numbers to enums
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18:31:10  <Belugas> Home Sweet Home... well, right now, is not quite sweeter then the office.  My cellphone keeps on ringing for work, even at home :(
18:31:39  <Rubidium> and it changes the behaviour if you start after 2050; if you start after 2050, you will get the reliability the engines 'had' in 2050 (as after 2050 aging of engines stops)
18:32:28  <Tron> so a consistency problem gets fixed
18:32:43  <Tron> starting after 2050 gave different results than starting before and waiting
18:33:09  <Tron> sounds good to me
18:33:29  <Tron> hm, i don't like the 365.25
18:34:25  <Rubidium> yes
18:34:27  <peter1138> 366 is used elsewhere
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18:34:42  <peter1138> or just used 365
18:34:50  <peter1138> i'll only be a minor inconsistency
18:35:25  <Rubidium> could also be 365, as that does not matter that much I guess
18:35:46  <Tron> well, 365.25 is right for the date ranged covered by ottd and can be exactly represented as floating point number
18:36:00  <Tron> but in general...no, i don't like it
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18:37:39  <peter1138> * 1461 / 4 ?
18:38:21  <Tron> yes, but still
18:38:26  <peter1138> magic
18:38:56  <Tron> but if the date range gets increased before 1900 (no leap year) ...
18:39:36  <Rubidium> I know, I've been busy with enhancing peter1138's past2090 patch, which currently accounts for leap years etc
18:40:31  <Rubidium> but it is easier to do it when you take the year 0 as base (or 1600)
18:40:51  <peter1138> year 0 as base makes sense
18:41:03  <hylje> starting game at year 0.. sweet
18:41:07  <peter1138> does it take account of 1752?
18:41:22  <RichK67> question about the Id line in new files. when initially creating a brand new file (ie. pre-commit), do you manually enter the Id comment line, or leave it out to be added by the system??
18:41:35  <peter1138> put it in as /* $Id$ */
18:41:45  <RichK67> ty
18:42:03  <Sacro> peter1138: dont bring 1752 into this :P
18:42:11  <Rubidium> no, it doesn't
18:42:43  <Rubidium> but, then you need to take care of the Julian calendar too
18:42:44  <peter1138> of course
18:42:51  <RichK67> when it gets committed, will the "creator" be set to the person who commits? is there any way to appear as the initial creator, when it is added from a patch file?
18:42:52  <peter1138> years start at 1, not 0 ;)
18:43:25  <Hackykid> whats so special about 1752?
18:43:40  <RichK67> skipped 11days
18:44:07  <Hackykid> heh
18:44:08  <peter1138> Hackykid: cal 9 1752 :)
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18:45:43  <Sacro> Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
18:45:43  <Sacro>        1  2 14 15 16
18:45:48  <RichK67> the julian calendar had got out of sync with the celestial cycle, so mid-summer was about 11days out; so they skipped to correct it, and introduced the Gregorian calendar which does a better job at staying in sync... (i think, from memory, which means im probably wrong)
18:45:51  <Sacro> hmm, something not quite right...
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18:47:24  <Rubidium> though, if you want to account for that, you need to know the country you're in, as that leap isn't done everywhere in the same year
18:47:24  <RichK67> there were riots with people wanting their 11/12 days of life back
18:47:59  <Tron> september 1752 is this above, i guess
18:48:04  <Tron> that's the date for britain
18:48:15  <Tron> they were one of the last countries to make the switch
18:48:30  <peter1138> yeah
18:50:06  <hylje> RichK67: 1752 called, they want their 11/12 days back
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19:03:52  <Rubidium> Tron: I've found an API to calculate the 'exact' date, using ConvertYMDToDay, is that better? (http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/engine_aging_3.diff)
19:05:03  <RichK67> lol - the only tool i have that RELIABLY finds whitespace at end of line... is MS WORD ;)
19:06:22  <Tron> %s/[  ]*$//
19:06:34  <peter1138> vim :D
19:06:51  <Tron> even ed
19:07:04  <Tron> my whitespace script uses ed
19:07:17  <RichK67> hmm... i grew out of command line editors about... 25years ago....
19:07:56  <Hackykid> hmmm... ed, is that like sed?
19:08:11  <Tron> will, without the "s"
19:08:16  <Tron> (Stream)
19:08:21  <Belugas> I'm re-learning using CLI since OpenTTD
19:08:39  <peter1138> RichK67: you lose a lot of power by using gui tools. such as the ability to find line endings :P
19:08:43  <Hackykid> hmm, right
19:08:44  <RichK67> ed, edlin and vi... much hated throwbacks
19:08:48  <Tron> what kind of editor do you use which can detect/kill trailing whitespace?
19:08:54  <hylje> edlin :>
19:09:05  <Tron> every editor supporting regular expressions it's dead easy
19:09:17  <Tron> and i know of some editors which have an explicit option to remove it
19:09:20  <peter1138> even MS VS 2003/2005 support regexs
19:09:24  <RichK67> ^w^p search in MS Word is fine
19:09:47  <Tron> the latter btw was the reason for the commit hook, because these editors are very, very nasty and produce many stray changes in commits
19:10:25  <Tron> peter1138: but even the latest version of VS still can't properly end the last line of a file with a newline
19:10:39  <peter1138> nope
19:10:44  <Belugas> Tortoise has an advantage over svn, in my opinion.  Each file/folder that are changed can easily be spotted by its icon.
19:10:48  <Tron> which according to the C standard leads to undefined behavior
19:10:55  <peter1138> and it doesn't show trailing whitespace
19:11:01  <Tron> though all compilers i know handle it in a sane way
19:11:03  <peter1138> it's either all whitespace, or nothing, which is useless
19:11:28  <peter1138> Belugas: yeah, if you like it taking 5 minutes to display
19:11:31  <hylje> undefined behaviour :)
19:11:33  <Tron> :set list
19:11:36  <Tron> in vi is rather nice
19:11:41  <peter1138> exactly
19:11:49  <peter1138> it just does it right
19:11:50  <Tron> it shows tabs as ^I and the line ending explicitly as $
19:11:52  <RichK67> in regexp... what search finds whitespace at eol??
19:12:02  <Tron> <Tron> %s/[  ]*$//
19:12:07  <Belugas> peter1138 my machine is fast enough to handle that :)
19:12:09  <RichK67> i have Notepad2 which supports it.
19:12:10  <peter1138> / +$/
19:12:13  <Tron> % -> all lines
19:12:19  <Tron> s -> substitute
19:12:26  <peter1138> hmm, yeah, need tabs too
19:12:31  <Tron> s/$PATTERN/$REPLACEMENT/
19:12:39  <peter1138> Belugas: you'd think an athlon 2400+ could cope...
19:12:45  <Tron> between the [] there's supposed to be a space and a tab
19:13:20  <Tron> [] -> match anything between the []
19:13:20  <Belugas> Duron 900, 300ram is enough!
19:13:25  <Tron> * -> any number of times
19:13:29  <Tron> $ -> the line end
19:13:38  <Tron> and replace it with nothing
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19:16:33  <peter1138> Belugas: when you've got a folder with a couple of dozen svn repos, it's not fast :)
19:17:40  <Rubidium> Tron: http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/engine_aging_3.diff <- better?
19:18:06  <Tron> probably yes
19:18:13  <RichK67> ty, ill use Notepad2 to do final cleanup then
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19:19:03  <Tron> if you're eager move the date conversion before the loop
19:19:19  <Belugas> peter1138 I have : trunk, reference, newcargo, newindustry, newhouse, tfc_newmap.  Agreed it takes a bit of time to display icons on the folders, but once the main directory is opened, it is quite comfy
19:20:12  <peter1138> i've ... a bit more than that :-)
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19:22:06  <RichK67> try %s/[\t ]+$//  finds/replaces on lines that have one or more of a tab or space, followed by end of line
19:22:49  <Tron> hm?
19:22:50  <peter1138> isn't that what was said?
19:23:51  <Tron> yes, it is
19:23:52  <RichK67> said, but not encoded.... you had the space+, and spoke of doing the tabs as well
19:24:13  <Tron> my stupid irc client just doesn't allow me to enter tabs
19:24:15  <RichK67> look - im trying to learn this stuff....
19:24:49  <RichK67> since you guys haul me over the coals when it isnt "perfect" according to the "rules"
19:25:07  <Tron> also + isn't canon in regexpes
19:25:57  <RichK67> if it works, its good enough for me, regardless of whether it meets the ISO-**** standard
19:26:18  <Tron> it might work with some regexp libs
19:26:27  <Tron> with others it doesn't
19:26:47  <Tron> %echo 'asd   ' | grep ' +$'
19:26:47  <Tron> %
19:28:13  <RichK67> but is there a line break there.... or just an EOL
19:28:32  <Tron> hm?
19:28:54  <RichK67> ie chr 0A or a chr 00
19:29:01  <glx> where?
19:29:10  <RichK67> in 'asd  '
19:29:14  <Tron> ASCII 0 ist NUL
19:29:21  <Tron> that's never part of a text file
19:29:30  <Hackykid> echo adds a newline by default
19:29:46  <glx> RichK67: it was an example of non handled '+' in regexp
19:29:51  <RichK67> ok
19:30:08  <RichK67> shows not all command line systems are worth the effort ;)
19:30:31  <Hackykid> huh?
19:30:37  <Tron> (egrep, grep -e or escaping the +, i.e. \+, handles the +, btw)
19:30:41  <peter1138> funny thing is, you sound like someone in denial ;p
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19:31:21  <Tron> RichK67: explain, i don't understand what you mean
19:31:31  <RichK67> no, in hatred... i absolutely detest every occasion i have to use something where it takes a magic set of -e -w -crap modifiers to get it to do anything
19:31:44  <Tron> it's called backward compatibilty
19:31:49  <RichK67> WIMPs are an improvement
19:31:51  <Tron> er... with less typos
19:31:56  <Tron> + came later
19:32:02  <RichK67>  it's called backward
19:32:15  <Hackykid> ohoh
19:32:27  <Tron> and existing programs using using + as regular char in a regexp shouldn't get broken
19:32:50  <Tron> RichK67: go troll elsewhere
19:33:47  <RichK67> im not trolling, im answering peter's "denial" question... it is my 100% opinion... if it isnt kosher to have such opinions... then im not the one with a problem ;)
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19:35:14  <peter1138> hmm, damn, openttd.grf sprites 95 to 98 are not glyphs :/
19:35:36  <RichK67> ive written manuals in ed, sed, vi, MS Word 2.0, Lotus whatever it was... , MS Word 5, 6, 2000, Aldus Pagemaker.... i would choose ANY of the gui ones every time over the line editors... that isnt a wrong opinion to have is it???
19:35:48  <hylje> yes it is
19:35:48  <Tron> "the ken of many people is a circle with radius zero. They call it their viewpoint"
19:35:57  <peter1138> RichK67: for manuals, no
19:36:50  <peter1138> and what is sprite 635 for, anyway?
19:36:52  <Tron> writing a manual in word? sorry, word isn't suitable to write anything longer than say 3 pages
19:36:58  <Hackykid> hmm, when did the discussion revert to the gui/cli thingy?
19:37:05  <peter1138> Tron: that's about all my manuals get up to :)
19:37:17  <RichK67> lol - true, but often you have to write it in whatever the client wants
19:37:44  <Tron> peter1138: what are 95 till 98?
19:37:49  <RichK67> my largest is 1300+ pages; about 250,000 words
19:37:58  <peter1138> Tron: black arrows for gui parts
19:37:58  <RichK67> in Word
19:38:11  <peter1138> actually, what i am i thinking...
19:39:09  * peter1138 modifies DrawArrowButtons
19:39:47  <RichK67> LOL - Tron: "the ken of many people is a circle with radius zero. They call it their viewpoint"   <- you are entitled to your viewpoint ;)
19:41:45  <Tron> i saw quite some people writing longer stuff, like a diploma thesis or something, in word. and i saw them struggling, when it skrewed up the typesetting etc. for no apparent reason
19:42:05  <Tron> writing anything longer without a proper typesetting system is just plain stupid
19:42:31  <Hackykid> some people like challanges? :-p
19:42:33  <RichK67> yeah, some of it is plain daft... like the format of a section is defined in the section break at the END of the section.....
19:42:58  <RichK67> go on HK... anything to change topics
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19:44:21  <Hackykid> hehe
19:44:40  <anboni> RichK67, you mean there's actually been some consistent logic thinking went into the design of Word?
19:44:54  <hylje> no
19:45:28  <Tron> i advise you to get familar with regexpes. they're a powerful tool, even though from a computer science POV they're the smallest and least powerful class of languages. grep will be always there...
19:45:35  <RichK67> yeah, the flight simulator is very good :)
19:46:01  <RichK67> or is that in Excel, i forget which ;)
19:46:08  <anboni> hehe
19:46:31  <hylje> egrep
19:46:34  <Osai> hey RichK67, we start a new coop game tonight
19:46:49  <RichK67> sure - ive printed a list of the regexps.... sitting in front of me... i will probably switch permanently to Notepad2 to use it
19:47:03  <RichK67> hi Osai:   need a TGP landscape??
19:48:49  <Osai> join #openttdcoop
19:49:23  <hylje> hmm
19:49:57  <hylje> how should i remove files whose filename matches a regexp recursively in a directory system
19:50:22  <RichK67> carefully ;)
19:50:46  <Hackykid> hmm
19:51:01  <Hackykid> rm `find | grep "regexp"` or so
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19:51:34  <Hackykid> hmm can be better though
19:52:11  <valhallasw> what the...
19:52:31  <valhallasw> If Ï want to update to rev 5132
19:52:34  <Tron> find . -exec grep -q $PATTERN {} \; -exec rm {} \;
19:52:34  <valhallasw> svn up -r 5132
19:52:41  <valhallasw> would be the right thing to do, right?
19:52:48  <glx> valhallasw: yes
19:53:14  <hylje> hmm, the directories have spaces in them too
19:53:17  <valhallasw> ...aaah nm
19:53:22  <Hackykid> Tron: hmm, interesting
19:53:28  <valhallasw> it's updating to r5132 in the /047 branch
19:53:49  <Tron> svn info .
19:54:03  <valhallasw> URL: svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.4.5
19:54:10  <Tron> there's your answer
19:54:15  <valhallasw> 21:53 < valhallasw> it's updating to r5132 in the /047 branch
19:54:16  <valhallasw> ;)
19:54:20  <Tron> svn switch svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk
19:54:25  <Tron> if you want trunk
19:55:13  <Tron> i doubt it does that. that would be a rather gross and therefore probably known bug in svn
19:55:15  <glx> or svn://svn.openttd.org/branch/0.4 if you want 0.4.7 + bugfixes
19:56:34  <Tron> valhallasw: or do you mean "it displays a new version number but doesn't change any files"?
19:56:43  <valhallasw> nope Tron
19:56:51  <valhallasw> that was what I needed :)
19:57:00  <valhallasw> ottcoop main is switching to SVN again ;)
19:57:12  <Tron> *shrug*
19:57:17  <Sacro> great scott, 1.21 GIGAWATTS
19:59:12  <Tron> watching to much back to the future?
19:59:59  <valhallasw> hrm...
20:00:05  <RichK67> thats about the power of a radar i used to work on ;)   1.25GW down a beam about 2ft across at the radar aperture :)    cook them birds!!!!
20:00:17  <valhallasw> ===> Generating table/strings.h
20:00:17  <valhallasw> lang/english.txt:2861: Error: Undefined command 'WEIGHT'
20:00:18  <valhallasw> (...)
20:00:23  * valhallasw curses
20:00:44  <glx> wrong strgen i guess
20:00:50  <valhallasw> hm
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20:05:15  <valhallasw> okay fresh dir works
20:05:15  <valhallasw> so...
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20:12:24  <peter1138> a fairly route loss, eh
20:13:49  <RichK67> yeah, looks like we survived that split :)
20:13:51  <Darkvater> he, had some eol-style fun I see ;p
20:13:58  <hylje> RichK67: no we didnt
20:14:14  <RichK67> me, me say nothing... its all in the .log ;)
20:16:07  <Darkvater> oh yeah, read it... :)
20:17:14  <Darkvater> RichK67: better get acquainted with the command line :)
20:17:38  <RichK67> heck, i know i need guidance... its just the more experienced could be a little clearer giving it.... ive only been programming C for 7mths... and SVN is still a bit of a mysterious world
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20:18:58  <Darkvater> well I might be slightly biased but Tron was absolutely clear
20:19:01  <RichK67> weird really - in my current work, a command line system would be a significant step up... we are literally coding in hex
20:19:03  <glx> RichK67: warning in rail_cmd.c (Autosignal)
20:19:04  <Darkvater> although I already know svn :p
20:19:18  <RichK67> glx: MiniIN?
20:19:23  <glx> yes
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20:19:38  <glx> that's why I say it to you RichK67 :)
20:19:42  <RichK67> you'll have to specify, cos my build was clean
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20:20:31  <Darkvater> ok checking airport diff :)
20:20:44  <glx> ===> Compiling rail_cmd.c
20:20:44  <glx> rail_cmd.c: In function `CompleteAutoSignals':
20:20:44  <glx> rail_cmd.c:726: warning: 'exit_tile' might be used uninitialized in this function
20:20:50  <RichK67> woohoo
20:21:11  <glx> RichK67: just add an INVALID_TILE near exit_tile declaration
20:21:30  <Darkvater> peter1138: hehe commit r5134, nice :D
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20:22:13  <peter1138> ^^
20:22:33  <peter1138> i've a patch that makes strgen complain if its input is invalid
20:22:37  <RichK67> still dont get a warning here :(
20:22:58  <peter1138> not applied as it, er, breaks on everything except ukrainian and russian
20:23:08  <Darkvater> RichK67: it depends on the compiler
20:23:32  <Noldo> and switches
20:24:45  <RichK67> hmm... exit_tile is declared on 726, and initialised in both halves of an if... i will have to have words with Hazelrah...
20:25:01  <RichK67> exit_tile = INVALID_TILE;  ??
20:25:06  <glx> yes
20:25:31  <RichK67> ty
20:26:40  <glx> RichK67: bad coding style too :)
20:26:54  <CIA-3> richk * r5140 /branch/MiniIN/rail_cmd.c:
20:26:54  <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [SignalAutoCompletion]: exit_tile needed initialisation prior to use in AutoCompletion function.
20:26:54  <CIA-3> Thanks to glx for spotting it.
20:27:06  <Hackykid> hmmm
20:31:20  <CIA-3> peter1138 * r5141 /branch/utf8/ (lang/english.txt strgen/strgen.c table/control_codes.h): [utf8] Add strgen codes SMALL[LEFT|RIGHT]ARROW for using original sprite-based '<' and '>' as GUI controls (in difficulty settings and patches windows)
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20:38:33  <RichK67> DV: any problems with airports you can see?
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20:47:10  <Belugas_Gone> good night
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20:54:15  <Darkvater> RichK67: yes, I took a shower ;p
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21:01:17  <RichK67> lol:)
21:01:23  <[Shaman]> ooOOoo another miniIN update
21:01:59  <glx> [Shaman]: no new patch in it
21:02:19  <[Shaman]> glx: it's still updated :)
21:02:19  <RichK67> just trunk, and bugfixes
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21:04:53  <[Shaman]> no vs_80 sln file for mini_in tho.. ah well.. let's make one :P
21:05:52  <Hackykid> hmm, got a pbs diff against r5069 now, i'll take on r5070 (new bridges stuff) next weekend or so :-p
21:06:44  <Sacro> Hackykid: nice one!
21:08:45  <[Shaman]> thar, vs80++
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21:11:07  <RichK67> well done...
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21:18:58  <[Shaman]> now lets see if we can compile :o
21:20:04  <[Shaman]> dmksctrl.h .. is from the DX sdk i presume
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21:54:54  <[Shaman]> RichK67: Ping
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21:56:13  <RichK67> pong
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21:56:48  <[Shaman]> when compiling I end up with this:
21:56:48  <[Shaman]> landscape.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol @GenerateTerrainPerlin@8 referenced in function @GenerateLandscape@0
21:56:48  <[Shaman]> main_gui.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol @ShowGenerateLandscape@4 referenced in function @ScenEditLandGenWndProc@8
21:56:48  <[Shaman]> misc_gui.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol @ShowGenerateLandscape@4
21:57:03  <[Shaman]> you happen to know what that is?
21:57:15  <Darkvater> you're missing tgp.c
21:57:29  <RichK67> check that tgp.c is in your list of files for compiling
21:57:31  <Darkvater> why aren't you just using openttd.sln?
21:57:45  <[Shaman]> Darkvater: I upgraded that .sln to vs8.0
21:58:27  <RichK67> hmm... need an easy path from Makefile -> .sln :(
21:58:28  <Darkvater> that should not not make it work
21:59:06  * [Shaman] attempts again
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21:59:31  <[Shaman]> Darkvater: The 'origional' sln didn't have tgp.(h|c) either.
21:59:48  <Darkvater> ah... bad RichK67 ;)
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22:00:15  <[Shaman]> ooOoooo different errors now
22:00:20  <[Shaman]> wait
22:00:26  <[Shaman]> still the 2nd and third :o
22:00:45  <glx> try tgp_gui.c too :)
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22:01:45  <[Shaman]> indeed
22:01:51  <RichK67> bah!! if there was a guide to what requirements are needed for other compilers, then i could update the Makefile -equivalents
22:01:52  * [Shaman] rebuilds
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22:02:43  <Darkvater> RichK67: isn't that simple? If you add a file you need to change the appropiate build-files
22:02:47  <[Shaman]> ========== Rebuild All: 3 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped ==========
22:02:51  <Darkvater> eg makefile, and openttd.vcproj
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22:03:10  <Darkvater> don't bother openttd.dsw and don't even try to do anything with that crap OS2 project nightmare
22:03:22  <Darkvater> those guys should be shot, on the spot
22:03:28  <RichK67> i only know of Makefile... im new to C, let alone C using a different compiler to the one i use... gimme a break!
22:03:56  * [Shaman] gives RichK67 a break
22:04:01  <[Shaman]> I know how you feel :p
22:04:50  <RichK67> if you sort it out, PM me the file, and i will add it to the branch
22:04:58  <RichK67> PM the diff even
22:05:07  <RichK67> or a .patch, or .....
22:05:10  <[Shaman]> It 'seems' to work
22:05:40  <[Shaman]> though I doubt a .patch/.diff would be usable since it'll have my settings all over the place :p
22:06:43  <[Shaman]> odd.. the .exe file size went from 1.8m to 2.8m O_O
22:09:11  <[Shaman]> ah ffs
22:09:32  <[Shaman]> invalid version of language files
22:10:59  <CIA-3> glx * r5142 /branch/MiniIN/openttd.vcproj: [MiniIN]: [TGP]: Add tgp*.[ch] in openttd.vcproj
22:11:16  <[Shaman]> AH!
22:11:19  <glx> RichK67: this is how it can be done :)
22:11:45  <[Shaman]> it runs \e/
22:11:58  <[Shaman]> ahem
22:12:01  * [Shaman] crashed it ^^
22:12:53  <RichK67> okk... thanks glx :)
22:13:09  <RichK67> (the first non-richk contribution) :)
22:13:09  <[Shaman]> I think it might -not- be a wise thing to load old scenarios in a new miniIN :P
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22:14:01  <RichK67> yeah, my understanding of writing old version parsers is poor - it may not like it
22:14:31  <[Shaman]> well at an attempt to load an old scen it just.. crashed :P
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22:16:16  <[Shaman]> ah, when in release mode it gives a nice error
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22:17:35  <RichK67> the version has been bumped, although ive not checked if it is still +1 compared to trunk... previous MiniIN games should have real problems too
22:18:19  * [Shaman] nods
22:20:48  <RichK67> lol - it is so tempting to accidentally select "SVN Commit" instead of "SVN Update" in Tortoise on the TGP patch :)
22:21:01  <[Shaman]> lol
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22:41:11  <Sacro> all gone quiet
22:41:13  <Belugas> home... peace and quiet...at last :)
22:41:24  <Belugas> quiet is good
22:41:48  <Belugas> hello Sacro, i'm about to put my kid in his bath
22:42:07  <Sacro> Belugas: that'll ruin the quiet :)
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22:43:05  <Radio> I CAN'T GET NO! I CAN'T GET NO! NO SATIS FACTIOON, NO SATIS-FACTION!
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22:43:13  <lws1984> :p
22:43:18  <Sacro> tune
22:43:23  <lws1984> lol
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22:45:53  <Belugas> PLOIUFFFF
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22:48:47  <Sacro> ?
22:49:53  <Belugas> my kid is in his bath :)
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22:57:38  <Sacro> ok
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23:09:36  <Sacro> hmm, its 6/6/6
23:09:49  <gradator> ;)
23:10:19  <gradator> and 6h6m6s in about 5h here ;)
23:10:34  <Sacro> 6 hours here
23:12:21  <Prof_Frink> He is awake
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23:28:18  <Darkvater> gn all
23:28:58  <lws1984> gnight
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