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00:00:13 <KUDr> first i want to spectate there 00:00:28 <KUDr> if it is something interesting for me or not 00:01:04 <Sacro> i think they welcome spectators 00:01:58 <KUDr> long reading on web 00:07:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75B9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:10:14 *** Trenskow [i=outlet@85.218.142.136] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:10:56 <KUDr> uhh rules seem to be too complicated... 00:11:00 <Sacro> lol 00:11:05 <Sacro> whats the site? 00:11:13 <KUDr> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Sandbox_Server 00:12:12 <Sacro> thanks 00:14:32 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:15:08 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-550.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:22:18 <[Shaman]> I tried openttdcoop before, was fun, though i'm interested in that auto-pause thing :o 00:22:23 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:22:58 <Sacro> [Shaman]: check Brianettas Auto Pilot 00:23:20 <[Shaman]> @forums? 00:24:04 <Sacro> yep 00:26:06 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 00:27:09 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-4474.bb.online.no] has quit ["Bunchie!"] 00:30:45 <Ihmemies> so, no one tho shove iron bar crosswise to that fagwit's ass? 00:31:14 <Sacro> ? 00:32:41 <Ihmemies> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/openttdcoop_unlimited_14th_jul_2090_210.png 00:32:46 <Ihmemies> someone might find that amusing, I don't 00:33:04 <Ihmemies> aargh :( 00:33:12 <[Shaman]> o_O 00:33:31 <Ihmemies> priority :P 00:33:59 <Sacro> hmm, thats happened to me before 00:34:58 <Tobin> Hehe. 00:35:13 <Tobin> Soo silly. 00:37:01 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 00:38:28 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:42:15 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:43:24 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:43:27 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:45:44 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 00:49:19 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:35 <[Shaman]> Sacro: I'll just write my own one :o 01:01:40 <[Shaman]> gives me something to do 01:02:30 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80290.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 01:02:32 <Sacro> [Shaman]: true 01:02:47 <[Shaman]> plus it gives me a chance to test the new Mono i compiled 2 days ago 01:02:56 <[Shaman]> took me fooking hours and i haven't even tested it :o 01:03:16 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176107097.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 01:04:02 <[Shaman]> I.. can even add things like votes to it :o 01:04:11 <Sacro> [Shaman]: yeah, ive got mono installed, but ive never used c# 01:04:25 <Sacro> ive been working on PHP mainly 01:04:28 <[Shaman]> Sacro: you should update to 1.1.15 :P 01:04:33 <Sacro> hmm 01:04:34 <[Shaman]> fixes a LOT of .net 2.0 bugs 01:04:54 <[Shaman]> 1.1.13 was latest release afaik, .15 is current svn :o 01:05:04 <[Shaman]> their svn commit number is > 61000 :o 01:06:39 <Sacro> ive got 1.1.15 already 01:07:19 *** _Red is now known as Red 01:07:35 <[Shaman]> k :) 01:16:07 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:16:33 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-103-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 01:16:49 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 01:19:37 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:21:08 *** Jerre [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:27:06 <[Shaman]> how odd 01:27:13 <Sacro> what? 01:27:24 <[Shaman]> even when C# is starting ottd (in dedicated mode) with CreateNoWindow set to true 01:27:32 <[Shaman]> Ottd still manages to create a console O_O 01:27:38 <Sacro> lol 01:28:12 <Sacro> 2:30am, bedtime, night 01:28:13 <glx> catch it 01:28:27 <Sacro> glx: ? 01:28:31 <[Shaman]> glx: I'm catching more than that normally should be possible 01:28:33 <[Shaman]> does not work 01:28:36 <Sacro> oh well, night 01:28:37 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-213-249-186-212.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 01:28:47 <[Shaman]> startInfo.CreateNoWindow = true; 01:28:47 <[Shaman]> startInfo.WindowStyle = ProcessWindowStyle.Hidden; 01:28:58 <[Shaman]> that's twice the 'effort' to hide the process window 01:29:00 <[Shaman]> fails both 01:29:18 <[Shaman]> works on any other program 01:29:20 *** Klanticus [n=klanticu@200-171-19-196.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit ["Fui embora"] 01:29:22 <[Shaman]> except Ottd 01:30:03 <glx> but I think you can redirect input and outpu of the console 01:30:08 <[Shaman]> yes 01:30:12 <[Shaman]> but you don't need a console for that 01:30:23 <[Shaman]> i got everything redirected to 'my' console 01:30:28 <[Shaman]> yet the ottd console still exists 01:35:51 *** TPK [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:36:17 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-164-217.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:36:27 *** TPK is now known as ThePizzaKing 01:36:30 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 01:36:37 <glx> #ifdef WIN32 01:36:37 <glx> // For win32 we need to allocate an console (debug mode does the same) 01:36:37 <glx> CreateConsole(); 01:36:37 <glx> CreateWindowsConsoleThread(); 01:36:37 <glx> SetConsoleTitle("OpenTTD Dedicated Server"); 01:36:38 <glx> #endif 01:36:58 <glx> [Shaman]: you can't prevent the console creation 01:42:52 *** _Red is now known as Red 01:45:35 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 01:45:56 *** Born_Acorn 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flame. 09:35:48 <Tron> i don't care what you think it is, do it elsewhere 09:40:05 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:43:00 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:48:43 <peter1138> -optimize[+|-] Enables code optimalizations 09:48:48 <peter1138> optimalizations? o_O 09:49:37 <[Shaman]> no excessive error checking perhaps? 09:51:06 <Tron> peter1138: this makes it even better than optimal... oh, wait... 09:53:35 <[Shaman]> odd 09:53:40 <[Shaman]> with latest svn i get a build-error :o 09:54:29 <[Shaman]> .\network.c(394) : error C2065: 'IFREQ' : undeclared identifier 09:54:30 <[Shaman]> BSCMAKE: error BK1506 : cannot open file '.\release\dmusic.sbr': No such file or directory 09:55:02 * [Shaman] attempts again 10:02:15 <[Shaman]> Tron: You happen to know what's causing that network.c error? 10:03:07 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-550.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( 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10:24:22 <CIA-14> tron * r5293 /trunk/ (network.c network.h network_udp.c): 10:24:22 <CIA-14> -Fix: Not all network interfaces are capable of broadcasting. Don't record those which aren't 10:24:22 <CIA-14> -Fix: Not all networks are /24. Generate proper broadcast addresses for non-/24 nets 10:25:15 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80290.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:27:05 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host7-229.pool875.interbusiness.it] has joined #openttd 10:27:26 <Wolf01> hi all 10:27:56 <Wolf01> someone can help me to code a feature for ottd? 10:29:13 <SpComb> a bit of detail would probably advance your cause.... 10:30:00 <Wolf01> i want to change the behaviour of the transparent hotkey 10:30:38 <Wolf01> i want to make things transparent in different way, like "only trees" "only buildings" etc 10:30:52 <Wolf01> as you can do in rollercoaster tycoon 10:31:42 <Wolf01> but i can't find the code to change 10:32:02 <eleusis> ! 10:32:08 <eleusis> sounds good :) 10:32:31 <Tron> grep DO_TRANS_BUILDINGS *.[ch] 10:32:32 <ln-> sounds difficult. 10:34:48 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-63-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:36:17 <Wolf01> do_trans_buildings is for all things that become transparent or for buildings only? 10:37:21 <CIA-14> tron * r5294 /trunk/network_udp.c: -Fix: Plug a memory leak 10:37:35 <hylje> oh cia works again 10:37:41 <anboni> in-game, the option is called 'transparent buildings' which transparents everything.. so i'd guess do_trans_buildings is for everything 10:37:46 <Trenskow^> howcome the game date is sometimes before the start date on some servers? 10:38:55 <Wolf01> tron, i can ask you when you plan to merge in the trunk the magic bridges? 10:39:31 <Tron> i don't know if you can do this, try it, but don't expect an answer 10:40:46 <Wolf01> :) 10:41:22 <Wolf01> do you plan to merge the magic bridges patch in the trunk, before the 0.5.0? 10:43:18 <anboni> Wolf01, i'm guessing his response covers any speculation as well :) 10:43:44 <Wolf01> i think it too 10:44:57 <[Shaman]> yay, prevented it to make a console 10:45:27 <eleusis> hmmm 10:45:38 <eleusis> is there a way of adding AI players in a multiplayer game? 10:46:57 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:47:08 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:47:52 <Wolf01> ok, i added 2 new voices to the in-game menu, i'm ready to compile the game and see if they appear... but i think i get some compilation errors instead 10:49:35 <[Shaman]> Tron: Got a patch for trunk that 'skips' the console-creation if the -q switch is specified in the command-line args, any chance it can ever get merged into trunk? :o 10:50:28 <Hackykid> hmm, can i have that patch? 10:51:08 <[Shaman]> it's win32 only though, but sure, lemme upload it 10:51:22 <Hackykid> yeah, thats fine 10:51:29 <[Shaman]> http://80.60.31.82/~shaman/noconsole.patch 10:51:49 <[Shaman]> it basically 'skip's AllocConsole() in CreateConsole() 10:52:04 <[Shaman]> but still does the rest so it -DOES- allow 'leeching' stdin/stdout 10:52:40 <Wolf01> the -f switch which function has? it opens only the help window, where is listed as "fork into the backgroud (dedicated only)"... what mean fork into the background? 10:53:08 <Hackykid> hmm 10:53:35 <[Shaman]> it's a unix-thing 10:53:51 <ln-> Tron: why can't one build a crossing of regular rail and elrail? (non-elrail would be automatically converted to elrail in that case) 10:53:53 <[Shaman]> not sure what it does, probably for daemon mode 10:54:21 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-550.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:54:30 <Hackykid> its to starting it in the backgrouns :-) 10:54:44 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:55:03 <Wolf01> is what i needed, but it doesn't work 10:55:29 <Hackykid> well, is it said, it only works for dedicated servers, you using the switch for that too? 10:55:47 <Wolf01> for the dedicated server :) 10:55:54 <Hackykid> yeah 10:56:25 <Hackykid> well, it doesnt work here either :-p 10:56:45 <Hackykid> -D -f just brings up the help window here 10:56:53 <Wolf01> here too 10:57:05 <Hackykid> hmm, -f doesnt work on windows 10:57:11 <Hackykid> what happens if you do just -D ? 10:57:27 <Wolf01> runs the dedicated server on the shell 11:00:31 <Hackykid> the help window should probably mention -f is unix only 11:01:09 <Tron> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/5291 11:01:25 <Hackykid> ah 11:01:38 <Wolf01> ok 11:02:08 <Trenskow^> Tron, time functions in openttd source ? 11:02:39 <Trenskow^> can't seem to find any 11:02:48 <Wolf01> seems that this time i declared the menu voices correctly :D 11:02:51 <Trenskow^> it's a game... can't be :D 11:03:32 <Hackykid> voices? :-p 11:03:46 <Trenskow^> yea i was wondering about voices to :p 11:04:01 <Trenskow^> Wolf01, do you mean choices ? 11:04:04 <Wolf01> yes sorry, entries 11:04:12 <Wolf01> in italian we call them voices 11:04:14 <Trenskow^> hehe :) 11:04:25 <Hackykid> aha 11:05:25 <Wolf01> ok, no compile errors, the game starts but no new menu entries :( 11:06:37 <Trenskow^> Wolf01, you sure you start your compiled version ? :) 11:06:52 <Wolf01> i think yes 11:07:08 <Wolf01> i recompile it to confirm 11:11:18 <Wolf01> yes i confirm, is the version i compiled now 11:11:25 <Wolf01> but no menu entries 11:11:58 <Wolf01> /* Display Options */ 11:11:58 <Wolf01> enum { 11:11:58 <Wolf01> DO_SHOW_TOWN_NAMES = 1 << 0, 11:11:58 <Wolf01> DO_SHOW_STATION_NAMES = 1 << 1, 11:11:58 <Wolf01> ... 11:12:06 <Wolf01> maybe i mistook here 11:12:22 <Wolf01> how i can add new entries? 11:13:04 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@81.183.160.248] has joined #openttd 11:14:08 <Wolf01> i want to add DO_TRANS_BUILDINGS_HOUSES and _INDUSTRIES to separate the things 11:14:32 <Tron> do you know what an enum is? 11:14:43 <Tron> Trenskow: "time" in whiche sense? 11:15:01 <Tron> Trenskow: real time, ingame time? 11:15:03 <Wolf01> ehm... no.. i never coded in c, only java and basic, but i have a friend that is trying to explain to me 11:15:05 <Trenskow^> real time 11:15:12 <Trenskow^> millisecond precise 11:15:14 <Hackykid> hmm, i think the last bit in the struct that saved the display setting was used for the tranparant station signs 11:15:18 <Trenskow^> so time.h won't do 11:15:34 <Tron> Trenskow: what do you need it for? 11:15:36 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 11:15:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o DarkSSH] by ChanServ 11:15:42 <Trenskow^> i'm creating that network filter patch, and i wan't to messure time from server info request to response 11:15:53 <Trenskow^> so i have somekind of lagacy time 11:16:01 <Trenskow^> lagency 11:16:08 <peter1138> latency 11:16:09 <DarkSSH> mornin 11:16:14 *** DarkSSH is now known as Darkvater 11:16:14 <peter1138> morning dv 11:16:21 <Trenskow^> peter1138, thx :) 11:16:27 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498E5B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 11:16:42 <Wolf01> ...going eating 11:16:54 <Hackykid> Wolf01: if i was you, i'd study r2438, it added a display option (it might be and old rev, so old code, but it may still apply) 11:16:55 <ln-> DarkSSH: why can't one build a crossing of regular rail and elrail? (non-elrail would be automatically converted to elrail in that case) 11:17:12 <Darkvater> because there are no pink elephants 11:17:15 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolfolo|AWAY 11:17:15 <Wolfolo|AWAY> Sono away:[ AFK ] lasciate pure un messaggio in segreteria 11:17:16 <Darkvater> I have no idea 11:17:21 <Tron> Wolf01: without some basics in C you won't stand a change 11:17:22 <Darkvater> basically 1 tile can only have 1 rail-type 11:17:24 <Tron> s/change/chance/ 11:18:00 <ln-> Darkvater: if i provide you with a pink elephant, will it change? 11:18:26 <Tron> Trenskow: gettimeofday() resp. similar functions for other platforms 11:18:41 <Darkvater> ln-: it needs to be alive and like its colour 11:18:58 <Trenskow^> hehe ... so i need to make platform independent code... i was kind of hoping it had already been done :) 11:19:35 <Tron> Trenskow: well, thanks to the totally broken way the main loop is handled... 11:19:53 <Trenskow^> Tron, could i use ticks instead ? 11:19:54 <Tron> the graphics backends contain the main loop 11:20:00 <Trenskow^> and maybe convert it to ms 11:20:05 <Darkvater> ln-: you'll have to take this issue up with Celestar, might be desirable for easy drag&drop 11:20:17 <Tron> so all the timing functions used are in there and of course not abstracted 11:21:27 <Trenskow^> hmm 11:21:34 <anboni> Tron, the graphics backends contain the main loop <<< is that also why there's this "hickup" when a game is saved? (especially noticable on large maps ie large saves) 11:21:51 <Tron> no 11:21:51 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E5B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:23 <Tron> the game may not progress in any way while the savegame is made 11:22:32 <Tron> s/progress/proceed/ 11:22:33 <Tron> *sigh* 11:23:03 <anboni> so after the save is done, the game "catches up"? 11:23:05 <[Shaman]> Hackykid: It's working for you as well? :o 11:23:17 <peter1138> no, it just continues 11:23:24 <Hackykid> hehe, not really :-) 11:23:27 <Trenskow^> gotta go 11:23:30 <Trenskow^> cya 11:23:34 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@85.218.143.239] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 11:23:34 <peter1138> unless you're playing on a network game, i suppose 11:24:30 <[Shaman]> Hackykid: openttd -c <config -D -q is what i use to start it, works seamless for me :o 11:24:51 <anboni> peter1138, but whatever it is, i guess that delay when saving isn't easily fixed? 11:24:51 <Hackykid> yeah, i was trying to use it for something else :-) 11:25:02 <Hackykid> ie, hiding the debug console 11:25:03 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a81-197-103-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:25:04 <[Shaman]> heh 11:25:09 <[Shaman]> I can add that if you want? :o 11:25:14 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 11:25:21 <[Shaman]> then again 11:25:27 <[Shaman]> if it's win32 it -should- hide the debug console 11:25:34 <Darkvater> anboni: it is unfixable. You need to take a snapshot of the game in a SINGLE state 11:26:28 <[Shaman]> Hackykid: the -d parser uses CreateConsole() as well, so -q -d might work? :o 11:26:48 <anboni> so it writes the savegame state to disk straight away, or does it make a memory copy first and then write that out? 11:27:03 <Hackykid> [Shaman]: lol, now it crashes 11:27:06 <[Shaman]> o_O 11:27:37 <[Shaman]> yah same for me o_O 11:27:38 <Darkvater> anboni: it does a memory copy, then continues the game and writes it to disk in the bg 11:27:48 * [Shaman] puzzled 11:28:28 <anboni> guess there's not a lot of optimizing left to do on that one then.. bummer 11:28:42 <Darkvater> that hickup is minimal, max 2-3 seconds 11:28:52 <Wolf01> ok, back to coding the new feature: trying to understand how works the menu 11:29:08 <anboni> yeah, but it's quite annoying if you're scrolling across the map right at that time (with autosave, that is) 11:29:30 <Hackykid> Wolf01: read my last line to you 11:29:40 <[Shaman]> Hackykid: Fixed. 11:29:41 <[Shaman]> :P 11:29:44 <[Shaman]> openttd.c 11:30:01 <Hackykid> well, maybe the thread priority of the saving thread can be set lower? 11:30:02 <[Shaman]> added a if (!_noconsole) to it 11:30:09 <Hackykid> ah 11:30:11 <Wolf01> ok i'll try with that rev 11:30:32 <Hackykid> something was trying to do something with the nonexisting console 11:30:34 <[Shaman]> I think I'll move that part till -after- all the args. 11:32:43 <Hackykid> Wolf01: look here: http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/changeset/2438 11:33:01 <Wolf01> yes i'm already there 11:33:34 <Hackykid> ok :-) 11:34:00 <Wolf01> i added these two lines 11:34:00 <Wolf01> case 13: _display_opt ^= DO_TRANS_BUILDINGS_HOUSES; break; 11:34:00 <Wolf01> case 14: _display_opt ^= DO_TRANS_BUILDINGS_INDUSTRIES; break; 11:34:00 <Wolf01> but i forgot to change 11:34:00 <Wolf01> w = PopupMainToolbMenu(w, 43, 2, STR_02C3_GAME_OPTIONS, 12); 11:34:01 <Wolf01> to 11:34:03 <Wolf01> w = PopupMainToolbMenu(w, 43, 2, STR_02C3_GAME_OPTIONS, 14); 11:34:18 <Hackykid> ah :-) 11:35:22 <[Shaman]> Hackykid: http://80.60.31.82/~shaman/noconsole.patch 11:35:31 <[Shaman]> 'updated' it slightly 11:36:19 <[Shaman]> it will wait with making the debug box untill after running through all the options 11:36:24 <[Shaman]> so -d -q should also work 11:37:10 <[Shaman]> time to add it to help 11:37:13 <Hackykid> hmm, my 'svn' is behaving weirdly 11:37:35 <Hackykid> $ svn cleanup 11:37:35 <Hackykid> svn: Can't move '.svn/tmp/entries' to '.svn/entries': Permission denied 11:38:09 <Ihmemies> maglevs need longer priorities because of the speed..? 11:38:42 <[Shaman]> sudo svn cleanup? :o 11:38:57 <Hackykid> there is no sudo heh 11:39:04 <Hackykid> its cygwin 11:39:40 <Hackykid> so i got tortoise to fix it hehe 11:39:43 <Hackykid> but still annoying 11:40:02 <Hackykid> (as tortoise cant use that patch on my miniin wc) 11:40:34 <Hackykid> but patch can 11:42:27 <Hackykid> ah cool, it works now 11:42:42 *** Trenskow [i=outlet@85.218.143.239] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:42:43 <[Shaman]> yeh 11:42:48 <[Shaman]> fixing it, posting it afterwards 11:42:53 <[Shaman]> hope it'll get in trunk :P 11:45:20 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-63-62.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 11:46:02 <[Shaman]> I wonder -why- it is crashing o_O 11:46:34 <[Shaman]> hm 11:46:36 * [Shaman] fiddles 11:50:40 <[Shaman]> does fdopen(0, "r" ); work in win32/unix as well ? :o 11:50:47 <[Shaman]> since it's now in cygwin only 11:54:10 <peter1138> ah, my first phone call on this xda 11:54:20 <peter1138> it's a bit big 11:55:01 <[Shaman]> peter1138: you happen to know that if I don't do AllocConsole in CreateConsole() [win32.c] , and you try to run in debug mode, it crashes? 11:55:08 <[Shaman]> while in dedicated mode, it just works 11:55:51 <peter1138> should there've been a "why" there? 11:56:12 <[Shaman]> eh, yeh 11:56:21 <[Shaman]> I typed that between 5 alt-tabs :p 11:57:02 <[Shaman]> with http://80.60.31.82/~shaman/noconsole.patch to it, basically it 'ignores' the AllocConsole if you run it -q .. but if you run it -d -q it just crashes for some unspecified reason :/ 11:58:15 <peter1138> presumably because it's trying to use a console that's not been allocated, or somesuch... 11:59:05 <[Shaman]> eh 11:59:08 <[Shaman]> -q normall works ;) 11:59:28 <[Shaman]> it tags into stdin/stdout/stderr, just without a console 12:01:27 <[Shaman]> it's only -d that does it 12:01:30 <Wolf01> uhm... Hackykid, menu entries still not appear, i modified all what you have modified 12:03:13 <Darkvater> what is the problem with the console? 12:03:24 * peter1138 > out 12:03:59 <[Shaman]> Darkvater: in win32, if you do not allocate a console (Just the AllocConsole() ) in debug mode, it crashes 12:04:20 <Darkvater> I don't remember openttd crashing in debug mode under windows 12:04:22 <[Shaman]> Dedicated mode works fine, it just runs in the background without a console (but with stdin etc) 12:04:33 <[Shaman]> no, I'm trying to adding a console-less switch 12:04:36 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:04:48 <[Shaman]> aka, stdin/stdout/stderr availible, but no console 12:04:51 <Darkvater> whatfor? just compile it in release mode 12:04:57 <Darkvater> ah, no additional console 12:04:59 <Darkvater> ok 12:04:59 <[Shaman]> eh 12:05:01 <[Shaman]> -D ;) 12:05:11 <[Shaman]> + hooking stdin/stdout 12:05:28 <[Shaman]> but, with -d it just crashes 12:06:23 <Hackykid> Wolf01: hmm, strange 12:06:32 <[Shaman]> Think i'll just make -q only work with -D 12:07:18 <Darkvater> wouldn't it be easiest to just drop the extra allocated console if the game is started from a console and use that? 12:07:34 <Darkvater> then -d can create a console (as well as -D when started without) 12:07:48 <Darkvater> but I needa some food-makin' ^^ 12:08:08 <[Shaman]> or that :o 12:08:13 <[Shaman]> now -q would work 12:08:28 <[Shaman]> -d will turn off -q, so you still have a debug console 12:08:45 <[Shaman]> but -q -D will work together 12:09:04 <Hackykid> hmm, this station is making too much goods 12:11:22 <CIA-14> tron * r5295 /trunk/network.c: Handle a quirk in the Windows interface detection code and fix a typo in r5293 (thanks to Darkvater for testing) 12:21:50 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-236-219.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:22:25 <[Shaman]> thar 12:22:27 <[Shaman]> Hackykid: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25713 12:23:25 <Sacro> hey all 12:23:32 <[Shaman]> lo Sacro 12:23:41 <Sacro> lo [Shaman] 12:24:53 <Wolf01> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ELZUvE60.html Hackykid, can you see if i made a mistake somewhere? 12:25:03 *** Trenskow [n=Trenskow@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 12:27:17 *** Trenskow [n=Trenskow@80.251.195.1] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:27:57 <Hackykid> hmm, and there are no new menu entries showing? 12:28:02 <Wolf01> no 12:28:53 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:29:51 <Hackykid> hmm, i;ve got no idea... 12:30:02 <Hackykid> seems it should work 12:30:05 *** Forexs [n=forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:30:15 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:20 <Wolf01> maybe if someone can make it works he can finish the feature, i think that i don't put my hands on the code again (or at least for one or tho months) 12:33:08 *** Forexs [n=forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit [Client Quit] 12:38:12 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:44:28 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 12:45:02 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 12:47:07 <CIA-14> Darkvater * r5296 /branch/elrail/: Remove elrails branch as it is already merged into trunk/ 12:48:41 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 12:51:28 *** Darkvater [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 12:52:48 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:53 *** valhalla1hiding [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has joined #openttd 13:02:41 <Sacro> valhalla1hiding: i see youu 13:05:24 *** Zimri [i=Zimri@cpc1-ely13-0-0-cust1001.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:07:23 <Zimri> can anyone point me in the right direction regarding electrified rails for ottd ? 13:08:40 <Tron> there ---> 13:09:11 <Zimri> funny. 13:09:44 <Zimri> Is there an actual grf file i can use, i've noticed it mentioned in the nightly threads on the forums 13:09:54 <Zimri> but can't seem to find anything using the search 13:10:18 <Wolf01> i was thinking <--- there, but you can find it here: http://www.openttd.com/nighly.php 13:10:40 <Sacro> Zimri: the nightly version comes with the relevant grfs 13:10:49 <hylje> That way ---> 13:10:53 <hylje> <--- No, that way 13:10:53 <Sacro> or you can get elrails.grf from the ttdpatch site 13:11:06 * Sacro slaps hylje around with a small 50lb Unix Manual 13:11:27 <Tron> Sacro: NO, don't do that 13:11:34 *** valhalla`hiding [n=valhalla@dsl68-30.fastxdsl.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:11:35 * Sacro sulks 13:11:49 <Tron> at best it doesn't work, at worst it leads to a crash 13:11:57 <Sacro> Tron: dont do what? download the grf from ttdpatch site? or abuse hylje ? 13:12:04 <Zimri> i was under the impression the ttd version was being reworked for ottd ? 13:12:21 <Wolf01> the only thing you can do with elrails is to override the catenary with the dutch catenary set 13:13:47 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:13:49 <Zimri> with the nightly, do i just overwrite the files within my openttd folder ? 13:14:03 <Wolf01> yes 13:14:15 <Wolf01> or you can copy the entire folder 13:14:30 <Wolf01> so you can have a release and a nightly version 13:14:38 <Zimri> ah i see 13:14:56 <Zimri> so basically, just make another folder called openttd2 and use the nightly files in there 13:15:20 <Zimri> or have I missed something 13:15:28 <glx> this openttd2 folder should be a copy of openttd folder 13:15:28 <Wolf01> don't forget to copy the needed files to the new folder 13:15:50 <Zimri> aye glx 13:15:59 <Zimri> well i'll give it a go now 13:16:01 <Zimri> thanks all 13:17:15 <Zimri> well it runs alright 13:17:30 <Sacro> it does :) 13:17:42 <Sacro> i nearly always play nightly 13:17:55 <Zimri> :D 13:18:05 <Zimri> i've not used a nightly before 13:18:37 <Zimri> if i create a scernario or similar using a nightly, will it run alright in standard ottd ? 13:18:44 <Zimri> -r 13:18:47 <Sacro> define standard? 13:18:55 <glx> I don't think so 13:19:15 <Sacro> you can go from 0.4.7-> nightly fine, but not usually go back 13:19:22 <Zimri> ah 13:19:23 <Zimri> ok 13:19:36 <Zimri> i'll keep working on it on the non-nightly version then 13:21:35 <Wolf01> i won't play new nightlies until tron will merge the magic bridges... i stopped to dl them when i found that new not contains the magic bridges... i already suffered for PBS 13:22:19 <Tron> have fun then, you won't be able to load those savegames 13:25:12 <anboni> Wolf01, you could do what i do, use the bridge branch, apply your own preferred patches, compile 13:25:29 <Wolf01> but, you reverted the patch because of magic bridges were merged without your approval or because have bugs? 13:25:34 <CIA-14> tron * r5297 /trunk/network.c: Check the interface flags if IFF_BROADCAST is set before asking for the broadcast address 13:25:57 <anboni> (only downside is that you wont be able to share savegames, and probably wont be able to load them anywhere but your own patched bridges compile) 13:32:39 <Wolf01> there is anywhere a diff to download for the bridge branch? 13:33:31 <glx> just checkout the branch 13:33:36 <Sacro> dont you have svn? 13:34:05 <Wolf01> yes i have tortoise, but i use it only to download the trunk 13:35:44 <Sacro> download /branch/bridge 13:36:05 <Sacro> and then make a diff from that to trunk and there you go 13:36:40 <Wolf01> ok, i try 13:39:58 <Wolf01> how i can diff the whole source? 13:40:36 <Sacro> what do you mean? 13:40:42 <Wolf01> i have 2 folders 13:40:51 <Wolf01> trunk and bridges 13:41:01 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 13:41:34 <Wolf01> i want to make a diff between the 2 folders 13:41:40 <Sacro> errrm, well, in linux it'd be "diff -u from to" 13:43:09 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@81.183.160.248] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:43:51 <Wolf01> i can do it with msys? 13:44:20 <Sacro> yeah 13:47:40 <Wolf01> uhm... i can see the diff on the msys, but no files were created 13:49:02 <glx> add "> file.diff" 13:49:40 <Wolf01> ok 13:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: i am not sure what you are trying to do, but you are probably better off just reverting the revert of the bridge merge, whatever that revision was 13:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> r5155 or so 13:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> otherwise, you should not diff with current HEAD of trunk, but the revision of trunk that is mentioned in the last "sync with trunk" of the bridge branch 13:56:06 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-236-219.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 13:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> otherwise you get all changes since then, which are totally unrelated to bridges 13:59:07 <Wolf01> so, if i want to put bridges as they are in 5148 into 52xx what i have to do? 14:02:46 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-236-219.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:04:15 *** Trenskow [i=outlet@85.218.143.239] has joined #openttd 14:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> get the changes of r5155 14:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> and reverse that diff 14:07:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> i cannot tell yuo the exact commands 14:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it should involve something like svn diff r5154:r5155 and patch -r 14:11:28 <CIA-14> tron * r5298 /trunk/ (network.c network.h): Hide function declarations and remove function stubs which aren't needed in the !ENABLE_NETWORK case 14:11:53 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:48 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 14:24:30 *** Trenskow [i=outlet@85.218.143.239] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:33:32 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 14:34:23 *** White_Rabbit [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:35:56 *** Zimried [i=Zimri@cpc1-ely13-0-0-cust1001.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:02 *** Zimried [i=Zimri@cpc1-ely13-0-0-cust1001.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:36:54 <Wolf01> i leave, we will see later in the forum 14:36:58 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host7-229.pool875.interbusiness.it] has left #openttd [] 14:37:25 <Sacro> hmm 14:39:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> something tells me he should rtfm ;) 14:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> what i told him can't be THAT hard to figure out 14:47:06 *** Zimri [i=Zimri@cpc1-ely13-0-0-cust1001.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:47:47 <ln-> http://tietokannat.mil.fi/helle06/include/thumbnail.php?id=36&width=640 14:48:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> you going somewhere? ;) 14:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> making holidays in iraq? 14:58:55 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:02:12 *** Trenskow [i=outlet@85.218.143.239] has joined #openttd 15:04:54 <hylje> yay, i got a town stuck in appalling 15:04:55 <hylje> .< 15:06:23 <Sacro> lool 15:06:26 <Sacro> bribe:P 15:07:09 <hylje> i did 15:07:12 <hylje> didnt affect 15:07:43 <hylje> and ive had a outstanding train service there for a decade now 15:09:00 *** ZsoL [i=zsol@login09.caesar.elte.hu] has joined #openttd 15:09:58 <Sacro> lol 15:11:58 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp24-254.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 15:13:57 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 15:15:00 <hylje> i also got crazy inflation 15:16:58 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 15:17:13 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:01 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:55 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@85.218.143.239] has joined #openttd 15:22:21 *** ahac [n=ahac@BSN-77-147-195.dsl.siol.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:26:43 <Sacro> grr, need RoRo depots 15:28:04 <White_Rabbit> like with ships! I love ship depots 15:32:17 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80290.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 15:32:39 <Trenskow^> damn this filter patch is getting quite big 15:35:41 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:39:27 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:40:43 <peter1138> toooooooo hot 15:40:59 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:41:36 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80290.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:41:53 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@85.218.143.239] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 15:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is pretty cool here ;) 15:45:14 <lws1984> aaye 15:45:19 <lws1984> but outside;s a killer 15:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean outside here ;) 15:46:09 <lws1984> true 15:49:06 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 15:52:55 <Sacro> hmm, someone killed brianetta 15:53:18 <lws1984> egads! :p 15:57:13 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:16:17 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:23:31 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:23:56 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-50-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:07 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@81.183.160.248] has joined #openttd 16:27:48 *** Vornotron is now known as Vornicus 16:30:25 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:32:55 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:35:04 *** Trenskow [i=outlet@85.218.143.239] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:36:46 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:46:24 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:47:12 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:50:27 *** White_Rabbit is now known as WR-away 17:05:30 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:07:39 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@217.123.28.144] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:08:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:14:39 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:21 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:23:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:26:03 *** ceed [i=ceed@ceed.de] has joined #openttd 17:28:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:33 <Sacro> :| just search on wikipedia for GIMP 17:29:10 <hylje> :o 17:29:11 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish"] 17:31:09 <Sacro> hm 17:32:18 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 17:34:19 <CIA-14> richk * r5299 /branch/MiniIN/ (namegen.c table/namegen.h): [MiniIN]: [ItalianTownNames]: Update to Italian Town Name generator. 17:34:39 *** jonty-comp [i=Jonty@88-107-50-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 17:35:23 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:38 <CIA-14> richk * r5300 /branch/MiniIN/ (12 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: [Subsidiaries]: Update to Subsis patch. Added an option to dis-/allow sister companies to build/remove each others signals 17:49:04 <peter1138> Sacro: what about it? 17:49:24 <Sacro> peter1138: i didnt get The Gimp, but about Gimps in general 17:50:05 <peter1138> i got a disambiguation page 17:50:21 <Sacro> hmm, but i just click on one 17:58:41 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:59:37 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181112134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:01:02 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:22:05 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:23:23 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:39:30 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:47:51 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B81508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:52:19 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E5B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 18:55:47 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E5B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:06 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80290.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:57:48 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80290.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:00:55 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:01:02 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:01:05 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:51 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:51 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:08:38 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-83-100-236-219.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:11:15 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.2/2006051612]"] 19:15:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:20:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:51 <CIA-14> richk * r5301 /branch/MiniIN/ (10 files in 3 dirs): 19:27:51 <CIA-14> [MiniIN]: [SignalAutocomplete]: Updated to latest version. 19:27:51 <CIA-14> Thanks to Hazelrah for latest MiniIN version. 19:28:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:37 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:32:17 <ln-> CIA-14: wtf is MiniIN? 19:32:29 *** TL|Away [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:44 <anboni> mini integrated nightly 19:32:45 <RichK67> ha!! CIA-14 is an automated process... ;) 19:33:17 <glx> RichK67: we call it a bot :) 19:33:44 <RichK67> MiniIN is a blend of lots of patches combined with the nightly 19:34:55 <anboni> so i had this idea of modifying the vehicle display to not just display "loading/unloading" but also to show the total capacity and current amount of cargo... think that would be possible at all to do? and if yes, where would i start looking? :) 19:36:31 <glx> anboni: hmm I think you can add params to the string used for this displaying 19:37:39 <RichK67> yes, sounds like a good idea... look in train / aircraft / ship / road _gui.c 19:38:13 <glx> but can be hard if the train can carry a lot of different cargo 19:38:35 <anboni> glx, true, that part still has me puzzled a bit :) 19:39:15 <glx> my suggestion is easy for everything but trains 19:40:01 <anboni> well.. the window already handles the speed display, and that gets cut off if the station name is very long 19:40:32 <glx> speed display is like 1 cargo type 19:41:06 <anboni> so i guess that would be a start, one can increase the window width manually to accomodate more cargo types.. and when i got the basics working, i can work on making things prettier :) 19:42:20 <anboni> by using the abbreviations (like they're also used in the stations window), i could possibly fit more.. and i was thinking of stripping the Unloading part if the train is loading 19:42:37 <glx> STR_HEADING_FOR_STATION "heading to " and STR_HEADING_FOR_STATION_VEL "heading to, speed" 19:43:29 <anboni> grep on the latter returns nothing 19:43:40 <anboni> but the first is useful, thanks:) 19:43:46 <RichK67> anboni: easiest is to just add a %age, and total tonnage... all other options require adding more complex optional strings 19:43:47 <glx> it's in english.txt 19:44:23 <anboni> glx, ah ok, guess the latter isn't used in game then :) 19:44:34 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 19:45:23 <glx> anboni: it is: STR_HEADING_FOR_STATION + _patches.vehicle_speed 19:45:30 <glx> but indirectly :) 19:45:37 <anboni> good point :) 19:46:47 <glx> RichK67: good idea, but total should be dependant on available cargo type in station 19:47:08 <anboni> ooh, this is nice.. there's also a state LEAVESTATION... maybe it's possible to add something like "departing for ..." :) 19:50:25 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:53:40 <anboni> wow.. what the hell is causing my pc to compile so slow :/ 19:53:56 <glx> windows? 19:54:01 <anboni> no, linux 19:54:09 <glx> don't know then 19:55:41 <CIA-14> richk * r5302 /branch/MiniIN/ (97 files in 11 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk: r5209-5298 19:58:25 <anboni> ok, what did i fuck up?:) 19:58:36 <anboni> Error: !String 0x10AC is invalid. Probably because an old version of the .lng file. 19:59:05 <anboni> i split the loading and departing parts of that case statement and added a static string there 20:00:40 <glx> if you want to add a string, it should be added in english.txt 20:01:14 <RichK67> english roolz u no ;) 20:01:25 <anboni> even if i add a str = "Departing for"; ? 20:01:50 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181112134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:01:59 <glx> string handling in openttd don't work like in other programs 20:02:00 *** WR-away [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:02:04 *** WR-away [i=whiterab@cpc4-oxfd8-0-0-cust713.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:02:11 <RichK67> all text strings should be added to english.txt ... so other languages can translate them 20:02:41 <anboni> RichK67, yeah, i understand that, i just thought i could toss some statics in for the moment, simply to see what the hell it does i the first palce :) 20:02:43 <glx> a StringID is just an uint32 20:02:46 <RichK67> use the brackets { ... } to insert variable values, using the SetDParam procedure 20:03:18 <anboni> ok, it's starting to make sense now :) 20:03:44 <RichK67> glx: has Tron been about this evening? 20:03:45 <anboni> what's the proper way/place to add a string? should i add at the end, or find a related string and place it near there? 20:03:57 <RichK67> at the end is usually better 20:04:10 <RichK67> ultimately it doesnt matter 20:04:22 <anboni> just make sure it's a unique name, i guess? 20:04:31 <RichK67> referee has lost it... sent off 3 20:08:41 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D566.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20:09:02 <RichK67> lol - there is my answer ;) 20:10:37 <anboni> yay! i managed to add a "Departing for ..." string right between Loading / Unloading and the actual "heading for" :) 20:10:57 <anboni> (talk about baby steps :) ) 20:11:09 <glx> it's a good start :) 20:11:37 <RichK67> its ok... my first patch just called "Pause" when the date reached Dec 31st.... now my patches are...err... larger ;) 20:11:43 <anboni> hehe 20:12:21 <anboni> actually my first patch "fixed" a very tiny minor issue.. so tiny and minor that it's still hanging in flyspray somewhere, nobody bothered looking into it just yet :) 20:12:54 <RichK67> sounds like my NewAirports patch... its been ready for upload since about r4950... 20:15:43 *** ProfFrink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:16:53 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:17:04 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 20:25:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:27:20 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:27:20 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:33:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B75EBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:22 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21:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause> from the english string? 21:07:33 <anboni> hmm.. so the game always needs the english.lng, regardless of the language it's configured for? 21:07:45 <DarkSSH> no 21:07:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... at least the language compiler 21:08:00 <DarkSSH> english.txt is master that is used as a template for compiling any language 21:08:02 <anboni> ah yes, good point.. there's a compilter part :) 21:08:21 <anboni> ugh... anyone selling typing lessons? 21:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yhea, csot onyl 1.50, hlept me alos 21:09:06 <anboni> hehe 21:09:15 <anboni> how long did it take you to type that?:) 21:09:23 <Eddi|zuHause> long ;) 21:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause> it is damn hard to do that on purpose ;) 21:09:41 *** DarkSSH [n=tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:10:30 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-87-102-38-90.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:11:36 <Sacro> evening all 21:11:44 <anboni> hi 21:14:42 <anboni> hmm.. having a bit of a brain fart here (ie, it's been too long since i've done some serious programming).. what's the most elegant way to get the index of the first non-zero value in an array? 21:15:29 <anboni> do { i++ } while (array[i]=0); is the first thing i can come up with 21:15:46 <anboni> but i doubt it's the most elegant:) 21:15:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the other way round is probably better 21:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> while..do 21:16:18 <Eddi|zuHause> in case the first is already 0 21:16:38 <anboni> good point 21:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably better to calculate the value when writing into the array, and passing that as virtual length as parameter 21:17:23 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:17:42 <anboni> oh yes, good one 21:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> or you get proper dynamic arrays somewhere, which should have that function built in ;) 21:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Length(a) 21:18:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's probably too much to ask in C ;) 21:19:04 <anboni> hehe 21:19:31 <ceed> ah now i remember why i joined! 21:19:40 <ceed> about 4 hrs ago 21:20:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that is a good start ;) 21:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> would you mind telling us? in case you forget again ;) 21:20:51 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:21:05 <ceed> i'm just uploading the screenshot hehe 21:21:28 <ceed> i just stumbled across openttd by accident, seeing a reactos 3.0 screenshot which featured it 21:21:40 <ceed> transport tycoon was the first game i ever bought for the PC you know ;) 21:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> we all have similar stories... which is why we ended up here ;) 21:22:33 <ceed> http://www.xrc.de/~ceed/signals.png <-- i'm using one way signals where, and i'm wondering why the seconds train won't use the seconds station rail 21:22:45 <ceed> i could've sworn it worked back in transport tycoon (deluxe) 21:23:06 <anboni> in real TTD, it only worked if you used 2 way signals, iirc 21:23:17 <anboni> anyway, in ottd, you'll need to use a pre-signal / exit-signal setup 21:23:18 <ceed> let me try 21:23:29 <hylje> anboni: you dont need, only should 21:23:38 <anboni> hylje, true 21:23:57 <anboni> hmm.. looks like wiki is down :( 21:24:11 <Eddi|zuHause> er... which version and pathfinder are you using? 21:24:21 <ceed> when i place a two way signal in front of it it works 21:24:32 <glx> anboni: no it works 21:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause> try using NPF 21:24:49 <ceed> Eddi|zuHause: i just installed it today and i've been franatically searching for the transport tycoon deluxe cd ;) 21:24:53 <anboni> ceed, that's the quick solution :) the proper solution is to read http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Signals 21:25:03 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Advanced_signal_placement 21:25:05 <anboni> and http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Advanced_signal_placement 21:25:13 <anboni> glx, yeah, was just really slow for a moment i guess 21:26:31 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:04 <ceed> cheers guys 21:28:59 <lws1984> cheers! 21:29:06 <lws1984> where everybody knows your name! :p 21:29:13 <Sacro> hey lws1984 21:29:22 <lws1984> hey sacro 21:30:44 <peter1138> eek, attack for the ubersharp bends 21:32:16 <Sacro> ? 21:35:17 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:35:35 <hylje> yep 21:35:53 <hylje> i stopped using them after enabling the anti-ubersharp 21:40:29 <Sacro> lol 21:44:40 <anboni> http://www.xs4all.nl/~aphb/yay.png 21:44:50 <anboni> (look at the train window status bar :) ) 21:45:43 <Sacro> nice 21:46:03 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 21:46:37 <hylje> hope that makes it to trunk 21:46:37 <lws1984> that looks sweet 21:46:49 <anboni> :) 21:47:20 <anboni> just need to figure out some things... currently, if a train has multiple cargo types, it'll only show the lowest numbered cargo 21:48:06 <anboni> there isn't really enough room to display more than one type in this way either 21:48:38 <hylje> there should be icons for each cargo type 21:48:47 <hylje> then it would be easy to fit 21:49:01 <anboni> hmm.. that's an interesting thought 21:49:28 <anboni> so something like "<icon> 123/250" or something 21:49:34 <hylje> yes 21:50:30 <anboni> oh, and right now it also shows that "loading" line while it's unloading.. that looks a bit silly 21:50:49 <anboni> especially since unload is all done at once, so it's just sitting there with 0 items loaded 21:50:57 <glx> hylje: it's not icons, it's text in small font 21:51:32 <anboni> glx, i think he's referring to the thingies that show in the station waiting display 21:51:36 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.61] has joined #openttd 21:51:51 <Sacro> hmm 21:51:52 <glx> yes it's text 21:51:56 <anboni> ah ok 21:52:03 <glx> it's translatable 21:52:34 <hylje> :D 21:53:53 <glx> STR_ABBREV_* 21:58:12 <anboni> and i'm not quite sure yet how i should handle different numbers of arguments for strings... ie a train with 1 type of cargo will have 2 arguments (currently loaded and capacity).. a train with 2 types of cargo will have 4 arguments 21:59:49 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.61] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 22:01:27 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498DE59.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:23 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:11:35 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@cpc1-shep3-0-0-cust920.leic.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:13:05 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 22:17:07 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Ding, fries are done."] 22:18:29 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498E5B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:22:11 <anboni> glx, i think those STR_ABBREV thingies really aren't what hylje meant... from what i can gather so far, the 'icons' hylje talked about are really sprites that get drawn in the station waiting window 22:22:59 <glx> anboni: it's STR_ABBREV printed on a box green/red box 22:24:54 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@81.183.160.248] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:26:41 <ceed> great i just wanted to check upon the signals and kept playing for an hour 22:26:50 <anboni> been there, done that 22:30:36 <anboni> glx, just to be sure we're talking about the same thing.. http://www.xs4all.nl/~aphb/stationwnd.png that's the 'icons' hylje and I were talking about... from what i've seen so far, those are sprites that are explicitely drawn and not handled by strings 22:30:49 <anboni> (and if i'm wrong, please tell me where to look :) ) 22:31:24 <glx> ok I was wrong :) 22:31:41 <anboni> bummer:) i was hoping there was some easy way to get those thingies in the status bar :) 22:31:45 <glx> those icons should be in 1 of ttd grfs 22:32:28 <anboni> well, i'll just keep that idea as a possible future improvement.. for now, i'm gonna use the STR_ABBREV's i think to cram all cargo types on the one line 22:33:28 <glx> station_gui.c:580 22:34:12 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:34:28 <anboni> yeah, found that one too.. looks like i'd have to put those sprites in the exact spot myself.. dont think i wanna go there just yet :) 22:34:51 *** StarLite [n=Star@ip51cdf126.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:35:45 <anboni> are those STR_ABBREV_* enumerated somewhere? cant really seem to find many references to them 22:36:32 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387D04C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:36:55 <glx> check lang/english.txt and table/strings.h 22:38:17 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:30 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:51:41 <anboni> looks like it's _cargoc.names_short[] 22:52:06 <Eddi|zuHause> [18.06. 00:34] <anboni> yeah, found that one too.. looks like i'd have to put those sprites in the exact spot myself.. dont think i wanna go there just yet :) <- maybe look how it is done with the station signs... afaik those sprites are treated like custom characters (at least in utf-8 branch) 22:53:09 *** TinoM [n=Tino@83.135.208.76] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:53:20 <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, yeah, that's a good one, been looking at that a bit already, but that'll take some bigger changes i think.. gonna get it working in a basic form first:) 22:54:00 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 22:55:47 *** StarLite [n=Star@ip51cdf126.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:56:36 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp24-254.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 23:00:46 <anboni> could it be that {STRING1} eats an extra param? 23:04:28 *** Cxaxukluth [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:04:33 <anboni> http://www.xs4all.nl/~aphb/yay2.png 23:05:23 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> that looks not very good 23:06:23 <anboni> yeah, that tinyfont kinda messes with things 23:06:28 <anboni> or did you mean something else? 23:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> keep it in the normal font 23:06:49 <glx> use another color 23:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and make brackets arpimd 23:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> around 23:07:45 <anboni> yeah, i was thinking other color too.. and how would you say to put the brackets? LV 394 (450) or something else? 23:07:59 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and show "loading" only if >0, otherwise "unloading" 23:08:26 <anboni> dont really know how to keep it in normal font, since i'm using the STR_ABBREV, which have that {TINYFONT} hardcoded 23:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you can also check if "full load" is enabled at the station 23:09:25 <anboni> personally, i'd like being able to see how much a vehicle is picking up even when not set to full load 23:09:59 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:10:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes... i meant to determine wether a vehicle is loading or unloading 23:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> not show this only when full load... 23:10:22 <anboni> ah ok.. i like your >0 suggestion 23:10:33 <anboni> and that's fairly easy to implement too 23:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> with full load, you often get vehicles with 0 cargo, but saying "unloading" would be inappropriate there 23:11:25 <anboni> aah, true 23:11:49 <anboni> but one step at a time.. first let's bring the 'unloading" back :) 23:12:35 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:12:39 *** roboboy [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 23:12:55 <anboni> ok, so that's going to be a new string... should i split the current STR_882F_LOADING_UNLOADING into STR_882F_LOADING and a STR_882F_UNLOADING? or is there a different convention? 23:13:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue about that ;) 23:14:06 <anboni> or maybe leave off the 882F entirely.. i'm sorta guess that's a bit of a relic from the past :) 23:14:15 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah... 23:14:27 <anboni> but i guess i'll have to add two new strings right now anyway, until i've also modified the other transport types 23:15:22 <anboni> glx, do you happen to have a suggestion for the color to use that's easier to read? 23:15:32 <glx> black 23:15:53 <anboni> ok, i'll give that a try 23:20:04 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Connection timed out] 23:21:35 <anboni> http://www.xs4all.nl/~aphb/yay3.png 23:21:47 <anboni> and it now displays unloading at the proper time too :) 23:22:29 <anboni> still need to figure out how to axe that tinyfont, that still doesnt really look good :/ 23:28:23 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@AC8F1DAF.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 23:29:51 <CIA-14> richk * r5303 /branch/TGP/tgp.c: 23:29:51 <CIA-14> [TGP]: Totally reworked and optimised by KUDr to be faster, and more flexible. Three cheers to KUDr... great work! 23:29:51 <CIA-14> Desert is now handled to give a mix of desert even on Mountainous and Hilly. Arctic gets a bias towards higher average height. 23:29:51 <CIA-14> Coasts radically improved. 23:31:03 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:33:12 *** arex\ [n=q@cm-84.211.66.043.chello.no] has joined #openttd 23:33:33 <arex\> What's the "password" in company window for? 23:33:37 <arex\> +the 23:34:13 <RichK67> for when playing network games 23:34:28 *** Hagbard_Ub [n=hagbard@81-235-253-135-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:34:48 <RichK67> without a password, anyone can join your company and spend all the money, crash your trains, etc... password helps stop that 23:35:28 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:35:42 <anboni> RichK67, do you happen to know why a {STRING1} uses my SetDParam(0,..) and then eats my SetDParam(1,..) as well? 23:35:58 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:37:44 <RichK67> hmm... no... i dont tend to write stuff that has dynamic strings much 23:39:16 <[Shaman]> ooOOOo miniIN updates :o 23:39:31 <anboni> oh well, guess i'll see about fixing that tomorrow :) for now it's kludged by adding a SetDParam(1, NULL) :) 23:39:52 <anboni> RichK67, see the result yet? http://www.xs4all.nl/~aphb/yay3.png :) 23:41:20 <RichK67> cool - i would rather have the cargo in larger text... if its a really mixed cargo, then the player can always increase the size of the vehicle window :) 23:41:37 <anboni> yeah, i know.. need to figure out how to do that :( 23:41:50 <anboni> using the STR_ABBREV_* entries now, which have a {TINYFONT} hardcoded :( 23:42:29 <RichK67> ah.. 23:42:43 <anboni> AND i still need to figure out how to display multiple cargo types in the first place :) 23:42:59 <RichK67> ok :) 23:43:09 <anboni> but.. small steps at a time, i'll get there:) 23:43:40 <RichK67> yup... always the way 23:45:56 <Frostregen> RichK67, do you plan to include the copy&paste patch? 23:46:46 <RichK67> yeah - but im trying to get the latest TGP in first ;) 23:47:16 <RichK67> btw can you attach the grf in a zip... i havent installed my .rar handler here :p 23:47:31 <Frostregen> ok ;) 23:49:11 <Frostregen> done 23:49:17 <RichK67> good man :) 23:49:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B754C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:49:39 <anboni> right.. that's enough for one evening :) night 23:49:44 <Sacro> anboni: theres a patch to do that for building wagons 23:49:50 <Sacro> RichK67: you thought about including it? 23:50:15 <anboni> Sacro, to do what? 23:50:20 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25681 23:50:38 <Sacro> that gets a list of refit possibilites 23:50:44 <RichK67> sacro: sorry, which it?? 23:50:54 <anboni> Sacro, sweet, thanks, i'll take a look at that 23:51:06 <Sacro> RichK67: shows refit possibilities for newgrfs in the purchase window, by mart3p 23:51:39 <RichK67> yeah, sounds good 23:52:53 <Sacro> useful with UKRS 23:53:33 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81508.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:54:46 <CIA-14> richk * r5304 /branch/MiniIN/tgp.c: [MiniIN]: [TGP]: Updated to use the new TGP Evolution II, with algorithms by KUDr. 23:55:21 <anboni> will look into that tomorrow, now i'm really off :)