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Log for #openttd on 19th June 2006:
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00:01:26  <RichK67> right - time to go
00:01:28  <RichK67> gn
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00:28:47  <Sacro> hello Corn Baron
00:29:13  <lws1984> egads!
00:29:18  <lws1984> he comes bearing corn!
00:29:51  <Born_Acorn> Or do I?
00:29:56  <Born_Acorn> That, is the question.
00:30:45  <Sacro> or is it not?
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05:00:18  <roboman> hello
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06:49:54  <CIA-14> Darkvater * r5312 /trunk/clear_cmd.c: - Fix (r5288): Be very strict about terraforming. If a rail tile has a foundation already, bail out.
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06:52:37  <DarkSSH> i hope this sorts out the terrafoming probs
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06:54:33  <anboni> DarkSSH, what's your opinion on gigajum's last comment about creating a function? http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25744
06:55:03  <DarkSSH> I would need to read it
06:55:08  <DarkSSH> gimme min
06:55:09  <anboni> obviously:)
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07:12:36  <anboni> DarkSSH, i gotta leave for work in a min, wanna post any thoughts on that issue in a reply on the forum?:)
07:12:49  <DarkSSH> oh, shit, he forgot ;p
07:12:56  <anboni> lol
07:12:58  <anboni> noworries:)
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07:15:34  <peter1138> what's the issue?
07:15:55  <peter1138> oh, creating a function instead of replicating code: generally a good idea
07:16:51  <XeryusTC> indeed
07:17:33  <XeryusTC> saves you alot of time when you need to fix something ;)
07:17:53  <peter1138> :)
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08:31:16  <peter1138> *sigh*
08:31:28  <peter1138> windows a splode
08:31:52  <eleusis> lol
08:32:09  <eleusis> wear protective eyewear!
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08:40:03  <peter1138> argh
08:40:10  <peter1138> case-sensitive usernames--
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08:53:34  <[Shaman]> hm, with the newest miniIN there's a few desyncs :o
08:54:05  <[Shaman]> dbg: [NET] Xaroth reported an error and is closing his connection (desync error)
08:54:05  <[Shaman]> *** Xaroth has left the game (desync error)
08:54:11  <[Shaman]> 3rd time in 20 minutes time
08:54:30  <[Shaman]> can't be the net, since it's on lan, no 'extreme load' on either of the 2 machines
08:54:35  <[Shaman]> just... *bam* desync
09:04:18  <Eddi|zuHause> net problems will ALWAYS issue 'connection lost' not desync
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09:10:09  <peter1138> [Shaman]: doing anything at the time?
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09:10:46  <peter1138> i know there's a bug with placing industries in the TGP stuff currently, dunno if it'll cause desyncs though
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09:15:18  <CIA-14> tron * r5313 /trunk/ (rail_map.h waypoint.h): Move IsRailWaypoint() to rail_map.h and remove unused enum
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09:40:16  <CIA-14> tron * r5314 /trunk/road_map.h: -Regression: When road works started on a road tile with barren roadside the road side turned into trees (caused by r4258)
09:42:12  <[Shaman]> [peter1138]: [Shaman]: doing anything at the time? << Does idling count as doing anything?
09:46:42  <peter1138> heh
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10:17:27  <[Shaman]> peter1138: no problems in the begin years, but i left it running overnight, (left at '67, came back at '97).. got the desyncs when i logged back in
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12:51:04  <Belugas> Good morning evryone
12:51:09  <peter1138> hello
12:51:18  <Sacro> hey
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12:52:27  <Belugas> i feel like going to bed.  Hate monday mornings
12:52:36  <Sacro> me too
12:52:40  <Sacro> oh wait, im in bed :)
12:52:58  <peter1138> lazy sod
12:53:05  <Belugas> And you don't give a **** about what day it is :D
12:53:08  <Sacro> hehe
12:53:27  <Sacro> unless its thursday an i have to sign on
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12:54:46  <Belugas> great
12:55:02  <Belugas> Just received the test I have to perform today
12:55:30  <Sacro> ooh :S
12:55:33  <Belugas> 15 pages, Exception Test Script
12:56:14  <Sacro> lol
12:56:16  <Sacro> fun'
12:56:58  <Belugas> like... NOT
12:57:21  <Belugas> because, ONCE MORE, cannot do OTTD stuff
12:57:55  <Belugas> newcargo is on a real stop since... well... a long time now
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12:58:46  <MeusH> hello
12:58:48  <MeusH> DarkSSH: ping
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14:01:40  <_bitwise> hola
14:01:51  <_bitwise> old ttd user, new openttd user here
14:01:54  <_bitwise> I have questions :)
14:02:18  <Prof_Frink> Do you now?
14:02:22  <_bitwise> in the trainlist, what does the little dot next to the train number mean? (sometimes it is "unlit", sometimes it is green)
14:03:05  <Prof_Frink> Profitability rating. Not sure quite how it works, but green is good.
14:03:23  <glx> grey for first 3 years
14:03:30  <_bitwise> groovy
14:03:49  <MeusH> yellow means low profit
14:03:56  <MeusH> 0-10000 pounds, I think
14:04:05  <MeusH> green means > 10000 pounds per year
14:04:11  <MeusH> red dot means loss
14:04:22  <_bitwise> I just started my first openttd game.  Haven't really explored much of the new features.. mostly interested in playing the game again in windows at high res. :D
14:04:29  <_bitwise> I am looking forward to getting addicted again *sigh*
14:04:53  <_bitwise> I did groove on the engine upgrade function.  That is quite nice.
14:04:54  <MeusH> DarkSSH: ping
14:05:13  <_bitwise> MeusH: thanks
14:05:29  <_bitwise> I have noticed that the tradition "force depot" doesn't quite work very well with openttd :|
14:05:30  <MeusH> no problem
14:05:37  <MeusH> Autoreplace is really nice feature
14:05:39  <_bitwise> that sort of tweaked my head.
14:06:05  <Prof_Frink> _bitwise: use goto depot instead
14:09:50  <_bitwise> hrm
14:09:54  <_bitwise> I will investigate that.
14:10:04  <_bitwise> but its well known that this http://internettrash.com/users/ttdxcentral/images/service3.gif doesn't work as it used to?
14:10:34  <Sacro> depends on the pathfinder
14:10:44  <MeusH> use orders
14:10:55  <MeusH> put a depot in trains orders and the problem is gone
14:11:32  <Sacro> brb shower
14:11:47  <Prof_Frink> Unless the depots are on multiple parallel tracks and the train needs to go to any one of them
14:12:15  <_bitwise> ok.. but I am correct in that the bahvior is _not_ the same as the original ttd?
14:12:26  <_bitwise> s/bahvior/behavior
14:12:47  <peter1138> it's probably changed somewhere. you can get rid of the straight through bits
14:12:55  <_bitwise> actually, now it seems to handle a depot .. yeah what peter said
14:13:13  <peter1138> though... it should work
14:13:14  <peter1138> hmm
14:14:07  <_bitwise> that used to be unreliable a bit... especially if I happen to have one of those on a track where the train exiting the station wants to go towards a resource that's the opposite direction from the track direction (it'll get there with a clover leaf at some point)
14:14:19  <_bitwise> but my first game from last night doesn't have anything that complicated yet :)
14:14:30  <_bitwise> I think I will be a frequent visitor here for a bit :P
14:14:37  <peter1138> _bitwise: what happens for you with that arrangement?
14:14:46  <peter1138> it appears to work for me
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14:15:26  <Sacro> peter1138: it depends on the PF
14:15:43  <_bitwise> peter1138: actually, its random, sometimes the train will try to cross into the straight bit, and it will turn back sometimes 3 or four times and then chose the right path into the depot
14:16:10  <_bitwise> Sacro: I have everything set as default for 0.4.7
14:16:22  <peter1138> that's probably the difference
14:16:39  <_bitwise> peter1138: what.. the path finding algo?
14:16:42  <Sacro> i cant remember what default is
14:17:10  <peter1138> well, i'm using a newer version
14:17:15  <Sacro> it should work with OPF, but im guessing NTP, NPF and YAPF will try and avoid the depot
14:17:15  <peter1138> Sacro: ntp
14:17:38  <peter1138> NTP or NPF are the only options in 0.4.7 iirc
14:17:42  <Sacro> yeah...thought it would be, you'd need opf for that to work
14:17:54  <_bitwise> are all these things in the release?
14:17:58  <_bitwise> or are they in the nightlies?
14:18:08  <peter1138> YAPF is in the nightlies only
14:18:13  <peter1138> OPF doesn't exist anymore for trains
14:18:28  <Sacro> yup, NTP, or NPF only
14:18:29  <peter1138> (and doesn't in 0.4.7, i think)
14:18:47  <peter1138> hmm, 15:18, time for a lunch break? ;p
14:18:53  <_bitwise> hmm, so it should work with OPF and that doesn't exist anymore? :P
14:19:05  <_bitwise> ok, bbiab , cleaning lady is gonna clean my desk.
14:19:07  <_bitwise> she's a nazi
14:19:10  <Sacro> _bitwise: OPF = original path finder
14:19:15  <peter1138> no, dunno what Sacro was talking about :P
14:19:41  <Sacro> peter1138: 0.4.7 only has NTP and NPF
14:27:33  <_bitwise> and opf is gone from the dev tree now?
14:29:33  <_bitwise> ok, reading the wiki.  ntp is an improved version of the original buggy path finding that we all loved
14:30:05  <_bitwise> npf is the glorious global path finding that works and works for everything but can be cpu intensive for oodles of trains and big maps
14:30:55  <_bitwise> which means.. if I am not using the new fangled signals anywhere yet, ntp should be what I want.
14:31:12  <_bitwise> I have no idea what it is using since I am not running right now.  I am "working". :)
14:31:46  <_bitwise> hmm, the wiki says both of them are disabled by default.
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14:35:10  <_bitwise> the only option related in my untouched openttd.cfg file is new_pathfinding_all (npf) and it is set to false.
14:35:34  <_bitwise> which means I have no idea what is enabled by default :D
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14:37:07  <_bitwise> I have killed the conversation.
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14:40:45  <Sacro> im back
14:40:58  <Sacro> _bitwise: NTP by default
14:42:26  <_bitwise> so ntp is so much improved that it doesnt like the classic force depot. :|
14:43:22  <Sacro> dunno, never used NTP or force depot
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14:46:31  <_bitwise> Sacro: you just put depots into the trains orders everytime?
14:46:47  <Sacro> _bitwise: if i need to, yeah
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14:51:32  <Brianetta> NTP will always be the network time protocol, to me.
14:52:28  <_bitwise> Brianetta: amen
14:52:54  <_bitwise> ok, work is over, time to fire it up and expirement a bit :)
14:53:09  <_bitwise> maybe this one will work as expecte http://internettrash.com/users/ttdxcentral/images/service4.gif
14:53:21  <_bitwise> s/ecte/ected/
14:54:33  <Sacro> you can do / depot \
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14:54:51  <Sacro> -----/depot\--
14:55:27  <Sacro> lost terminal...sounds like a bad day at waterloo!
14:55:47  <Prof_Frink> Standard irssi quit message IIRC
14:56:31  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: probably if you shutdown without closing it, and the tty ends
14:56:54  <Prof_Frink> no, it's the quit message
14:57:22  <Sacro> lol, ok
14:57:29  <Sacro> i dont use irssi muchj
15:02:54  <_bitwise> There still seems to be that bug where you can't get above "Very Good (72%)" rating at a station no matter how much you have trains waiting for good constantly.
15:03:20  <_bitwise> and it used to be if you had a train waiting for goods almost all the time, production would increase.  I don't see that happening.
15:05:22  <Sacro> production is related to input
15:05:26  <Sacro> with goods
15:05:31  <Sacro> and steel
15:08:32  <_bitwise> not "goods" goods.. perhaps product is better term.
15:08:38  <_bitwise> right now I am speaking specifically of oil
15:09:03  <Prof_Frink> oil *wells* cannot increase prodn
15:13:07  <_bitwise> but they can fluctuate?
15:13:08  <Sacro> nope, they can only decrease as they run out
15:18:21  <Frostregen> hmm, anyone knows what the company color-color indices are? and if i have to use a special draw command when using this with buttons?
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15:19:18  <_bitwise> weird, mine fluctuates. :|
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15:25:21  <Sacro> Frostregen: check ttdpatch tiki
15:25:50  <Sacro> AFIAK, you just use certain colours on the pallete
15:26:18  <Frostregen> when using this in stations and vehicles. yes
15:26:44  <Frostregen> doesn't seem like the conversion is done for buttons by default
15:27:12  <Sacro> hmm, not surre then
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15:38:11  <peter1138> some gui parts are already company coloured
15:38:16  <peter1138> so, look at them
15:38:29  <Frostregen> I'm on it
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15:49:26  <Sacro> anyone still here?
15:49:37  <Belugas> from time to time, yes :)
15:49:43  <Belugas> so that makes it two
15:49:58  <Sacro> yup, was getting bored
15:50:55  <Belugas> Don't have the luxury of getting bored :(  So enjoy it for me hehe
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15:57:04  <Frostregen> ok, works
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16:00:12  <Frostregen> hmm, would it be an option to change the DrawSprite call in DrawWindowWidgets to use company colors?
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16:03:16  <Frostregen> the blue is double used
16:03:22  <Frostregen> but looks quite interesting ;)
16:03:50  <Sacro> lol
16:06:39  <