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00:05:05 <RichK67> watch your whitespace ;) 00:05:30 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 00:05:39 <CIA-3> richk * r5387 /branches/MiniIN/ (station_cmd.c vehicle.c): 00:05:39 <CIA-3> [MiniIN]: [AdditionalOrders]: Fix. Trains from old savegames now set Full Load 100% correctly. Station max_wait_time initially set to 0. 00:05:39 <CIA-3> Corrections from gigajum. Many thanks. 00:07:08 <gigajum> nice, i get an error while starting the game 00:07:36 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176102026.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:07:37 <gigajum> gfxinit.c line 377 00:08:01 <gigajum> load_index == SPR_TEMPSNOW_BASE 00:09:19 <Frostregen> guess you need the grf without the 2 deleted airports? 00:09:34 <gigajum> ok 00:10:15 <gigajum> now :) 00:13:49 <RichK67> the airports are hard coded; the .grf just provides the sprites - and still includes the district airports 00:18:33 <Frostregen> maybe just an outdated airport grf 00:19:03 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:19:13 <gigajum> it's working :) 00:19:17 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 00:19:43 <gigajum> i'm thinking about the day length patch 00:19:52 <gigajum> why it is sometimes / and sometimes * 00:19:55 <RichK67> im thinking about bed ;) 00:20:05 <gigajum> lol 00:20:31 <gigajum> not only you 00:20:53 <RichK67> 15 commits.... that will do for one night 00:21:26 <gigajum> nice :) 00:22:06 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176113170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:23:39 <RichK67> five full patches, 6 if you include newairports getting ripped out and reinserted 00:24:32 *** Lord^^Pas [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 00:26:11 <gigajum> then you can go to bed :) 00:26:29 <RichK67> ty... gn 00:26:41 <gigajum> n8 RichK67 00:26:45 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:26:59 <gigajum> Frostregen there? 00:32:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B7549A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:32:43 <gigajum> n8 all 00:33:10 *** gigajum [i=lucy@dslb-084-056-143-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 00:35:34 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:38:41 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:43:41 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-101-110.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:44:11 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-141-200-65.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 00:44:22 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-101-110.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 00:55:13 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 01:10:20 *** tank_ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:10:21 *** tank [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 01:10:37 *** tank is now known as tank_ 01:12:15 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:12:36 *** pv2b [n=pvz@c80-216-45-134.cm-upc.chello.se] has joined #openttd 01:14:09 <pv2b> is there documentation (other than the source code of course :-) for how the openttd scenario savegame format is built? 01:14:37 <pv2b> (i'm trying to build a computer program to convert geographic altitude data into an openttd scenario :-) 01:15:18 <glx> there's no real doc about savegame format 01:15:37 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:39 <pv2b> grrrrrreat! RTFS it is! 01:15:43 <pv2b> :-) 01:15:55 <glx> but what you want to do looks like loadpng patch 01:16:05 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 01:16:06 <pv2b> omg 01:16:07 <pv2b> loadpng? 01:16:23 <pv2b> urlage 01:16:34 <glx> it's on the forum 01:16:53 <pv2b> on tt-forums.net? 01:17:02 <glx> yes 01:18:04 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176102026.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 01:18:43 <pv2b> i only find this, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23058&start=40&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=loadpng is thsi the thread you meant? 01:20:34 <glx> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=280398#280398 <-- it's a really old patch though 01:22:34 <glx> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=428471#428471 <-- the latest version is here 01:26:15 <pv2b> omg 01:26:17 <pv2b> you are the own 01:26:21 <pv2b> thank you!!! :D 01:26:47 <pv2b> you just saved me a few hours of coding :-) now i just have to scratch my head to get past the inevitable bit rot 01:28:23 <pv2b> (that or just use svn to get an older revision to apply that patch to :-) 01:29:02 <glx> common solution is to get the rev of the patch then update 01:29:30 <pv2b> sounds sensible 01:29:55 <glx> it's easier to fix conflicts that way 01:31:12 <pv2b> if you at all desire to bother with conflicts. you can just use the older revision anyway ;-) 01:31:20 <pv2b> and then continue working in the newer revision 01:31:43 <glx> yes scenario made in old version must load in newer 01:32:11 <pv2b> well, yeah, but the contour generation is really the only part I want to do. 01:32:17 <pv2b> the rest will be done in 0.4.7 01:33:21 <glx> oh you just want to do the landscaping 01:33:29 <pv2b> to begin with, yes 01:33:51 <pv2b> then i'll do the rest of the stuff 01:50:24 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 01:58:22 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-211-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 02:10:24 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:13:20 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:13:28 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 02:31:14 <pv2b> which direction is north by convention? 02:31:19 <pv2b> toward upper right or toward upper left? 02:38:49 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:56:20 *** imav [n=gregg@S0106000c419cf9d8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:00:23 <imav> can anyone point me to where I can find a binary of the linux i386 binary dedicated server that will work with ottd 0.4.7? I can only find the nightly and the archive of nightlies 03:13:03 <Vornicus> ...this is what I get for ignoring the forum for a week. 03:13:09 <Vornicus> A page and a half of new posts. 03:13:18 <imav> I unfortunately haven't the means to compile it myself 03:13:42 <Vornicus> I can't help you there, imav. 03:13:48 <imav> bummer 03:20:23 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36234.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:21:34 *** tank [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 03:23:12 *** tank_ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:23:13 *** tank is now known as tank_ 03:27:10 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:39:59 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:44:36 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36234.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:54:08 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 04:06:51 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:19:22 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:25:20 <Vornicus> FINALLY 04:25:28 <Vornicus> I am done reading the General OpenTTD forum. 04:31:57 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:36:40 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 04:50:51 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:56:42 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 04:59:48 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:00:18 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 05:24:24 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["He's gone, Jim."] 05:53:00 *** Xaroth_ [n=shaman@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 05:58:50 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 06:00:35 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:01:44 *** Xaroth [n=shaman@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:14:00 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 06:21:43 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:38:34 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:41:45 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:50:08 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 06:53:41 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:06:47 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:07:32 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:10:36 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:12:21 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:13:44 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 07:19:55 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:20:38 *** Richlv [n=rich@81.94.235.186] has left #openttd [] 07:21:09 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:22:52 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:11 *** dst_ [n=dennis@p213.54.84.32.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #openttd 07:30:24 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:39:25 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 07:40:51 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 07:41:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 08:03:52 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:10:33 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:19:54 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 08:20:06 <MeusH> hey 08:23:50 <ln-> do you need to say "hey" every time you enter the channel? 08:23:58 <peter1138> HEY! 08:24:17 <peter1138> been trying to meet you 08:24:21 <peter1138> hey 08:24:26 <peter1138> must be a devil between us 08:25:17 <peter1138> or whores in my head, whores at my door, whores in my bed 08:25:22 <peter1138> but hey 08:25:23 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62-99-243-225.geidorf.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 08:25:31 <valhallasw> zomg its Mucht|work 08:25:41 <peter1138> where, have you, been if you go i will surely die 08:25:43 <valhallasw> Mucht|work: have you seen brianetta's evilness? 08:25:59 <Mucht|work> valhallasw: what happened? 08:26:11 <valhallasw> he set us up the bomb* 08:26:16 <Mucht|work> omg 08:26:20 <valhallasw> *) random passwords at the sandbox server 08:26:35 <Mucht|work> omfg 08:26:38 <valhallasw> with a webpage to check on them :o 08:26:44 <Mucht|work> at the wiki? 08:26:50 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3E16F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:52 <valhallasw> which can only be uses through the wiki 08:27:06 <valhallasw> luckily, we've got hax ;) 08:27:13 <peter1138> heh 08:29:35 <MeusH> ln- you're so evil 08:31:05 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CE8A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:31:22 <MeusH> hey TinoM 08:31:32 <MeusH> ln-: next time I'll say hi 08:33:57 *** Trenskow^ [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 08:40:36 *** Richk67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:50:25 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:54:57 <TinoM> hi MeusH 08:56:14 *** Ammler [n=irc@78.126.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 08:57:55 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-5-92.easynet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:47 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 09:18:37 <peter1138> Richk67_wrk: fancy integrating my canals patch? 09:19:58 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:22:59 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:23:56 <Trenskow^> Richk67_wrk, hello... my internet wen't down yesterday, so I didn't hear how i should give you the MiniIN patch for the network filter 09:30:15 <peter1138> wen't ? 09:31:13 <TheMask96> :) 09:31:20 <TheMask96> pete'r :) 09:43:22 <TL|Away> peter1138: we aren't all that amazingly good in the english language as you are :p 09:44:17 *** Trenskow^ is now known as Trenskow 09:46:32 <peter1138> yeah, but... "wen't" ? 09:46:39 <TL|Away> okay okay, I agree 09:46:41 <TL|Away> but still :) 09:52:44 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:53:06 <peter1138> Richk67_wrk: what's with the backports? surely that'll happen as part of syncing with trunk? 09:53:54 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:57:21 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:42 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 10:03:19 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:03:57 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:07:41 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691917057.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 10:10:09 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:10 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:10:23 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:05 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-5-92.easynet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:14:46 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-5-43.easynet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:15:31 <ln-> http://dubai.isnuts.googlepages.com/ 10:18:29 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 10:23:13 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:31:03 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:31:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 10:32:41 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 10:35:52 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:38:51 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:43:06 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:43:24 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-5-43.easynet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:03:32 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:07 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 11:16:12 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:16:14 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 11:17:44 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:17:50 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:18:24 <Brianetta> How's everybody? 11:19:16 <ThePizzaKing> well 11:19:58 <Brianetta> sweet 11:20:06 <Brianetta> I'm tunnelling socks over ssh 11:20:19 <Brianetta> and I'm IRCing with a locally installed IRC client for the first time 11:20:23 <valhallasw> how? 11:20:23 <Brianetta> (from work) 11:20:39 <valhallasw> sis socks tcp-based? 11:20:57 <SpComb> can't you just ssh to your irssi from work? 11:21:18 <Brianetta> SpComb: I could, if I thought irssi was worth the space on the hard disk 11:21:39 <Brianetta> Normally I'd either ssh and use ircII 11:21:40 <SpComb> irssi is worth it's weight in platinum :o 11:21:47 <Brianetta> or I'd tunnel my X connection over ssh 11:21:53 *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH 11:22:11 <Brianetta> Today I'm running locally, and tunnelling my client ocnnections, via SOCKS, over ssh. 11:22:32 <Brianetta> The cut'n'paste is faster, and I can click URLs to start a local browser 11:22:54 * Brianetta pats the sandbix 11:24:56 <Sacro> valhallasw: what is 007F? 11:26:05 * Sacro needs more fonts i think 11:26:53 <Brianetta> isn't in Helvetica 11:28:09 <Sacro> im using ClearlyU PUA 9 11:28:37 <Sacro> hmm, dont see it in bitstream vera sans 11:30:16 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Disappearing /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\"] 11:31:34 <Brianetta> Shutting down socks... 11:31:48 <Brianetta> jio 11:31:49 <Brianetta> jio 11:31:52 <Brianetta> die 11:32:02 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:32:48 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 11:33:10 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:33:24 <Brianetta> That's better 11:33:28 <Brianetta> Back to X over ssh 11:33:38 <Brianetta> socks sucked - many of my IRC servers wouldn't connect through it 11:34:10 <Sacro> hmm 11:35:19 <vondel> 1 11:35:23 <vondel> oops 11:35:35 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:39:14 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 11:40:16 *** Jango [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:40:28 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:41:29 <Jango> bonjour 11:41:50 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-211-013.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:24 <Sacro> Jango: holas 11:44:00 <Jango> si si 11:45:43 <Jango> miniIN seems to be making progress 11:45:51 <Jango> do lots of people use it nowadays? 11:46:02 <hylje> do ships have any slowdown at locks 11:46:54 <peter1138> no slower than they normally are 11:47:16 <hylje> nice 11:48:40 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:50:12 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye Bye etc etc"] 11:50:26 <hylje> so its practically more efficient to use locks to lift the canal above a railway instead of the other way 11:50:57 <vondel> looks nicer too ;) 11:51:36 <hylje> yes 11:53:41 <Jango> well, tbh, ships go so slowly that the difference in raising would result in a negligable difference in profit, compared to trains 11:54:34 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-165-190.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:19:31 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:20:09 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:10 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35E80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:11 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:38:29 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:52 <Brianetta> Ships suck, but not as hard as canals 12:40:10 <peter1138> canals just need to be about 1/8th the cost they are now 12:40:18 <peter1138> that's the only issue 12:40:22 <Brianetta> They suck so hard that Dyson are looking at their patents for infringement 12:40:34 <peter1138> mmmhmmm 12:40:36 <Jango> ho ho....um 12:40:39 <Brianetta> You can build, and some other sod can remove them to allow for his tracks 12:40:51 <peter1138> Brianetta: bzzt, i fixed that 12:40:54 <peter1138> a while ago 12:41:01 <Brianetta> They're owned? 12:41:05 <Brianetta> Private property? 12:41:06 <peter1138> yus 12:41:07 <peter1138> yus 12:41:20 <Brianetta> Are they shared? 12:41:22 <peter1138> in r5084 12:41:37 <peter1138> anyone can use them, but whoever built them gets rights on the tile 12:41:46 <Brianetta> That's not so bad 12:42:00 <Brianetta> I hate it when people remove my swimming pool tile from my HQ 12:42:04 <hylje> yay, crashed three trains because i commanded teh wrong one to ignore signals :b 12:42:07 <peter1138> well, they can't now :-) 12:42:16 <peter1138> also 12:42:17 <Brianetta> hylje: Three?! 12:42:22 <hylje> yes 12:42:25 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=459520#459520 12:42:38 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:42:38 <hylje> first two, then third because it went a route i didnt expect 12:42:46 <peter1138> d'oh 12:43:41 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:44:05 <Brianetta> Hmmmzes 12:44:22 <peter1138> now i *don't* think you wanted to do that 12:44:23 <Brianetta> Opening any window or dialogue - including a context menu - makes my IRC client lose its connection to the X server. 12:44:29 <Brianetta> I must look into that. 12:44:57 <hylje> on canals, are viaducts possible 12:45:11 <peter1138> viaducts over them, yes 12:45:15 <peter1138> not aqueducts though 12:45:55 <Brianetta> I want to see bridges that can carry more than one mode of transport, either side by side or on decks 12:46:15 <Brianetta> Then it'd be worth sticking a sign by a bridge to name it (: 12:46:41 <Brianetta> Goes without saying that comes after the joined-up bridge support. 12:47:13 <hylje> or just bridges which are effectively platforms 12:47:29 * Brianetta nods 12:47:47 <peter1138> so yeah, sea-level canals could be built with my patch 12:47:56 <peter1138> currently anyone can remove them... 12:48:29 <peter1138> (because it's just plain water/land) 12:53:10 <MiHaMiX> hmm 12:53:16 <MiHaMiX> afternoon 12:53:16 <CIA-3> miham * r5388 /trunk/lang/ (french.txt hungarian.txt polish.txt unfinished/afrikaans.txt): 12:53:16 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-27 14:52:55 12:53:16 <CIA-3> afrikaans - 13 fixed, 1 changed by TrueTenacity (14) 12:53:16 <CIA-3> french - 13 fixed by belugas (13) 12:53:16 <CIA-3> hungarian - 1 fixed by miham (1) 12:53:17 <CIA-3> polish - 1 fixed by meush (1) 12:53:59 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 94% - 4087 bad strings out of 73528 strings 13:19:51 *** trogdorx [n=eirik@cm-80.111.203.151.chello.no] has joined #openttd 13:20:03 <trogdorx> bash.org 13:20:03 <trogdorx> bash.org 13:20:05 <trogdorx> hmm 13:20:08 <trogdorx> im not banned yet 13:20:10 <trogdorx> kickass 13:20:15 <hylje> :> 13:20:24 <trogdorx> Ok, openttd server for linux 13:20:34 <trogdorx> Fedora core, are there any rpm packages available? 13:21:02 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:21:17 <MeusH> IIRC no, either download binaries or download source and compile it yourself 13:21:24 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 13:22:15 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:24:24 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:26:32 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 13:30:25 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35E80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 13:49:14 <Ihmemies> why z1 is not refittable to rubber? 13:49:17 <Ihmemies> but everything else? :D 13:49:20 <Ihmemies> we demand JUSTICE 13:50:11 <imav> an extension to trogdorx 's question, doe that go for pretty much all linux distros? (gotta compile it yourself?) 13:53:51 <Brianetta> Cheesecake, tiramisu 13:53:57 <Brianetta> this is teh office in which to work. 13:54:00 * Brianetta sips tea 13:54:07 * Brianetta IRCs 13:58:14 <Sacro> Brianetta: skiving? 13:58:23 <Sacro> imav: what was trogdorx's question? 13:58:35 <Brianetta> Sacro: Skiving? No! Working! 13:58:38 <imav> he was looking for linux dedicated server binaries 13:58:46 <imav> er 13:58:51 <hylje> gentoo got dedicated available 13:58:57 <imav> Well that cuts directly to my question 13:59:01 <Sacro> imav: but which distro? i can probably compile a few 13:59:09 <Sacro> Brianetta: you...work? never :P 13:59:10 <imav> redhat i386 13:59:26 <Sacro> imav: hmm, i have centos somewhere near 14:00:52 <Sacro> so many UTF-8 chars, i wonder if theres any benefit from being able to display them all 14:01:28 <Sacro> not that i know how to input them 14:01:31 <imav> hehe 14:01:58 <imav> drop me a PM, if you could-- I have to go write an exam right now 14:02:21 <Sacro> imav: ill be here all night 14:02:30 <imav> it's night? 14:03:01 <imav> I'll be back in probably 8-10 hours 14:03:33 <imav> gotta run, thanks 14:03:33 *** Ammler [n=irc@78.126.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Connection timed out] 14:04:04 <Brianetta> http://funroll-loops.org/ <-- all the Gentoo info you could want 14:04:19 <Brianetta> I am a recent convert *from* Gentoo 14:04:30 <Sacro> Brianetta: what are you running now? 14:04:55 <Brianetta> Sacro: Desktops are FC5 (and occasionally Suse). Servers are all Trustix Secure. 14:05:19 <Brianetta> Except my home server - that's FC5 because Trustix couldn't install a boot loader and I couldn't be bothered to fix it. 14:05:36 <Sacro> ahh, im just comparing CentOS 4.3 and FC5/6, im wondering whether i should learn one 14:06:27 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 14:06:47 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 14:07:13 <Brianetta> CentOS is just Redhat Pro, but recompiled by amateurs with all Redhat logos removed. 14:07:46 <Brianetta> Fedora is a better bet - you get the updates faster. With CentOS, Redhat have to release the updates, then CentOS people have to spot that, and then release their recompiled version. 14:08:56 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [Client Quit] 14:12:02 <Sacro> ? 14:12:04 <Sacro> hmm 14:13:19 <Sacro> nobody around? 14:13:32 *** baske [n=baske@83.101.12.37] has joined #openttd 14:13:34 <MeusH> I am 14:13:36 <hylje> no 14:13:38 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:41 <MeusH> I see that funny keyboard 14:13:46 <MeusH> ?????????? 14:13:48 <Sacro> MeusH: yay :) 14:14:25 <Sacro> Brianetta: yeah, think i might install fedora, i just noticed that CentOS had a live cd and live cd creator 14:15:13 <Sacro> wow, so many ace things in UTF-8 14:15:27 <Sacro> ? 14:15:34 <peter1138> utf8 branch! :D 14:15:37 <Brianetta> By ace, I take it you mean foreign? 14:15:41 <Brianetta> 2614 14:15:43 <Brianetta> interesting 14:15:44 <Sacro> Brianetta: ? 14:15:56 <Sacro> well, im past the foreign, onto wingdings 14:16:01 <Brianetta> (:þ 14:16:07 <Brianetta> Thorn makes a good hat 14:16:10 <Sacro> ? 14:16:15 <Sacro> pmsl 14:16:34 <Sacro> how do you enter UTF-8 chars? im guessing theres a better way than copy/paste 14:17:15 <Sacro> ? i can be recycled 14:18:34 <hylje> hold alt down and enter numbers on numpad 14:18:42 <Sacro> could play an amusing game, who can find the UTF-8 char fastest 14:18:55 <Sacro> hylje: and if you dont havea numpad? 14:19:07 <hylje> then you're out of luck 14:19:21 <peter1138> press altgr and press keys 14:19:33 <peter1138> if using gnome, press shift+ctrl and enter numbers (iirc) 14:19:41 <Sacro> and my keyboard only goes from 0-9 14:19:49 <Sacro> ? 14:19:50 <Sacro> :D 14:19:59 <Sacro> peter1138: wins a biscuit 14:20:08 <Sacro> ²³eæð?ðß???ðj?<-j?<-->->->->->->->??->ø?<-? 14:20:34 <Sacro> (o:þ 14:21:09 <Sacro> ø->->?<-??¶e?@æßð???j??»¢""nµ·}][{ŸœEUR³²¹ 14:21:20 <peter1138> do you mind? 14:21:31 <peter1138> you're disrupting everyone else ;) 14:21:39 <Sacro> peter1138: fine :( 14:21:59 <peter1138> only joking ;p 14:22:00 <hylje> :b 14:22:06 <peter1138> now try that in the utf8 branch of ottd ;p 14:22:30 <Sacro> ooh, that i could 14:22:41 <Sacro> ive found braille chars, could do a port for the blind 14:22:46 <peter1138> lol 14:27:45 <Sacro> ???"*("?*"???????? 14:28:06 *** MeusH_ [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 14:28:06 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:28:08 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:28:20 *** MeusH_ is now known as MeusH 14:31:02 <Brianetta> Well, Helvetica has most of what S@¢®° just typed in 14:31:09 <Nubian> Sacro, cjk implemented 14:31:56 <pv2b> you talking about utf-8 support in openttd? :-) 14:32:04 <Sacro> Nubian: eh? 14:32:18 <Sacro> pv2b: no, im just pressing buttons and seeing what i can get 14:32:23 <Brianetta> Just none of this: [16:28] <Sacro> ???"*[16:28] <Sacro> ???"*("?*"????????("?*"??????? 14:32:34 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:32:41 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 14:32:43 <Nubian> Sacro, ???? ???? 14:32:53 <MeusH> hey dudes 14:32:53 <Sacro> Nubian: errm...very pretty 14:32:57 <MeusH> you're crashing me 14:33:02 <MeusH> with these non-1337 images 14:33:08 <hylje> :p 14:33:10 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:33:19 * Brianetta eats more cake 14:33:45 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:12 <Sacro> startkeylogger 14:34:14 <Brianetta> Damnit, cheesecake on the spectacles 14:34:22 <Sacro> hehehe, serves you right 14:35:42 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:35:43 <Sacro> i have £50 in my paypal account, can anyone recommend any sites (except ebay) that i can spend it on? 14:36:07 <MeusH> sex 14:36:09 <MeusH> porn 14:36:09 <hylje> donate to random projects 14:36:10 <MeusH> gay 14:36:12 <pv2b> send it to me and i'll point at you and laugh :-) 14:36:20 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:36:25 <pv2b> seriously, you can use paypal to transfer money to your bank account 14:36:27 <Sacro> hmm, sex and porn did come into mind 14:36:29 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-56-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:36:45 <Sacro> ooh, 1 £50 note 14:37:31 <Sacro> could get myself some vintage computing stuff 14:37:54 <MeusH> join Owen at his jurney 14:38:12 <Sacro> :| someone selling pearpc for £2.50 14:38:45 <Sacro> i cant leave the country, i have no passport 14:39:36 <MeusH> do you think orudge has? 14:39:44 <MeusH> he's a SROTU, he doesn't need to have one 14:39:44 <Sacro> he must have 14:39:48 <MeusH> he will let you pass 14:39:48 <Sacro> SROTU? 14:40:01 <MeusH> SROTU aka orudge 14:40:09 <MeusH> Superme Ruler of the Universe 14:40:14 <Sacro> ahh 14:40:23 <MeusH> you know, just like The Stig or Chuck Norris 14:40:28 <MeusH> he's the third one 14:41:01 <Sacro> ahhh 14:41:07 <Sacro> what about the FSM? 14:41:47 <MeusH> Flying Spaghetti Monster? 14:41:48 <MeusH> lol 14:42:14 <Sacro> yep 14:43:49 <MeusH> I'm loling when reading about FSM :D 14:44:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76516.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:49 <Sacro> hehe, he is amusing 14:45:23 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openTTD 14:53:24 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 14:54:11 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:54:30 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 14:54:36 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CE8A.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:56:40 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:58:51 <hylje> any chances for a order "DONT FUCKING GO TO DEPOT WHEN YOU GO THERE" 14:59:06 <Sacro> hylje: id like that 14:59:17 <Sacro> disable servicing when breakdowns set to none? 14:59:40 <hylje> i have breakdowns 15:00:07 <hylje> and i get annoyed when a train goes to a depot in the wrong moment and goes to a place where it gets lost and stalls any traffic 15:00:23 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:01:00 <hylje> because the fucking train cant figure how to get back if it cant do a straightforward route 15:01:22 <hylje> ie. it goes to a depot on one-way rail, the rail leads to a non-roro station 15:01:46 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:01:47 <hylje> the entrance is designed so trains cant really get straight back where they came from unless they visit the station 15:02:04 *** gigajum [i=lucy@dslb-084-056-146-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:05 <Sacro> hylje: yeah, ive had that a lot 15:02:25 <gigajum> hi 15:05:01 <vondel> design your tracks better 15:05:26 <vondel> you observe the behaviour, so use that knowledge to produce something working 15:05:50 <hylje> sometimes a perfect station layout is not feasible 15:06:23 <hylje> so (temporary?) workarounds around known problems should be possible 15:08:26 <vondel> don't make depot near a station 15:08:45 <vondel> and make sure that from an depot-exit, a train can reach every direction 15:09:16 <hylje> its not really possible 15:10:05 <hylje> i usually put depots before the trains enter the station, because i want them to service before unloading 15:10:31 <hylje> if the depot is after, the trains go to depot first and dont unload it, i dont generally have space for u-turns 15:11:18 <hylje> and when there comes 2-3 lines to/from the station, the depot has to be where the lines merge 15:11:49 *** b4sk3 [n=baske@83.101.12.37] has joined #openttd 15:11:52 <hylje> there is no space to make a fluid way to each direction without going through the station 15:17:56 <vondel> a flyover on your track so the trains can reverse direction when they're heading the wrong direction? 15:18:31 <vondel> i'll use those occosionaly on my main routes, because somehow a few trains always get in the wrong direction 15:19:23 <hylje> because of depot trips on the wrong place 15:20:11 <Sacro> Super VGA, 1-bit color monitor or better supporting 800 x 600 resolution 15:20:16 <Sacro> is 1 bit colour possible? 15:21:03 <pv2b> depends on whether you count a monochrome monitour as a special case of "colour" ;-) 15:21:05 <[Shaman]> monochrome 15:21:16 <hylje> black = 1 white = 0 15:21:28 <Sacro> hmm, thought so 15:21:30 <[Shaman]> black = 0, <color> = 1 probably 15:21:34 <Sacro> but its hardly colour 15:21:38 <[Shaman]> where <color> is the other color the monitor works with 15:21:39 <pv2b> well 15:21:43 <[Shaman]> green/orange usually. 15:21:43 <pv2b> it could be green :-) 15:21:44 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:21:44 <pv2b> or amber 15:22:31 <Sacro> ooh, the old black/green monitors 15:23:44 <Sacro> right, i have £50 in a paypal account, where can i spend it, i cant find anything to get on ebay 15:23:59 <pv2b> Sacro: you can send it to your own real bank account? 15:24:36 <Sacro> pv2b: i know, but i still cant shop online using that, it'd mean leaving the house 15:24:56 <pv2b> you don't have a credit or debit card? 15:25:18 <Sacro> nope 15:25:43 <vondel> if there's nothing to buy, why try spending it? 15:26:09 <Sacro> vondel: thats true, i just fancy something to keep me occupied 15:26:54 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 15:27:19 *** baske [n=baske@83.101.12.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:28:04 *** Star-Lite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:30:05 <vondel> buy a book on amazon, or the like 15:31:46 <Sacro> ooh yeah amazon 15:34:51 *** b4sk3 [n=baske@83.101.12.37] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:42:04 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:43:42 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:16 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 15:44:50 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:44:59 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35E80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:52 *** Jango [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 15:50:04 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:50:52 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 15:53:37 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-158-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:39 *** Star-Lite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:00:50 <Richk67_wrk> peter1138: ping 16:01:36 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #openttd 16:01:39 <peter1138> pong 16:01:47 <lws1984> ping 16:02:12 <Richk67_wrk> hi - sorry ive been busy in the office all day - missed your earlier question about canals etc 16:02:17 <peter1138> oh 16:02:25 <peter1138> well, i updated it anyway 16:02:31 <peter1138> might just apply it to trunk, heh 16:03:16 <Richk67_wrk> the backports - i ripped out the old new airports, but knew i wouldnt have time to do a full sync and fix of new airports, so i decided to get my airports working back in MiniIN before bed 16:03:29 <peter1138> hmm 16:03:30 <Richk67_wrk> ill probably sync tonight or tomorrow 16:03:40 <peter1138> seems to me it'll make life harder when syncing, that's all 16:03:59 <Richk67_wrk> nah.... i just do 2 or 3 small syncs, rather than one massive one 16:04:21 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:07:35 <Richk67_wrk> peter - do you have a diff for canals? what does it change, anyway? 16:08:28 <gigajum> Richk67_wrk http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=50947 16:09:33 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/canals2.diff 16:09:46 <peter1138> the updated version ;p 16:09:56 <peter1138> it allows: http://fuzzle.org/o/canal.png 16:10:02 <peter1138> sea-level canals, heh 16:11:03 <Richk67_wrk> ooohkay... im sure it will be useful to someone 16:11:18 <peter1138> probably 16:11:52 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-142-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:12:15 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 16:12:46 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1052.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:12:50 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:13:09 *** Mucht|work [n=Mucht@62-99-243-225.geidorf.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Client Quit] 16:15:09 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 16:16:31 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35E80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:19:07 *** _bitwise [n=_bitwise@ipa16.6.tellas.gr] has joined #openttd 16:19:37 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@64-252-105-29.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:29 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 16:34:44 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-101-110.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:39:46 *** init [n=init@c83-250-153-195.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 16:58:29 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:01:39 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:02:57 *** Richk67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 17:04:55 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 17:05:15 <Wolf01> hi all 17:06:42 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:06:52 <Sacro> hey Wolf01 17:07:11 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:07:24 <Wolf01> hey Sacro 17:07:28 *** argonel [i=argonel@konversation/developer/argonel] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 17:07:54 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:09:51 *** GoneWacko^ [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:32 *** paulsen [i=erik@host-81-191-45-251.bluecom.no] has quit [] 17:13:47 <MeusH> hey Wolf01 17:14:15 <Wolf01> hola MeusH 17:15:08 *** christooss [n=matic@clj20-83.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #openttd 17:18:55 *** baske [n=baske@ip-81-11-187-247.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 17:20:17 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:22:11 <Sacro> busy in here tonight 17:22:20 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:04 <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: ping 17:27:00 <Sacro> TL|Away: pong 17:27:10 <TL|Away> Sacro: stop sniffing my packages 17:27:21 <Sacro> TL|Away: i never was 17:27:27 <TL|Away> and if you continue doing so, you have to pay the price! MWHAHAHAHA 17:27:37 <Sacro> .99 cover it? 17:27:44 * TL|Away calls some organization that can sue you! 17:27:44 <TL|Away> :p 17:27:50 <Jpl> now for .29! 17:28:09 <Sacro> TL|Away: i have no money!!! 17:28:11 <TL|Away> Jpl: so you make my price? :s 17:28:21 <TL|Away> this channel is getting weirder and weirder 17:28:55 <Sacro> TL|Away: sure its not just you? 17:29:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v Sacro] by ChanServ 17:29:07 <TL|Away> yeah, pretty sure 17:29:14 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: pong. 17:30:18 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3E16F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 17:30:25 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: ping :D 17:30:37 <Sacro> and thus the circle is complete 17:31:11 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: pong. 17:31:41 <TL|Away> Sacro: now it is broken :p 17:32:03 <Sacro> TL|Away: aww :(, ill go find some duck tape 17:32:23 <TL|Away> you do that 17:34:35 * Sacro comes back with a duck and some tape 17:34:48 <anboni> quack 17:34:54 *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away] 17:34:56 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit ["In the end, all that matters is your relation with God..."] 17:36:18 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 17:38:22 *** GoneWacko^ [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 17:38:55 *** MeusH[away] [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:40:49 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:23 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:03 <MiHaMiX> committime 17:49:12 <CIA-3> miham * r5389 /trunk/lang/ (american.txt italian.txt): 17:49:12 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-06-27 19:48:50 17:49:12 <CIA-3> american - 1 fixed by WhiteRabbit (1) 17:49:12 <CIA-3> italian - 1 fixed by sidew (1) 17:52:43 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: do you just type "committime" in IRC and it does it? 17:52:50 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: no :) 17:53:09 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: shame :P, it'd save you some time 17:53:16 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: i just noticed the time, and issued the appropriate command to commit the changes 17:53:32 <TL|Away> MiHaMiX: why no crontab? :p 17:54:22 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:56:14 *** ammler [n=chatzill@31-92.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 18:00:54 <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: it could be done in 30 seconds :) 18:03:12 <Wolf01> i found a bug on my transparency patch: 18:03:12 <Wolf01> [misc] 18:03:12 <Wolf01> display_opt = SHOW_TOWN_NAMES|SHOW_STATION_NAMES|SHOW_SIGNS|FULL_ANIMATION|FULL_DETAIL|DO_WAYPOINTS|DO_TRANS_TREES 18:03:12 <Wolf01> in the openttd.cfg 18:03:44 <Sacro> Wolf01: well fix it then 18:04:11 <Wolf01> since i switched the position of transparent station signs and transparent trees entries, the last entry should be DO_TRANS_SIGNS or something else 18:04:22 <Sacro> hehe 18:11:36 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 18:12:19 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:13:35 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp83-237-234-175.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:15:10 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 18:15:37 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:28:19 <CIA-3> miham * r5390 /trunk/lang/unfinished/bulgarian.txt: [Translations] Added initial bulgarian language (not even the headers are complete) 18:28:42 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:31:04 *** gigajum [i=lucy@dslb-084-056-146-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 18:38:34 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:40:37 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:31 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:42:08 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #Openttd 18:42:12 <Sacro> arrrgh my brain hurts 18:43:07 <Brianetta> good 18:43:31 <Sacro> Brianetta: why is it? 18:43:54 <Brianetta> Serves you right for having a nerve ending in there. Most of us don't/ 18:44:14 <Sacro> hmm, explains a fair bit 18:44:30 <init> I just tried out the MiniIN branch...this is really cool. I especially like the new map generator. 18:45:00 <Brianetta> init: That map generator can be shoe-horned into the regular releases without too much pain 18:45:18 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:45:38 * Brianetta is at home, in case you couldn't tell the different between me working and me at home 18:46:19 <Brianetta> Ah, I see Sacro has bought more vehicles 18:46:34 <Sacro> Brianetta: no he hasnt 18:46:41 <Brianetta> #:6(White) Company Name: 'Sacro Transport' Year Founded: 1984 Money: 6725878 Loan: 0 Value: 7518949 (T:13, R:10, P:8, S:15) 18:46:41 <Brianetta> ...unless somebody else took over? 18:46:52 <Sacro> :| 18:46:58 <Sacro> yeah, i had 3 trains 18:47:01 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:47:03 <Sacro> and 5 stations 18:47:12 <Brianetta> Well, now you have a bit of everything. 18:47:27 <Sacro> what r? 18:47:29 <init> Brianetta: I'd certainly like that, but I'd rather see it included officially instead of having to patch the game every time I get a new revision. 18:47:31 <Brianetta> road 18:47:51 <Brianetta> init: No need to patch - just save a new game / scenario and load it in the regular one 18:48:12 <Brianetta> I wish people would read my nightly's rules 18:48:19 <Sacro> hmm 18:48:24 <Sacro> what revision is nightly? 18:48:31 <Brianetta> 6 and 7: 18:48:32 <Brianetta> # The game will lose all company passwords if the server has to reload. This is unfortunately unavoidable. New players should not join existing companies without permission. 18:48:32 <Brianetta> # If you would like to start a company, but there are already too many, please ask an administrator if any abandoned companies can be closed down. 18:48:41 <Brianetta> r5370. 18:49:02 <Brianetta> I might add the rolling password system to the nightly 18:49:05 <Brianetta> because I'm a sod 18:49:09 <Sacro> Brianetta: but then i forget 18:50:13 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81BA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:50:29 <Brianetta> Forget what? 18:50:31 <Sacro> Brianetta: please check your version 18:50:46 <Brianetta> r5389. 18:50:53 <Brianetta> I didn't refresh my server's page 18:50:56 <Brianetta> heh heh heh 18:51:14 <init> Brianetta: Remember the bugfix regarding lost events I mentioned last week? I updated it to work for rev 5388 for the trunk today, and posted it on Sourceforge. It is called patch no 1185254. 18:51:41 <Brianetta> init: Talk to peter1138 - he's been in a committive mood today. 18:51:45 <glx> init: try to put it on http://bugs.openttd.org 18:52:37 <glx> I think this one is checked more often than sf.net 18:52:43 <Sacro> !slap Brianetta 18:52:47 <Brianetta> wot? 18:52:58 <Sacro> another svn co, make session :P 18:53:18 <Brianetta> Well 18:53:30 <Brianetta> you should have checked http://ppcis.org/nightly/ rather than ask me 18:53:38 <Brianetta> I automate so much stuff I don't know what's going on. 18:53:42 <Sacro> i did, but then you told me, so i closed it 18:53:51 <Sacro> !nightly should work 18:54:01 <Brianetta> My code is far more reliable than I am 18:54:21 <Sacro> i should hope so, for your customers sake 18:54:46 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B81BA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:54:49 <Sacro> wish my code was as reliable as me, or just as sane 18:54:51 <Brianetta> Seriously for a moment, I have a phenomenal long term memory. It's the root of my intelligence. Retention in long term memory is practically eidetic. Unfortunately, my short term memory suffers in proportion. 18:55:16 <Sacro> yeah, same here, ive got a useless short term memory, but once i remember something, i dont forget 18:55:52 <Brianetta> Sometimes I boil that damned kettle five or six times before I remember to pour the water into the pot while it's hot. Then, of course, the pot goes cold before I remember to pour it. 18:56:17 <Brianetta> I'm good at tea, but it requires immense concentration. 18:56:45 <init> glx: Thanks! I didn't know about that one. 18:56:55 <Brianetta> That said, I can push/pop reams of code into and out of my short term memory while coding 18:57:09 <Brianetta> as long as nobody interrupts me 18:57:20 <Brianetta> It's like juggling 18:57:26 <Brianetta> holding that sort of state in your head 18:58:15 <Sacro> yeah 18:58:32 <Brianetta> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/H/hack-mode.html 19:01:32 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176102026.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:04:08 <Sacro> hehe, tis so true 19:05:31 <Ihmemies> is it really neccessary to plant the trees again for lumber mills in subtropical climate? 19:05:36 <Ihmemies> by hand? 19:06:20 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:07:14 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B84D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:09:39 <Wolf01> if i want to insert a blank entry into the options menu (where is _display_opt) i simply skip the number of the blank entry like: 19:09:39 <Wolf01> case 11: _display_opt ^= DO_TRANS_SIGNS; break; 19:09:39 <Wolf01> case 13: _display_opt ^= DO_TRANS_TREES; break; 19:09:39 <Wolf01> ??? 19:10:04 <Sacro> Wolf01: thats a baaaaaad idea 19:10:14 <Sacro> i think :S 19:10:25 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@64-252-105-29.adsl.snet.net] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 19:10:26 <Sacro> if its runtime adjustable, you could 19:11:05 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-105-29.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:13 <Wolf01> i thought that because now there are 4 transparency options them should be grouped apart 19:16:57 <Sacro> hmm, maybe 19:18:48 *** boivie [n=ubuuser@static-213.50.4.66.addr.tdcsong.se] has joined #openttd 19:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, i finally got multiple apps playing sound simultaneously ;) 19:36:17 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> next step... hardware video accel. 19:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> setting up linux is a nightmare 19:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> but when it finally runs ;) 19:37:36 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:42:42 *** C-Funky [n=yotamst@bzq-84-109-42-175.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:46 <C-Funky> hi 19:42:51 <Scia> funky! 19:42:59 <Scia> hi 19:43:04 * Sacro considers learning VIM 19:43:16 <Sacro> hi C-Funky 19:43:24 <C-Funky> can someone here tell me how to patch ottd from .diff files? there are some patches i want, like the all trains to depot and waiting for new nightlies isn't too fun 19:43:37 <Sacro> C-Funky: which OS? 19:43:42 <C-Funky> windows xp :P 19:43:45 <C-Funky> pro 19:43:51 <Sacro> not corp? 19:43:56 <C-Funky> nope, hacked 19:44:02 <Sacro> corp then ;) 19:44:03 <C-Funky> sp1 19:44:09 <Sacro> not sp2? 19:44:16 <C-Funky> well, not corp, i got a serial number 19:44:16 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-56-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["TV :D"] 19:44:40 <C-Funky> was too lazy for those updates, i got sp1 with the windows... 19:44:51 <Sacro> and now the FBI know about you 19:44:53 <Wolf01> grep: invalid option -- o 19:44:54 <Wolf01> Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]... 19:44:54 <Wolf01> Try `grep --help' for more information. 19:44:54 <Wolf01> svn: Errore di scrittura: Invalid argument 19:44:54 <Wolf01> how i can fix this error on msys? 19:45:15 <Sacro> whats it from? 19:46:22 <Wolf01> it comes out every time i use "make" 19:46:23 <C-Funky> i'm quite sure i know proudmoore from utopia... 19:46:25 <peter1138> o_O 19:46:29 <peter1138> update grep :P 19:46:55 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:47:47 <C-Funky> well Sacro can you teach me? 19:50:30 <C-Funky> anyone here? 19:52:40 * C-Funky slaps Sacro around a bit with a large trout 19:52:56 <ln-> that's it, kick him 19:52:57 <Brianetta> [20:05] <Ihmemies> is it really neccessary to plant the trees again for lumber mills in subtropical climate? 19:53:01 <Brianetta> Answer: Yes 19:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause> C-Funky: try the article about 'compiling on windows' in the wiki 19:53:48 <C-Funky> oook 19:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause> arghh... i must be blind... someone help me... there is an option in amaroK to keep the current song visible in the playlist, i have seen it before, but i cannot find it :( 19:54:48 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 19:54:55 <black_Nightmare> hey brianetta 19:55:24 <anboni> Eddi|zuHause, do you mean you want to prevent amaroK from switching to the context tab? 19:55:34 <Brianetta> what's up? 19:55:49 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:55:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean it should scroll the playlist to whatever title is currently playing 19:55:53 <black_Nightmare> brianetta..when you plan to reset the server? 19:56:03 <Brianetta> My nightly? 19:56:06 <black_Nightmare> yeah 19:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (especially useful in random mode) 19:56:18 <anboni> hmm.. there's an option on the General tab, bottom 2 actually, that might be of interest 19:56:20 <Brianetta> It's now after 2050, so it'll be reset tomorrow night. 19:56:23 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:56:33 <black_Nightmare> tomorrow night? just how long do you let the server run? 19:56:48 <black_Nightmare> I thought it should had restarted at around that year now 19:56:50 <C-Funky> hmm there are few options to compiling on windows, what proggy should i use? 19:57:10 <anboni> but which version of amaroK are you running? i believe suse by default includes a slightly older version 19:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen it in the default version, but i updated to 1.4.1beta 19:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> and cannot find that option anymore 19:58:03 <Sacro> C-Funky: cygwin, mingw, Vis studio 19:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause> winamp did it that way, and i am so used to it :( 19:58:12 <anboni> hmm.. that's odd, you wouldn't think options would get removed in newer versions :) i'm running 1.4.0 and i do have those options 19:58:17 <black_Nightmare> brianetta? :p 19:58:29 <Sacro> Brianetta: PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING :D 19:58:36 * Sacro uses supersonic bell 19:58:54 <Eddi|zuHause> can you point me to where? ;) 19:59:01 <Brianetta> wtf 19:59:03 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: where what? 19:59:04 <Brianetta> I didn't go anywhere 19:59:04 <black_Nightmare> lol sacro 19:59:12 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: it woke him up :) 19:59:18 <Eddi|zuHause> the exact position in the options ;) 19:59:20 * black_Nightmare chuckles 19:59:27 <Eddi|zuHause> in case i am really just blind ;) 19:59:27 <black_Nightmare> you sure are weird sacro 19:59:48 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: just move your fingers really slow 19:59:49 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:59:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:59:57 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: you havent met me 20:00:13 <Sacro> ooh another person who things im wierd 20:00:22 <Sacro> s/g/k/ 20:00:37 * black_Nightmare pokes sacro :p 20:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ever considered that might be, because you actually are? ;) 20:01:00 <init> Who maintains bugs.openttd.org? I tried to register a new user, and get three PHP "undefined variable/index" PHP errors. 20:01:10 * Sacro sqeaks 20:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> init: ignore that ;) 20:01:35 *** C-Funky [n=yotamst@bzq-84-109-42-175.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [] 20:01:40 <init> Eddi|zuHause: If you say so... 20:02:06 <black_Nightmare> so brianetta ..usually what year do you let your server run to? 20:02:28 <Brianetta> 2050, then whatever it gets to by the time it's upgraded 20:02:36 <Brianetta> This is all covered on the web page 20:02:50 <Ihmemies> Why trees don't grow themselves in sub-tropical land? 20:02:50 * Sacro had his company taken over :( 20:02:55 <Ihmemies> it's a chore to add trees manually ;P 20:03:00 <Ihmemies> for lumber mills 20:03:03 <Brianetta> Ihmemies: They do, but they're chopped faster 20:03:07 <Eddi|zuHause> drag&drop? 20:03:46 <black_Nightmare> brianetta...so you mean it possible could go to 2060+ before it finally geta reset if some players were on it a lot? 20:04:22 <Ihmemies> Eddi|zuHause, yeah 20:04:30 <Ihmemies> but when you have like 60 lumber mills.. :D 20:04:37 <Frostregen> still not reset? 20:04:47 <Ihmemies> it would be nice if the lumber mills planted trees themselves 20:04:50 <Ihmemies> with drag&drop 20:04:52 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: been up to 2070/2080 before i think 20:04:59 <Ihmemies> and reduce the money from company's budget ;) 20:05:22 <Frostregen> I'm waiting for 2 days to get a free company ;) 20:06:05 <Sacro> FredNeuberger: on brianettas server? 20:06:17 <Sacro> Frostregen even :P 20:06:21 <Frostregen> yep 20:06:32 <black_Nightmare> sacro..hm I see...well..let me try the nightly download and look at it 20:07:03 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: noooo, too many people as it is 20:07:11 <Sacro> Brianetta: you need to allow more players on your server 20:07:19 <Frostregen> lol 20:07:26 <black_Nightmare> what you mean sacro? 20:07:33 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:07:39 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: theres only 8 companies, and it gets full REALLY quick 20:08:00 <black_Nightmare> sacro..ever heard of spectate? ;) 20:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> make 256 player patch and get it included into trunk ;) 20:08:14 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: yes 20:08:19 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: 255 :P 20:08:40 <Sacro> -1 for scenario gen 20:08:46 <Sacro> -1 for towns...-1 for water 20:08:51 <Brianetta> What we really need is more nightly servers 20:08:56 <Frostregen> -1 server 20:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> make another ;) 20:09:15 <Frostregen> too much work to maintain :/ 20:09:17 <Sacro> Brianetta: yeah, i'd like a MiniIN server with your rules 20:09:26 <Brianetta> I don't have the resources for a fourth server 20:09:41 <Sacro> i have the resources, but not allowed to leave a system running if im not on it :( 20:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't have the ressources for a first server :( 20:10:04 *** Scia [n=sciapode@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:10:08 <Sacro> hmm, orudge is away...maybe i could run one :P 20:10:14 *** dp_ [n=dp@p54B2CEB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> tzzz :) 20:10:46 <black_Nightmare> oh great 20:10:51 <black_Nightmare> I remember why I quitted playing suddenly 20:11:07 <black_Nightmare> can't ask trains to turn around inside 2-way station platforms 20:11:28 <black_Nightmare> hm I'll maybe just watch tho 20:12:07 <Sacro> lol 20:12:31 <Sacro> hmm, top entry in /. is worrying 20:13:04 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D64C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:12 <Brianetta> Not scary at all 20:13:27 <black_Nightmare> sacro..just curious, what kind of station layouts you typically take? 20:13:55 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: err, 5x2 roro 20:14:22 <Sacro> 3x2 for low production 20:14:26 <Sacro> usually 20x4 for goods 20:14:38 <hylje> yay, completed conversion to monorail @ 2010 20:14:53 <black_Nightmare> sacro...heh for me... 20:15:12 <hylje> :b 20:15:36 <Brianetta> Heh heh - people should make sure their fonts are theirs 20:16:25 <black_Nightmare> I usually just slap whatever platform in either axis I need (got love the old ttdpatch nonuniform station option) and if its passenger or multiply pickups in single freight type train I am known to frequently have passthrough stations with depot on one side 20:16:54 <black_Nightmare> some of these stations... one train just stop and go through on a platform .. another time train uses same platform and turns around to head back where it came from instead...depending on the route 20:17:15 <Sacro> i do have all platforms going the same way 20:17:42 <Sacro> Brianetta: well, what about ones like comic sans...TNR, verdana etc? 20:17:50 <black_Nightmare> never really had any fixed platform sizes...once had to use waypoint because one 2-way platform was only 4 tiles long but another was 7 tiles long .. and both were on the same route for many trains :)) 20:18:21 <black_Nightmare> one second.. 20:19:57 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 20:21:45 <Brianetta> Sacro: MS copyright 20:21:51 <Brianetta> Sacro: ALways read the license agreement 20:22:24 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:22:24 *** dp_ is now known as dp-- 20:22:24 <Brianetta> Some are licensed for publication if you own a license for the OS they came with 20:22:36 <Brianetta> Others aren't 20:22:47 <Sacro> Brianetta: i have a win95 liicence somewhere 20:23:00 <hylje> Sacro: same, 98 too 20:23:00 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:23:05 <Sacro> actually, this laptop came with XP home originally, but it now runs Linux 20:23:21 <Brianetta> Well, like all copyright, it's for courts to decide, if/when you're sued 20:23:59 <Sacro> hmm, i avoid courtes 20:26:00 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:06 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E16F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:27:30 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 20:28:09 *** iridium [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:55 *** baske [n=baske@ip-81-11-187-247.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:30:40 <black_Nightmare> screenshot coming up in a second :p 20:30:49 <Sacro> ooooh goody 20:33:25 <hylje> chown -x chown 20:33:30 <trogdorx> hey 20:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> for passengers, i usually use 2-way-roro... 20:33:41 <trogdorx> im getting 2 errors trying to compile the linux souce 20:33:42 <trogdorx> /usr/lib/libSDL.so: undefined reference to `__fprintf_chk@GLIBC_2.3.4' 20:33:42 <trogdorx> /usr/lib/libSDL.so: undefined reference to `__snprintf_chk@GLIBC_2.3.4' 20:33:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd sooo love real 2-way stations, but they are just not usable right now 20:37:31 <black_Nightmare> sorry if it seem a bit shrunk but thats not much I can do with it... 20:37:32 <black_Nightmare> http://web.ncf.ca/fg438/screenshot49.pict 20:37:37 <Sacro> trogdorx: hmm, sounds like glibc is borked 20:37:43 <black_Nightmare> 3 of the few station layouts I usually use 20:37:52 <trogdorx> ah 20:37:55 <Sacro> .pict? 20:37:56 <trogdorx> i didnt have zlib :) 20:37:57 <trogdorx> my bad 20:38:02 <black_Nightmare> the sign is supposed to say '(insert any rail length here)' anyhow 20:38:25 <black_Nightmare> the single platform station is usually far away from the mainline but I couldn't show that in one single screenshot so anyhow 20:38:36 *** hapo [i=pr@kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 20:38:40 <hapo> oh, this much people here :) 20:39:03 <Sacro> hapo: nope, noone here 20:39:15 * Sacro flees 20:39:25 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: how on earth do i open it? 20:39:49 <black_Nightmare> I use station #1 when bordering a city.... or station #2 if space is tight that I have to use straight mainline tracks instead 20:39:53 <black_Nightmare> sacro..just open it..thats all 20:39:54 <hapo> I'm an old active writer alt.games.microprose.transport-tyc 20:39:57 <hapo> and a former simutrans developer 20:40:01 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: gnome has nothing associated 20:40:20 <black_Nightmare> hapo..heh nice..so I'm guessing you took part in the code of ttdx? 20:40:37 <hapo> just played OpenTTD much for the first time a few days ago 20:40:39 <black_Nightmare> sacro...umm...I dunno what to do with linux users some of the times sorry :p 20:40:57 <hapo> and actually a transport tycoon game for the first time for a few years :) 20:41:08 <hapo> the last time I had played OpenTTD was when the project started 20:41:18 <hapo> quite impressive work, I would say! 20:41:30 <hapo> I'm pretty impressed by it :) 20:41:34 <hapo> black_Nightmare: nope :P not that famous 20:41:41 <black_Nightmare> hapo...fair enough lol 20:41:45 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: well the gimp wont have it 20:41:48 <hapo> do you know simutrans? 20:41:52 <hapo> it's a TT clone 20:42:21 <black_Nightmare> I rather go as ttdpatch mainly with the occassional online (till someone tell me where a ttdpatch online player is meh) server on openttd once in a while 20:42:23 <Sacro> ive heard of it, confused me 20:42:32 <black_Nightmare> just so you knew anyhow hapo 20:42:41 <hapo> ok :) 20:43:11 <black_Nightmare> hapo...beside..I'm sure I'm not the only one to admit it but then using PBS and being able to change landscape without deleting rail ---- fun and more fun 20:43:29 <black_Nightmare> (try have an openttd station where trains can enter and leave at same time in a single junction lol) 20:43:48 <hapo> I didn't even know about that feature yet :o 20:44:04 <black_Nightmare> well its been around a long time in ttdpatch as I noticed from the changelog 20:44:07 <hapo> seems to be so that there has appeared a lot of features during the last couple of years :) 20:44:17 * black_Nightmare upgraded to 2.5 beta 6 as soon as that came out too 20:44:21 <black_Nightmare> :P 20:44:47 *** boivie [n=ubuuser@static-213.50.4.66.addr.tdcsong.se] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 20:45:19 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: this is #openttd :) 20:45:39 <black_Nightmare> sacro..not sure whats with your linux but windows/mac/bsd can open these picture type just fine themself 20:45:54 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: using what programs...? 20:45:59 <Sacro> bsd especially 20:49:38 <hylje> black_Nightmare: what prevents you from using internet-portable graphics, such as png 20:50:01 <black_Nightmare> hm can't recall what I was told for netbsd especially but... anyway for mac its quickdraw, pictviewer, jpegviewer, and whatever author-created ones there are .. re windows there's probably tons 20:50:29 <Vornicus> what kind of image? 20:50:36 <black_Nightmare> hylje... there's no png save option (my main browser wouldn't have supported it here anyhow) 20:51:04 <hapo> speaking of browsers, I'm also an opera software freelancer :) 20:51:07 <Vornicus> 20:51:09 <Vornicus> PICT!? 20:51:10 <black_Nightmare> jpeg has weird ideas when it comes to the colours used in ttdpatch/openttd screenshots sometimes so..meh 20:51:21 <Vornicus> Dude. 20:51:26 <Vornicus> DUde, dude. 20:51:26 <black_Nightmare> I don't use jpeg option at least (for screenshots) 20:51:44 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 20:51:50 <Vornicus> PICT is so disused that even the people who used it most don't even touch it anymore. 20:51:56 <Vornicus> Safari doesn't know what the hell it is. 20:52:00 <black_Nightmare> vornicus..you want a 4+MB bmp file then? 20:52:01 <hylje> i dont either 20:52:03 <black_Nightmare> I would rather -not- 20:52:14 <hylje> rather use jpeg with artifacts than a unopenable file 20:52:29 <black_Nightmare> hylje..its openable on three platforms easily 20:52:35 <Vornicus> To something I can't open? Certainly 20:52:44 <black_Nightmare> and 2 major platforms have it installed natively 20:53:10 <Vornicus> b_N: what the hell kind of computer are you using that you don't have PNG support? 20:53:16 <Vornicus> Everybody and their dog supports PNG. 20:53:59 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B81BA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:54:36 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 20:55:34 <black_Nightmare> vornicus..you think so maybe but check out the few useable browser for mac os and try find the one that doesn't crash when loading and can understand modern html 20:55:40 <black_Nightmare> (btw I said mac os.. not X) 20:56:03 <black_Nightmare> and most of these browser needs plugin for png .. and viewers are few 20:56:20 <hylje> same can be said for pict 20:56:20 <black_Nightmare> (except for lynx which of course doesn't know graphics) 20:56:21 <Sacro> if its a standard format, then linux should have it 20:56:27 <Sacro> or at least The Gimp 20:56:43 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:56:44 <black_Nightmare> hylje..nah...even NS opens pict directly after a fresh installion 20:56:53 <black_Nightmare> (no configuration) 20:57:02 <black_Nightmare> but it red-X on any png 20:57:28 <hylje> png is a recent format, and all recent browsers and image viewers support it 20:57:51 <Sacro> my god, use an old format then 20:57:52 <black_Nightmare> do any "recent" browser run on os 8/9? 20:58:21 <hylje> not sure, no one really supports os8/9 anymore 20:58:36 <black_Nightmare> hm reminds me...funny old kodak digital camera..it wants to save to tiff by default..I keep having to change that for every picture I want to save 20:58:37 <Sacro> i got winuae, and deluxe paint 2 20:58:44 <Sacro> tiff is good, i can view that 20:58:57 <hylje> gimp says "unknown format" 20:59:09 <hylje> and there is no lib to open pict 20:59:22 <black_Nightmare> hylje...many softwares do support even system 8.5 (and sometimes 7.x but these are usually small desktop softwares) .. its always the browser coders that seem to fail to keep up at all 20:59:28 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:59:55 <black_Nightmare> sacro...well tiff doesn't work well everywhere so I'm not quite inclined to use it anyhow 21:00:02 <hylje> pict doesnt either 21:00:07 <black_Nightmare> (I mean my multiply systems) 21:00:08 <hylje> i have no way to open it on linux 21:00:22 <Sacro> hmm, i might just read it in hex... 21:00:30 <black_Nightmare> hylje..not my fault but pict had always been supported from system 7 on the mac side 21:00:37 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:00:39 <black_Nightmare> and even windows knew what it was for some time too 21:00:58 <Sacro> system 7? 21:01:02 <Sacro> hmm, this is system 5 :( 21:01:13 <hylje> i spose its such an obsolete format that the linux hackers didnt think it would be useful to reverse engineer 21:02:05 <black_Nightmare> well bmp is too evil space-wasting :p 21:02:11 <black_Nightmare> hehe 21:02:36 <black_Nightmare> jpeg works for simple graphics tho anyhow (just not game screenshots) 21:02:45 <hylje> any screenshots for that matter 21:02:51 <hylje> designed for photographs 21:03:10 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498DC84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:34 <hylje> according to wikipedia, pict is just the mac os native image format, not really meant to be used on the internets 21:03:50 <black_Nightmare> bmp was not..but people still coded it 21:04:38 <hylje> bmp is uncompressed image data without alpha channel (24-bit) 21:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "With the change to Mac OS X, PICT was dropped in favour of Portable Document Format (PDF) as the native metafile format" 21:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so it is even an outdated format :p 21:06:02 <Sacro> yeek, PDF for images 21:06:04 <Sacro> nooo 21:06:19 * black_Nightmare never bothered with pdf..either there's a html version or it gets the grind of a pdf>html conversion 21:06:56 <hylje> Sacro: afaik all osx interface elements are stored as pdf 21:07:12 <black_Nightmare> only adobe software I really got at all is one photoshop 5 (full) cd 21:08:20 <Sacro> i have acrobat pro, CS2 suite, audition 21:08:21 <black_Nightmare> hm which of that reminds me...some people come up with odd stuffix for some websites sometimes..I recall seeing one that was like *.pl .. but it could had worked as the same as if it was ended in *.html instead 21:08:37 <hylje> perl script 21:08:42 * Sacro sighs 21:08:48 <black_Nightmare> yeah but the source was all html 21:08:52 <hylje> yep 21:08:52 <black_Nightmare> goes to show weird webmasters 21:08:53 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: you get it with php sometimes too... 21:09:14 <hylje> i could rewrite my *.php scripts to *.foobar 21:09:21 <hylje> and it would work the same 21:09:22 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: the webserver uses the perl script to generate the html 21:09:36 <black_Nightmare> one thing I still never understood sometimes was... 21:09:42 <Sacro> and then when you view source, it shows the generated html, not the precious code needed to generate it 21:09:59 <black_Nightmare> why do we have both .html and .htm ?? I can understand the dos reasoning for .htm but ... why having two stuffixs even to today? :-/ 21:10:07 <black_Nightmare> go figure 21:10:17 <peter1138> because windows users are lame... 21:10:29 <black_Nightmare> oh yeah -- NEVER TOUCH FRONTPAGE FOR YOUR WEBSITE!! .. tons of junk codes :)) 21:10:33 <black_Nightmare> peter..you tell them :)) 21:10:34 <Eddi|zuHause> .html is the 'real' one, and .htm is just backwards compatibility 21:10:50 <black_Nightmare> eddi..yeah that figured, all of my pages are html 21:11:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and since in browsers, the ending is really unimportant, why bother who uses what? 21:11:23 <hylje> frontpage outputs .htm by default 21:11:51 <hylje> www pages should be able to have any suffix 21:11:59 <black_Nightmare> eddi..you got a point but still....typing from memory or from card sometimes results in quirky things 21:12:01 <hylje> or no suffix at all 21:12:16 <black_Nightmare> like eg you are always used to tying 'html' that you get immedate 404 error on a site that still used .htm 21:12:25 <black_Nightmare> if anyone know what I mean 21:13:27 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody types out urls ;) 21:14:03 <black_Nightmare> eddi...so how do you explain magazines and/or business card? 21:14:09 <black_Nightmare> :p 21:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 21:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand that question 21:14:27 *** paulsen [i=erik@host-81-191-45-251.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 21:14:29 <black_Nightmare> printed url on them that is 21:14:34 <black_Nightmare> you got to type it by hand into your computer 21:14:35 <black_Nightmare> ;) 21:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well... you just google it ;) 21:15:01 <paulsen> I'm trying to fund a new factory in the desert, but it tells me that the "site unsuitable" 21:15:04 <paulsen> any idea why? 21:16:05 <hylje> generally business cards have just "company.com" 21:16:34 <hylje> any human-entered addresses should be subdomain.domain.tld or domain.tld/dir 21:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> YAY 21:17:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i managed to open the picture ;) 21:17:19 <Sacro> most things put company.com, they dont specify any subdomains, or even a protocol :S 21:17:28 <Eddi|zuHause> when you have ImageMagick installed 21:17:39 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause: do us a favor and mirror a png 21:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> type 'convert blubb blah' 21:17:49 <black_Nightmare> sacro...lol 21:17:59 <Sacro> hmm, random foreign lasses are adding me on skype 21:18:15 <black_Nightmare> well...for the record.. my site is not at index.html so.. good luck not typing in the proper page name 21:18:25 <black_Nightmare> but then whatever, thats another topic 21:18:28 <Sacro> URLS? i just type a rough idea into firefox 21:18:37 <Sacro> i dont use URI's much either 21:18:51 <black_Nightmare> sacro..you too? I've heard of the same complains in another irc channel too 21:18:54 <black_Nightmare> (re skype) 21:19:07 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: yeah, used to be like that in ICQ too 21:19:17 <Sacro> its even worse on IRC, loads of strange foreigners 21:19:24 <black_Nightmare> hmm odd....wonder what these stupid people were thinking 21:19:33 <black_Nightmare> (maybe they are like email spammers) 21:19:54 <hylje> Sacro: heh 21:19:57 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B81BA5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:19:58 <Sacro> i keep getting people wanting to see me on cam on msn 21:20:39 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:16 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35E80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:21 <Eddi|zuHause> how can i use konqueror to copy via SSH? 21:21:31 <Sacro> ssh://wherever? 21:22:25 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 21:22:53 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 21:23:15 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-195-126.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:23:27 <Sacro> whoops 21:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that opens a console 21:24:00 <Sacro> yep 21:25:31 <Sacro> coudl be FISH 21:26:02 <CIA-3> tron * r5391 /trunk/ (77 files in 8 dirs): Miscellaneous, mostly bracing and whitespace, nothing spectacular 21:26:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 21:26:15 <paulsen> I'm trying to fund a new factory in the desert, but it tells me that the "site unsuitable" 21:26:21 <paulsen> any idea why? :/ 21:26:38 <paulsen> I'm playing on the africa map that comes with openttd btw. 21:27:25 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: fish:// 21:27:47 <Sacro> wow thats ace 21:28:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it appears to be sftp:// 21:28:41 <Sacro> thats secure ftp 21:28:50 <Sacro> im actually logged in via ssh 21:29:54 <Sacro> FIles transferrer over SHell protocol is a protocol to use SSH or rsh to transfer files between computers. Serverside, FISH requires nothing more than a working unix shell, and doesn't require file transfer to be enabled on the SSH server. Optionally, there can be a special FISH server program start_fish_server installed on the server. 21:31:34 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: see that? 21:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the file might now be found at www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/screenshot49.png 21:33:16 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: tis 21:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 21:35:12 *** ammler [n=chatzill@31-92.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 21:35:49 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: its there :P 21:36:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... spell that out netxt time ;) 21:36:42 <Eddi|zuHause> -t 21:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hylje: highlight special for you, incase you missed it ;) 21:37:46 *** ammler [n=chatzill@31-92.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 21:40:15 <paulsen> huh 21:40:25 <paulsen> there is -1- factory on the entire map 21:40:28 <paulsen> this must be a bug? 21:40:39 <paulsen> the africa map that comes with openttd 21:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> did you try placing it elsewhere? 21:41:09 <Eddi|zuHause> did you try flat land? 21:41:12 <paulsen> yes, I've tried alot of places 21:41:13 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:41:19 <paulsen> and the spot where i want it is -very- flat 21:41:26 <paulsen> atleast 100x100 with flat land 21:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and outside desert? 21:41:52 <paulsen> yep, desert 21:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean different terrain types... desert (sand) or tropic (grass)? 21:43:14 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 21:45:04 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause: ty 21:45:12 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 21:54:02 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181122011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:56:06 *** BobingAbout [n=BobingAb@adsl-83-100-150-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:56:20 <BobingAbout> evening 21:57:13 <Sacro> BobingAbout: evening 22:00:07 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:02:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76516.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:03:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76516.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:22 *** BobingAbout [n=BobingAb@adsl-83-100-150-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:04:20 <imav> hey sacro 22:04:28 <Sacro> hi imav 22:04:34 <Sacro> how'd the exam go? 22:04:40 <imav> it went well. Very well. 22:04:44 <Ihmemies> REPLANTING TREES SUX 22:04:47 <Ihmemies> aaaarghhh 22:05:09 <imav> any sign of that binary? 22:05:11 <paulsen> Eddi|zuHause: huh. it worked on grass 22:05:26 <Sacro> imav: cool 22:05:34 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181105175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:05:39 <Sacro> imav: im sorry, ive got a memory like a seive, what binary was it you wanted? 22:05:46 <imav> hehe 22:05:49 * Sacro recalls something about RH 22:05:53 <imav> redhat i386 22:06:12 <imav> my friend was saying his memory was really good, like "a sieve without holes" 22:06:39 <peter1138> sounds like mine 22:06:39 *** BobingAbout [n=BobingAb@adsl-83-100-150-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:06:52 <peter1138> but mine's a sieve without holes except for one big one 22:07:01 <Sacro> imav: doesnt redhat have a compiler? 22:07:06 *** BobingAbout [n=BobingAb@adsl-83-100-150-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 22:07:18 <imav> the situation is this 22:08:07 <imav> my home computer is ppc, and the system I want to run ottd on has rh, but no SDL, and I don't have the means to install it, particularly with my limited command of all things *nix 22:08:16 <Sacro> ahhh 22:08:21 <Sacro> make DEDICATED:=1 22:08:43 <Sacro> well, thats once you have downloaded and uncompressed it 22:08:47 <imav> yeah 22:08:49 *** BobingAbout [n=BobingAb@adsl-83-100-150-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:09:16 * imav crosses fingers 22:09:23 <Sacro> i cant compile for PPC yet im afraid 22:09:33 <Sacro> i dont think anywya 22:09:36 <imav> what exactly does DEDICATED:=1 do? 22:09:46 <peter1138> builds a dedicated server 22:09:47 <glx> for dedicated server 22:09:47 <Sacro> imav: wasnt it a dedicated server you wnted? 22:09:56 <BobingAbout> I'm on!!! 22:09:56 <Sacro> seeing as you dont have SDL its all you can do 22:10:02 <Sacro> BobingAbout: yes...you are 22:11:56 <Sacro> and all goes silent 22:12:14 <imav> yes that's exactly what I wanted, thanks a bunch! 22:12:19 <BobingAbout> right 22:12:29 <imav> didn't know SDL wasn't needed for a dedicated server 22:12:33 <Sacro> imav: hehe, sorry it took so long, but at least your there now 22:12:39 <imav> no no, no problem 22:12:42 <BobingAbout> anyone "Important" to the what i wanted to discus on sacro? 22:12:44 <Sacro> nope, SDL is for graphics and sounds 22:12:54 <imav> neat 22:13:01 <imav> all set, perfect 22:13:08 <Sacro> BobingAbout: i think you need one of the newgrf people 22:13:25 <imav> now to learn about operating it 22:13:26 <BobingAbout> i thought it was about signals 22:13:27 <imav> to the manual! 22:13:29 <Sacro> imav: nice :) 22:13:37 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?7748 <-- happy proofreading :P 22:13:37 <BobingAbout> KUDr is on 22:13:47 <Sacro> imav: look up the wiki, mainly the console stuff 22:13:54 <imav> yeah 22:14:03 * Sacro sets his Bjarni bash.org clock for 10 mins 22:14:26 <Sacro> Bjarni: ouch, thats a nasty thing to sort 22:15:08 <Bjarni> ... 22:15:20 <Bjarni> oh the topic rule thing 22:15:30 <Sacro> hehe, yeah, i thought it was put up for you 22:15:40 <Bjarni> I outrank peter1138, so I declare that it do not apply to me 22:15:56 <Sacro> ooh, clever 22:15:56 <KUDr> BobingAbout: what? 22:16:12 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.4.7 | WebTranslator2 public beta test begun! | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) | Anyone (besides operators) posting any bash.org or qdb.us URL twice in 10 minutes will be banned 22:16:15 <Sacro> KUDr: we where wondering about the new signalling system to be built on yapf 22:16:34 <Sacro> Bjarni: some would say that was cheating :P 22:16:34 <KUDr> i am wondering too 22:16:55 <Sacro> KUDr: hmm, thats not good 22:17:06 <Bjarni> besides it would be lame to post the SAME link twice in 10 minutes.... 22:17:08 <KUDr> Sacro: why? 22:17:20 <BobingAbout> I'm playing WoW, so, be with you in a moment 22:17:25 <KUDr> still many unclear points 22:17:30 <BobingAbout> i died because of some kind of horrific lag 22:17:36 <Sacro> KUDr: you wrote YAPF, just thought ud know it the best 22:17:42 <Wolf01> uhm, i'm going mad 22:17:42 <Wolf01> if ((GB(_display_opt,7,4)==0) || (GB(_display_opt,7,4)==15)) { 22:17:42 <Wolf01> _display_opt |= 1920; //11110000000 22:17:42 <Wolf01> } 22:17:42 <Wolf01> why doesn't work? it has to toggle the first four bits on the left 22:17:45 <Sacro> im gonna start reading up on it though 22:18:03 <Sacro> :| 22:18:06 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1052.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:18:10 <Bjarni> BobingAbout: the guy you were fighting most likely found your IP and started a DDoS attack to make you lag :P 22:18:23 * Sacro kills ping 22:18:33 <BobingAbout> it was a NPC Pig 22:18:55 <Sacro> Wolf01: 1920? 22:18:57 <Bjarni> so you should blame Blizzard 22:19:10 <Wolf01> 1920 = 11110000000 in binary 22:19:18 <Sacro> ahh, right 22:19:30 <Sacro> and why 13 bit? 22:19:44 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:19:49 <Wolf01> are 11 bits 22:19:53 <Sacro> or even 11 22:19:59 <Sacro> that seems a strange number 22:20:01 <BobingAbout> sacro is a frube. thats why he said 13 22:20:07 <Wolf01> because i have 11 entries on the menu 22:20:23 <Sacro> yes but i dont think you can have an 11bit number can you? 22:20:41 <Wolf01> why not? 22:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: what you need is XOR (^) not OR (|) 22:21:14 <Eddi|zuHause> OR sets bits 22:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause> XOR toggles bits 22:21:26 <Wolf01> uhm 22:21:32 <BobingAbout> give it a 16 bit number, and just don't use the other 5 22:21:47 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: ah yes 22:21:55 <imav> sorry, but how does the server know who the administrator is? 22:22:01 <Sacro> AND makes 0, OR makes 1, XOR toggles 22:22:02 <imav> is it just the first user to join, or what? 22:22:04 <Wolf01> i have to split the if into 2 parts, because i must don't touch bits from 0 to 7 22:22:06 <Sacro> imav: set a password 22:22:17 <Sacro> the admin is the server itself 22:22:30 <Sacro> and then whoever has rcon access 22:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> imav: administrator is only the server, anyone connecting is normal user 22:23:12 <imav> so how do you define who has rcon access? 22:23:29 <Sacro> imav: set an rcon password, and only give it to admins 22:23:34 <imav> oh just found that, heh 22:23:36 <imav> thanks 22:23:57 <BobingAbout> admins, like me :P 22:24:21 <imav> it can only support one game at a time, right? 22:24:33 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 22:24:57 <Eddi|zuHause> if you want to have two servers, start the program twice 22:25:06 <Sacro> and use different ports 22:25:06 <RichK67> hi all 22:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to fiddle around with IPs though 22:25:13 <Sacro> hey RichK67, hows you? 22:25:15 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: no you dont 22:25:19 <Sacro> just change the port 22:25:32 <RichK67> tired 22:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i heard that would not work properly, with advertising especially 22:26:01 <Sacro> changing the ip doesnt work with advertising 22:26:13 <BobingAbout> right, WoW is kinda dead... either hydra is eating all my bandwidth, or its just gone crazy 22:26:13 <Sacro> because its only an internal IP 22:26:26 <BobingAbout> anyway, is KUDr still on? 22:26:36 <KUDr> maybe 22:26:50 <Sacro> KUDr: prove it 22:27:02 <KUDr> ok, looks so 22:27:10 <Sacro> hmm, good enough for me 22:27:10 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik, Celestar wanted to do something with the signals, but he has not been here in weeks 22:27:19 <Sacro> yeah, didnt he do a document 22:27:26 <BobingAbout> me and ben/sacro wanted to talk about signals, and aparantly, he thought it was a good idea to talk to you about it 22:27:55 <Sacro> well i thought the new signalling system was going to be built on YAPF, so i presumed KUDr would know a fair bit 22:28:05 <Sacro> and who did the old yellow signals patch? 22:28:14 <RichK67> nah, he's just the slave who has to do the work ;) 22:28:42 <KUDr> heh 22:28:46 <Sacro> RichK67: that a subtle complaint about your job? 22:29:05 <KUDr> Sacro: BobingAbout: so talk about it 22:29:16 <RichK67> nah, im just knackered - and after last nights patch-fest, having a night off ;) 22:29:27 <Sacro> RichK67: ahhh, a good rest 22:29:57 <BobingAbout> erm 22:30:01 <RichK67> well, if you call preparing my VAT accounts a rest, then yes ;) 22:30:22 <BobingAbout> anyone seen the new signals i've kinda been working on? 22:30:25 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:30:29 <Wolf01> ok, i changed: the whole code is 22:30:30 <Wolf01> if (GB(_display_opt,7,4)==0) { 22:30:30 <Wolf01> _display_opt |= 1920; //11110000000 22:30:30 <Wolf01> } else { //re sets the transparency to visible for all things 22:30:30 <Wolf01> _display_opt &= 127; 22:30:30 <Wolf01> _transp_opt &= 127; //reset also the temp variable for the shift 22:30:32 <Wolf01> } 22:30:34 <Wolf01> but when all the four left bits are 0, the if is false and i don't know why, so it resets the 4 bits everytime 22:30:51 <RichK67> yeah - pretty graphics bobing... just need some code to go with them :P 22:31:21 <BobingAbout> thats what this "talk" is about 22:31:23 *** bulio|out is now known as bulio 22:31:37 <BobingAbout> there are 2 ways things can go 22:31:48 <Sacro> RichK67: just discussing having yellow signals, as well as seperate home/distant semaphores 22:32:28 <BobingAbout> have like the current yellow signals patch, where the signals are all in 1 GRF fine in a certain order, and have openttd read it by name, or, have some sort of NFO flags in there, and read it by actions 22:32:37 <BobingAbout> I'd prefer the later 22:32:55 <RichK67> ah - brings back memories of a misspent youth sneaking into the local signal box :) 22:33:27 <BobingAbout> basicly, it started by wanting to add the priority signal, as you've probably read on the forums 22:33:41 <Ihmemies> tree planting suckss 22:33:47 <Wolf01> i post the problem in the forum because i'm going to bed, 'night everybody 22:33:49 <Sacro> RichK67: thats kind of illegal 22:33:54 <Ihmemies> why lumber mills @ subtropical use trees :/ 22:33:59 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 22:34:22 <hylje> because they got to get the lumber from something 22:34:27 <hylje> they arent magical factories 22:34:34 *** ammler is now known as ammler_away 22:34:37 <RichK67> sacro: i even pulled a few signals (under supervision) to let the trains through (Devon mainline near Exeter) 22:34:49 <Sacro> RichK67: nice one 22:35:12 <BobingAbout> bet it crashed 22:35:15 <RichK67> yeah - that signal box is now a birdwatching hide... bah!! progress :( 22:36:36 <RichK67> lol - nah, it was a great place though - really atmospheric with a coal fire, signalman smoking a pipe... ive got some old photos taken in there... it was all manual, no electrics 22:36:47 <KUDr> sorry for being so dumb, but what you wanted to discuss? 22:36:48 <Sacro> nmm 22:37:00 <RichK67> sorry - getting old ;) 22:37:04 <BobingAbout> :P 22:37:13 <BobingAbout> right 22:37:19 <BobingAbout> signals 22:37:40 <BobingAbout> basicly, we want many sets of signals, rather than just semaphores and lights 22:37:43 * KUDr is open for ideas, but you must explain them 22:38:01 <KUDr> so custom signals 22:38:11 <KUDr> each with different behavior? 22:38:13 <BobingAbout> but in a more costomisable fasion than the existing TTDPatch type NSignalsw.grf 22:38:18 <BobingAbout> erm, mostly, yes 22:38:48 <KUDr> i dont know that 22:38:59 <KUDr> what it allows? 22:39:04 <BobingAbout> the nsignalsw.grf specifies 1 action, and has to be followed by the entire block of signals, i find this a bit nasty if lets say you wanted to replace 1 set and not others 22:39:39 <KUDr> entire block of signals? 22:40:01 <Sacro> i think there should be a new newsignals newgrf newspec :P 22:40:07 <BobingAbout> so, i wanted to reserve a few extra NFO action instructions to be able to define what the signal graphics you are adding seperatly 22:40:42 <BobingAbout> the current system, ALL graphics need to be in the same action block, 1 action followed by about 240 graphics 22:40:47 <KUDr> BobingAbout: can there be just one custom signal that will be scripted? 22:40:49 <BobingAbout> thats just nasty 22:41:01 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181122011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought dalestan was the newgrf spec nerd ;) 22:41:10 *** bulio [n=bulio@unaffiliated/bulio] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:41:37 <BobingAbout> what i want to do is create a slightly more costomisable newGRF NFO format for OTTD new new signals 22:41:52 <BobingAbout> 1 that allows yellow and double yellow signal states 22:41:56 <RichK67> well, he would like to define them all, but if OTTD takes a newgrf lead, maybe TTDP will have to follow for once ;) 22:42:02 <KUDr> ok, but first explain features on some example 22:42:24 <BobingAbout> room for more pre-signal types, such as my priority signal 22:42:37 <BobingAbout> more than 1 set of signals, so they change graphics as time goes by 22:42:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe we must split signal graphics from signal semantics 22:42:41 *** iridium [n=iridium@host-84-9-208-77.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:42:45 <KUDr> what that priority signal should do? 22:42:57 <RichK67> yeah - distant yellows :) 22:42:59 <BobingAbout> i also called it a "reverse combo pre-signal" 22:43:03 <KUDr> Eddi|zuHause: agree 22:43:13 <Sacro> RichK67: i want distant yellows, would be amazing with realistic braking 22:43:19 <RichK67> yeah 22:43:21 <BobingAbout> does the same thing as a priority block, except you just change signal type instead 22:43:32 <Sacro> put yellow too close, then your train doesnt stand a chance of stopping in time 22:43:57 <RichK67> hmm... sacro - that will never get past the devs 22:44:09 <Sacro> RichK67: not even the MiniIN dev? 22:44:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the other way round, put signal too close creates speed limit on the track 22:44:27 <RichK67> it will generate too many "my trains are always crashing" support emails 22:44:37 <KUDr> BobingAbout: please explain me what do you want to achieve and how - i am really dumb guy 22:44:44 <Sacro> RichK67: well have an "enable realistic braking distances" option 22:45:01 <RichK67> i will check with the MiniIN dev... nope, he's asleep ;) 22:45:11 <Sacro> its like people clicking on the "force train to jump signal" button, or adjusting a PbS block with trains using it 22:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that should really be a difficulty option! 22:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> along with wagonspeedlimits 22:45:35 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: realistic braking? 22:45:36 <BobingAbout> 1, allow yellow signals though a GRF command, instead of a costom bunch of graphics with no real NewGRF function 22:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 22:46:04 <Sacro> ive been thinking about it, but i dont know much about the physics 22:46:06 <BobingAbout> 2, allow for more signal types, such as twice as many pre-signals, if you can come up with them 22:46:34 <BobingAbout> 3, allow construction of "mainline" and "Branchline" signals, instead of just global set 22:47:28 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.2/2006051612]"] 22:48:04 <KUDr> BobingAbout: this all is second step - first i need to know what signal behavior we are talking about 22:48:15 <BobingAbout> 4, allow timeline spacific signals, so signals constructed after a certain date use a different graphic, 1 example of this is the 3 lights pole for red yellow and green become a singal light that can display all 3 colours though use of multicolour LED technology 22:48:35 <BobingAbout> signal behavior 22:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> so you need a) a more flexible way of describing signal behaviour, and b) a unified way of loading graphics for each signal type/state 22:48:41 <RichK67> yeah - i think a "branchline" signal is more useful than a priority signal... its a lower priority entry rather than the strange way of placing the priority signals 22:48:46 <BobingAbout> first there is the yellow signals 22:49:18 <BobingAbout> yer, i agree with richk actually, the priority signal idea came first though 22:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> while a) needs a complete rewrite of the signal code, b) should be rather trivial 22:49:48 <hylje> why the fucking disasters strike the same fucking place all the fucking time, fuck 22:49:56 <KUDr> BobingAbout: so what is "priority signal" behavior? 22:50:11 *** imav [n=gregg@S0106000c419cf9d8.cg.shawcable.net] has quit ["imav!"] 22:51:07 <BobingAbout> priority signal, the signal itself behaves as a regular signal, however there is a virtual combo signal in the oposite direction, that will pass a "red" signal to an entry signal in the same block, if no other green combo or exit signals are present 22:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and what i really think is, instead of creating more and more 'special case' signals, we should develop some kind of scripting language 22:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> which could also be used for AI scripting and stuff 22:51:36 <Sacro> BobingAbout: you wouldnt need a prority signal with a yellow signal 22:51:48 <Sacro> the yellow signal would slow down the branch train 22:51:51 <RichK67> lol @ disasters... i was playing an airports only game... the ufos had no buses or traintracks to attack so did weird things like land on the sea to be attacked by XCom... :) 22:51:56 <KUDr> BobingAbout: the same you can do if you place combined signal - each side different - is it true? 22:52:09 <BobingAbout> depends ben, it is possable to get a mainline signal to do simular behavoiur 22:52:29 <Sacro> hmm, maybe scripting then 22:52:37 <BobingAbout> KUDr: yes, but this is designed to eliminate the need to the extra lane required 22:52:48 <KUDr> Sacro: forget about any special yellow signal 22:52:57 <Sacro> KUDr: what do you mean? 22:53:14 <KUDr> BobingAbout: but if i allow you it on the same line? 22:53:24 <KUDr> Sacro: later... 22:53:29 <Sacro> KUDr: okies :) 22:54:04 <KUDr> BobingAbout: imagine new signals - they can even be tile edge signals 22:54:06 <hylje> really.. this mine ive been servicing for 70 years has grown from 30 tons a month to *gasp* 700 22:54:10 <BobingAbout> have you looked at the priority signals thread on the forums? because that has a picture that can ecplain it better than words 22:54:29 <KUDr> BobingAbout: link? 22:54:58 <BobingAbout> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25766 22:55:00 <KUDr> thanx 22:55:00 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:56:05 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?124714 <-- hmm, gee, I wonder what happened after this XD 22:56:10 <BobingAbout> KUDr: clear things up? 22:56:25 <KUDr> yes, but it is hard to apply 22:56:30 <KUDr> on new signals 22:56:37 <KUDr> as they should be 22:56:49 <KUDr> they will always look forward 22:56:54 <Sacro> Bjarni: PMSL 22:57:03 <KUDr> try to forget about current behavior 22:57:16 <Sacro> KUDr: what about a signal callback? 22:57:16 <peter1138> Bjarni: gotta be a setup 22:57:26 <BobingAbout> thats why it requires some kind of "Virtual" signal 22:57:26 <Bjarni> not unlikely 22:57:30 <KUDr> imagine signals, that are driven by smart dispatcher - traffic manager 22:57:41 <Bjarni> but odds are that they didn't realised that until after that moment 22:58:26 <KUDr> Sacro, BobingAbout: #newsignals 22:58:29 <Bjarni> I image that they would have a talk about wanting to see other people 22:58:32 <RichK67> i would just like to see signals that default to red, and turn green when a train approaches 22:58:51 <hylje> scriptable and groupable signals kthx 22:58:51 <hylje> :b 22:58:55 <Sacro> i thought we already had #openttd.signals 22:59:02 <Bjarni> RichK67: like real life signals 22:59:02 <BobingAbout> crap, now i've got to figure out how to join another new channel... 22:59:22 <KUDr> BobingAbout: RichK67: #newsignals 22:59:26 <Sacro> hehe 22:59:28 <Sacro> n00bs 23:02:28 <RichK67> sorry - not right now.. bath and bed :) 23:02:32 <RichK67> gn 23:02:43 <KUDr> gn 23:02:44 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 23:03:01 <KUDr> maybe 23:03:12 <KUDr> oops 23:05:23 *** trogdorx [n=eirik@tor/session/external/x-41362077272bdcf3] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:05:34 *** trogdorx [i=eirik@tor/session/external/x-6844b0b1d0f5f629] has joined #openttd 23:08:05 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B35E80.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:09:33 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:09:42 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:15:14 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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Stop. 23:46:42 <trogdorx> It told me to stop. 23:47:49 <glx> no it stopped 23:47:58 <trogdorx> Oh, well i stopped to. 23:48:11 <trogdorx> uhm, would it be safe just to remove all the .o, .c, .h files? 23:48:30 <glx> yes no problem with rm *.o *.c *.h 23:48:35 <trogdorx> ugh, so many files 23:49:07 <trogdorx> # paths for make install 23:49:08 <trogdorx> # disabled as they would break it for some (many?) people if they were default 23:49:11 <trogdorx> #PREFIX:=/usr/local 23:49:12 <trogdorx> #DATA_DIR:=share/games/openttd 23:49:14 <trogdorx> #BINARY_DIR:=games 23:49:17 <trogdorx> oops 23:49:46 <trogdorx> but yea, basically its disabled 23:50:12 <glx> Sacro: you know that better than me I think 23:50:18 <trogdorx> oh 23:50:23 <trogdorx> I CAN ACTUALLY DEFINE A TARGET 23:50:37 <Sacro> ahh, this is actually openttd, not sdl 23:50:37 <glx> yes cross-compilation is possible 23:50:40 <Sacro> lol 23:51:05 <trogdorx> now, how do i set a target? 23:51:06 <Sacro> i have a seperate folder, and into it i place "openttd", "lang/english.lng" and the "data/" 23:53:26 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:53:26 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:57:33 <Sacro> trogdorx: figured it? 23:57:53 <trogdorx> nope 23:57:59 <trogdorx> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Linux#Compiling_and_running 23:58:01 <trogdorx> Compile OpenTTD with: 23:58:01 <trogdorx> $ make 23:58:09 <trogdorx> yea that helps 23:58:17 <Sacro> hmm 23:58:29 <Sacro> GNOME seems to be using gVIM instead of gedit 23:58:31 <trogdorx> alternatively i could just leave it as is 23:58:40 <trogdorx> but that's a bitch really :\ 23:58:56 <Sacro> just move it yourself 23:59:29 <trogdorx> but 23:59:32 <trogdorx> there are several files 23:59:37 <trogdorx> i dont know which ones to move 23:59:54 <trogdorx> i edited makefile.config now