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00:02:31 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-172-76.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:05:13 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:05:48 <BFM> I was playing UT2k4 last night... I like the user profile system it's got. Then I realised that RCT3 also has a very fancy user profile login too. So I was wondering if such system would be welcomed to Open TTD? 00:06:43 <hylje> discussed 00:07:10 <BFM> Yah? Hidden somewhere in the forums eh? 00:07:20 <hylje> irclogs more like 00:07:41 <BFM> Any idea what the outcomes were, if any? 00:08:08 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 00:08:10 <hylje> good idea but someone has to code it 00:08:15 <elho> is an user profile system the moronic idea to emulate what any multiuser system already offers? :P per user settings, etc. 00:08:41 <hylje> no, on the internets 00:10:14 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 00:10:23 <Zavior> utk4 invasion is fun :p 00:11:29 *** spoon [n=spoon@203.220.47.90] has quit [] 00:14:40 <elho> hmm, is a maglev just like a monorail faster on 45 deg corners than on entering a depot? 00:15:05 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B77CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:16:12 <Sacro> anyone know anywhere where i can get 2nd hand, or reconditioned laptops for cheap./ 00:16:51 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:17:14 <BFM> Sacro, where you at? 00:17:50 <Sacro> ben@adsl-83-100-172-76.karoo.KCOM.COM 00:18:21 <hylje> hah 00:18:38 <Sacro> hylje: this ISP only covers 1 city, 1 town and about 3 villages 00:19:03 <hylje> interesting 00:19:09 <BFM> Reconditioned laptop 00:19:31 <BFM> Is that a nice way of saying re-birthed? 00:19:38 <hylje> refurbished 00:20:06 <Sacro> hylje: when the telecoms system was merged into British Telecom, Kingston Communcations was the only one who refused, hence its the only ISP i can have 00:20:15 <Sacro> BFM: yeah, similar 00:20:31 <hylje> :o 00:23:10 <BFM> haha, refurbished. Renovated. 00:23:14 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@71-213-115-201.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 00:24:02 <Sacro> disassemble, dead... NO DISASSEMBLE 00:24:19 * Vornicus disassembles Sacro. 00:24:38 <Sacro> jonny 5 is alive! 00:25:35 <BFM> WTB: A laptop with a CORRUPT "wink" HARD DRIVE 00:25:52 <Sacro> WTB? 00:25:59 <Sacro> this one is totally bust 00:26:01 <BFM> Batteries Not Included pwnz Jonny. 00:26:09 <BFM> *wanted to buy* 00:26:09 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:26:14 <Sacro> keyboard, mouse, occasionally pcmcia and graphics 00:27:57 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 00:28:03 <BFM> I don't do laptops. PC case all the way. 00:29:47 <Sacro> BFM: i cant use my pc 00:29:54 <Sacro> my mum wont let me 00:36:35 <BFM> Really? Your mum won't let you use your PC? How come? 00:37:10 <BFM> I've been on my PC since the age of 4... good ol' 286. 00:38:41 <Sacro> she wants the study to herself when she gets in from work 00:39:17 <BFM> ah, fairnuff. Why a laptop over another case though? Any particular reason? They're just much more pricey, with less bang for your buck, as such... 00:39:45 <Sacro> id like a new desktop, but i could really do with the portability 00:43:25 *** Forexs- [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 00:43:45 <BFM> I'm building my case, even creating the tower from scratch. I'm making it out of Aluminium frame ^_^ 00:43:46 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:44:18 *** imachine_ [n=imachine@mlink.net.pl] has joined #openttd 00:44:43 <Sacro> hmm, well if i want a new desktop, thats gonna be a new build from scratch 00:46:47 <BFM> Personally, I like Nforce stuff. 00:48:05 <Sacro> me too 00:48:16 <Triffid_Hunter> yeah nforce works for me too.. behaves beautifully in linux 00:49:04 <Sacro> yeah, so ive heard 00:49:28 <Sacro> though its 2am, so im gonna have to head off 00:49:31 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 00:52:07 <BFM> I run an nforce 2 setup. Epox MB. Never ever had an issue with it, at all. 00:52:15 <Sacro> hmm 00:52:43 * Vornicus can't seem to build a computer that lasts longer than 6 months. 00:52:47 <Sacro> hmm, me neither 00:52:51 <Sacro> oh well 2am, night all 00:53:04 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-172-76.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:54:40 <BFM> Vornicus, really? 00:54:45 <Vornicus> Yeah 00:54:53 <Vornicus> They all develop problems. 00:55:00 <BFM> I have bits in my current setup that are from 1999. :D 00:55:13 <Vornicus> Hard drives crash, RAM goes bad, Power sources die, motherboards release their magic smoke... 00:55:17 <hylje> mine is rather stable in hardware 00:55:23 <hylje> but this one is a *workstation* 00:55:29 <Vornicus> Video cards overheat because their fans don't stay on... 00:55:38 <BFM> and all the bits that aren't in my current setup, are in a computer I gave to my folks, all 7 years old, and still chuggin along! Including the hard drives! LOL... 00:55:43 <Vornicus> And usually they take other stuff with them. 00:55:48 <Vornicus> I must now go. 00:55:51 <Vornicus> byeeeeeeeee 00:55:53 <hylje> BFM: hf with your 10mb hd 00:56:09 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@71-213-115-201.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [] 00:56:26 <BFM> haha, it's a 20gig HD :P 00:58:57 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:00:35 *** imachine [n=imachine@mlink.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:15:30 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 01:20:12 <BFM> They're talking up dual cores here at work... but... they don't seem to realise that nothing will really utilize the dual core setup... 01:20:33 *** Klanticus [n=Klanticu@200-171-19-173.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:20:53 <Zavior> Some games do :p 01:37:41 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 01:44:38 *** fusion [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:45:37 *** fusion [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 02:02:52 *** Forexs- [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. Last words are for fools who haven't said enough. - Karl Marx"] 02:04:44 <BFM> Some games do? Which ones? And to what extent :D 02:05:11 <Triffid_Hunter> quake3 can take advantage of multiple processors/cores, though i don't know to what extent 02:09:24 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:09:42 <BFM> From memory, I think it just processes the music through the second core :) 02:10:56 <Triffid_Hunter> I thought it ran the server on one and the client on the other 02:15:42 <BFM> Really? I wasn't aware of this 02:17:31 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:17:41 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:35:22 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:41:18 <CIA-3> belugas * r5513 /branches/TGP/ (155 files in 17 dirs): [TGP] Synch with trunk up to 5512 02:42:13 <RichK67> was it ok?? any conflicts? 02:42:34 <Belugas_Gone> conflicts, yes, but nothing that is deadly :) 02:42:55 <Belugas_Gone> but my changes are not in yet. 02:43:09 <Belugas_Gone> i still have that ghost on the seed edit box. 02:43:15 <RichK67> good... nearly there on aircraft depot window .... not happy, as im not well, and overstressed/overworked... 02:43:35 <Belugas_Gone> am too 02:43:43 <Belugas_Gone> but, you know the man 02:43:55 <Belugas_Gone> he does keep his words 02:44:04 <RichK67> yeah... will you look at code, or shall i just commit anyway (it works) 02:44:30 <Belugas_Gone> can't look, too tired, and i've done a lot for you today ;) 02:44:44 <Belugas_Gone> going to sleep, in fact 02:45:05 <RichK67> sorry... 02:45:09 <RichK67> didnt know 02:45:28 <Belugas_Gone> how could you ? ;) 02:45:53 <Belugas_Gone> send an email to tron 02:46:00 <Belugas_Gone> tron@openttd.org 02:46:01 <RichK67> i deleted my last one 02:46:09 <Belugas_Gone> show him what you've done so far 02:46:18 <RichK67> i couldnt send it, without toning down :) 02:46:51 <Belugas_Gone> hehe 02:47:17 <Belugas_Gone> well... there is still tomorrow 02:48:10 <Belugas_Gone> good night 02:48:44 <RichK67> ok gn 03:04:07 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 03:05:07 *** guru3 [n=guru3@2002:51e7:e65f:1:0:0:0:1] has joined #openttd 03:07:07 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 03:16:21 *** imachine_ [n=imachine@mlink.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:17:00 *** imachine [n=imachine@mlink.net.pl] has joined #openttd 03:19:34 *** narthollis [n=nano-tec@dsl-203-113-239-106.SA.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 03:22:02 <BFM> What are the recommended server specs for Open TTD? 03:23:38 <Triffid_Hunter> i'd say at the very least 500mhz, 256mb ram depending on map size 03:27:04 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:27:16 *** imachine [n=imachine@mlink.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:27:17 *** imachine [n=imachine@mlink.net.pl] has joined #openttd 03:39:27 <BFM> Map size 1024 x 1024... 03:39:28 <BFM> I have an old PIII 800, with 512 ram 03:39:42 <BFM> Just wondering if it'll do the job... I might trial it out tonight :D 03:59:54 *** The-Moon_ is now known as The-Moon 04:11:18 <imachine> hey, you know what would be great? 04:11:27 <imachine> a unit design! 04:11:47 <imachine> some bit of r&d driven by ai. 04:11:57 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:12:01 <imachine> so always new technologies left to avail. 04:12:44 <BFM> I'd love that too 04:13:03 <imachine> +maybe making the 'localized' versions of ttd. 04:13:22 <BFM> Research new components in vehicles... such as bus capacities, or new tyres, or suspensions, ect ect 04:13:24 <imachine> so that a setting like 'czech' would set the city names to czech, czech money, and czech graphics set :] 04:13:35 <imachine> yeah, build your own bussess and stuff ;] 04:13:49 <imachine> but thats more of a new graphic tile set idea, yet still its pretty cool. 04:13:50 <BFM> Yup, design them from scratch up, to suit your companies direction... 04:14:13 <BFM> RESEARCH in better, say, industrial type stations, to suit coal mines 04:14:42 <BFM> R & D in any game rocks... 04:14:44 <BFM> Look at Syndicate, or Theme Hospital 04:14:45 <imachine> yeah, different history lines too could be added to the localization part, say different engines etc available in different countries :] 04:15:10 <BFM> And I could buy research off you :D to save me building a bus research facility 04:15:56 <imachine> i;d rather say 04:16:01 <imachine> spying on the other part. 04:16:11 <BFM> haha 04:16:24 <imachine> say you invest in your IT dpt. 04:16:33 <imachine> (once your company grows) 04:16:41 <imachine> that would be so cool. oh man >_< 04:16:42 <BFM> ALSO, bus depots, where buses sleep at night, along with their maitenance... and the good old Bus stop, and proper bus shelters... 04:16:52 <imachine> like, this is trasport tycoon right 04:16:57 <BFM> yah 04:17:06 <imachine> say in 1996 it gives a possibility for new transport. 04:17:10 <imachine> DATA. 04:17:15 <imachine> you build your own fiber etc. 04:17:28 <imachine> (just to throw it in there, for a fun choice of industry ;)) 04:17:44 <imachine> s/transport/cargo. 04:18:27 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:18:29 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:18:31 <imachine> lying down cables and investing into switches like depots; so forth. plus some maybe more inner-city transportation. 04:18:33 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 04:18:37 <imachine> like doing lines around bussess. 04:18:38 <imachine> etc. 04:19:05 <imachine> say you make this some what a zooming function 'click' zoom into a city. then it turns to be like CITY version of graphics, industries. etc. 04:19:07 <BFM> You could lay down cables when laying down train tracks, or roads... all in the one square. 04:19:10 <imachine> trams instead of rails. 04:19:15 <imachine> BFM, yeah 04:19:26 <imachine> BFM, (theres even an ISP where i live) 04:19:32 <imachine> (who does that, with railways) 04:19:45 <imachine> onto the zooming idea, 04:19:54 <imachine> would be nice to zoom back sorta 04:19:59 <imachine> in say countries 04:20:02 <imachine> making investments. 04:20:03 <imachine> abroad ;] 04:20:12 <imachine> pushing money from different company locals. 04:20:24 <BFM> Imports, and exports. Have a virtual stock market running in the backround 04:20:33 <imachine> huh that might be a bit heavy 04:20:36 <imachine> but sure why not. 04:20:40 <BFM> Companies must invest in things like oil, to run 04:20:45 <imachine> its all about ideas.. 04:20:50 <BFM> OIL RUNS OUT, EVERYONE DIES 04:20:54 <imachine> hehehe 04:20:57 <imachine> nah i'd say, 04:21:02 <imachine> be realistic 04:21:03 <imachine> is nice 04:21:13 <imachine> but in games sometimes, we must remember, that they are games 04:21:31 <imachine> and as games need to be seen; so reality is always bent a little, the thing is, whats nice is to keep balance. 04:21:50 <imachine> both between bent reality's amount in there and the realistic parts' amount. 04:22:27 <imachine> making stuff about real life i think is sorta like making a movie off a book; you have to intepret some things and cut some out ;] 04:22:31 <imachine> or change them ;p 04:26:08 <BFM> I was being realistic :( 04:26:34 <BFM> Transport tycoon. Dawn of Oil. 04:27:01 <BFM> So many good ideas... Wish I could program *cries* 04:32:18 *** csuke371 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 04:32:53 <imachine> :] 04:45:29 *** csuke [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:45:32 *** csuke371 is now known as csuke 05:18:45 *** imachine [n=imachine@mlink.net.pl] has quit ["leaving"] 05:23:54 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3F083.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd ["Client exiting"] 05:26:14 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:27:25 *** Xaroth_ [n=shaman@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 05:27:31 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:36:17 *** Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: eQualizer, BFM, Mucht|zZz, _max_, mIGu, FredNeuberger, Jezral, dp--, mrzero, peter1138, (+39 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 05:37:25 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Killed by ballard.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 05:37:25 *** Netsplit over, joins: MiHaMiX 05:37:25 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 05:37:25 *** Netsplit over, joins: Celestar, guru3, Eddi|zuHause2, BFM, Mucht|zZz, GoneWacko, mikk36, archii, dp--, Sedated (+38 more) 05:37:25 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+o MiHaMiX] by irc.freenode.net 05:38:07 *** CIA-8 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 05:38:51 *** CIA-3 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [] 05:40:44 <BFM> I don't understand this NickServ password thing... apparently my nickname is in use? 05:42:00 *** Xaroth [n=shaman@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:43:27 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:43:46 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 05:44:46 *** BFM [n=chatzill@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:45:25 <BFM> Anyone help me out? 05:49:03 <BFM> :( 05:51:55 *** Zaviori [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:57:26 <toweri> BFM: RTFF http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration 05:59:00 <BFM> The nickname [BFM] is already registered :( 05:59:20 <BFM> I think it may have registered me before, but automaticly? 06:06:52 <toweri> Or someone else registered it. 06:07:03 <toweri> In the case of which... well, tough luck. 06:07:18 <toweri> Are you sure you haven't registered it for yourself? 06:11:07 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:11:21 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:15:45 <BFM> Yeah, I guess someone has registered it then. But i didn't have this problem yesterday... 06:16:17 *** BFM is now known as BurningFeetMan 06:16:54 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:17:33 <BurningFeetMan> ok, Registered BurningFeetMan :D 06:25:06 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:28:49 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 06:29:00 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 06:35:31 <[Shaman]> BurningFeetMan: /msg nickserv info nickname 06:35:39 <[Shaman]> will give you information about who registred it. 06:36:46 <peter1138> heh 06:36:57 <peter1138> used for 1 day a year and a half ago 06:37:03 <peter1138> these things should expire :) 06:37:20 *** Zaviori [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 06:37:36 *** Zaviori [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:39:45 <BurningFeetMan> Oh don't worry. Burningfeetman is better, but I didn't realise it could fit! Hence, why I tried BFM :P 06:40:14 <BurningFeetMan> I'm pretty sure I registered BFM ... automaticly, or something... meh... :D 06:41:13 <BurningFeetMan> oh... wait, haha, no, 1 year ago... I definately didn't register THAT. 06:41:22 <BurningFeetMan> Meh, I'm happy with my fullname 06:43:42 <toweri> peter1138: They do. 06:44:00 <toweri> Well, not automatically, but if a nick hasn't been used in 60 days, it can be released by freenode staff. 06:44:09 <toweri> RTF FAQ ;) 06:46:33 <BurningFeetMan> Possible to change password? (Yes, I'm reading the FAQ... it's just not, jumping out and biting me) 06:47:43 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:47:46 <[Shaman]> yes 06:47:54 <[Shaman]> /msg nickserv help 06:47:55 <[Shaman]> ; 06:47:57 <[Shaman]> :) 06:48:00 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 06:48:01 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 06:49:42 <MiHaMiX> let's commit 06:49:43 <CIA-8> miham * r5514 /trunk/lang/ (icelandic.txt slovak.txt): 06:49:43 <CIA-8> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-18 08:49:21 06:49:43 <CIA-8> icelandic - 2 fixed, 37 changed by scrooge (39) 06:49:43 <CIA-8> slovak - 66 changed by lengyel (66) 06:56:57 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 07:00:52 <BurningFeetMan> Yay! 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One of these is the main class. The other one, called Menu, is a base for menus in my application. 10:15:10 <MeusH> I create a menu in the main class 10:15:11 <MeusH> using 10:15:24 <MeusH> Menu main; 10:15:25 <MeusH> ... 10:15:43 <MeusH> main = new Menu(M_GLOWNE); 10:15:57 <MeusH> (don't care about M_GLOWNE, it means int 1 10:16:13 <MeusH> the main class also creates a Canvas 10:16:27 <MeusH> Canvas screen; 10:16:27 <MeusH> ... 10:16:46 <MeusH> screen = new Screen(); 10:16:57 <MeusH> later in the code, 10:17:01 <MeusH> class Screen extends Canvas { 10:17:18 <MeusH> I need to acces a variable or method of the main class 10:17:23 <MeusH> but it's somehow impossible 10:17:39 <MeusH> here is main class header: 10:17:39 <MeusH> public class MasterMindMidlet extends MIDlet implements CommandListener { 10:17:57 <MeusH> int j; 10:18:03 <Frostregen> access = modify? 10:18:04 <MeusH> j = MasterMindMidlet.getCurrentMenu(); 10:18:10 <Frostregen> or just needing a value? 10:18:15 <MeusH> I can't do that 10:18:44 <MeusH> the second thing is, that I can't acces "main" I created before 10:19:15 <MeusH> String tekst = glowne.getTekst(i); just doesn't work 10:19:26 <MeusH> do you want compiler errors, or you can handle this? 10:19:37 <MeusH> Frostregen, I need a value 10:19:51 <MeusH> int getObecneMenu() { 10:19:51 <MeusH> return obecnemenu; 10:19:51 <MeusH> } 10:20:08 <MeusH> I read somewhere I shouldn't acces variables directly, so I'm using methods instead 10:20:43 <Frostregen> the methods should be "public int getMe()" 10:21:32 <Frostregen> are the compiler errors from the sort "method xyz is not visible" ? 10:22:31 <MeusH> no 10:22:33 <MeusH> non-static method getObecneMenu() cannot be referenced from a static context 10:22:42 <Frostregen> ah ok 10:22:44 <MeusH> public int getObecneMenu() { 10:22:44 <MeusH> return obecnemenu; 10:22:44 <MeusH> } 10:22:46 <MeusH> is in... 10:22:53 <MeusH> public class MasterMindMidlet extends MIDlet implements CommandListener { 10:23:00 <MeusH> so I don't see any static there 10:23:03 <MeusH> now to the caller 10:23:18 <MeusH> int i, j, zazn; 10:23:18 <MeusH> j = MasterMindMidlet.getObecneMenu(); 10:23:31 <MeusH> inside 10:23:32 <blathijs> MeusH: the main function is static? 10:23:39 <MeusH> class Ekran extends Canvas { 10:23:39 <MeusH> 10:23:39 <MeusH> 10:23:39 <MeusH> public void paint(Graphics g){ 10:23:59 <MeusH> blathijs: no 10:24:08 <blathijs> yes, by definition 10:24:08 <MeusH> the only "static" it finds is... 10:24:09 <MeusH> public static final int M_GLOWNE = 1; 10:24:15 <MeusH> and so on 10:24:43 <blathijs> oh, wait, your using a "MIDlet", which probably munges stuff :-) 10:24:46 <MeusH> ohyeah, yes, it is, I read somewhere the main functions are always static... 10:24:48 <Frostregen> that shouldn't be a problem 10:25:12 <MeusH> blathijs: I just need to acces things from a class x by a class y 10:25:35 <blathijs> MeusH: you are now talking in a static context 10:25:55 <blathijs> unless you mean "I need to access things from an object of class x from an object of class y" 10:26:28 <MeusH> well, the main class does not have any object 10:26:44 <MeusH> however, the main class creates a object of the other class 10:26:59 <MeusH> which is anyway unreachable by the third class 10:27:01 <blathijs> wat exactly is your main class? MasterMindMidlet? 10:27:06 <MeusH> yes 10:27:21 <blathijs> and in what method do you create the main Menu class? 10:28:07 <MeusH> public Menu main; // <- beginning of the class 10:28:12 <MeusH> protected void startApp() throws MIDletStateChangeException { 10:28:12 <MeusH> main = new Menu(M_GLOWNE); 10:28:47 <blathijs> okay 10:29:00 <blathijs> and now you need to access values inside MasterMindMidlet from Menu? 10:29:05 <Frostregen> j = MasterMindMidlet.getObecneMenu(); <-this is static access 10:29:20 <blathijs> the static part is "MasterMindMidlet" 10:29:35 <MeusH> blathijs: no, from the other class (that is also created in the main class) 10:29:39 <blathijs> it's a class, not an object, while getObecneMenu is not a static method 10:30:04 <MeusH> blathijs: can I make it non-static? 10:30:11 <blathijs> You should give Menu's constructor an extra parameter of type MasterMindMidlet 10:30:12 <MeusH> this would get rid of half of the problem 10:30:40 <MeusH> which would be some kind of pointer? 10:30:41 <blathijs> then store the parameter in a instance variable inside the Menu class 10:30:56 <blathijs> an object reference, actually 10:31:03 <blathijs> so: 10:31:40 <blathijs> in Menu: 10:31:52 <blathijs> MasterMindMidlet mml; 10:31:58 <blathijs> public Menu(int something, MasterMindLet mml) { this.mml = mml; } 10:32:14 <blathijs> and in MasterMindMidlet.startApp(): 10:32:25 <blathijs> main = new Menu(M_GLOWNE, this); 10:32:53 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181111050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:33:19 <blathijs> MeusH: Are you just fiddling around in java, or did you actually read up on Object Oriented Programming? 10:34:52 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:37:13 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:39:17 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> i would expect java to have an "instance" or "application" variable, which contains an object of the main class, created on startup 10:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> at least i remember such a thing from delphi 10:45:43 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 10:46:01 <MeusH> hey blathijs 10:46:03 <MeusH> sorry 10:46:10 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause3: well, there is no such thing as an application variable or global variabel in java 10:46:11 <MeusH> I knocked over the electric cable 10:46:18 <MeusH> and I broke it into two parts 10:46:23 <blathijs> woops 10:46:24 <MeusH> hopefully it didn't shock me 10:46:36 <MeusH> but I glued it with a special tape :) 10:46:39 <blathijs> :-) 10:46:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, i don't mean a global variable 10:47:00 <blathijs> MeusH: What was the last you saw? :-) 10:47:33 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause3: You do have the "this" variable, referring to the object itself. So within the main routine, it would refer to the main object 10:47:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am not sure if a static function actually has a "this" 10:48:05 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause3: (though in pure java, the main method is static, not a real method) 10:48:14 <MeusH> so the last message was <blathijs> then store the parameter in a instance variable inside the Menu class 10:48:14 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause3: no, it hasn't 10:48:25 <blathijs> 12:30 < blathijs> an object reference, actually 10:48:25 <blathijs> 12:31 < blathijs> so: 10:48:25 <blathijs> 12:31 < blathijs> in Menu: 10:48:25 <blathijs> 12:31 < blathijs> MasterMindMidlet mml; 10:48:25 <blathijs> 12:31 < blathijs> public Menu(int something, MasterMindLet mml) { this.mml = mml; } 10:48:27 <MeusH> but I don't understand it much 10:48:28 <blathijs> 12:32 < blathijs> and in MasterMindMidlet.startApp(): 10:48:30 <blathijs> 12:32 < blathijs> main = new Menu(M_GLOWNE, this); 10:48:33 <blathijs> 12:33 < blathijs> MeusH: Are you just fiddling around in java, or did you actually read up on Object Oriented Programming? 10:48:47 <MeusH> both 10:49:45 <MeusH> I wrote a nice MIDlet menu, and console version version of mastermind, now I want to make the menu better, and finally recreate the mastermind so it will work in a mobile, not a console 10:51:03 <blathijs> but, do you understand what I said? 10:51:11 <MeusH> most of it 10:51:12 <MeusH> seems we missed our points 10:51:21 <MeusH> I don't need to acces anything from Menu 10:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> MeusH: i would suggest not making the MasterMindMidlet your main class, but make another main class which contains a (static) variable of type MasterMindMidlet 10:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> this could solve your problems 10:51:39 <MeusH> I need to acces data of Menu and MasterMindMidlet from Screen 10:52:11 <MeusH> but both Menu and Screen were created by MasterMindMidlet 10:52:23 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 10:52:27 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:52:29 *** Zaviori [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 10:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> then you can access MainClass.mml from other objects/classes 10:53:14 <MeusH> what does mml stand for? 10:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> your variable name ;) 10:53:32 <MeusH> :/ 10:53:34 <blathijs> MasterMindLet, but that should be mmm for MasterMindMidlet :-) 10:53:45 <MeusH> oh I see :) 10:53:59 <blathijs> MeusH: you can just apply what I said, but modify the constructor of Screen instead of Menu 10:54:26 <MeusH> that's what I'm doing 10:54:45 <blathijs> well, you should then replace your 10:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> so you have MainClass { static MasterMindMidlet <whatever name>; static main(.) { <name> = new MasterMindMidlet} 10:54:48 <blathijs> 12:29 < Frostregen> j = MasterMindMidlet.getObecneMenu(); <-this is static access 10:55:00 <blathijs> by 10:55:08 <blathijs> j = this.mmm.getObecneMenu(); 10:57:33 <MeusH> so, following blathijs' way, the code should be like 10:57:34 <MeusH> public MasterMindMidlet() { 10:57:34 <MeusH> ekran = new Ekran(this); 10:57:34 <MeusH> } 10:57:36 <MeusH> ? 11:00:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> i am not exactly sure what you mean by that 11:02:04 <MeusH> ohyeah, I forgot about the second part 11:02:21 <MeusH> class Ekran extends Canvas { 11:02:21 <MeusH> 11:02:21 <MeusH> int ScreenWidth, //szeroko?? 11:02:21 <MeusH> ScreenHeight; //i d?ugo?? ekranu 11:02:21 <MeusH> 11:02:22 <MeusH> Ekran(MasterMindMidlet mmm) { 11:02:26 <MeusH> 11:02:28 <MeusH> } 11:02:41 <MeusH> and Ekran is screen. I made a mistake naming things not in english 11:09:46 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:10:08 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 11:12:51 <blathijs> MeusH: you should also store mm somewhere, currently, it is only available inside Ekran's constructor. (Or is that enough?) 11:12:57 <blathijs> s/mm/mmm/ 11:16:51 <kinnaz> aww 11:17:43 *** MeusH_ [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 11:19:12 <kinnaz> can factory be broken 11:19:17 <kinnaz> that it dosen't produce goods 11:19:26 <kinnaz> it takes the required stuff and gives money for them.. 11:19:32 <kinnaz> but it just won't produce goods.. 11:19:33 <kinnaz> :| 11:22:26 <MeusH_> blathijs: storing it in the constructor is enough for now 11:22:34 <Sacro> kinnaz: known RC1 bug 11:22:42 <kinnaz> aww 11:22:48 <kinnaz> is there quickfix for it 11:22:53 <kinnaz> or smt 11:22:56 <kinnaz> or i should downgrade 11:23:36 <Sacro> depends on the devs... 11:23:59 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 11:24:20 <MeusH_> hey RichK67 11:24:28 <RichK67> hi 11:25:12 <MeusH_> blathijs: should the constructor contain something? 11:25:19 <MeusH_> it's pretty empty right now 11:25:20 <MeusH_> Ekran(MasterMindMidlet mmm) { 11:25:20 <MeusH_> 11:25:20 <MeusH_> } 11:25:42 <mIGu> kinnaz: if you have the source code, open economy.c, go to line 1151 and change digit 2 to u 11:25:43 <RichK67> hmm... off work sick atm... id love to be in work for one thing... they have full climate con :) 11:25:53 <mIGu> recompile and it should run fine 11:26:29 <kinnaz> if the fix is so easy why there isn't rc2 released ? 11:26:33 <mIGu> (t = DistanceManhattan(ind->xy, xy)) < u) { 11:26:38 <mIGu> that's what the line should look like 11:26:47 <kinnaz> i anyway don't have src 11:26:49 <kinnaz> or compiler.. 11:27:00 <mIGu> kinnaz: maybe they are fixing other bugs too 11:27:55 <RichK67> maybe a lot of us are on hols ;) 11:30:00 <TheMask96> hmm do openttd devs have holidays? ;) 11:30:25 <vondel> of course 11:30:30 <MeusH_> surely they do 11:30:30 <vondel> good time for them to code 11:30:35 <MeusH_> like Darkvater 11:30:56 <MeusH_> blathijs: can I ask you for help once more? 11:30:57 <TheMask96> yes... but Darkvater has 24/7 holiday right? ;) 11:31:09 <MeusH_> cannot resolve symbol 11:31:09 <MeusH_> [wtkbuild] symbol : variable mmm 11:31:09 <MeusH_> [wtkbuild] location: class mastermind.Ekran 11:31:09 <MeusH_> [wtkbuild] j = this.mmm.getObecneMenu(); 11:31:14 <RichK67> hmm... true... my first version of TerraGenesis Perlin was written in the Highlands of Scotland on hols 11:31:37 <MeusH_> I'm afraid this may be because empty constructor 11:31:37 <MeusH_> Ekran(MasterMindMidlet mmm) { 11:31:38 <MeusH_> 11:31:38 <MeusH_> } 11:32:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm afraid you have absolutely no idea what you are doing 11:32:59 <MeusH_> well I have a small idea of what I'm doing 11:33:00 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 11:33:11 <MeusH_> or I know 11:33:12 <MeusH_> wait 11:33:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> you need to declare a variable called mmm in the this-context 11:33:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> and inside the constructor, you do this.mmm = mmm; 11:33:48 <MeusH_> MasterMindMidlet mmm; 11:33:48 <MeusH_> 11:33:48 <MeusH_> Ekran(MasterMindMidlet foobar) { 11:33:48 <MeusH_> mmm = foobar; 11:33:48 <MeusH_> } 11:33:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> or like that, yes 11:34:05 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:34:16 <MeusH_> thanks MeusH, now I can have my nickname back 11:34:18 *** MeusH_ is now known as MeusH 11:36:38 <MeusH> It compiled without errors \o/ 11:36:48 <MeusH> but emulator gives errors :( 11:39:10 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:39:39 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:40:44 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:47:07 <MeusH> well it works 11:47:12 <MeusH> thank you guys 11:47:15 <MeusH> thank you so much 11:47:19 <MeusH> you're so guru :) 11:47:34 <MeusH> brb, dinner 11:50:42 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:51:48 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5BE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:56 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:05:23 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-87-102-33-142.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:13:06 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["/quit"] 12:16:41 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:23:37 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@3e6b6861.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 12:24:49 <MeusH> is it possible in java to.. hmm... use function to return a name, that can be used like 12:24:49 <MeusH> i = foo./getName(j)/.bar; assuming there are foo.1.bar, foo.2.bar, foo.3.bar? 12:25:59 <MeusH> or it is recommended to use switch(j)...case? 12:29:56 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:30:17 <Rubidium> yes, it is with reflection (java.lang.reflect.Method), but it is slow and pretty error prone to do so; try to avoid it 12:31:06 <blathijs> MeusH: you should probably use an array there I think? 12:34:13 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:35:22 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B77CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 12:36:07 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 12:39:12 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:39:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:32 <MeusH> Rubidium: what do you suggest, then? To use switch..case? 12:47:42 <MeusH> blathijs: array of method names? 12:47:56 <Rubidium> depends on the exact circumstances 12:48:46 <MeusH> there are several objects of each class, and I'd like to use one of object's method. Now, which objects, depends on some value, like j 12:48:59 <MeusH> but I think switch..case would be allright, too 12:48:59 <Rubidium> and what you exactly want to make; it could be that you have made a wrong design decision 12:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think he means, instead of foo.1.bar, foo.2.bar, use foo[1].bar, foo[2].bar 12:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can easily use foo[j].bar 12:50:32 <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause: it looks like if foo is an array 12:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> was that a complete sentence? 12:52:03 <MeusH> that's it 12:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably mean s/if/that 12:52:51 <MeusH> maybye... but I saw people using that construction 12:52:55 <MeusH> maybye they were wrong 12:52:56 <MeusH> nevermind 12:53:10 <MeusH> well, I'll make a switch..case, it will be simple. It would be just several lines of code more, but who would care about these lines? 12:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but like Rubidium said... you either use the wrong concept, or you use the concept wrong... 12:55:21 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:55:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the line "foo[j].bar" should do the trick 12:58:52 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 12:58:55 <MeusH> should foo be an array of names like {"foo.primary", "foo.secondary", "foo.theother"}, or {".primary", ".secondary", ".theother"}, or without dots? 12:59:48 *** scuanor [i=Scuanor@e176127007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:59:59 <scuanor> hello :) 13:00:02 <MeusH> hello 13:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> no, foo should contain references to the objects you are trying to reach 13:00:09 <Rubidium> MeusH: please sketch what the problem is you want to solve, and that is not 'accessing' a specific variable, but at a higher level of abstraction 13:00:32 <Rubidium> because I really think you have made a bad design decision 13:03:17 <MeusH> okay, here are two scenarios 13:03:23 <MeusH> one is the current one, which is big 13:03:24 <MeusH> public int getCurrentNumber() { 13:03:24 <MeusH> switch (currentmenu) { 13:03:24 <MeusH> case M_MAIN: 13:03:24 <MeusH> return main.getNumber(); 13:03:24 <MeusH> break; 13:03:26 <MeusH> /*case M_WIN: 13:03:28 <MeusH> return win.getNumber(); 13:03:30 <MeusH> break; 13:03:32 <MeusH> case M_LOSS: 13:03:34 <MeusH> return loss.getNumber(); 13:03:36 <MeusH> break; 13:03:38 <MeusH> and so on... 13:03:40 <MeusH> 13:03:42 <MeusH> System.out.println(getCurrentNumber); 13:03:44 <MeusH> there is also the other one: 13:03:46 <MeusH> System.out.println(/NameOfCurrentMenu/.getNumber()); 13:04:02 <MeusH> and I'm asking if there is any way to put a $variable into the code, like before .getNumber()? 13:06:03 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-176-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:31 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, instead of making currentmenu some kind of enum, make it references to the actual objects 13:06:35 <Rubidium> I think you should ditch the currentmenu as an int and make it an interface with the 'getNumber' function, which both main, win and loss have to implement 13:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have a line currentmenu = win 13:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause> or something 13:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and then you just do currentmenu.getNumber() 13:06:58 <MeusH> see: 13:06:58 <MeusH> String names[] = {"main", "win", "loss"} 13:06:58 <MeusH> System.out.println(/names[currentmenu]/.getNumber()); 13:07:03 <MeusH> something like that 13:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> not strings 13:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> currentmenu of type Menu 13:07:29 *** Qball [n=qball@213.10.65.37] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:07:52 <MeusH> Menu names[] = {"main"... and so on? 13:08:14 <MeusH> Rubidium: Menu is a class, and all main, win and loss have the 'getNumber' function 13:09:55 <Rubidium> MeusH: I guess you know very little about Object Orientation and interfaces, inheritance and abstract classes; I would suggest you to familiarize with those concepts and then you'll see how you can solve your problem pretty nice 13:12:26 <Rubidium> MeusH, read for example: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/java/index.html 13:12:30 <MeusH> okay, I'll read more about -interfaces -inheritance -abstract 13:12:38 <MeusH> do you think I'll find the answer there? 13:12:52 <MeusH> or I'll read it and come back here to ask for answer? ;) 13:13:27 <Rubidium> I hope the first, but you won't find a copy-n-paste answer though 13:13:36 <MeusH> :D I have a 1113-page book on java 13:13:39 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8081F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 13:14:31 <MeusH> there is a lot of text on that topics, too 13:15:30 <MeusH> I have already known inheritance 13:15:35 <MeusH> by the way, I coded a lot in Delphi 13:15:35 <Rubidium> though about 1100 pages of that book will talk about the API of java and not the Object Orientation Design principles 13:15:42 <MeusH> so it won't be THAT hard, I hope 13:15:48 <Belugas> MeusH, it is not entirely about java that Rubidium is speaking. It is mainly about learning what Object Oriented programming is all about 13:16:34 <Belugas> Delphi uses OOP, C++ too... it is not strickly Java 13:16:48 <Rubidium> and I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming has some nice information too 13:17:02 <hylje> php and python are OOP somewhat 13:17:10 <MeusH> thanks a lot 13:17:15 <hylje> yw 13:17:17 <Rubidium> but in C++ you can ditch _all_ the classes etc and write programs as you did in C, with Java that is almost impossible 13:17:35 <MeusH> I read about interfaces this morning, but all I can think about them (yet) is their similiarity to .h files of C language 13:19:06 <MeusH> and I don't see any usablity of it besides some kind of indexing 13:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you will find that a lot of concepts in programming languages are very similar to each other ;) 13:19:57 <Eddi|zuHause> but, what you are using that for now would be polymorphic variables 13:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a variable currentmenu of type Menu, and to that you do not assign the name of the menu, but the entire menu itself 13:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as the menu you want to assign is a subclass of the class or interface Menu 13:22:27 <MeusH> Eddi: good point 13:22:46 <MeusH> you formed my ideas with letters 13:24:22 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-176-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:24:41 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:25:34 <MeusH> Menu current; 13:25:34 <MeusH> switch (currentmenu) { 13:25:34 <MeusH> case M_MAIN: 13:25:34 <MeusH> current = main; 13:25:34 <MeusH> break; 13:25:35 <MeusH> case M_WIN: 13:25:37 <MeusH> current = win; 13:25:39 <MeusH> break; 13:25:41 <MeusH> case M_LOSS: 13:25:43 <MeusH> current = loss; 13:25:45 <MeusH> break; 13:25:47 <MeusH> ... 13:25:49 <MeusH> 13:25:51 <MeusH> System.out.println(current.getNumber()); 13:25:55 <MeusH> 13:25:57 <MeusH> something like that, guys? 13:26:59 <Rubidium> well, it might be better to make currentmenu of the type Menu, so you can do currentmenu.getNumber() 13:27:19 <Rubidium> but that requires some refactoring in the rest of your application 13:28:22 <MeusH> currentmenu is an integer 13:28:30 *** scuanor [i=Scuanor@e176127007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 13:28:33 <MeusH> it is like index of current menu 13:29:01 <MeusH> so, let's say, user clicks on "help". Then current menu is M_HELP, which is let's say 5 13:29:22 <Rubidium> yes, but the Help menu is of the class Menu, right? 13:29:28 <MeusH> yes 13:29:33 <MeusH> hmm you may be so much right 13:30:09 <MeusH> so by changing currentmenu to Menu instead of int, I'll get rid of one variable, and make code more usable 13:30:32 <Rubidium> yes 13:31:14 <MeusH> \o/ 13:34:32 <MeusH> it works 13:35:00 <MeusH> I read all chapters about these topics, but I can fully understand it just because of you 13:35:01 <MeusH> thanks 13:35:41 <peter1138> heh 13:38:00 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B8057B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:40 <Belugas> 6502 13:38:53 <Belugas> oups, sorry.... this is not a search engine ;) 13:38:57 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:36 <Rubidium> Belugas: just rephrase it and you might get a lot of results :) 13:40:01 *** kinnaz_ [i=kinnaz@hardcore.life.ee] has joined #openttd 13:40:02 *** kinnaz [i=kinnaz@hardcore.life.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:40:08 <RichK67> hi belugsa... did you look at the code i sent? 13:40:15 <RichK67> belugsa/belugas 13:40:20 <RichK67> :) 13:42:54 <Belugas> i have not received it RichK67 13:43:35 <Belugas> Rubidium, wiki has giving me al i needed to know, and even more :) 13:43:56 <RichK67> ah 13:44:01 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:02 <Belugas> RichK67, try DCC, please 13:44:13 <Belugas> now that you are online ;) 13:44:46 <peter1138> the helidepot fix? 13:44:51 <Belugas> yes 13:44:54 <RichK67> yeah 13:45:11 <RichK67> about 8 lines in the end 13:45:42 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-87-102-33-142.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:47:17 <RichK67> http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/aircraft_depot_fix.patch 13:47:34 <Sacro> RichK67: thanks 13:47:36 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:47:46 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8081F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:48:11 <RichK67> http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/Luburg%20Transport,%207th%20Feb%202013.png 13:48:21 *** Qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:48:34 <Sacro> RichK67: whats changed? 13:49:08 <RichK67> look at the list of aircraft - no fixed wings listed at a helidepot 13:49:53 <RichK67> peter? commit it? 13:50:00 <Sacro> ooh yes, how clover 13:50:03 <Sacro> *clever 13:50:06 <peter1138> can't look 13:50:10 <Belugas> hold your horses... will you ? 13:50:47 <RichK67> im asking if its ok, not instructing him to do it... 13:51:15 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:55:35 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@pool-71-98-70-28.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:09 <Sacro> hmm, is his name Dale, or Stan, or both...or maybe neither 13:58:06 <hylje> StanDale 13:58:25 <MeusH> DaanStle 13:58:29 <MeusH> StleDaan 13:58:42 <MeusH> EladNast 13:59:11 <lws1984> howdy Dale 13:59:11 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:31 <Sacro> MeusH: like the last one 14:00:16 <MeusH> pretty strange :) 14:00:47 <Sacro> :O smilies in IRC 14:00:58 <hylje> :O 14:02:54 <MeusH> :-B 14:05:42 <Sacro> :P 14:06:52 *** Sacro [n=Sacro@adsl-87-102-33-142.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 14:07:32 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["leaving"] 14:08:13 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 14:12:32 *** k-man [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has joined #openttd 14:12:41 <k-man> how does one go about converting to monorail? 14:12:48 <k-man> it looks like a painful process 14:12:53 <ems> it is 14:13:54 <MeusH> converting tracks isn't difficult 14:13:59 <MeusH> but converting trains is painful 14:14:20 <k-man> yeah 14:14:22 <MeusH> hopefully, some people are working on easier replacing trains 14:14:24 <MeusH> like Bjarni 14:14:25 <k-man> is there an easy way to convert them? 14:14:32 <MeusH> and someone else, whose name I forgot 14:14:33 <hylje> 1. do parallel tracks for larger traffic routes 14:14:36 <k-man> yeah, i read about something like that somewhere 14:14:46 <hylje> 2. start converting a branch at a time 14:14:58 <ems> or 14:15:06 <MeusH> k-man: send trains to depots. Build a monorail depot next to standard one 14:15:08 <ems> simply call in all your trains 14:15:29 <k-man> but how do you call in the trains? 14:15:31 <k-man> i have lots of trains 14:15:44 <MeusH> then you have to... 14:16:04 <MeusH> remove one train, build the other one in the other depot 14:16:17 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 14:16:28 <k-man> meush, god that sounds horrid 14:16:32 <MeusH> the only good thing is that orders will be the same 14:16:45 <MeusH> yeah, that's evil 14:17:03 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:17:26 <k-man> how will the orders be the same? 14:17:30 <k-man> i didn't follow that bit 14:17:36 <hylje> well 14:17:43 <MeusH> you remove a train 14:17:50 <MeusH> but it's orders will stay in the memory 14:17:50 <ems> k-man: it is magic ;) 14:17:58 <MeusH> and will be assigned to any next train you build 14:17:58 <k-man> oh, i see 14:18:05 <k-man> right 14:18:06 <k-man> i see 14:18:50 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 14:20:04 <eQualizer> Why doesn't one my competitors do a bankrupt? It haven't done any profit in 40 years, but it still won 14:20:11 <eQualizer> 't do a bankrupt. 14:21:50 <peter1138> "do a bankrupt"? 14:21:59 <peter1138> normally you "go" bankrupt 14:22:08 <eQualizer> Okay. 14:22:16 <RichK67> french? 14:22:21 <peter1138> and no profit at all?hmm 14:22:26 <eQualizer> Finnish 14:22:28 <ln-> finnish 14:22:47 <peter1138> heh 14:22:53 <peter1138> "Roads melt as temperatures soar" 14:23:05 <hylje> :D 14:23:10 <RichK67> ah... i was thinking of something like "il ne fait pas un bankruptcie" ... 14:24:44 <RichK67> lol - heatwave, and im off sick with a classic "winter" chest infection :) 14:24:52 <peter1138> nice one 14:25:25 <RichK67> its a bitch though... nasty rasping hacking cough... hurts every time 14:25:30 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:25:49 <RichK67> and dont make me laugh... that hurts more 14:26:34 <hylje> D: 14:26:59 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:03 <k-man> what do i need to do to make the nightly work with debian? 14:31:17 <k-man> its not finding my saved games directory 14:31:20 <k-man> and config file 14:31:28 <RichK67> better mojo 14:32:52 <peter1138> mr mojo rising 14:33:43 <peter1138> -g +' 14:34:40 <k-man> but it doesn't seem to find the right directories 14:34:44 <k-man> bah 14:35:14 <k-man> are they hard coded at compile time 14:35:15 <k-man> ? 14:35:33 <k-man> is it hard to build? 14:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean harder than typing "make"? 14:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> rarely :) 14:48:12 <k-man> im trying to build the debian package 14:56:53 <k-man> ah 14:56:55 <k-man> it worked 14:56:59 <k-man> that was relatively painless 15:00:17 <k-man> so which button do i click to send all trains to depots? 15:00:57 <MeusH> I'm afraid you won't click it 15:01:02 <MeusH> because the button doesn't exist 15:01:07 <MeusH> someone made a patch, however 15:01:16 <ems> any short cut to close all open windows? 15:01:17 <MeusH> that created a button to send all trains to depot 15:01:21 <MeusH> del 15:01:23 <MeusH> delete 15:01:41 <MeusH> it will close non-sticyfied widows 15:01:50 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181111050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 15:02:06 <MeusH> shift+delete (correct me if I'm wrong) will shut down also stickyfied windows 15:02:45 <ems> oh cool 15:03:05 <k-man> i can't do it 15:03:10 <k-man> its too hard 15:03:17 <k-man> to convert to monorail 15:03:22 <k-man> much too hard 15:03:33 <k-man> much too much clicking involved 15:04:01 <k-man> i have 122 trains 15:04:17 <k-man> thats at least 2 clicks per train 15:04:25 <peter1138> don't do it then 15:04:28 <k-man> thas 243 clicks too many 15:04:31 <k-man> but i have to 15:04:36 <k-man> i can't build trains any more 15:04:37 <peter1138> i usually just build an improved network 15:04:41 <k-man> as they are obsolete 15:04:41 <peter1138> heh 15:04:51 <k-man> oh 15:04:53 <k-man> i see 15:04:55 <k-man> not a bad idea 15:06:44 <k-man> i saw a patch somewhere to convert trains to differnt types 15:07:08 <k-man> anyway 15:07:09 <k-man> its late 15:07:12 <k-man> im off ot bed 15:07:14 <k-man> night all 15:08:59 <MeusH> goodnight 15:15:25 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 15:45:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:46:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77CD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:49 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 15:53:30 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:03:06 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:05:00 <MeusH> hey Brianetta 16:05:10 <Brianetta> hi there 16:05:21 <RichK67> hi brianetta 16:05:26 <Brianetta> hi there 16:05:54 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:06:50 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@69.0.81.119] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:06:59 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:07:08 <RichK67> re hi 16:07:15 <Brianetta> hm /: 16:07:46 <Brianetta> /msg autopilot companies 16:08:02 <Brianetta> Won't work unless you can receive messages from unregistered types 16:09:10 <RichK67> lol - dont you just love freenode eh ;) 16:09:17 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:24 <Brianetta> no 16:09:45 <Brianetta> I'm only here because people insist on setting up camp here 16:11:07 <RichK67> yeah - ive lost count of the number of times it starts a private message window, but the other person cant hear me cos ive not re-identified myself (yet again) 16:11:32 <Brianetta> What else is a pest 16:11:45 <Brianetta> You can't change nick on ##Linux if you'r enot registered 16:11:59 <Brianetta> which is an arse if you're trying to change to your registered nick 16:13:03 <Brianetta> Not only that, but some of the automatic channel forwards (like #Linux) forward you to a channel telling you you're not registered, then you can't change your nick 16:13:12 <Brianetta> until you realise that the channel in question is the cause of the problem 16:13:50 <Brianetta> Basically, I despise this network 16:13:50 <coppercore> i think the only guy who could get the offical #linux channel would be linus himself no? 16:13:57 <Brianetta> and the guy who thunk it up. 16:14:09 <Brianetta> coppercore: Not quite 16:14:47 <Brianetta> Even efnet's better. 16:16:41 <coppercore> Eris Fuckedup net? 16:18:13 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C5B8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:20:36 <RichK67> btw brianetta - next game, can you do a more interesting terrain... anything but those TTO jaggy block mountains!! :) 16:21:03 <ems> http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Ships 16:21:08 <ems> is that all the ships? 16:22:01 <Brianetta> Get TGP committed and it won't be an issue. 16:22:24 *** gpsoft [n=gaal@mirka.ynet.sk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:22:47 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:23:12 <Rens2Sea> hello :o 16:23:31 <RichK67> brianetta: wow... look... low flying pigs ;) 16:23:48 <Brianetta> Police helicopters? 16:24:02 <RichK67> :p 16:24:32 <MeusH> hello Rens2Sea 16:24:39 <Rens2Sea> o/ 16:24:41 <MeusH> RichK67: how's the progress on TGP? 16:24:46 <MeusH> and Snow In Temperate patch? 16:24:48 <RichK67> "pigs might fly" ... TGP could make trunk, and is being cleaned up at the mo... maybe by end of month 16:24:56 <RichK67> Snow in Temp is MiniIN only 16:25:37 <MeusH> you don't sound so optimistic 16:25:55 <RichK67> we've identified some issues with other bits of terrain generation... making the land is the easy bit 16:26:37 <MeusH> like industry placement? 16:26:40 <RichK67> MeusH: jaded... it just takes soooo long... even for a feature *everyone* wants... 16:27:14 <RichK67> yeah... but its things like TileLoop getting called that slows it down... spends about 30% of time in TileLoop! 16:28:40 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 16:32:27 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C5B8.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:33:49 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:34:02 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 16:34:03 *** gpsoft [n=gaal@mirka.ynet.sk] has joined #openttd 16:36:49 <ems> http://wiki.openttd.com/index.php/Ships 16:36:49 <ems> is that all the ships? 16:37:36 <RichK67> same as in original TT, yes 16:41:13 <ems> that sucks 16:41:25 <ems> what about faster ships 16:41:30 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:41:40 <ems> ships for mail !? 16:42:04 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:42:21 *** jonty_comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:44:29 <RichK67> ships are very neglected in TT (all flavours) ... even the newshipsw.grf is limited 16:44:49 <RichK67> i would love to see hydrofoils, hi speed catamarans, etc. 16:44:49 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:45:02 <MeusH> we can wait for Celestar's OpenTTD cleanup and 32bpp which will come with new vehicles 16:46:30 <RichK67> i saw some sea trials about 20yrs ago of a seacat... 40knots with a load of 100+ cars 16:47:40 *** coppertop [n=copperto@dpc691918215.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:15 *** ammler [n=marcel@229.240.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 16:48:51 <ems> MeusH: when will that be? 16:49:38 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 16:49:45 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:50 <RichK67> during the 21st century ;) 16:49:59 <ems> oh come on 16:50:37 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-210-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:47 <RichK67> 32bpp has no definitive timed plan for completion... so "sometime" is as accurate as anyone (including the dev) can be 16:50:57 <RichK67> AFAIK 16:52:21 <MeusH> ems: past 0.5.0 or 0.6.0 16:52:23 <MeusH> let me checkl 16:52:26 <MeusH> ckech 16:52:30 <MeusH> check* 16:55:56 <MeusH> well, wiki says balancing will be in 0.7.0, but many people, including Celestar, mentioned about rebalancing sooner 16:57:32 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [] 17:00:41 <peter1138> it's a question of perspective 17:00:54 <peter1138> i might be releasing later instead of rebalancing sooner 17:01:11 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 17:01:57 <Wolf01> hi all 17:03:16 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945141.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:32 <MeusH> hi 17:06:06 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D608.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:48 <ln-> it's tron. 17:10:35 <RichK67> lo tron... is that aircraft depot patch ok? 17:10:36 <ammler> Hello 17:10:43 <ammler> Im looking for euroadstw.grf 17:10:54 <Tron> RichK67: i just wrote you an answer, should be there any minute 17:11:05 <RichK67> okies - ta 17:11:19 <ammler> Is there a index with all available GRF's? 17:11:20 <MeusH> hello Tron 17:11:32 <MeusH> grfcrawler 17:11:57 <MeusH> grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 17:12:03 <ammler> thx a lot 17:12:32 <RichK67> hmm 17:12:46 <ammler> what's the diff between dos and win versions? 17:13:03 <glx> mainly palette 17:13:23 <ammler> should take win version for openttd? 17:13:55 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181111050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:14:09 <peter1138> yes 17:14:56 <ammler> thx 17:20:27 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 17:25:50 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:28:19 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181111050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 17:28:38 *** Morlark [n=Sean@host86-132-157-208.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:29:47 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 17:43:45 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:32 <ems> WTF 17:50:47 <Sacro> FTW? 17:50:56 <ems> no more than 2 airports per city? 17:51:20 <ems> I have a oil station 200 blocks away from the city 17:51:28 <ems> I want to build a helipad 17:51:34 <ems> but it wont allow me 17:51:41 <Sacro> heh 17:51:48 <ems> saying local authority doesn't allow 17:51:50 <Sacro> 2 stations, 3 heliports AFAIK 17:52:04 <ems> Sacro: I don't have any heliports 17:52:15 <ems> my airports are intercont. 17:52:19 <Sacro> hmm, dunno, i dont use planes 17:52:37 <ems> MeusH: hi 17:52:56 <MeusH> hi ems 17:53:08 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181111050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:53:33 <Sacro> :o MeusH 17:54:10 <ems> MeusH: any idea? 17:54:59 <MeusH> recode 17:55:09 <MeusH> Rebalancing is coming 17:55:28 <MeusH> I hate this limitation, too 17:55:40 <MeusH> there should be a limit of two airports 17:55:50 <ems> fuck 17:55:52 <ems> this sucks 17:55:55 *** egladil_ibook [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:59 <MeusH> but a limit of air vehicle structures should be 3 or 4 IMO 17:56:09 <ems> any patches? 17:56:19 <MeusH> possible. in the future 17:56:33 <ems> nothing today 17:56:36 <ems> this sucks 17:56:43 <MeusH> then you must wait a long time so one dev commits it 17:56:53 <MeusH> unless the developer really wants that feature 17:57:03 <ems> okay 17:57:08 <MeusH> or, you ask all developers about their view on the patch 17:57:13 <MeusH> if it is usable 17:57:20 <MeusH> and the code is written properly 17:57:25 <MeusH> if ALL devs accept 17:57:29 <MeusH> persuade one to commit 17:57:59 *** egladil [n=egladil@h31n3fls301o1035.telia.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:58:05 *** egladil_ibook is now known as egladil 17:59:08 <CIA-8> miham * r5515 /trunk/lang/ (slovak.txt unfinished/bulgarian.txt): 17:59:08 <CIA-8> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-18 19:58:50 17:59:08 <CIA-8> bulgarian - 62 fixed by quicksilverbg (62) 17:59:08 <CIA-8> slovak - 19 changed by lengyel (19) 17:59:09 <MiHaMiX> hmm 17:59:13 <MiHaMiX> just in time :) 17:59:44 *** ruby [i=impe20@210.4.15.189] has joined #openttd 18:00:01 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N stats: 94% - 4322 bad strings out of 76212 strings 18:00:44 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: heh, but your supposed to not commet between 17:45 - 18:15 UTC AFAIK 18:01:12 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: well, i'm supposed to commit BEFORE the nightly builds :) 18:01:33 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: and I was in a bit late, yes, but I managed to commit BEFORE the nightly build process started up 18:01:36 <Sacro> MiHaMiX: but 17:59 is cutting it a bit close :P 18:02:03 <MiHaMiX> Sacro: I checked it before, since my server creates the nightly builds, so I can check the clock on that.. 18:03:50 <Sacro> i really should tell cron to do that for me 18:06:08 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:12 *** ammler [n=marcel@229.240.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:06:31 <ems> what does transfer do? 18:06:39 <ems> does it do what I think it does? 18:07:46 <ems> unload the item to be transfer by another vehicle to where it is accepted? 18:07:58 <Zavior> Wiki has great page about this 18:08:26 <Zavior> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Transfer_order%2C_setting_up_feeder_systems 18:08:59 <ems> yes I am reading it 18:09:02 <ems> nice 18:11:34 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:13:26 <ruby> ei guys... what GRF do u use with ur ottd??im planning on adding some... do you have some suggestions? 18:16:16 *** ruby [i=impe20@210.4.15.189] has quit [] 18:16:27 *** ruby [i=impe20@210.4.15.189] has joined #openttd 18:16:42 <ruby> ?? 18:18:24 <Sacro> ruby: UKRS, loads of newstations 18:20:23 <ruby> tnx... but i read that it is already included in ottd?? or do i have to download it and add the line to my cfg file?? 18:21:27 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:21:41 <Sacro> download and add 18:21:58 <ruby> ok... 18:22:03 <ruby> tnx 18:24:15 <Brianetta> Where did you read that it was included? 18:24:24 <Brianetta> We should be setting out to correct misinformation 18:24:58 <ruby> i think in the manual... or maybe i just misread it... 18:25:01 <ruby> sori... 18:25:07 <Brianetta> no problem 18:26:41 *** _fr34k_ [n=robertwo@Waa34.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:42 <Zavior> I hope those newstations and such will come with ottd installer someday.. 18:27:07 <_fr34k_> hey here i am again :] and i joined the sandbox server :) 18:28:26 <peter1138> an ottd installer? 18:28:27 <peter1138> huh? 18:29:27 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:29:29 <Zavior> One that would include all files necessary to play :c 18:29:35 <Sacro> peter1138: the windows installer i reckon 18:30:03 <Sacro> Zavior: a lot of them dont allow distribution in their licences 18:30:18 <Zavior> Guess that is the problem 18:30:31 <Zavior> I did read the conversation about it 18:30:36 <Zavior> When it took place here 18:31:13 <Brianetta> Sacro: Many of them don't even show a license 18:31:14 <peter1138> downloading a grf, and putting it in a config file 18:31:19 <peter1138> not actually that hard, is it? 18:31:22 <Brianetta> meaning there isn't anything at all you can do with them 18:31:27 <Sacro> hmm, thats true 18:31:40 <Zavior> peter1138, no, not at all 18:31:41 <Sacro> peter1138: is under windows, because its usually not associated with any app 18:31:50 <peter1138> associated? 18:31:59 <peter1138> just as well, as it's not a document 18:32:08 <Brianetta> peter1138: I'm considering a PHP script with a form, that generates an openttd.cfg to spec. 18:32:42 <peter1138> any automated thing wouldn't understand any grf parameters 18:33:11 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:33:16 <Brianetta> *I* don't understand any grf parameters! 18:33:49 <peter1138> you are able to read a readme with a description 18:33:49 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8057B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:27 <Brianetta> I am. I just don't know how to apply parameters. They use different config files and everything in that game that the readmes tend to be written for, 18:34:30 <Brianetta> . 18:35:24 <peter1138> foo.grf=param,param 18:35:28 <peter1138> same format 18:35:32 <Brianetta> oh 18:35:48 <Brianetta> do they have to match for network games? 18:36:04 <peter1138> as always, it depends 18:36:07 <peter1138> yes, mostly 18:36:13 <peter1138> but if it's just graphics... 18:36:28 <Brianetta> ah. The game isn't clever enough to share parameters, even if it can't share the grf files. 18:36:34 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 18:36:47 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:37:03 <peter1138> it doesn't share anything, yet 18:37:09 <peter1138> it will 18:37:24 <Brianetta> It shares patch settings 18:37:31 <peter1138> ok 18:37:35 <peter1138> it doesn't share anything newgrf, yet 18:37:42 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:37:44 <peter1138> obviously it shares the map too 18:37:48 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-115.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:38:10 * Sacro crys 18:38:57 <peter1138> wherefore dost though criest? 18:39:01 <peter1138> err 18:39:02 <peter1138> thou 18:39:36 * Brianetta breaks Sacro's train set 18:40:04 <Sacro> because im finally sorting myself out, embarking on BSc Computing, and i dont have a computer in which to work :'( 18:41:03 <peter1138> erk 18:41:16 <XeryusTC> Sacro: humans dont need a computer to work in... 18:42:08 *** Guest62753 is now known as fusion 18:59:46 *** ruby [i=impe20@210.4.15.189] has quit [] 19:02:36 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:07:13 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:08:15 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E809.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:13:32 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-211-139.pth-as4.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:46 <publunch> miaow 19:13:46 <_fr34k_> #openttdcoop 19:14:13 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:46 *** ammler [n=marcel@229.240.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:19:36 *** gigajum [i=LucY@dslb-084-056-142-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:48 <Sacro_> gigajum: LuCY? 19:21:01 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:21:09 <gigajum> Sacro_? 19:21:41 <Sacro_> gigajum: your name 19:21:44 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 19:21:51 <gigajum> lol no 19:22:25 <gigajum> only set so 19:24:05 <Sacro> hmm 19:25:06 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:25:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:25:36 *** TerminatorSkyNE [i=Terminat@203.27.184.12] has joined #openttd 19:25:41 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:10 <TerminatorSkyNE> how do u install .patch filez 19:27:42 <Tron> use proper english 19:28:41 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:29:06 <Bjarni> TerminatorSkyNE: you patch the source and then you compile it 19:30:52 <ems> would adding stuff from http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/index.php?do=list&cid=101 give me more vehicels 19:31:08 <ems> vehicles sorry 19:32:31 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:33:10 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:33:26 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:35:17 <peter1138> not more vehicles 19:35:20 <peter1138> just different vehicles 19:35:47 <ems> look different? 19:35:55 <ems> or different stats? 19:37:04 <MeusH> ems: it dependds on the grf, but most of these allow you to play with vehicles with different look and stats 19:37:26 <ems> umm okay 19:38:42 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B8057B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:39:22 *** jonty_comp [i=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:39:36 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-186-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:48:41 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B8057B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:49:00 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 19:49:19 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:52:32 *** TerminatorSkyNE [i=Terminat@203.27.184.12] has quit [] 19:53:43 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E809.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 19:53:50 *** tokai|odw is now known as tokai 19:54:48 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 19:58:31 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:03:56 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:02 <MeusH> shit 20:04:14 <MeusH> that mail was bad 20:04:37 <MiHaMiX> hmm 20:05:21 <RichK67> :) i feel great... no heavy anngst burden :) 20:06:02 <MiHaMiX> hmm 20:06:33 <MiHaMiX> RichK67: if you get mass support from the other devs will you continue TGP? 20:06:38 <RichK67> its been getting oppressive... 20:06:49 <RichK67> no... i need big break to do my own thing 20:07:08 <RichK67> not jump through hoops 20:07:55 * peter1138 has an idea 20:08:02 <peter1138> it's quite radiacl 20:08:03 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: let us hear? 20:08:04 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-211-139.pth-as4.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:08:05 <peter1138> and radical 20:08:12 <MiHaMiX> s/\?// 20:08:21 <peter1138> i'm going to go home before midnight 20:08:25 <RichK67> getting new airports ready was 6 weeks of hell... and then 3 weeks later, over trivia, tron threatens removal... stuff it... i cant be done with that 20:08:34 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: you've plenty of time until then :D 20:08:51 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: yeah, but i didn't last night... or on saturday... or friday... or... 20:09:03 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: ugh... go home asap 20:09:25 <Belugas> think of bringing flowers to your missus on your way home ;) 20:09:27 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: why were you at workplace on saturday for the first place? 20:09:30 <MeusH> peter1138: so what's your idea 20:09:43 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: [[22:09]] <peter1138> i'm going to go home before midnight 20:09:49 <MeusH> oh 20:09:53 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: sorting out critical stuff 20:10:04 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: :-( 20:10:17 <MeusH> that has no relation to the topic 20:10:32 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-216-96.pth-as9.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:36 <MeusH> RichK67: what if someone else takes the code and bugs devs to take a look at it and approve? 20:10:47 <RichK67> good luck 20:11:01 <RichK67> off you go, best wishes, etc... :) 20:11:01 <MeusH> allright 20:11:13 <RichK67> ill prepare the coffin now, or later? 20:11:15 <MeusH> Noldo, I won't 20:11:17 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: and that is the reason for my lack of contribution to this little project for a while 20:11:21 <MeusH> Noldo, I won't* 20:11:32 <MeusH> Man 20:11:37 <MeusH> Noldo, I won't* 20:11:47 <peter1138> haha 20:11:47 <MeusH> what the hell's name is that? 20:11:48 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: no, you won't, we already know it :DDDDDDDD 20:11:54 <MeusH> what the fuck is Noldo? 20:11:59 <MeusH> No 20:12:01 <MeusH> No, 20:12:03 <MeusH> Noldo, I 20:12:08 <MeusH> , I 20:12:13 <MeusH> Oak, I 20:12:20 <MeusH> YOU SICK FUCKS 20:12:24 <MeusH> what are you doing? 20:12:30 *** MeusH was kicked from #openttd by MiHaMiX [??] 20:12:58 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:13:29 <MeusH> your games don't make me happy 20:13:35 <peter1138> so yeah 20:13:39 <peter1138> back to reality meush 20:13:49 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:14:15 <MeusH> I don 20:14:22 <MeusH> No I don't talk random 20:14:31 <MeusH> Noldo random!!! 20:14:36 <MeusH> man 20:14:46 <hylje> i talk /b/ sometimes 20:14:50 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: forget about your Tab key.... 20:15:01 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: don't hit Tab after typing 'No' 20:15:09 <peter1138> it's probably picking up the ", " 20:15:16 <peter1138> xchat does that 20:15:18 <MeusH> Noldo, I don't 20:15:20 <MiHaMiX> lol :D 20:15:23 <MeusH> No; I don't 20:15:28 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: use a _real_ client :DD 20:15:32 <MiHaMiX> MeusH: like irssi :) 20:15:32 <peter1138> yeah, telnet :D 20:15:38 <MeusH> that's embarassing 20:15:50 <MeusH> I thought you make some kind of jokes 20:15:50 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: i can chat with telnet, though, tiring 20:15:52 <RichK67> cool - so thats how you guys type the names so quick 20:15:57 <RichK67> i didnt know 20:16:01 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: I have to answer personally to every PING :) 20:16:10 <peter1138> MiHaMiX: ho-yus 20:16:14 <peter1138> oh yes, i was going home 20:16:16 <MiHaMiX> RichK67: I type yours R<Tab> :) 20:16:17 <peter1138> hmm, flowers... 20:16:17 <MeusH> Belugas, or not to be 20:16:20 <MeusH> lol 20:16:25 <peter1138> bai 20:16:27 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: don't forget the flowers 20:16:51 <Belugas> yeah... important... Mihamix followed that advise once, and thanked me ;) 20:16:57 <RichK67> MiHaMiX: cool :) 20:17:09 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 20:18:07 <MiHaMiX> RichK67: and if there are multiple users with 'R' as first char i hit the tab multiple times.. 20:18:45 <RichK67> cool 20:18:55 <RichK67> yup, that works too :) 20:19:24 <MiHaMiX> RichK67: your client is... irssi? 20:21:02 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D608.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd ["Client exiting"] 20:21:53 <MiHaMiX> hmm 20:22:24 <MiHaMiX> hmm.. 20:22:43 <MiHaMiX> are we going to get another resigning letter, this time from Tron? 20:22:51 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:23:29 <Belugas> that would be incredibly surprising, MiHaMiX 20:23:43 <MiHaMiX> Belugas: agreed 20:23:52 <RichK67> i wouldnt want that... you can live without me, but less so Tron 20:24:25 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181111050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:25:58 *** GoneWacko [n=gonewack@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit ["It's a new quit message!"] 20:31:35 <MeusH> I said it some time ago, and I'll repeat it. The all-devs must agree rule is too powerful, and it created confilct AGAIN 20:31:48 <MeusH> let's say one developer may not voice 20:31:52 <MeusH> just like Tron did 20:32:15 <MeusH> but later, that developer may not remove the feature/bugfix he didn't commented 20:32:37 <MeusH> however, it would be good if that developer could fix it, if something doesn't work there 20:33:14 <RichK67> the change was 8 lines in the end... oh well.. 20:33:44 <MeusH> this way, Tron wouldn't need to agree on applying TGP. If TGP would get to the trunk, Tron won't be able to remove it, however (he should have been talking before) 20:34:34 <MeusH> But Tron would be still able to modify the code, in case of optimizing the code 20:34:40 <MeusH> what do you think about this idea? 20:35:46 <RichK67> the system doesnt work like that... any dev can remove any code any time... the ethics are not part of SVN coding 20:37:10 <RichK67> Tron has already done some good work in TGP... I wanted him to do more... to help... but that is NMP now.. :) 20:38:59 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-216-96.pth-as9.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:39:23 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2E5B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:35 <MiHaMiX> okay folks, good night :) 20:41:04 <RichK67> gn 20:43:16 <MeusH> goodnight 20:44:02 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 20:45:15 *** gigajum [i=LucY@dslb-084-056-142-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["We never meant to be this"] 20:50:21 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:51:20 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54945141.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 20:55:18 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:27 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2EF8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:56:27 *** dp is now known as dp-- 21:01:09 *** Artea [i=xtreme@bl7-210-1.dsl.telepac.pt] 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It's a (real ;) )debian/sid 23:33:16 <zulu9> guess it could be built there. Don't know of the dependencies though 23:34:11 <Sacro> cos i can run the Ubuntu live-cd and make a .deb package 23:34:47 <ln-> does Ubuntu live-cd have a compiler on it? 23:35:22 <zulu9> are all the openttd debs made with ubuntu? heard of problems with ubuntu-packages on sid, but openttd runs flawless 23:37:12 <zulu9> ln-: I think almost every linux has a compiler with it. 23:38:06 <ln-> zulu9: we are talking about a live-cd. 23:38:24 <ln-> with limited available space. 23:39:04 <zulu9> ln-: knoppix/kanotix have it, ubuntu seems to have one. don't think that make & co need so much space. 23:39:20 <scia> ubuntu doesn't have the gcc compiler installed by default 23:39:51 <scia> believe me, I installed it today twice ;P 23:40:09 <Sacro> well i can install it 23:40:24 <zulu9> scia: then how can Sacro make .debs with a ubuntu live-cd? 23:40:38 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 23:40:48 <scia> by magic :) 23:40:48 <zulu9> scia: no compiler... glad too have a real debian 23:40:56 <Sacro> heh, well ill find me a way 23:41:02 <Sacro> i can do rpms on Arch, but not debs 23:42:01 <scia> zulu9: why do you need a compiler when you can't compile ottd? 23:42:38 <zulu9> scia: never actually tried to compile it, since installing it with a .deb is much easier ;) 23:43:14 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["leaving"] 23:43:33 <scia> zulu9: ah ok, but compiling is soooo much easier when you download nightlies often :) 23:44:56 <zulu9> scia: sure. I don't use the nightlies since I had to update every pc in my lan so often to keep them synced. With .debs an easy job :D 23:45:16 <zulu9> s/since I had/since I would have 23:45:40 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:53 <Frostregen> hmm, still an easy batch job 23:46:00 <Frostregen> even with compiling 23:46:06 <Sacro> hmm, i can install debian straight into /opt/debian 23:46:15 <Sacro> though i could use the new shiny free VMWare Server... 23:46:56 <zulu9> Frostregen: well, tell that to some of my (connected) friends with windows ;) 23:47:32 <zulu9> Sacro: you could also try one of the live-cds that use plain debian. such as knoppix or kanotix 23:48:46 <Sacro> zulu9: that i could... 23:49:46 <zulu9> what are the dependencies of openttd? 23:50:03 <Frostregen> ok, no fast solution then ;) 23:50:18 <Sacro> im gonna get killed... 23:50:19 <Sacro> linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) 23:50:20 <Sacro> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7efe000) 23:50:20 <Sacro> libSDL-1.2.so" target="_blank">libSDL-1.2.so.0 => /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so" target="_blank">libSDL-1.2.so.0 (0xb7e6e000) 23:50:20 <Sacro> libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb7e5c000) 23:50:20 <Sacro> libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0xb7e3a000) 23:50:20 <Sacro> libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb7d58000) 23:50:22 <Sacro> libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb7d33000) 23:50:26 <Sacro> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7c15000) 23:50:28 <Sacro> libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb7c0a000) 23:50:31 <Sacro> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f29000) 23:50:33 <Sacro> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7c06000) 23:51:14 <zulu9> hmm. doesn't look that exotic 23:51:38 <Frostregen> damn, i got addicted to simutrans :/ 23:52:09 <Sacro> :o SACRILIDGE 23:52:26 *** Ha11o [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 23:52:38 <zulu9> simutrans maybe a good sim but it is ugly 23:52:40 <Frostregen> the passenger transport rocks, but the freight sucks 23:53:14 <Frostregen> yeah, i dumped it 2 times because i could not see what terrain is up, and which down 23:53:51 <Frostregen> i guess its just a phase 23:54:03 <Frostregen> but the passengers with destination is someting cool 23:54:06 <Frostregen> *sigh* 23:54:33 <Frostregen> are there plans to do this for openttd? 23:54:34 <scia> Frostregen: that is why I played it too... 23:54:41 <scia> for a week 23:54:58 <scia> I believe there are 23:55:08 <scia> there even is a branch for 23:55:11 <Frostregen> hmm, i started 2 days ago. 5 left =) 23:55:16 <scia> cargopackets I believe 23:55:20 <Frostregen> great 23:55:38 <scia> not much activity the last few months though :p 23:55:43 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 23:55:48 <Frostregen> no problem 23:55:57 <Frostregen> i can wait some more years ;) 23:56:02 <Sacro> yeah...i was looking into it, but i havent had my desktop, and this laptop is bust 23:56:21 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176120052.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:57:19 <zulu9> can't wait for openttd to use the new graphics. I can wait some more years, too 23:58:41 <Frostregen> hmm, graphics are not something i want to change 23:59:04 <Frostregen> ah, whatever ;)