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4 fixed, 8 changed by scrooge (12) 06:48:22 <CIA-8> slovenian - 57 fixed, 1 changed by Gorky (58) 07:01:57 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:04:51 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-210-138.pth-as3.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 07:20:34 *** Ammle1 [n=marcel@49.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:24:05 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:25:00 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-216-14.pth-as9.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:26:59 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:32:47 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@a85136.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [] 07:35:10 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:35:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 07:54:15 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:56:24 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:00:12 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:03:22 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:09:17 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:11:27 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 08:16:06 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 08:16:18 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:40 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-216-14.pth-as9.dial.plus.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:27:54 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 08:36:22 *** gigajum [n=Lucy@dslb-084-056-134-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:42:57 *** klogg [n=IceChat7@p50810D2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:43:32 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 08:52:55 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:54:03 *** Nubian [n=nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 09:01:26 *** Tino|Home [n=Tino@i5387C5B8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:05:15 *** klogg [n=IceChat7@p50810D2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:07:09 *** klogg [n=IceChat7@p50810D2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:10 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:11:32 *** Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 09:12:05 *** freak [n=robertwo@Waa34.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:17:58 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387C5B8.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:18:44 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 09:26:59 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has joined #openttd 09:27:05 *** smeding [n=roysmedi@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:28 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:08 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 09:49:01 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 09:55:15 *** Artanicus [i=kuitunej@lehtori.cc.tut.fi] has joined #openttd 09:55:51 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:03 <Artanicus> which package should I use with OS X 10.3? Theresca dedicated pkg for 10.4 & 10.2 /: 09:56:19 <Artanicus> *-c 09:57:17 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:58:37 <Bjarni> not really 09:58:47 *** klogg [n=IceChat7@p50810D2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you"] 09:58:57 <Bjarni> for 0.4.7, there is one for 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 (I screwed up) 09:59:22 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:59:28 <Bjarni> in 0.4.8-RC1 (buggy, you should not use that one), 10.4 will use the 10.3 binary, so there is one for 10.2 and one for all other systems 10:00:19 <Bjarni> 10.2 lacks some libraries we need, so it got a few more bugs, that's not really possible to fix (like saving if the savegame name contains certain chars) 10:00:30 <Bjarni> is that a long enough answer? 10:04:10 <Artanicus> well.. 10:05:09 <Artanicus> the download page didnt mention the 10.3 version anywhere for the latest stable 10:05:40 <Artanicus> (on a very slow connection so my searching is very limited) 10:07:06 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:09:44 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@195.39.113.200] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:10:09 <Artanicus> well, found it on the sf mirror 10:10:09 *** freak is now known as freak|zZz 10:10:19 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:10:23 *** gigajum [n=Lucy@dslb-084-056-134-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["leaving"] 10:16:24 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:12 *** csuke109 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 10:18:12 *** csuke [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:18:17 *** csuke109 is now known as csuke 10:21:29 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 10:29:02 *** freak|zZz [n=robertwo@Waa34.w.pppool.de] has quit [] 10:29:10 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 10:30:57 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:44:36 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:01:32 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:01:32 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:02:20 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:09:14 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:11 <Celestar> peter1138: you there? 11:17:19 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:37 <ln-> Celestar: i just remembered i was supposed to poke you on monday about this patch: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/rail-elrail-intersection-automagic-conversion.diff 11:17:49 <Celestar> ln-: will read today 11:18:18 <ln-> (someone said there is already a rail compatibility function, so the one in the patch may be redundant) 11:18:23 <Celestar> ln-: yes 11:18:28 <ln-> but the patch itself is useful. 11:18:34 <Celestar> ln-: IsCompatibleRail and HasPowerOnRaid 11:18:36 <Celestar> Rail even 11:18:53 <Celestar> the patch itself is very useful 11:19:10 <Celestar> and something like that will be included before 0.5.0 is released :) 11:19:24 <Celestar> if we ever release 0.5.0 :P 11:21:46 <roboman> where did 0.4.2 0.4.3 and 0.4.4 go 11:21:55 <ln-> good 11:22:03 <roboman> or when did they get released 11:22:10 <ln-> and unless tron removes elrails :/ 11:22:57 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:38 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:23:51 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:23:58 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:24:19 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:26:10 <peter1138> Celestar: hello 11:26:24 <peter1138> roboman: no, they don't exist 11:26:27 <roboman> hello peter 11:26:33 <roboman> ok 11:26:53 <roboman> just wondering why we went straight to 0.4.5 11:27:21 <Bjarni> it was halfway between 0.4.0 and 0.5.0 11:28:45 <Sacro> :o lies 11:29:25 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 11:29:45 * roboman wonders who replied to his flyspray bugreport 11:29:56 <roboman> its a newstations bug report 11:32:26 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:32:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:33:54 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 11:34:48 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:35:04 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-212-24.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:11 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:36:41 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 11:37:49 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:39:06 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:39:09 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 11:50:01 *** fusion [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:50:04 <peter1138> roboman: do you wonder why windows when from 3.1 to 95? ;p 11:54:16 <Bjarni> o_O 11:54:27 <Bjarni> I missed development of more than 90 versions of windows 11:54:37 <Bjarni> but I guess I didn't miss anything useful :P 11:54:42 <RichK67> LOL 11:58:23 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:01:03 <Zavior> uhm :D 12:04:42 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:31 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 12:13:02 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8C5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause> aren't they at like version 2003 already? :) 12:25:15 <Qball> 2004 even for office 12:26:12 <hylje> and that's 2-3 years late 12:26:12 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:26:12 <hylje> :D 12:26:27 <hylje> ms got some balls to advertise Office / Server 2003 as new. 12:28:12 *** publunch [n=publunch@81-174-212-24.pth-as5.dial.plus.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 12:31:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 12:36:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:46 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B37135.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:48 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-209-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:41:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:43:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:53 <elho> whover it was who asked for it, Frostregen i think, the depot is done: http://stranger.elho.net/advanced-depot.png :) 13:06:41 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-182-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:56 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:07:16 <Bjarni> [14:52] <elho> whover it was who asked for it, Frostregen i think, the depot is done: http://stranger.elho.net/advanced-depot.png :) 13:07:16 <Bjarni> [15:06] --> Frostregen_ (n=sucks@dslb-084-058-182-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #openttd 13:07:21 <Bjarni> now that's called timing :P 13:08:28 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:09:04 <Belugas> Good day "ottd"ers 13:09:11 <Bjarni> hi Belugas 13:09:18 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:37 <Sacro> hey Belugas 13:09:47 <Belugas> hello Mister Bjarni, Mister Sacro 13:10:11 <Bjarni> o_O 13:10:22 <Bjarni> Sacro is upgraded to Mister 13:10:23 *** Morlark [n=Sean@host86-141-123-54.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:10:35 <Sacro> Bjarni: better than Miss 13:10:36 <ems> hey! 13:10:46 <ems> I am the King of Sheba! 13:10:59 <Sacro> ems: lies! 13:11:11 <RichK67> Belugas hi!! how is it the other side of the pond this morning? 13:11:46 <Bjarni> RichK67: what happened to your watch??? it's past lunch and you say morning... 13:12:11 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:41 <RichK67> ahh... im "world aware"... its morning for belugas, so im being in sync with him, when i ask :) 13:12:59 <Celestar> morning RichK67 13:13:04 <RichK67> lol 13:13:15 <elho> Bjarni: heh, well another copy of him has been here for a while :) 13:13:45 <RichK67> just glad no-one is saying "good" morning... mornings are rarely good... :) 13:13:50 <Bjarni> good evening 13:13:54 <RichK67> better :) 13:14:35 <Bjarni> RichK67: now you die... I just started the Hitchcock introduction and then somebody have to die 13:14:39 <elho> afternoons are pretty good mornings though 13:14:49 <RichK67> elho: thats his dark side... when the vampire quits, the human appears ;) 13:15:11 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-176-230.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 13:15:13 <RichK67> elho: i like your perspective sir! 13:15:18 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:15:26 <elho> hehe 13:15:30 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:16:00 <RichK67> house! 13:16:07 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-60-227-109-191.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.69.3 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 13:16:12 <Bjarni> garden! 13:16:17 <RichK67> lol 13:17:25 <Brianetta> garage! 13:17:47 <Bjarni> o_O 13:17:56 <Bjarni> when did we start to play the sims online? 13:18:30 <Brianetta> Heyaaar... t'drnub-a-lubble frobwich. 13:18:41 <Brianetta> Mogey, mogey, mogey. 13:18:43 <elho> your garden made it sims, could've been music otherwise ;P 13:19:18 * RichK67 thinks... what have i started here? 13:19:51 <lws1984> a madhouse, /me thinks 13:20:09 <Bjarni> nice 13:20:23 <RichK67> i was sort of meaning "House!" as in the call you make when all boxes are filled... brianetta made it a (full) house... 13:20:24 <Bjarni> if you are all mad, then you would not mind completely random perm bans 13:20:40 <Brianetta> Bingo! 13:21:00 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*i=elho@*.elho.net] by Bjarni 13:21:08 <Bjarni> I don't hear any complains in this channel 13:21:16 <Bjarni> so it was a nice move 13:21:16 <Brianetta> ): 13:21:32 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*i=elho@*.elho.net] by Bjarni 13:21:57 <ems> <Bjarni> when did we start to play the sims online? 13:22:06 <ems> when you started coding it 13:22:17 <Belugas> Richk67, the other side of the "pond" is looking glorious, this MORNING :) 13:22:31 <elho> :) 13:22:53 <RichK67> oh yeah, brianetta, any thoughts on a different map style for next game? (squarer, perhaps USrenewal, arctic?) 13:23:04 <ems> I hate linux 13:23:11 <RichK67> Belugas: lol .. good :) 13:23:27 <hylje> arctic 13:23:28 <hylje> :o? 13:23:33 <Belugas> This been said... I have to get back to my freaking work 13:23:39 <Bjarni> attic all the way 13:23:55 <Bjarni> if not, then toyland 13:23:56 <Belugas> but before, RichK67, I have found the reason of the Ghost i was pursuing in tgp_gui. 13:24:06 <RichK67> COOL :) 13:24:17 <Belugas> you did that ghost ;) 13:24:18 <RichK67> commit away sir... (to the branch that is) 13:24:28 <Belugas> no yet ready, fora form it 13:24:33 <Belugas> far from it :) 13:24:38 <RichK67> of course... keep you on your toes 13:24:43 <RichK67> :P 13:24:46 <ems> who likes Matisyahu? 13:24:51 <Belugas> now, i have the "edit box" working fine, 13:25:00 <ems> I remember that day in Novemember 13:25:02 <Belugas> i now need to pass the previous value of the seed before 13:25:09 <RichK67> great, now to persuade people its worth habing 13:25:13 <RichK67> having 13:25:20 <Brianetta> Does UKRS work in Arctic? 13:25:35 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5C37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:47 <RichK67> i dont know, but err... why? US or Canada sets look great in it 13:25:49 <ems> Indestructible 13:25:56 <Brianetta> But they're North American 13:26:02 <Belugas> so waht? 13:26:08 <Brianetta> So I don't relate to them 13:26:16 <Belugas> Muwhaha! 13:26:35 <Belugas> Didn;t you ever played toyland ? 13:26:39 <Brianetta> I did 13:26:45 <Brianetta> It reminded me of my childhood 13:26:47 <RichK67> well, ukrs is missing the class 45, 46, 50, 52... basically all western region diesels... i dont relate to it either ;) 13:27:12 <RichK67> class 52 is a shocker to leave out... early mainline diesel 13:27:23 <Belugas> nice country where you grew up RichK67 ;) 13:27:26 <Brianetta> Missing items aren't the problem 13:27:27 <RichK67> class 50 is a power workhouse, and sound GREAT 13:27:34 <Brianetta> The presence of weird crap is the problem 13:27:53 <RichK67> yeah... and odd speed inconsistencies with wagon speed lims 13:28:10 <Brianetta> odd inconsistencies? 13:28:14 <Brianetta> I never noticed any 13:28:16 <Belugas> Mogwai Mogwai Mogwai Mogwai Mogwai Mogwai 13:28:23 <Belugas> Hohooo Gizmo 13:28:27 <Brianetta> Mogey, mogey, mogey. 13:28:32 <RichK67> like EMD type 5 is super powerful, but by the time you get it, you are running coal at 92mph... why drop back to 65mph? 13:28:33 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8C5.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 13:28:45 <RichK67> with mogwai comes MUCH responsibility 13:29:30 <Brianetta> Perhaps for non-coal freight? 13:30:15 <RichK67> type 1 is cheaper, will do 70, and its only wood and livestock that remain limited to <80mph 13:30:42 <Brianetta> I transport wood and livestock 13:30:53 <Brianetta> I might want to pull it up a hill 13:31:05 <Zavior> Atleast in your game .. :D 13:31:36 <RichK67> i end up in 2030+ running brush 47s for all freight, except wood and livestock... on Hydras 13:32:00 <RichK67> hill? whats a hill? late game, you just flatten them :) 13:32:05 <Brianetta> Ew 13:32:06 <Sacro> `we need TE in MiniIN 13:32:17 <RichK67> TE? 13:32:21 * Sacro loves his massive long deltic freight trains 13:32:23 <Brianetta> Tractive effort 13:32:25 <Sacro> RichK67: tractive effort 13:32:28 <RichK67> ah 13:32:30 <hylje> :o? 13:32:52 <Brianetta> hylje: No point having a powerful loco if it's just going to wheelspin 13:32:53 * RichK67 shudders... poor deltic... used and abused, demoted to freight 13:33:05 <Sacro> it loved hauling wood 13:33:11 <hylje> nice 13:33:15 * RichK67 cringes 13:33:19 <Brianetta> All passenger locos are demoted to freight or scrapped early. Take your pick. 13:33:22 <Brianetta> Deltic was lucky. 13:33:29 <Belugas> Yes, RichK67, but it is a well known fact that Mogway Fear Satan 13:33:57 <Belugas> grrrr... 13:34:02 <Belugas> -y+i 13:34:36 <RichK67> Brianetta: huh? class 45, 46 always ran passenger routes a lot of the time, class 47s, class 50s (passengers almost always)... 13:35:03 <Brianetta> RichK67: *then* what heppened to them? 13:35:07 <Brianetta> Where are they now? 13:35:50 <RichK67> class 45, 46 scrapped, class 47 refurbished - still on some passenger - but its now over 45yrs old design, class 50s passengers to the end 13:36:13 <Brianetta> See, they were scrapped 13:36:23 <Brianetta> They could have been happily hauling freight 13:36:29 <RichK67> life was: prototype -> passengers -> scrapyard... no demotion to freight 13:36:30 <Brianetta> bu they were slaughtered 13:36:35 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8192B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:36:42 <Brianetta> freight is an extension of a loco'slife 13:36:52 <RichK67> lol - nah... uneconomical... too old... heck they were 40yrs+ most of them 13:36:56 <hylje> :o 13:37:00 <Brianetta> A repreive from the cutting torch 13:37:15 <Brianetta> A stay of execution 13:37:17 <RichK67> anyway 13:37:23 <RichK67> arctic? 13:37:29 <Brianetta> What? 13:37:29 <RichK67> hilly? 13:37:32 <Brianetta> huh? 13:37:46 <RichK67> next game... 13:37:54 <Brianetta> next which game? 13:38:06 <RichK67> on your server, in a few days time 13:38:35 <Brianetta> God no. Every time I change the grf set at least three people (1) get the new password then (2) spend the night complaining about desyncs 13:38:41 <RichK67> lol 13:38:56 <RichK67> ok... so a temperate, uk based map? 13:39:44 <Brianetta> I suppose it could be arranged. Scenarios tend to pee all over my settings, though 13:41:12 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Work 13:41:33 <RichK67> what size would you like? send me your default .cfg, and ill create a UK map with random towns 13:42:51 <Brianetta> random towns? 13:43:20 <Belugas> RichK67, DCC 13:43:37 <RichK67> thanks 13:43:49 <RichK67> yes, using TGPs new heightmap feature 13:43:56 <Belugas> look in english.txt, there is your ghost ;) 13:43:59 <RichK67> UK terrain, random towns 13:44:25 <Brianetta> Why have UK terrain if the towns are wrong? 13:44:45 <RichK67> replayability? 13:44:46 <Sacro> have south england scenario 13:45:08 <RichK67> got to watch the size... desyncs worse over 512x512 13:48:42 *** archi [i=bob@user-1121cfp.dsl.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:49:00 <ems> characteristics - we need to simplify this word 13:49:33 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B8057B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 13:49:37 <ems> language evolution to the rescue! 13:50:02 <Belugas> features ? 13:56:46 <Bjarni> "That's a warning. A warning is something you can safely ignore ;)" <-- LOL. Sometimes you can't :P 14:03:29 <Sacro> surely if it was safe to ignore...a warning would not be required 14:09:08 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B801AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:08 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B8192B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:29:12 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 14:31:03 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:32:44 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 14:33:33 <Brianetta> "That's a warning. A warning is something you can safely ignore ;)" </homer simpson> 14:35:13 *** lws|Work [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Quit"] 14:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause> "what does that red light mean?" - "oh, that's only the tape that fell off." 14:47:45 <RichK67> eeny meeny miney mo... 14:59:00 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:59:39 *** jonty_comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:49 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:28:49 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:21 <CIA-8> miham * r5518 /trunk/lang/ (german.txt slovak.txt spanish.txt unfinished/slovenian.txt): 15:29:21 <CIA-8> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-19 17:28:56 15:29:21 <CIA-8> german - 2 fixed by Neonox (2) 15:29:21 <CIA-8> slovak - 95 changed by lengyel (95) 15:29:21 <CIA-8> slovenian - 118 fixed, 12 changed by Gorky (130) 15:29:22 <CIA-8> spanish - 1 fixed by eusebio (1) 15:29:45 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 15:30:00 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 15:30:24 *** archi [i=bob@user-1121tm7.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 15:30:34 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N stats: 94% - 4143 bad strings out of 76212 strings 15:33:00 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E8C5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:35:28 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:41 *** TerminatorSkyNE [i=Terminat@203.27.184.14] has joined #openttd 15:40:57 <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: FYI, the C# compiler for Linux is called csc, and uses the Mono framework :) 15:41:19 <Brianetta> oh, ok 15:41:32 <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: i just saw your comment to exe-s proposal :D 15:41:36 <Brianetta> yes 15:41:43 <Brianetta> I guessed that was why you brought it up 15:42:25 *** jonty_comp is now known as jonty-comp 15:50:35 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 15:59:52 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:00:59 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:01:53 *** Forexs- [n=forexs@62.199.150.132] has joined #openttd 16:04:10 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has joined #openttd 16:11:28 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:16:39 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:17:14 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-175-81.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:26:18 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:35 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:33:11 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:40:44 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:45:03 *** eeemess [n=e@203-217-57-89.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:47:18 *** Trippledence__ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:47:51 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:17 *** ammler [n=marcel@zux181-026.adsl.green.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:49:44 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:53 <eQualizer> How do I set the transfer orders properly if I need to get maize from lorry station to lorry/dock, from there to dock/lorry, and after that to lorry station? (grain truck - ship - grain truck) 16:50:47 <glx> transfert orders don't work very well 16:51:19 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:51:20 <RichK67> :) 16:51:27 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:52:10 <Wolf01> hi all 16:52:14 <eQualizer> :E 16:52:22 <Sacro_> arrgh its a Wolf01 16:52:38 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 16:52:47 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:05 *** ems [n=e@203-158-35-252.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:53:09 *** eeemess is now known as ems 16:53:09 <hylje> :E 16:53:15 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:16 * Wolf01 hides (oh no! is Sacro_) 16:53:56 <Sacro_> :O 16:53:59 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 16:54:43 <Bjarni> "we should not use public money to support further destruction of human lives"... George Bush said this today 16:55:07 <glx> hmm what about Iraq ? 16:55:15 <SpComb> what iraq? 16:55:23 <Sacro> what about Nascar? 16:55:25 <RichK67> drugs? 16:55:40 <RichK67> abortion... 16:55:41 <eQualizer> I totally agree with him. People should be sponsored by corporations to kill other people. 16:55:43 <Bjarni> research of stam cells 16:55:57 <Sacro> Funeral directors 16:56:10 <RichK67> lawyesr 16:56:14 <RichK67> lawyers even 16:56:26 <Sacro> death row 16:56:44 <Sacro> eQualizer: McMurder? 16:57:03 <Sacro> ah yes, i'd like a McBortion please 16:57:04 <eQualizer> I can't wait to see soldiers wearing Coca-Cola or IBM ads on their backs, or somewhere else where it's seeable. :) 16:57:22 <Sacro> eQualizer: nah, it'd have to be ID Software :) 16:57:23 <RichK67> eQualizer: Marlboro... 16:58:38 <Rubidium> yeah, cut the financial benefits for having children as they are the main cause of the destruction of human lives 16:59:00 <Sacro> Rubidium: but you cant use public money to cut the benefits... 16:59:44 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 16:59:45 <Rubidium> Sacro: public money is 'spent' on those benefits 17:00:16 * elho wouldn't want to know what a McBortion would be made of... 17:01:03 <Sacro> elho: it'd be fresh... 17:01:07 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:01:14 <eQualizer> "One McKill with light violence, please!" 17:02:17 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:54 <Sacro> heh, would you like a side portion of maiming? 17:05:40 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:05:44 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 17:06:03 <Sacro> heh, #idlerpg :D 17:06:41 <hylje> what about it 17:06:48 <Sacro> i just joined :D 17:07:03 <hylje> i have a lvl80 or so idler elsewhere 17:07:25 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:30 <Sacro> :P i see you 17:08:00 <hylje> actually exactly lvl80 17:08:03 <hylje> http://korpi.jakoavain.net/irpg/players.php 17:08:03 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 17:08:55 <hylje> (note the favicon over there >:)) 17:08:58 *** ammler 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Got better things to do with life. 19:23:31 <Sacro> RichK67: you ok? 19:24:08 <RichK67> dont even go there 19:27:05 <RichK67> sacro ping 19:27:24 <Sacro> RichK67: pong 19:27:38 <Sacro> i saw your commit message... was worried about you 19:27:40 <RichK67> can you read private channels? 19:27:46 <Sacro> yeah, sorry 19:31:45 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:39:26 *** blathijs [n=matthijs@130.89.168.160] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40:09 *** Rubidium [n=rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:40:49 *** Mek [n=marijn@cc9952-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:50:27 <CIA-8> egladil * r5520 / (97 files in 12 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r5098:5200 from trunk. 19:50:54 <hylje> oh wow 19:51:21 <Sacro> hylje: ? 19:51:35 <Sacro> hmm, 32bpp branch is alive 19:53:46 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-10608.bb.online.no] has quit ["edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on."] 19:57:22 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-10608.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:58:48 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 19:59:54 <Belugas> hehehe and so is egladil :D 20:00:09 <egladil> :) 20:00:55 <Sacro> ah yes... him too :) 20:02:11 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20:02:42 *** _max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:03:06 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:10 *** _max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:29 *** _max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:03:59 *** __max_ [i=xXx@seduce-and-destroy.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:54 *** |AciD| [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 20:05:12 <Sacro> hehe "3) You might want remove those jpg screenshots and take new screenies in png format before bobingabout shows up." 20:05:46 <hylje> ha ha 20:05:47 <hylje> :D 20:05:55 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:05:58 <hylje> wheres that 20:06:41 <Sacro> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26279 20:07:16 <CIA-8> egladil * r5521 /branches/32bpp/ (101 files in 12 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r5200:5300 from trunk. 20:07:46 <Sacro> egladil: are you commiting 400 revisions? 20:08:10 <egladil> yeah 20:08:55 <egladil> 100 at a time unless theres some unexpected problems, in which case i do it slower 20:09:05 <RichK67> cool... suggest you do up to r5390 next... 5391 can cause a lot of ...err... issues ;) 20:09:23 *** |AciD| is now known as AciD 20:09:25 <RichK67> it nearly broke MiniIN when i syncd it 20:09:40 <egladil> ok. thanks :) 20:09:57 <RichK67> one to watch... you may whistle past tho 20:10:13 <RichK67> MiniIN touches about 70% of the source code files in some way 20:11:13 * Born_Acorn asplodes sending red hot ashes and bits of Born_Acorn across #openttd 20:11:26 <egladil> thats a bit more than 32bpp :) 20:11:32 <RichK67> ooooo... pretty colours 20:11:49 <Wolf01> RichK67, can you merge the latest daylength patch? i noticed that many people play with daylength but is buggy without that patch 20:11:50 <RichK67> (mostly red) 20:12:13 <RichK67> this weekend... i just need to get to this weekend 20:12:51 <Sacro> does egladil have commit rights to MiniIN ... :) 20:12:56 <RichK67> (answer, no... just too busy/no brainpower left... plenty for chat, but that doesnt need a coding brain ;) ) 20:13:12 <RichK67> yes, all devs can commit anywhere 20:13:22 <RichK67> the power is frightening ;) 20:13:23 * egladil does not have time to do even get started looking at MiniIN 20:13:42 <RichK67> ok wolf: just for you; where is it... link? 20:14:04 <Sacro> RichK67: its for me too :) 20:14:05 <Wolf01> wait a second 20:14:39 <RichK67> and me; im getting a lot of "its broken" posts 20:14:45 <Sacro> unless it all goes horribly wrong, then its all Wolf01'os fault 20:15:00 <Sacro> yeah, it does affect the whole game 20:15:20 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/daylength_bugfix_5477_662.diff it should be this 20:15:59 <RichK67> its a pity the problem appeared just before i had to take my break... otherwise it was a DIN fix.... Do It Now 20:16:42 <RichK67> ok, other than "it fixes it"... what does it do? (for commit message) 20:17:01 <Wolf01> uhm 20:17:16 <Wolf01> fixes the "daylength affect economy" patch 20:17:32 <Wolf01> and running costs/interests 20:18:16 <RichK67> adjusts running costs to also be controlled by daylength? 20:18:27 <Wolf01> yes 20:18:32 <Sacro> w00t :D 20:18:34 <RichK67> ok... sounds cool 20:19:02 <RichK67> what is proof it is working... quick example please, so i can test 20:19:11 <Wolf01> and resolve the "oh i have a biiiiiig ammount of money and i don't know how to spend it" 20:19:11 <Sacro> RichK67: people have been saying that the games go too quick for aaaaaaaaages, and finally it looks like its happening 20:19:35 <Sacro> the downside is that tests can take between 2x and 32x longer to see :P 20:19:47 <Wolf01> if you enable the "affect economy" all the running costs are multiplied by daylength 20:19:49 <RichK67> fast forward is your friend :) 20:20:15 <Sacro> RichK67: kinda defeats the daylengths purpose though ;) 20:21:05 <Wolf01> and if i remember right also vehicle incomes are divided by daylength, so you take more to make money but you can play more time 20:21:45 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 20:21:48 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@0x5733798b.abnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:23:05 <RichK67> ok, so with "affects" on, my 6x daylength, gave me 6x costs 20:23:31 <Wolf01> yes, the industries produces 6 time more 20:23:42 <Wolf01> and trains can travel 6 times more fast 20:23:45 <Wolf01> is correct 20:23:51 <RichK67> ok 20:23:59 <Wolf01> the only thing incorrect were the running costs 20:23:59 <hylje> more fast 20:24:00 <hylje> :D 20:24:11 <RichK67> so what is the problem ppl were having? 20:24:14 <Wolf01> that are yearly based and not travel-based 20:25:04 <Wolf01> the problems were introduced when i changed the interests in the economy section 20:25:33 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:25:44 <Wolf01> so they increased the base costs for "daylength" times 20:26:34 <RichK67> ok 20:28:18 <CIA-8> richk * r5522 /branches/MiniIN/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 20:28:18 <CIA-8> [MiniIN]: [Daylength]: Fix. Running costs now vary with daylength multiplier when "Daylength affects economy" is on. 20:28:18 <CIA-8> Many thanks to Wolf01 for patch. 20:28:48 <CIA-8> egladil * r5523 /branches/32bpp/ (113 files in 13 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r5300:5400 from trunk. 20:29:06 <RichK67> how was 5391? 20:30:07 <egladil> no problem 20:30:26 <egladil> only two conflict in that whole sync 20:30:28 <RichK67> lucky you... i had 6 horrendous conflicts 20:32:39 <RichK67> ping ln- 20:36:56 * Born_Acorn implodes, retrieving all pieces of Born_Acorn 20:37:18 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181082106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:40:32 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2D3A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:52 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:42:30 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Success] 20:44:40 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:44:52 <ln-> wow, someone is pinging me. 20:45:07 <hylje> irc servers tend to do taht 20:45:49 <RichK67> hi - your electricity production patch 20:46:11 <RichK67> the file appears corrupt, can you resend in plain ansi ascii 20:46:24 * Sacro kicks his laptop and crys 20:46:58 <hylje> s/crys/cries/ 20:47:27 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E5B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:47:28 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:47:39 <CIA-8> egladil * r5524 /branches/32bpp/ (62 files in 8 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r5400:5500 from trunk. 20:48:04 <Sacro> hylje: dont diss my english 20:48:23 <hylje> if this was 4chan your text would get zoomed 20:50:36 <ln-> RichK67: here it is: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/electricity_on_power_station.diff , but it is indeed against a pretty old svn revision, so it's not guaranteed to apply cleanly. 20:51:35 <RichK67> cool... thats got it... its only a few lines, so i may do them manually 20:51:45 <Wolf01> 'night all 20:51:50 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host86-238.pool870.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 20:52:38 <Sacro> RichK67: you merging it? 20:52:54 <RichK67> in a few mins 20:53:05 <Sacro> ln-: whats it do? 20:53:16 <ln-> Sacro: it's cosmetic. 20:53:24 <Sacro> oh? 20:53:25 <RichK67> wonderful things 20:53:40 <Sacro> i see 6 new lines... 20:55:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:46 <CIA-8> richk * r5525 /branches/MiniIN/ (33 files in 5 dirs): 20:57:46 <CIA-8> [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r5468:5515. 20:57:46 <CIA-8> Italian town names now in trunk, so those commits reverted. 20:58:47 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:00:13 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C5B8.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 21:00:31 <CIA-8> egladil * r5526 /branches/32bpp/ (22 files in 4 dirs): [32bpp] -Sync r5500:5524 from trunk. 21:00:34 <Belugas> yeah, only better :) 21:00:46 <Belugas> ho.. boy... time to go! 21:00:49 <RichK67> lol :) 21:00:55 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:01:10 <Belugas_Gone> night all 21:01:18 <Bjarni> egladil: how is progress on 32 bit graphics? 21:03:49 <egladil> slow 21:04:32 <Bjarni> well 21:04:38 <egladil> unfortunately i have very little time. and no programming friendly computer 21:04:40 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Let's hope the traffic isn't as bad today."] 21:04:44 <Bjarni> slow is faster than "very slow" and "stalled" 21:05:03 <Born_Acorn> egladil, I can hire a Cheerleading squad to cheer you on! 21:05:17 <egladil> Bjarni: true :) 21:05:23 <egladil> Born_Acorn: hehe 21:05:34 <Born_Acorn> Unfortunately, even though I can, I won't, because it requires moneys. Moneys I not have. 21:05:35 <Bjarni> how can a computer be "non-programming friendly"? 21:05:45 <egladil> small screen 21:05:50 <Bjarni> ahh 21:06:03 <Bjarni> nobody told you to code on a PDA :P 21:06:07 <Sacro> Bjarni: no keyboard :P 21:06:30 <Born_Acorn> try no input devices. 21:06:30 <egladil> actually, the only computer i got right now is my 12" ibook 21:06:37 <Bjarni> speech-to-text 21:06:41 <Born_Acorn> or output devices. 21:06:44 <egladil> my regular computer drowned itself around easter 21:07:11 <Bjarni> if (v->speed > x && v->cargo == temp_cargo_type) 21:07:23 <Bjarni> it would be fun to make those with speech to text ;) 21:07:33 <Bjarni> drowned? 21:07:46 <Bjarni> you took your computer with you in the bathtub? 21:07:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:08:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:17 <Bjarni> I presume you didn't use a CRT monitor 21:08:35 <egladil> no, the pipe to cpu cooling block started leaking, so water all over :( 21:08:54 <Bjarni> ahh 21:09:26 <Bjarni> don't they use a non-lethal liquid? 21:09:31 <Bjarni> I mean for computers 21:09:37 <hylje> :< 21:09:46 <egladil> well, you are supposed too 21:10:05 <Bjarni> you can get cooling liquids, that will not harm the computer at all 21:10:12 <Bjarni> ahh 21:10:49 <Bjarni> it's like you are supposed to use some anti freezing cooling liquid in car engines, but pure water is cheaper? 21:11:07 <egladil> but i used regular water since transporting about 120 litres of nonlethal liquid home is, well, troublesome 21:11:22 <Bjarni> bad choice 21:11:50 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:11:55 <egladil> well, as long as it doesn't leak theres no problem :) 21:12:12 <Bjarni> that's the US way of thinking 21:13:22 <Bjarni> you should have used cooking oil... it's cheap and can't harm electronics and best of all: it cools better than water 21:13:51 <Bjarni> or maybe you should have used lube oil. It will cool even better 21:13:53 <egladil> it does? i find that hard to believe 21:14:32 <egladil> as water has a very high capacity for heat or whatever it is called 21:14:54 <Bjarni> it's also very high for oil 21:14:56 <Bjarni> hmm 21:15:26 <Bjarni> actually I'm not really sure about normal cooking oil, but real lube oil is better than water 21:15:56 <Bjarni> pure water is also better than water with anti freeze components. Pure water cools like 10% better 21:16:15 <glx> but it's hard to keep it pure 21:16:48 <Bjarni> this is one of the reasons why some railroad companies use pure water to cool diesel engines... it have the side effect that they can't turn them off outside during the winter though 21:17:56 <Bjarni> <glx> but it's hard to keep it pure <-- pure as in without cooling components and no calcium and so on... it will get stuff from the engine and... oh well, the engine will have to survive that 21:18:06 <RichK67> hmm.... lets see if it works 21:18:39 <Bjarni> what works... you just decided to use lube oil to cool your CPU? 21:19:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75832.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:19:18 <RichK67> electricity production patch 21:19:25 <Bjarni> <egladil> but i used regular water since transporting about 120 litres of nonlethal liquid home is, well, troublesome <-- do you really need that much? 21:19:40 <Bjarni> besides you should know: eventually everything will leak 21:19:46 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:20:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B77D28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:24 <Bjarni> this is also where water is a good thing to use for the railroads... it's much cheaper to replace and non-toxic for humans 21:20:49 <glx> not only for human 21:21:06 <egladil> bjarni: no, but as i use an aquarium as water tank that how much that fits 21:21:21 <Bjarni> egladil: do you have a pic of that? 21:21:22 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:21:29 <Bjarni> I mean how you set it up 21:21:35 <egladil> and as i have no cooling of the water but passive radiation an evaporation, more water is better :) 21:21:46 <Bjarni> you use the aquarium as a radiator? 21:22:03 <glx> it seems so 21:22:04 <Bjarni> or... used :P 21:22:19 <egladil> yeah 21:22:40 <Bjarni> what was the CPU core temperature? 21:22:40 <egladil> don't think i have an pictures though 21:23:01 <Bjarni> and the temperature in the aquarium after a long time compilation? 21:23:01 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-53-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Au reviour!"] 21:23:40 <egladil> the aqaurium kept its temperature quite well over time i think, no measurements though 21:24:06 <egladil> and the cpu was at around 40-50 ?C, being last in the chain of gpu, chipset, cpu 21:24:20 <Bjarni> if I had made that, I would have added thermometers everywhere 21:24:33 <Bjarni> and figured out what oil to use to be on the safe side 21:24:36 <glx> egladil: http://www.markusleonhardt.de/oelbilder.html <-- don't know if you was here when the link was given 21:27:48 <Bjarni> tip: if you do it like that, you should place your computer at a low point, since the cables can suck up the oil and if the other end of the cables are below the fishtank, then your devices like the mouse will lube themselves 21:27:56 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:00 <Bjarni> so well, that they will leak 21:32:23 <egladil> glx: seen it before :) 21:33:06 <Bjarni> if I had made it, it would be hard to see the computer... I would have used thicker and darker oil... I think 21:33:29 <Bjarni> better cooling abilities... 550 MHz is not enough for me 21:34:42 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:37:43 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 21:40:13 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:41:33 <Bjarni> http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans/ <-- I got to do this :D 21:42:13 <SpComb> still talking about that? 21:42:42 <RichK67> link broken 21:43:09 <SpComb> works fine 21:43:22 <SpComb> but cooking oil is really, really ugly 21:43:24 <RichK67> not in firefox 21:43:33 <SpComb> looks like p**s or something 21:43:34 <Sacro> Bjarni: 404 21:43:50 <SpComb> loads fine in firefox here.. 21:44:11 <SpComb> stop the copy-pasting at the last /, please 21:44:23 <Bjarni> it works here (firefox) 21:44:54 <Bjarni> it also works in safari 21:45:18 <Bjarni> SpComb: yeah, I would use something else... something that might even work better 21:45:57 <RichK67> for the real link:... http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2006/01/09/strip_out_the_fans1/ 21:46:03 <RichK67> nb... fans1 21:46:21 <Bjarni> alternatively it would not have to be transparent... ugly content in a non-transparent container is not a problem 21:47:18 <RichK67> that is cool :) 21:49:18 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:49:45 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:49:54 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:50:06 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:50:08 *** __max_ is now known as _max_ 21:51:36 <Bjarni> the questions is... why did the leave the PSU in the air to be noisy when they had the option to make it 100% silent 21:51:47 <Bjarni> also... what to do about HDDs? 21:52:02 <Bjarni> they can't be made 100% silent 21:54:47 <Bjarni> http://www.kenlowe.com.au/_borders/coolin20.jpg <-- such a device would be nice to use as well 21:55:04 <Bjarni> I wonder what the price would be for such a piece... 21:55:53 *** Rubidium [n=rubidium@5353D1BF.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:56:00 <SpComb> dunking your 220V psu int your tub of oil... 21:56:17 <SpComb> I was also wondering... isn't a hard drive quite airtight? 21:59:49 <RichK67> hey, if you got hungry, you could always throw in the odd chip ;) 22:00:05 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176101134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm afraid it does not produce enough heat to make those :) 22:03:15 <Bjarni> <SpComb> I was also wondering... isn't a hard drive quite airtight? <-- I got one, that says "do not cover hole", so no... 22:03:42 <SpComb> hmm, and what's that hole? 22:03:53 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@0x5733798b.abnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 22:03:53 <Bjarni> ventilation 22:04:37 <SpComb> hmm 22:04:41 *** mikk36[EST] [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit ["The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him"] 22:04:43 <SpComb> how big is it? 22:04:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> but not for the part that contains the disks 22:05:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> you would NOT want to have dusk particles in there :) 22:05:17 <Bjarni> the risk of losing the disks is too great... we have to do something else 22:05:19 <Bjarni> like 22:05:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> *dust 22:05:36 <Sacro> RichK67: thats my idea :) make it into a large fryer 22:06:13 <Bjarni> sealing the HD in some sound proof container and cool it with a CPU cooler (taken from egladil's computer...it will not need it anymore anyway) 22:06:30 <Bjarni> then we got a cool HD in a location where we can't hear it 22:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> dust particles that have 10 times the diameter than the distance between the disk and the head are deadly for any HDD 22:07:24 <Bjarni> also dropping the HD into the oil would do little good as it would cool the drive, but not the noise 22:07:33 <Bjarni> well, not much of the noise 22:07:39 <Bjarni> or would it... 22:07:49 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> do HDDs need active cooling? 22:08:22 <Bjarni> it would certainly remove some of it, but then the noise would walk though the HD holder to the case and transmit the noise that way 22:08:53 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> do HDDs need active cooling? <-- normally no, but if you place it in a small box with no ventilation, then yes 22:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> just put the HDDs in a server in the basement, and use NFS :) 22:09:03 <Bjarni> such a small box could be made sound proof 22:09:32 <Bjarni> you mean net booting? 22:09:34 <Bjarni> hmm 22:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you got two etages between you and the basement, that is pretty sound proof :)= 22:09:42 <SpComb> if you want a silent computer: Drill a hole through the wall from your computer desk to another room. Purchase vga and usb extension cords for, say, . Stick the computer in the other room on the other side of the wall 22:10:10 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause2: if it's a maxtor, then yes, it does 22:10:16 <Bjarni> SpComb: tried that... it's not as good as you might think 22:10:21 <SpComb> how so? 22:10:59 <Bjarni> then there is sound and then there is optic drive and then you can hear the computer next to the wall in the next room 22:11:02 * SpComb would never leave anything important on a maxtor without a 120mm fan a couple mm from it 22:11:22 <SpComb> then get one of those kvm-over-cat5... 22:11:33 <Bjarni> kvm? 22:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i believe i got mostly western digital HDDs 22:12:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> anything from 80MB to 500GB 22:13:00 <Bjarni> what is kvm-over-cat5? 22:13:02 * SpComb is currently planning on purchasing three 250 GB SATA2 drives from various manufacturers and setting up some nice raid 22:13:13 <Bjarni> I know of power over cat5, but that's not needed here 22:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> i only ever got one HDD failing, and that might be because i actually (slightly) bumped it against the wall 22:13:17 <SpComb> keyboard-video-mouse over cat5 cabling 22:13:25 <Bjarni> ahh 22:14:16 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03EB1.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:14:25 <Bjarni> that would place the whole computer in the basement and then only the monitor, keyboard and mouse at your location? 22:14:30 <Bjarni> cool 22:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> that could be fun 22:14:58 <Bjarni> but... 22:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> but you still need like a DVD drive within reach of your hands 22:15:05 <Bjarni> what about sound and optical drive? 22:15:09 *** mikk36[EST] [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:15:44 <Sacro> hmm, bluetooth LCD 22:16:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> what are cat 7 cables good for? 22:16:37 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: noose 22:16:50 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc7.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> my dad wants me to place network cables into the walls, and i need to decide what to get 22:16:53 <Bjarni> http://www.hallresearch.com/products/kvm/U97A.htm <-- this is what we need, only we need one with DVI and usb instead ;) 22:17:17 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: at work we use Cat5e 22:17:21 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: that's easy.... cat6 ethernet 22:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> the question is also, do i need to rip them out and replace them in 5 years? or 20 years? 22:18:14 <Bjarni> it's not that much more than cat5/5e and you should plan ahead. The cables will likely be there in 10 years and eventually you would like it to handle Gbit communications :) 22:19:56 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> the question is also, do i need to rip them out and replace them in 5 years? or 20 years? <-- hard to say, but the odds are that cat6 will likely be the one, that is useful for the longest time. Ethernet is a very commonly used standard and will be for years to come, so the fastest ethernet is likely to be valid for many years to come 22:20:05 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:20:48 <Bjarni> think about all the places around the world, that invested in putting up ethernet... they are likely customers to solutions where they don't need to replace the cables and you can benefit from products that they will get ;) 22:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> the other question is, am i still gonna live here in 5 years, or in 20 years? ;) 22:24:02 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:15 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 22:25:13 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 22:28:14 *** BurningFeetMan [n=BurningF@CPE-203-51-109-69.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:29:00 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:31:50 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 22:32:02 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:35:06 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["BBl"] 22:38:36 *** aequitas [n=aequitas@ip503c308c.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 22:41:45 <RichK67> quick question... how many tonnes of coal are needed for 1Mw of electricity production? 22:42:51 <glx> depends of coal quality :) 22:43:09 <RichK67> good quality OTTD coal of course 22:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> Kohle 22:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> Brennwert 22:43:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> [kWh / kg] 22:43:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> 6,9-7,0 22:45:05 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> so if you burn 1 tonne of coal per hour, you get 7MW 22:45:12 <Bjarni> I once saw a drawing/schematic of a coal powered powerplant, that had an efficiency of 38% 22:45:27 <Bjarni> I think some gets even higher 22:45:37 <Bjarni> though some are lower 22:45:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> minus efficiency, of course 22:45:43 <RichK67> so what is reasonable output from an OTTD 120 tonne coal train? 22:46:14 <Mucht> Bjarni: some 45% in modern coal power plants 22:46:14 <Bjarni> 120*7*0,38 22:46:26 <Bjarni> ok 22:46:26 <Mucht> (as stated on wikipedia ) 22:46:29 <Bjarni> 120*7*0,45 22:46:43 <Bjarni> not unlikely 22:46:59 <RichK67> 378Mw? 22:47:11 <RichK67> sounds too high 22:47:16 <Bjarni> on top of that, the "wasted" energy tends to be used to heat up nearby houses, so it's not completely wasted 22:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> you should rather calculate MWh 22:48:03 <Bjarni> 7 kWh/kg = 7 MWh/t 22:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then divide that value by the length of the month, or something 22:48:33 <Mucht> fyi - the largest german coal power plants achieve some 200-2500 MW 22:48:47 <Sacro> dont forget _patches.day_length :) 22:48:51 <Bjarni> MW != MWh 22:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, that was my point 22:49:12 <Sacro> 1MWh = 1MW in 1 h 22:49:23 <Mucht> yes 22:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, the other way round 22:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> 1MW = 1MWh in 1h 22:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> MW = MWh/h 22:49:49 <Mucht> even more true 22:49:55 <Mucht> :-P 22:49:56 <Bjarni> you can get high MWh with low MW (for a long while) and low MWh with high MW (for a short time) 22:49:59 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: "a = b +c" === " b + c = a" 22:50:00 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5C37.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:50:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: but not "a=b+c" === "b=a+c" 22:51:07 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: depends if a == b 22:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: === has stronger conditions than == ;) 22:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> it must be == for ALL instances of a and b 22:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it can never depend on a and b 22:52:42 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: MW tells how fast the energy is flowing out of the powerplant while MWh tells how much energy in total it delivers... let's say that we want to heat up a piece of metal (we forget about losing heat to ambient). MW tells how fast it raises a degree while MWh tells the end temperature, but not how fast it will reach it 22:52:43 <Bjarni> got it? 22:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i do know what MW and MWh is, yes :) 22:53:22 <Bjarni> good 22:53:45 <Bjarni> I see that I explained it to you and right now you know what it means, so I'm a good teacher :) 22:53:53 <Bjarni> :P 22:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> important is, that YOU belive in it ;) 22:54:31 <Bjarni> now I fail to see the problem 22:54:36 * Sacro yawns 22:54:44 <Mucht> hehe 22:54:54 <Mucht> so whats the output of 120 tons of coal now ;-) 22:56:19 <Sacro> a lot of steam... 22:56:45 <Frostregen> still the same as before ;) 22:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> 120 tonnes per (31 day) month: 120*7*0,45/31/24 22:56:50 <RichK67> 378MWh ... spread over a month, it is still 378 22:57:55 <RichK67> nope, its still 378. you produce that power, you just dont produce it continuously for the whole month 22:58:21 <RichK67> that would be a 120tonne train per hour to do that 22:58:28 <Frostregen> ^^ 22:58:30 <RichK67> i think 22:58:38 <RichK67> probably incorrectly 22:58:43 <Frostregen> and the possibility to burn that amount in 1 hour 22:58:53 <Bjarni> 378 MWh is 378 MWh nomatter if you produce it evenly over a month or in a year or a single day 22:58:59 <RichK67> ty :) 22:59:11 <RichK67> bye bye daylength :) 22:59:30 <Mucht> hehe 22:59:31 <Mucht> gn 22:59:33 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:59:52 <Sacro> http://www.abandonia.com/games/855/ATrain.htm :D 22:59:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> from 120 tonnes of coal you can produce 378 MWh energy, no matter how long it takes you to burn it 23:00:17 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:29 <RichK67> good... im going to approximate it at 3x ... ie. 120t coal = 360MWh 23:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you deliver 120 tonnes of coal per month, that equals an average output of 0.5 MW 23:01:11 <RichK67> yeah 0.5MW average, but still 378MWh total 23:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes 23:04:30 <Bjarni> <Clinton> "Here in canada, we have a special program to deal with the homeless, its called "winter"" <--- they should export that concept to India to solve their over populating problems 23:08:36 <Bjarni> no replies... 23:08:38 <Bjarni> :( 23:08:47 <Sacro> none at all :( 23:08:57 * Sacro sets up Transport Tycoon 23:08:58 <Frostregen> all thinking about MW and MWh 23:09:14 <hylje> mWh 23:09:22 <Bjarni> did you all try to search for the Canadian winter to move it to India? 23:09:32 <Bjarni> you know, it's kind of hard to find it at this time of the year 23:10:12 <Bjarni> hylje: mWh is not that much.... it's 0,001 Wh or 0,000 000 001 MWh 23:10:46 <Sacro> i think MWh was meant 23:11:22 <hylje> yeh, but thats what i'd aim for power conservation 23:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> for that, you rather aim for eV ;) 23:13:50 <BurningFeetMan> Hey peoples 23:14:05 <Sacro> :( i cant run TT 23:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> we have entire peoples here? i did not know that, where are they hiding? 23:14:15 <RichK67> what a shame... _industry_specs is saved, and so i cant see the MWh output of the Pile Transport power station :( 23:15:56 <Frostregen> just calculate it yourself 23:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Frostregen: the problem is rather not the calculation, but the gathering of the data ;) 23:16:49 <Frostregen> i meant that 23:16:59 <RichK67> when the industry type in industry spec is CT_INVALID, it doesnt accumulate the total delivered 23:17:02 <Frostregen> add the montly output from all connected coal mines 23:17:18 <RichK67> have you *seen* Pile Transport????? 23:17:22 <hylje> Eddi|zuHause2: metric people 23:17:22 <Frostregen> no =) 23:17:35 <RichK67> :) 425 trains, mostly coal 23:17:40 <RichK67> 1 power station 23:17:44 <Frostregen> lol 23:17:49 <Frostregen> sounds funny 23:17:52 <RichK67> its awesome 23:17:55 <hylje> screenshots 23:17:59 <RichK67> and i only have the early one 23:18:00 *** ammler [n=marcel@49.148.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #openttd [] 23:18:00 <Frostregen> save? 23:19:19 <RichK67> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Mainserver:Archive about halfway down... by then its over 1000 trains 23:19:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> hylje: 1eV = 1.602*10^-19 Ws ;) 23:20:02 <Frostregen> hmm, couldn't you use the delivered cargo amount from detailed ratings? 23:20:12 <Frostregen> if everything is just coal to this one plant? 23:20:41 <Bjarni> http://www.bash.org/?417076 <--- hahaha, one of the funniest quotes that I have seen in ages 23:20:54 <RichK67> not the point.. im doing a patch that shows what is done at a power station, but it seems it only works on new games 23:20:56 <Bjarni> Bamihap must have a dirty mind 23:20:59 <Bjarni> :P 23:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> RichK67: update the struct on loading older saves? 23:21:56 <RichK67> its a bit hackish, but i could... heck, the whole patch is a hack really 23:22:05 <RichK67> but less hackish than it was 23:22:06 <RichK67> :) 23:22:11 <hylje> :o 23:22:17 <hylje> when it's enterprise-ready 23:22:27 <RichK67> fun working with an r366 patch ;) not much is the same 23:22:52 <RichK67> yes, 366 - not missing a char... 23:23:27 <RichK67> im updating it 5150 revisions ;) 23:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was like 3000 revisions before i came here ;) 23:23:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:27:15 <hylje> oh wow 23:27:19 <hylje> WORLD DOMINATION AIRPORT 23:28:14 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-82-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"] 23:28:37 <BurningFeetMan> My mate is playing Open TTD for the first time :D He writes, 23:28:38 <BurningFeetMan> *spoon says: * 23:28:40 <BurningFeetMan> are you able to turn down breakdowns a touch? 23:28:41 <BurningFeetMan> if I was qantas, I'd be upset if my 1 year old concorde broke down twice in its first year 23:29:30 <hylje> :> 23:30:33 <RichK67> oh cool... Pile Transport... one month: 23,976MWh :) 23:32:14 <BurningFeetMan> RichK67, what are you calculating? 23:32:24 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 23:32:32 <ems> mwh? 23:33:16 <RichK67> im writing a patch for MiniIN that gives the power output of power stations given coal... 23:33:35 <RichK67> 1 tonne coal ~= 3 MWh 23:33:49 <ems> and the power does what? 23:34:09 <hylje> nothing 23:34:09 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:34:13 <RichK67> so in the Pile Transport game, the mega-coal dropoff power station got 7,992 tonnes of coal = 23,976MWh 23:34:24 <hylje> i think it should boost a nearby city to grow faster 23:34:55 <RichK67> dont even go there ;) 23:34:59 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:35:30 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-141-247.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:36:14 <BurningFeetMan> MiniIN sounds fun... where can I learn more about it? 23:36:23 <ems> yes 23:36:26 <hylje> yes 23:36:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a MiniIN thread in the tt-forums 23:37:04 <hylje> miniin+ukrs=win 23:37:28 <Sacro> ftw :D 23:37:35 <Sacro> hylje: you just know you want to set up a server 23:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i really do not get what people see so special in ukrs 23:38:24 <hylje> yes 23:38:36 <hylje> and i have it set up as well 23:38:42 <hylje> does it desync much nowadays+ 23:38:55 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCA1028.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 23:39:50 <BurningFeetMan> All I have running at the moment is OpenTTD 0.4.7, with nothing else. 23:39:55 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:40:11 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: realism 23:40:35 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B37135.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:41:37 <CIA-8> richk * r5527 /branches/MiniIN/ (6 files in 4 dirs): 23:41:37 <CIA-8> [MiniIN]: [ElectricityProduction]: Added patch to show output of power stations in MWh. 23:41:37 <CIA-8> Many thanks to ln- for original idea, and r366 patch as guide. Totally rewritten for MiniIN. 23:41:43 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B78874.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:43:36 *** Oktal [n=mat@cpc4-rdng3-0-0-cust965.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["Boring generic quit message"] 23:45:03 <Sacro> RichK67: totally rewritten? wasnt it 7 lines :) 23:46:25 <Eddi|zuHause> svn diff? 23:46:43 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: heh 23:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you see exactly what RichK67 submitted, and the original patch is somewhere above in the chatlog 23:47:46 <RichK67> yup, no lines survived intact i think 23:47:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and can compare those 23:49:25 <RichK67> this is what it looks like: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=469286#469286 23:52:02 <RichK67> sorry, i tell a lie... one line got through... + if(i->produced_cargo[0] != NUM_CARGO) 23:52:45 <BurningFeetMan> Hey that's cool. 23:53:21 *** bp0 [i=pburt0@watertownDHCP-2.216-254-231.iw.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:54 <RichK67> it also means that the power stations are now meaningful in the industry list 23:53:55 <Sacro> heh :) 23:54:15 <bp0> hello, sometimes the server list only shows the list of ips and I have to manually click each item and then "refresh server". 23:54:21 *** spoon [n=spoon@203.220.47.90] has joined #openttd 23:54:24 *** spoon is now known as Matex 23:54:25 <RichK67> if you supply it, it doesnt still show as blank 23:54:28 <bp0> I was wondering if there is a fix for this? 23:54:42 <RichK67> do you run Norton AV? 23:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> are you now in the mood to look at www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/german.miniin.diff ? 23:55:01 <RichK67> my Norton AV worm protection blocks the return info 23:55:13 <RichK67> if i switch it off, bingo, OTTD works perfect 23:55:20 <bp0> RichK67: alright. thanks 23:55:45 <BurningFeetMan> cats 23:56:04 <Matex> lolcats 23:58:50 <BurningFeetMan> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=24423&highlight=miniin 23:58:59 <BurningFeetMan> Is this the mod you speak of? 23:59:35 <Sacro> damn the Royal Mail 23:59:51 <RichK67> yup... more of a full blown build, than a mod :)