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00:07:38 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 00:11:30 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 00:19:20 <Sacro> !seen jonty 00:23:23 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:27:15 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:28:18 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:30:39 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 00:30:45 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:32:10 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 00:32:13 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 00:34:27 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:41:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B76F3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:43:35 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC51A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:51:11 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc1-hem12-0-0-cust93.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:57:36 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 01:02:10 *** marcf [n=rotaks@CPE-144-131-202-204.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:04:07 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-151-210.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 01:14:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B7714D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:07 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 01:15:35 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 01:18:47 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["BBL"] 01:29:56 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691916102.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:32:24 *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691916102.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 01:33:38 <Frostregen> [01:58:31] <Sacro> Frostregen: errr. http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26105 WTF :| 01:33:44 <Frostregen> looks nice eh? =) 01:40:03 <mikk36> :) 01:53:06 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:58:10 <mikk36> lol, just too good :D 01:58:10 <mikk36> http://public.inf.sgsp.edu.pl/SMIECHY/yes_no.swf 02:04:56 <Frostregen> quite old, but good ;) 02:07:09 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:10:23 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2CB55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:12:00 <mikk36> hadn't seen that one :) 02:14:05 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 02:15:05 *** marcf [n=rotaks@CPE-144-131-202-204.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 02:20:04 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:22:33 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E366.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:22:33 *** dp is now known as dp-- 02:23:04 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-208-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! 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This fixes some graphical glitches near bridges 07:49:01 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181089122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:26 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947EE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:03:44 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 08:06:23 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:06:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:10:06 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:17:25 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 08:17:40 <Wolf01> yo 08:29:43 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 08:31:41 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:39:39 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has quit ["leaving"] 08:40:06 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:42:10 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 08:50:51 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:30 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:03:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 09:03:43 <Darkvater> hello guys :) 09:07:34 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-151-164.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:09:56 <peter1138> Darkvater! \o/! 09:10:23 <Darkvater> :D 09:10:39 <Darkvater> Is the channel this dead or did I become unwanted? :) 09:10:53 <Wolf01> hi Darkvater 09:11:08 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 09:11:16 <CIA-5> tron * r5642 /branches/bridge/ (78 files in 3 dirs): Sync with trunk up to 5641 09:12:04 <Darkvater> how's life? 09:13:39 <peter1138> we were in mourning 09:13:52 <peter1138> cos you'd been away so long 09:14:05 <Darkvater> ah, that is so sweet. But alas I am back ^^ 09:14:12 <Darkvater> hi Wolf01|AFK 09:18:15 <Tron> hi Darkvater 09:18:17 <Tron> peter1138? 09:18:39 <Darkvater> heya Tron 09:18:43 <Bjarni> Darkvater: nice to see you 09:18:48 <Bjarni> so you didn't die 09:18:49 <Darkvater> anyone else awake at this ungodly hour? :) 09:19:00 <Darkvater> nop, sorry bjarni, you'll have to try harder next time 09:19:04 <Bjarni> we started to wonder since it took a while for you to get back 09:19:17 <Bjarni> we need to release 0.4.8-RC2/0.4.8 09:19:37 <Bjarni> I failed to find anybody to make windows binaries :( 09:20:09 <Darkvater> hmm... that's sucky. I'll see what to do tonight. Still in a state of resting and unpacking 09:20:12 <Darkvater> just dropped by :) 09:20:19 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Is the channel this dead or did I become unwanted? :) <-- you mean one rules out the other option? 09:20:26 <Bjarni> :P 09:20:44 <Darkvater> :) 09:21:02 *** Maedhros [n=jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:10 <Darkvater> bleh. Be with you guys a bit later, need to do some serious unpacking 09:27:22 <Tron> peter1138: mr. nelson? 09:28:47 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 09:31:16 *** wolf^ [i=wolf@pld-linux/wolf] has joined #openttd 09:34:07 <peter1138> hmm, screen locked up o_O 09:37:07 <Rexxie> Darkvater is back, REJOICE! 09:46:45 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:49:29 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:52:09 *** mg [n=mrg@mc101-020.multicon.pl] has joined #openttd 09:52:45 <mg> Hi. How to replace destroyed in accident car with new one? 09:53:46 <peter1138> build a new one 09:54:08 <mg> do I have to do it by hand? 09:54:12 <peter1138> yes 09:54:25 <peter1138> if the destroyed vehicle is still around, you can copy its order list 09:54:28 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Website 09:54:31 <peter1138> but that's about it 09:55:05 <Rexxie> if the destroyed vehicle is still around, you can just click clone on it ;) 09:55:22 <mg> which button is it ? 09:55:43 <Rexxie> theres a button in the depots called "Clone vehicle", I believe 09:56:29 <mg> probably, but that vehicle lays on road after collision fiwh ufo ;o 09:56:40 <mg> s/fiwh/with/ 09:57:26 <Rexxie> yea, you just go to a depot, click clone vehicle, then click on the vehicle involved in the collision 09:57:49 <Rexxie> and it'll clone the train (engine, wagons, orders and all) 09:58:02 <peter1138> oh yeah, cloning, heh 10:01:03 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC548C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:46 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 10:09:04 <CIA-5> truelight * r5643 /branches/makefile/Makefile: [Makefile] -Fix: also rebuild if LIBS or LDFLAGS are changed 10:09:27 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 10:18:31 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 10:19:16 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #Openttd 10:19:56 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc1-hem12-0-0-cust93.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["/quit"] 10:20:36 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 10:21:14 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 10:21:19 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:22:27 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 10:26:35 <Rexxie> are trees planted every tick? I found a reference to _trees_tick_ctr, but I cant see it being set anywhere.. 10:26:51 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:27:49 <Wolf01> maybe the grow is in ticks 10:27:52 <Rubidium> tree_cmd.c:544: if (--_trees_tick_ctr != 0) return; 10:27:54 <Rubidium> tree_cmd.c:577: _trees_tick_ctr = 0; 10:28:25 <Rubidium> both statements set/modify the variable 10:29:36 <Rexxie> that I can see, I just dont see how it works.. its being set to zero, then it decrements every tick and checks if its zero? 10:30:35 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:33:16 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3F812.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:19 <Rubidium> though the tree plant algorithm is not very straight-forward; the TileLoop_Trees makes forests larger and OnTick_Trees tries to place a tree every tick in desert/rainforest climate and every 256 ticks in the others 10:36:36 <Rexxie> ah 10:36:58 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 10:37:10 <Rexxie> thanks for clearing that up :) 10:46:04 <Rubidium> you're welcome :) 10:46:50 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3E70E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:58:21 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75599.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:02 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:01:38 <mg> How to make government allow build? 11:03:56 <ThePizzaKing> mg: Plant trees around the town 11:04:43 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:06:03 <mg> hyh ok 11:10:52 <mg> does it work with delay, or straight away ? 11:12:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B7714D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:13:25 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc1-hem12-0-0-cust93.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:15:48 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:17:16 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 11:19:29 <edeca> mg: It's pretty much straight away 11:19:38 <edeca> mg: Just build trees in a 20x20 square repeatedly 11:19:50 <edeca> mg: That will raise their happiness 11:20:51 <mg> ahm 11:21:10 <mg> i planted many trees but in intervals 11:21:27 <edeca> Just drag a huge square 11:21:32 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit ["Connection not reset by peer."] 11:21:34 <edeca> And do it multiple times until they are fully grown 11:22:05 <mg> ahm 11:24:13 <mg> lol, I planted so many tries 11:24:16 <mg> trees 11:24:24 <mg> but no effect 11:24:41 <mg> I got 0.4 version 11:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have to plant the trees near the town in question... 11:25:21 <mg> hehe yes 11:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can look at that town's rating 11:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> and afaik, only the first tree placed on an empty field changes the rating 11:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> avoid destroying any trees 11:28:37 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 11:29:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-210-91.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:29:45 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 11:29:51 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:29:59 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:30:58 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:32:50 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C268.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:43:31 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACCEE964.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 11:51:10 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 11:52:34 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit [Client Quit] 11:52:42 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 12:12:51 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:20:36 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 12:21:07 <Frostregen> hi Wolf01 12:21:16 <Wolf01> hi Frostregen 12:21:30 <Frostregen> any new bugs? 12:22:13 <Wolf01> i not tested it today 12:22:25 *** Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #openttd 12:22:49 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-210-91.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 12:22:49 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:23:05 <Frostregen> [01:58:31] <Sacro> Frostregen: errr. http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26105 WTF :| 12:23:41 <Frostregen> doh, he just left 12:23:50 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-210-91.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:24:12 <Wolf01> doh, he just come back 12:24:20 <Frostregen> [01:58:31] <Sacro> Frostregen: errr. http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26105 WTF :| 12:24:28 <Frostregen> Sacro: don't like the colours? =) 12:24:53 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:21 <Frostregen> found another glitch 12:27:32 <Frostregen> only own stations should be listed 12:27:45 <Wolf01> eheh 12:28:02 <Wolf01> subsidiaries too 12:28:13 <Wolf01> but only if enabled in patches 12:28:39 <Frostregen> hm 12:28:53 <Wolf01> but is not a bad idea to link your station with the AI one XD 12:29:04 <Frostregen> hehe 12:29:21 <Frostregen> it just complains, it is too close to the AI station 12:29:51 <Wolf01> you can ever build a station adjacent with the CTRL 12:31:58 <Frostregen> yes, i mean if you want to join it with the ai station 12:33:55 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:34:08 <Wolf01> do you remember yesterday, the docks issue? 12:34:58 <Frostregen> yes 12:35:01 <Frostregen> still there? 12:35:23 <Wolf01> if there aren't problems with ships i don't see any problem to allow to join more docks 12:35:42 <Frostregen> dock deletion is a problem 12:35:53 <Frostregen> the "CmdRemoveDock" has to be modified too 12:36:06 <Frostregen> and ships...idk 12:36:44 <Frostregen> i guess there is some optimisation too 12:36:52 <Frostregen> we'll better leave it as is 12:37:07 <Wolf01> i agree, for now 12:37:20 <Wolf01> maybe in a far far future... 12:37:24 <Frostregen> ;) 12:37:53 <Frostregen> now, gather some people, test it with multiplayer 12:38:10 <Frostregen> if everything is ok, ask richk to include it 12:40:25 <Wolf01> ok, desynched 12:41:09 <Wolf01> i didn't build anything 12:43:11 <Wolf01> bah 12:43:15 <Wolf01> now works 12:45:41 <Wolf01> bah client #x is slow 12:45:50 <Wolf01> i can lag on localhost 12:45:55 <Wolf01> -.- 12:47:11 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 12:48:00 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5644 /branches/TGP/ (TODO.TGP clear_cmd.c genworld_gui.c): [TGP] -Codechange: removed some duplicate/unnecessary code, fixed alignment of widget table and made a few comments clearer 12:49:17 <Wolf01> maybe station_spread really influences the game 12:49:25 <Wolf01> i use 60 XD 12:49:42 *** Osai is now known as Osai^lunched 12:50:25 <Frostregen> lol ;) 12:55:03 <Frostregen> maybe we should implement an "old-style" feature 12:55:44 <Wolf01> like "enable the new build station behaviour" in configure patches? 12:55:52 <Frostregen> something like that 12:56:03 <Frostregen> however 12:56:15 <Frostregen> this comes down to setting max_dist = 1 12:58:18 <Wolf01> _patches.adjacent_stations ? max_dist = _patches.station_spread : max_dist = 1; 12:58:37 <Frostregen> yup 12:58:49 <Frostregen> maybe call it distant_join 12:58:54 <Wolf01> yes 12:59:21 <Frostregen> adjacent station behavior can't be optional 12:59:55 <Wolf01> just see the patch preview i posted in the topic and change CONDVAR to CONDBOOL and some arguments to fix it 13:00:11 <Frostregen> ok 13:00:44 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:00:44 <Wolf01> (and the name of the variable and the description on english.txt) 13:02:56 <Noldo> my wife's 7 year old sister wants to plant trees and destroy trees but she's run out of money, how do I cheat more money for her? :) 13:03:16 <Frostregen> strg+alt+c 13:03:31 <Wolf01> sell some tracks, don't cheat XD 13:03:35 <Noldo> thanks 13:03:55 <Noldo> Wolf01: it's only a matter of time before she wastes those too :) 13:04:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> you might have to press ctrl+alt+win+c 13:05:32 <Frostregen> if you have trillian or something which intercepts ctrl+alt+c 13:06:26 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:17:04 <Frostregen> works well 13:17:08 <Frostregen> just one thing 13:17:19 <Frostregen> this HAS to be network synched 13:17:39 <Frostregen> is this automatic? 13:18:26 <Wolf01> uhm, with 0 is saved, with NS is server side but not saved, with S is not saved at all 13:19:29 <Frostregen> 0 implies ns? 13:19:58 <Wolf01> uhm, i think not 13:20:16 <Frostregen> hm, i think 0 is fine 13:20:38 <Frostregen> other critical settings have 0 too 13:22:59 <Wolf01> uhm, yes 0 implies NS 13:23:10 <Frostregen> ok 13:23:16 <Frostregen> i think with 0 its written into the savegame 13:23:29 <Wolf01> yes 13:23:41 <Frostregen> ok, so NS should be sufficient 13:25:58 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #openttd 13:29:05 *** Osai^lunched is now known as Osai 13:29:19 <Frostregen> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=474005 13:30:51 <kbrooks> i need a .deb file for openttd. 13:34:20 <Wolf01> you already modified the copypaste to allow copying stations? 13:34:49 <Frostregen> no ;) 13:34:59 <Frostregen> this still needs some thinking 13:36:05 <CIA-5> truelight * r5645 /branches/makefile/Makefile: 13:36:05 <CIA-5> [Makefile] -Fix: it didn't compile on *nix anymore (small glitch) 13:36:05 <CIA-5> [Makefile] -Fix: split the config.cache in a linker and compile part 13:36:05 <CIA-5> [Makefile] -Fix: make the config.cache part a bit smoother 13:43:17 <CIA-5> truelight * r5646 /branches/makefile_rewrite/: 13:43:17 <CIA-5> [MakefileRewrite] -Branch: because we need the branch Makefile around 13:43:17 <CIA-5> for finalizing the current new code, and we want to continue with some 13:43:17 <CIA-5> more radical ideas, a new branch is needed where we can move stuff 13:43:18 <CIA-5> around without hurting the current code. 13:44:05 <Wolf01> uhm, there is a patch that allow building diagonal roads? 13:45:14 <Wolf01> i think these track graphics could fit for diagonal roads: http://www.tt-forums.net//files/4x2nclbt_3h43x43_195.png 13:46:33 <kbrooks> i need a .deb file for openttd! link! 13:46:47 <Wolf01> http://www.openttd.com/nightly.php 13:47:02 <Wolf01> try to look here 13:47:10 <kbrooks> ty 13:47:25 <kbrooks> a .deb 13:47:41 <kbrooks> i ont see any. :-) 13:47:55 <kbrooks> i ant .deb of 0.4.7 13:47:59 <kbrooks> want* 13:48:07 <glx> there is one for 0.4.7 on sourceforge I think 13:48:09 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php <- read that page good and you'll find it 13:48:43 <kbrooks> thx 13:52:02 <CIA-5> truelight * r5647 /branches/makefile_rewrite/TODO.makefile_rewrite: [MakefileRewrite] -Add: TODO of what is going to happen 13:52:07 <Sacro> 0.4.7 deb? 13:52:16 <Sacro> hmm, i could fire up Ubuntu and run one off 13:54:06 <kbrooks> it works Sacro 13:54:21 <Sacro> kbrooks: what does? 13:54:36 <kbrooks> Sacro: the prebuilt deb from sf 13:55:06 <Sacro> ooh, there is one already 13:55:11 <kbrooks> Sacro: er, installation works 13:55:12 <Sacro> but no pkg.tar.gz :( 13:55:33 <kbrooks> Sacro: maybe you can get from aur? 13:55:43 <Sacro> :O who told you about AUR 13:56:08 <kbrooks> you said "pkg.tar.gz" 13:56:10 <Sacro> :o your in #archlinux 13:56:38 <kbrooks> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=5158&O=0&L=0&C=0&K=openttd&SB=&SO=&PP=25&do_MyPackages=0&do_Orphans=0&SeB=nd 13:57:09 <Sacro> yeah, but at one point, Darkvater posted my already done package 13:58:27 <kbrooks> Sacro: what? 13:59:03 <Sacro> kbrooks: i did 0.4.7-1.pkg.tar.gz and it was up on SF 13:59:09 <Sacro> i heard a few mandrake users used it 13:59:30 <kbrooks> how is that even possible?!? 13:59:43 <glx> mandrake uses rpm 14:00:04 <kbrooks> glx: reread what Sacro said 14:00:26 <kbrooks> glx: he is talking about arch's, not mdk's, format 14:01:03 <glx> yeah but he said a few mandrake users used it 14:01:48 <CIA-5> truelight * r5648 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (450 files in 25 dirs): 14:01:48 <CIA-5> [MakefileRewrite] -Move: moved files all around the place. Sources to src/, binaries to bin/. 14:01:48 <CIA-5> -Note: this branch does NOT compile for now. 14:03:11 <Sacro> glx: its just a .tar.gz 14:03:21 <Sacro> just tar -xzf -C / 14:03:27 <CIA-5> truelight * r5649 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (src/win64.asm win64.asm): [MakefileRewrite] -Move: forgot one file :) 14:03:43 <Sacro> kbrooks: its just a binary 14:03:44 <kbrooks> you're telling me, Sacro. 14:06:07 <kbrooks> desync! 14:08:20 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 14:10:01 *** Brianetta is now known as Brianetta-1 14:11:49 <Maedhros> ooh, getting the snowline dropdown to actually do something in TGP was surprisingly easy :) 14:12:11 <Maedhros> you just have to change case 29 to case 28 in genworld_gui.c:265 14:12:29 <kbrooks> i have a rail link 14:13:26 <CIA-5> truelight * r5650 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (24 files in 6 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Move: some more files moved around and cleaned old Makefile related files 14:14:46 <Wolf01> Frostregen, found a bug: when building a station adjacent with the drag&drop sometimes join it directly without ask 14:15:48 <Frostregen> is more than 1 station around? and its not overlapping with another station? 14:17:04 <Wolf01> there is more than other station (there are 7 stations) and is not overlapping 14:18:16 <Wolf01> but seem to happen only when you build it at NE and NW of an existent station 14:18:43 <Frostregen> ok, found it 14:18:52 <Frostregen> w/h are switched 14:19:29 <CIA-5> bjarni * r5651 /branches/makefile/os/macosx/Makefile: [makefile] -codechange: renamed %.o.ppc into ppc/%.o for all OSX targets. Also applied changes to OSX can compile for all the CPU types again 14:20:23 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:23:15 *** Brianetta-1 is now known as test-pilot 14:23:52 *** test-pilot is now known as Brianetta 14:26:13 <kbrooks> whoooooo! 14:30:33 <Sacro> :o 14:30:40 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-210-91.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:32:45 <kbrooks> i made my frst roundabout :p 14:32:46 *** Brianetta is now known as test-pilot 14:32:59 <kbrooks> two stations connected to each other 14:32:59 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:33:06 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:33:09 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 14:33:29 <Wolf01> yo Darkvater 14:34:14 *** test-pilot is now known as Brianetta 14:35:13 <Wolf01> Darkvater you remember if there is already a patch that allows building diagonal roads? 14:35:37 <Bjarni> I don't think anybody ever published a patch like that. I never saw any 14:35:57 <Bjarni> somebody wrote about it on the forum, but I think it was photoshop only and no actual code 14:36:09 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 14:36:54 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:38:28 <Frostregen> Wolf01: v5 is out 14:38:49 <Wolf01> ok, i'll try it 14:43:40 <Wolf01> now works 14:43:58 <Frostregen> good 14:44:46 <Wolf01> i was writing about a new bug, but is only changed the behaviour XD 14:45:15 <Wolf01> to reuse the name of an early deleted station you have to hold CTRL 14:47:20 <Frostregen> if other stations are around, yes 14:49:17 <kbrooks> xhats the command To chANGE my nickname 14:49:30 <Frostregen> name 14:49:57 <Frostregen> or here in irc? 14:50:05 <kbrooks> no 14:53:52 <Wolf01> ok, next two projects: show catchement areas and diagonal roads 14:54:09 <Wolf01> so will make sense an autoroad tool 14:54:11 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5652 /trunk/industry_gui.c: -Fix [SF 1480301]: Industry production change button doesn't work 14:55:28 *** Noldo [i=vheino@lame.lut.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 14:55:28 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5653 /trunk/industry_gui.c: -Cleanup: Do a little cleanup of the industry gui code. 14:56:43 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5654 /trunk/industry_gui.c: -Cleanup: Change an ugly define into a function 14:56:53 <Bjarni> I just noticed a problem. Compiling YAPF fails big time when targeting OSX 10.2.x. It works perfectly on 10.3.x or newer though 14:57:30 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5655 /trunk/network_gui.c: -Fix [SF 1424115]: Reversed arrow-sign in the multiplayer list column headers on sort by name 14:58:05 *** Lord_damnit [n=trick77@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has joined #openttd 14:58:20 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5656 /trunk/settings_gui.c: -Fix [SF 1296259]: Autosave override. Changing autosave interval ingame should also change the default interval. 14:58:42 <Bjarni> I see that Darkvater is busy :) 14:58:56 <Darkvater> this was about 4 weeks worth of coding :P 14:59:23 <Darkvater> Wolf01: no there is none 15:00:30 <Bjarni> Darkvater: now the question is how many of those commits should be backported to 0.4 and then we got to do something about a new release 15:00:51 <Darkvater> the 3 SF ones ought to go back, then tonight RC2 15:01:32 <Brianetta> Can somebody do me a favour, and do this: /msg test-pilot fish 15:01:50 <Wolf01> Frostregen, seem the patch is ok, i post it in the MiniIN patches topic 15:01:58 <glx> [17:01:51] [NOTICE test-pilot]: Today's fish is Trout a la crème. Enjoy your meal. 15:02:00 <Brianetta> thanks glx 15:02:17 <kbrooks> go back where? 15:02:24 <Brianetta> autopilot is now capable of logging in to nickserv to send messages 15:03:29 <Frostregen> Wolf01: ok :) 15:22:27 <Wolf01> rail_cmd and road_cmd aren't so different 15:29:15 <Darkvater> yaaay...bjarni :) 15:33:03 <Born_Acorn> (15:36:06) <Bjarni> somebody wrote about it on the forum, but I think it was photoshop only and no actual code 15:33:18 <Born_Acorn> tmesisbob was working on it, and had screenshots. 15:34:58 <Born_Acorn> and eobet was working on a similar project. 15:35:43 <Wolf01> but nothing passed the "looking in the code" phase 15:36:05 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=7104&highlight= 15:37:10 <Wolf01> yes i remember 15:37:38 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/plunton_transport__18th_feb_1950.png <--Ingame screenshot 15:38:25 <guru3> geh 15:38:29 <guru3> does that really work? 15:38:36 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/trenford_transport__14th_feb_1936.png<-- another 15:38:44 <Born_Acorn> erk. http://www.tt-forums.net//files/trenford_transport__14th_feb_1936.png 15:39:07 <guru3> only looks a tiny bit weird 15:39:10 <Born_Acorn> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=177319#177319 15:39:14 <Born_Acorn> (for the post) 15:40:36 <Wolf01> the road should be wide like the rail with the fences 15:41:36 <Wolf01> [15:45:15] <Wolf01> i think these track graphics could fit for diagonal roads: http://www.tt-forums.net//files/4x2nclbt_3h43x43_195.png 15:41:59 <Bjarni> back 15:42:06 <guru3> lol 15:42:14 <Bjarni> what? 15:42:37 <Wolf01> w00t? 15:42:49 <Bjarni> ahh, that screenshot 15:42:55 <Darkvater> Bjarni: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=636365&aid=1518090&group_id=103924 15:42:59 <Bjarni> gives a whole new meaning to the term "roadtrain" 15:42:59 <Darkvater> look what I found ;) 15:43:34 <Bjarni> hmm 15:43:54 <Bjarni> I think I already looked at that one 15:44:10 <Wolf01> oh i also have another idea, i should write down it before it leave my mind 15:44:28 <Darkvater> Bjarni: just tried head and it crashes the same :( 15:45:12 <Darkvater> anyone know what's up with kudr? 15:46:25 <Born_Acorn> The fate of YAPF and PBS hangs in the balance without kudr! D: 15:46:38 <Darkvater> yes, but where is he? 15:46:47 <guru3> YAPF? 15:46:54 <Darkvater> no KUDr 15:46:57 <Bjarni> on a business trip or something like that 15:47:07 <Darkvater> ah, the bastard ;) 15:47:22 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=464473#464473 <- new idea, any feedback? 15:47:31 <Bjarni> actually I think he didn't really want to go but his boss left him little choice 15:49:10 <guru3> i like the catchment idea 15:50:33 <Darkvater> Wolf01: which is the new one? 15:50:41 <Wolf01> the first 15:50:55 <Wolf01> i put new ones on the top 15:51:22 <Darkvater> you mean in the scenario editor? 15:51:28 <Wolf01> no, also ingame 15:51:35 <Wolf01> with the buyland tool 15:51:40 <Bjarni> Darkvater: well, it crashes because it reads from a NULL pointer like it's a vehicle 15:51:48 <Bjarni> now the question is why 15:52:14 <Darkvater> I know it crashes, but I want you, the train-guru, to find out :) 15:52:40 *** Noldo [i=vheino@lame.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 15:52:51 <Bjarni> well, I figured out that it's a pointer issue 15:53:23 <Wolf01> but you can't figure why is the pointer NULL 15:53:54 <Bjarni> I think I can, but I haven't got that far yet 15:54:06 <Bjarni> looking at train_cmd.c line 908 15:54:16 <Bjarni> 908 is not a completely random number 15:54:39 <Bjarni> it's the number on an operational steam locomotive not far from here 15:54:58 <Bjarni> I guess there is a message in the fact that the crash happens in that line 15:55:08 <Bjarni> well, the function called in that line 15:59:15 <Bjarni> wanna hear something weird? 16:00:06 <Bjarni> the crash happens in disconnecting the engine from the original train, but only if it is added to another train where the last engine is a single unit engine and if it is behind that engine 16:00:32 <peter1138> i found a new train game 16:01:11 <Bjarni> one, that will not crash when moving engines around? 16:01:14 <peter1138> called "loco motion" 16:01:19 <Bjarni> that sounds really tempting right now 16:01:30 <Bjarni> err 16:01:43 <Bjarni> that do not sound like freeware 16:01:54 <Bjarni> or legal to download 16:02:15 <Wolf01> why? ottd is? 16:02:43 <Wolf01> or better: the data ottd uses is legal to download? 16:03:03 <Bjarni> I think peter1138 meant Locomotion and that game got an EULA 16:04:21 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181089122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 16:04:34 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/locomotion.png 16:04:50 <Wolf01> oh that game 16:05:06 <guru3> that's old school >< 16:05:37 <Wolf01> i think i can play it on my handheld calculator 16:05:44 <guru3> lol 16:06:48 <Wolf01> but old games are better than new ones, i think OTTD is really better than LOMO, chris hasn't learned from his errors 16:07:34 *** mg [n=mrg@mc101-020.multicon.pl] has left #openttd ["bye"] 16:08:03 <Wolf01> RollerCoaster railway ride has less problems than LOMO 16:12:16 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83863.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:14 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/locotitle.png 16:15:31 <peter1138> it's the ultimate train game, though 16:20:48 *** Lord_damnit [n=trick77@cable-dynamic-87-245-83-24.shinternet.ch] has quit [] 16:25:42 *** luckzeh [n=alcy@ipd50af103.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:34 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:34:10 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 16:34:37 *** Nickman [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 16:35:44 <Bjarni> peter1138: one thing is for sure: it's a game where gameplay is more important than cool graphics 16:38:01 <Wolf01> true 16:43:01 <Wolf01> some my friends told me that TTD is a bad game because has an old style graphic, i kicked them until i saw they reached the ceiling 16:44:03 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:46:28 <Bjarni> a friend of mine said that he tried OTTD, but not for long. He made one railroad and then another and yet another one and then he felt like he had tried that game and lacked new challenges 16:46:35 <Bjarni> oh well, his loss 16:47:56 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B83863.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:49:33 <Triffid_Hunter> did he make any stations or trains or even roads for that matter, or just lay track? 16:50:19 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c58-107-167-250.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 16:52:05 <Bjarni> I don't know 16:52:28 *** Frostregen_ [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-161-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:30 <Bjarni> well, he did get some trains to run and he made some money 16:52:40 <Bjarni> but I guess he didn't try anything but the railroad 16:52:56 <Bjarni> and I don't think he used any signals at all 16:55:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B77E85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:25 <Bjarni> this is indeed a weird bug 16:58:16 <Bjarni> the pointers are right, but then it tries to do something and it sets the destination pointer to NULL and then add the engine to that o_O 17:00:43 <Bjarni> it's a bit like the guy on bash.org, who built a robot and he said to his progress "it stands still for a while to collect info about what is around it and then it discards all of it and drives into the wall" 17:01:05 <Bjarni> everything is set up correctly and then for no reason it changes a pointer (that is set correctly) to NULL 17:03:02 <Triffid_Hunter> sounds like you need a breakpoint 17:04:07 <Bjarni> I just tried that 17:04:11 <Bjarni> didn't really help 17:04:17 <Bjarni> at least not much 17:04:44 <Bjarni> I clicked for each step and it was ok and all of a sudden it was NULL and I still don't know how it could be altered 17:05:46 <Rubidium> maybe something is writing outside of its array 17:06:28 <Bjarni> sounds possible except no arrays have been used 17:06:32 <Triffid_Hunter> Rubidium: debugger should have broken execution if something tried that, unless its crap.. Bjarni is your debugger crap? 17:06:33 <Bjarni> it's when disconnecting a wagon 17:06:54 <Bjarni> Triffid_Hunter: I don't think so. It's gdb 17:07:41 <Triffid_Hunter> Bjarni: If something in the code is altering memory without the debugger knowing, I want to know how 17:08:27 <Bjarni> I don't think that happened 17:08:34 <Bjarni> it's likely in there... somewhere 17:08:49 <Bjarni> also it appears to be overly complex to disconnect a wagon 17:08:58 <Triffid_Hunter> it'll be the step right before it changes :P 17:09:40 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-173-012.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:10:05 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:10:41 <Bjarni> I mean to disconnect a wagon, I would assume that only the wagon in front of it needs updating of the next pointer and then flushing the cache in the front engine (new weight), but it loops though all the wagons to do something else, like it's searching for something 17:11:01 <Triffid_Hunter> for(newlastwagon=train->firstwagon;newlastwagon->nextwagon->nextwagon; newlastwagon=newlastwagon->nextwagon); free(newlastwagon->nextwagon); newlastwagon->nextwagon=NULL; ? 17:11:26 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75599.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:12:07 <Triffid_Hunter> and the exact same thing in perl, for comparison's sake: delete wagons[$#wagons]; 17:12:56 <Triffid_Hunter> or even simply pop @wagons; 17:17:35 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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Just build two trains. 1 two dual-headed after each other and 2 single train 18:03:38 <Darkvater> moving the dual head will crash just as well 18:03:49 *** Trippledence_ is now known as Trippledence 18:03:51 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I think it is looking for the end-part of the dual-headed train 18:05:28 <UnderBuilder> I am unsure what do you mean with where is mounted but I can give that the disk that I am treating of mount is /dev/hda5 18:06:21 <glx> how do you try to access it after mount? 18:07:07 <Darkvater> hmmz, be back around 23H to do some codin' 18:09:00 <UnderBuilder> double-click in the hda5 icon 18:11:05 <glx> try to go in /mnt 18:14:33 <UnderBuilder> there are no disks :S 18:18:05 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176107043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:17 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:25:36 *** Rens2Website is now known as Rens2Sea 18:26:21 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 18:27:12 *** Noldo [i=vheino@lame.lut.fi] has quit ["Changing server"] 18:27:52 *** Noldo [i=vheino@lame.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 18:28:54 *** sayno [n=sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:56 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> Bjarni: I think it is looking for the end-part of the dual-headed train <-- I think so too, but when looking for the end part, I added a protection against v->next == null, yet it tries v = v->next when v is null 18:29:59 <Bjarni> don't ask me why 18:31:06 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:33:06 <Wolf01> vehicles doesn't get renewed: http://www.tt-forums.net//files/hellswijk_transport_6th_oct_2051_699.gif 18:33:06 <Wolf01> maybe is the pink color or is a bug? 18:33:17 <Bjarni> lol 18:33:23 <Bjarni> I just saw the funniest thing ever 18:33:49 <Bjarni> "fast forward fails to make joining a server go faster" 18:34:11 <Noldo> hihi 18:34:13 <Wolf01> lol 18:34:18 <Noldo> fast forwarfing life 18:34:27 <Noldo> that's something I've missed many times 18:36:42 <Wolf01> the best thing that misses in real life is copy-paste 18:36:51 *** sayno [n=sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:37:13 <Bjarni> search for clean socks would be nice 18:37:33 <Noldo> and the other half of the pair 18:37:44 <Bjarni> or rm -fr trashcan/* 18:38:10 <Bjarni> instead of actually walk away with it 18:38:34 <Bjarni> note: walking away from a party with a full trashcan is not considered a date 18:50:35 <UnderBuilder> a question: to where do I have to put the game files in debian linux? 18:52:16 <UnderBuilder> I mean in what folder 18:52:20 <Triffid_Hunter> UnderBuilder: /opt/ or /usr/share/games/ usually.. don't think debian has anything specifically different 18:53:23 <Triffid_Hunter> on my (gentoo) machine grfs and things go in /usr/share/games/openttd-svn/data 18:59:02 <UnderBuilder> thanks 18:59:20 <UnderBuilder> now I have my ottd runing on my linux :] 19:03:42 *** yanek [i=yanek@atlantis.mitranet.cz] has joined #openttd 19:05:54 *** l0gic [i=px@cr-217-129-228-208.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 19:05:54 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:06:12 *** l0gic [i=px@cr-217-129-228-208.netvisao.pt] has left #openttd [] 19:07:08 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:22 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181089122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:17:37 *** fusee [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:42 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:32:13 *** |Jeroen| [n=jerre@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:33:32 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B8045A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:34:08 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:34:20 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:05 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:39:58 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B81894.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:41:30 * Bjarni points at tokai|odw 19:41:33 <Bjarni> it's your fault 19:41:57 <Born_Acorn> That Church topic became too controversial! 19:42:16 <Bjarni> agreed 19:42:24 <Bjarni> can we remove it? 19:42:33 <Born_Acorn> Only move it to the spam forum. 19:42:46 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:42:50 <Born_Acorn> Tis forbidden to delete things. 19:42:55 <Bjarni> maybe I should do that 19:43:18 <Bjarni> but to be honest, I don't like having it on the forum at all 19:43:51 <Born_Acorn> Nobody can read it in the spam forum, so it's best to move it there. Then only moderators/admins can see it. 19:44:03 *** fusee [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:44:05 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com)"] 19:44:12 <Bjarni> I mean it's a thread about our game and then people starts to talk about terrorists and religious wars and other stuff that got nothing to do with the game 19:44:41 <Bjarni> it's the internet alright 19:44:48 <Born_Acorn> We'll be on t'news next for religious hatred. :p 19:45:07 <Born_Acorn> Well. Not us. 19:45:55 <Born_Acorn> Nevar mind. If it bother you too much, send it to the spam bin if you think it right. After all, deleting topics could land you in hot water with the administration. 19:48:11 <peter1138> HAVE 19:48:13 <peter1138> not got! 19:50:31 <Sacro> peter1138: hehe 19:50:36 <Bjarni> all your base got belong to us? 19:51:36 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 19:51:50 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:51:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:51:54 <Bjarni> o_O 19:51:58 <Bjarni> the window closed 19:52:23 <Bjarni> anyway this bug really sucks 19:52:28 <Bjarni> I can't find the cause of it 19:52:33 <Bjarni> it just behaves really odd 19:52:41 <Bjarni> like it's a corrupted savegame or something 19:54:10 <peter1138> is that the something-to-do-with-dual-head-engines bug? 19:54:59 <Bjarni> yeah 19:55:11 <Bjarni> it appears as the code is working and is not working at the same time 19:55:23 <Bjarni> and the data for the train is correct and wrong at the same time 19:55:35 *** UnderBuilder [n=usuario@168.226.105.27] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 19:55:36 <Bjarni> like it's some sort of super position bug 19:56:53 <peter1138> something like v->first not being reset... or something 19:58:23 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-232-185.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:58:51 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:58:52 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B8045A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Connection timed out] 19:59:11 <Bjarni> the savegame is ok 19:59:13 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:59:25 <Bjarni> I just reproduced this in a new game 19:59:50 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20:06:48 <|Jeroen|> does anybody know how to install on palm ? 20:08:11 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:11:49 <Bjarni> |Jeroen|: you mean OTTD on a palm or just installing software in general? 20:11:58 <|Jeroen|> ottd on palm 20:12:06 <|Jeroen|> i don't know how to get the data files on 20:12:14 <|Jeroen|> id did install the laucher prc from esoft 20:12:42 <Bjarni> well 20:12:47 <Bjarni> I have no idea :p 20:13:12 <Bjarni> at least I'm honest 20:13:17 <|Jeroen|> yeah :-p 20:13:35 <Bjarni> donate me a palm and I will give you an answer you can use 20:14:02 <Bjarni> that's called the research phase 20:14:18 <Bjarni> some people also call it bribery 20:14:31 <|Jeroen|> mhzz 20:14:43 <|Jeroen|> maby il just ask google, he isn't that greedy 20:15:25 <Rubidium> I think it is fund raising, as you do not intend to lie (I hope) :) 20:15:49 <Wolf01> :OOOO tmesisbob is alive and said "But please do feel free to ask me any questions about it, and I'll try to see if I can remember the answers" :OOO 20:15:59 <Wolf01> (about diagonal roads) 20:16:04 <Bjarni> actually I think I would be offended if anybody actually wanted to give me hardware like that.... it's not normal and something weird would happen 20:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> this screams for heisenberg... it's different for whoever looks at it ;) 20:22:58 <Born_Acorn> Aegir is coming again! 20:23:04 <Born_Acorn> behind the battlements! 20:23:14 <Born_Acorn> wrong channel! 20:24:58 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-170-146.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 20:32:12 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD5E03E95.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 20:33:49 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C268.versanet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 20:34:37 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 20:36:10 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:42:14 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 20:45:00 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181089122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:49:38 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 20:53:06 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176121021.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:53:32 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:53:59 *** sayno [n=sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:05 *** Trippledence_ [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:05 *** Trippledence [n=Trippled@cust183-dsl52.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:00:14 <sayno> Im a bit of a linux noob, can someone help me get openttd installed on Fedora 5 21:01:50 *** Neonox [n=Neonox@ip-80-226-170-146.vodafone-net.de] has quit ["muss wech"] 21:04:50 <Bjarni> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk openttd; cd openttd; make 21:05:12 <Bjarni> then move in the TTD files and execute openttd 21:05:32 <sayno> all of them? or just the grf's? 21:05:43 <Bjarni> the grf files+sample.cat 21:06:14 <Bjarni> also you can make a dir called gm and put the .gm files in there if you want music 21:06:28 <sayno> i need to mkdir grf? 21:06:34 <Bjarni> no 21:06:40 <Bjarni> put them in the data dir 21:06:44 <Bjarni> it's already there 21:07:20 <Bjarni> the source checkout will create that dir and it will contain the grf files we made on our own 21:07:45 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176107043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:08:02 <sayno> ok, now how do I run the game? 21:08:12 <Bjarni> ./openttd 21:08:37 <sayno> ok 21:08:39 <sayno> thanks 21:08:39 <Bjarni> add -m null if you didn't add the gm files (or waste a lot of CPU cycles due to constant searching for them) 21:08:46 <sayno> ah ok 21:09:02 <sayno> thanks a bunch 21:10:10 <Bjarni> it's actually a stupid gm player we got. It opens a file to play, fails and then instantly tries to open the next one, so you will have a lot of disk activity to check for the files 21:10:26 <Bjarni> we really should solve this, but nobody have looked at it so far 21:10:49 *** OwenS [n=OwenS@cpc1-stkn6-0-0-cust801.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:11:06 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:11:10 <glx> I though Belugas_Gone solved it 21:11:12 <sayno> haha, well if noone fixes it, maybe ill give it a shot in a few weeks 21:11:19 <sayno> need to learn my way around linux a bit better first though 21:12:14 <Bjarni> did Belugas solve it? 21:12:19 <Bjarni> I didn't notice 21:12:36 <glx> r5464 I think 21:13:24 <Bjarni> yeah 21:13:37 <Bjarni> and now that I read that log entry, I remember reading it 21:13:48 <Bjarni> it just slipped my mind right now 21:13:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the grf files need to go into the (existing) data dir 21:14:05 <Bjarni> sayno: you don't have to think about -m null anyway then ;) 21:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* don't respond to messages in buffer 21:14:47 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: we all know that we should not reply before reading everything and yet we do it anyway :p 21:14:49 <sayno> i moved the gm files over, but it doesnt really matter, havent gotten my sound working yet :P 21:15:18 <Bjarni> then I recommend that you solve your audio issue 21:15:45 <Bjarni> that is, unless you are deaf and then you can save CPU cycles by setting both music and sound fx to null 21:16:00 <sayno> I plan on it, ive been trying to figure out how to get my kernal source downloaded 21:16:20 <sayno> I have what should be the correct version of alsa to get my sound working but it has to have kernal source 21:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> can't it be easily done to check if there are .gm files around, and if not, assume -m null? 21:16:37 <glx> I had a lot of fun when configuring my cs4232 21:17:34 <glx> or cs4236 (never remember what sound chip I have) 21:17:40 <sayno> i have the new 82801G (snd-hda-intel) 21:17:58 <sayno> its on a dell laptop, so it shouldnt be too hard, lots of people have it :) 21:18:17 <glx> I have dell desktop :) 21:18:29 <SpComb> I'm happy I don't :) 21:18:38 <glx> I didn't pay it 21:20:07 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> can't it be easily done to check if there are .gm files around, and if not, assume -m null? <-- you really should read before writing.... it's an issue of the past. I just temporally forgot that we had committed a fix for this issue as it is mentioned later 21:20:33 <glx> hehe :) 21:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i read that, but did not understand the meaning right then ;) 21:21:18 <Bjarni> <glx> I didn't pay it <-- I didn't pay my computer either, but I paid FOR it. There is a big difference, specially for the computer store ;) 21:21:51 <sayno> its okay to have a dell if you have linux on it :P 21:22:01 <sayno> especially thier laptops, cause you can get REALLY good deals on them 21:22:09 * Bjarni wonders if sayno got a Dell with linux on it 21:22:24 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947EE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:22:40 <Bjarni> I read that Dell should me more expensive than Apple when it comes to price/speed of hardware 21:23:01 <OwenS> Bjarni: Dell are selling Linux PCs now. Workstations/Servers only 21:23:09 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 21:23:10 <SpComb> doesn 21:23:13 <sayno> I basically got a macbook pro with an x1600 21:23:19 <sayno> except I paid 0 21:23:20 <SpComb> 't that mean they have to hand back their windows license or something? :P 21:23:27 <OwenS> And they cost the same as the Windows versions. Does anyone need any more proof Windows is worseless? :P 21:23:36 <SpComb> I recall windows's oem licensing was a bit strict 21:24:58 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 21:25:25 <RichK67> woohoo!!! DV is back :) 21:25:37 <Darkvater> hiya RichK67 21:25:43 <Bjarni> <sayno> I basically got a macbook pro with an x1600 <-- will you honestly tell me that you got a computer more or less as good (except it can't run OSX) for less than half the price? 21:25:44 <RichK67> good break? 21:25:54 <sayno> yes 21:26:09 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I tried all night to find that stupid bug... so far it's hide itself pretty well :( 21:26:20 <sayno> im using it right now, 1.66ghz yonah core, 1gb ram, x1400, 40gb hd 15.4" lcd 21:26:27 <Darkvater> RichK67: yeah, pretty good. Had about zero time to do coding though. But it was nice 21:26:32 <Darkvater> Bjarni: that is not good :( 21:26:36 <sayno> its dual core of course, 2 physical cores 21:26:44 <RichK67> DV: best thing... 21:26:55 <SpComb> battery runtime / weight? :P 21:27:10 * SpComb has been eyeing IBM X40s on ebay 21:27:16 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-205-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:23 <sayno> batteries are last about 2 hrs playing wow in windows, 2.5 hours in linux, or about 3-4 hours in windows just browsing 21:27:34 <sayno> and weight is 6.9 lbs I think 21:27:40 <glx> sayno: be careful http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32550 :) 21:27:42 <Darkvater> RichK67: it depends. I thought to have some free time to do so, but didn't. I was really looking forward to it though 21:28:16 <RichK67> ah ok... 21:28:34 <sayno> haha holy cow. . . thats crazy 21:29:21 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I used a breakpoint and stepped though the whole process (btw I think we can speed it up since it appears that it makes a lot of not so important stuff) and it finds a pointer to the last wagon (as it should) and then it decides to use a NULL pointer instead. I still can't figure out why 21:31:41 <Darkvater> hmm, interesting 21:33:26 <Bjarni> somewhere the pointer changes, but I have yet to figure out where 21:33:46 <Darkvater> Bjarni: it only crashes if the train you move the dual-headed engine to has something after it, wagons for example 21:34:19 <Darkvater> only wagons 21:34:23 <Darkvater> an engine doesn't matter 21:34:32 <Darkvater> we can't do 0.4.8RC2 with this bug 21:34:37 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 21:34:41 <Bjarni> yeah, I tried to start a new game to reproduce this. It only happens if it is a dualheaded engine, that is moved to a train where the last engine is just one unit and that there are some wagons after it 21:35:26 <Darkvater> I think this means I have to look at it ;p 21:36:00 <Darkvater> wtf's unlinkwagon? 21:36:38 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:36:41 * Darkvater looks at cmdmoverailvehicle 21:36:55 <peter1138> oh, is the 0.4 tree affected too? 21:36:58 * Darkvater drops his jaws just at the sheer volume of that function 21:36:59 <Darkvater> yes 21:37:06 <peter1138> ^^ 21:37:17 <Darkvater> most troubling 21:37:26 <Darkvater> Bjarni: how fast can you compile? 21:37:34 <Bjarni> pretty fast 21:37:38 <Bjarni> I guess 21:38:34 <Darkvater> go back to before 0.4.5 to find the first revision that crashes :) 21:38:56 <Bjarni> ok 21:39:41 <Darkvater> no wait.. 21:39:44 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 21:39:45 <Darkvater> probably there for ages 21:39:55 <Darkvater> try 0.4.0.1 or whatever's before 0.4.5 first 21:40:00 <peter1138> afaict, it's introduced, or maybe just shows up, by bjarni's 'link-dual-head-engines-together' stuff 21:40:17 <Darkvater> was that before 0.4.5? 21:40:43 <peter1138> pass 21:41:07 <Darkvater> to the right wing, he goes.. goes ... around 2 people...kicks the ball 21:41:09 <Darkvater> GOAAAL 21:42:38 <peter1138> he does? 21:42:42 <peter1138> well i'm going to bed 21:43:00 <Darkvater> you bastard ;) 21:43:10 <Darkvater> all raise hands who do not have to work tomorrow 21:43:34 * Darkvater raises hands 21:44:00 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:12 <Darkvater> gn peter1138 21:44:17 <peter1138> you bastard! ;) 21:47:53 <Darkvater> Bjarni: what's an articulated part? 21:49:18 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 21:50:01 <CIA-5> richk * r5657 /branches/MiniIN/ (24 files in 4 dirs): 21:50:01 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [Physics]: Added hertogjan's Physics patch. This completely replaces Sirkoz's acceleration patch with real physics based on mass, resistance, etc. 21:50:01 <CIA-5> Many thanks to hertogjan for MiniIN version. 21:50:39 <Bjarni> Darkvater: so far we only use it for tenders in some newgrf sets 21:51:05 <Darkvater> ok 21:51:28 <Bjarni> basically there is a front of the vehicle (engine or wagon) and up to 8 or something units following it and nothing can be added in between them 21:51:56 <Bjarni> Dm3 should be articulated as well, but the arctic set is too old to use this feature 21:52:13 <Darkvater> so basically the end-part of an engine? 21:52:18 <Bjarni> yeah 21:52:31 <Darkvater> so the dual-headed engines are a hack, or the old-way? 21:52:57 <Bjarni> articulated are always together while dualheaded got an engine in each end of the train 21:53:01 <Bjarni> two different things 21:53:20 <Darkvater> hmm, nvm them...too difficult ;P 21:53:57 *** sayno [n=sayno@c-24-9-79-69.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:54:34 <Bjarni> odds are that this bug was introduced when I linked front and rear together. It could even be possible that we got this bug since rev 1, but I triggered it by presuming that the code to move units around worked 21:56:41 <Bjarni> interesting. Rev 3500 made the dep check twice before it started compiling 21:57:37 <Bjarni> not that it matters much 21:57:47 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 21:58:23 <CIA-5> richk * r5658 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.zip road_gui.c): 21:58:23 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [DriveThruStops]: Codechange: Behaviour changed to match TTDPatch so that building a road stop does not auto-connect the roads at each end. 21:58:23 <CIA-5> Many thanks to mart3p for update. 22:00:38 <SpComb> emphasis on the *gui* :P 22:00:39 <CIA-5> rubidium * r5659 /branches/TGP/ (22 files in 2 dirs): [TGP] -Sync with trunk up to revision 5656 22:00:47 <Bjarni> hmm, minor slowdown. I'm now so far back that teh cocoa drivers were not committed, so now I got an SDL issue 22:00:55 <Bjarni> aka I need to install SDL again :p 22:03:36 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:05:13 <CIA-5> richk * r5660 /branches/MiniIN/ (patches/MiniINpatches.zip train_cmd.c): 22:05:13 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [SendAlltoDepot]: Fix. Only start/stop the lead engine of a train. 22:05:13 <CIA-5> Many thanks to gigajum for fix. 22:11:04 <Bjarni> Darkvater: new issue. I can't compile 3217 or 3218 (I can compile 2500 though). I think this could have been introduced in 3218 22:11:21 <Bjarni> would you mind checking those 3218? 22:11:27 <Darkvater> can't compile? :) 22:11:57 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B81894.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Don't give me logic, give me emotions!"] 22:12:12 <Bjarni> SDL issue 22:12:20 <Bjarni> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: 22:12:20 <Bjarni> __Unwind_Resume 22:12:33 <Bjarni> the whole reason why we made the cocoa drivers in the first place 22:12:40 <Darkvater> he...perhaps later. In the middle of a couple checkouts and debug session 22:13:01 <Bjarni> it happened once in a while without much system to it and nobody could explain it 22:18:14 <CIA-5> richk * r5661 /branches/MiniIN/ (economy.c order_cmd.c patches/MiniINpatches.zip): 22:18:14 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [AdditionalOrders]: Fix. Trains with unload %age were doing an Unload All at stations that did not accept cargo. 22:18:14 <CIA-5> Fix by gigajum. 22:22:42 <Darkvater> Bjarni: found the problem 22:22:42 *** Dred_furst` is now known as Dred_furst 22:22:56 <Darkvater> are you with me for some tips to solve it? 22:23:46 <CIA-5> richk * r5662 /branches/MiniIN/ (industry.h industry_cmd.c patches/MiniINpatches.zip): 22:23:46 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [SmoothEconomy]: Update. Production increase is now affected somewhat in proportion to percentage of cargo transported. 22:23:46 <CIA-5> Many thanks to Sirkoz for MiniIN update. 22:24:44 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:25:08 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 22:25:51 <Bjarni> gah, it's a 52k changeset :( 22:26:03 <Bjarni> hopefully the bug was NOT introduced in that commit 22:26:17 <Darkvater> ok imagine the following train 22:26:23 <Darkvater> < dualheaded front 22:26:27 <Darkvater> > dualheaded end 22:26:37 <Darkvater> <] engine 22:26:39 <Darkvater> [] wagon 22:26:51 <Darkvater> train 1: <11><22> 22:26:59 <Darkvater> train 2: <][] 22:27:23 <Darkvater> now I move <2 in front of [] 22:27:29 <Darkvater> this is what crashes right? 22:27:32 <Bjarni> that will crash 22:27:49 <Bjarni> it appears that everything else works 22:27:58 <Bjarni> except this specific condition 22:27:59 <Darkvater> now why does this crash? This crashes because when normalizeconsist is called 2> has a fist pointer still set to <1 22:28:25 <Darkvater> for some reason this is set back in the DC_EXEC part after it has been cleared 22:28:47 <Bjarni> line? 22:29:12 <Darkvater> I have the lines changed a bit but around ~1097 22:30:02 <Bjarni> yeah, that should clear the cache 22:30:16 <Darkvater> and it is set in AddWagonToConsist() ~1155 22:30:21 <Darkvater> clearly wrongly 22:30:46 <Darkvater> or something is at least 22:34:36 <Bjarni> I think I found it 22:34:38 <Bjarni> compiling 22:34:54 <Darkvater> the linking/unlinking code is very murky at best :( 22:35:33 <Bjarni> yeah, it works :D 22:35:49 <Darkvater> what is it? 22:35:54 <Bjarni> it's a one line fix 22:35:55 <Darkvater> (before commit) 22:36:46 <Bjarni> AddWagonToConsist() sets the front pointer and in this case, to the wrong front engine 22:36:56 <Darkvater> yes I know :) 22:36:59 <Darkvater> but what did you do 22:37:01 <Bjarni> so I just wrote src->u.rail.other_multiheaded_part->first = NULL; in the next line 22:37:07 *** tokai|alternativ [n=tokai@p54B81894.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:37:35 <Darkvater> hmm a simple solution I did not think of 22:38:05 <Darkvater> cause right until normalisetrainconsist of src_head and dst_head first pointers should be NULL I presume 22:38:22 <Bjarni> yeah 22:38:28 <Bjarni> it's really messy code :( 22:38:40 <Bjarni> believe me, I actually cleaned it up 22:38:53 <Bjarni> compared to what it used to be 22:38:54 <Darkvater> that doesn't look cleaned up ;) 22:38:55 * Darkvater hides 22:39:10 <Darkvater> you can commit it if you want but I want at least 75% of the credit ^^ 22:39:47 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-83-100-133-23.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:39:51 <Bjarni> at the time, I realised that it would be ugly unless I did a complete rewrite and I already had a 50k diff messing with it, so... 22:41:04 <CIA-5> richk * r5663 /branches/MiniIN/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 22:41:04 <CIA-5> [MiniIN]: [BreakingNews]: Added Breaking News patch. If a disaster occurs, this message will always appear immediately, even if a queue of messages is waiting. 22:41:04 <CIA-5> Many thanks to hertogjan for MiniIN patch. 22:41:08 <Darkvater> got a question about ~1189 22:41:13 <Darkvater> TrainConsistChanged(src_head); 22:41:13 <Darkvater> if (IsFrontEngine(src_head)) { 22:41:14 <Darkvater> UpdateTrainAcceleration(src_head); 22:41:31 <Darkvater> the if part. Is there any case where src_head can be a not front engine? 22:41:59 <Darkvater> or that would be the case where you put it behind an engineless wagon? 22:42:17 <Darkvater> he 22:42:27 <Darkvater> if (engine != NULL && engine->u.rail.other_multiheaded_part != NULL) { 22:42:27 <Darkvater> AddWagonToConsist(engine->u.rail.other_multiheaded_part, engine); 22:42:27 <Darkvater> // previous line set the front engine to the old front. We need to clear that 22:42:30 <Darkvater> engine->u.rail.other_multiheaded_part->first = NULL; 22:42:33 <Darkvater> } 22:42:36 <Darkvater> here you did it yourself, clearing the first pointer 22:42:52 <Darkvater> forgot it a few lines higher ;p 22:43:52 <CIA-5> bjarni * r5664 /trunk/train_cmd.c: 22:43:52 <CIA-5> -Fix: [SF 1518090 ] moving train engines in depot - crash (svn r5463) 22:43:52 <CIA-5> this was present long before 5463 22:43:52 <CIA-5> Darkvater deserves some of the credit for this fix since he discovered where the first pointer got set incorrectly 22:44:11 <Darkvater> 'some of the credit' 22:44:13 <Darkvater> he 22:44:16 <RichK67> lol :) 22:44:58 <Darkvater> I found the bug-report, I created the cornercase, I hunted down the bug and I handed to you the line where it went wrong 22:45:01 <Wolf01> RichK67, do you plan to add adjoin stations in this build? 22:45:01 <Darkvater> and then he says 22:45:04 <Darkvater> 'some of the credit' 22:45:20 <Darkvater> that's Bjarni for ya o/ 22:45:22 <Darkvater> :) 22:46:53 <Bjarni> the thing is, I looked at those pointers all night and realised that it was the first pointer that didn't really work. I just didn't find the line where it got set again 22:47:12 <Darkvater> donnu if it helps, but this is how I did it: 22:47:34 <Darkvater> made a really small train and drew its consists on a paper 22:47:42 <Bjarni> when I caused at this bug while you were offline, like 3 or 4 people said "sounds like a wrong first pointer" 22:48:07 <Darkvater> then in debug I wrote down each vehicle's address above them, then debugged where it went wrong 22:48:25 <Darkvater> then I saw a stray first-pointer for 2> and debugged again to see where that was set 22:48:57 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B359BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:49:16 <Bjarni> nice approach 22:49:42 <Darkvater> plus of course the time it took to figure out the whole code since I can only understand my mess ;p 22:49:45 <Darkvater> not that of others 22:50:05 <RichK67> Wolf01: at the moment, im not entirely sure what it does... your explanation and screenshots in the thread arent really clear enough for me... 22:51:07 <Wolf01> you can build stations like LOMO, but with the ability to decide also at which station you should join the new piece 22:51:42 <Bjarni> btw. On top of the bug-report page is a mistake: 22:51:42 <Bjarni> 'Without a savegame, a bug report __ useless!'. It 22:51:42 <Bjarni> should be '... a bug report is useless!' 22:51:57 <Darkvater> yeah I don't get that 22:51:59 <Bjarni> nice to write that in a bug report where the reporter forgot to attach the savegame he refers to 22:52:19 <Darkvater> I mean the typo part 22:52:20 *** Dred_furst` [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:52:52 <Bjarni> try to commit a new bug report. The top of the form says "Include a SAVEGAME with your bug report. Without a savegame, a bug report useless!" 22:53:08 <Darkvater> aaah 22:54:07 <RichK67> Wolf01: doesnt help since i dont know LOMO... i saw your post of 4 airports adjoining each other; but it wasnt clear if they were all the same station, or 4 stations 22:54:30 <Wolf01> no they are 4 independant stations 22:54:46 <Wolf01> only adjacent, but not joined 22:54:52 <RichK67> basically im not sure enough about its use, and id like to see/hear you've run several games testing it in MP to show it working well 22:55:26 <CIA-5> Darkvater * r5665 /trunk/train_cmd.c: - Codechange: check pointers against NULL, coding style, tabulation; nothing serious. 22:56:15 *** Spoco [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:56:19 <Darkvater> where the hell is that text 22:56:42 <Wolf01> i tested it with various combinations in SP, and also in MP, i get some desynchs but i think they are due to the station_spread or something else because the first happened 10 seconds after the client joined without doing anything 22:57:16 <Bjarni> Darkvater: click bugs and then "Submit New". I have no idea where it can be altered though 22:57:29 <Darkvater> yes, the alter is what I am looking for 22:57:59 <Darkvater> ah, bugs > admin > preferences 22:58:50 <Bjarni> found it 22:58:56 <Bjarni> and then I saw, that so did you 22:58:59 <Wolf01> frost fixed all the bugs i found and i'm almost sure that there aren't other visible bugs, but miniin is for testing new features that wait to be merged in trunk, if might happen 22:59:22 <Darkvater> :) 23:00:25 <Bjarni> Darkvater: btw I got permission to make releases, but when I released 0.4.8-RC1, I realised that I could do that, but not post anything in the news about what I did, so it ended up being left out of the news 23:00:46 <Darkvater> which news? 23:00:58 <Bjarni> the news tab on SF 23:01:10 <Bjarni> http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=103924 23:01:30 <Darkvater> hmm how come you can't? 23:01:38 <Bjarni> "Permission Denied. You have to be an admin on the project you are editing or a member of the SourceForge.net News team." 23:01:41 <Darkvater> no submit button? 23:01:45 <Darkvater> hmm 23:01:47 <Darkvater> let's see 23:02:35 * Sacro hates being in love 23:02:47 <Bjarni> admin->admin->members I presume 23:02:54 <Bjarni> that's another page I don't have access to 23:03:09 <Darkvater> yeah but looking how I can change it 23:03:36 <Bjarni> # You cannot manage news postings for this project. 23:03:36 <Bjarni> # You cannot manage screenshots for this project. 23:03:45 <Bjarni> but I think I can do more or less everything else 23:04:47 <Darkvater> wtf... your password has expired? 23:04:57 <Bjarni> o_O 23:05:06 <Sacro> RichK67: please can you merge hetrogens physics patches? 23:05:28 <Darkvater> ...*sigh* 23:05:32 * RichK67 coughs and points to log... 23:05:36 <Wolf01> sacro, you come when things are already done :P 23:05:54 * Darkvater slaps Sacro 23:05:56 <Sacro> :o 23:05:56 <Darkvater> it's hertogjan 23:06:20 <Sacro> Darkvater: well tell him to get in here so i can tab complete his name 23:06:30 <Darkvater> Error 23:06:30 <Darkvater> Error 23:06:31 <Darkvater> Error creating user object 23:06:34 <Darkvater> oook :S 23:07:10 <RichK67> damn... thats gonna be fun fixing... conflict in icelandic.txt ;) 23:07:30 <RichK67> lol - and simplified chinese ;) 23:07:50 * RichK67 is syncing MiniIN with trunk btw 23:07:54 <Darkvater> ok here we go 23:08:13 <Darkvater> Bjarni: try now 23:08:35 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I just changed my pw 23:08:41 <Bjarni> now it can't be expired 23:08:58 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-544081bf.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:09:13 <Darkvater> no I mean the news permissions 23:09:13 <Wolf01> RichK67, just try that patch, but i think that are the players that have to decide if it is usefull or not, not one person, also if is the one that can commit to the svn 23:09:24 <Bjarni> yeah 23:09:30 <Bjarni> now it works 23:09:47 <Bjarni> I still can't touch that screenshot part 23:10:17 <Darkvater> heh.. 23:10:18 <Bjarni> not that I would do it if I had permission to do so, but still... I can make releases, post news and delete releases, but I can't post a screenshot 23:10:32 <Darkvater> there 23:11:22 <RichK67> Wolf01: what i mean on it tho, is I would rather MiniIN is not the testbed for you to get your patch right in... pls get some miles behind it, and then when proven, ill pop it in... i have no idea what behaviours and problems it may cause, and i dont want another patch "doing a daylength" on me... 23:13:17 <Burgundavia> RichK67: you don't want to become the -mm of Openttd?> 23:13:34 <Sacro> RichK67: :o, i resent that phrase 23:13:37 <OwenS> MM? C++ API? 23:14:30 <Wolf01> with daylength i had to do all the work alone and bugs are come out after the merging (but now are fixed) 23:14:49 <Bjarni> Darkvater: btw I noticed today that YAPF fails to compile when compiling for OSX 10.2.x. The horrible line in question says "#include <new>". Any idea on how to solve that one? 23:14:54 <RichK67> sacro... daylength has had more bugfixes added than any other patch... sorry... truth 23:15:06 <Bjarni> besides discontinue support for 10.2 23:15:10 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ifdef? 23:15:13 <Burgundavia> no, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Morton_%28computer_programmer%29 23:15:54 <OwenS> Burgundavia: I was joking somewhat :) 23:15:59 <Burgundavia> OwenS: ahh 23:16:05 <Bjarni> Darkvater: well, that would cripple the 10.2 binary even more if YAPF fails on it as well 23:16:10 <Burgundavia> OwenS: text carries so little context 23:16:15 <OwenS> I know :( 23:16:27 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I mean it fails without new as well? 23:16:33 <Darkvater> what kind of a crappy OS is that? 23:17:15 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 23:17:24 <Bjarni> I wonder about that as well. I'm not sure I'm willing to spend much time on it since most people have already abandon it 23:17:35 <Bjarni> 250 people downloaded the 0.4.7 binary for it 23:17:55 <OwenS> Freeze it at 0.4.7, and offer it as a "Legacy build"? 23:18:04 <Sacro> RichK67: yes, i know 23:18:16 <Bjarni> and we got more than 100k downloads in total 23:18:31 <Bjarni> OwenS: I can do that with 0.4.8 23:18:35 <Bjarni> but not 0.5.0 23:18:54 <OwenS> Aah, yeah, since 0.4.8 is on the 0.4 branch (Is it a branch?) 23:20:26 * Sacro needs a wee :( 23:21:15 <tokai|alternativ> -a w +to p 23:21:19 <Darkvater> Bjarni: do you know if r5454 also affects 0.4.8? 23:21:20 * tokai|alternativ runs and hides 23:21:38 <Sacro> tokai|alternativ: err... 23:23:00 <Bjarni> Darkvater: I think so, but I'm not sure 23:23:36 <Bjarni> funny thing is that I actually did a lot of work on that, but I was never really able to test it as I use aircrafts too little to do that 23:23:57 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:24:01 <Sacro> night Wolf01 23:24:05 <Bjarni> but I think it's a pre 0.4.5 issue 23:24:12 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host120-232.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 23:24:19 <Darkvater> can you check up on it while I'm backporting? 23:24:20 <Sacro> is there a UKRS MiniIN server going? 23:27:08 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:30:06 <Bjarni> Darkvater: well, reading the diff and reading code in 0.4, I would say that it should be backported 23:30:27 <Darkvater> but no actual gameplay proof? 23:30:35 <Bjarni> the issue is present as DoCommandP also uses the wrong argument ;) 23:30:41 *** tokai|alternativ is now known as tokai 23:31:18 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> but no actual gameplay proof? <-- that would need a helicopter to age naturally (not by cheating) and there is no quick way to test that :( 23:31:21 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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Galician has 28 untranslated strings. 23:46:04 <Darkvater> Belugas_Gone: ping 23:49:08 <Born_Acorn> Belugas has gone. 23:49:12 * Born_Acorn sheds a tear 23:49:16 <Sacro> Darkvater: poing 23:49:26 <Born_Acorn> Sacro! It's you! 23:49:33 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: lies! 23:51:25 <Sacro> is it stalking when you type a girl you fancies name into google, and see her amazon profile, and read up on what music she linkes... 23:51:28 <Sacro> *likes 23:51:44 <glx> Darkvater: Belugas_Gone is in holidays, but may be here sometimes 23:51:55 <Darkvater> a true addict 23:52:02 <Darkvater> I was wondering about his commit text 23:52:11 <Darkvater> "H:\commits\mapping.txt" or something 23:52:25 *** dp__ [n=dp@p54B2EF38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:31 <glx> TL fixed it in svn log I think 23:53:03 <Darkvater> ah 23:53:10 <Darkvater> too bad trac doesn't sync 23:54:21 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:54:31 <Bjarni> Darkvater: we got to release tomorrow 23:54:48 <Bjarni> I mean make RC2 ;) 23:54:51 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:55:33 <Darkvater> :) 23:56:05 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2CB55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:56:05 *** dp__ is now known as dp-- 23:56:32 <Darkvater> well good night as well people :) 23:56:33 *** Darkvater [n=plop@5354EC24.cable.casema.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 23:57:04 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81894.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:57:05 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2849.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 23:57:16 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:57:32 <Sacro> hmm, frieght train multiplication set to 255...