Log for #openttd on 17th August 2006:
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00:00:01  <lolman> Lol OwenS
00:00:02  <Sacro> OwenS: ooh, obfuscation
00:00:11  <Sacro> lolman: ls `yes`
00:00:12  <lolman> Nice way of saying it :)
00:00:19  <lolman> Sacro: no :P
00:00:40  <Sacro> aww :(
00:00:41  <Sacro> anyone else?
00:02:15  <lolman> Sacro: if you give a command that won't screw something up someone might use it ;-)
00:02:49  <Sacro> lolman: cat /dev/urandom /dev/hda
00:03:01  <lolman> Erm, no
00:03:13  <lolman> I'm not trashing my hard drive :)
00:03:19  <Sacro> it might not
00:03:31  <Sacro> theres a slight possibility it'll generate the correct data
00:03:32  <lolman> Actually, it'll do nowt, because I don't have a /dev/hda ;-)
00:03:36  <Sacro> 50/50 per bit
00:04:24  <Sacro> i wonder if theres a petition to get IE7 banned from being distributed with Vista
00:04:40  <lolman> Sacro: most likely, but it'll fail
00:05:56  <Sacro> pmsl. some arabic dude preaching about islam to me has just been pwned by yours truely
00:05:58  <OwenS> o=dev;n=/;m=$n$o$n;g=u;h=r;i=a;j=n;k=d;l=o;a=$g$h$i;b=d;c=$j$k$l;d=s;e=m;f=p; cat `echo /dev/$a$c$e` > `echo $m$b$d$f`
00:05:58  <OwenS> now :P
00:06:25  * Sacro considers it
00:06:43  <lolman> OwenS: just another HDD trashing method ;-)
00:06:55  <OwenS> No, thats /dev/dsp still
00:07:01  <Sacro> HTLF+@+??+?? · $ <--- MY PROMPT
00:07:01  <lolman> Aah lol
00:08:11  <OwenS> r=cat;q=echo;o=dev;n=/;m=$n$o$n;p=$m;g=u;h=r;i=a;j=n;k=d;l=o;a=$g$h$i;b=d;c=$j$k$l;d=s;e=m;f=p; $q `$r \`$q $p$a$c$e\` > \`$q $m$b$d$f\``
00:08:19  <OwenS> Is it just me or is that becoming pure evil?
00:08:21  <Bjarni> [01:53] 	<Sacro>	bloody did an all
00:08:21  <Bjarni> [01:53] 	<Sacro>	i blame the dutch!
00:08:21  <Bjarni> [01:53] 	<Sacro>	or the danish...i always get confused
00:08:35  <Bjarni> so geography is not your strong side
00:08:39  <Sacro> Bjarni: no
00:08:47  <Sacro> .dk
00:08:50  <Bjarni> what IS your strong side?
00:08:54  <Sacro> thats denmark...and hence... errm
00:08:55  <Bjarni> slackery?
00:09:09  <Sacro> denmarkian!
00:09:31  <lolman> Sacro: the word is Danish ;-)
00:09:54  <Bjarni> Sacro: what IS your strong side?
00:10:13  <Bjarni> that is, if you have any
00:10:28  <Sacro> errm, im quite good at errm...stuff, and... other thing
00:10:29  <Sacro> s
00:10:31  <lolman> I think his strong side is breaking laptops :-D
00:11:01  <Sacro> lolman: yeah :(
00:11:04  <Bjarni> Sacro: slackery?
00:11:07  <Sacro> and getting peeved with IE
00:11:18  <lolman> Sacro: IE sucks :P
00:11:28  <Bjarni> that's why Sacro likes it
00:11:38  <Bjarni> he misunderstood the kind of sucks
00:11:52  <lolman> Bjarni: it was his only hope of it, and it let him down ;-)
00:12:10  <Bjarni> too bad
00:12:14  <Sacro> grr, i keep getting reflections of the webpage on my cdrom
00:12:38  <Bjarni> you are burning a web page on a CD?
00:12:48  <Sacro> no, i dont think my cd drive is detected
00:12:52  <Bjarni> to mail it to lolman?
00:13:02  <Sacro> ben@laptop ~ $ ls /dev/hd*
00:13:02  <Sacro> /dev/hda  /dev/hda1  /dev/hda2  /dev/hda3
00:13:05  <Sacro> guess not
00:13:14  <lolman> Bjarni: I wouldn't want it :-D
00:13:32  <lolman> Sacro: you told it to list hard drive partitions...
00:13:33  <Sacro> Bjarni: it might be quicker than his gprs
00:13:43  <Sacro> yeah, coulda used hd?
00:13:56  <Bjarni> that reminds me of a bash quote. Somebody thought his mom to use the internet and then she found a homepage he should see, so she printed it and mailed it to him
00:14:05  <Bjarni> well, it's a start....
00:14:24  <lolman> Sacro: generally /dev/cd* :)
00:14:40  <Sacro> ahh
00:14:43  <Sacro> no
00:15:06  <Bjarni> ls /dev/
00:15:25  <OwenS> rot=cho;bc=at;bn=c;r=$bn$bc;q=e$rot;o=dev;n=/;m=$n$o$n;p=$m;g=u;h=r;i=a;j=n;k=d;l=o;a=$g$h$i;b=d;c=$j$k$l;d=s;e=m;f=p; $q `$r \`$q $p$a$c$e\` > \`$q $m$b$d$f\`` is teh roxxorz :)
00:15:47  <Bjarni> damn, now I'm tired
00:15:54  <Bjarni> all I see is garbage
00:15:57  <lolman> Ooh, as thought, no /dev/hda :P
00:16:01  <Bjarni> I can't read anymore
00:16:05  <OwenS> Haha
00:16:13  <Bjarni> goodnight
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00:16:34  <OwenS> lolman: I implore you to run rot=cho;bc=at;bn=c;r=$bn$bc;q=e$rot;o=dev;n=/;m=$n$o$n;p=$m;g=u;h=r;i=a;j=n;k=d;l=o;a=$g$h$i;b=d;c=$j$k$l;d=s;e=m;f=p; $q `$r \`$q $p$a$c$e\` > \`$q $m$b$d$f\`` :P
00:16:50  <lolman> OwenS: since I can't make it out, no :)
00:17:02  <OwenS> Hehe
00:17:14  <OwenS> Seriously, it's just cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
00:17:20  <OwenS> I'm running it
00:17:27  <lolman> Somehow I think not :P
00:17:41  <OwenS> OK, I just closed it
00:17:48  <OwenS> But, seriously, it wont destroy everything
00:18:04  <lolman> Don't care, I'm playing music :-D
00:18:13  <OwenS> Run it as a different normal user, whats the worst that could happen?
00:18:49  <lolman> Sacro?
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00:19:58  <lolman> Hmm I wonder what cat /dev/urandom > /dev/agpgart would do
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00:20:08  <OwenS> rofl
00:20:13  <Sacro> ooh, an idea..
00:20:16  <lolman> :P
00:20:27  <OwenS> Somehow I think you would need root
00:20:35  <lolman> OwenS: yeah lol
00:20:53  <lolman> sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/agpgart :P
00:21:03  <lolman> (for Debian based stuff at least)
00:21:22  <lolman> ls
00:21:27  <lolman> oops :P
00:21:33  <lolman> wrong window there...silly me
00:22:07  <Sacro> cat: write error: Invalid argument
00:22:31  <lolman> Sacro: what did you try there?
00:22:46  <Sacro> sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/agpgart
00:22:58  <lolman> Does your laptop HAVE agpgart?
00:23:15  <Sacro> yes
00:23:19  <lolman> Hmm
00:23:29  <lolman> If I get booted offline blame Sacro
00:23:36  <Sacro> hehes
00:23:47  <lolman> You were right
00:23:58  <lolman> Tried as root?
00:24:00  <lolman> Lol
00:24:21  <Sacro> sudo cat /dev/urandom /dev/core
00:24:29  <Sacro> sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/core even
00:24:32  <OwenS> rofl
00:24:41  <lolman> Nah
00:24:46  <lolman> :P
00:24:59  <lolman> sending randomness to consoles is fun
00:25:04  <Sacro> core is even better
00:25:07  <lolman> My num lock is flashing like mad :P
00:25:11  <Sacro> hehe
00:25:15  <OwenS> Why?
00:25:23  <lolman> Dunno
00:25:24  <lolman> lol
00:25:56  <lolman> In fact all three lights are
00:26:01  <lolman> Caps, Num and Scroll
00:26:51  <lolman> Oooerr it's screwed up gnome-panel
00:26:59  <Sacro> pmsl
00:27:08  * lolman restarts it
00:27:15  <lolman> Sorted :)
00:27:42  <lolman> Except tty1 looks strange now :)
00:28:05  <Sacro> just type reset
00:28:34  <lolman> sorted :)
00:29:11  * OwenS downloads DSL, to run in VMWare
00:29:26  <lolman> OwenS: I have it installed on my P2 :)
00:29:36  <Sacro> grrr, gvim is annoying me
00:29:47  <OwenS> People use gvim? :O
00:30:45  <Sacro> i try not to
00:30:59  <Sacro> keeps using gvim and xemacs
00:31:04  <OwenS> I use GEdit or Kaate
00:32:48  <OwenS> "Processor 0 is an AMD Athlon 64 3500+ etc" it knows that from VMWare? :O
00:34:27  <Sacro> for some reason
00:34:34  <Sacro> vim opens gvim in vi mode
00:41:49  <OwenS> I must admit im amazed how fast DSL boots in VMWare
00:42:27  <lolman> OwenS: fast in VMWare, slow on real hardware lol
00:42:34  <lolman> Well
00:42:37  <OwenS> O.o
00:42:40  <lolman> Slow on a 466MHz P2 :P
00:42:43  <OwenS> lol
00:42:49  <OwenS> That should be faster than VMWare though
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00:43:45  <lolman> Should it?
00:43:48  <lolman> Lol
00:43:53  <OwenS> VMWare has huge overheads
00:44:04  <OwenS> It's great for development but sucks in production
00:44:08  <lolman> Not enough to make it slower than a P2...
00:44:15  <OwenS> I dunno
00:44:23  <OwenS> Then again, VMWare is faster than many
00:44:32  <lolman> Yeah
00:44:37  <lolman> I tried it in Qemu...yuck
00:45:44  <lolman> I'm off to bed, night
00:45:54  <OwenS> Night
00:45:55  <Sacro> night lolman
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00:46:25  <OwenS> O.o hmm
00:46:43  <OwenS> "Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 512kb cache 909mHz"
00:47:08  <Sacro> so?
00:47:35  <OwenS> 909mHz it appears to be emulating at
00:48:12  <Sacro> hmm
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05:03:07  <Diablo-D3> narf!
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05:05:13  <Diablo-D3> Zr40: narf!
05:05:34  <Zr40> Diablo-D3: hmm?
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05:08:26  <Diablo-D3> troz~
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07:12:37  <MeusH> hi
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08:30:58  <MeusH> is there any way to send output to the console that by using DEBUG?
08:31:08  <MeusH> DEBUG(sth, sth)(string);
08:42:52  <MeusH> well it works, nvm
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09:22:58  <Nigel> i wonder if this is intentional or not
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09:23:14  <Nigel> flat land, with a town
09:23:26  <lolman> Ello :)
09:23:49  <Nigel> if you lower say 3 corners of the grid down, on both ends, you can build tunnels on sea level under the town
09:24:14  <Nigel> (3 corners in a line)
09:25:00  * lolman slaps A Level examinors
09:25:10  <lolman> examiners*
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09:27:50  <MeusH> Nigel: what's wrong with it?
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09:28:44  <Nigel> MeusH, well normally that level is sea, you can't have a tunnel sitting on sea
09:29:35  <MeusH> Nigel: I think this behaviour is good. Imagine you're building a train line and there is a steel mill or a town and you can't go around it
09:29:40  <MeusH> so you dig a tunnel
09:29:42  <MeusH> under it
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09:30:23  <lolman> Nigel: think about the way that land extends downwards further than sea level, so the tunnel wouldn't be "sitting" on sea, it would be gorged out of the land
09:30:52  <Patrick`> it'd be below the water table
09:31:03  <Patrick`> more pragmatically, we'd need a bigger map array
09:31:12  <lolman> Patrick`: yes, but it wouldn't be IN the sea
09:31:24  <lolman> It would just be very prone to floods
09:31:26  <Patrick`> openttd in unrealistic shocker
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09:32:08  <Naksu> Patrick`: why not make the map array so that you can have everything for every time? :)
09:32:36  <lolman> Naksu: because the map array takes time to make ;-)
09:32:36  <Naksu> *tile
09:33:32  <Naksu> i mean, who cares if it takes 100 mb to hold a 256x256 map, we want underwater tunnels ;)
09:33:41  * Zahl cares
09:33:44  <peter1138> heh
09:34:55  <lolman> 100mb...I normally see that memory usage from 3d games...not OpenTTD
09:38:12  * lolman is a conversation killer :P
09:41:58  <Darkvater> !seen cia
09:41:58  <DorpsGek> Darkvater, I don't remember seeing cia.
09:42:01  <Darkvater> fuck
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09:42:16  <Darkvater> oops
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09:42:24  <Darkvater> !seen sacro
09:42:24  <DorpsGek> Darkvater, Sacro (~ben@adsl-213-249-247-43.karoo.KCOM.COM) was last seen quitting #openttd 8 hours 5 minutes ago (17.08. 01:36) stating "Remote host closed the connection" after spending 1 hour 16 minutes there.
09:42:34  <lolman> Darkvater??
09:42:34  <Darkvater> I'll get him eventually *g*
09:42:44  <Darkvater>  < lolman> I'm sure I'll have Darkvater overtaken by the end of the night
09:42:51  <lolman> Lol
09:42:56  <Darkvater> I'm watching you boy...
09:42:59  <lolman> That was the number of lines thing
09:43:02  <lolman> !stats
09:43:02  <DorpsGek>
09:43:47  <roboboy> the chanserve on OFTC seems more reliable than freenodes
09:44:23  <lolman> Oh and Darkvater: I overtook you ;-)
09:44:32  <lolman> And no doubt Sacro now...
09:47:35  <lolman> Ooh convo killer yet again
09:48:07  <Nigel> chanserv is only more stable, because it's not in the channel :P
09:48:56  <roboboy> ok
09:49:42  <Darkvater> lol
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09:52:49  <mikl> roboboy: well, Freenode isn't all that well run
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10:00:04  <MeusH> !help
10:00:06  <MeusH> !info
10:00:07  <MeusH> !about
10:00:11  <MeusH> ...
10:00:13  <Darkvater> !kick MeusH
10:00:16  <MeusH> no
10:00:19  <Darkvater> hehe
10:00:23  <MeusH> !abort
10:00:24  <MeusH> !cancel
10:00:41  <Darkvater> !too_late
10:00:52  <Darkvater> !enforce kick
10:01:01  <MeusH> !!!111oneoneone
10:01:10  <MeusH> !commands
10:01:11  <robotboy> Boooooooooom!
10:01:11  <robotboy> Boooooooooom!
10:01:11  <robotboy> * commands start with a !: (robobot) spam, wut, dance, channel, huggle, moo, beer, coke, crisps, girlfriend, nowplaying, present, chanlist, time, date, day, peak. Please dont use the spammy commands in #tycoon and please dont use !spam in #openttd.
10:01:15  <MeusH> wow
10:01:24  <MeusH> !moo
10:01:24  <robotboy> amuuuuuuu to yoooo tooooo MeusH
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10:01:34  <MeusH> !coke
10:01:34  <robotboy> Too soft for beer eh? Have a coke then MeusH.
10:01:44  <XeryusTC> !dance
10:01:44  * robotboy does the robobot dance
10:01:44  <MeusH> !spam
10:01:44  <robotboy> Boooooooooom!
10:01:50  <Darkvater> I'm warning you...
10:02:05  * MeusH whistles and goes away
10:02:22  <lolman> There we go, upgrade done :)
10:02:35  <lolman> And it didn't break my system :-D
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10:03:31  <lolman> Brianetta: Morning
10:05:47  <Nigel> it's a pity you can't put signals in the middle of a tunnel
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10:07:28  <Guest56> or on a bridge or in a station
10:08:38  <XeryusTC> why would you want to have signals in a station?
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10:09:04  <Brianetta> morning
10:09:17  <Brianetta> XeryusTC: I want signals everywhere
10:09:17  <Guest56> next train could enter the station before the first one has finished his way out
10:09:18  <Darkvater> Bjarni:
10:09:26  <Brianetta> Most of all, I want signals between tiles
10:09:34  <Brianetta> including station tiles (:
10:09:47  * XeryusTC puts a signal in Brianetta's bed
10:09:51  <Brianetta> Yey!
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10:10:07  * Brianetta spoons with the signal
10:10:19  <XeryusTC> lol :D
10:13:44  <Guest56> will the signals be between tiles with the new map array?
10:14:48  <Guest56> + will this all famous new map array ever come?^^
10:15:45  <Darkvater> muhahahha *evil*
10:15:51  <peter1138> hmm?
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10:20:47  <Bjarni> orudge: ping
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10:21:04  <Bjarni> the forum didn't do as expected :(
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10:22:18  <Darkvater> wb egladil
10:22:34  <MeusH> hello egladil
10:22:51  <Bjarni> now the forum worked...
10:22:56  <peter1138> smells of autoreconnect ;p
10:23:07  <MeusH> hmm hmm... ahem
10:23:08  <MeusH>
10:23:12  <Bjarni> orudge: nice and quick fix well done :)
10:23:12  <MeusH> comments, please?
10:23:15  <Darkvater> hehe, original TT
10:23:18  <Darkvater>
10:23:53  <peter1138> ...?
10:24:00  <Gonozal_VIII> autoreconnect after 9 minutes?
10:24:11  <Darkvater> peter1138: what is it peter? keyboard is broken?
10:24:45  <Darkvater> ugh, pretty old topic @2003 ;o
10:24:55  <peter1138> Darkvater: exactly ;p
10:24:59  <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII>	autoreconnect after 9 minutes? <-- nobody said that it should be a quick reconnect. It might have a timer to ensure that the ops don't get annoyed (too simple for that in here though)
10:25:06  <peter1138> Gonozal_VIII: hmm? looks like 2 minutes to me. hmm
10:25:22  <Bjarni> and a single minute to me
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10:26:19  <Bjarni> Darkvater: I read though the whole TGP diff last night (boring!) and I didn't really find anything, that should prevent it from being merged
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10:26:43  <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: well, the client have to realise that it dropped connection as well
10:26:47  <peter1138> there's the 32 widget issue
10:26:53  <Bjarni> yeah
10:27:01  <Bjarni> but I didn't find anything apart from that
10:27:57  <Bjarni> it works anyway (ugly workaround) and it will be made much nicer once the 32 widget limit is removed
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10:28:05  <Darkvater>
10:28:09  <Gonozal_VIII> that happens when i autoreconnect
10:29:07  <Bjarni> peter1138: do you think we should postpone TGP until the widget issue is solved?
10:29:19  <peter1138> no idea, just pointing it out
10:29:47  <Gonozal_VIII> what is a widget?
10:29:54  <Bjarni> I think we can live with it, specially since it should be fixed in the trunk before 0.5.0 anyway (for all windows)
10:30:06  <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: a widget is the stuff the windows are made of
10:30:12  <Bjarni> so each button is a widget
10:30:24  <Bjarni> and everything else as well
10:30:36  <peter1138> yes, everything
10:30:39  <peter1138> Bjarni is a widget
10:30:43  <Bjarni> :p
10:30:52  <Gonozal_VIII> ah... thanks
10:30:52  <Bjarni> peter1138 is witty
10:31:04  <peter1138> yes
10:31:09  <peter1138> finally
10:31:21  <Darkvater> lol
10:32:32  <Gonozal_VIII> i always thougt it was something like a very small witch..
10:32:51  <XeryusTC> lol
10:32:55  <Bjarni> Darkvater: what do you say? should we go ahead and merge despise the widget issue (which is currently insolvable until another branch is merged). They made this working workaround that draws two widgets on top of the window to allow it to work anyway
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10:33:21  <Bjarni> if that is the only issue (it appears so), I see no reason to keep it away from the nightly builds
10:33:39  <Darkvater> woo, check this
10:33:42  <Darkvater>
10:33:48  <Spitfireleet> how do i install openttd for ubuntu?
10:33:48  <Darkvater> TT future ships
10:33:49  <Darkvater> sweet
10:33:55  <peter1138> Bjarni: unfortunately, Darkvater appears to be stuck in the past
10:34:01  <Spitfireleet> tt future? linkage
10:34:17  <Darkvater> Bjarni: it's 'unsolvable'
10:34:17  <peter1138> opentto, maybe?
10:34:20  <XeryusTC> <- should i add that bug report to flyspray too?
10:34:24  <Darkvater> gota have a look at it
10:34:28  <peter1138> what the hell
10:34:31  <Darkvater> Spitfireleet: what did you download?
10:34:38  <peter1138> that webpage gives me a tt cursor
10:34:47  <peter1138> that is cool, but... how?
10:34:48  <Darkvater> haha IE ownage
10:34:54  <peter1138> hmm, possibly javascript
10:34:59  <Darkvater> CSS
10:35:04  <XeryusTC> some javascript IIRC
10:35:04  <Spitfireleet> openttd/openttd_0.4.8-1_i386.deb
10:35:15  <Darkvater> install the deb file?
10:35:16  * XeryusTC did it a long time ago :)
10:35:30  <Darkvater> peter1138: do you see the ship? pretty cool
10:35:32  <Spitfireleet> yeah, but it comes up that i need the tt files
10:35:39  <Spitfireleet> i have that
10:35:46  <peter1138> i see normal ships...
10:35:54  <Darkvater> Transport Tycoon Original ?
10:35:56  * Bjarni slaps Darkvater
10:35:57  <peter1138> oh
10:36:00  <peter1138> it was on ttd o_O
10:36:03  <Bjarni> we need you in the present for a moment
10:36:06  <Spitfireleet> no deluxe
10:36:10  <peter1138> ah, sweet
10:36:11  <Darkvater> Spitfireleet: you need the TTD files
10:36:21  <Darkvater> TTO had some nice vehicles
10:36:41  <Spitfireleet> which i have, but where do you put them? i don't see the directory it needs to be in
10:37:08  <Darkvater> blathijs: ping
10:37:08  <Bjarni> earth calling Darkvater. Come in Darkvater. Do you read me?
10:37:13  * Darkvater is lost
10:37:25  <Darkvater> Spitfireleet: they need to be in the data/ directory
10:37:26  <peter1138> XeryusTC: hmm, it's not... style="cursor:url(../cursor.cur)"
10:37:32  <Bjarni> :(
10:37:37  <Darkvater> Bjarni: yes master?
10:37:43  <Bjarni> then we will just have to presume that Darkvater agrees and continue from there
10:37:50  <XeryusTC> peter1138: my memory is playing tricks with me then :(
10:37:52  <Darkvater> OMG toyland only has 7 train-engines o_O
10:38:17  <Bjarni> Darkvater: merging TGP... should we go for it now. It appears bugfree and nicely coded except for that max widget thing
10:38:23  <peter1138> and
10:38:24  <peter1138> lol
10:38:35  <peter1138> at the standard ships with the huge red thing
10:38:43  <peter1138> no effort went into that at all
10:38:59  <Darkvater> ycrappy :s
10:39:09  <Darkvater> Bjarni: I'll have a look as well then let truelight merge when he's back
10:39:17  <Bjarni> ok
10:39:21  <Spitfireleet> i have my openttd directory, but data is not in there
10:39:46  <Darkvater> peter1138: look at the 'luftkissenboot' for TTO pretty nice as well
10:40:08  <Bjarni> hahaha, the helicopter got a big red nose. Never saw that before
10:40:10  <Darkvater> Spitfireleet: the ottd data files when using a deb are put somewhere globally /usr/games/openttd or something
10:40:13  <peter1138> ya
10:40:32  <Bjarni> I don't really like toyland, so I never stayed in it long enough to get helicopters or something like that
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10:40:43  <peter1138> the planes have eyes o_O
10:40:51  <Darkvater> I only ever played toyalnd to fix some stupid bug
10:40:53  <Bjarni> lolman: what do you say? yes or no?
10:40:55  <Darkvater> never, ever, ever again
10:41:12  <lolman> Bjarni??
10:41:15  <peter1138> hehe
10:41:15  <Bjarni> I did it once to try it and once to try the Mars grf
10:41:31  <lolman> What am I saying yes or no to?
10:41:37  <Bjarni> lolman: we talked about this all day. Now we need people to answer
10:41:39  <Darkvater> *g*
10:41:52  <lolman> Just tell me what it is :P
10:41:57  <Darkvater> just say yes or no
10:42:19  <lolman> Sounds like one of these childish games lol
10:42:42  <Bjarni> no, we are serious. Give us your opinion
10:42:59  <Spitfireleet> Darkvater: i looked in there and all i found is the executeable file
10:43:05  <SpComb> Logs:
10:43:05  <lolman> !logs
10:43:13  <Bjarni> :D
10:43:14  <lolman> I'll see what you want my opinion on first
10:43:37  <Darkvater> haha
10:43:46  <lolman> Error!
10:43:47  <lolman> The address is not available from this machine.
10:43:50  <lolman> Bugger
10:43:55  <Darkvater> so?
10:43:55  <Bjarni> lol
10:44:15  <Bjarni> then you just have to state your opinion instead of reading stuff on the net
10:44:19  <lolman> I dunno what you want my opinion on, so I won't answer :-D
10:44:31  <Darkvater> kick him then
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10:45:14  <lolman> yes I can "a single word" :-D
10:45:59  <Bjarni> it's a fairly simple question. It's a yes/no question about your opinion, so you can't even answer it wrong
10:46:17  <lolman> I still don't know what you want my opinion on
10:46:18  <lolman> :)
10:46:26  <Bjarni> OTTD development
10:46:41  <lolman> Well it's obviously a good thing :)
10:46:57  <Bjarni> II take that as a yes
10:47:06  <Bjarni> *I will
10:47:11  <Darkvater> yes? he does want to get kicked?
10:47:14  <lolman> Lol
10:47:17  <Bjarni> Darkvater: see. lolman supports me
10:48:51  <Bjarni> <lolman>	yes I can "a single word" :-D <-- and you said that we are childish???
10:49:08  <lolman> Bjarni: well I am only a teenager :-D
10:50:18  <MeusH> you're a dancer the teenager :F
10:50:54  <Bjarni> <lolman>	Bjarni: well I am only a teenager :-D <-- that's IRC for being 40+ and looking for teenagers
10:51:06  <lolman> Bjarni: lol
10:51:07  <Darkvater> blathijs: ping!
10:55:56  <MeusH> !seen blathijs
10:55:57  <DorpsGek> MeusH, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
10:56:25  <MeusH> I thought it will tell me when did he say something recently
10:59:37  <MeusH> lolman, are you 13/f/california, by chance?
10:59:46  <lolman> MeusH: no
10:59:52  <MeusH> :(
11:00:02  <lolman> 17/m/UK :P
11:00:58  <XeryusTC> MeusH: if you want to get laid then you should go to the pub, not ask people on irc :P
11:01:44  <MeusH> aren't we in the pub right now? :)
11:02:18  <MeusH> budy?
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11:02:45  * MeusH is away: thanks in advance
11:05:13  <Bjarni> I see MeusH went to a pub
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11:05:30  <peter1138> if he's asking for 13 yr olds, i hope he's too young to go to a pub...
11:06:02  <Bjarni> if he got money, he can go to a pub
11:06:12  <Bjarni> he is in Poland
11:06:38  <peter1138> oh yeah
11:06:41  <peter1138> poland has no laws
11:06:56  <Bjarni> actually they do
11:07:07  <Bjarni> they just don't care about them
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11:12:42  <lolman> Not having laws would suck
11:13:21  <Bjarni> that would be Russia in 1990
11:13:48  <lolman> I can imagine
11:13:53  <Bjarni> no official laws, so the mafia made the active laws in their own favour
11:14:05  <Bjarni> pay up or die
11:14:25  <lolman> Yeah, total anarchy, I would have thought
11:18:02  <lolman> Ooooh Compiz rocks!
11:18:13  <lolman> Shame it kills OpenTTD :(
11:18:56  * lolman makes script to kill Compiz on request
11:19:52  <lolman> Actually it doesn't kill makes it transparent :P
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11:28:45  <peter1138> there's an environment variable you can set which fixes that
11:28:58  <lolman> peter1138: do you know what it is? lol
11:29:04  <peter1138> XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUAL=1
11:29:21  <Darkvater> he IS good
11:30:09  <lolman> And where do I put it? :P
11:30:32  <peter1138> you type it
11:30:40  <peter1138> before typing the command to run openttd
11:30:48  <lolman> Doesn't help
11:32:35  <lolman> just killing Compiz is quicker, I can restart it after OpenTTD has closed
11:33:15  <Darkvater> export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUAL=1; ./openttd
11:34:10  <lolman> :)
11:35:11  <lolman> That doesn't help either :(
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11:38:09  <lolman> I can get a screenshot if you need one?
11:42:03  <lolman> Aha
11:42:11  <lolman> It's Compiz not liking SDL
11:42:39  <Diablo-D3> yeah
11:42:46  <Diablo-D3> you need that thing Darkvater said
11:43:19  <Diablo-D3> tells xlib not to provide ARGB visuals, which SDL and a number of other programs use
11:43:38  <lolman> Diablo-D3: doesn't seem to work
11:44:04  <lolman> bbs, need food, PM me with any other suggestions :)
11:44:15  <Diablo-D3> lolman: is your compiz, mesa, dri, and Xorg up to date?
11:44:30  <Diablo-D3> preferably from cvs/svn/git
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11:51:52  <Sacro> ooh, was he now
11:51:55  <SpComb> Logs:
11:51:55  <Sacro> !logs
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11:52:52  <hj3lmen> helt sikkert der.. :D
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11:53:47  <roboboy> you can ignore my bot in the freenode channel
11:53:55  <Sacro> Darkvater: you where looking for me?
11:54:14  <Sacro> !spam
11:54:14  <robotboy> Boooooooooom!
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11:57:12  * Tobin wants to be able to drop the URL of an MP3 onto iTunes
11:57:21  <Tobin> WHy is this not implemented already?
11:57:32  <Tobin> And where did that extra capital letter come from?
11:58:51  <Diablo-D3> holding shift down too long
11:58:57  <XeryusTC> sticky shift key
12:00:37  <Tobin> I wasn't really expecting an answer...
12:00:39  * MeusH is back (gone 00:57:57)
12:03:06  <MeusH> I had fun
12:03:24  <Eddi|zuHause> with 13 year olds in the pub?
12:03:36  <MeusH> nope
12:03:46  <MeusH> 12 year olds mwahahaha
12:04:06  <XeryusTC> 12 year olds are anoying
12:04:06  <lolman> Back
12:04:17  <XeryusTC> lolman: you had fun too?
12:04:17  <MeusH> yeah, my cousing is 12 years old
12:04:23  <MeusH> cousin*
12:04:35  <lolman> XeryusTC: not really, I only ate some food
12:05:02  <XeryusTC> :o
12:05:25  <XeryusTC> eating is fun :)
12:05:30  <lolman> Lol
12:08:10  <Sacro> grr, im hungry
12:08:22  <Brianetta> I have a sister who is 12
12:08:30  <lolman> Sacro: I'm not :)
12:08:52  <Sacro> Brianetta: errm...i hope you wherent replying to me there
12:08:59  <lolman> Brianetta: I have a 12 year old cousin
12:09:12  <lolman> She's an annoying little bugger
12:09:18  <Sacro> i think maybe one or two of my cousins may be 12, i tend to avoid them all
12:09:21  <Brianetta> My cousinb range from 20s to newborn
12:09:32  <Brianetta> All younger than me
12:09:36  <Brianetta> I was first in the generation
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12:09:52  <Sacro> i suppose it took em a while to recover :P
12:10:11  <lolman> Lol Sacro
12:10:17  <XeryusTC> rofl
12:10:23  <Brianetta> late 20s
12:10:31  <Brianetta> They're not that much younger, some of them
12:10:38  * Brianetta has a huge family
12:10:38  <XeryusTC> i've got cousins ranging from 6 to 30 ish
12:10:54  <Sacro> im 22, and the eldest by 4 years to my brother, and 5 to my eldest cousin
12:11:02  <lolman> My oldest cousin is 21
12:11:03  <Sacro> but im getting step-sisters soon
12:11:05  <Brianetta> Helen was rather intimidated to see only half my family at my grandfather's funeral last year
12:11:29  <Sacro> Brianetta: has she not met the whole lot yet then?
12:11:40  <XeryusTC> Brianetta: i think that i would have a bigger family if i would count in all the family of my mothers side ;)
12:12:42  <Brianetta> Sacro: She hasn't met most of the maternal side
12:12:54  <Brianetta> Only the close family (mum, all the sisters)
12:13:29  <Brianetta> She hasn't met my dad's wife and kids, or my mum's borthers and sisters, or half o fmy dad's brothers and sisters
12:13:45  <Brianetta> We did the preliminary wedding invitation list
12:13:51  <Brianetta> Helen had about 20.
12:14:01  <Brianetta> I had about 80 from family along, and then friends
12:14:20  <Brianetta> and no doubt my mum will know more people in the family that need to be invited
12:14:43  <MeusH> lol :)
12:14:50  <XeryusTC> Brianetta: she only has 20 relatives?
12:15:16  <lolman> Brianetta: do what my mam and dad did, only invite 2 people to the wedding (as witnesses) and then tell all your family the day after and have a huge party :P
12:16:01  <lolman> (mind you, they christened my sister the day after the wedding, so the family was there anyway)
12:16:07  <Brianetta> XeryusTC: Living, yes.  Barely.  most aren't technically related to her.
12:17:05  <XeryusTC> hmm
12:17:13  <Brianetta> lolman: I'm getting married on 24 November 2007 at the Lodore Falls Hotel in Borrowdale, Cumbria
12:17:14  <XeryusTC> lol
12:17:25  <XeryusTC> a spider was hunting a fly in this room
12:17:33  <Brianetta> Spiders rock
12:17:38  <XeryusTC> and it caught it just while i was typing "hmm"
12:17:53  <XeryusTC> now they're strugling :D
12:18:00  <XeryusTC> but the spider is 3x as small as the fly
12:18:03  <Brianetta> You reckon the fly has a change of winning?
12:18:06  <lolman> Brianetta: well get a kid for then :-D
12:18:15  <Brianetta> lolman: Fuck that.
12:18:17  <Brianetta> kids---
12:18:21  <XeryusTC> Brianetta: i think it's dead, it doesn't move anymore
12:18:23  <lolman> :P
12:18:24  <Brianetta> My family is huge enough anyway.
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12:18:37  <Brianetta> I have sisters young enough to be my kids.
12:18:46  <Brianetta> Step-brothers, too
12:19:05  <Sacro> my brother is 18, my step-sisters are 24, 23 and 20
12:19:33  <lolman> I'm the youngest of my siblings
12:19:57  <lolman> sister is 21, brothers are 31 and 36
12:20:07  <lolman> (well, half-brothers)
12:20:16  <Brianetta> It's weird being in my mum's house, with kids and toys everywhere, as an adult.  It gives me a very different perspective on my own childhood.
12:20:24  <XeryusTC> i've got half brothers that are old enough to be my dad
12:20:34  <Brianetta> My youngest sister is still in junior school
12:20:37  <lolman> XeryusTC: same
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12:20:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i've got a half brother that i do not even know
12:20:48  <Brianetta> My youngest three sisters are half sisters
12:20:55  <XeryusTC> i never seem them though, as they live 11 hours of flying away from here
12:21:04  <Sacro> lolman: 21 year old sister?
12:21:10  <lolman> Sacro: yeah
12:21:19  <lolman> (and no, she's not available)
12:21:19  <roboboy>  /me is the only one
12:21:23  <XeryusTC> my oldest sister is my half sister, and i got dozens more of them on the other side of the globe
12:21:27  <Sacro> roboboy: i think thats a good thing ;)
12:21:34  <Sacro> *roboboy even
12:21:37  <Brianetta> I have a global family (:
12:21:51  <Brianetta> In fact, next week I'm off to London to meet some of the Japanese lot
12:22:00  <lolman> Brianetta: same, relatives in Australia, Canada and the US
12:22:07  <Brianetta> then my granmother jets off to Sydney to say hello to the Australian lot
12:22:31  <Brianetta> None in the US, me
12:22:36  <Brianetta> No taint in my family (:
12:22:41  <lolman> Lol
12:22:41  <Eddi|zuHause> my furthest relatives (that i know of) live in Karlsruhe...
12:22:55  <Brianetta> I have an uncle in Germany somewhere
12:22:58  <lolman> We haven't heard from our American relatives for a couple of years actually
12:22:58  <XeryusTC> a big part of my family just lives in a town that's 5 kilometers away
12:23:09  <Brianetta> Whell, actually he's wherever McLaren are racing
12:23:13  <Brianetta> since he's pit crew
12:23:30  <XeryusTC> Brianetta: cool B)
12:23:39  <lolman> Brianetta: nice 8)
12:23:45  <Brianetta> He used todrive Mansell's car
12:23:45  <Sacro> ooh, f1
12:23:51  <Brianetta> (in a lorry)
12:24:06  <Sacro> hehe, subtly dropped the last bit
12:24:07  <Brianetta> then he was made redundant and went to Footworks
12:24:12  <Brianetta> then back to McLaren on the up
12:24:25  <Sacro> ahh Footworks
12:24:28  <Brianetta> He made himself useful, trackside
12:24:33  <Eddi|zuHause> XeryusTC: the kind of town where your 2nd degree cousin (mother's side) is also your 3rd degree cousin (father's side)?
12:24:33  <Brianetta> and now is part of The Team
12:24:35  <lolman> Brianetta: what part of the pit crew is he?
12:24:42  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: a 2nd degree cousin?
12:24:47  <Brianetta> lolman: Whatever's needed.  He's technically a driver
12:24:58  <lolman> Brianetta: aah lol
12:25:04  <Brianetta> but he's capable of perating the comuters, etc
12:25:10  <Brianetta> operating, even
12:25:15  <Brianetta> and computers
12:25:20  <Sacro> i nearly got run over by alonso last year :(
12:25:20  <lolman> lol
12:25:31  <Brianetta> Sacro: Stay off the track, man
12:25:32  <roboboy> gnight
12:25:35  <Brianetta> night roboboy
12:25:36  <Sacro> Brianetta: it wasnt on the track
12:25:38  <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: that makes no sense to me, isn't a 2nd degree relative suppose to be your uncle/aunt?
12:25:43  <Sacro> night roboboy
12:25:54  <Eddi|zuHause> well, a cousin is your father's sibling's son (1st degree), and if it was your father's cousin's son, it's 2nd degree
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12:26:01  <XeryusTC> night robotboy
12:27:12  <Brianetta> Eddi: No, second cousin is parent's cousin
12:27:12  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: ahh, twice removed (i think)
12:27:26  <Sacro> Brianetta: isnt that great-cousin?
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12:27:47  <Brianetta> Sacro: Not led to believe so
12:27:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think these names are actually standardized ;)
12:28:14  <Eddi|zuHause> and if they are, i don't know them anyway ;=
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12:28:50  <Sacro> :o 7950GT
12:28:54  * Brianetta looks up wikipedia
12:28:58  <Brianetta> Wikipedia knows all
12:29:05  <lolman> Sacro: I WANT 2!!
12:29:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even know what to call my cousin's sons
12:29:16  <XeryusTC> Brianetta: no it doesnt, it doesnt know my ASL
12:29:23  <Brianetta> Eddi: By name, is my recommendation
12:29:27  <Sacro> lolman: mmm 4 GPU's
12:29:29  <Brianetta> XeryusTC: It will in a moment
12:29:34  <lolman> Sacro: yup!
12:29:44  <XeryusTC> Brianetta: no it wont
12:29:46  <lolman> That + High end Conroe = gaming joy
12:30:21  <stillunknown> don't forget your in the openttd channel :-)
12:30:22  <lolman> Oh and lotsa low latency DDR2 :)
12:30:24  <XeryusTC> lolman: why would you want to play OTTD in a 85 degree Celcius room?
12:30:40  <mikk36|lap> 7950GT <-- was that the double-decker ?
12:30:50  <lolman> XeryusTC: add phase change cooling then :-D
12:31:17  <stillunknown> never buy really high end, just buy midrange two times
12:31:17  <lolman> mikk36<lap: yes
12:31:23  <mikk36|lap> lol
12:31:24  <stillunknown> sli is crazy money spending
12:31:32  <XeryusTC> lolman: just get yourself a pentium-133 :D
12:31:32  <mikk36|lap> i wouldn't buy it :)
12:31:39  <mikk36|lap> i's got too bad cooling
12:31:47  <lolman> XeryusTS: I have a 233...will that do?
12:31:54  <XeryusTC> sure :)
12:32:01  <XeryusTC> and it's XeryusTC
12:32:03  <lolman> =D
12:32:11  <lolman> Oops sorry
12:32:15  <mikk36|lap> learn to use Tab button :)
12:32:18  <XeryusTC> use your tab key
12:32:55  <lolman> XeryusTC: i am now ;0
12:33:03  <XeryusTC> good
12:33:06  <lolman> and my shift key is oroke
12:33:08  <lolman> broke8
12:33:14  <lolman> grr
12:33:17  <mikk36|lap> why not fix it ?
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12:33:28  <mikk36|lap> hey, glx .)
12:33:30  <mikk36|lap> :)
12:33:48  <Eddi|zuHause> seems your entire keyboard is broke ;)
12:33:56  <XeryusTC> now it's time for some anime :)
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12:34:55  <lolman> XeryusTC: lol
12:35:12  <lolman> Eddi|zuHause: only the shift key
12:35:31  <lolman> aha, it's konversation
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12:35:41  <Brianetta>
12:35:56  <Sacro> :o that URL disturbs me
12:35:58  <Brianetta> Th eames are standardized in the Church
12:36:03  <Brianetta> The names
12:36:14  <Brianetta> also:
12:36:16  <Brianetta>
12:36:18  <Brianetta> in colour!
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12:36:46  <Brianetta> Eddi was right about second cousins
12:36:51  <lolman> There we go...stupid Konversation
12:36:57  <lolman> Swapped to Irssi now :)
12:37:09  <mikk36|lap> use xchat :)
12:37:32  <lolman> mikk36|lap: nah lol
12:37:44  <mikk36|lap> why not ? :)
12:37:51  <mikk36|lap> i'm using it :)
12:37:54  <lolman> mikk36|lap: I like Irssi :)
12:38:06  <lolman> Quickly becoming a fan
12:38:40  <Sacro> so you can have multple 2nd cousins 1ce removed
12:38:50  <stillunknown> xchat consumes too much memory iirc (i checked out some irc clients a year ago)
12:39:06  <Sacro> no it doesnt
12:39:23  <lolman> irssi takes 4mb
12:39:34  <lolman> plus the terminal, which is 3.2
12:39:52  <stillunknown> Sacro: then what's the memory consumption?
12:40:09  <lolman> I don't have xchat installed :(
12:40:35  * lolman decides to install it
12:41:05  <Sacro> 14.6MiB
12:41:16  <lolman> Ewwww
12:41:23  <lolman> That's over double irssi :P
12:41:38  <Sacro> which is less than skype, nautilus, gaim, gnome-panal and python
12:42:11  <lolman> Sacro: but more than irssi, which is what the comparison was with ;-)
12:42:14  <Brianetta> Bah
12:42:24  <Sacro> Brianetta: humbug?
12:42:34  <Brianetta> What do you call a same-generation relative who shares one set f grandparents?
12:42:38  <Brianetta> Half-cousin?
12:42:47  <Brianetta> That works like half-sibling, where one parent is shared
12:43:13  <Brianetta> no wait
12:43:18  * Brianetta thinks
12:43:24  <Brianetta> It's a cousin's cousin
12:43:29  <stillunknown> Sacro: Resident memory?
12:43:33  <Brianetta> and not technically sharing any grandparents
12:43:46  <stillunknown> brb
12:43:46  * Brianetta doodles it
12:43:46  <Sacro> Brianetta: dont think it has a specific name
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12:44:03  <Brianetta> Sacro: Meh.  I can't just call them "those ginger relatives"
12:44:09  <Sacro> actually, thinking about it, you might share great, or great great grandparents
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12:44:15  <Brianetta> Sacro: We don't
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12:44:25  <Sacro> Brianetta: the ginger relatives it is then :)
12:44:29  <Brianetta> We share a cousin
12:44:52  <Brianetta> Each of us shares a set of grandparents with that cousin, but it's that cousin's other grandparents
12:44:53  <JohnUK89> xchat uses 13.6MB here...stil way more that irssi
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12:45:00  <Sacro> errm
12:45:08  <Brianetta> IYKWIM
12:45:32  * Brianetta does have a vary large family
12:45:38  <stillunknown> i shamefully admit that my irc client uses 14 MiB resident memory :-(
12:45:39  <Sacro> First cousins in law?
12:45:51  <Brianetta> no, those are (or will be) Helen's cousins
12:45:55  <Sacro> no, cos that'd be your wifes
12:45:58  <Sacro> hmm
12:46:08  <Brianetta> I need a genealogist
12:46:20  <Sacro> you kinda have to go M to get there
12:46:23  <Brianetta> Unfortunately, my aunt Robyn is in Sydney
12:46:27  <Brianetta> Yes, M
12:46:28  <lolman> brb
12:46:35  <Sacro> i doubt there is a term
12:46:41  <Brianetta> I need a term
12:46:49  <Brianetta> I'll write to a vicar
12:46:51  <Sacro> shame we dont speak german, you can quite happily wedge things together to make words
12:46:55  <Brianetta> They know this stuff
12:47:03  <Brianetta> I do speak german
12:47:44  <Brianetta> YES!
12:48:12  <Eddi|zuHause> haha ;)
12:48:26  <Brianetta> no
12:48:28  <Brianetta> damn
12:48:28  <Gonozal_VIII> donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän :-)
12:48:31  <Brianetta> Not half-cousin
12:48:34  <Sacro> nope
12:48:43  <Sacro> you dont share a common ancester, so there is no term
12:49:02  <Brianetta> das Vierwaldstätterseedampfschiffgesellschaftkapitänsmützensternlein
12:49:07  <Sacro> :o
12:49:08  <Brianetta> That was in Deutsch Heute
12:49:19  <Brianetta> the German text book I had in school
12:49:25  <Sacro> its like someone sneezed whilst being electrecuted
12:49:41  <Eddi|zuHause> we once had a contest... someone made a word
12:49:49  <Eddi|zuHause> and each person that replied, added a word to that
12:49:54  <stillunknown> itsoundslikesomeonelostsomekeysontheirkeyboard
12:50:06  <Brianetta> stillunknown: Except it's valid German...
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12:50:26  <Brianetta> You concatenate your adjectives onto the noun to make a compound noun
12:50:33  <Brianetta> We do it in English, to a lesser degree
12:50:34  <stillunknown> still it's not practical german
12:50:36  <Brianetta> hence, speedboat
12:50:56  <Brianetta> stillunknown: Doesn't stop them doing it
12:51:37  <Eddi|zuHause> we got a word of like 400 letters last time i checked...
12:51:56  <lolman> Eddi|zuHause: copy/paste into here? :P
12:52:06  <Eddi|zuHause> that was a long time ago...
12:52:08  <lolman> Sounds like an interesting word :)
12:52:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i see if i can find it...
12:53:08  <Bjarni> Brianetta: are you a catholic by any chance?
12:53:50  <Brianetta> Bjarni: I was confirmed Church of England at 11, was a happy-clappy-born-again Christian from 14 to 24, then I lost my faith completely.  I was never a Catholic.
12:54:05  <Bjarni> actually I meant more like your family
12:54:18  <ln-> in finnish it's possible to make arbitrarily long words by just combining nouns. (grammatical, but not necessarily sensible)
12:54:21  <Brianetta> Not a catholic family at all.  Protestant through and through
12:54:25  <Bjarni> no birth control for religious reasons ;)
12:54:52  <stillunknown> religion can be a strange thing
12:54:52  <Bjarni> so what you are saying is that you got a horny family?
12:55:03  <Brianetta> Bjarni: The family is large because of longevity and a fair amount of remarriage
12:55:16  <Brianetta> but yes, horniness no doubt played its part
12:55:20  <lolman> Brianetta: so it's an unstable family lol
12:55:24  <Brianetta> and the fact that we all keep in touch
12:55:41  <Brianetta> lolman: My mum is on her third marriage, and my adopted dad his third
12:55:52  <Brianetta> They were each other's second
12:55:55  <lolman> Brianetta: I'll take that as a yes ;-)
12:56:05  <Brianetta> If we include my biological father, we get an even bigger crowd
12:56:09  <Bjarni> I never managed to figure out how to keep track of such families
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12:56:34  <stillunknown> maybe give them numbers
12:56:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i cannot find it anymore...
12:56:42  <Brianetta> Bjarni: Maintain four links.  If they do the same (common in my family) you get an exponential capability of communication.
12:56:46  <lolman> Electronic tags?
12:57:05  <Brianetta> I keep in touch with my sister, my dad, my grandmother and my mum
12:57:12  <Brianetta> all of whom live in separate locations
12:57:32  <stillunknown> i wonder whoever came up with the word "mum"
12:57:46  <Brianetta> stillunknown: a baby, probably
12:57:50  <Bjarni> I meant more like how to figure out how who is related to who
12:57:58  <Brianetta> Bjarni: I just know
12:58:01  <Brianetta> It's my family
12:58:22  <Bjarni> I see
12:58:43  <Eddi|zuHause> it's better than a soap opera ;)
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12:59:24  <lolman> Soap operas suck
12:59:26  <lolman> :P
12:59:27  <Bjarni> isn't it hard with all the ex spouses when you figure out who to invite for Christmas, birthday and so on?
12:59:42  <stillunknown> just invite the people that you normally see :-)
12:59:45  <Brianetta> Bjarni: I don't generally invite people
12:59:54  <Brianetta> although the wedding is going to be interesting
12:59:54  <Bjarni> lolman: soap is slippery. That's not the same as sucks :p
13:00:07  <Brianetta> but my mum and dad promise to behave (:
13:00:19  <Brianetta> and helen's mum and dad (also divorced)
13:00:25  <Brianetta> and their partners / spouses
13:00:28  <lolman> Bjarni: shhh :)
13:00:53  <stillunknown> a wedding must be awfull
13:01:08  <Bjarni> I can see that Brianetta and Helen will have to spend months planning the table plan
13:01:28  <Bjarni> who can be at the same table and who can't....
13:01:28  <Eddi|zuHause> <Brianetta> Bjarni: I don't generally invite people <- they just show up anyway? ;)
13:01:47  <Zavior> :)
13:01:55  <Bjarni> gate crashers, ehh ;)
13:02:07  <Brianetta> Eddi: I live far from the family
13:02:33  <lolman> Brianetta: and you told me to use the tab key? :P
13:03:01  <Bjarni> I don't get that family. You stay in touch, but spread out on 3 continents and nobody is in touch with everybody
13:03:05  <Bjarni> some family...
13:03:20  <Bjarni> Brianetta: are you born in Hull by any chance?
13:03:32  <Brianetta> no
13:03:36  <Brianetta> Lakes
13:03:50  <Bjarni> you were born in a lake???
13:03:55  <Brianetta> The Lakes
13:03:58  <Bjarni> the rest of us are born at hospitals
13:04:03  <Sacro> Bjarni: what have you got against Hull?
13:04:24  <MeusH> My starship has got a titanium hull
13:04:40  <Bjarni> Sacro: well, they do seem to start getting children at an early age, which is a sign of poor relationships and they can manage to get a whole lot of children
13:04:41  <lolman> Sacro: Hull is horrible
13:04:56  <Bjarni> MeusH: Hull is a town in England
13:05:05  <Bjarni> do not go there
13:05:09  <MeusH> thanks
13:05:13  <MeusH> why shouldn't I go there?
13:05:25  <Bjarni> I can't answer that
13:05:33  <Bjarni> I don't know why anybody would go there
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13:05:52  <Sacro> MeusH: ignore Bjarni, its actually a city
13:05:55  <lolman> Hull has the cheapest house prices in England, THAT'S why people go there
13:06:01  * Bjarni wonders if everybody in Hull is related into one huge family
13:06:11  <Sacro> nah
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13:06:17  <Sacro> its getting full of polish people
13:06:20  <MeusH> <- lool
13:06:41  <peter1138> hull has a cathedral? hmm
13:06:42  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	its getting full of polish people <-- turning it into a place for MeusH?
13:06:45  <Sacro> "Hull has the most 20 miles per hour zones in the UK." <- never knew that, though it makes sense
13:06:57  <Sacro> Bjarni: dunno, they come over for work
13:09:17  <Sacro> gah, wikipedia really needs its entry for Hull sorting
13:09:25  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	"Hull has the most 20 miles per hour zones in the UK." <- never knew that, though it makes sense <-- yeah, when both parents and children are children
13:09:42  <Bjarni> also poor road conditions
13:09:46  <Sacro> Bjarni: they dont move out the way of cars very fast
13:10:09  <Sacro> the worrying thing is that if you go slower than 20 you run the risk of having your car nicked
13:10:10  <Bjarni> ahh
13:10:13  <Bjarni> fat people
13:10:23  <peter1138> "Unlike many other ancient English cities, Hull has no cathedral."
13:10:25  <peter1138> hmm
13:10:43  <peter1138> i guess it all comes under Hull's "special" status
13:10:59  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	the worrying thing is that if you go slower than 20 you run the risk of having your car nicked <-- they learn from Venezuela?
13:11:25  <Bjarni> in Venezuela, they drive past red lights because stopping is more dangerous than risking hitting other cars
13:11:45  <Sacro> peter1138: no, but we do have the biggest church in europe (by volume)
13:11:48  <Bjarni> well, at least in certain parts of the country
13:12:00  <Sacro> Bjarni: no, people in Hull dont learn
13:12:05  <Bjarni> good point
13:12:42  <Sacro> heh, Hull was thought to be where syphillis entered the UK
13:12:57  <lolman> Sacro: wouldn't surprise me
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13:13:24  <peter1138> Sacro: see what you mean... the second paragraph of History is... terrible... needs some proper editor
13:13:56  <Sacro> peter1138: they've misspelt "Beverley"
13:14:22  <Sacro> and turners on bev road SOLD "everything but the girl"
13:15:00  <Sacro> AND THE HUMBER IS NOT A RIVER!!!
13:15:20  <lolman> Sacro: It's a sewage works!
13:15:23  <lolman> :-D
13:15:33  <Sacro> lolman: well...yes, it does have a wonderful brown colour
13:15:46  <peter1138> lol
13:16:39  <lolman> Hehe
13:16:48  <lolman> Half the reason I'm never going to Hull
13:17:10  <lolman> That and the high pregnancy rate :-X
13:17:26  <Sacro> yeah...keeps the population up
13:17:53  <lolman> Lol
13:18:06  <Sacro> the disturbing thing is, is that if everyone in Hull died at 16, the city would still keep going for a long time
13:18:11  <Bjarni> I bet they don't live long
13:18:17  <Sacro> Bjarni: no...they do
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13:18:30  <Bjarni> they do?
13:18:59  <Bjarni> then kick it out of England. They are feeding on your taxes
13:19:08  <Bjarni> they can't pay for their own hospital bills
13:19:16  <Bjarni> slackers
13:19:19  <Bjarni> all of them
13:19:38  <peter1138> "Rob Hubbard, a very famous Commodore 64 SID6581 composer was born in Hull."
13:19:49  <Zavior> :)
13:19:51  <peter1138> very famous! everyone knows of him!
13:20:15  <lolman> Who? :P
13:20:20  <Bjarni> well, he did have a lot of time on his hands
13:20:31  <Bjarni> too dangerous to go outdoors for a smart guy like him
13:22:23  <Sacro> peter1138: hehe
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13:24:07  <lolman> Belugas: ello
13:25:05  <Belugas> hello lolman
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13:26:30  <Sacro> Champion (Really good - as in, "It were reet champion")
13:26:37  <Sacro> hehe, i love our dialect
13:28:18  <Sacro> rofl
13:28:19  <Sacro> t' (the, accompanied by an apostrophe, e.g. "Has thou seen-t'new Pope? Eye's of a killer, 'e 'as")
13:29:46  <SpComb> Logs:
13:29:46  <Sacro> !logs
13:29:58  * Sacro turns up gorillaz
13:30:12  <OwenS> hMM
13:30:27  <OwenS> I need to buy a Pacifica supporting AMD and install Xen
13:31:40  <Diablo-D3> those wont be out for a bit
13:32:23  <OwenS> They are out
13:32:41  <OwenS> FX-62. Turion 64 X2 and all AM2 CPUs
13:34:12  <Sacro> "Please leave no milk today. When I say today, I mean tomorrow, because I wrote this note yesterday."
13:34:44  <OwenS> rofl
13:35:53  <peter1138> pacifica?
13:36:01  <lolman> Sacro: you're a nutcase
13:36:15  <Sacro> peter1138: i think its AMDs version of vanderpool
13:36:21  <peter1138> vanderpool?
13:36:23  <Bjarni> Sacro: that's your usual precision?
13:36:50  <Sacro> Bjarni: meaning?
13:37:15  <lolman> peter1138: it makes a CPU support virtualisation, meaning it runs Xen much better :)
13:37:23  <Bjarni> that it's perfectly clear what day you meant ;)
13:37:26  <Sacro> peter1138: for x86 virtualisation
13:37:27  <Bjarni> or not :p
13:37:35  <OwenS> peter1138: Pacifica/Vanderpool, also known as VT, fool guest OSes into not knowing theyre virtualized
13:37:37  <peter1138> Xen?
13:37:44  <OwenS> Fastest emulator arround
13:37:45  <OwenS> Period
13:37:58  <OwenS> Pacifica is somewhat more advanced since the CPU has the virtual MMU
13:38:05  <Darkvater> OwenS: wit the only difference that with Intel's Vanderpool, virtualization is even slower than without :S
13:38:10  * Sacro sways to Dirty Harry
13:38:15  <Diablo-D3> its not an emulator though
13:38:30  <Diablo-D3> it just allows you to hijack the mmu and the priority rings
13:38:49  <OwenS> Darkvater: Yes, it has to fire interupts into the kernel for Ring0 operations
13:39:06  <OwenS> With an Xen native kernel it just calls the functions
13:39:13  <Diablo-D3> actually, OwenS
13:39:28  <Diablo-D3> Xen supports/will support x86 virtualization
13:39:29  <Patrick`> xen is supposed to be faster than current hardware virtualisation implementations
13:39:44  <OwenS> Diablo-D3: Only with custom kernels
13:39:49  <Diablo-D3> Patrick`: well, thats the thing
13:39:52  <OwenS> Diablo-D3: And Pacifica/Vanderpool
13:39:54  <Diablo-D3> xen isnt really a virtual machine
13:40:06  <OwenS> But, delegating 1gb ram to Linux, 512mp to Windows XP, and the rest to an assortment of other distros and OSes would rock ^^
13:40:10  <Patrick`> (you have to rewrite the kernel for xen
13:40:15  <Diablo-D3> its a virtual... uh... something or rather.
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13:40:28  <peter1138> "virtual machine monitor"
13:40:32  <Diablo-D3> peter1138: that works.
13:40:39  <peter1138> that's what i says on the webpage
13:40:42  <peter1138> *it
13:40:47  <Diablo-D3> and no, Patrick`
13:40:47  <Triffid_Hunter> xen is the kernel equivalent of uml afaik
13:40:53  * OwenS looks at a perfect Acid2 result
13:41:00  <Diablo-D3> xen will run windows umodified with hardware support
13:41:08  <Patrick`> yes, with hardware support.
13:41:09  <Diablo-D3> Triffid_Hunter: eh, sort of
13:41:11  <OwenS> Yes, thats why I want a Pacifica CPU ^^
13:41:14  <Diablo-D3> xen is sorta like uml done right
13:41:15  <Patrick`> hardware support which is crappier than recompiling
13:41:15  <ChrisM87> Does inflation make prices still rise after 2090?
13:41:26  <Diablo-D3> Patrick`: nope.
13:41:36  <Patrick`> currently slower, I should say.
13:41:39  <Diablo-D3> nope
13:41:44  <Patrick`> yes it sodding well is
13:41:47  <Diablo-D3> nope, it isnt.
13:41:54  <Diablo-D3> hardware support is, infact, faster
13:41:58  <Patrick`> link to benchmarks plz?
13:42:02  <Diablo-D3> its just xen doing it wrong
13:42:11  <OwenS> Diablo-D3: No, it IS slower
13:42:18  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: the _support_ isnt
13:42:22  <Diablo-D3> xen using the support is.
13:42:23  <OwenS> Xen when running a compiled kernel is fast because theres no interupts to listen for
13:42:48  <OwenS> With hardware support it will ALWAYS be slower than a custom kernel BECAUSE it has to respond to those interrupts. Entering an interupt handler is SLOW
13:43:10  <Diablo-D3> wow, thats bullshit OwenS
13:43:20  <OwenS> Interupts are slower than function calls
13:43:23  <Diablo-D3> the hardware support already includes the hardware.
13:43:40  <Diablo-D3> or rather, their APIC already supports what xen needs
13:44:04  <Diablo-D3> xen just needs to actually use it
13:44:57  * lolman bangs Diablo-D3 and OwenS's heads together
13:45:03  * Diablo-D3 cuts lolman in two
13:45:03  <lolman> Stop arguing! :P
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13:45:20  <OwenS> push val;
13:45:20  <OwenS> push val2;
13:45:20  <OwenS> call emufunc;
13:45:20  <OwenS> <function>
13:45:20  <OwenS> Is faster than
13:45:20  <OwenS> mov eax val1
13:45:23  <OwenS> mov ecx val2
13:45:23  <OwenS> int <x>
13:45:25  <OwenS> <Wait a few cycles for the interrput to pop in>
13:45:25  <OwenS> push eax
13:45:27  <OwenS> push ecx
13:45:27  <OwenS> push edx
13:45:29  <OwenS> <etc for EVERY register>
13:45:29  <OwenS> <do stuff>
13:46:06  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: unless, of course, this is being done in parallel by the apic hardware
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13:46:20  <lolman> OwenS: sounds like what Bochs would do, that
13:46:29  <OwenS> The CPU is doing no work while ti's saving the registers, except saving them
13:46:29  <Diablo-D3> lolman: no, bochs is a complete system emulator
13:46:35  <OwenS> The APIC can't do that
13:46:37  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: which isnt true
13:46:49  <Diablo-D3> or atleast, shouldnt be true
13:46:54  <Diablo-D3> Im not entirely sure how fucked up xen is
13:46:59  <Diablo-D3> but the hardware can already do what I ask
13:47:00  <Sacro> ?????????
13:47:18  <lolman> Sacro: stop the chinese please ;-)
13:47:27  <lolman> Can't understand it :P
13:47:28  <OwenS> Interupts are slow....
13:47:52  <Sacro> ???? ?? ????????? ?????/????? ???
13:47:53  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: except when you have multiple operating systems issuing interrupts to fake hardware.
13:48:09  * lolman slaps Sacro for being pedantic
13:48:18  <OwenS> This is the thing, Interupts are slow compared to function calls
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13:48:33  <Darkvater> :s
13:48:34  <Sacro> lolman: ???
13:48:37  <Diablo-D3> but you're trying to say using xen magically makes interrupts disapear
13:48:38  <Darkvater> bug in VS2003
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13:48:39  <Darkvater> FIX: If you turn on optimization, your generated code may not be correct
13:48:49  <Diablo-D3> interrupts are _always_ generated
13:48:51  <Sacro> Darkvater: but is it quicker?
13:49:05  <Diablo-D3> want to write or read to the hd from any machine in xen? theres interrupts bing generated.
13:49:10  <Diablo-D3> no matter how your xen is setup
13:49:25  <Diablo-D3> hell, uml is the same way
13:49:42  * Darkvater installs VS2003 SP1
13:49:44  <Diablo-D3> uml kernel reads drive, real kernel reads real drive and this involves interrupts
13:49:59  <Bjarni> err... sometimes searching qdb for your own nick can give weird results
13:50:00  <Bjarni>
13:50:01  <OwenS> Diablo-D3: When a non Xen aware OS calls a Ring0 only instruction, the CPU causes an Interupt in Xen. When it's aware, INSTEAD of the Ring0 instruction and causing the interupt it just calls an Xen function
13:50:05  <Bjarni> who posted that?
13:50:15  * Sacro whistles
13:50:21  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: yes, but interrupts are _still happening_
13:50:30  <OwenS> Diablo-D3: Only when they happen normally
13:50:33  <Diablo-D3> yes
13:50:36  <Diablo-D3> and they're still slow.
13:51:13  <OwenS> Disk access? Theres no interupt into Xen, they just call Xen which does it with 1 less interupt. With VT/Pacifica, it has to interupt into Xen first
13:51:32  <OwenS> And HD access is done 99% of the time with DMA anyway
13:51:33  <Sacro> Bjarni: i had nothing to do with that one...
13:51:56  <OwenS> Not with BIOS interupts
13:52:05  <Diablo-D3> but what I'm saying is having the VM OS interrupt the Ring0 OS doesnt cause any real additional speed loss
13:52:08  <Sacro> lolman: ?? ???????? ??-??????????
13:52:21  * lolman slaps Sacro some more
13:52:27  <lolman> !stats
13:52:28  <DorpsGek>
13:52:37  <Bjarni> <-- I can't remember this one, but it sure sounds like something I could have said
13:52:42  <OwenS> Diablo-D3: It's yje syiff reqiuired in an interupt which causes the loss though
13:52:45  <Sacro> stats are
13:52:49  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: english
13:53:11  <OwenS> Rofl!
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13:53:22  <OwenS> It's the stuff ....
13:53:51  <lolman> My other name got to the top 25!
13:53:51  <Sacro> :o Sacro wasn't very popular, getting kicked 5 times!
13:53:59  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: which is handled easily since the fake APIC isnt used by ring0
13:54:34  <Sacro> !kick lolman
13:54:46  <lolman> !ban Sacro
13:54:46  <Diablo-D3> pacifica is supposed to have multiple fake APICs, but I cant remember if intel's will or not
13:54:48  * XeryusTC puts OwenS back to #openttdcoop where he belongs :)
13:55:16  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: you're missing the biggest problem though
13:55:25  * orudge still hasn't managed to get mIRC not to be a pain on 'OwenS'
13:55:26  <orudge> Grr.
13:55:30  * orudge sighs
13:55:42  <Diablo-D3> any released version of windows will not run without this hardware
13:55:47  <orudge> If anybody says 'orudge' and wants to speak to me, I may not notice it as I'm not clicking #openttd every time it flashes. /notice or /query me ;>
13:55:47  * OwenS laughs! OwenS! OwenS!
13:55:47  <Diablo-D3> windows is the ultimate goal of xen
13:56:05  <OwenS> And it runs with VT/Pacifica :)
13:56:09  <Diablo-D3> yup
13:56:12  <Darkvater> orudge: so how about OS/2 support?
13:56:37  <OwenS> Diablo-D3: No, the real one is. So, you interupt, save the registers and handle it. While this IS slower than a function call, it should only be negligable. I would guess theres something else at play, maybe Xen is last in the kernel's interupt handler?
13:56:40  *** lolman is now known as JohnUK89
13:56:52  <Bjarni> Darkvater: <-- you are mentioned in this one... from last night
13:56:54  *** OwenS is now known as lolman
13:57:00  <lolman> This reminds me of last night :P
13:57:00  <Bjarni> not again
13:57:02  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: like I said, its not enough to care
13:57:07  *** lolman is now known as OwenS
13:57:18  *** JohnUK89 was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [get a real name]
13:57:20  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: what you cause is latency
13:57:21  <Sacro> [14:58] <Bjarni> not again <-- ?
13:57:22  *** OwenS was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [get a real name]
13:57:27  <Diablo-D3> you dont cause an actual speed loss
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13:57:36  <peter1138> ...
13:57:38  <Sacro> ah!
13:57:39  <JohnUK89> :o
13:57:41  <Bjarni> Sacro: they started switching names again
13:57:50  <Sacro> lol
13:57:50  <Diablo-D3> the APIC design allows you to basically queue stuff
13:57:53  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: this is the name I first used
13:58:00  <JohnUK89> You can't kick me for using it
13:58:04  <JohnUK89> :)
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13:58:07  <OwenS> O.o
13:58:10  <Diablo-D3> meh
13:58:12  <OwenS> I HAVE a real name
13:58:19  <Diablo-D3> <Diablo-D3> OwenS: what you cause is latency
13:58:22  <Diablo-D3> <Diablo-D3> you dont cause an actual speed loss
13:58:26  <Diablo-D3> <Diablo-D3> the APIC design allows you to basically queue stuff
13:58:35  <Bjarni> well, now you are not switched anymore
13:58:38  <Bjarni> good :)
13:58:54  <JohnUK89> Bjarni: I was about to ghost him, actually ;-)
13:59:09  <Diablo-D3> OwenS: whats retarded is windows was never designed to run with a hypervisor
13:59:12  <Diablo-D3> which is retarded
13:59:38  <peter1138> i tell you waht's retarded
13:59:39  <OwenS> Haha, though they didn't exist at the time
13:59:45  <peter1138> my isp fucking up my adsl line
13:59:48  <OwenS> I doubt Windows will ever support Xen, since Xen uses Linux :P
14:00:11  <Diablo-D3> no, hypervisors have existed for a long time
14:00:18  <Diablo-D3> just on other hardware platforms
14:00:31  <Triffid_Hunter> appariently someone wrote a thing for windows xp so it could run as a xen guest, but legal issues prevent it from being released..
14:00:31  <Diablo-D3> and no, Windows no longer has to support Xen
14:00:37  <peter1138> also, my gas & electric company's website is fucked
14:00:48  <Diablo-D3> the hardware support fixes that
14:01:12  <orudge> [14:56:13] <Darkvater> orudge: so how about OS/2 support?
14:01:23  <orudge> Once I reinstall Virtual PC/vmware and get OS/2 back up and running
14:01:24  <peter1138> contact us > "Knowledge server is not running please try late.r"
14:01:25  <orudge> and reinstall Watcom
14:01:29  <orudge> and generally get my PC into shape
14:01:36  <orudge> then I shall take a look at the GCC patch and see what I can do
14:01:52  *** MeusH[away] is now known as MeusH
14:01:54  <Darkvater> \o/
14:02:02  <ln-> is there a watcom makefile in svn?
14:02:03  <Darkvater> orudge: 2007>
14:02:33  <Bjarni> Darkvater: yeah, I don't know why they rejected that one... it's good
14:02:43  <Bjarni> and I really made that typo xD
14:03:18  <Darkvater> <Born_Acorn> (@Bjarni) should we remind you to wank
14:03:18  <Darkvater> <Born_Acorn> (Born_Acorn) yes
14:03:18  <Darkvater> <Born_Acorn> (Born_Acorn) we should
14:03:20  <Darkvater> <Born_Acorn> (HackyKid) yeah, i might forget
14:03:27  <orudge> Darkvater: Well, hopefully sometime this month, rather than 2007 ¬_
14:03:33  <orudge> but we will see :p
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14:05:00  <Darkvater>
14:05:07  <Darkvater> <Bjarni> weird. I just posted on the forum and now I got "Posts: 1138"
14:05:07  <Darkvater> <Bjarni> I got peterified :o
14:05:08  <Darkvater> <peter1138> :D
14:06:06  <mikk36> lol
14:06:36  <Darkvater>
14:06:39  <Darkvater> haha awesome
14:07:09  <Sacro> ROFFLEWAFFLEZ :D
14:07:11  <Bjarni> the guy, who posted this one (not me) did it poorly
14:07:14  <mikk36> lol
14:07:21  <Bjarni> like 10 or 15 people replied "top gun"
14:07:30  <orudge> [15:02:02] <ln-> is there a watcom makefile in svn? <-- there's a project file
14:07:39  <orudge> but Watcom doesn't support some of the C++ used in trunk
14:07:43  <orudge> but 0.4.x will build
14:08:02  <Bjarni> <-- this one actually hurt in real life....
14:09:58  <Darkvater> <-- hehe loser
14:11:00  <peter1138> instead of reading quote sites
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14:11:03  <peter1138> merge tgp !
14:11:15  * Darkvater is addicted
14:11:22  <Sacro> peter1138: good idea!
14:11:23  <Darkvater> save my soul
14:11:23  <peter1138> it's all bjarni's fault
14:11:28  <peter1138> TGP!
14:11:30  <Bjarni> why me?
14:11:37  <peter1138> because you started it
14:11:45  <Bjarni> I read though that diff and I think it's ok to merge it
14:11:54  <Bjarni> no, I didn't start TGP
14:11:54  <peter1138> i've not read it
14:11:57  <Sacro> whooo
14:12:00  <peter1138> but i know that it's had a massive clean up
14:12:02  <Sacro> Bjarni: commitage!
14:12:20  <Darkvater>
14:12:22  <ln-> orudge: what kind of C++ is that? something that uses STL containers?
14:12:31  <Bjarni> Sacro: no, Darkvater need to take a look as well
14:13:03  <orudge> I'm not entirely sure what it specifically is, I'm not all that knowledgeable about more advanced C++ stuff
14:13:08  <orudge> Watcom doesn't seem to like it, anyway
14:13:20  <orudge> and KuDR couldn't figure out how to fix it, so presumably it's Watcom that is broken
14:13:22  <Bjarni> Darkvater:
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14:13:53  <Bjarni> orudge: YAPF fails to compile on OSX 10.2 as well
14:13:54  <Prof_Frink> Bah, I'm only on once
14:14:10  <Bjarni> it works on 10.3 though, so I haven't bothered really looking into it
14:14:11  <peter1138> Bjarni: buy me an OS X 10.2 machine, and i'll fix it
14:14:23  <orudge> peter1138:,
14:14:24  <orudge> ;>
14:14:39  <Bjarni> hehe
14:14:55  <peter1138> far too slow
14:15:06  <Bjarni> I tried to get pearpc to work on OSX, but that didn't really work as I had hoped :(
14:15:16  <Bjarni> in fact, it didn't compile
14:15:29  <orudge> I'm still pondering whether my next laptop purchase should be MacBook or a more traditional PC
14:15:35  <orudge> I'm thinking perhaps the latter, but we will see
14:15:43  * orudge thinks he may purchase whatever he's going to purchase when he goes to the US in November
14:15:46  <ln-> a Mac of course
14:16:00  <Prof_Frink> Macintoys are shiny.
14:16:59  *** Netsplit <-> quits: ChrisM87, Maedhros, Diablo-D3, miika, PAStheLoD, Belugas, Mucht|work
14:16:59  *** Netsplit <-> quits: AciD
14:17:17  <Sacro> be gone with you!
14:17:28  <Bjarni> hmm
14:17:30  <Prof_Frink> Ha! oftc is teh suck.
14:17:36  <Bjarni> I getting to kick happy lately
14:17:45  <Prof_Frink> Quakenet never has netsplits.
14:18:08  <Sacro> Prof_Frink: it bloody does
14:18:15  <Sacro> usually its just me...
14:18:20  <Prof_Frink> No it doesn't.
14:18:26  <WolfAngel> lol Patrick`
14:18:29  <Sacro> :o IVE NETSPLIT LOADS
14:18:29  <WolfAngel> woops
14:18:45  <Prof_Frink> patchman says so.
14:18:46  <WolfAngel> Prof_Frink : Quakenet netsplits...
14:19:13  *** Netsplit over, joins: miika, ChrisM87, PAStheLoD, Belugas, Mucht|work, Maedhros, Diablo-D3, AciD
14:19:18  <Mucht|work> Austria
14:19:21  <Mucht|work> hehe
14:19:26  <Mucht|work> STOP :-P
14:19:30  <stillunknown> there is a way to avoid netsplits
14:19:37  <WolfAngel> yeah...
14:19:39  <Prof_Frink> Only have one server?
14:19:44  <stillunknown> yes :-)
14:20:22  <Belugas> there goes my theory...
14:20:35  <WolfAngel> about?
14:20:35  <WolfAngel> ^^
14:21:06  <stillunknown> a redundant irc based network is another option
14:21:31  <stillunknown> (send everything to 2 or 3 servers and if one fails, the world goes on)
14:21:41  <WolfAngel> *.net *.splits isen't that hard on you are it?
14:22:38  <stillunknown> no
14:26:15  *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ
14:26:18  *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ
14:26:27  <Sacro> wtf
14:26:38  <orudge> hOW ODD
14:26:40  <orudge> Whoops
14:26:44  <Sacro> has ChanServ just returned
14:26:45  <orudge> and what's mode +R, I wonder?
14:26:57  <Sacro> i dont know, but i am
14:27:09  <hylje> +R is registered
14:27:15  <hylje> same as e on fn
14:27:33  <orudge> Ah, right
14:29:44  <OwenS> OK, who the fuck registered my nick with Nickserv?
14:31:28  <Sacro> bwahahah
14:31:45  <peter1138> someone on june 24th
14:31:45  <Sacro> i'd check with the other owen
14:31:55  <OwenS> JUNE 24th?
14:31:59  <OwenS> We weren't here June 24th
14:32:16  <orudge> Then somebody else has that name!
14:32:22  * orudge didn't register it, though.
14:32:22  <peter1138> no
14:32:29  <peter1138> i bet orudge did it
14:32:34  <orudge> Perhaps you could call yourself OweenS.
14:32:37  <orudge> No, I really didn't.
14:32:40  <peter1138> y:)
14:32:40  <orudge> I'm not that vindictive.
14:32:56  <hylje> Ow3nS
14:33:02  <OwenS> Wait a minuite... JohnUK89 has mentioned ghosting me a few times. Show yourself :P
14:33:15  <Brianetta> [14:27] -NickServ- This nickname is registered and protected.  If it is your
14:33:15  <Brianetta> [14:27] -NickServ- nick, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY password.  Otherwise,
14:33:15  <Brianetta> [14:27] -NickServ- please choose a different nick.
14:33:15  <Brianetta> [14:27] -NickServ- You have been automatically identifie
14:33:18  <Brianetta> Dumb services.
14:33:25  <Brianetta> Why bother me with the first three lines?
14:33:29  <Sacro> lol
14:34:05  * Sacro considers making a custom Ubuntu live-cd
14:35:07  <Bjarni> so you will have boobs on the wallpaper?
14:36:00  * JohnUK89 slaps OwenS
14:36:04  <JohnUK89> :)
14:36:11  * OwenS demands his name back
14:36:14  <MeusH> Bjarni, you sinner!
14:36:14  <JohnUK89> You reckon I'd register your nick (one I've never used)
14:36:25  *** MeusH is now known as MeusH[away]
14:36:36  <OwenS> You have commented about nickserv ghosting me a few times
14:36:47  <JohnUK89> for using lolman :)
14:36:50  <Sacro> BOOBS :D
14:37:00  <Brianetta> Bjarni: He said custom, not default...
14:37:18  <OwenS> Dapper's is just the logo
14:37:22  <Sacro> Brianetta: are you referring to Linuxxx ?
14:37:25  <OwenS> Not like the original (Warty?)
14:37:27  <Brianetta> ubuntu
14:37:54  <Sacro> yes, that was what /. called it
14:38:03  *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan
14:38:11  <Brianetta> DaleStan
14:38:26  * DaleStan needs to add a script to do that automatically sometime soonish.
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15:07:12  <JohnUK89> Ooooh I got a copy of Max Payne here...let's see if it works...
15:09:06  <JohnUK89> Hmm...anyone know of a Linux archiver that handles *.ace files?
15:09:51  <Triffid_Hunter> JohnUK89: ark possibly
15:10:08  <JohnUK89> Triffid_Hunter: ta, I'll give it a go
15:10:40  <JohnUK89> Nope :(
15:11:22  <Zoiah> JohnUK89: "unace - uncompress .ace files" :)
15:12:33  <JohnUK89> Just installing uncae now...ta :-D
15:12:37  <JohnUK89> unace*
15:13:56  <JohnUK89> le compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible.
15:13:58  <JohnUK89> BUGGER!
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15:28:09  <Sacro> pmsl, juts been asked whats linux like with virii
15:28:36  <JohnUK89> Sacro: lol
15:29:06  <Diablo-D3> its just the same as linux without virii
15:30:24  <peter1138> mmm, viruses
15:30:38  <Brianetta> virii - ENOTAWORD
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15:30:43  <peter1138> i've never caught a linux virus
15:30:47  <Sacro>
15:30:52  <peter1138> but then i've never caught a windows virus either
15:30:58  <Sacro> Rexxie: IE6 on linux
15:30:59  <Brianetta> peter1138: There are only about three that work, and you have to set the system up for them, specially
15:31:01  <Sacro> oops :s
15:31:28  <Darkvater> I had the RPC thingie once
15:31:31  <Sacro> Codeweavers state "Silver
15:31:31  <Sacro> This application installs, and runs well enough to be usable. However we find it has enough bugs to prevent it from running flawlessly."
15:31:42  <Darkvater> was so stupid to install WinXP with the network cable plugged in :(
15:31:48  <Sacro> Darkvater: whoops
15:31:51  <Darkvater> that was the day I truly started hating windows
15:31:53  <JohnUK89> Sacro: it has bugs anyway :P
15:32:04  <Brianetta> Windows needs a redesign
15:32:10  <Sacro> JohnUK89: i know, the thing that made me fall off my chair laughing is that XP has it inbuilt!
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15:32:14  <Darkvater> windows needs a new map-array ;)
15:32:18  <Brianetta> Like when Apple threw away System and went with BSD/Darwin
15:32:26  <JohnUK89> Sacro: yeah :-D
15:32:29  <Brianetta> MS needs to think along those lines
15:33:51  <Darkvater> my whole pc is about as responsive as a i386 running win2k while it's trying to install VS2003 SP1
15:33:54  <Darkvater> how sick is that?
15:34:23  <Brianetta> QDB number 306: <NtG> people beta test a MS product every time they boot windows
15:34:26  <Brianetta> Quite apt, I thought
15:34:31  <Darkvater> takes 30 minutes to boot notepad :/
15:34:58  <Sacro> Darkvater: whats worse is that it takes around an hour to install it
15:35:03  <Sacro> and costs around £60
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15:35:12  <Darkvater> the SP should be free
15:35:35  <Darkvater> ok 10 minutes of 'please wait...' and now in its 5th minute of 'preparing to install...'
15:35:42  <peter1138> heh
15:35:44  <Darkvater> now what the fuck does the program actually do?
15:35:53  <Brianetta> I own two copies of XP Home, one copy of WIndows 98 SE and one Windows 95 OSR2.
15:35:54  <peter1138> fills your harddrive
15:36:00  <Brianetta> That's four copies of Windows more than I need.
15:36:30  <Darkvater> int main() {printf("please wait\n"};sleep(10000);printf("preparing to install...\n");sleep(283423); return 0;}
15:36:36  <Sacro> i have 1 copy of 95, and 1 of XP Home
15:37:06  <Sacro> for i = 1, i = $numberofXPBugs, i++ sleep $i
15:37:08  <Brianetta> It was cheaper to by my Thinkpad with Windows than without
15:37:15  <Brianetta> which is just binkers
15:37:17  <Brianetta> er
15:37:19  <Brianetta> bonkers
15:37:19  <JohnUK89> 1 copy of 95 OSR2, 2 copies of 98SE, 2 copies of XP Home and 1 copy of XP Pro
15:37:23  <JohnUK89> :S
15:37:45  <Darkvater> 3 legal copies of XP pro here ;p
15:37:55  <JohnUK89> (not to mention my copy of 3.11)
15:37:59  <Brianetta> Darkvater: How many illegal?
15:38:03  <Brianetta> Since you did specify
15:38:18  <Brianetta> I never owned a 3.11 license
15:38:32  <Darkvater> Brianetta: hmm about 4-5. win2k/98/95
15:39:01  <Darkvater> YES
15:39:14  <Darkvater> 'please wait while windows configures 2003'
15:39:35  <Darkvater> Brianetta: although I only have them on vmware
15:39:38  <Darkvater> to test openttd ;)
15:40:16  <Brianetta> heh
15:40:31  <Brianetta> I use Windows XP to test that autopilot still doesn't work with Windows OpenTTD
15:40:57  <Brianetta> and to test that my if statement that gives a message to the user if it's Windows, works
15:42:27  <Darkvater> yes yes it's installing!
15:42:37  <Brianetta> "You are using Windows.  OpenTTD has been written specifically so that the dedicated server console starts in a separate window, and unfortunately, autopilot cannot control this window.  If you are confident that this has changed, set windows=true in openttd.cfg"
15:42:39  <Darkvater> I wonder what it has been doing for the past 20 minutes though
15:42:54  <Darkvater> Brianetta: that is not true
15:43:10  <Darkvater> Brianetta: I/we couldn't get it to use the same console window it started in
15:43:29  <Darkvater> hehe
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15:43:38  <Brianetta> It's true that it's specifically written to start the dedicated console in a new window
15:43:39  <Darkvater> 'time remaining: 0 seconds'...
15:43:42  <Darkvater> and it's still busy
15:43:52  <Brianetta> I never gave reasons
15:44:00  <Darkvater> all consoles are started in a new window on windows
15:44:14  <Brianetta> eh?
15:44:21  <Brianetta> Have you run telnet in XP?
15:44:33  <Brianetta> It's a 32 bit console application that runs in the window you start it form
15:44:47  <Brianetta> The ftp client always ran in the same window
15:45:21  <Brianetta> unfortunately, as long as OpenTTD isn't a Win32 console application, no version of Expect for Windows can control it.
15:45:24  <Darkvater> I didn't say it isn't possibly
15:45:33  <Brianetta> you said "all consoles"
15:45:46  <Darkvater> openttd is not a win32 console application
15:45:50  <Darkvater> Brianetta: + of openttd
15:45:53  <Sacro> it should be
15:45:59  <Brianetta> I know it isn't!
15:46:03  <Darkvater> good :)
15:46:12  <Brianetta> but I can't think of a reason why it isn't
15:46:23  <Darkvater> probably cause of GDI, donnu
15:46:36  <Brianetta> I wonder if a cygwin compile would work?
15:47:01  <Sacro> Brianetta: dont think so
15:47:09  <Darkvater> yaay 'gathering required information'
15:47:12  <Darkvater> ok I've had enough
15:47:13  <Brianetta> Well, all the #IFDEF WIN32 would have to be chopped out
15:47:21  <Darkvater> bb whenever that damn shit is done
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16:11:25  <Sacro> cant figure eggdrop :(
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16:11:47  <JohnUK89> Sacro: lol
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16:13:13  <JohnUK89> I can't figure out why this environment variable isn't fixing SDL apps...
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16:14:30  <Eddi|zuHause> rm -rf / <- fixes every bug ;)
16:15:27  <Eddi|zuHause> (too late... otherwithe this could have looked funny ;))
16:17:04  * Sacro watches bb
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16:24:49  <Sacro> ARRRRRRRRRRRGHHH Diablo-D3
16:25:12  <Diablo-D3> AARRGGGGH, Castle of.
16:25:25  <Sacro> Wolfenstein?
16:25:48  <Diablo-D3> no, the castle of aaarrrgggghh.
16:26:26  <Sacro> ah yes
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16:33:06  <OwenS> Mad people....
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16:41:28  <Sacro> John Prescott faced further embarrassment last night after it was claimed that he had described George Bush as "crap" in a private meeting with Labour MPs.
16:42:01  <Brianetta> Calling Bush "crap" is embarrassing how?
16:42:14  <Diablo-D3> apparently so
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16:44:58  <Wolf01> >_>
16:46:24  <Sacro> Brianetta:
16:47:46  <Brianetta> I work for the (almost) neighbouring Sunderland City Council.
16:47:58  <Brianetta> We haven't had such training, but I can see why.
16:48:11  <Brianetta> "We are not allowed to call women pet, hinny, dear, darling, sweetheart or love."
16:48:14  <Brianetta> Too bloody right.
16:48:14  <Sacro> i dont see why
16:48:26  <Brianetta> Those are familiar terms.
16:48:29  <Sacro> oh. well..maybe
16:48:38  <Brianetta> You aren't familiar with the public, and should use formal terms.
16:49:00  <Brianetta> "...I have been bought up with my family using those words."
16:49:02  <Brianetta> note, family
16:49:17  <Brianetta> It's like calling an elderly man "grandad" because he's old
16:49:33  <Sacro> hmm, true
16:49:34  <Brianetta> "You can't just start calling an 85-year-old Mrs Jones."
16:49:43  <Brianetta> Beggars belief - what would you rather call her?
16:49:46  <Sacro> especially if its a welsh woman
16:49:52  <Sacro> instant dismissal there
16:50:57  <hylje> especially if it's a sacro
16:51:03  <hylje> instant dismissal there
16:53:28  * JohnUK89 slaps hylje
16:53:33  <JohnUK89> don't take the mick :P
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16:54:51  <JohnUK89> :o
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17:01:33  <Sacro> grr,i need to learn VB NET, MSSQL, ASP and JAVA
17:03:26  <ln-> dump and ASP
17:04:02  <hylje> you dont need to learn anything of that if you take up django
17:04:07  <hylje> just python
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17:04:25  <Sacro> rofl
17:04:32  <Sacro> just seen a job for "catering ass"
17:04:37  <hylje> hah
17:05:14  <Sacro> teehee, it amused me
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17:10:54  <Sacro> hmm
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17:11:15  <Sacro> grr, how to enter UTF-8 chars in gnome
17:11:27  <Sacro> coulda sworn it was ctrl+alt
17:13:45  <Diablo-D3> lol no
17:14:08  <Sacro> ?
17:14:11  <Sacro> :( i know
17:14:14  <hylje> lol rly
17:18:04  <ln-> sacro: ???
17:18:09  <ln-> Sacro: ctrl+shift
17:18:25  <Sacro> ln-:  no :(
17:18:27  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:18:27  <Sacro> brb
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17:18:33  <Diablo-D3> it is control-shift
17:18:38  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:18:46  <Diablo-D3> ????????
17:18:53  <Diablo-D3> ??
17:19:11  <Diablo-D3> ????VeE56455Tee	G	?5T
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17:19:29  <Sacro> nope :(
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17:19:40  <ln-> what do you mean by UTF-8 chars?
17:19:43  <Diablo-D3> it is control-shift
17:19:52  <Sacro> ???
17:19:53  <Diablo-D3> press control-shift and tap numbers on your keypad
17:19:53  <Eddi|zuHause> it's unicode chars, not UTF-8 chars
17:20:05  <Sacro> well, yeah
17:20:07  <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: people dont bother making the distinction anymore
17:20:18  <Sacro> doesnt work :(
17:20:26  <Diablo-D3> Sacro: is numlock on?
17:20:36  <Sacro> doesnt work with either
17:20:37  <Diablo-D3> nm, it apparently works when its on too
17:20:43  <Diablo-D3> Sacro: left shift, left control
17:20:46  <Sacro> LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
17:20:47  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:20:54  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:20:58  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:21:02  <Diablo-D3> 
17:21:05  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:21:08  <Sacro> cant get it to type em
17:21:08  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:21:21  <Diablo-D3> <Sacro> ???
17:21:25  <Diablo-D3> that typed unicode.
17:21:29  <Sacro> copy paste
17:21:31  <Eddi|zuHause> that was copy-pasted ;)
17:21:32  <Diablo-D3> ahh
17:21:43  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:21:45  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:21:47  <Diablo-D3> ?
17:22:00  <Diablo-D3> Sacro: is your app a gtk2 app?
17:22:04  <Sacro> yep
17:22:05  <Sacro> x-chat
17:22:08  <Diablo-D3> wtf
17:22:11  <Diablo-D3> Im doing it right now
17:22:22  <Diablo-D3> is your input method set correctly?
17:22:28  <Sacro> i think so
17:22:28  <Diablo-D3> right click in the text box
17:22:40  <Diablo-D3> should be set to default
17:22:57  <Sacro> greeen
17:23:11  <Diablo-D3> grwhat?
17:23:12  <Sacro> errm, cant see that
17:23:21  <Sacro> red :D
17:23:36  <Diablo-D3> this channel is set to +c
17:23:42  <Diablo-D3> all your color codes are being stripped out
17:23:46  <Sacro> d'oh :(
17:23:51  <Sacro> all your colours are belong to me
17:23:57  <Diablo-D3> input method should be right under select all
17:24:05  <ln-> 3hmm
17:24:19  <Sacro> <span style="color: #F00">red :D</span>
17:24:24  <Diablo-D3> Sacro: press control-w
17:24:32  <Sacro> insert attribute or colour code
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17:24:43  <Sacro> yep, does close window
17:24:48  <Diablo-D3> well, we know your control key works.
17:25:07  <Sacro> yup
17:25:21  <Sacro> YEAH OK THEN!!!
17:25:24  <Diablo-D3> hrm
17:25:27  <Diablo-D3> wtf is going on
17:25:31  <Diablo-D3> is your gtk ancient or something?
17:25:32  <glx> now open the window and jump
17:25:44  <Sacro> glx: im on the ground floor!
17:26:09  <lws1984> then go higher!
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17:26:39  <Diablo-D3> Sacro: if it doesnt have input method in the menu, then your setup is ancient
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17:26:52  <Patrick`> mm, gnome
17:26:54  <Sacro> it shouldnt be
17:26:54  <Sacro> it worked before
17:27:03  <Sacro> gnome 2.14.3
17:27:10  <Diablo-D3> wtf
17:27:12  <Sacro> xchat 2.6.6
17:27:13  <Diablo-D3> what distro?
17:29:30  <Sacro> Arch
17:29:56  <Diablo-D3> hmmmm
17:30:23  <Diablo-D3> I wonder if arch's gtk is broken
17:30:57  <Sacro> it could be
17:34:07  * Sacro considers cooking food on his lapto
17:34:12  <Sacro> *laptop
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17:42:15  <Sacro> @?e¶?<-???->øþßð???j??»¢""nµ·
17:43:40  <Sacro> ? oooh
17:45:01  <Wolf01> what are you doing?
17:45:59  <Belugas> i think Sacro just drop some food on his keyboard :)
17:46:06  <Sacro> wow!
17:46:12  <Sacro> Æcho!
17:46:41  <Wolf01> i read [19:42:24] <Sacro> @1'm#g4y! ;)
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17:47:01  <Sacro> hah! no utf8'd ness
17:50:09  <JohnUK89> This could get annoying lol
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17:54:02  <hylje> yes >> /dev/dsp
17:55:22  <Maedhros> anyone want to test a gradual loading at stations patch? :)
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20:47:44  <Bjarni> let's see if he notice this :p
20:47:45  <Mucht> ...
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20:48:16  <ln-> men jag spammade inte
20:48:27  <Bjarni> :p
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20:49:30  <Bjarni> LadyHawk was here?
20:49:42  <Bjarni> we had female company and I didn't notice???
20:49:50  <Bjarni> damn idler :p
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20:57:48  <MeusH>
20:57:50  <MeusH> LOVE ME
20:57:55  <MeusH> or better not
20:58:06  * MeusH puts on his steel pants
20:58:25  * JohnUK89 goes looking for a woman
20:58:29  <MeusH> Bjarni: could you please take a look (read: commit) #285?
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20:59:53  <ln-> ladyhawk is a female?
21:00:18  <ln-> JohnUK89: darkvater isn't quite dutch.
21:00:31  <JohnUK89> ln-:
21:00:36  <MeusH> goodnight
21:00:43  <JohnUK89> MeusH: night
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21:02:06  <Patrick`> Bjarni: I second that patch
21:02:28  <Patrick`> there are some things which are happening that were never anticipated because the game was originally engineered to be 256x256
21:02:42  <Patrick`> such as the high density of the "low" setting
21:02:46  <Patrick`> but that's another gripe
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21:03:14  <JohnUK89> :P
21:03:49  <Bjarni> Patrick`: you got a full URL to that patch?
21:03:55  <Bjarni> (I'm lazy right now)
21:04:39  <Bjarni> oh wait
21:04:43  <Bjarni> nevermind, found it :p
21:05:22  <Bjarni> hmm, that looks really nice
21:06:03  <Bjarni> exploited... I would say we use the industries for their own benefit, not exploit them
21:06:11  <Bjarni> but maybe that's the same in Poland :p
21:07:42  <Rubidium> Bjarni: <- that 'bug' is bogus
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21:13:18  <Bjarni> Rubidium: err, I get an exe file when I download the savegame... how did you test this one?
21:13:50  <ln-> "If you want more information about why we moved, feel free to contact either Bjarni or TrueLight. They can explain the reason in great detail." ... haha, the great detail would probably be "freenode sucks" ;)
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21:15:02  <Rubidium> Bjarni: just rename it to a .sav
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21:16:36  <Bjarni> ln-: yeah :)
21:21:15  <Bjarni> bug "solved"
21:21:21  <Bjarni> at least the bug report is closed :)
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21:34:07  <PoshSpod> is this working?
21:34:35  <PoshSpod> Hmm...
21:34:59  <glx> [23:34:36] <PoshSpod> is this working? <-- what?
21:35:36  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say 'no'
21:35:37  <PoshSpod> New IRC client
21:35:50  <PoshSpod> not a great one either
21:36:32  <Eddi|zuHause> i use Konversation, which is not that great, and i should switch, but i am lazy
21:36:42  <PoshSpod> I'm on a Mac
21:36:53  <PoshSpod> this is Fire
21:37:04  <PoshSpod> if that means anything to anyone
21:37:13  <lws1984> irssi workse better
21:37:14  <lws1984> *works
21:42:49  <JohnUK89> As does Xchat :-P
21:43:01  <JohnUK89> (sorry I'm late sir)
21:50:12  <Patrick`> will trying to rm /dev/null actually do anything?
21:50:15  <Patrick`> I'm scared to try.
21:50:32  <StormDragoness> why would you remove nothing?
21:50:40  <OwenS> It would remove it for this session at worst
21:50:44  <OwenS> UDev/DevFS would recreate it
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21:51:52  <Diablo-D3>
21:51:55  <Diablo-D3> fucking win
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22:14:19  <Maedhros> is there anyone here who could explain something about newgrf gradual loading values to me?
22:14:50  <Maedhros> i.e. why they're 2x too big in the dbsetxl, and how ttdpatch knows to divide them by 2, while those in the UKRS are left alone...
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22:53:07  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:14:51  <glx> !seen RichK67
23:14:51  <DorpsGek> glx, RichK67 (~RichK67@ was last seen quitting #openttd 4 days 20 hours 40 minutes ago (13.08. 02:26) stating "Quit: RichK67" after spending some time there.
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23:19:12  <ln-> (safe for work)
23:20:41  <SpComb> how mean D:
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23:29:00  <Bjarni> somebody have been making a lot of fun there :)
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23:45:40  <Eddi|zuHause> how many people work after 1AM? ;)
23:45:47  <lws1984> me!
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23:56:33  <Bjarni> well
23:56:43  <Bjarni> I'm not asleep
23:58:10  <Eddi|zuHause> well... i have heard of people talking during sleep, but not typing ;)
23:58:40  <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: it's only a small difference
23:58:46  <Bjarni> if I talk in my sleep, I should be telling secrets
23:58:57  <Bjarni> guess what: I'm not telling you any secrets right now
23:59:02  <JohnUK89> Eddi|zuHause, never heard of voice recognition? :)
23:59:34  <Bjarni> JohnUK89: say slash quit
23:59:50  <JohnUK89> Bjarni, slash quit :P
23:59:59  <JohnUK89> I'm not falling for it ;-)

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