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00:09:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp24-177.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:10:42 <torm> servers 00:13:18 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 00:13:47 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7533B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:56 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... assume i have a file in directory a, and the first half of that file in directory b, what would be the easiest way to continue copying the file at the point it stopped? 00:31:14 <glx> how did this happen ? 00:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well... it got interrupted ;) 00:32:09 <glx> the only way I know is to restart the copy and overwrite, but maybe someone has another solution 00:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> different occurances usually have different reasons 00:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause> one is for example, that someone shut down the remote computer that i was copying to 00:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause> well... just restarting is exactly the thing i want to avoid 00:33:48 <glx> blame the someone who shutdown the remote computer :) 00:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not a solution ;) 00:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... dd might be able to do that... 00:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it has a "seek" and a "skip" option... 00:35:36 <glx> possible 00:36:49 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:23 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the copy function of konqueror lacks some features i'd really like... 00:46:06 *** UserError [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 00:49:56 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck is a buffer underflow? 01:03:46 <Frostregen> when do you get it? 01:06:00 <Frostregen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_underflow 01:06:02 <Frostregen> ;) 01:21:48 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:28:03 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:30:50 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:35:56 *** torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 01:35:56 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:48:26 <Nigel> re: electric trains, a train would not used to upgrade if the train was not able to be built in a depot 01:50:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7716B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:50:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77F4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:46 <glx> Nigel: the power of trains in a depot is not updated when the depot is converted 01:52:48 <Nigel> glx, but if say you had a replace train order, from normal to electric, then it wouldn't upgrade those trains in a normal depot 01:53:26 <glx> yes you need to send the normal train in an electrified depot for that 01:53:40 <Nigel> well thats what actually started the problem 01:53:51 <Nigel> it was upgrading trains to electric in normal depots 02:08:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:16:47 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-144-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:22:37 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-137-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:57 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 02:56:20 *** Zahl22 [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-198-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:56:24 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-204-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zahl22))] 02:56:25 *** Zahl22 is now known as Zahl 02:59:21 <CIA-2> belugas * r6388 /branches/XTDwidget/ (140 files in 12 dirs): [XTDwidget] -Synch with trunk r6207:r6387 03:04:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:55 *** TheDancinZerg [~TheDancin@pool-71-108-200-233.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Quick! 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quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:55 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 03:54:06 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 04:11:15 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 04:12:06 <CIA-2> belugas * r6389 /branches/XTDwidget/ (13 files in 3 dirs): 04:12:06 <CIA-2> [XTDwidget] -Cleanup after last synching 04:12:06 <CIA-2> Removing unneeded changes, resynch some missed files 04:13:09 <CIA-2> belugas * r6390 /branches/XTDwidget/genworld_gui.c: [XTDwidget] -CodeChange: Remove disable_state from genworld_gui.c 04:14:55 <CIA-2> belugas * r6391 /branches/XTDwidget/window.h: 04:14:55 <CIA-2> [XTDwidget] -CodeChange: Use IsThisWidgetxxx in functions IsWidgetxxx 04:14:55 <CIA-2> This will make them even more integrated 04:14:55 <CIA-2> Suggestion of glx 04:17:02 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 04:23:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping 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boxed in coop games 04:50:03 <torm> i need food 04:53:13 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has joined #openttd 04:54:08 <Nigel> and for some reason i can't multiplayer 04:56:51 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 04:58:20 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-231-230-95-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 05:00:19 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 05:00:45 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75425.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:06:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7716B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:08:09 <Nigel> omg, this is the worst i've ever seen! 05:12:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 05:14:44 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 05:16:45 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:21:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 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[~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:10:10 *** GrimRC [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: updating xchat] 09:10:56 <Nigel> Bjarni, the Electric trick worked 09:11:19 <Nigel> thanks 09:12:28 <PandaMojo> Looking at my train network makes me feel like I'm looking at someone else's acid trip >_> 09:15:11 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [Quit: RichK67] 09:16:39 <Bjarni> Nigel: of cause it works. I coded most of that piece of code, so I know how it works. Nobody looked at this when elrails was added though :/ 09:18:11 <Bjarni> PandaMojo: Celestar showed up yesterday and said that he have been working 12 hours/day for the past 3 weeks and it will stop very soon 09:18:17 <Bjarni> we noticed that he was busy 09:18:20 <PandaMojo> Yeah, saw that 09:18:54 <PandaMojo> I asked him if I should bug him "now" or during his break, and never got a reply :P 09:19:10 <PandaMojo> (I always miss noticing him while he's replying by like 10 minutes >_<) 09:19:12 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:33 <Bjarni> same here 09:20:42 <Bjarni> I didn't say anything to him either 09:27:33 <PandaMojo> Fatal Application Failure! 09:28:52 <PandaMojo> I attempted an emergency save, but I'm not seeing it listed 09:29:15 *** grimrc [~grimrc@spc3-stkp5-0-0-cust362.bagu.broadband.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:29:37 <PandaMojo> Any ideas? 09:32:01 <PandaMojo> Awesome, it's semi-reproducable. Letsee if the same applies to debug mode. 09:32:17 <PandaMojo> Something to do with deleteing buses 09:32:36 <torm> PandaMojo: your ottd doesnt like you 09:32:50 <PandaMojo> torm: If it's reproducable, it likes me enough :P 09:32:59 <torm> lol true that 09:33:28 <torm> i had a bug with compiling ktorrent recently... turns out it was my ram causing the trip :S 09:33:44 <torm> that was extremely "slightly" reproduceable 09:34:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 09:35:52 <PandaMojo> keyword: semi >_> 09:38:22 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:40 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 09:38:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 09:38:56 <Darkvater> morning 09:39:02 <Darkvater> !seen Bjarni 09:39:04 <PandaMojo> morning Dark 09:39:04 <_42_> Darkvater, if you can't see Bjarni here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 09:39:20 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 09:39:23 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 09:39:39 <PandaMojo> Great, now I can't reproduce it >_> 09:43:03 <PandaMojo> BNIGO 09:43:05 <PandaMojo> *BINGO 09:43:22 <PandaMojo> Much easier to reproduce in release mode it seems :) 09:44:47 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:45:46 <PandaMojo> Too bad my debugger is disagreeing with me on various things >_> 09:47:27 <PandaMojo> Now if only my debugger agreed what the value of a variable was in different parts of the code >_> 09:55:18 <PandaMojo> Allright, I think I've got this one figured out. DrawWindowViewport appears to be getting called on a window with a NULL viewport. This is probably related to that window being torn down due to the bus it was focused on being deleted. 09:55:37 <PandaMojo> Thus when ViewportDraw(w->viewport,...); executes, it crashes. 09:56:34 <grimrc> like a race condition? 09:56:46 <PandaMojo> Maybe, I'm not really sure. 09:56:52 <PandaMojo> Does OTTD use a lot of threads? 09:57:11 <Darkvater> it's single-threaded except for saving and terrain generation 09:57:12 <grimrc> don't know much about that myself 09:57:22 <grimrc> oh yeah I did know that - silly me 09:58:08 <grimrc> could a window event be triggered just as the window is destroyed? 09:58:12 <PandaMojo> Mmm. Well my initial reaction would be to just not draw the underlying viewport if it's null, but I don't know if this is actually fixing the problem or hiding the bug. 09:58:44 <grimrc> what triggers the bug? 09:58:57 <PandaMojo> Deleting a bus with an open viewport 09:58:59 <Darkvater> what version are you using? 09:59:00 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 09:59:01 <PandaMojo> In my current game 09:59:16 <PandaMojo> mmm, updated from SVN recently 09:59:27 <Darkvater> svn info . 09:59:29 <PandaMojo> R6392 09:59:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:00:09 <Darkvater> hurray for threaded TGP :s 10:00:22 <PandaMojo> threaded TGP? 10:00:26 <Darkvater> because it screws around with drawing from the thread inside the game 10:00:28 <grimrc> I opened an extra viewport and then deleted a truck and nothing happen 10:00:30 <Darkvater> openttd: viewport.c:1392: MarkAllViewportsDirty: Assertion `vp->width != 0' failed. 10:00:49 <PandaMojo> Sounds very eww :-/ 10:00:54 <PandaMojo> grimrc: It's not 100% reproducable 10:01:19 <PandaMojo> But it first popped up deleting a bus, and by deleting more buses I've had it occur at least 3 more times. 10:02:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 10:03:19 <PandaMojo> It also seems to be timing sensitive, since I havn't been fortunate enough to get it to occur in debug mode, although I've got it up in the debugger attached to a release mode. 10:03:44 <PandaMojo> Probably happening 5-10% of the time 10:03:53 <PandaMojo> In this current game anyways. 10:04:03 <Darkvater> if you close openttd and start a new game 10:04:06 <Darkvater> does it also happen? 10:04:22 <PandaMojo> Testing 10:05:37 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:16 <PandaMojo> mmm, dosn't seem to be reproducing in a new game, no. 10:10:03 <PandaMojo> Then again I'm having a hard time reproducing it in my current game too >_> 10:12:02 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:15:29 <PandaMojo> Hmm. Here's anotehr oddity - the window in question that seems to be triggering this has a wndproc = NewsWindowProc 10:15:35 <PandaMojo> *another 10:15:50 <PandaMojo> In this one I have up in my debugger that is. 10:16:56 <PandaMojo> Are those like the newspaper things, or the little blue windows that inform you if trains are lost and the like? 10:18:54 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:18:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:21:23 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p50818A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:21:27 <AsterixMG> hi @all 10:21:41 <Sacro> hey AsterixMG 10:31:04 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 10:31:12 <Celestar> mhmm 10:31:20 <Sacro> Celestar: ? 10:32:11 <Celestar> I have just found the most user-unfriendly Program I even interacted with 10:32:37 <Celestar> and no it is not CATIA (which is bad enough) 10:33:01 <Sacro> lol 10:33:06 <PandaMojo> zomg it's Celestar! 10:33:19 <PandaMojo> And here's actually here for me to catch this time! 10:33:21 <Sacro> Celestar: is it vi? 10:33:28 <Celestar> Sacro: no vim works like a breeze 10:33:33 <Celestar> it is Adobe Illustrator 10:33:39 <Sacro> it still confuses me :( 10:34:11 <Celestar> but Illustrator is about as bad as a VMS server :S 10:34:33 <AsterixMG> i always forget which keys do what in vi(m) :) 10:34:43 <torm> :help 10:34:44 <torm> :P 10:34:46 <Sacro> AsterixMG: yes, me too 10:34:56 <Sacro> i just use i, a, r, and :wq 10:35:08 <Sacro> occasonally i find d$ useful 10:35:24 <torm> shift and "z" twice is better than :wq 10:35:25 <PandaMojo> Celestar: Just to make sure you've noticed it, I want to point out I created a patch for FS#177 (currently assigned to you) uploaded as a comment ( http://bugs.openttd.org/task/177 ) 10:35:30 <AsterixMG> i once sat there trying to quit and had forgooten that its q, not x :) 10:36:03 <torm> lol 10:36:09 <torm> AsterixMG: tried nano? 10:36:30 <AsterixMG> torm, not yet, is it worse? 10:36:38 <Sacro> nano ftw 10:36:39 <Celestar> PandaMojo: sorry, no ottd develment for me till mid-Septempber 10:36:41 <Celestar> :( 10:36:42 <torm> it's like notepad under windows 10:36:50 <torm> simple and idiot proof 10:37:02 <Sacro> mcedit is good too 10:37:09 <PandaMojo> Alright, just want to make sure I pointed it out :-) 10:37:15 <torm> Celestar: suck it man... i have already got 2 assigs in late from random development projects :P 10:37:19 <AsterixMG> Celestar, are you on holiday then? 10:37:33 <PandaMojo> It's not like it affects me since I can just have the patch in my working copy :P 10:38:11 <AsterixMG> torm idiot-proof is good for me :P 10:38:16 <Celestar> torm: I have one deadline in 2 hours 10:38:45 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-144-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 10:38:48 <torm> Celestar: lol, i had one last friday :S should probably get that one in some time soon... 10:38:54 <torm> AsterixMG: http://www.nano-editor.org/ 10:39:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7698D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:23 <Celestar> torm: I need to make this deadline, otherwise no more money for my project and that mean no more money for my wage 10:39:43 <torm> Celestar: good luck man... seriously... 10:39:46 <Celestar> thanks :) 10:39:57 <Celestar> I'll tell you more next week hopefully 10:40:03 <torm> and on that bombshell, i think i'm gonna go work on my laate Databases project :( 10:40:07 <torm> *sniff 10:40:19 * torm torm_afk 10:40:19 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:40:23 <Celestar> torm: er ? 10:40:25 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:27 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 10:40:35 <Celestar> so I have 2 days of brown-nosing ahead :S 10:40:36 <Celestar> cu 10:40:48 <Sacro> Celestar: take care and have fun 10:40:53 <Celestar> thanks :) 10:40:56 <XeryusTC> heh 10:40:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 10:41:06 <XeryusTC> Celestar is back and he leaves when i notice it :/ 10:41:14 <Celestar> at least I'll meet a friend tonight and we're going to spend 200 bucks on a dinner :P 10:41:17 <PandaMojo> Awesome, my symbol finding tools have frozen up >_> 10:41:24 <Celestar> XeryusTC: I'll be back Thursdays to chat 10:41:28 <Sacro> Celestar: ouch, U C or A? 10:41:36 <XeryusTC> Celestar: ok 10:41:38 <Celestar> XeryusTC: then I have 1500 revisions to catch up 10:41:42 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75425.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:43 * torm torm 10:41:44 *** Ekips [~spike@d5153490F.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:41:45 <Celestar> Sacro: like EUR, but he invited me :) 10:41:45 <XeryusTC> :D 10:41:50 *** mikl [~mikl@port283.ds1-hl.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:41:54 <torm> who am i kidding, i'll never get it done :P 10:41:58 <XeryusTC> Celestar: you should never went away :P 10:42:06 <Celestar> don't tell me 10:42:08 <Sacro> thats true 10:42:17 <Celestar> but I've been working about 60-70 hours / week in the path month :S 10:42:26 <Celestar> ok 10:42:30 <Celestar> I really have to catch my flight :P 10:43:09 <AsterixMG> Celestar, only 1500 revisions? i had over 3000 when i came back :P 10:43:21 <Ekips> I'm running that MiniIN version of openttd 10:43:26 <Ekips> And orders don't seem to work 10:43:31 <Ekips> I noticed this: 10:43:33 <Sacro> Ekips: hehe, broken goto button 10:43:33 <Ekips> SETBIT(w->disabled_state, 7); /* load options */ 10:43:37 <Ekips> But 7 is goto 10:43:38 <Ekips> Not load 10:43:45 <Ekips> Uncommenting that twice fixed the bug 10:43:51 <AsterixMG> Celestar, anyway, good luck on your deadline 10:43:56 <Ekips> But I'm a bit too lazy to submit a patch atm 10:43:57 <Ekips> Hence :p 10:44:04 <Sacro> Ekips: its fixed in latest SVN, lots of people noticed it (quite obviously!) 10:44:10 <torm> Ekips: MiniIN OTTD? 10:44:16 <Ekips> Yeah, that 10:44:20 <Ekips> Oh, I see 10:44:33 <Ekips> Well, no problem for me, I kinda know my way around the source 10:44:47 <Sacro> check it out of svn and compile that, works nicely 10:44:55 <Ekips> But a friend of mine uses that microsoft platform, and they still don't seem to deliver a C compiler with their OS :) 10:45:20 <mattfury> which incoherently sucks... 10:45:20 <Sacro> mingw, cygwin are both free 10:45:30 <Sacro> as is Visual Studio 2005 Express Edition 10:45:50 <Ekips> It's a girl who barely knows what a directory is 10:45:55 <Ekips> So no, I won't go there :p 10:46:48 <Sacro> hmm, compile yourself and send her the files 10:46:54 <Ekips> Crosscompile? 10:46:58 <Sacro> yup 10:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i have seen a batch script out there, called "GetGnuWin32" or something 10:47:02 <Ekips> hmm 10:47:08 <Sacro> i have MinGW 10:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that and a few path settings should do it 10:47:39 <Ekips> True, mingw-gcc should do the trick 10:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> besides, there's the wiki entry "compiling on windows (mingw)" 10:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> which explains everything 10:49:45 <Ekips> Considering the fact I spent 15 minutes yesterday helping her make a copy of the original to another one, I'll pass 10:50:27 <Eddi|zuHause> xcopy /s /e OpenTTD OpenTTD2 10:51:04 <Ekips> Uhm, first step was locating it 10:51:11 <Ekips> Easy on there :) 10:51:32 <Eddi|zuHause> hit F3 in explorer 10:51:46 <Ekips> Oh? 10:51:55 <Ekips> So it does have a search function 10:51:59 <Ekips> I should write that down 10:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a search icon in the menu bar 10:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> next to history and stuff... 10:52:43 <Ekips> Great, I'll send her to you next time! 10:52:50 <AsterixMG> windows has a lot of things, but sometimes they are hard to find :P 10:53:15 <Ekips> You appear to be on Quakenet, should be quite easy :p 10:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> somethings are particularly hard to find, but i don't think the search function is one of them ;) 10:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you could also do Start | Search | Files 10:54:05 <Ekips> By the way, how would a multiplayer game with "hacked source" clients turn out? 10:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that's at least 3 ways to find that same search function ;) 10:54:20 <Eddi|zuHause> depends... 10:54:27 <Eddi|zuHause> in the worst case, you desync 10:54:31 <Ekips> I see 10:54:46 * Ekips looks at his 3k passengers/2k mail Yate 10:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's just graphically, it should just work 10:54:55 <Ekips> Well, nah, just having some fun 10:55:01 * PandaMojo gives up trying to fix the ubg 10:55:02 <PandaMojo> *bug 10:55:03 <Ekips> One of the reasons I love open source ;) 10:55:09 <Ekips> Which one? 10:55:21 <AsterixMG> PandaMojo, what bug? 10:55:36 <PandaMojo> A crashing bug deleteing buses with open viewports 10:56:11 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:23 <Ekips> Reproducable? 10:56:33 <PandaMojo> Not easily. 10:56:40 <AsterixMG> Ekips, if you just want to play multiplayer with her and compile the same version for her, thats not a problem, but if you want to get on a foreign server it might be desyncing 10:56:58 <PandaMojo> For some reason OTTD is attempting to draw a window wit It appears that a window with wndproc==NewsWindowProc and viewport==NULL 10:57:04 <Ekips> AsterixMG: I don't really plan to go multiplayer with that "cheated version", just pondering :) 10:57:23 <Ekips> PandaMojo: Could compile with -g and attach gdb to it, if it cores 10:57:39 <PandaMojo> viewport being null is the problem. 10:57:54 <PandaMojo> I could simply patch it by not drawing the viewport if it's null 10:58:04 <Ekips> Ugly Hack (tm) 10:58:08 <PandaMojo> Exactly. 10:58:21 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:59:05 <PandaMojo> Another alternative would have been to close any associated windows during vehicle deletion, but the code is only there for easy window opening >_> 10:59:45 <PandaMojo> The "best" solution would be to figure out why viewport is becomming null in the first place, but OTTD's code base is a little too convoluted for me to follow unfortunately. 11:00:28 <Ekips> Hm, gdb might help you there, if you get a decent bt 11:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause> there should exist code for closing windows when something (vehicle, station, industry, ...) gets removed 11:01:00 <PandaMojo> Ekips: Had a stack list up in Visual Studio 11:01:09 <Ekips> Ah, k 11:01:54 <PandaMojo> Eddi|zuHause: That's the code that was a little too convoluted for me to follow. 11:03:15 <PandaMojo> It does some weird fixed size FIFO cycling thing. There was one thing that looked suspect, but it'd be hard to tell if my theoretical fix would actually fix the problem. 11:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there's only a fixed number of windows allowed 11:05:19 <PandaMojo> Right, and I understand that going beyond that limit gets rid of the earlier messages. 11:06:35 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2C8A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:56 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.176] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:21 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.176] has joined #openttd 11:08:26 <PandaMojo> Mmm, I can't find the code that I was looking at, but basically it was invalidating a news window, and then it was something like: 11:08:26 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:08:26 <PandaMojo> if ( index == _forced ) Next(); 11:08:27 <PandaMojo> if ( index == _current ) Next(); 11:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> well... i don't technically know the code... but my educated guess would be to look in the function that deletes a bus from the pool 11:08:31 *** mattfury [~mattfury_@216.164.233.220.exetel.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe someone forgot something when changing the pool system 11:09:22 <PandaMojo> I'm presuming the FIFO queue wraps around since it's fixed size, so I was considering the possibility of index == _forced after the second line 11:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> this fifo does not look like the right place to search for the bug 11:11:03 <PandaMojo> I tried looking in there too. I just can't follow this code well enough :-/ 11:11:27 <PandaMojo> I just didn't see *anything* suspect there :-/ 11:12:23 <PandaMojo> Mmm, here it is: news_gui.c 873/874 11:12:31 <PandaMojo> (in R6392) 11:13:36 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2EB04.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 11:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i have a current trunk copy here... 11:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> can you tell function name? 11:14:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 11:15:00 *** Guest56 [Gono@N899P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:15:06 <PandaMojo> DeleteVehicleNews, at the end of news_gui.c 11:15:35 <PandaMojo> It's called by DestroyVehicle in vehicle.c 11:16:59 <AsterixMG> hmm, i don't think that this one is related to your viewpoint-problem at all 11:18:16 <AsterixMG> it doesn't even do anything about viewports, the only window it touches is the message-history 11:19:30 <AsterixMG> i'd say there should be something like "DeleteVehicleVieworts" in DestroyVehicle 11:20:42 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N904P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:49 <PandaMojo> But the thing is, the crash occurs when a news window trys to use a nulled (I assumed meaning "destroyed") viewport. 11:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly did you do to reproduce this? 11:21:55 <AsterixMG> ah, you mean it doesn't delete the newsitem correctly 11:22:00 <PandaMojo> Deleted a bus in one of my larger games 11:22:17 <AsterixMG> i thought you were talking about a not deleted open viewport... my bad 11:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause> and nothing else? 11:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> savegame? 11:22:48 <PandaMojo> Eddi|zuHause: Sent some extra buses on a route that I had shortened to their depot and deleted said buses. 11:22:57 <PandaMojo> Sure, one sec 11:23:11 <PandaMojo> I havn't nailed down the exact reproduction steps either unfortunately 11:23:13 <Eddi|zuHause> best post it to bugs.openttd.org 11:23:19 <PandaMojo> Because not all combos seem to work. 11:23:20 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 11:23:45 <Ekips> It's weird it happens to buses only 11:23:59 <PandaMojo> Well, buses are the only thing I've tried rather. 11:26:11 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:31:09 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:22 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:33:58 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 11:34:23 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:36:06 *** Hagbard_ [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:12 <PandaMojo> R6392 11:39:21 <PandaMojo> whoops wrong channel 11:39:33 <PandaMojo> err scrolling position 11:39:46 * PandaMojo is confusing himself :P 11:40:19 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 11:41:31 <Ekips> And others :p 11:42:07 <JohnUK89> ello :) 11:43:42 <AsterixMG> hi JohnUK89 11:44:17 <JohnUK89> AsterixMG: ello 11:45:53 <JohnUK89> Looking for a decent IRC client for me phone atm lol 11:47:18 <AsterixMG> IRC-client for the phone??? 11:47:28 <JohnUK89> Yeah 11:47:44 <JohnUK89> http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/virca/ ;-) 11:47:45 *** JohnUK89Phone [~vxljwha@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 11:48:04 <JohnUK89Phone> W00t :p 11:49:00 <AsterixMG> ah, you mean a cell-phone... sounds a bit masochistic to me to use a cell-phone instead of a real computer if you have both in the same place ;) 11:49:41 <JohnUK89Phone> Yeah, it's so i can be sad and go on irc when I'm out :) 11:50:46 <Bjarni> JohnUK89: if you get that one, I will for sure start to post way more links with important messages in this channel :P 11:51:09 <JohnUK89> Bjarni: just so I can't open the buggers :P 11:51:44 <Bjarni> JohnUK89Phone: hey, take a look on this great link http://www.qdb.us/65775 11:51:56 <Bjarni> it's even made from this channel 11:51:57 * JohnUK89 uses PC to look at it 11:52:02 <AsterixMG> lol 11:52:12 <Bjarni> btw did you submit that one? 11:52:15 <JohnUK89Phone> :P 11:52:17 <JohnUK89> No 11:52:25 <Bjarni> hmm 11:52:28 <Bjarni> then who did? 11:52:46 <JohnUK89Phone> I dunno 11:53:04 <Bjarni> maybe we got an idle person just reading what we type and submits quotes whenever somebody says something stupid 11:53:19 <AsterixMG> btw, hi Bjarni, did you look at the modified patch tonight? did it look better that way? 11:53:30 <PandaMojo> Well, task added: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/332 11:53:52 <PandaMojo> Eddi|zuHause: Savegame is there if you're interested. 11:54:51 <Bjarni> I have not reproduced the bug in debug mode <-- O hate when that happens :( 11:54:57 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: no 11:55:27 <Bjarni> O hate when that happens :( <-- it should have said "I", not "O", but you might have guessed that 11:57:16 <Bjarni> damn, changing openttd.h is a bitch, specially when you have to change it again due to a typo :( 11:57:27 <PandaMojo> Well, it could've been *hates, in which case you might have been refering to Big O 11:57:29 <AsterixMG> from that description i can't see how that should be related to news-items, PandaMojo 11:58:13 <AsterixMG> Bjarni, you mean for compiling? 11:59:25 <PandaMojo> AsterixMG: It appears to be crashing based on the state of a news-items window is why. 11:59:51 <PandaMojo> I'm not saying it's the news-item stuff that has the actual bug causing this discrepancy, but it seems relevant. 12:00:20 <AsterixMG> i'm downloading the save and try it with my debug-build, maybe i can reproduce it 12:00:33 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC5921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:40 <PandaMojo> It's stopped reproducing for me unfortunately <_< 12:01:01 <PandaMojo> Total pain in the ass :-/ 12:01:21 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:51 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-169-090.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:47 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 12:08:37 * torm has returned 12:08:53 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 12:09:01 <JohnUK89> torm: ello 12:09:18 <AsterixMG> PandaMojo, doesn't want to be reproduced by me :/ 12:09:23 <AsterixMG> wb torm 12:09:26 <torm> JohnUK89: how goes mate? 12:09:26 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 12:09:45 <JohnUK89> It goes good thanks :) Only 6 days till I move now :-D 12:09:47 <torm> JohnUK89: sick of SimFarm yet? 12:09:48 <PandaMojo> I'll try again at a later date I guess, since I can't reproduce it either. 12:10:12 <JohnUK89> torm: Never quite got the hang of it...was the first time I'd properly played it though 12:10:19 <torm> lol 12:10:39 <torm> i've got a shakey framework setup for my remake of it 12:10:43 <torm> still needs a lot of work tho 12:10:47 <JohnUK89> lol 12:11:01 <torm> OpenSF :P 12:11:28 <JohnUK89> make it playable and I'm in :P 12:13:04 <torm> heh hope ur happy to wait :P 12:13:07 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:19 <JohnUK89> Yeah, I wait for everything else so heh 12:13:45 <torm> how does one cut their birthday invite list down? i've got 130 people coming atm... need to get it to under 100 :( 12:13:48 <torm> just not fair 12:14:05 <JohnUK89> Tell everyone you don't REALLY like to get stuffed? :P 12:14:33 <torm> mm it's my 21st tho... they'll all be expecting to come 12:14:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14:54 <JohnUK89> torm: well tis up to you ;-) 12:15:32 <Maedhros> move house without telling 30 of them? :-P 12:16:13 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has joined #openttd 12:18:21 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:53 <AsterixMG> PandaMojo, hehe, you got an average of 25 vehicles per month visiting Cunnington Woods, not bad 12:21:12 <PandaMojo> That one of my bus stops? :) 12:21:28 <PandaMojo> Oh wait you mean the bus dropoff point 12:21:29 <PandaMojo> yeah 12:21:31 <AsterixMG> that big station 12:21:41 <PandaMojo> I had more but then I put that roundabout loop in 12:21:58 <PandaMojo> Now some of the buses head to that loop instead, thus easing up traffic near the central station 12:22:21 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-198-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:30 <AsterixMG> the busstops only have up to 5 vehicles/month 12:22:48 <PandaMojo> Aww, really? lol 12:22:51 <AsterixMG> that big station has a max of 28/month 12:23:20 <AsterixMG> (vehicles include buses :) ) 12:23:23 <AsterixMG> and trains 12:23:58 <AsterixMG> roadvehicles are up to 15 at the big station 12:31:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-157-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:30 <torm> question: what dictates population size? 12:36:58 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 12:37:12 *** e1ko [~31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:38:31 *** Ammler [~Ammler@81.149.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Ammler_))] 12:38:58 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 12:44:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:46:16 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6393 /trunk/ (openttd.h vehicle.c): 12:46:16 <CIA-2> -Fix: [autoreplace] now refit costs are added to the estimated costs (could spend more than allowed when estimate and actual cost were not the same) 12:46:16 <CIA-2> -Fix: [autoreplace] fixed a very rare failure when building an engine could cost more than the player could pay before selling the old one 12:46:16 <CIA-2> this happened when the replacing the front cost so much that the the rear end didn't have enough money to build as expected 12:46:21 <CIA-2> now the estimate keeps track of the price for the wagons/engines in front of the unit it's currently looking at 12:46:21 <CIA-2> -Codechange: [autoreplace] added function to learn if and what cargo type to refit to. Needed to allow the estimation to tell refit costs 12:49:55 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC5921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:30 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-124.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:28 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:56:42 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 12:58:50 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 12:58:51 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:02:22 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC530A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:14 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 13:08:34 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:09:12 *** Twinsen [user@86.124.4.122] has joined #openttd 13:10:43 *** bornholme [~bh@5634602e.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:24:28 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC530A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:07 *** ChrisM87_ [~ChrisM@p54AC530A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:41 <torm> random thougth: subway systems for large cities would be cool 13:25:47 <hylje> yes 13:25:54 <hylje> but not possible until new map array 13:27:50 <JohnUK89> (which will be an absolute age) 13:30:46 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:58 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:07 *** DyzDyzPL [dyz@80.51.214.244] has joined #openttd 13:34:20 <Tron_> Bjarni: good job! you readded the warning glx so kindly fixed for you 13:34:28 <Tron_> ===> Compiling vehicle.c 13:34:28 <Tron_> vehicle.c: In function `GetRefitCost': 13:34:28 <Tron_> vehicle.c:732: warning: 'base_cost' might be used uninitialized in this function 13:34:40 <AsterixMG> lol 13:35:04 <Bjarni> o_O 13:35:17 <Bjarni> how did that end up there... 13:39:41 <CIA-2> bjarni * r6394 /trunk/vehicle.c: -Fix r6393: removed a warning originally removed in r6376 accidentally readded in r6393 13:40:03 <AsterixMG> \o/ 13:40:36 <Bjarni> I just wonder... how did it happen. All of a sudden that file got a lot of changed lines I didn't touch and I had to spend like 20 minutes reverting all of them. I missed one :( 13:42:24 <AsterixMG> i still wonder why msvc sometimes changes tabs into spaces, without any reason, making the indentation wrong 13:42:32 *** DyzDyzPL is now known as DyzDyz 13:43:29 <torm> AsterixMG: i smell a MS flame war :P 13:43:41 <torm> !stats 13:43:42 <_42_> torm: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html 13:44:24 <torm> there 13:49:56 *** DB42 [~hello@l85-130-147-50.broadband.actcom.net.il] has joined #openttd 13:50:01 <DB42> hi, all 13:51:44 <hylje> AsterixMG: say hi to wysiwyg! 13:52:40 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC530A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:58 <DB42> any up2date screenshots? 13:56:38 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC637F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:58 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 13:57:02 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 13:57:10 <AsterixMG> DB42, look at the homepage, there are screenshots 13:58:13 <Mucht|work> he asked for up-to-date ones 13:58:39 <Mucht|work> oh wait 13:58:41 <Mucht|work> there are some :-P 13:58:59 <DB42> rofl, thanks, i'll check 14:00:20 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 14:00:35 *** Twinsen [user@86.124.4.122] has left #openttd [] 14:01:22 <JohnUK89> Mucht|work: depends what you call up-to-date 14:02:02 <Mucht|work> the first 5 ones where there for ages 14:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause> being old does not necessarily mean being out of date 14:02:44 <JohnUK89> Eddi|zuHause: I know :) 14:03:09 <Mucht|work> ok the grass is still green at the temperate scenery 14:03:11 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:03:11 <mrno> I thought someone mentioned on the tt-forums that the next version would be 0.5 ... 14:03:16 <Mucht|work> so they are always up to date then 14:03:54 <mrno> with the new graphics and stuff 14:04:00 <Mucht|work> mrno: you have different information? 14:04:25 <mrno> how do you mean? 14:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> not new graphics... NewGRF support 14:04:32 <mrno> hmm 14:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but the odds are not zero that someone shows up, finishes new map array, 32bpp and the graphic replacement... then the next version would likely be called 1.0 ;) 14:06:18 <JohnUK89Phone> 0.5 probably won't turn up for a while though :) 14:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but as there are no plans for a 0.4.9, 0.5 would be the most likely next version ;) 14:06:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:57 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 14:07:59 <JohnUK89Phone> I'm willing to wait for 0.5 ;-) 14:08:25 <DB42> what is the ETA? 14:08:43 <JohnUK89Phone> Don't think there is one yet 14:10:13 <JohnUK89Phone> And if there is I don't know it :p 14:10:44 <mrno> hmm, than I'm miss informed there or I read wrong :s 14:11:15 <JohnUK89Phone> Mrno: you probably read wrong ;-) 14:11:23 <mrno> haha 14:11:27 <mrno> could be 14:11:32 <JohnUK89Phone> Ooh Virca FTW :p 14:12:13 <mrno> what does it mean then that it wil support newgrfx? You can load newgfx now isn't it? 14:13:11 <mrno> or will they be included standard 14:13:20 <mrno> or partially standard 14:13:37 <JohnUK89Phone> You can load newgrfs at the moment, but the support isn't 100% yet, I think that's what is being aimed for 14:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.4.8 has barely any newgrf features 14:14:34 <JohnUK89Phone> But don't quote me...i'm not exactly the resident expert ;) 14:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. elrails, newstations... 14:15:13 <JohnUK89Phone> Eddi|zuHause: cheers for the correction 14:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but even in trunk we are ages away from 100%... 14:16:08 <mrno> it would be nice if there was a place where you could download them (I nkow that's allready possible) but at the ottd site itself, that the newgfx are all in one place 14:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. trams, articlulated road vehicles 14:16:10 <mrno> hmm 14:16:21 <mrno> trams was in dev I tought. 14:16:43 <mrno> ttpatch had it. and the bus stops on the road wihout the entering place 14:16:50 <JohnUK89Phone> Nope, they're not even in MiniIN 14:17:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you can load tram grfs, and build vehicles, but they behave like all other RV 14:17:00 <mrno> hmm 14:17:05 <mrno> plans then :) 14:17:17 <Eddi|zuHause> miniin has the bus stops 14:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but not tram tracks 14:17:26 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 14:17:29 <JohnUK89Phone> And don't forget that OpenTTD and TTDPatch are seperate things :) 14:17:30 <mrno> so they take another route than the tracks :) 14:17:40 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 14:17:44 <mrno> yes i know (since a week or so) 14:17:56 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-157.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:19:31 <mrno> and the concrete undergrounds for the train rail is done with newgfx as well then? 14:19:34 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@ns.vdv-s.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:53 <mrno> hmm, I'm going to stop asking stupid questions now :) 14:20:16 <Bjarni> <AsterixMG> i still wonder why msvc sometimes changes tabs into spaces, without any reason, making the indentation wrong <-- settings. Xcode got a habit of adding trailing whitespace in empty lines, so I have a script to remove all trailing whitespace 14:20:23 <JohnUK89Phone> I'm going to stop being such a n00b and get some sleep :) 14:20:30 <JohnUK89Phone> Bbs :p 14:20:43 <mrno> :) 14:20:55 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:22:14 <torm> i cant believe i'm conemplating upgrading my CPU for OpenTTD... these 2048x2048 maps beat my system bad :P 14:23:09 *** kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:48 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:49 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@AC9F1274.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:29:33 *** jakob [~jakob@c-5745e455.01-197-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:29:54 <jakob> hello 14:31:36 <jakob> is there any project that aims to create a free dataset for openttd? 14:32:16 <ln-> not any that is making real progress. 14:32:44 <jakob> any making imaginary progress? 14:32:54 <torm> haha... imaginary 14:33:14 <torm> "we like to pretend we're making progress" 14:33:15 *** ChrisM87__ [~ChrisM@p54AC637F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:31 <ln-> jakob: but why, are you interested in starting one? 14:35:06 <jakob> a little yes 14:36:34 <jakob> is there any dokumentation on how the original dataset works? 14:36:51 <ln-> the graphics, the sound effect, the music, or all of them? 14:37:04 <jakob> all 14:37:18 <Born_Acorn> There's tonnes on th graphics part. 14:37:38 * peter1138 waves a 'newsounds' sign at Born_Acorn 14:37:49 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newsounds! 14:38:09 <ln-> the music would be a relatively easy thing to start with. 14:38:52 <ln-> though preferably the one working on it should be talented with music :/ 14:39:16 <jakob> indeed, if i did the music players whould kill themselwes 14:39:28 <Bjarni> talking about removing the need for TTD files again? 14:40:37 <ln-> btw, it's quite likely that no composer wants to release their music under GPL. 14:41:01 <Bjarni> then what? 14:41:12 <Noldo_> music is useless 14:41:24 <Bjarni> we can live without music if we have to 14:41:30 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 14:41:34 <Bjarni> haha 14:41:35 <ln-> we can live without sound effects if we have to. 14:41:59 <Bjarni> orudge is writing an ogg/mp3/something more patch and he didn't want to talk about it right now :P 14:42:08 <ln-> and why not without graphics. just make the sprite loader return a blank, black sprite for everything that is not found. 14:42:14 <Noldo_> I wonder if there is any source of gpladble sound effects 14:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause> we can live without game if we have to 14:42:17 * Eddi|zuHause hides 14:42:22 <Noldo_> Eddi|zuHause: :) 14:42:30 <Bjarni> we can live without graphics if we have to 14:42:35 <ln-> Noldo_: sure there is, the environment around you. 14:42:37 <Bjarni> haven't you heard about dedicated servers? 14:42:58 <Noldo_> ln-: I don't have to equipment to forage it 14:43:07 <jakob> there is plenty of free copylefted music 14:43:38 <Bjarni> I don't consider music an issue 14:44:21 <Bjarni> once we got support for stuff other than midi, we just post that on the forum and ask people for music they hold the copyright to and ask if we can add it 14:44:26 <Bjarni> it's as simple as that 14:44:34 <Bjarni> it will show up 14:45:14 *** DyzDyz [dyz@80.51.214.244] has quit [] 14:46:10 <Bjarni> think of the many people in the music industry just waiting to be discovered. If one of them (or more than one) gets the opportunity to make so many people listen to their work, they can hope to increase their chance of getting discovered 14:46:29 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:46:42 <ln-> the question remains, are they willing to release their music under GPL. 14:47:14 <jakob> there is plenty already.. 14:47:56 <ln-> i believe there's plenty freely distributable music, but you need to prove me it's *GPL*. 14:47:56 <jakob> http://creativecommons.org/ 14:48:03 <ln-> ok, that's not GPL. 14:48:18 <Bjarni> also do we have to release it under GPL? 14:48:23 <jakob> it's as close as music gets :) 14:49:01 <ln-> Bjarni: no. 14:49:18 <Bjarni> we can release GPL software with LGPL libs in it, so nobody said all of it have to be under the same licence 14:51:54 <ln-> software packages that contain stuff under many licenses can be... problematic considering re-distribution. 14:52:46 <jakob> you can distribute the dataset in a separate packaga 14:52:49 <jakob> e* 14:53:06 *** carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-90-247.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:53:12 *** orudge [~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 14:53:20 <Bjarni> well, we just add "may only be distributed with OpenTTD. Copyright belongs to musicians" 14:53:39 <Bjarni> may not be altered without permission 14:54:15 <jakob> Bjarni: the music alreadu comes with a licnce that covers those things 14:54:54 <Bjarni> see 14:55:21 <Bjarni> redistribution outside OpenTTD needs permission from music copyright holder 14:55:59 <ln-> i see many problems in that. 14:56:39 <Bjarni> explain 14:57:00 <ln-> how to define "with OpenTTD". can it be in a separate package? on separate disk? what is "OpenTTD"? since it's not a registered trademark, anyone could call anything "OpenTTD" and use the music. 14:57:42 <Bjarni> yeah, we need to write it a bit more specific, but the idea of it 14:58:21 <ln-> i bet there already is a creative commons license that suits "our" needs. 14:59:04 <Bjarni> All references to OpenTTD is to the open source game OpenTTD started by Ludwig Stravenious (or how ludde spells his name) 14:59:22 <Bjarni> never really figured out how to say his last name either 14:59:35 <Tron_> oh, i see, you're having a pointless discussion again *fetches popcorn* 14:59:52 <jakob> Bjarni: try pronouncing it like Dracula whould :) 14:59:55 <torm> Tron_: bring me some? 15:00:33 <ln-> Bjarni: wasn't it more like Strigeous? 15:00:56 <ln-> well, not that either. 15:01:03 <Bjarni> either way, we will look it up if we need to write it anywhere 15:01:16 <ln-> Strigeus 15:01:25 <ln-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludvig_Strigeus 15:01:40 <Bjarni> that's it 15:02:11 <Bjarni> Stri-genious :P 15:03:57 <jakob> anyway.. anyone who has the original graphics want to do the job of properlu documenting it? 15:04:11 <torm> he's the dude who wrote utorrent isnt he? 15:04:30 <Bjarni> torm: that and OpenTTD and ScummVM 15:04:42 <torm> ahh k 15:04:51 <jakob> scummvm too, what a hero 15:05:12 <Bjarni> well, he wrote them to become in a working state and then he made those projects (except utorrent) open source so other people took over 15:05:42 <torm> Rexxie: you from Australia man? 15:06:40 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:07:25 <Bjarni> <jakob> scummvm too, what a hero <-- does that mean that I'm a hero too since I have told him about how to add OSX support and speed up stuff using the OSX frameworks? 15:07:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:07:39 * orudge is a hero, just because. 15:07:40 <Bjarni> not to mention all the work I have done on OpenTTD 15:07:53 <orudge> Plus, it was I who got Ludde to release OpenTTD! So there! 15:07:55 * orudge wins. 15:08:03 <Bjarni> orudge: you convinced ludde to start OpenTTD. That's good enough ;) 15:08:12 <Bjarni> or release 15:08:16 <ln-> orudge: what's the story? 15:08:23 * Brianetta removes a smurf from orudge's hat 15:08:25 <orudge> I have various old, development builds of it 15:08:26 <orudge> was most fun. 15:08:29 <Brianetta> These things get everywhere 15:08:29 <Bjarni> either way, your action made it possible for me to get the source and start porting it 15:08:31 <orudge> Brianetta: But I am a smurf! 15:08:33 * Brianetta steps on the smurf 15:08:37 <orudge> Eek! 15:08:38 <JohnUK89> orudge: for prime minister! :P 15:08:53 * orudge joins the Monster Raving Looney Party 15:08:59 * Bjarni smurfs Brianetta for smurfing the smurf 15:09:00 * torm cries for the poor smurf :( 15:09:22 <Brianetta> what? 15:09:28 <Brianetta> you watch too much Saturday morning TV 15:09:36 <Brianetta> smurfs are pests in real life 15:09:43 * orudge throws a gecko at Brianetta 15:09:44 <torm> lol 15:09:45 <Bjarni> they are? 15:09:48 <Brianetta> not like cartoon smurfs and chipmonks 15:09:55 *** mrno [~noone@d5152F30B.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 15:10:00 <Brianetta> They steal cabbages 15:10:00 <JohnUK89> orudge: you're throwing lizards? 15:10:04 <Bjarni> you keep blue pets? 15:10:06 * orudge throws Gecko at JohnUK89 15:10:17 <Brianetta> and they leave their droppings on the kitchen surfaces 15:10:29 * torm decides to join in the action and throws orudge at JohnUK89 15:10:36 * JohnUK89 dodges 15:10:53 * torm cringes as orudge slams into Brianetta 15:11:01 * orudge goes back to watching Smallville 15:11:11 * Brianetta pick-pockets orudge 15:11:12 <torm> Smallville? oh no... 15:11:23 <Bjarni> Brianetta: http://www.psiguy.com/Images/Smurf.jpg <-- you keep pets at that size??? 15:11:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:37 <Bjarni> orudge: why not code? 15:11:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:11:42 <Bjarni> Brianetta: http://www.psiguy.com/Images/Smurf.jpg <-- you keep pets at that size??? 15:11:56 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 15:11:58 <Brianetta> pet smurfs? 15:12:05 <jakob> Bjarni: sure, you are a hero too :) 15:12:06 <Brianetta> they're not pets, they are pests 15:12:37 <Brianetta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Smurf.Unicef.jpg 15:12:40 <Brianetta> Nuke 'em 15:13:42 <Brianetta> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smurfs_and_communism 15:13:45 <Brianetta> before they nuke us 15:14:08 <Bjarni> http://www.peter.com.au/photos/photos/2005-06-04-Australian-Model-Train-Expo_08-Smurf-Train-Model.jpg <--- hahaha. Stand at a model train exhibition 15:15:37 <torm> LOL! 15:15:50 <torm> we should have a smurf easter egg for ottd.. 15:15:52 <torm> oh dear. 15:15:57 <hylje> torm: its called toyland 15:18:20 <jakob> smurf dataset for openttd.. 15:18:55 <Bjarni> Brianetta: never thought of them like that... reminds me of Disney proclaiming that everybody should do drugs. If you want to see certain signs, they are everywhere 15:19:37 <Brianetta> but really, theyre' just commensal domestic pests 15:19:39 <hylje> winnie the pooh is supposedly a story of a stoner community 15:19:45 <jakob> http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/holocauster.jpg 15:19:46 <Brianetta> like pigeons, rats and faeries 15:20:43 <Bjarni> at one time, a writer wrote more unlucky stories than usual and it was accepted as his view of the world at that time (I think it was late 1930s). Much later it turned out to be because his wife was talking about getting a divorce and had nothing to do with WWII 15:22:34 <Brianetta> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5736977681422845253 15:24:34 <jakob> how do you put a google video on loop? 15:24:37 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openttd 15:24:48 <Brianetta> no idea 15:25:50 <jakob> :) 15:28:10 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:28:11 <Bjarni> ok, done studying that wiki page 15:28:16 <Bjarni> I completely disagree 15:28:38 <Bjarni> it's a simple society created to fit the world of a children story 15:28:55 <Bjarni> hence the lack of religion and complex characters 15:29:07 <Bjarni> the stories are all pretty simple 15:29:07 <jakob> isn't that what communism is in reality too? 15:29:18 <Bjarni> a children story? 15:29:31 <jakob> "it's a simple society created to fit the world of a children story" <-- that 15:29:51 <Bjarni> well 15:29:56 <Bjarni> that's not what I meant 15:30:05 <Bjarni> say there is no KGB smurf 15:30:55 <jakob> well you whouldn't have negative things in the propaganda, duh.. 15:31:03 <jakob> :) 15:32:22 <Bjarni> actually the origin of smurfs predates Karl Marx as it's a fairy tale creature from The Netherlands or Belgium or somewhere in that area 15:32:53 <Bjarni> I wonder if the original is this equal minded, because then it surely have nothing to do with communism 15:34:16 <jakob> but you have to admit that papa smurf is just a little more equal than the others 15:34:59 <hylje> wtf, smurfs 15:36:03 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:38:51 <torm> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6272408239944210578&q=openttd << OpenTTD on a palm 15:39:11 <torm> OpenTTD on the go... that just rocks 15:39:29 <hylje> i want a ottd port for symbian 15:40:04 <torm> i want a nokia port 15:41:47 <jakob> does it run on the gp2x? 15:43:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 15:44:40 <Bjarni> <torm> i want a nokia port <-- the trunk should already be able to run on Nokia S770 15:45:16 <Bjarni> I just lack such a device, so I don't know if we broke the support and the porter left before he was done making it ready for distributions 15:45:42 <hylje> :o 15:52:00 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:53:37 *** carib [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-90-247.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:54:20 <Brianetta> That's like none of my Palms 15:54:35 <Brianetta> What's the OS on that thing? 15:55:20 <Brianetta> " This is a quick movie of PalmTTD..." 15:55:22 <Brianetta> not quick 15:56:13 <JohnUK89> I want a Nokia S60 port...but I can't code, so it'll have to wait till I can :P 15:56:38 <hylje> s60 doesnt have enough controls 15:56:42 <hylje> s80 does 15:56:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 15:57:11 <jakob> who whould want to run TT on a volvo anyway.. 15:57:27 <hylje> why not? 15:57:31 <JohnUK89> Not a massive fan of S80...that's communicators etc? 15:57:38 <hylje> yep. 15:58:19 <JohnUK89> Yeah, as said, I'm not a fan of them, the screens aren't the right shape for games 15:59:12 <JohnUK89> Hmm there's smartphones that run Linux... 15:59:56 <Brianetta> I think I prefer my laptop 16:00:03 <JohnUK89> what's more important...new phone or holiday? 16:00:17 <Brianetta> new phone 16:00:26 <Brianetta> you get to keep it 16:00:27 <hylje> i prefer laptop 16:00:33 *** bornholme [~bh@5634602e.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 16:00:51 <JohnUK89> Hmm, I may be able to afford both... 16:01:21 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@62.99.225.122] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:03:17 *** Born-Acorn [~bornacorn@AC9F1274.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 16:03:27 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@AC9F1274.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:41 *** kele [~kele@135.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:04:35 <kele> so, anyone with god-like experiences with port-forwarding? 16:04:55 <glx> port-forwarding is easy 16:05:05 <kele> oh no it's not. 16:05:37 <kele> I've forwarded ports for my wireless router AND my DSL-modem, and it's still closed 16:05:47 <kele> and I even shut down my firewall 16:06:31 <glx> !openttd ports 16:06:43 <kele> !openttd ports 16:06:48 <glx> !openttd port 16:06:49 <_42_> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 16:07:21 <kele> ahhhh I need to open 2978 as well? 16:07:27 <kele> 3978* 16:07:37 <glx> no need to forward it 16:07:52 <kele> hmm 16:08:02 <glx> openttd just need to go out to it 16:08:12 <kele> how? 16:09:22 <glx> when ottd advertise to masterserver, it connects to masterserver:3978 16:09:32 <kele> on the top of the dedicated server-dialog, it says listening to 0.0.0.0:3979, is that a bad sign? 16:09:57 <glx> no that's ok 16:10:07 <kele> hmmf 16:10:42 <kele> I'm out of ideas. I'm positive I forwarded my ports just the way I'm told, but they just won't.. 16:10:56 <glx> run the server and give me the ip (to check if I can see it) 16:11:44 <kele> okay, the IP's 84.48.69.135 , and the server's name is Henning 16:12:17 <glx> offline :( 16:12:24 <kele> I think the server might have stopped trying.. it's said 16:12:26 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 16:12:27 <kele> dbg: [NET] Resolved master.openttd.org to 81.171.98.111 16:12:29 <kele> dbg: [NET][UDP] Advertising to master server 16:12:40 <kele> hey! I was queried! 16:12:53 <kele> no, that was me ... :( 16:12:54 <hylje> omg 16:12:56 <hylje> :> 16:13:02 <kele> ouch.. 16:13:11 <glx> kele: you forwarded both UDP and TCP? 16:13:36 <kele> probably, but definately UDP, where I had the ability to choose 16:14:09 <kele> where I could choose between TCP and UDP, I couldn't have both. 16:14:25 <glx> you need both (maybe using to rules) 16:14:37 <glx> one for udp and one for tcp 16:14:51 <kele> I don't think it works, but I'll check into that once again.. thanks 16:16:24 *** Sionide [~sphinx@86.13.82.163] has joined #openttd 16:17:10 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:17:25 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:38 <kele> hmm... there's this thing called port triggering. that's not what I want, is it? 16:18:40 <glx> dunno, what wireless router do you use? 16:20:45 <kele> 3Com OfficeConnect Wireless Cable/DSL 16:21:59 <kele> I've done everything on portportforward. 16:22:09 <kele> portforward 16:25:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:25:38 <kele> I guess I'll just stick with LAN... Thanks anyway. 16:25:44 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> iridium.oftc.net quits: KUDr_wrk, UserErr0r, torm, Wolfy 16:26:35 <Sacro> w00t netsplittage 16:27:51 *** Netsplit over, joins: torm, UserErr0r, Wolfy, KUDr_wrk 16:29:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 16:30:47 <kele> quit bis dann 16:30:53 *** kele [~kele@135.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 16:36:42 *** DB42 [~hello@l85-130-147-50.broadband.actcom.net.il] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:20 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176121144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:53 <CIA-2> glx * r6395 /trunk/ (rail_cmd.c train_cmd.c): -Fix: when converting a depot from/to elrail, update the power of trains that are in it 16:41:07 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176125219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:42:42 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:13 *** __TDI___ [~dr@85.21.179.34] has joined #openttd 16:48:27 <__TDI___> hello! 16:49:00 <__TDI___> i have a problem, ver 4.8 wrote after 5mins "network error" and disconect 16:49:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:49:30 <__TDI___> what to do? 16:49:32 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 16:49:56 <glx> fix your connection 16:50:17 <__TDI___> network synhronization fault! wrote 16:50:26 <__TDI___> how ? 16:50:37 <glx> ha it's another problem, you get a desync 16:50:56 <glx> do you use some newgrfs? 16:51:14 <__TDI___> no 16:51:19 <glx> and the server? 16:51:49 <__TDI___> openttd.sandra-bullock.co.uk 16:53:45 <glx> hmm ok so it's not a newgrf problem 16:57:28 <__TDI___> what may be it is? 16:58:05 <glx> dunno, desyncs happen when server and client do different things 16:58:30 <__TDI___> again it's happend 16:58:40 <__TDI___> network game sinhronization fault 16:58:49 <__TDI___> 7 minutes 17:11:32 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:16:40 *** glx is now known as glx|away 17:29:17 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 17:29:31 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #openttd 17:38:42 <CIA-2> rubidium * r6396 /branches/MiniIN/ (command.c command.h): [MiniIN] -Fix (6363): commands must be numbered continuously. 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They described the owner's choice to use linux instead of windows as "using unusual and uncommon software to slow down the investigation and that's a clear sign of criminal intentions" 19:41:18 <Bjarni> AFAIK they have still to make any official charge 19:43:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:32 <hylje> hah 19:43:34 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:43:35 <JohnUK89> The police are idiots sometimes 19:43:52 <hylje> had he used openbsd with paranoid settings... 19:44:01 <ln-> so are their customers sometimes. 19:44:15 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 19:44:19 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 19:44:19 <Sacro> !logs 19:45:13 <AsterixMG> afaik my last school still has a c64 standing around there... maybe those austrians schould ask some germans for help :P 19:45:20 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 19:45:29 <smeding> i have a c64 19:45:35 <smeding> but no power adapter D: 19:45:46 <JohnUK89Phone> Hmm...i may have to raid said school... 19:46:15 <smeding> to bring me the power adapter? :D 19:46:16 <Bjarni> <hylje> had he used openbsd with paranoid settings... <-- I think I wrote everything needed.... he used linux and not windows. He even gave them his root password when they requested it 19:46:38 <JohnUK89Phone> No, to get me a c64 :p 19:46:44 <Bjarni> but using linux is a way to cover up crime and is proof of criminal intentions :P 19:46:49 <hylje> hah 19:47:00 <Sacro> so your better off using a pirate copy of windows 19:47:05 <Bjarni> <JohnUK89Phone> No, to get me a c64 :p <-- I got one, but I plan to keep it 19:47:06 <Sacro> than using a free OS 19:47:29 <Bjarni> Sacro: yeah. Pirating windows would be less criminal than using linux in this case o_O 19:47:37 <AsterixMG> using a free OS is a crime against economy 19:47:43 <Bjarni> great, TV just died 19:48:00 <Bjarni> ahh, too much noise 19:48:02 <Sacro> i have just downloaded Windows XP student edition + MCE, Vista RC1 and FLP 19:48:07 <JohnUK89Phone> Bjarni: one of my old neighbours still has a c64 19:48:08 <AsterixMG> so they have to sue everyone using a free OS ;) 19:48:27 <Bjarni> they have to use everybody not using windows 19:49:10 <AsterixMG> btw, is OSX free? 19:49:16 <Bjarni> no 19:49:41 <Sacro> AsterixMG: depends... 19:49:44 <Bjarni> it's partly open source, but it's not free 19:49:50 * Sacro hides 19:50:00 <AsterixMG> so you have to pay for it to get it (legally) 19:50:13 <Bjarni> yes 19:50:28 <Bjarni> or buy a mac. They always give you the newest version when you buy one 19:50:46 <lws1984> indeed 19:51:20 <AsterixMG> can you run other OSs on a mac, too? 19:51:39 <lws1984> and if you buy one a week or two before a new OS comes out, they send the new one to you for a small fee (just for the cd, really) 19:51:42 <Bjarni> there is one exception. If you buy one packed with the old version, you can get the newest one at a great discount 19:51:54 <Bjarni> like less than 10% of the price 19:52:05 <lws1984> Bjarni: isn't it or something? 19:52:17 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: yeah, Darwin or any other linux 19:52:55 <Bjarni> <lws1984> Bjarni: isn't it or something? <-- I think it's country dependant 19:53:01 <JohnUK89Phone> The MacIntels can run winblows xp sp2 as well 19:53:12 <lws1984> Bjarni: aye, true 19:53:29 <lws1984> actually, there's software for the Intel models that lets you run x86 os'es without rebooting 19:53:42 <AsterixMG> the last mac i saw was quite old and not really good 19:53:46 <Bjarni> MacIntels can run a lot of x86 OSes 19:53:47 <lws1984> bah 19:53:53 <lws1984> old macs are great 19:53:54 <Bjarni> only windows is "supported" though 19:53:55 <AsterixMG> and then there was MS word 6 on it 19:54:01 <lws1984> AsterixMG: what's the last Mac you saw? 19:54:09 <Sacro> desktop pcs can run OSX too 19:54:34 <Bjarni> Sacro: we talk about how to legally run OSes on different hardware 19:54:36 <JohnUK89Phone> Yeah Sacro, I'll be trying after I move :p 19:54:44 <AsterixMG> lws1984, good question, is there somewhere a list of what macs there were in the past? 19:54:57 <lws1984> aye, www.apple-history.com 19:55:11 <lws1984> or there's software called Mactracker, from mactracker.ca 19:55:14 <lws1984> runs on Windows, too! 19:55:16 <lws1984> :p 19:55:34 <AsterixMG> i learned one thing, never try to edit a word-document with lots of pics in it in ms-word on a mac :P 19:56:01 <JohnUK89> I learned one thing, never try and run OSX in PearPC ;-) 19:56:03 <lws1984> really? the latest versions work quite well 19:56:12 <lws1984> hm... I remember MS Word 6....... 19:56:45 <Sacro> me too... 19:56:51 <Sacro> i can vaguely recall 5 19:56:59 <Sacro> winword :D 19:57:11 <AsterixMG> lws1984, i had to do it with someone else on a mac in university... it took 15 minutes to load the document and 30 minutes to save it :/ 19:57:37 <AsterixMG> and autosave was enebeld every now and then 19:57:45 <lws1984> must have been a reallly old Mac, ran snappily on mine 19:57:46 <CIA-2> richk * r6397 /branches/MiniIN/ (9 files in 2 dirs): 19:57:46 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [Physics]: Adds semi-realistic acceleration model back in. This is the original realistic acceleration with Sirkoz's mods. Integrated as option with physics patch. 19:57:46 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Hertogjan for patch. 19:58:12 *** __TDI___ [~dr@85.21.179.34] has quit [] 19:58:54 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:05 <AsterixMG> lws1984, well, that was about 10 years ago 20:00:32 <CIA-2> richk * r6398 /branches/MiniIN/ (openttd.c saveload.c): 20:00:32 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: Codechange. Adds constant for TRUNK savegame version. 20:00:32 <CIA-2> Thanks to Rubidium. 20:00:33 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:39 <Bjarni> I once used a PowerBook 100 (1991) 20:00:51 *** Wolfy [~wolf@d197184.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:05 <lws1984> I owned one! 20:01:16 <lws1984> and mistook it for being a 1989 model! :p 20:01:19 <Bjarni> I just rented mine 20:01:38 <Bjarni> lws1984: hehe. If you knew mac portable, you would not make that mistake 20:01:56 <lws1984> aye, well, I had to fix several for my jetsetting friends 20:02:16 <lws1984> I carried one around for a week when it was new 20:02:23 <lws1984> ugh.. 20:02:38 <lws1984> the PowerBook was like a feather compared to the portable 20:03:30 <Bjarni> :) 20:03:58 <Bjarni> also the price of the PowerBook was like 20% of the mac portable 20:04:12 <Bjarni> and they got similar CPU speed 20:04:14 <AsterixMG> hmm, did such a lot of old macs look the same, or are they just using the same pics in that list? 20:04:20 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:04:24 <Bjarni> 16 MHz 68020 20:04:47 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: some of them looked pretty similar 20:04:50 <lws1984> aye 20:05:06 <Bjarni> made it easier when I repaired them :) 20:05:31 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:05:47 <Bjarni> I even got paid for repairing them :D 20:06:20 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:06:25 <Bjarni> greatest job ever 20:06:43 <Bjarni> I got cheated big time for payment thought :( 20:06:46 *** JohnUK89Phone [~vxljwha@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:08 <DaleStan> Bjarni: You were saying that grfcodec 0.9.10 worked for decoding on a PPC processor? I'm impressed. If you've got the time, could you download Planeset_459 (http://www.as-st.com/ttd/planes/files/planesetottd.zip), and send me the results of decoding the grf and encoding the nfo/pcx? 20:07:37 <Bjarni> DaleStan: didn't say that. I said that 0.9.7 works on Intel Macs 20:08:02 <DaleStan> Oh. Well, that's not so interesting then. 20:08:05 <AsterixMG> lokks like it was something like those "Power Macintosh 8x00" models... but looking at the pics i remember ive seen another mac standing at a friends home, but it was usually turned off 20:08:16 <Bjarni> but it would work on PPC if somebody takes the time to fix the endian issues in it 20:08:19 <Bjarni> I know that there are some 20:09:18 <Bjarni> DaleStan: I know that some people wants it to run on big endian, but I'm not skilled enough in C++ to fix grfcodec :( 20:11:46 <Bjarni> then again, I didn't try very hard 20:11:47 <DaleStan> I don't have access to a PPC processor, but I am hoping that (1) grfcodec will at least pretend to run on BE machines, and (2) If I had that information (or similar) I'd be able to find and fix all the endianness issues. 20:11:55 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:11:59 <MeusH> hello 20:12:36 <DaleStan> Actually, I expect decoding to die impressively on BE machines, given that sprite lengths are LE words. 20:14:19 <Bjarni> DaleStan: I got a BE CPU to test on and I know it totally fucks up just reading grf files. It can't decompress them 20:14:29 <Bjarni> well, at least it failed the last time I tried 20:14:58 <DaleStan> As I would expect. fread and fwrite really aren't the best for keeping things endian neutral. 20:14:59 <Bjarni> it was 0.9.6 or 0.9.7 20:15:09 <Bjarni> 0.9.6 I think 20:16:36 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:16:36 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:39 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 20:19:54 <CIA-2> richk * r6399 /branches/MiniIN/ (road_gui.c roadveh_cmd.c): 20:19:54 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [DriveThruStops]: Updates from mart3p. Many thanks. 20:19:54 <CIA-2> 1. The change made to the MiniIN at r5658 to prevent drive-through stops 20:19:54 <CIA-2> building a connecting road, also disabled the build sound effect and no longer 20:19:54 <CIA-2> closed the road stop selection window. This is now fixed properly. Also, uses 20:19:56 <CIA-2> enum value rather than magic number. 20:19:58 <CIA-2> 2. Tidied up changes made by my patch in RoadFindPathToDest in roadveh_cmd.c, following sync with r6233. 20:20:18 <MeusH> !calc 40/7 20:20:19 <_42_> MeusH: 5.7142857142; 20:20:29 <MeusH> calc 5*6 20:20:40 <MeusH> !calc 40/7*6 20:20:41 <_42_> MeusH: 34.2857142852; 20:27:28 <ln-> !calc 1/0 20:27:29 <_42_> ln-: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=3): Divide by zero; 20:28:38 *** Tron_ [oAfkNutE@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31:07 <ln-> does it still crash the whole system if one defines an endless loop? 20:32:35 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.147.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:01 <CIA-2> richk * r6400 /branches/MiniIN/ (6 files): 20:33:01 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [CopyPaste]: Rewrite of copy_paste into a .c, .h, _gui.c. 20:33:01 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Frostregen for MiniIN update. 20:33:15 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:33:20 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-070-124.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:35:30 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:37 <Bjarni> DaleStan: did you leave again? 20:39:12 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 20:39:44 <Belugas_Gone> 'night all 20:40:38 *** Twinsen [user@86.124.4.122] has joined #openttd 20:44:26 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: let's see.] 20:44:49 <ln-> http://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=600&a=292594 20:46:06 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:46:27 <AsterixMG> ln-, hmm, i don't understand anything there 20:47:33 <Bjarni> DaleStan: PM 20:48:07 <CIA-2> richk * r6401 /branches/MiniIN/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 20:48:07 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [DiagonalCrossings]: Update for the diagonal level crossings patch. 20:48:07 <CIA-2> 1) It cleans up the code (and the indentation) 20:48:07 <CIA-2> 2) Adds fences along the "free" side of the crossing to indicate that roads can't join up with it. 20:48:09 <CIA-2> 3) It also adds a patch option to make it optional. 20:48:09 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Maedhros for patch. 20:48:34 <ln-> AsterixMG: i suspect the reason may be that it is written in a language you don't understand. 20:48:40 <Bjarni> AsterixMG: Sweden is blocking the homepage of a new political party like it was a site with child pornography or similar 20:49:14 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 20:49:27 <AsterixMG> ah, now at least i know the rough contents :) 20:50:15 *** Nycom [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-169-36.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:51:40 <AsterixMG> hmm, lets see if he's here to talk this time :P 20:51:55 *** Nycom [~caribou27@AToulon-151-1-169-36.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:52:04 *** smeding [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: You have the urge to do some accounting...] 20:52:06 <AsterixMG> seems not... 20:52:54 <AsterixMG> or did he tell you anything usefull this time, Bjarni ? 20:54:12 <Bjarni> no 20:54:21 <Bjarni> didn't realise that he was here until he was gone 20:55:24 <AsterixMG> well, he was only here for a minute... not much time to see him :/ 20:55:28 *** ptk^^ [qazwsx@v206.ip5.netikka.fi] has joined #openttd 20:56:03 <AsterixMG> at least he seems to know how to get on IRC 20:56:32 <AsterixMG> now he should learn how to stay ;) 20:56:41 <Bjarni> DaleStan: PM 20:58:54 <MeusH> Bjarni, that's weird politician stuff 20:59:05 <MeusH> internet is really perfectly controlled 20:59:21 <MeusH> it isn't really a free and anonymous source of wisdom 20:59:38 <Bjarni> it's censorship to block the homepage of a political party, specially since they got an election in less than a month (if I remember correctly) 21:00:12 <MeusH> that isn't legal I think 21:00:22 <Bjarni> hence the reason it got in the news 21:01:02 <ptk^^> does anyone have good england, usa or european map? 21:01:38 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-55-18.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd [I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!] 21:01:46 <MeusH> recently some fucking psycho was killing hamsters with his girlfriend in various ways using many methods, he put around 19 movies on the net and after a few days a special police force rammed into his home and arrested that sucker 21:01:48 <MeusH> that's good 21:02:06 <MeusH> but it also reveals that actually every your move is visible to "the important guys" 21:10:51 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 21:12:48 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 21:13:32 *** glx|away is now known as glx 21:13:53 <Frostregen> probably his name and address was within the metadata of his video =) 21:19:03 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-216-190.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 21:19:27 <peter1138> MeusH: only if you post it on the net... 21:19:57 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-216-190.vodafone-net.de] has quit [] 21:22:28 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:24:38 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has joined #openttd 21:25:17 <AsterixMG> hehe, Bjarni there is 3 dalestan's now for you to talk to ;) 21:26:31 <DaleStan__> Yeah. I'm the real one. At least until my router dies again. 21:26:53 <Bjarni> :P 21:27:11 *** Owner [~Owner@74.130.29.178] has joined #openttd 21:27:36 <Owner> what the? 21:27:43 <Born_Acorn> Was it the Special Hamster Defence force of the Police that rammed into his home and arrested the Sucker? 21:28:09 <Owner> oooh u said a badword 21:28:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:21 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 21:28:24 <MeusH> Police + animal defenders methinks 21:28:34 <Owner> yeah 21:28:56 *** Owner is now known as transport 21:29:23 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gono@N824P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 21:29:36 <transport> hey 21:30:01 <Tron> DaleStan: ? 21:30:38 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.217.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:47 <DaleStan> Tron: Yes? 21:30:49 <transport> what 21:31:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm? 21:31:05 <Tron> DaleStan: there's an obiwan error grfcodex 21:31:10 <Tron> s/x$/c/ 21:31:20 <Tron> } else if ( (mapnum >= 0) && 21:31:20 <Tron> (mapnum <= sizeof(colourmaps)/sizeof(colourmaps[0])) ) { 21:31:20 <Tron> colourmap = colourmaps[mapnum]; 21:31:26 <Tron> the <= should be a < 21:31:39 <Bjarni> DaleStan: do you see you my PM? 21:31:47 <transport> yes 21:31:49 <DaleStan> Bjarni: yep. 21:31:55 <Bjarni> good 21:31:56 <Tron> there are 2 colour maps, so the only valid indices are 0 and 1, but not 2 21:32:23 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:27 <transport> how about a highway? 21:32:59 <transport> i love highways 21:33:17 *** DyzDyz [dyz@80.51.214.244] has joined #openttd 21:34:33 <transport> how about a highway? 21:34:38 <transport> i love highways 21:34:41 * AsterixMG mumbles something about new map array and maybe then 21:34:53 <transport> map? 21:34:55 <peter1138> how about a kick? i love kicks 21:35:11 <transport> what about maps? 21:36:25 <transport> omg 86 pople 21:37:09 <Gonozal_VIII> why did you want to dcc send me a highway picture? 21:37:21 <transport> cause u like it 21:37:28 <Gonozal_VIII> :S 21:37:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i like highway pictures? 21:37:49 <transport> yeah 21:39:11 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:19 <transport> omg 21:39:26 <transport> 85 21:39:34 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has joined #openttd 21:39:39 <transport> hi 21:40:30 <CoRnJuLIOx> hi 21:40:32 <CoRnJuLIOx> whats this? 21:40:43 <transport> transport 21:40:49 <CoRnJuLIOx> hey, where do i go to report a bug on this nightly build i've got? 21:40:54 <transport> ok 21:41:04 <transport> ill send u a highway 21:41:10 <AsterixMG> CoRnJuLIOx, bugs.openttd.org 21:41:48 <AsterixMG> (see topic) 21:41:59 <CoRnJuLIOx> sweet 21:42:16 <CoRnJuLIOx> see the finances screen turns up blank when i click it 21:42:54 *** Twinsen [user@86.124.4.122] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 21:42:56 <AsterixMG> CoRnJuLIOx, trunk nightly or miniin nightly 21:43:32 <transport> omg 21:43:40 <transport> OMG! 21:43:49 <CoRnJuLIOx> dunno 21:43:49 <CoRnJuLIOx> followed the link to the download page, clicked "nightly builds", and got it from there 21:44:01 <AsterixMG> then it should be trunk 21:44:09 <jakob> why are the build made at night? 21:44:31 <glx> why not? 21:45:04 <transport> dunno 21:45:07 <CIA-2> richk * r6402 /branches/MiniIN/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 21:45:07 <CIA-2> [MiniIN]: [RailtypesInSmallmap]: Added Railtypes in smallmap patch. 21:45:07 <CIA-2> Many thanks to Simfield for MiniIN version. 21:45:46 <CoRnJuLIOx> AGHH i have to register!? 21:46:27 <glx> CoRnJuLIOx: not an obligation 21:46:27 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:31 <glx> but it's easier to know who posted the report (if details are needed and the poster is on IRC :) ) 21:47:53 <transport> how about a highway ? 21:47:54 <CoRnJuLIOx> hmm, does it matter if the nightly build isnt recent? 21:47:57 <AsterixMG> CoRnJuLIOx, did you try to reproduce it? 21:48:06 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:17 <AsterixMG> CoRnJuLIOx, well, if you use an old nightly it might have already been solved 21:48:30 <CoRnJuLIOx> it says r5343l on the taskbar 21:48:48 <glx> special build, not a nightly 21:48:52 <AsterixMG> nightly means its build every night with the current state of development 21:49:28 <CoRnJuLIOx> i c. 21:49:34 <AsterixMG> and current version should be r63 something 21:49:43 <CoRnJuLIOx> ok so this is kinda old 21:49:56 <AsterixMG> about 1000 revisions back :) 21:50:10 <AsterixMG> that means about 1000 changes to the code 21:50:27 <glx> r6395 for tonight :) 21:51:17 <CoRnJuLIOx> aghhh.. 21:51:35 <CoRnJuLIOx> is there a reason you cant set the games end date past 2051? 21:52:24 <AsterixMG> you can play beyond that, even if its set to this 21:53:17 <AsterixMG> i think peter1138 made a patch that allowed setting it higher, but don't know what happened to this 21:53:33 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C6E6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:54:06 <Gonozal_VIII> after 2089 every new year is 2090 21:54:21 <CoRnJuLIOx> i'm not good enough of a programmer to do stuff like this 21:54:23 *** JohnUK89 [~JohnUK89@149.254.200.215] has joined #openttd 21:55:07 <AsterixMG> you don't have to be a programmer... in 2051 the endgame-summary will show up, but you can continue to play 21:55:12 <ln-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sujit_Kumar 21:55:23 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:56:00 <Gonozal_VIII> 2051, 2052,... 2089, 2090, 2090,... 21:56:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:56:33 <CIA-2> richk * r6403 /branches/MiniIN/ (7 files in 3 dirs): [MiniIN]: Sync with trunk r6381:6395. 21:59:44 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: that is not true for about 400 revisions 22:00:06 *** WolfAngel [~wolfangel@83.72.164.148.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:00:19 <Gonozal_VIII> cool :-) 22:00:30 <Gonozal_VIII> should get a new one then 22:01:22 <Tron> DaleStan: ftp://tron.homeunix.org/grfcodec.diff <--- removing dead code and adding static 22:11:31 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:13:29 <ptk^^> hmmh, game server should have an extra option for kick player who has build nothing in 15-20 years 22:13:45 <Brianetta> You mean spectators? 22:14:02 <ptk^^> no spectator 22:14:11 <Brianetta> I think that reset_tile should be enabled in regular play (: 22:14:24 <Brianetta> Then the server op is able to rain precision bombs 22:14:51 <ptk^^> flood attacked on our game 22:16:17 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Dinner] 22:17:51 <ptk^^> very interesting, there is happening nothing in quin's game at the moment and there is 7 players connected 22:18:50 <CoRnJuLIOx> i think there should be a feature that lets you quick jump to certain stations/towns (unless there is one already) 22:19:04 *** Ammler_ [~Ammler@27-188.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 22:19:08 <AsterixMG> CoRnJuLIOx, there is one already :) 22:19:16 <CoRnJuLIOx> naw, really? 22:19:18 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Ammler_))] 22:19:22 *** Ammler_ is now known as Ammler 22:19:24 <AsterixMG> or should i say more than one :) 22:19:38 <Tron> Brianetta: reset_tile circumvents game logic and can therefore damage a game beyond repair 22:19:48 <CoRnJuLIOx> how bout one that lets you get rid of like, 50 trains in the depot (with the rest of their cars), with just one click? 22:19:57 <Brianetta> Tron: )-: 22:20:09 <Brianetta> Tron: How about a new command - "explode" ? 22:20:15 <Brianetta> Dynamite 22:20:21 <Brianetta> with a parameter 22:20:26 <Brianetta> small, medium, nuke 22:20:27 <AsterixMG> CoRnJuLIOx, you can click townnames in the townlist or stationnames in the stationslist 22:20:51 <Brianetta> OK, perhaps kick and reset_company is enough 22:24:34 <CoRnJuLIOx> Asterisk, no i mean like setting a marker on a certain town/station, binding it to a key and then hitting it when you wanna center the view on that town/station 22:25:12 <ptk^^> multiplayer server window should have sort for start year and currect year 22:25:25 <ptk^^> current 22:25:59 <ptk^^> it's easier to find then game which have just began :) 22:26:12 <ptk^^> or just ending.. 22:26:12 *** CoRnJuLIOx [~vircuser@202.128.58.251] has quit [Quit: User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby] 22:27:07 * AsterixMG goes to bed now 22:27:14 <AsterixMG> good night @all 22:27:19 *** AsterixMG [~chatzilla@p50818A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:31:58 <Sacro> ahh torrenty goodness 22:36:11 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3CD3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 22:36:29 *** pukero [~pukero@213.211.54.230] has joined #openttd 22:36:55 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3CD3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:01 *** pukero [~pukero@213.211.54.230] has left #openttd [Application terminated!] 22:38:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-239-4.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:46:26 *** Maedhros [~jc@i-195-137-43-74.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:46:47 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 22:48:58 <Bjarni> goodnight 22:49:03 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:58:18 <transport> ok 22:58:31 *** PAStheLoD [~pas@catv-56656d26.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:00:10 <Sacro> right, whose up for some YAPF hacking for a few weeks before i start Uni 23:00:47 <transport> i need highway download for OpenTTD 23:01:34 <Sacro> it aint been coded yet 23:02:07 <transport> ok 23:02:37 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6404 /trunk/gfx.c: 23:02:37 <CIA-2> -Fix: GetStringWidth failed to calculate correct string width if the string 23:02:37 <CIA-2> contained newlines. 23:04:18 <ptk^^> i need map editor which can make map from image file 23:04:44 <JohnUK89> Hang on...transport, do I recognise you? You were in about a week ago asking the same thing weren't you? 23:05:05 <transport> yes 23:05:09 <Rubidium> ptk^^: get the latest nightly 23:05:13 <JohnUK89> Well have some patience :) 23:05:21 <ptk^^> Rubidium, ? 23:05:45 <Rubidium> loading heightmaps for scenarios is already in the latest nightlies 23:06:31 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.102] has joined #openttd 23:08:10 <Sacro> tis 23:08:30 <UnderBuilder> I have an idea of how can be done diagonal roads 23:08:54 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:09:01 <Sacro> UnderBuilder: GO CODE!!! 23:11:05 <UnderBuilder> maybe when you build the zig-zag road the bus instead of turning zillon of times it goes straight and change the road sprites for prevent glitches 23:12:06 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.6/2006072814]] 23:12:15 <Sacro> hmm, maybe 23:12:30 <Sacro> are there sprites for rv's going - and | ? 23:12:33 <Sacro> or just \ / 23:12:40 <UnderBuilder> yes when turning 23:12:42 <transport> \o/ 23:13:06 <Sacro> yeah, thought so 23:13:16 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6405 /trunk/misc_gui.c: 23:13:16 <CIA-2> -Codechange: When showing tooltips, properly position the tooltip, considering 23:13:16 <CIA-2> cursor size and cursor offset (hotspot). The maximum and minimum y-values 23:13:16 <CIA-2> for the tooltip are just below the mainbar and statusbar. Also, if the tooltip 23:13:16 <CIA-2> would be too low, flip it above the cursor. 23:15:13 <UnderBuilder> I don't know too much of C and making .patches so I need more training 23:15:57 <UnderBuilder> just know the basics 23:16:34 <Sacro> me too 23:16:44 <Sacro> though i wll be learning C# soon i reckon 23:18:45 <UnderBuilder> the best thing that I can do in C is breaking code lol 23:19:56 <ptk^^> Rubidium, hmmh this looks very interesting, thx 23:21:44 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6406 /trunk/ (29 files in 4 dirs): 23:21:44 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Rename TileOffsByDir to TileOffsByDiagDir because it accepts 23:21:44 <CIA-2> DiagDirections, and add TileOffsByDir that handles Directions. 23:21:44 <CIA-2> -Codechange: Make the treeloop use TileOffsByDir(). 23:22:27 <Sacro> i miss sophie so much :( only been apart for 90 minutes 23:25:41 <mikk36> who is sophie ? 23:25:52 <mikk36> ur new gf ? 23:26:03 <Sacro> mikk36: i wish, really i do 23:32:53 <Born_Acorn> Dress up like a Pimp, get inside an open top low rider, and curb crawl! 23:33:10 <Born_Acorn> You could have any woman that way! 23:33:29 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: life is NOT like san andreas 23:33:36 <Born_Acorn> They could even be interested in Computers! 23:33:41 <Born_Acorn> Like these lovely ladies! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Colossus.jpg 23:34:13 <Sacro> eh 23:34:15 <Sacro> *heh 23:34:22 <Sacro> would that run OpenTTD i wondef 23:35:35 <mikk36> no 23:37:09 <Sacro> :( 23:37:41 <JohnUK89> It outputs onto paper...would need a lot ot paper to output OpenTTD ;-) 23:40:32 <Sacro> yup 23:40:33 <transport> :( 23:40:43 <torm> my ex plays OpenTTD and uses ubuntu, i should have married her 23:42:18 <ln-> what, first female playing OpenTTD voluntarely has been found? 23:42:25 <ln-> ... assuming torm's ex is a female. 23:42:52 <Archwyrm> I would assume that from the 'her' bit. 23:43:01 <Archwyrm> But I suppose you never know. 23:43:23 <torm> ln-: lemme just check... 23:43:42 <torm> ln-: yep, looks like i'm the dude, but she wore the pants :P 23:43:44 <CIA-2> Darkvater * r6407 /trunk/ (ai/default/default.c clear_cmd.c vehicle.c): 23:43:44 <CIA-2> -Fix: Check return values of DoCommand() with CmdFailed and that of DoCommandP 23:43:44 <CIA-2> with a boolean type. 23:45:09 *** Hagbard_2 [~hagbardde@81-235-254-217-no24.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: I'm so great!] 23:45:46 <torm> ottd no longer builds from svn, bummer 23:46:11 <Sacro> torm: which? 23:46:40 <torm> mm latest... jumped the gun a bit r6407 23:46:51 <torm> make file issue 23:46:54 <Archwyrm> torm: I hope you got those pants back after the breakup. =P 23:47:27 <glx> torm: do you get an error message? 23:47:41 <torm> Archwyrm: lol, yup, but i cant get rid of her now :P 23:48:13 <torm> yeah glx, this is as far as it gets: 23:48:14 <torm> adam@rincewind:~/builds/OpenTTD/trunk$ make 23:48:14 <torm> ===> Compiling and Linking strgen/strgen 23:48:14 <torm> In file included from strgen/../macros.h:6, 23:48:14 <torm> from strgen/strgen.c:4: 23:48:14 <torm> strgen/../map.h:161: error: parameter 1 ('dir') has incomplete type 23:48:16 <torm> strgen/../map.h:170: error: parameter 1 ('dir') has incomplete type 23:48:18 <torm> strgen/../map.h: In function 'TileOffsByDir': 23:48:20 <torm> strgen/../map.h:172: error: conflicting types for '_tileoffs_by_dir' 23:48:22 <torm> strgen/../map.h:123: error: previous declaration of '_tileoffs_by_dir' was here 23:48:24 <Sacro> >< 23:48:30 <torm> i think Darkvater is still tweaking 23:48:46 <Sacro> id ping him and check 23:48:55 <glx> that's strgen not openttd, but it's weird 23:49:12 <torm> thats why i think it's makefile releated... 23:49:32 <torm> adam@rincewind:~/builds/OpenTTD/trunk$ ./configure 23:49:32 <torm> touch Makefile.config 23:49:32 <torm> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/adam/builds/OpenTTD/trunk' 23:49:32 <torm> touch Makefile.config 23:49:32 <torm> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/adam/builds/OpenTTD/trunk' 23:49:33 <torm> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/adam/builds/OpenTTD/trunk' 23:49:34 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-90-235.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:49:35 <torm> make[1]: `Makefile.config' is up to date. 23:49:37 <torm> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/adam/builds/OpenTTD/trunk' 23:49:39 <torm> thats is 23:50:04 <torm> might just be me tho, i tend to jump the gun a bti 23:50:05 <torm> *bit 23:50:09 <glx> what was the latest rev you complied? 23:50:54 <glx> you can try "make clean && make" 23:51:06 <glx> that should solve problems :) 23:52:32 <torm> nope, tried that... 23:52:41 <torm> gonna check it out again in a diff directory 23:52:42 <glx> yeah fails here too 23:52:54 <Sacro> Darkvater: ping 23:52:55 <torm> bummer, and i wanted to play :P 23:53:01 <torm> back to 0.4.8 :P 23:53:32 <glx> torm: just compile 6405 :) 23:53:37 <glx> this one worked 23:54:06 <ln-> Tron: THE SVN VERSION IS NOT COMPILING. (no, you didn't break it, but someone did.) 23:54:33 <Born_Acorn> It was me! I broke in to the compound and pulled the wires. 23:54:43 * torm slaps Born_Acorn 23:54:46 <torm> grrrrr 23:55:06 <torm> glx: how do you go back to a previous version in trunk? 23:55:12 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: :o, well stop the T Rex chasing me 23:55:14 <torm> glx: new to SVN 23:55:22 <glx> svn up -r 6405 23:55:23 <Sacro> torm: -r $revision 23:55:33 <torm> ahh k 23:55:43 <transport> nvm 23:56:11 <torm> does it cache the files locally in the .svn directory? 23:56:43 <torm> glx: woot! i love you man 23:57:27 * glx is lucky, torm lives on the other end of the world :) 23:59:14 <ln-> 02:42 < ln-> ... assuming torm's ex is a female. <--- see, that was a valid question.