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Log for #openttd on 10th September 2006:
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01:25:00  <Nigel> ummmm, quick question, I got a passenger train, and a long rail line, with stations in the middle, i thought the train would automatically stop at each station to pickup/dropoff pax?
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04:59:30  <CIA-2> miham * r6436 /trunk/lang/brazilian_portuguese.txt:
04:59:30  <CIA-2> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-09-10 06:59:06
04:59:30  <CIA-2> brazilian_portuguese - 99 fixed by tucalipe (99)
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05:37:50  <Wolf01> hi
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05:50:41  <roboman> hello
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07:32:32  <MeusH> hello
07:32:40  <MeusH> I encountered a bug in OpenTTD
07:32:45  <MeusH> which is kinda tricky to reproduce
07:33:05  <MeusH> I generate a 512x512 tropic game, then abandon it so I'm back in main menu
07:33:18  <MeusH> then I load a tropic scenario "Rusty Paradise"
07:33:35  <MeusH> I try to build a lumber mill, but only errors about lack of rainforests pop up
07:33:42  <MeusH> I abandon game, so I'm back in menu
07:33:46  <MeusH> and OpenTTD crashes
07:33:55  <MeusH> has anyone encountered it?
07:45:39  <ThePizzaKing> MeusH: It just crashed for me
07:46:05  <ThePizzaKing> openttd: tile.h:54: GetTileType: Assertion `tile < MapSize()' failed.
07:46:06  <ThePizzaKing> Aborted
07:46:18  <MeusH> strange thing is that it doesn't crash for me in the other order
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07:55:29  <Rubidium> where can I downloade that scenario?
07:56:28  <MeusH> it's in release build
07:56:33  <MeusH> try looking for it in svn
07:56:36  <MeusH> in release branch
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07:57:08  <Rubidium> it's not in the svn
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07:57:42  <MeusH> Property svn:ignore set to *.scn *.ss0
07:58:08  <MeusH> well, try to download 0.4.8 from http://openttd.org/
07:58:18  <Rubidium> svn:ignore is something completely different
07:58:35  <MeusH> could you please explain me what's svn:ignore?
07:59:02  <Rubidium> it makes you svn client ignore files in the
07:59:50  <Rubidium> 'svn status' listing, but you can still add files that match
08:01:28  <Rubidium> MeusH: which version are you using?
08:01:43  <MeusH> r6429
08:01:59  <MeusH> I'll svn up in a moment
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08:12:16  <Rubidium> MeusH: nice bug ;)
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08:12:45  <MeusH> Rubidium, do you have idea what causes it?
08:12:51  <Rubidium> yes
08:12:58  <MeusH> I mean, why does it happen in that order
08:14:18  <MeusH> what's that? Does it have something to do with lumbermills?
08:15:21  <Rubidium> don't know why it is exactly caused
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08:29:05  <Rubidium> anyway, the bug is solved in the latest revision...
08:29:18  <Rubidium> just waiting for CIA to announce it ;)
08:30:34  <CIA-2> rubidium * r6437 /trunk/industry_cmd.c: -Fix: reset the location of the last sound as that location can be outside the map when you are loading another (smaller) map. Thanks to MeusH for noticing.
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08:33:16  <MeusH> omg :)
08:33:26  <MeusH> you did good, too, fixing it :)
08:33:40  <MeusH> why is the sound stored, anyway?
08:34:06  <Rubidium> because it's played at a later time or so
08:35:24  <MeusH> oh, with some kind of delay?
08:35:48  <Rubidium> yes
08:35:49  <MeusH> I think sounds will be rewritten by OpenTTD 1.0.0 :)
08:36:14  <Rubidium> what should not?
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10:12:07  <roboboy> do you mind me havin my bot in here
10:12:24  <roboboy> it can leave if you want
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10:56:39  <MeusH> robobot: hi
10:56:40  <robobot> MeusH: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
10:56:47  <MeusH> robobot: help
10:56:47  <robobot> MeusH: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
10:56:55  <MeusH> robobot: cmd
10:56:55  <robobot> MeusH: Error: "cmd" is not a valid command.
10:57:08  <MeusH> robobot: help talking_to_you
10:57:08  <robobot> MeusH: Error: There is no command "talkingtoyou".
10:57:26  <XeryusTC> robobot: dance
10:57:27  <robobot> XeryusTC: Error: "dance" is not a valid command.
10:57:34  <Noldo> looks like a supyboy
10:57:38  <Noldo> *bot
10:57:50  <Sacro> !explode
10:57:50  <robobot> Sacro: Error: "explode" is not a valid command.
10:57:54  <Sacro> !spam
10:57:55  <robobot> Sacro: Error: "spam" is not a valid command.
10:58:02  <Sacro> damn
10:58:04  <roboboy> type !list
10:58:05  <Sacro> !help
10:58:05  <robobot> Sacro: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
10:58:07  <Sacro> !list
10:58:08  <robobot> Sacro: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, Topic, and User
10:58:14  <Sacro> !Admin
10:58:15  <robobot> Sacro: Error: "Admin" is not a valid command.
10:58:21  <Sacro> dah
10:58:25  <Noldo> !coin
10:58:25  <Sacro> !Math 1+1
10:58:26  <robobot> Noldo: tails
10:58:27  <roboboy> logs dont work properly at the moment
10:58:28  <robobot> Sacro: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "1+1" in it.  Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
10:58:35  <Sacro> !list Math
10:58:35  <robobot> Sacro: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
10:58:39  <MeusH> !Games
10:58:40  <robobot> MeusH: Error: "Games" is not a valid command.
10:58:47  <Sacro> !list Games
10:58:48  <robobot> Sacro: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
10:58:52  <Sacro> !roulette
10:58:53  <robobot> Sacro: *click*
10:58:58  <Sacro> :D phew
10:59:03  <roboboy> if you get an eror type !list the name of the command
10:59:10  <MeusH> !dice
10:59:10  <Frostregen> Der Wurf mit W ergab:() = 0
10:59:10  <robobot> MeusH: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
10:59:25  <MeusH> !dice 666d666
10:59:25  <Frostregen> Der Wurf mit 666d666W ergab:(,,,,,) = 0
10:59:25  <robobot> MeusH: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice.
10:59:30  <MeusH> !dice 6d6
10:59:30  <Frostregen> Der Wurf mit 6d6W ergab:(,,,,,) = 0
10:59:31  <robobot> MeusH: 3, 6, 1, 2, 3, and 4
10:59:35  <Sacro> !dice 10d1
10:59:35  <Frostregen> Der Wurf mit 10d1W ergab:() = 0
10:59:36  <robobot> Sacro: Error: You can't roll more than 6 dice.
10:59:42  <Sacro> !dice 6d1
10:59:42  <Frostregen> Der Wurf mit 6d1W ergab:(,,,,,) = 0
10:59:42  <robobot> Sacro: Error: Dice can't have fewer than 3 sides.
10:59:44  <MeusH> !dice 6d69
10:59:44  <Frostregen> Der Wurf mit 6d69W ergab:(,,,,,) = 0
10:59:44  <robobot> MeusH: 18, 67, 17, 16, 8, and 30
10:59:48  <roboboy> !Stats
10:59:48  <_42_> roboboy: http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/stats/openttd.html
10:59:49  <robobot> roboboy: I have 3 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
11:00:09  <roboboy> !channelstats
11:00:10  <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 75 messages, containing 2235 characters, 392 words, 1 smiley, and 7 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 11 joins, 0 parts, 4 quits, 0 kicks, 1 mode change, and 0 topic changes.
11:00:14  <Sacro> original stats http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/stats
11:00:31  <roboboy> so we have three stat collectors
11:00:59  <Sacro> ooh, im only 100 lines off Darkvater
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11:01:56  <roboboy> robobot will be moving in a week so its loging feature will work
11:01:56  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "will" is not a valid command.
11:02:03  <roboboy> bleh
11:02:19  * roboboy shoots robobot
11:03:40  <Frostregen> wtf
11:04:35  <roboboy> !list channel
11:04:35  <robobot> roboboy: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
11:05:03  <roboboy> !network part #openttd
11:05:04  <robobot> roboboy: Error: The "Network" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "part" in it.  Try "list Network" to see the commands in the "Network" plugin.
11:05:16  <roboboy> !list network
11:05:17  <robobot> roboboy: command, connect, disconnect, driver, latency, networks, reconnect, and whois
11:05:43  <roboboy> !network command part #openttd
11:05:44  <robobot> roboboy: (network command <network> <command> [<arg> ...]) -- Gives the bot <command> (with its associated <arg>s) on <network>.
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11:06:28  <roboboy> !network command oftc part #openttd
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11:06:57  <roboboy> and to get it back replace the part with join
11:07:23  <roboboy> it will leave when i go to bed by the way if it gets brought back in
11:07:34  <Sacro> how can we message it if its not here
11:07:53  <roboboy> oops
11:08:23  <roboboy> type /msg robobot network command oftc join #openttd
11:08:37  <roboboy> twill work for any other oftc channel
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11:09:22  <roboboy> and replace oftc with another networks name and it will join the channel on that network
11:10:04  <roboboy> Sacro do you understand that now
11:10:20  <roboboy> just pm me if you have any troubles
11:10:26  <roboboy> or get any erors
11:10:33  <MeusH> !network command join #newsignals
11:10:35  <Sacro> roboboy: yeah
11:10:41  <roboboy> yep
11:10:47  <Sacro> MeusH: prefix with /msg robobot
11:10:51  <MeusH> ok
11:11:09  <Rubidium> roboboy: isn't the network stuff easily exploitable?
11:11:20  <roboboy> nope
11:11:25  <Sacro> Rubidium: damn you for pointing that out :p
11:11:35  <roboboy> you have to have robobot op status
11:11:47  <roboboy> you need to be registered with robobot
11:14:34  <Rubidium> ok, so you cannot invite the bot to a channel when you're not an operator of the bot
11:15:01  <roboboy> Rubidium type !user register username password to register
11:15:08  <roboboy> i think you can
11:15:29  <roboboy> then i can give you op powers for it in here
11:15:41  <roboboy> thats the same for the other ops in here
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11:16:41  <Rubidium> I don't need op rights or anything, but if you're registered and can join the bot to any channel, you can let the bot join hundreds if not thousands of channels
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11:17:09  <Sacro> !network command oftc join #newsignals
11:17:24  <roboboy> yep
11:17:34  <roboboy> thats if you have op powers with it
11:17:53  <Sacro> and i dont
11:18:53  <Rubidium> anyway, I think you should hide commands the user is not authorized for
11:19:16  <roboboy> ill try
11:19:30  <Rubidium> or in the case of banning etc, hide them when the bot does not have such powers
11:19:45  <roboboy> thats an idea
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11:40:54  <roboboy> !seen Rubidium
11:40:56  <_42_> roboboy, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
11:41:16  <valhallasw> !seen _42_
11:41:16  <_42_> valhallasw, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
11:41:29  <webfreakz> lol
11:41:29  <valhallasw> not even a '/me waves to valhallasw' :(
11:41:39  <valhallasw> !seen valhalla1w
11:41:40  <_42_> valhallasw, you know that the length of nicks is limited, don't you?
11:41:43  * webfreakz waves at valhallasw
11:41:51  <valhallasw> :S
11:41:54  <valhallasw> !seen valhallasw
11:41:54  <_42_> valhallasw, you know that the length of nicks is limited, don't you?
11:41:58  <valhallasw> stuuupid bot
11:42:11  <webfreakz> !bot stupid
11:42:20  <MeusH> !seen _42
11:42:20  <_42_> MeusH, _42? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember _42.
11:42:22  <MeusH> !seen _42*
11:42:24  <_42_> MeusH, I found one match to your query: _42_. _42_ (truelight@openttd.org) was last seen joining #openttdcoop 5 days 21 hours 13 minutes ago (04.09. 14:28). _42_ is still there.
11:42:25  <roboboy> patchbot is funnier
11:42:27  * webfreakz slaps _42_
11:43:29  <roboboy> patchbot> roboboy: What am I? A mirror?
11:43:30  <roboboy> <roboboy> !seen patchbot
11:43:33  <valhallasw> !seen valha*
11:43:34  <_42_> valhallasw, I found 3 matches to your query: valhallasw, valhalla1w, valhallasw-test. valhallasw (~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl) was last seen joining #openttdcoop 11 hours 22 minutes ago (10.09. 00:20). valhallasw is still there.
11:44:06  <roboboy> roboboy> !seen roboboy
11:44:06  <roboboy> <patchbot> roboboy: What am I? A mirror?
11:44:28  <webfreakz> cut the crap
11:44:35  * valhallasw cuts webfreakz
11:44:56  <webfreakz> :(
11:45:23  <valhallasw> :>
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11:45:51  <Wolf01> is this openbot chan? if so i think i joined the wrong chan
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11:46:25  <roboboy> where just having fun
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11:47:29  <roboboy> we were having fun with it before
11:47:43  <roboboy> !list gives a list of commands
11:47:43  <robobot> roboboy: Error: 'gives' is not a valid plugin.
11:54:13  <Wolf01> !helpCodeSomethingInOttd
11:54:14  <robobot> Wolf01: Error: "helpCodeSomethingInOttd" is not a valid command.
11:54:34  <webfreakz> !kickRobotboy
11:54:35  <robobot> webfreakz: Error: "kickRobotboy" is not a valid command.
11:54:46  <webfreakz> *boy=bot
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11:55:18  <roboboy> hello
11:55:49  <roboboy> !math calc 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999*9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
11:55:49  <robobot> roboboy: 10000000000000001858041164237985177254824338384475974808180285239777931115839147519165775165944355299485783615475014935755981252982705812049910327851089920
11:55:58  <webfreakz> lol
11:56:13  <webfreakz> !math calc 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999^999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
11:56:13  <robobot> webfreakz: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
11:57:44  <roboboy> !channelstats
11:57:44  <robobot> roboboy: On #openttd there have been 112 messages, containing 4487 characters, 660 words, 1 smiley, and 8 frowns; 1 of those messages was an ACTION.  There have been 14 joins, 1 part, 5 quits, 0 kicks, 1 mode change, and 0 topic changes.
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11:58:30  <roboboy> gnight
11:58:45  <roboboy> robobot will leave whn i disconect
11:58:46  <robobot> roboboy: Error: "will" is not a valid command.
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11:59:51  <Sacro> !math calc 10!
11:59:52  <robobot> Sacro: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (line 1)
11:59:59  <Sacro> !math calc !10
11:59:59  <robobot> Sacro: Error: invalid syntax (line 1)
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12:18:23  <Eddi|zuHause3> <Nigel> ummmm, quick question, I got a passenger train, and a long rail line, with stations in the middle, i thought the train would automatically stop at each station to pickup/dropoff pax? <- you have to make sure that "ttdpatch style non-stop" is OFF
12:20:08  <ln-> what a silly name for the setting, btw.
12:20:21  <Sacro> ln-:  yes
12:20:28  <Eddi|zuHause3> i think it is a silly setting anyway...
12:21:10  <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: it's silly as a global setting; it should be settable separately to each train.
12:21:29  <Sacro> or each route
12:21:58  <Eddi|zuHause3> i remember it was an attempt to introduce waypoints
12:22:24  <Eddi|zuHause3> and since we have real waypoints now, that setting is just... junk
12:23:53  <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: no, because its still the only way for multiple track waypoints
12:24:40  <Eddi|zuHause3> that does not change that i hate the setting
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12:26:13  <ln-> Sacro: no, each train.
12:27:03  <ln-> Sacro: it makes sense to have the same route for multiple trains, but some of them are local trains and some are express trains.
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12:27:48  <Eddi|zuHause3> i hate the setting since i got the first TTDPatch...
12:28:04  <Eddi|zuHause3> because it was default on, and basically broke all my savegames
12:32:52  <grimrc> I've made a patch so that ctrl-drag changes the mouse cursor to chunks of the train being moved in a depot, rather than just the single train/wagon you clicked on
12:34:26  <Eddi|zuHause3> grimrc: random thought: for trains shorter than X, show the whole train, otherwise show each engine/wagon type once with a number next to it
12:35:34  <grimrc> Eddi|zuHause3: I was thinking about an ellipsis (the '...' symbol) if the train was too long
12:35:57  <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i like my idea more ;)
12:36:21  <grimrc> Eddi|zuHause3: yeah I like your idea too, but sometimes there will be too many of the different types too
12:37:04  <grimrc> not often I suppose
12:37:15  <Eddi|zuHause3> then you can still collapse it to a single (generic?) wagon, and show the number of total wagons
12:37:28  <grimrc> I don't know how to make an ellipsis sprite, or to draw one; maybe DrawString?
12:37:52  <grimrc> Eddi|zuHause3: true; good idea
12:38:22  <grimrc> you'd have to do the same thing with train engines too
12:38:41  <grimrc> I've still got to cleanup the patch as it is, though; I'd only implement that later
12:39:15  <grimrc> with the way it works now, an ellipsis is needed
12:39:50  <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... just truncating the train is probably fine for a first version
12:41:01  <grimrc> I've changed struct Cursorvars to contain an array of sprites and their offsets
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12:47:39  <grimrc> oh the patch isn't on flyspray yet; needs cleanup
12:49:57  <Nigel> Eddi|zuHause3, i'll try that soon
12:52:05  <Twinsen> !math calc 1998*24
12:52:05  <robobot> Twinsen: 47952
12:54:40  <Twinsen> !list
12:54:40  <robobot> Twinsen: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Games, Math, Misc, Network, Owner, Seen, Topic, and User
12:54:57  <Twinsen> !topic
12:54:57  <robobot> Twinsen: 0.4.8 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs)
12:57:47  <Nigel> Eddi|zuHause3, bingo, thanks
12:58:05  <Nigel> grrrr, Supybot?
12:58:18  <Nigel> hmmm, so it is
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13:02:57  <Sacro> yep
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13:20:31  <Nigel> can't really stand Supy these days
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14:19:04  <Turski> hum... r6434 crashed
14:19:22  <Turski> /home/tarmo/bin/ottd-newest: line 4:  5473 Muistialueen ylitys     /home/tarmo/pelit/OTTD-newest/openttd
14:20:11  <Sacro> ?
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14:22:45  <Rubidium> Turski: can you translate that string into english?
14:24:02  <ln-> it's Segmentation fault, but still it doesn't tell anything.
14:24:27  <Noldo> Turski: what did you do?
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14:33:43  <Turski> its something memorything :S
14:34:01  <Turski> i'm not sure what i did...
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14:44:23  <Turski> oh, it was r429
14:44:31  <Turski> r6429
14:49:14  <webfreakz> turski?
14:51:28  <grimrc> Turski: can't you remember the last thing you were doing?
14:52:43  <webfreakz> if it's a nightly, try to report it on the forums using a savegame+config+r6429
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15:46:01  <eper> admins have kinda limited abilitys, ban/dissolve they have no way to correct an abusive players actions on the physical terrain
15:47:15  <eper> or is there an rcon for "give me lots of cash to fix terrain" ?
15:54:06  <jakob> kk
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15:54:28  <Sacro> buh?
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16:01:41  <AsterixMG> hi @all
16:03:59  <ln-> does @all include yourself?
16:06:00  <AsterixMG> grmbl, got to reboot... brb
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16:11:05  <MeusH> you scared him :o
16:11:42  <MeusH> I'm scared too
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16:13:17  <Brianetta> eper: My autopilot has a save-on-join feature
16:13:21  <Brianetta> and the game can be rolled back
16:13:48  <Brianetta> It's normal that really disruptive behaviour happens within seconds of the disruptive player joining the server
16:15:45  <eper> aye looked at autopilot, decided not to use it until i remove the "pause when everbody leaves" feature
16:16:08  <eper> as i would prefer for the game to progress for people to come back to later and so it restarts at start of day for fresh gaeme
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16:17:22  <Brianetta> You need version 32
16:17:23  <Brianetta> er
16:17:24  <Brianetta> 2
16:17:25  <Brianetta> not 32
16:17:55  <Brianetta> 2 will be released soon
16:18:02  <Brianetta> tonight if I can get my arse in gear
16:18:08  <eper> ah :)
16:18:41  <eper> aye i'll take a look at v2 when it's out
16:19:34  <eper> looks like i could add something in that when it hears "admin" it executes a cmd to email me / tell me on irc or something :}
16:21:22  <Brianetta> There's already a pager command
16:21:25  <Brianetta> in v2
16:21:50  <Born_Acorn> Stop filling everyone with hope!
16:21:58  <Born_Acorn> They can't have V2 yet! :p
16:22:33  <Born_Acorn> Everybody in this room with get £5000 or their currencies equilivent!
16:22:33  <Sacro> Born_Acorn! newsounds!
16:22:40  <Born_Acorn> Next Millenium.
16:22:45  <Brianetta> Born_Acorn: v2 might be tonight
16:23:43  <eper> depends how slack he feels ;)
16:24:11  <Born_Acorn> But they can't have it now!
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16:36:11  <Brianetta> !page admin
16:36:12  <robobot> Brianetta: Error: "page" is not a valid command.
16:36:15  <Brianetta> That's the command
16:36:32  <Brianetta> You do that in the game, and it emails the admin
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16:38:48  <Sacro> bah, how to set up relationships in mysql
16:40:24  <Brianetta> You don't
16:40:49  <Sacro> Brianetta: thanks :)
16:41:01  <Brianetta> I'm quite serious
16:41:31  <Brianetta> The latest phpMyAdmin can let you set relations, which it stores in a special table
16:41:39  <Sacro> really?
16:41:44  <Brianetta> but the engine itself doesn't "do" relationships
16:41:49  <Brianetta> yes, really
16:42:05  <Brianetta> phpMyAdmin then lets you choose foreign keys when inserting
16:42:07  <Sacro> im using 2.9.0 beta 1
16:42:18  <Sacro> but you need InnoDB rather than MyISAM
16:42:19  <Brianetta> and lets you click on foreign keys when browsing tables
16:42:32  <Brianetta> It has nothing to do with the table engine
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16:42:40  <Brianetta> It's a phpMyAdmin feature alone
16:42:47  <Sacro> ah, but will OOo use that too
16:42:52  <Brianetta> no
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16:43:08  <Brianetta> OOo probably uses its own system to define relationships
16:43:24  <Brianetta> Like I said, mysql has no relationship storage
16:43:36  <Brianetta> You specify relationships with join queries, on the fly
16:43:46  <Sacro> yes, but cant you link FKs?
16:43:55  <Brianetta> phpMyAdmin can do that
16:44:02  <Brianetta> mysql can't
16:45:04  <Sacro> hmm, and how do i go about that in phpMyAdmin?
16:45:28  <Brianetta> You need to make a special table for it in the pma database
16:45:35  <Brianetta> which phpMyAdmin uses for internal storage
16:45:46  <Rubidium> AsterixMG, some (more) smallish remarks about the station_stats: do not store the average, but the grand total and calculate the average when showing it. The unnamed enum in station.h should go to station_gui.c because those values are and will only be used by the gui. I furthermore think that ordering the vehicle types should be the same as in the finances window, with the total last.
16:46:01  <Brianetta> Remember, defining relationships there only provides an advantage to phpMyAdmin
16:47:29  <Sacro> yeah, and i only really use that for creating tables, i use OOo for entering data
16:48:28  <Brianetta> Well, you're looking at something OOo specific, then
16:48:48  <Brianetta> There's no built-in MySQL foregn key substitution
16:49:40  <AsterixMG> Rubidium, storing the total instead of average would probably need a bigger max-value when storing cargo-data
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16:51:00  <Rubidium> you're now using a 32 bits variable, so I think it's not that big an issue
16:51:15  <Sacro> Brianetta: what about FOREIGN KEY foo REFERENCES bar
16:51:31  <Brianetta> Sacro: Looks like a new MySQL 5 feature
16:51:39  <Brianetta> Wasn't in 3 or 4
16:52:00  * Brianetta looks into it
16:52:15  <Brianetta> I won't find it useful, but it's worth knowing about
16:52:26  <Sacro> its InnoDB only
16:54:03  <Brianetta> It's MySQL 5 only, too (:
16:54:46  <Brianetta> actually, no
16:54:48  <Brianetta> I am wrong
16:54:57  <Brianetta> 3.23.44 and up
16:54:57  <Sacro> no, its in 4.1
16:55:22  <Rubidium> AsterixMG: and now it is the case that average will be affected negatively when months_counted > amount
16:55:42  <Sacro> But I use MySQL 5, because I use views for some things
16:56:14  <Brianetta> Slows things down a bit, according to the doc
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16:58:03  <Sacro> It will, its extra things for it to keep track of
16:58:10  <Rubidium> AsterixMG: hmm, maybe the impact is not as great as I thought.
16:58:58  <AsterixMG> Rubidium, well, i'm not too sure if my calculation was correct, so maybe storing a total isn't that wrong
16:59:26  <AsterixMG> in the beginning i only had an uint16 for the average, which was too small sometimes :)
17:03:20  <Rubidium> but then the value for max would also be too small
17:04:15  <Rubidium> as max is (for obvious reasons) greater than or equal to average
17:05:06  <Brianetta> Sacro: You do know that InnoDB's foreign key tracking is only for integrity verification and deletes, etc?  It doesn't perform joins on queries.
17:05:32  <AsterixMG> not really, as i multiply average to store some fractional-data
17:06:22  <Rubidium> ah, ok
17:06:35  <Rubidium> then those rounding issues won't be a big problem either
17:07:00  <AsterixMG> Rubidium, thats what STS_AVERAGE_MULTIPLIER is for :)
17:08:15  <Rubidium> that wasn't very obvious when only looking at the line that changes the average
17:09:25  <AsterixMG> hmm, yeah should have documented it there, too
17:10:10  <AsterixMG> but im changing it to store total currently, maybe i should display the total of all months too :)
17:10:49  <Sacro> Brianetta: oh right, well i stlil use joins myself
17:15:52  <webfreakz> OMG, #openttd is the 3rd largest channel on oftc.net
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17:18:36  <Sacro> webfreakz: yep
17:25:20  <Brianetta> oftc is still in the larval stage
17:25:35  <Brianetta> It'll take time for people to abandon Freenode
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17:36:58  <Sacro> oh noes, a Bjarni
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17:55:06  <AsterixMG> new version of stats-patch online: http://mitglied.lycos.de/kuttler/ottd/station_stats_9.diff
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18:22:45  <Rubidium> AsterixMG: there are too much spaces in DrawStationStatWindow: SetDParam(2, ...)
18:23:32  <AsterixMG> oh, forgot to change that after removing the tooltips-part
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18:25:15  <Rubidium> AsterixMG: (total + months / 2) / months might be an easier formula for the average + rounding calculation
18:26:37  <Rubidium> please capitalize all first words of comments (makes it more consistent)
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18:29:47  <Rubidium> actually, it should be (total + (months + 1) / 2) / months
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18:31:11  <AsterixMG> hmm, Rubidium are you sure?
18:31:41  <AsterixMG> total = 1, months =1, -> average = 2
18:32:51  <Rubidium> didn't think of that case ;)
18:34:13  <Rubidium> damn, my 'basic' math skill are quite bad lately :(
18:36:21  <Rubidium> ok, your formula is better, but multiplying/dividing by 2 and adding 1 instead of 10 and 5 would make it overflow much later ;)
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18:41:03  <AsterixMG> didn't think of that... my basic maths skills are bad lately, too :)
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18:56:34  <AsterixMG> updated the diff, hopefully i didn't miss any comments this time :)
18:59:16  <Rubidium> it looks great; can't find anything to complain about ;)
19:00:40  <AsterixMG> \o/
19:01:27  <AsterixMG> hehe, Bjarni now you can try and compile it and it should work ;)
19:02:59  <AsterixMG> hopefully i don't produce any warnings (didn't get any on msvc)
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19:19:57  <Bjarni> AsterixMG: good. URL?
19:20:08  <AsterixMG> http://mitglied.lycos.de/kuttler/ottd/station_stats_9.diff
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19:32:35  <Bjarni> AsterixMG: it appears to work
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19:32:44  <Bjarni> but I guess you already knew that ;)
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19:33:21  <AsterixMG> well, at least it worked for me, but i cant test on OSX for example :)
19:34:23  <AsterixMG> i'll put the patch on flyspray then
19:35:01  <AsterixMG> even though it sounds weird to put a feature to add on "bugs.openttd.org" :P
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19:54:39  <AsterixMG> ok, patch added to flyspray... thanks for your help, Rubidium, the next patch will surely be coming ;)
19:57:46  <Wolf01> 'night all
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20:03:34  <MeusH> ahi
20:03:47  <MeusH> Bjarni, where are you hamster?
20:03:52  <MeusH> !seen Bjarn*
20:03:53  <robobot> MeusH: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 31 minutes and 7 seconds ago: <Bjarni> but I guess you already knew that ;)
20:03:53  <_42_> MeusH, I found 2 matches to your query: Bjarni, bjarni_. Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c67.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 19 minutes ago (10.09. 19:44) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 2 hours 10 minutes there.
20:04:25  <MeusH> LIARS
20:05:09  <MeusH> now tell me guys which bot to listen? :) did he leave 31 or 19 minutes ago?
20:06:00  <Sacro> [20:47] * Bjarni has quit (Quit: Leaving)
20:06:07  <Sacro> 31
20:06:15  <MeusH> thanks
20:06:21  <Sacro> your welcome
20:07:01  * MeusH slaps _42_
20:07:34  <MeusH> _42_ is pretty lyish/liarish/layish/evil dude
20:15:00  <Brianetta> Any openttd settings that can be set from console but not through the cfg file?
20:21:58  <Nigel> Sacro, actually, it was 19 minutes
20:22:12  <Sacro> Nigel: was it?
20:22:16  <Nigel> 63-44 = 19
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20:22:44  <Sacro> !calc 66-47
20:22:45  <robobot> Sacro: 19
20:22:45  <_42_> Sacro: 19;
20:22:50  <Sacro> hmm... damn
20:23:04  <Nigel> your clock is wrong btw
20:23:20  <Sacro> nah it aint
20:23:55  <Nigel> GMT+1.03? :P
20:24:11  <Sacro> yes, im slightly off the meridian
20:24:15  <Nigel> anyway, i'm out
20:24:25  <Nigel> it's off to study i go
20:25:01  <Sacro> cool
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20:43:33  <AsterixMG> good night @all
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21:59:10  <roboboy> gmorning
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22:00:53  <Sacro> *roboboy
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