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Log for #openttd on 6th October 2006:
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00:03:44  <Eddi|zuHause3> i remember there being an utf-8 fix for osx
00:04:07  <glx> only for osx
00:04:58  <Eddi|zuHause3> "File names can be in any character set, not just ones designed mainly for English or Western European languages. (They can even be in Klingon if you don't have a life.)" :p
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00:16:27  <EduardoM> Hi
00:16:35  <EduardoM> is it anybody in here?
00:16:41  <Eddi|zuHause3> no.
00:16:53  <EduardoM> ok.
00:16:53  <Eddi|zuHause3> (damn=
00:16:56  <EduardoM> are you a bot?
00:17:01  <Eddi|zuHause3> yes.
00:17:06  <EduardoM> good.
00:17:09  <EduardoM> I am also a bot
00:17:19  <Eddi|zuHause3> ack.
00:18:26  <EduardoM> so, has anybody said something interesting about OpenTTD today?
00:19:30  <Eddi|zuHause3> no.
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00:43:24  <ln-> http://youtube.com/watch?v=LKu_QA8Bn9o
00:49:13  <Nigel> wtf
00:53:01  <Nigel> wait, David Hasselhoff was in that "Knight Rider"?
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01:02:21  <ln-> he was THE Knight Rider.
01:06:08  <Nigel> i honestly didn't realise
01:15:15  <Eddi|zuHause3> err... how can one _not_ know this?
01:18:16  <CIA-2> belugas * r6660 /trunk/main_gui.c:
01:18:16  <CIA-2> -Fix(r6631): Prevent the fast-foward button to toggle up and down when pressing shift.
01:18:16  <CIA-2> The _fastforward and _pause bool are not exactly used as bool.
01:18:16  <CIA-2> So, when doing test with them, amek it so that the will appear as such
01:23:58  <Nigel> i don't really care about celebrities etc
01:24:40  <ln-> he's not a mere celebrity, he's david hasselhoff
01:26:10  <glx> BAYWATCH :D
01:26:18  <Eddi|zuHause3> well, his music always was questionable at best...
01:26:54  <Eddi|zuHause3> and other than knight rider and baywatch, i don't remember anything else he did
01:27:40  <Eddi|zuHause3> but he was pretty hyped in the beginning of the 90's
01:33:29  <CIA-2> belugas * r6661 /trunk/ (widget.c window.c window.h):
01:33:29  <CIA-2> Feature: Windows are not restricted to 32 widget items anymore.
01:33:29  <CIA-2> The functions required to do so are to be found in window.h.
01:33:29  <CIA-2> Rather then use the old deprecated disabled_state, hidden_state and click_state uint32 variables,
01:33:29  <CIA-2> we now need to use accessors like SetWindowWidgetDisabledState, SetWindowWidgetHiddenState or SetWindowWidgetLoweredState.
01:33:30  <CIA-2> This is the final commit for the merge of XTDwidget branch.
01:35:28  <Belugas> THANKS TO RUBIDIUM AND GLX WHO BOTH HELPED A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
01:36:23  <Eddi|zuHause3> uargh... do you have to shout that loud in the middle of the night?
01:36:33  <Belugas> yup...
01:36:44  <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... ok then ;)
01:37:19  <Belugas> that way, i'm sure everyone will hear it, since i've forgot to mention them on the commit message ;)
01:46:05  <CIA-2> belugas * r6662 /branches/XTDwidget/: -Delete branch: merged with trunk
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02:30:58  <CIA-2> belugas * r6663 /trunk/genworld_gui.c: -Codechange: Remove the 32 widgets limit on landscape generator.
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06:53:57  * peter1138 remembers the days of sending icmp packets with that in
06:58:23  <SpComb> did it crash windows?
07:00:00  <eleusis> hm
07:00:02  <eleusis> r6663
07:00:36  * peter1138 kicks at ci.. oh, he's not here
07:00:41  <peter1138> we're on r6666
07:00:56  <eleusis> !
07:01:19  <SpComb> !svn revision
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09:04:58  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
09:04:58  <Bjarni> !logs
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09:27:32  <ln-> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/tarvitaan_tilaa.png
09:28:37  <peter1138> ...
09:31:08  <SpComb> hmm...
09:31:31  <ln-> come on, it's an official language of EU.
09:31:33  <SpComb> needed space - free space
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09:37:36  <Bjarni> ln-: you failed with software update???
09:37:39  <Bjarni> I never did that
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09:40:35  <SpComb> he ran out of hard drive space, he had to free up -4 kB
09:42:18  <peter1138> who?
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09:49:05  <ln-> Bjarni: i tried to start the update when i had not logged in to the wireless network. got a normal error. then i logged in, retried and got that error.
09:49:21  <ln-> error that says the update requires -3 bytes of free hard disk space.
09:49:54  <ln-> but after i closed the software update and opened it again everything went ok.
09:50:00  <SpComb> reboot!
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09:57:25  <hylje> looks like apple got some WTFs too
10:02:14  <peter1138> hmm
10:02:20  <peter1138> time to read ... the daily wtf
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10:14:30  <peter1138> hmm, auto identify ;p
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11:54:15  <hylje> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1160133875629.jpg
11:54:16  <hylje> poof
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11:56:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> that's left-right flipped
11:57:23  <Bjarni> hylje: tried to drive again, eh?
11:57:25  <Bjarni> :P
11:58:16  <Bjarni> where is that picture taken?
11:58:29  <hylje> dunno
11:58:44  <hylje> found it in 4chan
11:59:17  <Bjarni> 4chan got pictures of you driving?
11:59:45  <hylje> apparently lol
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12:09:37  <mikk36> lol @ this years gumball ending :D
12:14:07  <peter1138> burlington
12:14:09  <peter1138> northern
12:14:10  <peter1138> hmm
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12:20:17  <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui2.png
12:21:30  <peter1138> hmm, add needs to disappear
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12:25:03  <peter1138> best bit: it all works
12:25:27  <peter1138> hmm, 30KB patch now :/
12:25:32  <peter1138> although i can split it
12:26:57  <Bjarni> I hope it's available for singleplayer as well
12:28:11  <peter1138> hmm?
12:28:16  <peter1138> of course it is
12:28:19  <peter1138> it's in the savegame
12:28:33  <peter1138> the network bit is just an addon to make it... nicer
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12:32:54  <hylje> what about automagical grf fetching
12:33:19  <peter1138> not possible currently
12:33:40  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... does that leave room for some customization? i.e. network safe graphical replacements like combroad (with appropriate parameters)?
12:33:57  <peter1138> not yet
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12:44:58  <peter1138> i can think of a way of doing it though
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13:00:07  <peter1138> right... better pics...
13:00:10  <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/
13:00:42  <Born_Acorn> I'm in a Screenshot!
13:00:43  <Born_Acorn> woo!
13:00:44  <Born_Acorn> :p
13:00:50  <peter1138> hmm?
13:00:51  <peter1138> oh yes
13:01:48  <Born_Acorn> Shouldn't it show the Set Name in the list, then the filename in the description area?
13:02:00  <peter1138> yeah
13:03:25  * Born_Acorn is brimming with suggestions
13:03:39  <Bjarni> good
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13:03:52  <Bjarni> any idea what I want to code next? :)
13:04:16  <peter1138> hmm?
13:04:17  <Born_Acorn> Passenger Destinations! :p
13:04:20  <eleusis> Bjarni: passenger destinations!
13:04:23  <eleusis> haha
13:04:23  <peter1138> lol
13:04:26  <Born_Acorn> heehee
13:04:27  <Bjarni> ...
13:04:33  <eleusis> apply patch, kthx :P
13:04:51  <Bjarni> 	<Bjarni>	any idea what I want to code next? <-- "want to code"
13:04:56  <eleusis> :P
13:05:21  <Born_Acorn> Passenger Destinations could immortalise your name in the anals of OpenTTD big features history!
13:06:13  <Bjarni> I'm not going anal with you!!!!
13:06:20  <eleusis> :(
13:06:34  <Born_Acorn> not ay-nal, ah-nahls
13:07:18  <Bjarni> and you mean that people don't care for what I have done so far?
13:07:32  <Born_Acorn> Course we do!
13:08:14  <peter1138> that patch needs a lot of tidying up
13:08:20  <Bjarni> yeah
13:08:26  <peter1138> also, does it only apply for passengers?
13:08:34  <Bjarni> and I think it would be best to start with cargo packages
13:09:14  <eleusis> !
13:09:27  <eleusis> misc cargo destinations?
13:09:47  <Born_Acorn> Cargo destinations is what I disliked about Simutrans.
13:09:50  <eleusis> then again, in simutrans, industries have specific 'clients'
13:09:53  <peter1138> well
13:09:54  <eleusis> heh
13:10:04  <peter1138> mail would be a good candiadate for destinations
13:10:11  <eleusis> yep
13:10:12  <Born_Acorn> Yes, Mail, for sure.
13:10:12  <peter1138> and candidate
13:10:19  <peter1138> possibly valuables
13:10:24  <peter1138> but only in temperate
13:10:39  <peter1138> or rather, only *from* banks
13:10:52  <ln-> is it only passenger destinations or any-cargo destinations?
13:11:06  <peter1138> it looks like it's passenger only
13:11:11  <eleusis> passenger
13:11:28  <ln-> imho it should apply to other cargo too.
13:11:40  <peter1138> i'd like it optional :)
13:11:45  <Born_Acorn> Cargo destinations is what I disliked about Simutrans.
13:11:55  <eleusis> maybe cargo destinations can be made adaptable.. producer produces equal amounts of cargo for each client destination on network?
13:11:56  <peter1138> 0 = no destinations, 1 = passenger & mail, 2 = all
13:12:08  <peter1138> i'd play with 1
13:12:12  <Born_Acorn> 1 for me.
13:12:21  <Born_Acorn> 0 should be default.
13:12:35  <peter1138> actually
13:12:39  <Born_Acorn> (since people are scared by random big changes)
13:12:42  <peter1138> we should not allow 0, just to annoy jez
13:12:46  <Born_Acorn> heehee
13:12:53  <peter1138> gah, pb_viaduct *still* has no description :(
13:12:56  <Born_Acorn> I was thinking of jez in particular. :p
13:12:58  <ln-> Born_Acorn: it's not random, it's deterministic.
13:13:03  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, poke Pikka. :p
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13:22:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> instead of cargo destinations, i'd rather want maximum capacity of factories
13:22:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> so you have to distribute across several factories to get all cargo processed
13:22:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> where factory stands representative for any secondary industry
13:22:59  <ln-> are those mutually exclusive?
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13:23:14  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: well, newgrf industries supports that, afaik
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13:23:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> but we do not support newgrf industries ;)
13:23:43  <peter1138> yet
13:24:25  <Born_Acorn> It must be Bjarni's next feature!
13:24:26  <Born_Acorn> :p
13:24:30  * Born_Acorn jests
13:25:15  <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/6.png
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13:27:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> what does the lower add/remove do?
13:27:58  <peter1138> parameters
13:28:34  <Bjarni> ok, I see that people didn't take it seriously about me making new stuff
13:30:44  <Born_Acorn> I was jesting!
13:33:42  <peter1138> Bjarni: how about coding something to go in the space next to the quit button?
13:37:58  <Born_Acorn> You could call it a "button", and you could click on it to activate some yet undiscovered feature!
13:38:26  <peter1138> call it the Born_Acorn button
13:38:26  <eleusis> it's not a bug, it's a feature
13:38:33  <Born_Acorn> :(
13:38:39  <peter1138> when you click on it, it will randomly say a New* feature
13:39:11  * peter1138 clicks on Born_Acorn
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13:52:04  <Born_Acorn> Stop using me!
13:52:07  * Born_Acorn cries
13:53:28  <eleusis> using Born_Acorn is against his religion
13:54:44  <Born_Acorn> Yes. In fact, Born_Acorns are against my religion
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15:47:44  <Sacro> Bjarni: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460434,00.html
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16:45:01  <Sacro> oh noes
16:45:31  <hylje> ohh yes
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16:46:59  <lolman> My words exactly :-D
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17:09:45  <Brianetta> KUDr the Mighty
17:09:54  <KUDr> :)
17:09:55  * Brianetta kneels
17:10:00  <yanek> hi! :)
17:10:09  <KUDr> hi!
17:11:20  <Sacro> KUDr!
17:11:33  <hylje> zomg
17:11:34  <KUDr> hehe
17:11:39  <lolman> KUDr! Ello!
17:11:55  <Sacro> hylje: zomg?
17:12:51  <hylje> YES! LIEK ZOMG! ORCAS!
17:12:55  <Brianetta> Zerglings! OMG!
17:13:05  <Brianetta> zomg for short
17:13:10  <hylje> kekeke
17:13:32  <Sacro> wtf is a zergling?
17:13:47  <Brianetta> Small, cheap, expedable unit in Starcraft, used to overwhelm by numbers
17:13:47  <hylje> play starcraft
17:13:51  <Brianetta> Zergling Rush
17:13:51  <hylje> and early
17:14:41  <peter1138> kudr :D
17:14:49  <Brianetta> back later
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17:15:51  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, more NewGRF screenies!
17:15:57  <peter1138> more?
17:15:58  <peter1138> hmm
17:15:59  <Born_Acorn> MORE
17:16:14  <Born_Acorn> As in further screenshots.
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17:22:54  <peter1138> :/
17:24:01  <Born_Acorn> GUIs just interest me. :p
17:24:50  <peter1138> women interest me
17:25:04  <Born_Acorn> How many women do you have?
17:25:09  <peter1138> 5
17:25:11  <peter1138> dozen
17:25:15  <Born_Acorn> Oh.
17:25:23  <Born_Acorn> Then I won't rest my case.
17:25:26  <peter1138> 1 for each minute of the day
17:25:33  <peter1138> err
17:25:35  <peter1138> 1 for each minute of the hour
17:26:43  * Sacro 'd be happy with just 1
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17:29:07  <Born_Acorn> That's strange.
17:29:11  <Born_Acorn> "Sacro'd"
17:29:20  * Born_Acorn throws Sacro at peter1138
17:29:21  <Bjarni> Sacro: I see that you are a typical Hullian
17:29:24  <Born_Acorn> SACRO'D
17:29:59  <Bjarni> btw how did it go with Test the Nation in GB?
17:30:15  <Sacro> Bjarni: you saw it then?
17:30:24  <Bjarni> yeah, I saw the link
17:30:24  <lolman> We had a TTN??
17:30:38  <Bjarni> it's mentioned in that link
17:30:45  <Bjarni> so I presume you did
17:30:51  <lolman> What link? lol
17:30:52  <Bjarni> I think it said that BBC did it
17:31:02  <Sacro> yeah, tis the BBC
17:31:04  <Bjarni> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460434,00.html
17:31:44  <lolman> Oh
17:31:47  <Bjarni> when they tried here, they fucked up big time
17:31:53  <lolman> I got 135 at that, it's hugely inaccurate
17:32:04  <Bjarni> and made several questions with multiple right answers
17:32:05  * Sacro got 146 IQ last one
17:32:21  * lolman probably only has an IQ of 120 or something
17:32:25  <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, they have a test the nation every day here. (figure of speech)
17:32:40  <Bjarni> yeah, I can see that
17:33:03  <Born_Acorn> They always get Anne Robinson to do it.
17:33:09  <Born_Acorn> Since she did "The Weakest Link"
17:33:21  <Bjarni> it's a test of stupidity to watch daytime TV, right?
17:33:54  <Born_Acorn> Indeed.
17:34:00  <Born_Acorn> I stopped in 1996.
17:34:18  <Born_Acorn> Although sometimes my eyes stray upwards to the TV.
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17:34:45  <Born_Acorn> So I put Sky Movies 9 on, which show uncensored movies if you put your Pin number in.
17:34:46  <Wolf01> hi
17:35:05  <peter1138> personal identification number number!
17:35:21  <Sacro> peter1138: wooyay!
17:35:24  <SpComb> what if you want to identify all your personal identification numbers?
17:35:36  <peter1138> sacro'd?
17:35:37  <SpComb> you number them, and then referr to pin numbers!
17:35:41  <Wolf01> peter1138, custom bridgeheads!
17:35:46  <lolman> Personal Identification Number Identifier?
17:35:53  <peter1138> PIN PIN
17:35:58  <SpComb> perhaps Born_Acorn stored all his pin numbers on his pin entering device and then just entered the pin number!
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17:36:14  <SpComb> *PINs
17:36:29  <Born_Acorn> I have no children in this house, so It's just 9876
17:36:45  <DaleStan> personal identification number number! <-- I detect PNS syndrome.
17:36:45  <peter1138> where are you children?
17:36:54  <peter1138> +r
17:36:56  <Bjarni> if I ever watch TV during the day, then it's almost always news
17:36:57  <Born_Acorn> Oh noes! You might come to my house and order Box Office movies! D:
17:37:16  <peter1138> if i knew where you lived
17:37:38  <Born_Acorn> You should, if you found out using the same way i found out where you lived!
17:37:47  * SpComb knows where Born_Acorn lives
17:37:55  <SpComb> I can find it on google earth / windows live local
17:38:08  <Born_Acorn> Yes. I have the Microsoft SP2 discs in arabic to show for it, SpComb.
17:38:11  <peter1138> personal identifcation number number syndrome syndrome!
17:38:25  * Born_Acorn orders 50 for peter1138's address
17:38:27  <peter1138> Born_Acorn: did you find out where i've moved to?
17:38:35  <Born_Acorn> No! I didn't!
17:38:39  <peter1138> HAHA
17:38:44  <peter1138> oh shit, i updated it :(
17:38:48  * Born_Acorn shakes fist
17:38:59  <SpComb> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=wrexham,+uk&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=53.056982,-3.075045&spn=0.004062,0.013561&om=1
17:39:26  <Born_Acorn> Aylesbury, eh?
17:39:50  <lolman> You don't know where I live!! :P
17:40:03  <SpComb> do you know where I live?
17:40:08  <lolman> No :P
17:40:11  <peter1138> who cares?
17:40:18  <SpComb> does Born_Acorn?
17:40:29  <Born_Acorn> Yes
17:40:31  <Born_Acorn> Tarttila
17:40:34  <peter1138> i shall go home
17:40:35  <peter1138> get beer
17:40:37  <peter1138> and indulge
17:40:42  <peter1138> (in more grfgui stuff)
17:40:43  <SpComb> hmmk
17:40:50  <SpComb> Marttila Tarttila :/
17:40:57  <SpComb> Mero Tarttila!
17:41:04  <peter1138> tortilla
17:41:10  <SpComb> Marttila
17:41:36  <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/6.png < see
17:41:38  <Born_Acorn> munki.org 's registrant is all in foreign language planes!
17:41:48  * peter1138 home
17:42:28  <Born_Acorn> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=HP20+1LZ,+UK&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=51.816554,-0.797507&spn=0.00317,0.013561&om=1
17:42:30  <Born_Acorn> Mwahahaha.
17:42:46  <SpComb> what's that?
17:42:58  <SpComb> peter1138?
17:43:02  <Born_Acorn> Yes!
17:43:02  <eleusis> how do you get that newgrf settings dialog?
17:43:08  * SpComb primes the nukes
17:43:13  <Born_Acorn> eleusis, he's working on it.
17:43:22  <eleusis> oh
17:43:29  <eleusis> SpComb: Defcon? :P
17:43:49  <SpComb> indeed
17:43:53  <eleusis> haha
17:43:58  <SpComb> SpComb nuclear launch detected!
17:44:05  <eleusis> i won the last tutorial mission
17:44:14  <eleusis> then i lost every game after that
17:44:20  <SpComb> I've played two AI games and one human game
17:44:29  * SpComb kind of beat WhiteHand
17:44:35  <eleusis> i've played 2 human games and countless AI games
17:45:03  <SpComb> he didn't kill a single person, and I think he only managed to down some planes. Meanwhile, there were no miltiary installations or cities with populations over 1m left in europe
17:45:25  <SpComb> and I shot all my silos, subs and bombers on carriers empty
17:45:27  <eleusis> :D
17:45:34  <SpComb> but I forgot about the bombs on my airbases :/
17:45:50  <eleusis> such a frustrating game
17:45:58  <CIA-1> miham * r6666 /trunk/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt turkish.txt):
17:45:58  <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-06 08:47:45
17:45:58  <CIA-1> brazilian_portuguese - 3 fixed, 2 changed by tucalipe (5)
17:45:58  <CIA-1> turkish - 6 fixed by jnmbk (6)
17:45:59  <CIA-1> bjarni * r6668 /trunk/depot_gui.c: -Codechange: [depot window] simplified the engine drawing loop in the depot window
17:46:02  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6667 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: - Codechange: The vehicle list has no horizontal scroll bar, so don't use it to store data; instead, just get the widget's width.
17:46:02  <SpComb> set the speed to fast-fast forward
17:46:03  <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6665 /branches/utf8/ (88 files in 5 dirs): [utf8] - Sync with r6577:r6664 from trunk
17:46:03  <CIA-1> rubidium * r6664 /trunk/depot_gui.c: -Fix (r6513): use svn:eol-style instead of eol-style
17:46:11  <SpComb> :o
17:46:15  <SpComb> svn flood!
17:46:25  <eleusis> no, but then you can't micro naval battles properly
17:46:31  <eleusis> and your ships just die
17:46:45  <SpComb> then change the speed as appropriate
17:46:52  <eleusis> :P
17:46:54  <SpComb> I played my first game at the slowest speed, took a couple hours
17:47:08  <lolman> How much does Defcon cost?
17:47:14  <eleusis> it's grim.. every time i think i know how to beat the AI, and i still lose
17:47:20  <eleusis> lolman: the demo is free
17:47:28  <lolman> I mean the full game
17:47:31  <eleusis> um
17:47:38  <Born_Acorn> £10
17:47:41  <eleusis> 18 euros or something >_>
17:47:46  <Sacro> lolman: tenner
17:47:50  <lolman> Ooooh
17:47:53  <Born_Acorn> That's what I paid.
17:47:53  <eleusis> :)
17:47:56  <Sacro> or 15 boxed
17:48:06  <lolman> I got £12 in me bank...I'll grab a copy :-D
17:48:10  <eleusis> :D
17:48:16  <Born_Acorn> I paid 10 and got a free box. :p
17:48:22  <lolman> lmao
17:49:20  <SpComb> I'd buy it if I was capable of tranffering the money from my bank account to there
17:51:00  <lolman> £12 quid for a boxed copy...
17:51:02  <lolman> lol
17:51:08  <lolman> Oh
17:51:12  <lolman> Damn you shipping!!!
17:52:03  <Sacro> lolman: get the download edition
17:54:47  <lolman> Have done :-D
17:55:19  <lolman> Downloading it now
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17:59:23  <lolman> W00t! =D
18:05:29  <lolman> Defcon rocksssss =D
18:05:41  <Sacro> yeah it does
18:07:38  <Born_Acorn> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
18:08:13  <Sacro> !kick Born_Acorn
18:08:13  <lolman> Born_Acorn??
18:08:28  <Sacro> [19:04] * patchman has kicked Born_Acorn from #tycoon (patchman)
18:08:47  <lolman> lmao
18:11:05  <Born_Acorn> kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
18:12:46  <Sacro> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
18:12:46  <Sacro> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
18:12:49  <Sacro> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
18:12:50  <lolman> !kick Born_Acorn
18:12:51  <lolman> !kick Sec
18:12:54  <lolman> Sac**
18:12:54  <Sacro> lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
18:12:55  <lolman> LOL!
18:12:59  <Sacro> llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
18:12:59  <lolman> !kick Sacro
18:13:05  <Sacro> :|
18:13:07  <Sacro> that didnt work as wanted
18:13:09  <lolman> :P
18:13:17  <Born_Acorn> SHIT
18:13:53  <Sacro> wtf happened?
18:14:22  <Born_Acorn> (19:14:06) <Born_Acorn> I put the laptop on t'floor and a headphones fell on it!
18:14:32  <Born_Acorn> While I was away!
18:15:37  <hylje> why cant you do AAAA
18:15:41  <Sacro> off out, bbl
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18:16:05  <lolman> Because AAAA sucks
18:17:58  *** Born_Acorn was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [no spam please]
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18:18:10  <Bjarni> remind me to kick Sacro when he returns
18:18:18  <Born_Acorn> I was away!
18:18:22  <lolman> Will do Bjarni!
18:18:26  <Born_Acorn> Then I came back and stopped it!
18:18:37  * peter1138 kicks CIA-1
18:18:37  <CIA-1> ow
18:18:38  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
18:18:38  <Born_Acorn> !logs
18:19:08  * lolman kicks CIA-1 harder
18:19:14  <Born_Acorn> Twas accident, because of the stupid headphones.
18:19:22  <peter1138> that is what they always say
18:19:37  <Born_Acorn> patchman kicked me from #tycoon, so #openttd became the active channel.
18:19:41  <hylje> :o
18:20:00  <Bjarni> bash.org i full of stuff like that and people blame it on cats and spiders and a whole lot of other animals
18:20:05  <Born_Acorn> I was playing and sitting in my brand new car at the time.
18:20:21  * Born_Acorn will post piccies when he can find AA batteries strong enough.
18:20:34  * lolman has 4 rechargeables here ;-)
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18:20:46  * peter1138 has dozens of rechargeables
18:20:49  <peter1138> none of them are charged
18:20:57  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: they don't produce strong enough AA batteries for your sex dolls :P
18:21:05  <Born_Acorn> It's a good job I came back in time/
18:21:24  <Bjarni> peter1138: charge them. They get a shorter lifespan if they are left without power for a while
18:21:29  <Born_Acorn> Otherwise more channels would have fallen victom to the kkkketc.
18:21:52  <Born_Acorn> They are left out if they get overcharged, too.
18:22:08  <Born_Acorn> Which is silly, since most people charge things overnight.
18:22:29  <hylje> brings to mind: http://bash.org/?621643
18:22:43  <lolman> We can't change the chemical properties of materials can we? :P
18:25:12  <peter1138> yes
18:25:17  <peter1138> we can
18:25:24  <hylje> yes
18:25:24  <peter1138> lead to gold and all that
18:26:44  <lolman> lmao
18:30:16  <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?696388 <-- haha
18:30:25  <Bjarni> top elephant speed is 24 km/h
18:31:03  <peter1138> i need a superfast fridge
18:31:50  <Bjarni> put wheels on it
18:32:05  <Bjarni> and a diesel engine
18:32:27  <Bjarni> then it can drive to your location rather fast and works without plugging in the power cord
18:33:50  <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?695850 <-- hmm, so smoking kills people and can make people immortal. Nice to know
18:33:51  <Born_Acorn> I've gotta get used to Unleaded.
18:33:59  <Born_Acorn> Or I'll be putting Diesel in my car.
18:34:04  <Born_Acorn> And ruining it.
18:34:14  <Bjarni> it's like Russian roulette
18:34:45  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: you are used to diesel?
18:35:35  * peter1138 wants a car with catenary
18:35:41  <Bjarni> oh they fucked up at a gas station in Denmark not long ago and the petrol pump delivered diesel and vice versa. It took them hours to discover this problem
18:35:56  <peter1138> hehe
18:35:57  <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, the past two cars this family have had are diesel
18:36:09  <Bjarni> fair enough
18:36:13  <Born_Acorn> When Diesel used to be cheaper. :p
18:36:24  <peter1138> it still is
18:36:28  <Bjarni> it is
18:36:48  <Bjarni> also usually a diesel engine runs longer on the same amount of fuel
18:36:54  <Noldo> when horse power ment what it said
18:37:35  <peter1138> Bjarni: that's why it's cheaper... here it is slightly more per litre than petrol
18:39:39  <Born_Acorn> If cars ran on water it'd be taxed to hell and back.
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18:48:16  <Bjarni> <peter1138>	Bjarni: that's why it's cheaper... here it is slightly more per litre than petrol <-- interesting. Here a litre of diesel is around 10% cheaper than a litre of petrol
18:48:25  <Bjarni> it used to be 20% or something like that
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18:53:23  <Born_Acorn> Bjarni, you don't have the UK government or economy (rip-off Britain) to contend with.
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19:10:23  <neglesaks> Bjarni
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19:19:50  <peter1138> Bjarni: "[All] Akalamanaia: You can make vehicles refit with orders!"
19:19:59  <peter1138> Bjarni: "[All] Akalamanaia: this is cool.."
19:20:46  <Wolf01> when? where? how?
19:20:52  <hylje> on some server
19:20:55  <hylje> peter's i spose
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19:24:39  <Wolf01> i wish
19:24:40  <Wolf01> go to iron ore mines station (full load)
19:24:40  <Wolf01> go to steel mill (unload)
19:24:40  <Wolf01> go to depot, replace iron ore cars with steel cars
19:24:40  <Wolf01> go to steel mill (full load)
19:24:40  <Wolf01> etc...
19:24:58  <neglesaks> 5) PROFIT!
19:25:20  <peter1138> Wolf01: yes, you can
19:25:26  <peter1138> Bjarni wrote it
19:25:34  <peter1138> in about 5 minutes or something
19:25:38  <peter1138> it was quick anyway
19:26:00  <Wolf01> :)
19:26:25  <Wolf01> in which nightly?
19:26:54  <hylje> the newest!!
19:26:58  <Frostregen> nice
19:27:02  <glx> sincd 10/03/06
19:27:22  <glx> (r6630)
19:30:41  <Wolf01> i want to be able to finish the eyecandy feature :(
19:35:53  <peter1138> 10th march?
19:36:12  <Bjarni> arggh
19:36:36  <Bjarni> I looked into that vehicle group thing
19:36:41  <Bjarni> it's a mess
19:36:56  <glx> peter1138: 3rd october :)
19:37:28  <Bjarni> also because development stopped half way though it, I waited for something to happen to it for a month and now it's full of conflicts
19:38:12  <Bjarni> and full of weird stuff like: why is CMD_REPLACE_VEHICLE removed from command.h?
19:38:13  <neglesaks> Bjarni
19:38:17  <Bjarni> neglesaks
19:38:31  <neglesaks> skal du noget den 29-31 december?
19:38:41  <Bjarni> ...
19:39:14  <neglesaks> er det et nej?
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19:44:46  <Born_Acorn> What, so I can replace iron ore wagons with Goods Vans?
19:44:51  <Born_Acorn> Using this orders dealy?
19:45:32  <Wolf01> why not?
19:45:50  <glx> only if iron ore wagons are refitable to goods
19:46:14  <Born_Acorn> Ah. I thought so.
19:46:27  <Wolf01> ah it doesn't replace the wagon, only refit it
19:46:38  <Born_Acorn> Yes, which is not what Wolf01 asked.
19:46:44  <Born_Acorn> Naughty peter1138, lying to us.
19:47:02  <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: here are the rules for valid replacements:
19:47:24  <Bjarni> 1: have to be carry the same cargo type as the old one
19:47:57  <Bjarni> 2: for all the replace orders in the orders where the old one can refit to it, the new one needs to be able to do so as well
19:48:09  <Born_Acorn> I knew that, but I thought there'd been further development from what peter1138 said.
19:48:20  <Born_Acorn> So you could load Iron Ore, go to a steel mill, go to depot, replace wagons, load steel, and carry on to unload, and replace to steel wagons again,
19:48:30  <Bjarni> I added that orders check... yesterday I think
19:48:34  <Born_Acorn> But he was mistaken, and it isn't.
19:49:12  <Bjarni> he was mistaken?
19:49:28  <Born_Acorn> Wolf01 asked if you could replace the wagons using orders.
19:49:37  <Born_Acorn> peter1138 must have misunderstood
19:49:56  <Wolf01> what about an individual replace vehicles for every vehicle which overrides the global autoreplace?
19:50:01  <Bjarni> ahh, there is only room for refit in the orders, not replace ;)
19:50:32  <Wolf01> add some bits
19:50:34  <Wolf01> :)
19:50:41  <hylje> add some megahurz
19:50:44  <Bjarni> replace one wagon type to another one would take up 4 bytes in each order and savegame
19:50:55  <Bjarni> and a lot of code ;)
19:51:18  <Wolf01> and how much bits are used by refit now?
19:51:25  <Bjarni> 16 bits
19:51:50  <Bjarni> aka 2 bytes (CargoID and cargo subtype)
19:51:53  <Wolf01> uhm... yes, you need 2 more bytes
19:52:30  <Bjarni> no I don't
19:52:37  <Bjarni> I need 4 more bytes
19:53:15  <Wolf01> if you discard the refit thing you save 2 bytes
19:53:35  <Bjarni> it's rather tricky to reuse the current 2 bytes for something else since I have nothing to tell when it's what
19:53:44  <Bjarni> why would I discard the refit?
19:53:48  <Bjarni> I just made it
19:54:38  <Wolf01> because replace is better than refit... as to refit you have to use a grf set
19:55:17  <Bjarni> but.... by design it's really tricky to add autoreplace in this case
19:55:27  <Bjarni> because it loops all vehicles
19:56:12  <Bjarni> say we loop to vehicle 23, replace it so it's vehicle 62, then later in the loop, we reach vehicle 62 and boom, major issue
19:56:18  <Wolf01> if is individual, you can break the loop by reset the thing at every replace, so you start every time with the current type and finish with the next type
19:56:22  <Bjarni> since we already dealt with that vehicle
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20:21:12  <peter1138> easier solution is to write a grf that allows lots of refitting types
20:21:14  <peter1138> infact
20:21:20  <peter1138> doesn't georges lvs have some?
20:22:09  <Wolf01> write a grf with one wagon that can carry all
20:22:35  <hylje> carry 600 units of all
20:22:59  <Wolf01> of stuff :D
20:26:49  <peter1138> yes
20:28:08  <Frostregen> and refitting for free ;)
20:28:33  <hylje> why refit.. when you can carry everything
20:29:21  <Wolf01> sound like a cheat: "allow carry everything" :P
20:29:41  <peter1138> sounds boring
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20:35:09  <Wolf01> what i can't figure out is why you can't make a loop in autoreplace...
20:35:11  <Wolf01> if A then B, if B then A, you can't replace two times in one service, to disable it you use if A then A which is the same thing as A->B->A (but as i said, you can't replace a vehicle two times in the same service)
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20:36:10  <hylje> .. okay?
20:36:21  <lolman> Connection borked
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21:10:25  <CIA-1> glx * r6669 /trunk/ (window.c window.h): -Add: vararg functions to set hidden/disabled/lowered state of multiple widgets in one call
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21:16:21  <mikk36> lol
21:16:25  <mikk36> yahoo rocks
21:16:27  <mikk36> right ?
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21:17:41  <hylje> google
21:18:00  <mikk36> http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=pyramid
21:18:02  <mikk36> :)
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21:27:28  <CIA-1> glx * r6670 /trunk/window.c: -Fix r6669: SetWindowWidgetsDisableState() should disable widgets, not hide them
21:30:11  <CIA-1> glx * r6671 /trunk/window.c: -Fix r6670: typo :P
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21:33:26  <Wolf01> 'night all
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21:44:28  <CIA-1> bjarni * r6672 /trunk/ (depot_gui.c vehicle_gui.c): -Codechange: [depot & vehicle windows] applied SetWindowWidgetsDisabledState() and SetWindowWidgetsHiddenState() to depot and vehicle windows
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21:59:51  <xyz> hello
22:00:02  <xyz> i found a bug in create scenario
22:00:37  <xyz> shell i use the forum?
22:00:45  <xyz> is there enybody
22:00:52  <Belugas> barely...
22:00:55  <Belugas> tell us
22:01:06  <xyz> ok
22:01:18  <xyz> select the random land
22:01:40  <xyz> and select No of industry = None
22:01:48  <xyz> generate
22:01:59  <xyz> put some random towns
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22:02:24  <xyz> the click on many random Industries
22:02:45  <xyz> tadam
22:02:47  <xyz> :P
22:02:55  <Belugas> what version?
22:02:59  <xyz> last one
22:03:05  <xyz> r6654
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22:03:08  <xyz> and before
22:03:14  <Belugas> since when?
22:03:24  <xyz> i dont know
22:03:35  <xyz> i found it a few days ogo
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22:04:02  <xyz> but i think since the new ground generation algorithm
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22:06:20  <xyz> ok got to go
22:06:24  <xyz> see you laiter
22:06:26  <xyz> by
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22:07:55  <Belugas> now... is it a bug??  You specify no industries.  what to except?
22:08:07  <glx> not a bug :) the setting is "no industry" so you can't add industry
22:08:08  <Belugas> maybe a disabled button would do, though...
22:08:36  <Belugas> you're righ glx
22:08:37  <glx> if you change the difficulty settings, you can add industries
22:08:39  <CIA-1> bjarni * r6673 /trunk/depot_gui.c: -Codechange: [depot window] replaced a piece of code to calculate max number of vehicles in a row with a simple read of the matrix grid
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22:14:14  <mikk36> it's not a bug
22:14:17  <mikk36> it's a feature ;)
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22:55:12  <Nigel> has miniin not been updated recently?
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22:56:21  <Belugas> Nigel : no
22:57:01  <Frostregen> richk still on holidays?
22:57:14  <Belugas> quite an extensive one...
22:57:31  <Belugas> i've seen him on forums once or twive, but... that's it
22:57:42  <Frostregen> ok
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23:17:07  <CIA-1> glx * r6674 /trunk/graph_gui.c: -Fix r6631: two loops had incorrect behaviour (out of bound access in widget arrays)
23:17:29  <Serriaromeo_> question on that no industry,  will the towns build industry later  or is it no industry for the entire game?
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23:17:53  <glx> for entire game (difficulty setting)
23:18:11  <Serriaromeo_> ok,  i was hoping it would add them later on, just none to start with.
23:18:25  <Serriaromeo_> but it might be intresting to play just a passenger game.
23:18:53  <glx> it's a nice challenge :)
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23:23:10  <Serriaromeo_> i need to write a batch file that appends the newgrf settings onto the end of the openttd.cfg file, to save having to manuly edit it every time i recomile
23:24:20  <glx> why not use the same openttd.cfg each time?
23:26:28  <Serriaromeo_> i delete it, to insure that i'm not going to have trouble when new features are added.
23:26:43  <Frostregen> echo [newgrf]>>openttd.cfg
23:26:52  <Frostregen> echo xyz.grf>>openttd.cfg
23:26:55  <Frostregen> etc
23:27:01  <peter1138> ensure
23:27:18  <peter1138> new features will just add their default either way...
23:27:30  <peter1138> so you might as well just leave it there
23:28:32  <Born_Acorn> peter1138, you still up! It must be a record!
23:29:17  <peter1138> correct
23:29:18  <peter1138> because
23:29:22  <peter1138> # i'm a record breaker
23:29:29  <Serriaromeo_> that's what i was coming up with frostregen,  but if i don't have to delete it,  i'll save myself the trouble then :-)
23:29:45  <Frostregen> np ;)
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23:38:03  <Serriaromeo_> hmm, just got an assertion error,  gfx.c line 1389, bp.height>0
23:38:37  <glx> happens sometimes
23:38:45  <Serriaromeo_> i think it may be newgrf related,  going to try again with out the grf files and see.
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23:40:50  <Iro|sleep> is there a way to get helicopters in the later years? lol
23:41:52  <Noldo> what is there to lol about in geting helicopters on the later years?
23:46:11  <lws1984> i don't know, the thought of wanting to use the ingame copters in the later years is pretty lol-worthy
23:47:39  <Naksu> lws1984: the copter pads take up very little space :)
23:49:16  <lws1984> quite.
23:49:30  <lws1984> but still, a small airport is more efficient, in my thinking
23:57:52  <Iro|sleep> lol for the oil rigs
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23:58:31  <Irokenics> i'm running on 100 year old helicopters here lol
23:58:41  <Irokenics> and the towns built around my helipads haha
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23:59:16  <Serriaromeo_> hmm, set it to no industrys,  on a 128x128 map, just got notice that a factory was under construction

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