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00:00:37 <Bjarni> and also disable NPF (the line before YAPF in the patch menu) 00:00:38 <lws1984> hmmm, ok then 00:00:47 <lws1984> thanks 00:00:47 <Bjarni> but wait 00:00:51 <lws1984> wait? k then 00:01:04 <Bjarni> you should test to see if the new binary changes anything before changing settings 00:01:23 <lws1984> alright 00:01:28 <lws1984> ooh, it finished 00:01:32 <lws1984> wasn't paying attention 00:02:30 <Bjarni> if it turns out to be YAPF, then we may have a problem 00:02:59 <Bjarni> the pathfinder works rather well, but if it is slowing you down to a level where you can't play... 00:03:23 <lws1984> well, I'm not getting any freezing 00:03:32 <lws1984> just some crashing when I try to make a 64x64 map 00:03:34 <Bjarni> same config file? 00:03:44 <Bjarni> what crash? 00:03:51 <lws1984> aye, same config file, same .grf's 00:04:00 <lws1984> what do you mean what crash? 00:04:13 <Bjarni> <lws1984> just some crashing when I try to make a 64x64 map 00:04:20 <Bjarni> it's an assert, right? 00:04:36 <lws1984> assert...? 00:04:47 <Bjarni> the game crashed, right? 00:04:50 <lws1984> ah, yes 00:04:52 <lws1984> it crashed 00:05:02 <Bjarni> it showed a window telling that it crashed, right? 00:05:06 <lws1984> aye 00:05:13 <Bjarni> what did that window say? 00:05:18 <lws1984> the one where it asked if you wanted to report bug or reopen or close 00:05:23 <Bjarni> oh 00:05:28 <Bjarni> crap 00:05:32 <lws1984> heh 00:05:34 <Bjarni> I can't use that for anything at all 00:05:35 <lws1984> just tried it again 00:05:36 <lws1984> no crash 00:06:03 <Bjarni> what is the CPU usage now? 00:06:08 <lws1984> eh.. hold on 00:06:22 <lws1984> closed activity monitor before dinner 00:06:42 <lws1984> it's about 50-60% capacity 00:07:01 <Bjarni> and in main menu? 00:07:05 <Bjarni> any change there? 00:07:10 <lws1984> main menu, no freezing 00:07:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-192-167.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:18 <lws1984> everything works properly so far as I can tell 00:07:20 <Bjarni> I meant in CPU usage ;) 00:07:24 <lws1984> oh, hold on then 00:07:52 <lws1984> it's about 90%, but no freeznig 00:07:54 <lws1984> *freezing 00:08:07 <Bjarni> hmm 00:08:32 <Bjarni> so it looks like it's a faster binary 00:08:38 <lws1984> oh, and multiplayer works now 00:08:40 <Bjarni> even though it should be the same 00:08:57 <Bjarni> keep the dmg file 00:09:04 <lws1984> k then 00:09:06 <lws1984> thanks a lot 00:09:07 <Bjarni> it's always good to have a version that you know works 00:09:17 <Bjarni> and then we will see if the future nightly builds still have this issue 00:09:30 <Bjarni> if they do, then.... we will think of something 00:09:31 <lws1984> aye, will be interesting 00:09:39 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:09:46 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:09:48 <lws1984> gnight 00:10:14 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:41 <Serriaromeo> question, what's the process for getting a patch added to the trunk? 00:27:23 <Gonozal_VIII> http://bugs.openttd.org/ post & wait 00:32:58 <ln-> Serriaromeo: it's nearly impossible. 00:33:09 <ln-> Serriaromeo: how many lines is it? 00:33:35 <Serriaromeo> i was just curious if there is a formal process for it, 00:33:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8098F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:35:36 <ln-> if it's a very trivial few-line bug fix, the chances are good. if it's a non-trivial bugfix, it'll take maybe half a year. if it's a non-trivial new feature, ..., dunno, probably near to impossible. 00:36:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81639.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:36:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:36:44 <Serriaromeo> so things like the copy/paste patch, chances are slim to none. 00:38:13 <Gonozal_VIII> miniin is better :-) 00:39:01 <Serriaromeo> i like playing the minin, but i figured the chances of all the patches getting accepted was nil, so i figured i'd ask about the single most useful patch in minin. 00:40:28 <ln-> Serriaromeo: sometimes it may happen that the devs like your idea, and the chances get better. 00:40:45 <Serriaromeo> oh, ok, i see what your saying. 00:46:28 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 00:48:43 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:57 <PandaMojo> !seen Celestar 00:50:01 <_42_> PandaMojo, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 4 weeks 4 days 13 hours 41 minutes ago (05.09. 11:08) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 37 minutes there. 00:50:48 <PandaMojo> Serriaromeo: Even a simple bug fix has taken over ^^^^ that long ^^^^^ in the not-accepted-yet stage 00:50:53 <PandaMojo> :D 00:51:50 <Serriaromeo> i guess you can't rush the devs :-) 01:00:00 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:03:45 <PandaMojo> Hmmph. I don't get it. The cheat menu combo won't trigger at all. 01:04:59 <PandaMojo> Each individual key brings up the right codes, they've worked in the non-nightlies, the other two-combos work fine... 01:05:00 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-196-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 01:05:02 <Serriaromeo> ctrl-alt-c is not triggering it? 01:05:12 <PandaMojo> Nope. 01:05:29 <Serriaromeo> which verison are you running? 01:05:35 <PandaMojo> This has been happening awhile too, I just havn't gotten around to actually poking my nose into things until now 01:05:53 <PandaMojo> Currently.... 01:06:01 <PandaMojo> R6635 01:06:04 <PandaMojo> (trunk) 01:07:08 <Serriaromeo> just to get the basic stuff out of the way, have you tried to delete your cfg file, and then restart openttd and try it? 01:07:27 <Serriaromeo> not that i know it would have any effect. 01:07:36 <PandaMojo> I don't think it would, but I'll try renaming it 01:08:43 <Serriaromeo> well, it can't hurt anyway 01:09:15 <PandaMojo> Yeah, no effect 01:10:12 <Serriaromeo> just for giggles, have you tried to swap out the keyboard? 01:10:46 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@M3089P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:10 <Serriaromeo> and do you have any software running that uses ctrl-alt-c for a shortcut key, i.e. word, or possible a graffics program, like nvida's or ati's screen programs? 01:11:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N807P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:14:37 <PandaMojo> Hmmm... 01:15:54 <PandaMojo> Havn't tried swapping out the keyboard, closed down most of the things running in the background... going to double check that cheating works in 0.4.8 01:16:29 <Serriaromeo> i'm just tossing out ideas, hopefully at least one of them will help. 01:16:32 <PandaMojo> Nope... last I'm certian it was working was 0.4.7, going to try that version again 01:16:56 <PandaMojo> Ctrl+C and Alt+C work fine of course :P 01:17:06 <PandaMojo> (I can see them hitting the breakpoint in the debugger...) 01:17:24 <Serriaromeo> it sounds almost like something is capturing the ctrl-alt combo before it hits the game. 01:17:30 <Gonozal_VIII> alt + ctrl + windows key + c 01:18:05 <PandaMojo> Serriaromeo: Maybe 01:18:14 <PandaMojo> Pried off the windows key 01:18:19 <PandaMojo> ... not sure where it is either >_< 01:18:30 * PandaMojo grabs a pen 01:19:03 <Gonozal_VIII> between alt and strg on my keyboard 01:19:06 <PandaMojo> Ctrl + Alt + Win + C works 01:19:28 <Gonozal_VIII> strg --> ctrl 01:19:30 <PandaMojo> Gonozal_VIII: No, I mean, the physical cover to the key has been pried off - I have to poke it with this pen :D 01:19:30 <Gonozal_VIII> sry^^ 01:19:56 <PandaMojo> I guess that means it is something in the system that's blocking the durn thing >_> 01:19:57 <Serriaromeo> well, in that case, i would suggest a dollar keyboard replacement. 01:20:24 <PandaMojo> Serriaromeo: I pried them off because they have an annoying tendancy to tab me out of full screen games, resulting in untimely demises 01:20:25 <Gonozal_VIII> i think that's a feature, not a bug 01:20:48 <PandaMojo> Feature maybe, one I want to disable though :P 01:21:03 <PandaMojo> Well, rather, whatever is hooking into CTRL+ALT+C I want to disable 01:21:08 <Gonozal_VIII> cheating is evil anyways :P 01:21:31 <PandaMojo> I just hate coaxing little towns into accepting me 01:21:41 <Serriaromeo> true, but that option to allow jets to land at small airports is nice, 01:22:03 <PandaMojo> I like building in paused mode too 01:22:08 <Gonozal_VIII> planting some trees works fine 01:22:22 <PandaMojo> Gonozal_VIII: Not when it's in the middle of a freakin' forest 01:22:39 <Serriaromeo> dynamite first, then trees 01:22:47 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 01:23:00 <PandaMojo> That seems to worsen their rating overall for me :( 01:23:43 <Gonozal_VIII> you reach a point where you can't get worse 01:24:01 <PandaMojo> Mmm, I see what you're saying. 01:24:22 <PandaMojo> Well, I still wanna build while paused XD 01:25:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i think it's fun to bypass a busy line while changing something 01:27:34 <Serriaromeo> i try to build bypasses in as i'm building the ml 01:27:56 <Serriaromeo> so i just have to switch a signal and i can work 01:28:00 <PandaMojo> I like complicated designs which are often hard or impossible to bypass easily :D 01:28:29 <Gonozal_VIII> where is the fun when everything works easy? 01:28:42 <Serriaromeo> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/wrinburg_transport_21st_jul_2060_135.png 01:28:49 <PandaMojo> They can be complicated to build too ;) 01:28:50 <Serriaromeo> that's my current game's ml 01:29:12 <PandaMojo> See, that's way too spread out for my tastes 01:29:27 <PandaMojo> I see all that wasted space and I'm like NOOOO 01:30:00 <Serriaromeo> yeah, it's spread out, but i like to have room to work with minal disruptions 01:30:10 <PandaMojo> And that's boring :P 01:30:38 <Serriaromeo> well it's my first attempt at a LPL RPR line. 01:31:12 <PandaMojo> I like to try to build into the terrian a lot too 01:31:16 <Gonozal_VIII> i try to build lines with a maximum signal distance of 2, full of trains that never stop or slow down from the beginning to the end 01:31:17 <PandaMojo> Instead of leveling 01:33:11 <Serriaromeo> i normaly do as well, but as i said i'm trying a new ml style 01:37:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:37:20 <PandaMojo> There we go. 01:37:24 <PandaMojo> Bloody ATI thing. 01:37:44 <PandaMojo> Even after killing the process it had CTRL+ALT+C disabled :( 01:37:51 <PandaMojo> All better now :) 01:39:19 <Serriaromeo> lol 01:39:39 <Serriaromeo> hey i guessed right, that's a grand total of 1 right and 1000 wrong for the month 01:39:45 <PandaMojo> :D 01:40:14 <PandaMojo> Time to go check the mail 01:44:30 <PandaMojo> bah 01:44:32 <PandaMojo> junk 01:45:23 <Irokenics> lotsa cheap medicine emails 01:45:50 <Gonozal_VIII> blue pills? 01:46:00 <scrooge> i prefere the red one.. 01:52:33 <Irokenics> which one did neo take 01:52:50 <scrooge> wasn't it the red? 01:53:16 <scrooge> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_red_pill 01:54:16 <scrooge> what does the "Show company liveries" option do? 01:54:26 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 01:54:27 <scrooge> i don't have a clue and i have to translate it.. 01:54:30 <Gonozal_VIII> ancient greeks had pills? 01:54:49 <scrooge> apparently.. 01:55:00 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [] 01:55:01 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 01:55:09 <Irokenics> red pill it is 01:55:27 *** Nigel__ is now known as Nigel_ 01:55:37 <scrooge> no one knows? 02:00:19 <Irokenics> liveries? 02:00:29 <Irokenics> i think where they live? like hq? lol 02:00:29 <scrooge> yes 02:00:35 <scrooge> hehe 02:00:36 <Irokenics> does the HQ do anything? lol 02:01:23 <Serriaromeo> liveries are the company colors 02:01:28 <Irokenics> best thing to do with competiters HQ is to build a train that runs constant around it, so they cant concentrate while ur train mocks them 02:02:01 <Serriaromeo> hq's generate passengers for the town they are placed in, i don't know of any other effect of them. 02:02:30 <scrooge> but what does this option do? 02:02:46 <scrooge> it doesn't affect the colors of things 02:02:55 <Irokenics> generate passengers? wow 02:03:01 <Irokenics> i never knew that 02:03:07 <scrooge> and mail! 02:03:07 <Irokenics> coz the computer always builds in open land 02:03:27 <Irokenics> i just put my hq in some big town, make it look cool 02:03:50 <scrooge> my friend used to build it on an island 02:03:53 <scrooge> 2x2 02:04:00 <scrooge> or a mountain... 02:04:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81639.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:18 <Irokenics> lol 02:04:34 <Serriaromeo> the option to show company liveries, will let you select if you want to see the new color system, to where you can have your trains one color and road vechicles a differnt color, instead of the basic single color that we had. 02:04:58 <Serriaromeo> you can select your company only, all companys or off if i remember correctly. 02:05:05 <scrooge> ooh, there's a new color system? 02:05:09 <scrooge> didn't know that... 02:05:13 <Gonozal_VIII> 2cc 02:05:19 <scrooge> i see 02:05:26 <Irokenics> i like all blue 02:05:40 <Gonozal_VIII> dark blue 02:06:00 <scrooge> wow, i don't play this game enaugh.. 02:06:09 <Serriaromeo> i like having my freight trains one color, and passenger a differnt color, it makes it easy to tell them apart. same for trucks and busses 02:06:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't use trucks and busses 02:06:34 <Irokenics> i just use the truck/plane/train/ship icons 02:06:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:06:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:06:57 <Irokenics> thank god in openttd u can build mutliple bus stops 02:07:01 <Irokenics> or truck stops 02:07:20 <Irokenics> no more bloody road vehicles clogging up into an asterix shape at a stop 02:08:18 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, and they even work now... but trucks are way too slow for long distances and i don't build short lines, so no busses/trucks for me 02:08:39 <Serriaromeo> well, they are great for feeding stuff into the train station. 02:09:19 <Irokenics> yerh thats wha ti use em for, feeding lol 02:09:37 <Irokenics> or to take excess passengers away 02:09:44 <Irokenics> or cargo in general lol 02:09:46 <Irokenics> like a rail bus 02:10:21 <Serriaromeo> i've tried a couple of games on small maps just using road vechicles, it takes for ever to get that loan paid off 02:10:40 <Irokenics> lol yerh 02:11:20 <Irokenics> its coz road vehicles carry less cargo then one train car and slower 02:11:31 <Gonozal_VIII> it's even harder when you use newgrf ford t and start in 1920 02:12:02 <Irokenics> i find ships profitable, but ass expensive in the begining 02:12:32 <Serriaromeo> i havent ever been able to show a profit with ships 02:12:48 <Irokenics> they're cash cows lol 02:13:01 <Irokenics> but u need like 3 or more running between ports to show a profit 02:13:05 <Irokenics> and to keep ratings 02:13:09 <Serriaromeo> and compared to a 3 tile train, they just can't produce the income 02:13:15 <Gonozal_VIII> everything can be profitable but i prefer to use the cargo in the most profitable possible way and that's fast transport over a long distance 02:13:35 <Irokenics> super britania map, ships is the bingo 02:13:36 <Irokenics> lol 02:13:49 <Serriaromeo> well, fastest transport is aircraft, but the cargo capicty is to small to really make money. 02:14:10 <Gonozal_VIII> trains are faster than planes in openttd 02:14:23 <Irokenics> and they dont crash as well 02:14:44 <scrooge> the seccond company color, is that just something in newgrf? 02:15:07 <Gonozal_VIII> a plane with 400 km/h ingame is about as fast as a train with 100 km/h 02:15:47 <Irokenics> u build planes coz you can lol, u get a point in the game where ur ridicously rich and want to expand your empire 02:16:02 <Gonozal_VIII> and airports are very ineffective 02:16:19 <Irokenics> mine have hordes of mail and no passengers 02:16:33 <Irokenics> and heliports have more passengers then town population -_- 02:24:09 <scrooge> another patch option i'm not getting is "Progress update interval" 02:24:48 <Gonozal_VIII> :S where is that? 02:24:57 <scrooge> under the patch option 02:25:18 <scrooge> Configure patches: Interface 02:25:39 <scrooge> it's in the nightlies 02:26:37 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... that's how long a tick lasts 02:27:06 <scrooge> hmm, so you can make the days longer that way? 02:27:49 <Gonozal_VIII> that or just use less cpu time 02:28:36 <Serriaromeo> the daylength patch in minin, will make the days a lot longer, can take up to 2+hrs for a year rt. 02:29:49 <scrooge> nice, got to try that.. 02:30:44 <Gonozal_VIII> ooook... no idea what that progress thing does... changed it from 200ms to 5s and don't see any difference 02:31:05 <scrooge> excacly, i'm lost.. 02:31:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B771B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:38 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37AE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:34:37 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-196-36.hive.is] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:37:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75158.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:05 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 03:29:50 <Serriaromeo> night all 03:49:44 *** Netsplit helium.oftc.net <-> strange.oftc.net quits: dariius, TheMask96, qfh, Empero 03:50:31 *** Netsplit over, joins: TheMask96, dariius, qfh, Empero 03:59:51 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19:49 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 04:30:37 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B771B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 04:38:18 <lws1984> Sacro! 04:38:32 <Sacro> lws1984! 04:41:29 <PandaMojo> ... was the station-reversing patch option configuration removed from trunk? 04:42:06 <PandaMojo> or am I being blind. 04:42:18 <Sacro> which patch? 04:43:10 <PandaMojo> The one where you could select between reversing at end of lines only, or stations too 04:43:20 <PandaMojo> (and I think there was a 3rd option) 04:43:38 <PandaMojo> Oh right, that's under difficulty 04:43:40 <PandaMojo> nevermind :P 04:43:47 <Sacro> lol 05:13:09 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 05:18:27 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 05:23:37 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Gnight.] 05:41:22 *** Irokenics [Irokenics@CPE-144-132-224-50.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 06:01:01 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-59-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:10:36 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:11:29 <lolman> Oh Yes!! =D 06:12:12 <Sacro> oh noes 06:12:53 * lolman was on about the F1 :P 06:13:55 <lolman> Oh and Vista RC2 is available for download too ;-) 06:18:15 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:28:43 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 06:37:51 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F347.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:01 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3E023.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:33 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 07:07:40 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:34 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:38:38 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387DB44.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387DB11.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:49 <Zaviori> PandaMojo, its in difficulty sietting 07:57:58 <Zaviori> Was hard to find :D 07:58:06 <Zaviori> settings 08:00:39 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:04:43 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6685 /trunk/depot_gui.c: -Fix (r6672): Hide the 'sell chain' panel instead of the horizontal scroll bar twice... 08:07:13 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 08:17:00 *** Twinsen__ [user@86.124.4.122] has joined #openttd 08:24:37 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-66.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:27:26 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:27:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:31:21 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-230-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:40:06 *** Serriaromeo [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:06 *** Serriaromeo_ [~Serriarom@mptc-69-152.mptelco.com] has joined #openttd 08:47:09 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6686 /trunk/lang/english.txt: -Fix r6684: Intro Date is now called Introduction Date 08:48:30 *** B-Minus [~B-Minus@eu85-10-87-163.adsl.euphonynet.be] has joined #openttd 08:48:45 <B-Minus> hey all 08:48:57 <B-Minus> is it possible to install new grafix ? 08:49:03 <B-Minus> i mean like new layouts 08:49:19 <Bjarni> you mean like new grf files? 08:49:40 <B-Minus> dunno im new to openttd but i played ttd a lot 08:49:54 <Bjarni> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/ 08:50:09 <B-Minus> tnx 08:50:16 <Bjarni> download the windows ones 08:50:23 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:40 <Bjarni> put the grf files in the data dir and add them to openttd.grf under [newgrf] 08:50:49 <Bjarni> you may have to add [newgrf] yourself 08:51:27 <B-Minus> i have to add them in openttd.grf ? 08:51:32 <B-Minus> oh ingame you mean 08:52:55 <Bjarni> no in the file called openttd.cfg 08:53:06 <Bjarni> it's a text file with game settings 08:53:28 <B-Minus> ic 08:53:28 <Bjarni> the ingame grf menu is not ready to be used yet 08:53:34 <B-Minus> ok 08:53:48 <B-Minus> but 08:53:55 <B-Minus> lets say i replace all vehicles 08:54:05 <B-Minus> what happens if i use 2 grf files 08:54:06 <B-Minus> ? 08:54:39 <Bjarni> then the order matters. If both files replace say EngineID 27, then it will be the last one, that adds an engine to the game 08:54:51 <B-Minus> ic 08:54:53 <Bjarni> it's common to use more than one set 08:55:08 <Bjarni> like new ships and new trains and new planes 08:55:13 <Bjarni> or something 08:56:10 <B-Minus> i see openttd.grf 08:56:12 <B-Minus> ah ok 08:56:14 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:56:39 <B-Minus> but i cant read it lol 09:01:11 <peter1138> openttd.cfg 09:01:17 <peter1138> bjarni had a braino :) 09:01:28 <peter1138> if you've got no openttd.cfg, then you've not run it yet 09:03:12 <B-Minus> i dont have openttd.cfg :s 09:03:18 <B-Minus> but i played the game already 09:03:26 <peter1138> ok 09:03:29 <B-Minus> oh 09:03:32 <B-Minus> its in another dir 09:03:34 <B-Minus> ok i have it 09:03:35 <peter1138> if you've got no openttd.cfg, then you've not run it yet, or it crashed 09:04:44 <B-Minus> i added this 09:04:44 <B-Minus> [newgrf] 09:04:44 <B-Minus> 4LVw.grf 09:04:47 <B-Minus> is that ok 09:04:50 <peter1138> yup 09:04:54 <B-Minus> great 09:04:59 <B-Minus> do i need to enable it somewhere 09:05:06 <peter1138> btw, i don't think that one works well in 0.4.8 09:05:11 <peter1138> no, just having it there will enable it 09:05:12 <B-Minus> oh 09:05:21 <peter1138> it works in the nightly versions 09:05:26 <peter1138> but they're not releases, heh 09:06:19 <B-Minus> hmmz 09:09:19 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2E6CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:21 *** jonty-comp [Jonty@88-107-59-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:51 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N807P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:20 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N944P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 09:16:21 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2E349.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:57 *** DisassembledDude [~Albert@cup-ip-nas-1-p120.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #openttd 09:21:56 *** DisassembledDude [~Albert@cup-ip-nas-1-p120.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #openttd [] 09:33:32 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EDA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:53 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:50:52 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:07:08 <hylje> ha 10:07:19 <hylje> we managed to get two trains of same number 10:07:24 <hylje> in ottdcoop 10:07:26 <Bjarni> how? 10:07:39 <hylje> xeryus says that he put autoreplace on 10:07:54 <hylje> and it yielded this 10:07:56 * Bjarni did that once, but fixed that bug in autoreplace 10:08:07 <peter1138> o_O 10:08:16 <peter1138> what version? ;) 10:08:20 <Bjarni> it should copy the number from the old vehicle 10:08:20 <hylje> r6668 10:08:28 * peter1138 wonders if the ottdcoop people use the min_players setting 10:08:35 <Bjarni> and since the old vehicle is sold, it should not happen 10:08:42 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:42 <hylje> the old vehicle was not sold either 10:08:56 <hylje> and the new vehicle didnt get the old vehicle cars 10:09:07 <hylje> so we have a lone loco running about 10:09:36 <Bjarni> then the issue is not the number, but the fact that it appears that the old one was not stopped or something and autoreplace went on anyway 10:09:48 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 10:10:09 <hylje> oh, the fact that the old vehicle was four locos itself 10:10:14 <hylje> might have caused this 10:11:07 <hylje> old vehicle was four 2-piece locos, after autoreplace we got three 2-piece locos and a detached loco 10:11:15 <hylje> both with same no 10:11:44 <Bjarni> hmm 10:11:56 <Bjarni> write a bug report so I will not forget this 10:12:16 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-132-63.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:18 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-132-63.vodafone-net.de] has quit [] 10:12:18 <eleusis> lol 10:12:23 <Bjarni> I think it's a clash of several conditions to trigger this 10:12:36 <Bjarni> and it's likely you found the only way to trigger this 10:12:43 <hylje> we 10:12:46 <eleusis> min_players setting? ottdcoop does pause the game if there are less than 2 players connected 10:12:57 <hylje> eleusis: autopilot tends to do that 10:13:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:14:13 <Wolf01> hi 10:14:26 <eleusis> hi 10:17:45 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:17:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:21:16 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:24:16 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-175-43.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 10:28:00 <Zaviori> eleusis, thats a feature of brianetta's autopilot :) 10:39:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-82-151.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 10:40:57 <CIA-1> miham * r6687 /trunk/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 10:40:57 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-08 12:40:12 10:40:57 <CIA-1> brazilian_portuguese - 6 fixed by tucalipe (6) 10:40:57 <CIA-1> german - 6 fixed by chu (6) 10:40:57 <CIA-1> hungarian - 6 fixed by miham (6) 10:40:57 <CIA-1> icelandic - 2 changed by scrooge (2) 10:40:57 <CIA-1> italian - 12 fixed by sidew (12) 10:41:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83F87.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 10:44:43 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6189.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:44 *** B-Minus [~B-Minus@eu85-10-87-163.adsl.euphonynet.be] has quit [] 10:54:21 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EDA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:13 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 11:05:44 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-59-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:47 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:09:49 <Darkvater> hmm, a bit laggy response, but peter1138 what was/is the problem with calcstringlen? 11:10:45 <peter1138> hmm? 11:11:40 <Darkvater> you said something about calcstringlen not returning proper length of something 11:11:52 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:11:54 * Darkvater seems to have lost that quote and is lazy to dig through the archives ;p 11:11:59 <lolman> Nooooo!!! 11:12:05 <lolman> RC2 broke Defcon!! 11:12:22 <peter1138> i did? 11:12:25 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 11:12:47 <Darkvater> fine 11:12:50 * Darkvater grumbles 11:12:51 * lolman reinstalls 11:13:18 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 11:13:44 <Darkvater> 307277:19:50 < peter1138> Darkvater: what's the point of SlCalcNetStringLen() ? 11:14:26 <Darkvater> 19:50 < peter1138> clearly it doesn't work in saveload descs 11:14:28 <SpComb> lolman: RC2? 11:15:59 <XeryusTC> hmm 11:16:06 * XeryusTC found a wrong window caption 11:16:11 *** JohnUK89 [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:16:16 <JohnUK89> That figures... 11:16:18 * XeryusTC prods a dev 11:16:43 * JohnUK89 kicks MS's drivers 11:16:54 * SpComb watches them collapse and JohnUK89 ping timeout 11:17:04 <JohnUK89> :P 11:17:13 <JohnUK89> lolman will be soon 11:17:24 <JohnUK89> (Well, will unless I ghost it) 11:17:32 <XeryusTC> Darkvater! you're here aren't you? 11:17:35 <MiHaMiX> afternoon 11:17:46 <Darkvater> no 11:17:49 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by JohnUK89))] 11:17:49 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: hi 11:17:52 *** JohnUK89 is now known as lolman 11:18:04 <XeryusTC> Darkvater: there is a wrong window caption 11:18:12 <MiHaMiX> could anyone provide me a link to the GRF files? 11:18:34 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: which one(s)? 11:18:47 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: the sample.cat and trg1?.grf 11:18:53 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: windows version 11:19:15 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: you know we can't do that ;) 11:19:36 *** ScrambledEggman [Eggman-UK-@88-111-32-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:19:49 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ... not even in pm? :) 11:20:04 <Darkvater> nop 11:20:19 <Darkvater> but a little bunny told me to have a look around on the tt-forums 11:20:55 <Darkvater> general transport tycoon section 11:21:10 <MiHaMiX> Darkvater: ok, found, thanks 11:21:57 <Darkvater> XeryusTC: which window? 11:22:13 <XeryusTC> Darkvater: the "Enter server password" window 11:22:20 <XeryusTC> it says "Enter company password" 11:23:53 <Darkvater> which window is that? 11:24:27 <XeryusTC> the one you get when you try to play on a passworded server 11:25:45 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-175-43.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 11:27:06 *** Twinsen__ [user@86.124.4.122] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 11:28:10 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:33:56 <mikk36> http://bilder.vgb.no/9667/img_44441d3f4764e.jpg 11:33:57 <mikk36> ;) 11:35:00 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35:05 <eleusis> hahahaha 11:37:01 <Jhs> lol! 11:37:23 <peter1138> Darkvater: ahhh 11:37:29 <peter1138> Darkvater: no matter, i don't need to now :) 11:37:55 <Darkvater> know or now? :) 11:38:06 <Darkvater> was just curious what the problem is/was 11:38:10 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 11:39:57 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:45:45 <Darkvater> gaaah 11:45:52 <Darkvater> I cannot debug anymore with gdb :s 11:46:06 <Darkvater> (gdb) run 11:46:06 <Darkvater> Starting program: /home/tfarago/openttd/openttd 11:46:06 <Darkvater> [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] 11:46:06 <Darkvater> [New Thread -1214646608 (LWP 8655)] 11:46:06 <Darkvater> MD5 of TRG1R.GRF is ****INCORRECT**** - File Corrupt. 11:46:08 <Darkvater> [New Thread -1216590944 (LWP 8658)] 11:46:11 <Darkvater> [New Thread -1226826848 (LWP 8659)] 11:46:14 <Darkvater> [Thread -1226826848 (LWP 8659) exited] 11:46:16 <Darkvater> thread_db_get_info: cannot get thread info: generic error 11:46:19 <Darkvater> and it just hangs 11:46:21 <Darkvater> goddammit 11:46:51 <eleusis> SIGINT or SIGSTOP it? 11:47:26 <Darkvater> duh, but I can't debug 11:47:39 <eleusis> :( 11:50:06 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 11:51:57 <Darkvater> GOD 11:52:03 * Darkvater slaps truelight pretty hard 11:54:00 * Darkvater unslaps truelight and slaps tron doubly 11:54:24 <MiHaMiX> lol 11:54:25 <MiHaMiX> :DDD 11:54:50 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r6688 /trunk/network_gui.c: -Fix (r6297): Wrong caption for server password query window (eg put 'break' after switch statements) 11:54:52 <Darkvater> thanks XeryusTC 11:55:02 <XeryusTC> np :) 11:55:47 <Darkvater> I've found this really cool vista font: Consolas....looks oh so damn sexy :D 11:56:13 <XeryusTC> it sounds like some hacker font :P 11:57:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75892.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:22 <eleusis> screenshot or it's not true 11:58:23 *** smeding_ [~roysmedin@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: You have the urge to do some accounting...] 11:58:41 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:09 <roboman> id trust the devs 12:01:29 <eleusis> which devs? 12:02:10 <Darkvater> Please choose a password different from your UNIX password. 12:02:12 <Darkvater> eh 12:02:19 <Darkvater> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/design/ClearType.html 12:02:23 <roboman> DV 12:06:34 *** KiNnaZ [kinnaz@212.7.5.140] has joined #openttd 12:06:42 <KiNnaZ> hi, how can i destroy company 12:06:44 *** Rens2Doom is now known as Rens2Sea 12:06:47 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2EveOnline 12:06:49 <eleusis> can't see a screenshot of consolas :( 12:07:21 <KiNnaZ> anyone ? 12:07:23 <Darkvater> wikipedia? 12:07:31 <KiNnaZ> how can i destroy firm ? 12:07:53 <roboman> i saw it 12:10:12 *** jonty-comp [~Jonty@88-107-59-75.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:33 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-241-209.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 12:12:46 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 12:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> !logs 12:15:53 <peter1138> consolas sucks when not in window 12:15:54 <peter1138> +s 12:16:22 <Darkvater> peter1138: looks great in KDevelop 12:16:27 <peter1138> hmm 12:17:27 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:18:20 <peter1138> i use it with visual studio 12:19:05 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/consolas.png 12:19:34 <peter1138> ah, you have hinting disabled 12:19:52 <Darkvater> I do? 12:19:59 <peter1138> looks like it 12:20:08 <Darkvater> where can I see? 12:20:38 <Darkvater> I have hinting style 'medium' in kde control centre if that's what it is 12:21:55 <peter1138> ah, i guess that's it 12:22:05 <peter1138> the slight/medium/full options never used to vary for me 12:22:07 <peter1138> they do now 12:22:28 <hylje> oo, kdevelop supports python 12:22:34 <hylje> i got to try it out 12:23:01 <peter1138> yeah, it looks a lot better with medium hinting than full 12:24:09 <Darkvater> yeah 12:24:13 * Darkvater is pretty satisfied 12:24:44 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176126077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:26:26 <mikk36> Darkvater, 1280x1024+720x400 ? :P 12:26:58 <Darkvater> 720x576 12:27:18 <Darkvater> can't be bothered to unhook the s-video cable and restart X ;p 12:27:23 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:36 <peter1138> hmm, now, kdevelop... 12:27:45 <peter1138> last time i tried that all the lookups made it slow :( 12:27:54 <Darkvater> kdevelop is still crap 12:27:59 <peter1138> :( 12:28:03 <peter1138> so why are you using it? heh 12:28:11 <Darkvater> it crashes/hangs on me every time I try to do code completion 12:28:24 <hylje> :o 12:28:32 <Darkvater> eh...I'm not..just wanted to debug this bug above I solved, but failed with that as well 12:28:33 <hylje> at least theres still gvim 12:28:35 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:28:49 <peter1138> Well, anjuta can't even import... 12:28:53 <peter1138> maybe i'm missing stuff 12:29:00 <Darkvater> KDevelop is pretty stupid though. it has this option of 'autocomplete brackets' 12:29:19 <peter1138> lol 12:29:20 <Darkvater> eg if you type 'if (' it automatically closes it with ')' 12:29:29 <Darkvater> ok that's all good and well, but they managed to fuck it up 12:29:30 <peter1138> /usr/bin/create_global_tags.sh: 3: function: not found 12:29:32 <peter1138> line 3: 12:29:34 <peter1138> function anjuta_tags { 12:29:44 <Sacro> Darkvater: autocomplete brackets are nice when done properley, eclipse can handle it 12:30:11 <Darkvater> in Eclipse, where it works normally, pressing an enter goes after ) and when you type ) it recognizes you want to CLOSE the opening bracket and not add another one 12:30:14 <Darkvater> Sacro: yes 12:30:22 <ln-> anjuta is not really suitable for anything serious, unfortunately. 12:30:24 <Darkvater> kdev is gay 12:30:53 * Darkvater is waiting for WINE to support .NET to be able to run vs2005 on linux ;p 12:31:03 <lolman> lmao 12:31:07 <peter1138> or mono :D 12:31:20 <Darkvater> well anything that lets me run it :) 12:31:29 <Darkvater> I think VS6 works but...brr 12:31:55 <hylje> i think wine is working on implementing the windows libraries for mono 12:32:02 <Darkvater> and eclipse is just horribly slow :( 12:32:10 <hylje> mm.. java 12:32:34 <peter1138> ouch 12:32:37 <peter1138> root@ubuntu:~ # apt-get install eclipse-cdt 12:32:41 <peter1138> After unpacking 124MB of additional disk space will be used. 12:32:45 <peter1138> i think not 12:32:46 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:49 <Darkvater> why!!! why!! 12:32:54 <Sacro> peter1138: ouch 12:32:56 <ln-> i particularly like the feature of anjuta that it leaks memory which cannot be freed without restarting the whole X. 12:32:58 <Darkvater> I hate eclipse so much 12:33:07 * eleusis uses scite 12:33:15 <Sacro> i love PHPEclipse 12:33:19 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:33:21 <hylje> vim!! 12:33:32 <Darkvater> VS2005!! 12:33:44 <Darkvater> ok, 2003 is good as well 12:33:45 <lolman> SciTE!! 12:33:46 <peter1138> yes, vs2005 12:33:48 <lolman> :P 12:34:40 <Darkvater> I just love the feature of 2k5 that you can 'browse' up and down the calling hierarchy in editing mode, just click on function and you see all functions that call it and can quickly browse there 12:35:11 <Darkvater> only thing I've found so far to be better than 2003 12:35:17 <Darkvater> for C/C++ 12:36:06 <Sacro> Darkvater: oooh, i can see that being very useful 12:38:15 <Darkvater> plus VS2005 has a <project>.user.project file which can hold local settings in XML format. Works just great with a versioning system 12:38:17 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:27 <Darkvater> VS2003 had this same info in an unreadable binary file :s 12:40:15 <hylje> they want you to use the MS versioning system 12:40:16 <hylje> ! 12:41:14 * lolman got his Hackintosh working :-D 12:48:11 <Born_Acorn> I hate Macintoshes. 12:48:34 <Born_Acorn> They aren't very thick and get me cold in the winter. :( 12:49:52 <lolman> lol 12:50:09 <lolman> I failed to mention my Hackintosh is an AMD ;-) 12:56:27 <roboman> whats the quiktime extension 12:57:40 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:01:55 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 13:04:15 <Darkvater> .qt 13:04:17 <Darkvater> .mov 13:05:22 <Torm> any vmware experts here? the peeps in the vmware channel suck 13:05:31 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-156-50.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:44 <Darkvater> what's the prob? 13:05:52 <Darkvater> (no expert by any means, but has it running) 13:06:09 <Torm> why, when browsing files on my linux host from my windows virtual machine, is the connection PAINFULLY slow? took 2 minutes to copy 4mb... 13:06:27 <hylje> Torm: what did you use to copy 13:06:29 <Torm> browsing other computers from within the VM is no prob... full speed... just the host 13:06:46 <Darkvater> let's see 13:06:47 <Torm> windows networking from the VM, browsing a samba share 13:07:00 <hylje> samba is slow with default settings 13:07:21 <Darkvater> so local win-vm <> linux? 13:08:00 <Torm> Darkvater: yup... linux is the host (ubuntu) and the share is samba... windows xp pro is running inside vm-player... 13:08:31 <Darkvater> and the samba share is running on another linux host? 13:08:41 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 13:08:51 <Darkvater> oh, wait get it 13:09:11 <Darkvater> nop, is pretty fast for me 13:09:18 <Torm> hmm... 13:09:20 <Darkvater> 30MB in 4-5 seconds 13:09:27 <Torm> u got a similar setup? 13:09:28 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-196-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 13:09:28 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 13:09:31 <Torm> browsing a share on the host os? 13:09:39 <Darkvater> you can of course use vmware tools to map a directory to your VM 13:10:02 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 13:10:09 <Darkvater> I started XP vmware client, then connected to \arrakis\public which is a samba share on my suse 10.1 13:10:36 <Torm> hylje: when you say samba is slow with default settings, what do you mean? 13:11:14 <Darkvater> samba isn't slow for me, never was and I haven't changed any settings 13:11:21 <Darkvater> getting 8-9MB/s between clients 13:11:44 <Darkvater> aaah sweeet...logitech support is nice 13:12:04 <Darkvater> they're sending me a new receiver for my MX1000 mouse free of charge and I don't even have to send back the old one :) 13:12:22 <Torm> nice :) what was wrong with the old one? 13:12:54 <Torm> ergh... 93 minutes remaining on a 175mb video file 13:13:39 <Darkvater> the cursor jumps around like on crack occasionally when connected through USB 13:14:22 <Darkvater> http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/logitech_en_amr.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1745&p_created=1099690788&p_sid=mW1zWAji&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=1745&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PWRmbHQmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTEzOSZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX25sJnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9ZXJyYXRpYyBteCAxMDAw&p_li=&p_topview=1 13:14:28 <Darkvater> eek 13:14:35 <Torm> heh, that'd be a bitch when ingame... hell.. be a bitch out of game too :S 13:14:49 <Darkvater> they first wanted to get rid of me by saying to just install Setpoint 13:15:06 <Darkvater> but I retorted? by saying I have Linux and you don't have SetPoint for Linux :D 13:15:09 <Darkvater> suits them right 13:15:45 <hylje> its cheaper to provide new hardware than to develop and maintain linux software 13:15:51 <hylje> and logitech software generally sux 13:16:00 <Torm> that it does 13:18:45 <Torm> Darkvater: you using bridged, NAT or host only networking between host and vm? 13:19:19 <Darkvater> bridged 13:19:21 <Darkvater> easiest 13:20:23 <Torm> mm 13:20:39 <Torm> and u using the intel or the amd "card" 13:20:41 <Torm> ? 13:21:14 <Darkvater> where do I see that? 13:21:14 <Torm> network card that is 13:21:33 <Torm> in the VM under device manager, look at the network card 13:21:44 <Darkvater> ah so I have to boot it:) 13:22:04 *** Nebukadneza [~daddel9@i3ED6F376.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:22:07 <Nebukadneza> heyho 13:22:13 <Darkvater> he 13:22:28 <Torm> haha yes... do it now! :P 13:22:31 <Nebukadneza> i got some problems with openttd and music on gentoo ... i followed the instructions printed by the ebuild (set some useflags, copied the *.gm files over, etc.) 13:22:34 <Darkvater> boot window says: AMD Am797c970a 13:22:43 <Darkvater> so it's amd I think 13:22:59 <Torm> aight, thanks for the info so far... got a theory... bbs :) 13:22:59 <Nebukadneza> a few weeks ago when a friend of mine showed me openttd the first time i got it to work with a few hours of solution-searching ... but it seems as i've forgot how i did it 13:23:12 <Nebukadneza> so - i started the timidity server and tried openttd -m extmidi 13:23:15 <Nebukadneza> which doesnt work :( 13:25:12 <Darkvater> I gave up on timidity a long tim ago..sucks too much :s 13:25:24 <Nebukadneza> i had it working though :P 13:26:21 <peter1138> i think most people just use a standalone player 13:27:02 <Darkvater> Nebukadneza: does timidity <gm-file> work? 13:27:04 <Gonozal_VIII> midi music is crap 13:27:18 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 13:27:29 <Nebukadneza> Darkvater: workls 13:27:31 <Nebukadneza> s/l//g 13:27:45 <Nebukadneza> Gonozal_VIII: its fun :P 13:27:53 <Gonozal_VIII> fun? 13:28:00 <Nebukadneza> midi is fun 13:28:05 <Sacro> should use mod instead 13:28:06 <Nebukadneza> its so nice oldscool 13:28:18 <Darkvater> I never had to start a 'timidity server' though 13:29:11 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [] 13:30:01 <Sacro> i <3 ttd music 13:31:14 <Sacro> oh wow, it faded out as futurama faded in 13:31:53 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:31:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:41:58 <Torm> Darkvater: solved it by pulling out my intel gigabit card from the back of my machine, and reverting back to the on board broadcom network card... 13:42:06 <Torm> strange problem 13:43:06 <Darkvater> :O 13:52:42 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 13:53:23 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:39 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:52 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:57:37 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 13:59:18 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:00 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2AFK 14:01:23 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:06:55 *** UserErr0r [UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [] 14:11:47 *** UserErr0r [~UserErr0r@c-67-186-212-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:07 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:23:15 <Sacro> oh noes 14:24:33 <peter1138> no? 14:24:33 <Nebukadneza> hm? 14:24:40 <lolman> Oh Yes 14:24:42 <lolman> :P 14:24:59 <Sacro> lolman: are you the churchill dog? 14:25:24 <lolman> Wish I was 14:29:15 <lolman> Sacro, I got my Hackintosh fired up this morning :) 14:29:20 <lolman> Just before the F1 14:29:20 <lolman> lol 14:30:35 <lolman> Even though it's using VESA drivers it's performing rather well 14:42:58 <Sacro> lolman: nice, that early? 14:43:04 <lolman> Yeah 14:44:14 * lolman was especially proud he remembered to install the AMD patches 14:48:25 <Sacro> lolman: all that before 5am 14:48:31 <lolman> yup :) 14:48:49 <Sacro> heh, ferrari go BOOM :D 14:48:53 <lolman> =D 14:49:08 <lolman> Bout time :P 14:49:16 <Sacro> yeah, been about 5 years 14:49:28 <Sacro> and even then it was a good few years till the one before 14:49:33 <lolman> Yep 14:49:53 <Sacro> heh, flavio is ace 14:50:00 <lolman> Oh yes :-D 14:50:09 <lolman> Always manages to pull something out the bag 14:50:40 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176126077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 14:51:53 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:11 <lolman> No net access on me Hackintosh tho :-\ 14:53:26 <Sacro> oh dear 14:53:32 <Sacro> mmm, japanese pit babes 14:53:38 <lolman> lol 14:56:17 * lolman has just downloaded MacVidia drivers lol 15:04:56 *** lolman [~admin@cpc2-leds2-0-0-cust888.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 15:07:45 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N944P010.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [] 15:11:58 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37AE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 15:14:10 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37AE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:05 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 15:27:38 *** Nebukadneza [~daddel9@i3ED6F376.versanet.de] has left #openttd [] 15:30:13 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 15:35:08 *** Nebukadneza [~daddel9@i3ED6F376.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:35:09 <Nebukadneza> re 15:49:07 *** Rens2AFK is now known as Rens2Sea 15:52:11 * Sionide prods GoneWacko 15:57:36 *** Torm [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: adios!] 15:58:18 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 15:59:36 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:00:50 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 16:13:40 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 16:14:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host211-232-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:37:30 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:04 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-147186.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #openttd 16:47:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host211-232-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:35 *** ttj [~tjorri@kosh.hut.fi] has joined #openttd 17:02:42 *** eleusis [~eleusis@l2-202-89-174-73.arach.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:01 *** eleusis [~eleusis@l2-202-89-174-73.arach.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:05:06 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:28 *** xyz [~ss@MTL-ppp-147186.qc.sympatico.ca] has left #openttd [] 17:16:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host118-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:16:44 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:16:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:17:25 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-196-36.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:01 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:49 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 17:34:08 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 17:34:18 <MeusH> hi 17:35:29 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:38:27 <MeusH> seems I can't refit wagons 17:38:45 <MeusH> but I'll update OpenTTD to the newest revision and see if it's fixed 17:41:33 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:34 *** smartman_ [~sdfsdf@85.187.125.155] has joined #openttd 17:42:35 <smartman_> anybody with experience in online education and online degrees ? 17:44:23 <GoneWacko> D: 17:44:31 * GoneWacko is prodded 2 hours ago 17:45:17 <smartman_> nobody ? 17:45:45 *** Rens2Doom is now known as Rens2EveOnline 17:56:11 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6689 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt vehicle_gui.c): 17:56:11 <CIA-1> -Fix: corrected vehicle type in tooltip for the list in the refit window 17:56:11 <CIA-1> This was actually not a bug from unifying this window as it was incorrect even before they were merged 17:58:42 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 17:59:54 *** KUDr_wrk [~KUDr@195.39.113.200] has joined #openttd 18:03:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:06:02 *** Nigel is now known as Nigel_ 18:06:38 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel[CPI] 18:07:35 *** Nigel[CPI] is now known as Nigel_ 18:08:22 *** Nigel_ is now known as NigelJ 18:09:23 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:11:06 *** NigelJ is now known as Nigel_ 18:11:33 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 18:14:40 <Nigel> errr, sorry about that guys ;) 18:18:26 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:43 *** ScrambledEggman [Eggman-UK-@88-111-32-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Bai2u] 18:22:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:23:16 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:23:52 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176126077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:03 <MeusH> "sell whole train" button has wrong catchement area 18:27:22 <MeusH> If I drag a wagon to a lower part of the button, it doesn't get "clicked" 18:27:23 *** Eggman891 [Eggman-UK-@88-111-32-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:27:33 <MeusH> however, If I drag it right over image, wagons get sold 18:28:52 <MeusH> next problem: wagon refit and Tropic Refurbishment Set 18:29:04 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc1-norw5-0-0-cust493.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:38 <MeusH> I can't get Oil Tanker/Box Car to refit to e.g. rubber 18:29:49 <MeusH> the list of refitable cargoes is ok 18:30:24 <MeusH> but when highlighting certain items, no strings are displayed under the list (new capacity+cost) 18:30:58 <MeusH> also, when highlighting "food" when refitting a box car, there are strange things with the string 18:31:32 <MeusH> and no strings are being displayed in next cargoes of the wago and all next wagons 18:31:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... try a revision before the livery refit stuff? 18:31:59 <MeusH> I remember it was working before... 18:32:14 <MeusH> can you estimate what revision was livery refit, please? 18:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ugh... i don't think so 18:33:06 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-149-160.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:12 <Eddi|zuHause> !openttd log 6602 18:36:14 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause: r6602 log: - Feature: we now support NewGRF livery refits, as used by DBsetXL, amongst others. This requires a savegame bump to save the cargo subtype. 18:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> try that one 18:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> back to watching NCIS 18:37:48 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> hydrogen.oftc.net quits: Eggman891, _42_, izhirahider 18:39:18 *** Netsplit over, joins: _42_ 18:41:23 *** Eggman891 [Eggman-UK-@88-111-32-185.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:38 <MeusH> thanks Eddi|zuHause 18:43:04 *** izhirahider [~izhirahid@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:51 *** smartman_ [~sdfsdf@85.187.125.155] has quit [] 18:44:31 <MeusH> r5866 is allright 18:45:39 <MeusH> peter1138, a bug! 18:45:50 <MeusH> awaken, beast! there is a bug 18:47:38 <Bjarni> looking at the bug statistics lately, it's most likely a user error 18:51:48 <peter1138> never 18:51:51 <peter1138> there are no bugs 18:53:10 <MeusH> so is this a bug in Tropic Refurbishment Set? 18:53:24 <MeusH> well, it's okay in TTDPatch... 18:59:12 <hylje> openttd: bridge_map.h:114: GetRoadBitsUnderBridge: Assertion `GetTransportTypeUnderBridge(t) == TRANSPORT_ROAD' failed. 19:00:21 <hylje> when removing a certain part of road 19:04:47 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: g2g, cya!] 19:06:16 <hylje> more accurately a road part which is next to a bridge which has rail piece on it 19:06:39 <hylje> -|= 19:06:47 <hylje> where | is bridge over =rail 19:07:35 <hylje> removing the = from under the bridge lets me remove the road piece fine 19:08:59 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 19:10:12 <Born_Acorn> -|=-/£4!334$(38402")(*$)"&$ = HQ next to a farm next to a small town next to a Power Station adjoining a station next to a factory next to the bridge over rail next to the bridge. 19:10:13 <Born_Acorn> Yes. 19:10:26 <hylje> :D 19:10:34 <hylje> im too lazy to take screenies 19:10:37 <Born_Acorn> :p 19:10:48 <hylje> when a simple ascii diagram will do 19:13:20 <glx> hylje: I can't reproduce 19:13:57 <hylje> linux 19:14:21 <hylje> ill try reproducing it in a clean room 19:15:34 <hylje> the road has to be town-owned 19:18:03 <glx> ok I got the assert 19:18:05 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:40 *** Nebukadneza [~daddel9@i3ED6F376.versanet.de] has left #openttd [] 19:20:20 <glx> hylje: it's a nice bug in accessors :) 19:21:47 <Wolf01|AWAY> 'night all 19:21:48 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host118-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 19:21:52 <hylje> and we *still* have the queue crash 19:28:58 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6690 /trunk/vehicle_gui.c: - Fix (r6602): Translate global to per-climate cargo ids before... doing anything with them. (Thanks to MeusH for pointing this out...) 19:29:57 <peter1138> MeusH: works now ;p 19:31:04 <CIA-1> glx * r6691 /trunk/road_map.c: -Fix r3907: check the transport type under the bridge when you want to get the road bits under a bridge (thanx hylje) 19:31:54 <Born_Acorn> Wow. 19:32:00 <Born_Acorn> Aren't we efficient today! :p 19:32:06 <hylje> bug hunting! 19:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause> unpleasant antifeatures hunting 19:33:32 *** TinoDidri is now known as Jezral 19:43:40 <CIA-1> miham * r6692 /trunk/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 19:43:40 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-10-08 21:42:47 19:43:40 <CIA-1> american - 12 fixed by WhiteRabbit (12) 19:43:40 <CIA-1> danish - 7 fixed by ThomasA (7) 19:43:40 <CIA-1> dutch - 12 fixed by webfreakz (8), habell (4) 19:43:41 <CIA-1> estonian - 13 fixed, 2 changed by vermon (15) 19:43:41 <CIA-1> french - 6 fixed by belugas (6) 19:50:15 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6693 /trunk/ship_gui.c: -Fix: [ship view window] disable the refit button when the ship is not refitable or not stopped in a depot 19:50:21 <PandaMojo> !seen Celestar 19:50:22 <_42_> PandaMojo, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 4 weeks 5 days 8 hours 42 minutes ago (05.09. 11:08) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 37 minutes there. 19:50:28 <PandaMojo> !seen KUDr 19:50:28 <_42_> PandaMojo, if you can't see KUDr here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ 19:50:38 <PandaMojo> !seen glasses 19:50:40 <_42_> PandaMojo, I don't remember seeing glasses. 19:51:43 <KUDr> hmm 19:54:27 <hylje> the glasses 19:54:30 <hylje> they do nothing 19:54:34 <PandaMojo> D: 19:54:36 <hylje> s/glasses/goggles/ 19:55:02 <PandaMojo> Just gaging activity. Based on this, my bugfix will never be accepted, PBS will probably happen eventually, and I'm blind as a bat :D 19:55:23 <Bjarni> hmm 19:55:25 <Bjarni> bugfix? 19:55:51 <PandaMojo> Bjarni: The transfering @ station issue from a month or two back that has the task assigned to Celestar 19:56:03 <Bjarni> oh yeah 19:56:09 <Bjarni> !seen celestar 19:56:10 <_42_> Bjarni, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd 4 weeks 5 days 8 hours 47 minutes ago (05.09. 11:08) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 37 minutes there. 19:56:16 <Bjarni> not good 19:56:20 <PandaMojo> Nope. 19:56:22 <PandaMojo> Not at all. 19:56:43 <Sacro> he was on yesterday for about 30 seconds 19:56:53 <PandaMojo> So _42_ is lying to me? 19:56:55 <PandaMojo> :( 19:57:10 <Bjarni> we all do 19:57:13 <Bjarni> oops 19:57:18 <PandaMojo> :D 19:57:30 <Sacro> no, sorry, that was truelight 19:58:05 <PandaMojo> Ahh. 20:01:15 <peter1138> truelight lies to us all? 20:01:22 <Darkvater> it's his bot ;) 20:08:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:29 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:10:32 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:56 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176101042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:16:42 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176126077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:45 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:27:30 <MeusH> thanks peter1138, now I can conquer tropics 20:27:39 <MeusH> Darkvater, let's measure! 20:28:05 <Eddi|zuHause> mine's longer... 20:28:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (the nick, you sickos) 20:29:50 <hylje> did you mean: konquer 20:30:04 <MeusH> no, I meant conquer :o 20:31:05 *** Zr40_ [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:55 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:10 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 20:42:21 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:58 *** Rens2EveOnline is now known as Rens2Sea 20:47:00 *** scrooge [~balli@dsl-196-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 20:52:48 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-087-94-050-66.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 20:54:36 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6694 /trunk/ (order.h order_cmd.c): 20:54:36 <CIA-1> -Fix: FS#361 Refit-to Order bug (only one of the two bugs mentioned there) 20:54:36 <CIA-1> -Now refit orders are copied when copying orders 20:54:36 <CIA-1> -Fixed an initilation issue where CT_INVALID was used instead of CT_NO_REFIT (resulted in crashes in the order window) 20:54:36 <CIA-1> -Fixed a compiler warning in the function to load TTD savegames 20:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is an "initilation"? ;) 20:55:18 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:55:55 <hylje> initialisation mayb 20:57:20 <Bjarni> somebody who will remain nameless (but appears to be born in the year 1138) decided to use CT_INVALID as default value while the code uses CT_NO_REFIT everywhere else 20:58:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EDA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:19 <Bjarni> since those two values aren't the same, it read CT_INVALID as a valid cargo type and crashes when trying to print the string belonging to it 20:58:22 <Bjarni> go figure :) 20:58:26 <Bjarni> cargo number 255 20:58:40 <Bjarni> that was the issue ;) 20:59:26 <peter1138> me? 20:59:45 <peter1138> wasn't my commit 21:00:04 <peter1138> besides, it's CT_INVALID everywhere else, except where you decided we needed CT_SOMETHING_ELSE 21:00:40 <CIA-1> glx * r6695 /trunk/main_gui.c: -Fix FS#356: disable main toolbar buttons showing company list drop downs when there are no companies 21:00:51 <Bjarni> hmm 21:01:10 <Bjarni> ok, then *somebody* decided to start using CT_INVALID 21:01:54 <Darkvater> 23:00 < peter1138> besides, it's CT_INVALID everywhere else 21:01:56 *** Zr40_ [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:02 <Darkvater> I think you decided to use CT_NO_REFIT 21:02:05 <Darkvater> Bjarni: ^ 21:02:18 <Bjarni> not that it matters much because now I decided to change the check to see if the cargoID is lower than NUM_CARGO instead. Should protect against any future mistakes 21:02:47 <Bjarni> Darkvater: yeah, but after I added that new variable, somebody else decided to start to assign CT_INVALID to it 21:03:05 <Bjarni> but it's not important 21:03:15 <Darkvater> well that happens if you start changing stuff all by yourself without telling anyone else now doesn't it? 21:03:33 <Bjarni> I didn't invent CT_NO_REFIT for this task 21:03:46 <Bjarni> it have been in openttd.h for a while 21:03:47 <peter1138> Darkvater: http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/5.png 21:03:58 <peter1138> (although the button position sucks) 21:04:14 <Darkvater> hmm 21:04:23 <peter1138> (it now shows the grf name instead of the filename in the list) 21:04:23 <Darkvater> that gui needs some work ;) 21:04:38 <Darkvater> you really think it needs a matrix-list? 21:04:49 <peter1138> it needs a list of some sort ;p 21:05:08 <Darkvater> eh wait, it's the list of loaded files, isn't it? 21:05:10 <peter1138> yes 21:05:24 <peter1138> you're thinking of: http://fuzzle.org/o/grfgui/7.png 21:05:37 <peter1138> i think 21:05:51 <Darkvater> yes 21:06:02 <Darkvater> does that do file-browsing? 21:06:05 <peter1138> no 21:06:20 <peter1138> it does, file scanning 21:06:25 <Darkvater> :) 21:06:28 <peter1138> Remove is actually Rescan 21:06:35 <peter1138> but i was too lazy to add the text 21:07:03 <peter1138> not sure if this is totally workable 21:07:09 <peter1138> well, actually, it works fine 21:07:24 <Darkvater> hmm I think the parameters thingie is too much, eg too dummylike 21:07:52 <peter1138> but it scans the data folder on start up which could take a while 21:08:02 <Darkvater> I would prefer just a single line more with all the parameters seperated by ',' or ' ' 21:08:19 <peter1138> hmm 21:08:22 <peter1138> doable 21:08:22 <Darkvater> eg instead of the whole list at the bottom which doesn't really look appealing 21:08:26 <peter1138> no, it doesn't 21:08:29 <Darkvater> yes, it is less dummy-friendly 21:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe a string "Parameters: <string>" and a [Change] button 21:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> opening another window 21:09:30 <Darkvater> I think the old newgrf window was not that bad. Add the control buttons on the top there (move up/down, etc.), show the parameters list at the bottom and have the button there 21:09:31 <peter1138> well it could just be a query box 21:09:52 <Darkvater> or just a simple edittext box, not even a popup 21:09:58 <Darkvater> like the 'username' is for MP 21:10:05 <peter1138> that's more work ;) 21:10:20 <Darkvater> then string + query 21:10:26 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6696 /trunk/ (order_gui.c vehicle.c): 21:10:26 <CIA-1> -Codechange: changed all comparision for refit cargo in orders against CT_NO_REFIT to checks for valid cargo IDs 21:10:26 <CIA-1> This should prevent any bugs made by mixing up CT_NO_REFIT and CT_INVALID 21:11:00 *** chu_ [~chu@chu.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #openttd [] 21:11:02 <peter1138> Darkvater: i never really knew how those buttons were intended to work :) 21:11:12 *** Trenskow^ [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 21:11:38 <peter1138> Darkvater: anyway, the main this is: this information is saved in the savegame, it selects the correct grfs when loading the savegame, and it passes the list around via the server browser 21:11:50 <peter1138> so we can tell before hand if you can play 21:12:07 <Darkvater> hmm never would've guessed :P 21:12:19 <peter1138> good job i said then 21:12:20 <peter1138> ;p 21:12:27 <Darkvater> definitely 21:12:38 <peter1138> you can never tell whats going on around here 21:12:44 <peter1138> or more usually, *not* going on 21:12:47 <Bjarni> so basically you are saying that we should just put every single grf file in there and we can join any server nomatter what grf sets they use? 21:12:56 <Darkvater> you know bjarni 21:12:58 <Darkvater> if (!(o->refit_cargo < NUM_CARGO)) continue; << 21:13:05 <peter1138> lol 21:13:06 <Darkvater> if o->refit_cargo >= NUM_CARGO 21:13:26 <Bjarni> yeah :) 21:13:30 <Darkvater> donnu what kind of twisted boolean operator you have up there but you sure do some weird comparisons 21:14:00 <Bjarni> actually I wondered about writing a static inline function to do that check 21:14:15 <Bjarni> since it would make it easier to add more cargo types in the future 21:14:29 <Bjarni> and make the check dependant on climate or whatever 21:15:01 <peter1138> if there are more cargo types, NUM_CARGO will be higher... 21:15:13 <Bjarni> I know 21:15:26 <Bjarni> but say we decide to make the check dependant on active climate 21:15:46 <Bjarni> since all climates should not be forced to have the same number of cargos 21:16:18 * Bjarni would hate making up twisted cargo types for toyland to add cargo types to the other climates 21:16:31 <peter1138> who plays toyland anyway 21:17:03 <Bjarni> not long ago, I got a bug report with a toyland savegame 21:17:48 <Darkvater> peter1138: perhaps put the parameter list below 'filename' 21:17:51 <Darkvater> if you're going that way 21:18:55 <hylje> toyland ::> 21:19:02 <Darkvater> peter1138: also, in the filelist I don't think it needs a leading '/'. 21:19:24 <Darkvater> 1. confusing (for windows) 2. makes you think the path is non-relative 21:19:38 <Darkvater> gui5.png 21:19:45 <peter1138> yup 21:20:08 <Darkvater> also not entirely sure about the file-list. should it show filename or grf-name... 21:20:22 <Darkvater> eg you got in the example screen twice 'Japan Set' 21:20:30 <peter1138> possibly 21:20:33 <Darkvater> you don't know which one is which 21:20:42 <peter1138> but jpsetw_121.grf and jpsetw_235.grf ... 21:20:44 <peter1138> not much better 21:20:45 <Darkvater> on the other hand: they're much more verbal than just the filenames 21:21:06 <Darkvater> yeah 21:21:07 <hylje> maybe a toggle 21:21:13 <Darkvater> gui7.png: what is the 'add' button? 21:21:19 <hylje> for the ambiguous 21:21:21 <Darkvater> 'remove' is 'refresh' 21:21:23 <peter1138> adds the grf to your selection 21:21:37 <peter1138> as i said, too lazy to add better text ;) 21:21:51 <peter1138> plus that damn english.txt full recompile... 21:22:38 <hylje> ha 21:22:46 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:06 <Darkvater> peter1138: it only works with subdirs of data/ right? 21:23:10 <peter1138> yes 21:23:16 <Darkvater> [newgrf] 21:23:17 <Darkvater> ../../ussetw.grf 21:23:18 <Darkvater> ;p 21:23:20 <Darkvater> won't work 21:23:30 <peter1138> well... it will 21:23:31 <hylje> why not 21:23:44 <peter1138> but ..h mm. 21:23:46 <Darkvater> it won't cause it's outside of the openttd dir 21:23:47 <peter1138> who does that? 21:24:04 * Darkvater just did to annoy you :P 21:24:25 <hylje> well 21:24:36 <hylje> you cant estimate the stupidity of users 21:24:56 <Darkvater> we'll just call it a feature :) 21:24:57 <Sacro> teehee 21:25:18 <Darkvater> now where was I? 21:25:21 <Darkvater> ah yes, reboot 21:25:22 <Darkvater> brb 21:26:07 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-241-209.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 21:28:50 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:30:01 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:25 <Sacro> lws1984! 21:31:18 <lws1984> Sacro! 21:31:27 <peter1138> jinx 21:32:55 <Darkvater> back 21:33:29 <MeusH> Darkvater, so how about the measurement patch? Do you think it's ready to be merged? 21:33:36 <Darkvater> when it's done, yes 21:33:40 <Darkvater> but it's not done 21:33:56 <MeusH> what yet has to be done? 21:34:20 <Darkvater> the point-tool 21:34:29 <Darkvater> eg level-land crashes on extremes 21:34:36 <Darkvater> some of the edges of the map 21:34:47 <Darkvater> it needs some special casing 21:35:11 <MeusH> so this is the only tool that crashed at some edges of the map? 21:35:33 <Darkvater> I think so, yes 21:35:45 *** blackis [~blackis@bebis.csbnet.se] has quit [Quit: blackis] 21:36:03 <peter1138> hmm 21:36:12 <peter1138> how long does XP go for without being activated? 21:36:17 <Darkvater> 30 21:36:27 <peter1138> years? 21:36:34 <peter1138> after the period is up 21:36:37 <Darkvater> yes, peter1138 for you it is years 21:36:44 <peter1138> must be, cos it's still going 21:37:54 <Bjarni> so you set the computer clock to year 2155 before installing :p 21:38:58 <MeusH> Bjarni, think of you grandchildren 21:39:10 <peter1138> in 2155? 21:39:12 <Darkvater> he won't have any ^_^ 21:39:13 <peter1138> unlikely 21:40:35 <Darkvater> w00w, I just found out about ALT+right-click-drag 21:40:49 <Darkvater> to resize windows, direction depending on where in the window you are 21:40:50 <Darkvater> awesome 21:41:00 <peter1138> kde thing, i guess 21:41:06 <Sacro> Darkvater: gnome doesnt have that 21:41:07 <Darkvater> I already miss ALT+left-click-drag in windows to move windows 21:41:12 <Darkvater> ya KDE 21:41:14 <Sacro> gnome has that though :p 21:41:15 <Darkvater> soooooooooooo great 21:41:31 <Darkvater> I coded the ALT+move for openttd 21:41:49 <Darkvater> worked great :D, only KDE superseded my ALT so I had to use CTRL 21:41:53 <peter1138> hehe 21:42:42 <peter1138> what's xrdb? 21:42:57 <peter1138> oh, x-gubbins 21:43:06 <peter1138> well, 10:44pm 21:43:08 <peter1138> time to sleep 21:43:08 <peter1138> nini 21:43:27 <Darkvater> gn peter1138 :) 21:44:24 <MeusH> goodnight peter1138 21:46:07 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6697 /trunk/ (lang/english.txt vehicle.c): 21:46:07 <CIA-1> -Fix: [order refit] if an order refit fails, the vehicle is now stopped and the player gets a message (like vehicle stopped in depot) 21:46:07 <CIA-1> This should prevent a vehicle from failing to be refitted and then show up and block a station with full load. 21:46:07 <CIA-1> In such a case, it's better to stop in a depot (that will not stop any other vehicles) and notify the owner 21:50:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:51:27 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 21:55:19 <lws1984> Bjarni? 21:55:21 <Sacro> Bjarni: lws1984 is still t3h borked 21:56:15 <Darkvater> hmm 21:56:19 * Darkvater looks at clock 21:56:20 <Darkvater> gn all 21:56:24 <lws1984> gnight Darkvater 21:56:25 <Sacro> Darkvater: night 21:58:39 <Bjarni> ... 21:58:45 <Bjarni> lws1984: what did you break this time? 21:58:51 <lws1984> nothing! 21:59:00 <Bjarni> really? 21:59:10 <lws1984> but it's bouncing me off the server again, and the start window is freezing up again 21:59:13 <Bjarni> then what is the problem? 21:59:19 <lws1984> so is a singleplayer 64x64 game 21:59:28 <Bjarni> with the same binary? 21:59:33 <lws1984> no, the new nightly 21:59:38 <MeusH> goodnight 21:59:44 <Bjarni> hmm 21:59:52 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 22:00:04 <lws1984> hmm.. havne't tried it with YAPF off yet 22:00:11 <lws1984> worth a shot? 22:00:26 <Bjarni> I think the nightly builds are borked somehow if they are that much slower than the one I sent you 22:00:34 <Bjarni> yeah, go ahead and try it 22:00:41 <lws1984> k then 22:00:50 <Bjarni> it's a quick test 22:01:40 <Bjarni> but it looks like you need to install Xcode yourself and compile the nightly builds yourself to make them faster (wtf?) 22:02:12 <lws1984> quick test :p 22:02:16 <Bjarni> basically you get Xcode 2.4 from Apple (free signup needed), install it and install fink and then use fink to install libpng and svn 22:02:19 <lws1984> i'm just now getting into the patches screen 22:02:48 <lws1984> eh, got Xcode 2.4 on a disk, and fink's easy enough to install 22:02:52 <Bjarni> basically that is all what's needed to get everything to compile 22:02:54 <ln-> how are the nightlies built for mac? 22:03:07 <ln-> are they compiled with Apple's gcc? 22:03:27 <Bjarni> ln-: the issue is that for some strange reason the nightly builds are much slower for lws1984 than the one I compiled for him yesterday 22:03:39 <lws1984> aye, 'tis weird 22:03:57 <Bjarni> ln-: yeah, with the source that they have to offer due to GPL 22:04:06 <Bjarni> and I can't detect such a slowdown 22:04:07 <lws1984> aargh.. quick test? I just finished unchecking the YAPF and NPF 22:04:09 <Bjarni> I tested it 22:04:28 <Bjarni> lws1984: that's REALLY WRONG 22:04:39 <lws1984> Bjarni: I know 22:04:40 <Bjarni> it's way too slow 22:04:45 * lws1984 goes to get his Xcode disk 22:05:03 <lws1984> probably will have responded to me clicking the X by now :p 22:05:13 <ln-> Xcode on the disk is old 22:05:38 <Bjarni> newest one is 2.4 (I think) 22:05:59 <Bjarni> they might give that version out on discs today 22:06:15 <Bjarni> if not, then make use of your 5 mbit connection 22:06:41 <Bjarni> hmm 22:08:28 <lws1984> nope, I've got a burned copy of 2.4 22:08:43 <lws1984> downloaded the installer once, put it on a disk 22:08:45 <lws1984> saves time 22:11:03 <lws1984> hm... will I need the SDK's? kinda low on space 22:11:34 <Sacro> i wanna go to america :( 22:11:41 <Bjarni> no 22:11:45 <lws1984> ah, good 22:11:50 <Bjarni> you need nearly nothing from it 22:11:58 <lws1984> now it only takes 253 MB :D 22:11:58 <Bjarni> just basics with gcc and stuff 22:12:32 <Bjarni> <lws1984<(...)kinda low on space <-- you had 9 GB yesterday 22:12:45 <lws1984> aye, well, I don't like to have more than half the drive taken up 22:13:16 <lws1984> that, and I'm going to have a rather large project on here soon 22:13:27 <Sacro> pr0n! 22:13:30 <lws1984> I find that keeping it about half empty makes it faster 22:13:36 <lws1984> no Sacro, some of us have jobs and such 22:13:39 <lws1984> :p 22:13:56 <Sacro> and pr0n isnt a job? 22:13:59 <Sacro> it pays well... 22:14:22 <lws1984> if you're a pr0nstar 22:15:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... where would i find the stored data of outlook express 22:15:59 <glx> somewhere in "Documents and settings" 22:16:17 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 22:16:21 <Sacro> Local settings, microsoft, identities, *, 22:16:29 <Sacro> or search for *.pst 22:16:33 <CIA-1> bjarni * r6698 /trunk/vehicle.c: -Code cleanup r6697: simplified getting the string of the vehicle type 22:17:27 <Bjarni> lws1984: for that matter, you can skip documentation as well, but I guess you already figured that out yourself ;) 22:17:55 <lws1984> aye, I had everything unchecked except the basic package and the two gcc packages, just wasn't sure on the SDK's 22:18:08 <lws1984> aargh... fink's page isn't working 22:18:20 <Bjarni> ... 22:18:27 <Bjarni> now that's bad 22:18:35 <lws1984> aye, server keeps stopping responding 22:18:54 <lws1984> oh, it's working now 22:18:56 <lws1984> never mind 22:19:14 <Bjarni> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=17203 22:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i must be blind... i don't find any such directory... 22:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i know i have seen it before 22:22:57 <Bjarni> lws1984: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Mac 22:23:08 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176101042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:23:16 <Bjarni> if you find something out of date or similar, then feel free to edit it 22:23:18 <lws1984> Bjarni: thanks 22:23:24 <lws1984> and it turns out I already had fink :p 22:23:33 <Bjarni> lol 22:23:51 <Bjarni> it would have been great if the page was down and you waited until tomorrow to get it :P 22:23:51 <lws1984> should have known, since that's how i installed irssi :p 22:24:00 <lws1984> yes, it would have been 22:24:13 <Bjarni> well 22:24:15 <Bjarni> fink install svn 22:24:22 <Bjarni> fink install libpng3 22:24:29 <Bjarni> or rahter 22:24:32 <Bjarni> fink install libpng3 svn 22:24:36 <lws1984> ah, thanks 22:24:50 <Bjarni> and then you wait 22:24:53 <Bjarni> and wait 22:24:59 <lws1984> aye, I know, i've done this before :p 22:25:03 <Bjarni> and after that, you wait a little more 22:25:15 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:25:15 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:25:34 <Bjarni> once it's done, you go to the location where you want to place the checkout and write: 22:25:37 <lws1984> wait, isn't it svn-client? 22:25:49 <Bjarni> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 22:25:56 <Bjarni> svn-client will do 22:26:02 <lws1984> aye, that's what the wiki says :p 22:26:05 <lws1984> thanks 22:26:27 <Bjarni> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk x, where x is the name of the dir you want your checkout to be in 22:26:41 <Bjarni> then cd $x and make 22:26:49 <Bjarni> that's it 22:26:57 <lws1984> thanks 22:27:03 * lws1984 writes all this down in a sticky 22:27:31 <Bjarni> one more thing: "svn up -r x" updates to revision x, so pick the one the nightly builds are based on 22:27:41 <lws1984> ooh, thanks 22:28:15 <Bjarni> it can also "upgrade" to older revisions, but then we tend to call it "revert" ;) 22:28:59 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 22:29:10 <Bjarni> ok, now that I got you started, maybe you can do something for me. Do you have any access to a mac running OSX 10.3 at all? 22:29:26 <Bjarni> or is able to install it on an external HD or something? 22:29:34 <lws1984> 10.3... nope, not at all 22:29:37 <lws1984> I lost my 10.3 disk 22:29:38 <lws1984> :( 22:29:48 <lws1984> i'd love to help 22:30:14 <Bjarni> I still got my 10.3 discs, but I lost the computer, that was able to use it 22:30:16 <Bjarni> lighting :( 22:30:25 <Bjarni> killed the PSU 22:30:32 <lws1984> what, nothing else can run 10.3? 22:30:39 <lws1984> ouch, that's next to impossible to fix 22:31:28 <Bjarni> a new PSU cost a fortune (like 1/3 of a new mac mini) because it got 28V as well as the other voltages 22:32:00 <Bjarni> I'm not paying that kind of money for a computer with a CPU in the pre GHz days and how do I know that it's a PSU only problem 22:32:15 <Bjarni> so I lack a computer that's able to boot 10.3 22:32:27 <lws1984> ouch 22:33:10 <Bjarni> actually I don't need 10.3, I need freetype.a compiled on 10.3 since it have proven next to impossible to crosscompile for 10.3 :( 22:33:43 <lws1984> what's the issue with 10.3? 22:35:30 <Bjarni> the issue is that someday we will release 0.5.0 (don't listen to the rumour that says it will never happen) and then it will have UTF-8 suppport 22:35:36 <Bjarni> -p 22:36:14 <Bjarni> and because we don't want to draw every single character that UTF-8 can display, we decided to add freetype to draw for us 22:36:15 <lws1984> why not build it in before? :p 22:36:21 <lws1984> aah 22:36:39 <Bjarni> but I lack a static freetype lib to link against when building the release binary 22:36:42 <lws1984> uhoh... this doesn't loook good: endian_check.c:3:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory 22:36:45 <lws1984> endian_check.c: In function 'main': 22:36:48 <lws1984> endian_check.c:24: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'printf' 22:36:51 <lws1984> make: *** [endian_check] Error 1 22:37:21 <Sacro> no stdio? 22:37:36 <lws1984> ..what? 22:37:51 <Bjarni> it should be in /usr/include/ 22:38:20 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC6189.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:23 <Bjarni> see if you got it 22:38:39 <lws1984> nothing called stdio 22:38:42 <lws1984> in /usr/include 22:38:52 <Bjarni> hmm 22:39:08 <Bjarni> how is it possible to skip when installing xcode??? 22:39:21 <Bjarni> it's like the most basic function 22:39:31 <lws1984> hmm.. should I try installing again? 22:39:35 <lws1984> xcode, i mean 22:39:55 <Bjarni> do you have pacifist? 22:40:07 <lws1984> ..no, but I can get it easily enough, across the network 22:40:14 <lws1984> but all of this shall wait until after dinner 22:40:18 <lws1984> bbl 22:40:27 <lws1984> or can you cram in the directions now? 22:40:49 <Bjarni> then check where that file is and see if it gives a hint on what checkbox to check when installing next time 22:40:56 <lws1984> ok then 22:40:57 <lws1984> thanks 22:41:01 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: BBL] 22:41:02 <Bjarni> when you are back, I will be asleep 22:41:14 <Bjarni> and he didn't get that message.... 22:47:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 22:53:08 <ln-> what was the status of the OS/2 port? 22:54:26 <glx> !seen orudge 22:54:27 <_42_> glx, orudge (~orudge@host81-132-175-237.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) was last seen quitting #openttd 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours 27 minutes ago (11.09. 20:26) stating "" after spending 9 hours 51 minutes there. 22:54:30 <Sacro> ask orudge 22:54:55 <ln-> he's obviously not here. 22:55:48 <mikk36> coop server gone ? 22:57:34 <mikk36> erm, coopetition ? :P 22:57:49 <Sacro> isnt that Brianettas? 23:00:04 <mikk36> "brianetta's deathmatch" ? 23:01:38 <Bjarni> sounds like a wartime scenario 23:01:42 <Sacro> he ran co-op servers too 23:01:51 <mikk36> i know he did 23:01:52 <Sacro> Bjarni: its no rules server :p 23:01:55 <Bjarni> who gets to transport the most tanks each year 23:01:58 <mikk36> but i don't see any now :P 23:02:02 <mikk36> lol 23:02:53 <Bjarni> you will get paid extra for transporting ammo 23:03:01 <Bjarni> with the usual risk of detonation 23:03:44 <Bjarni> did you know that Hitler asked to move troops and guns though Sweden so he could maintain control of Norway? 23:04:15 <Bjarni> Sweden didn't like it but had to accept in order not to be attacked, so they demanded that no train was allowed to carry both troops and guns 23:04:36 <Bjarni> and one of the gun transport blew up 23:05:04 <Bjarni> officially they just said "ammo is somewhat unstable and this is to be expected" 23:05:25 <Sacro> night all 23:05:31 <Bjarni> unofficially it's likely that somebody helped it to become unstable 23:05:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-141-177.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:39 <Bjarni> hmm 23:05:54 <Bjarni> Sacro left the moment I said somebody appears to have committed a crime 23:05:55 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-132-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:06:05 <ln-> i thought he's not old enough 23:06:31 <ln-> yeah, those damn swedes. 23:07:26 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-230-193.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: YOU! 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We called them resistance and after the war, the government paid money to them 23:07:56 <Bjarni> today we would have called them terrorists 23:08:42 <Bjarni> first resistance railroad action in Denmark was then unknown people spent a whole lot of time screwing tracks from each other in a curve 23:09:08 <Bjarni> most likely the longest sabotage ever in Denmark 23:10:15 <Bjarni> The next morning, a Danish train acting as a supply train for Germany showed up and the 100 tons tank engine tipped over 23:10:27 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@p54B37AE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 23:10:46 <Bjarni> that engine is operational today as the only one of that engine design 23:11:12 <ln-> this is why OpenTTD should introduce military transport and stuff. 23:11:51 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-150-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:05 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:13:55 <Bjarni> the majority of the developers decided against it the last time we talked about it 23:13:55 <ln-> btw, is it guaranteed that the "factories" of openttd are real factories and not concentration camps? 23:14:31 <Bjarni> I think everybody from that majority except DV left 23:14:44 <mikk36> ? 23:15:03 <Bjarni> look in the readme for retired developers 23:15:39 <ln-> Bjarni: well, OpenTTD hasn't so far introduced any other new cargo type either. 23:16:06 <Bjarni> if we go 2 years back and look at who were active back then and who are active now, the list is rather short 23:16:29 <Bjarni> I mean the list of people showing up on both lists ;) 23:16:42 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer] 23:17:24 <mikk36> :P 23:19:06 <ln-> adding a new cargo type would require rewriting half of the game, right? 23:19:21 <Bjarni> no 23:19:31 <Bjarni> it would actually be really easy 23:19:40 <Bjarni> I think 23:20:07 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:31 <Bjarni> hmm 23:20:39 <Bjarni> what would be needed to do so... 23:20:58 <Bjarni> adding the name in the enum in openttd.h 23:21:05 <ln-> new kinds of wagons, graphics... 23:21:06 <Bjarni> increase CARGO_NUM by one 23:21:24 <Bjarni> add strings with the cargo name 23:21:42 <Bjarni> and then it's possible to add vehicles actually using that cargo 23:22:07 <Bjarni> I see no reason why the code itself would fail if we got 15 cargo types instead of the current 12 23:22:23 <Bjarni> I mean, everywhere it uses CargoID, which is actually just a byte 23:22:30 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EDA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:51 <ln-> but CargoIDs are terrain-specific.. (well, that wouldn't break anything as such, no) 23:22:56 <Bjarni> 2 values are reserved for other stuff, so it would be 254 different cargo types, that's possible without recoding the actual code 23:22:59 <ln-> climate 23:23:49 <Bjarni> actually it's like this: there are 12 cargo IDs in use 23:24:03 <Bjarni> depending on what climate we use, they can get assigned different strings 23:24:17 <Bjarni> but internally they are the same 23:24:39 <ln-> so what kind of things could these military trains transport? people? trucks? 23:25:07 <ln-> btw, am i the only one here who has travelled on a military train? 23:25:23 <Bjarni> grain, wheat, maize and toffee are actually the same CargoID, but they get assigned different strings due to climate 23:26:22 <Bjarni> the closest I have been to a military transport was when I was driving in a WW2 troop transport lorry 23:27:02 <Bjarni> why? 23:27:19 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:28 <ln-> just wondering. 23:29:08 <Bjarni> I did travel in a train with 4 locomotives once though 23:31:03 <Bjarni> "// no longer in use" <-- I like finding comments like that in the source :) 23:31:37 <ln-> Bjarni: do you think the CargoIDs should be made unique across climate types? 23:31:44 <Bjarni> yeah 23:31:52 <ln-> so that in the future maybe several climate types could co-exist on the same map. 23:32:33 <Bjarni> ID 1 is coal, except in tropical, where it's rubber, so assigning rubber to something else will in theory allow coal in tropical as well 23:33:06 <ln-> how about candyfloss in tropical... 23:33:36 <Bjarni> CT_HILLY_UNUSED = 8, <-- I think we can skip assigning this one it's own ID 23:34:12 <Bjarni> and why HILLY? It's ARCTIC if it should tell what it really is 23:35:08 <Bjarni> changing cargo types would be somewhat trivial except for newgrf 23:37:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-82-151.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:23 <Bjarni> hehe, because of the non-unique IDs, I just managed to build a coal mine producing rubber 23:45:04 <ln-> what other cargo types besides military could one think of? 23:49:21 <DaleStan> ln-: You mean besides the ECS and UKRSI cargos? 23:49:51 <ln-> ECS? UKRSI? 23:50:50 <Bjarni> ln-: well, how about aluminium, waste, refined oil products, gravel and so on 23:51:01 <ln-> sounds good. 23:51:09 <Bjarni> look in railroad tycoon, simutrans and other games for ideas 23:51:18 <Bjarni> not to mention just out of your window 23:51:18 <ln-> nuclear waste... 23:51:37 <DaleStan> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=20277 and http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27718 23:51:39 <Bjarni> I'm against that 23:51:40 * lws1984 looks out his window and sees garbage trucks and autombiles and colege students 23:51:50 <Bjarni> yeah 23:51:55 <Bjarni> college students 23:52:03 <Bjarni> we need to transport a whole lot of those 23:52:07 <ln-> how about trucks on trains? 23:53:28 <lws1984> Bjarni: apparently stdio.h was in the SDK's, that's why it wasn't installed :p 23:54:15 <glx> that sounds logical indeed 23:54:57 <Bjarni> lws1984: well, pick ONE of them and make sure it's the right one then ;) 23:55:16 <lws1984> I did! 23:55:20 <lws1984> the Mac OS X one had it in there 23:55:29 <lws1984> thanks for all your help 23:56:10 <Bjarni> now that you got the compiler set up, it's time for you to start coding 23:56:58 <Bjarni> it would be nice if we got more cargo types from those grf files when I wake up tomorrow 23:57:00 <Bjarni> :p 23:57:06 <ln-> Bjarni: how many thousand lines of patches would be required to have wagons that carry lorries, and ferries that carry railway wagons? 23:57:23 <Bjarni> hmm 23:57:25 <Bjarni> 27? 23:57:29 <lws1984> :p 23:57:31 <lws1984> me? code? 23:57:32 <lws1984> in C? 23:57:34 <lws1984> HAHAHAHA 23:57:48 <ln-> lws1984: you may use Objective C as well for the mac-related parts. 23:57:48 * Bjarni logs that 23:58:05 <lws1984> I can't do that either! 23:58:13 <Bjarni> since you are the only American telling me about your coding skills, that's 100% of my US feedback 23:58:31 <lws1984> well, I'm one of many Americans 23:58:42 <Bjarni> and this ends my survey. Americans can't figure out how to make software 23:58:43 <lws1984> the only coding that I can do fluently is AppleScript and HTML 23:58:53 <lws1984> hey, now that's quite unfair! 23:58:59 <lws1984> look at TTDPatch! 23:58:59 <Bjarni> you code AppleScript? 23:59:10 <lws1984> a bi 23:59:13 <lws1984> *bit 23:59:21 <Bjarni> you mean record, do action, stop 23:59:25 <lws1984> :p 23:59:26 <Bjarni> or a bit more than that ;) 23:59:38 <lws1984> no I mean as in I can make relatively simple programs and such 23:59:43 <lws1984> but nothing wicked advanced