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02:50:31 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-150-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:51:11 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:55:39 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-150-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:02:04 <CIA-1> rubidium * r6829 /branches/newhouses/ (newgrf.c newgrf_house.c town_map.h): [NewHouses] -Fix: replace magic values with enumerated values 03:18:28 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:24:00 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:39:50 <CIA-1> rubidium * r6830 /branches/newhouses/ (39 files in 4 dirs): [NewHouses] -Sync with trunk r6804:6828. 03:44:47 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 03:50:37 *** BrigadierFrog [~tburdick@24-148-43-87.grn-bsr1.chi-grn.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:20 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:14:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 04:19:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19:40 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 04:59:36 *** lws1984 [~lwslade@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:30:37 *** wjarok [~billy@c-69-243-92-235.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:52:28 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 05:57:29 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 05:59:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:59:21 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 06:00:58 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@firewall1.driftbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 06:02:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D188.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:05:25 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@firewall1.driftbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:16:57 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 06:17:00 <Celestar> ,prmomg 06:17:03 <Celestar> morning 06:30:09 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-147-54.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 06:38:45 <CIA-1> celestar * r6831 /branches/bridge/ (131 files in 9 dirs): [bridge] - Sync with r6700:6800 from trunk 06:46:57 *** Ammler [~Ammler@219.112.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:47:59 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: :D 06:48:25 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: promise me you'll never type before your boot process successfully finished :D 06:49:02 <peter1138> morning 06:49:17 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: mornin' :D 06:57:01 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: that was a displaced keyboard :) 06:57:12 <Celestar> or a displaced right hand rather 06:57:22 <XeryusTC> heya Celestar :) 06:57:27 <Celestar> hey XeryusTC 06:57:38 <XeryusTC> long time no see 06:57:41 <Celestar> ok ... what needs to be done/fixed/implemented? 06:57:44 <Celestar> right 06:57:49 <Celestar> but I'm kind of back :P 07:00:16 <XeryusTC> :) 07:00:41 * Celestar will resume work on bridges 07:01:47 <XeryusTC> \o/ 07:02:42 <Celestar> but I still have lots of revisions to catch up 07:05:12 <XeryusTC> indeed you do 07:05:36 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-147-54.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 07:11:50 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-147-54.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:14:01 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfeb0.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [] 07:14:18 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfeb0.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:14:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 07:21:02 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-26.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:30:51 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:39:54 <blathijs> ey Celestar 07:41:31 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6832 /branches/newhouses/ (newgrf_town.c newgrf_town.h): [NewHouses] - Add town variable handler. 07:43:32 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6833 /branches/newhouses/ (Makefile openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [NewHouses] - Add newgrf_town.[ch] to Makefile/project files 07:43:33 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75E31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:28 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6834 /branches/newhouses/newgrf_house.c: [NewHouses] - Codechange: support looking up of town variables from within the house tile resolver. 07:44:59 <Darkvater> morning 07:45:24 <Darkvater> is it very evil to say that I would've rather seen newindustries first instead of newhouses? :) 07:45:25 <peter1138> mr vater 07:45:29 <peter1138> yes 07:45:35 <peter1138> however 07:45:46 <peter1138> quite a bit of it is the same 07:45:49 <peter1138> and houses are easier 07:45:59 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-147-54.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 07:48:55 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:30 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-147-54.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:53:45 <peter1138> oh yeah 07:53:47 <peter1138> off to work o_O 07:53:55 <Darkvater> hehe, have a nice day :) 07:56:34 <Darkvater> I had the strangest thing yesterday. I moved a GfxFillRect out from a loop 07:56:51 <Darkvater> so it was called with a bigger area only once instead of smaller areas 10 times 07:57:02 <Darkvater> and measuring the whole function it was slower o_O 07:57:35 <Celestar> hez blathijs 07:58:15 <Tron> if something was drawn on the just painted small rectangles, then drawing a big rectangle and later stuff onto it could cause cache thrashing 07:58:22 <Celestar> what is the status on newsignalling btw? 07:58:53 * Celestar is off to do some work 07:59:38 <Darkvater> Tron: it's the 'chat-box'. A single 'line' of rectangle is drawn and on top a piece of text. Then the same for the next line, etc. etc. 07:59:51 <Darkvater> Tron: so I changed it to 'draw the whole box' then draw the text on it line by line 08:00:13 <Tron> yes, this could cause cache thrashing 08:00:48 <Tron> drawing the big box, till you reach the end of the box the first lines you just have drawn are already kicked out of the cache again 08:01:06 <Tron> so later drawing the text causes many cache misses 08:01:31 * Celestar thinks we need bigger caches :P 08:01:31 <Darkvater> hmm... should I turn the change back then? 08:01:43 <Tron> while drawing a small box and then text onto it right after results in cache hits when drawing the text 08:03:25 <Darkvater> you would think otherwise though since getting the text is a huge piece of code 08:04:49 <Celestar> "Core 2 Extreme QX6700 processors" <= someone at Intel really needs something to DO. 08:06:03 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/snmp/images/wan_daily_2.png << rrdtool is so cool :D 08:07:02 <Celestar> snmp is even better :) 08:08:27 <peter1138> back 08:09:11 <Darkvater> Celestar: snmp only gets the data, rrdgraph visualizes it 08:09:26 <blathijs> Tron: Are you talking about processor cache or some openttd-implemented cache? 08:11:08 <peter1138> processor i'd guess 08:15:09 <Darkvater> do we want nicer code or faster code for drawtextmessage? :) 08:15:44 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:17:21 <peter1138> faster, but explain it, i guess? 08:17:33 <peter1138> otoh 08:17:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@219.112.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:17:59 <peter1138> maybe the nicer code is faster on some machines 08:18:14 <Tron> <Darkvater> you would think otherwise though since getting the text is a huge piece of code <--- what does this have to do with it? 08:20:13 <peter1138> hmm, what does ^D do in the console? 08:20:52 <Tron> EOF 08:21:02 <peter1138> so why does it execute the last command? 08:21:20 <Tron> UTSL 08:21:23 <peter1138> huh? 08:21:25 <peter1138> ou 08:21:29 <Tron> Use The Source Luke 08:21:35 <peter1138> yeah 08:21:35 <peter1138> annoying 08:21:42 <peter1138> i was logging out of terminals in screen 08:21:46 <peter1138> and did ^D one too many 08:21:57 <peter1138> the last command i had typed was to load a game, last night 08:22:00 <peter1138> "oops" 08:22:43 <DaleStan> <peter1138> so why does it execute the last command? <-- Did you mean "Is it supposed to execute ..."? 08:23:02 <peter1138> DaleStan: yes 08:24:11 <Tron> ohoh 08:24:15 <Tron> i have a theory 08:24:33 <Tron> EOF caues read() to succeed with a read count of 0 08:24:57 <Tron> so guess what happens, when you read 0 bytes into the command buffer 08:25:05 <peter1138> you get left with what was there before 08:25:20 * Tron gives peter1138 a delicious cookie 08:27:09 <peter1138> svn diff 08:27:11 <peter1138> err 08:27:11 <peter1138> :) 08:27:23 <Tron> ENOTYOURTERMINAL 08:27:58 *** roboboy is now known as robotv 08:28:19 <DaleStan> This is why IRC is black on white, and the terminal is white on black. 08:28:53 <Zavior> I have white on blue :o 08:29:12 <Prof_Frink> No, that is why you look at the terminal emulator to see you're in the right screen first 08:30:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@219.112.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 08:32:21 *** Nigel__ is now known as Nigel 08:34:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@219.112.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34:51 <Zavior> peter1138, will your server start new game tonight= 08:35:20 <peter1138> no idea 08:35:36 <peter1138> depends how much game i wiped out just now, heh 08:35:49 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54886A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:07 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54886A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 08:39:30 <Tron> RETURN VALUES 08:39:30 <Tron> Upon successful completion, fgets() and gets() return a pointer to the 08:39:30 <Tron> string. If end-of-file occurs before any characters are read, they 08:39:30 <Tron> return NULL and the buffer contents remain unchanged. 08:39:36 <Tron> peter1138: from the fgets() manpage 08:41:54 * Celestar fails to see the point in the "rain" in Xgl 08:43:21 <peter1138> *nod* 08:43:41 <Celestar> oh .. the Polish Coast Guard fired at a german vessel :o 08:46:02 <Darkvater> Tron: I thought since the string functions are big it uses a lot of cache so it would 'run' out anywyas 08:46:18 <Darkvater> but I think I'll go with the faster code. It's clearer and impact is minimal 08:46:40 <Celestar> Darkvater: the cache is pretty big nowadays :) 08:46:59 <Tron> usually at L1 there are separate caches for code and data 08:47:10 <Darkvater> well not big enough if this change thrashes my PentiumM 08:47:38 <Celestar> I think Intel still operates with shared L1 caches? 08:48:29 <Celestar> AMD64 has 64kB/64kB (L1) 08:48:38 <Celestar> and 128-1024kB L2 08:48:41 <Tron> even the Pentium I had separate code and data L1 cache 08:48:42 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0CFEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:46 <Celestar> (per core) 08:48:48 <Tron> 8k each, iirc 08:50:24 <peter1138> Tron: so we could add a check for null and return... 08:50:30 <peter1138> i wonder about the windows' side 08:50:38 <Darkvater> what is the problem? 08:50:57 <Tron> Darkvater: what peter said at 10:21 08:51:11 * Darkvater scrolls back 08:51:33 <Darkvater> *confused* 08:51:52 <Darkvater> press ctrl+d then start openttd agian or what 08:51:53 <Darkvater> ? 08:51:55 <peter1138> read it chronologically ;) 08:52:26 <peter1138> pressing ^D in the (dedicated) console causes the last command to be executed again 08:52:42 <Celestar> Tron: true. P4s have 12+8Kb (Gallatin, Northwood, Willamette) or 12+16kB (Preshott) 08:53:00 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/confix.diff < works for me, but i also wonder about the windows console. yes. 08:53:23 <peter1138> P4s have tiny L1 cache? 08:53:23 <peter1138> hmm 08:53:27 <Celestar> Tron: however the Core architecture has a unified L1 again (64kB) if memory serves 08:53:29 <Darkvater> he indeed it does lol 08:53:31 <Darkvater> feature? 08:53:39 <peter1138> bug 08:53:41 <Tron> bug 08:53:52 <peter1138> is that in windows, darkvater? 08:53:54 <Darkvater> make it a shortcut on the wiki and it is a feature :D 08:54:06 <Darkvater> windows doesn't have ctrl+d 08:54:14 <Tron> it has CTRL+Z 08:54:16 *** Mucht|work [~mucht@p57A0FF2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:19 <peter1138> hmm 08:54:20 <Darkvater> I just get a nice ^D 08:54:22 <Darkvater> but let's see 08:54:28 <Tron> other key combination, same purpose 08:54:45 <Darkvater> doesn't do it on windows 08:54:52 <Darkvater> it only executes command when you press enter 08:54:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:55:02 <Tron> effect could be very differnt, because it uses a completly differnt codepath for input 08:55:08 * peter1138 nods 08:55:32 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 08:55:52 <Darkvater> ctrl+m does newline though? 08:56:00 <Darkvater> ah, it's an enter 08:56:08 <Tron> M is the 13th letter in the alphabet 08:56:18 <Tron> therefore CTRL+M -> ASCII 13 08:56:19 <Celestar> depends on the alphabet :P 08:56:22 <Tron> ASCII 13 is CR 08:56:58 <Celestar> and CRTL+H? 08:57:13 <Celestar> should then be the beep :) 08:57:16 <Tron> H -> 9th letter 08:57:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:23 <Tron> ASCII 9 -> BACKSPACE 08:57:24 <peter1138> 8th :) 08:57:28 <Tron> ^G ist BEL 08:57:42 <Tron> uh, sorry, 8th letter 08:58:04 <peter1138> hmm 08:58:09 <Celestar> stupid obi-wan 08:58:14 <peter1138> so H -> 9 and M -> 13 08:58:22 <Tron> 9 is TAB 08:58:26 <Tron> peter1138: h -> 8 08:58:31 <peter1138> bah, confused :) 08:58:46 <Celestar> no need to count 08:58:52 <Celestar> "man ascii" 08:59:03 <Tron> that's why you sometimes see ^I instead of tabs (for example in vi with :set list) 09:00:29 <Tron> ^@ ist ASCII 0, in case you wonder 09:00:33 <peter1138> yeah 09:00:37 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 09:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause> !logs 09:00:42 <Sacro> i never knew that... 09:00:57 <peter1138> ^[ is 27... useful on a xda exec which has no fucking escape key 09:01:37 <Tron> typing this on a german keybaord: STRG+ALTRG+8 09:01:45 <Tron> STRG is CTRL 09:02:20 <peter1138> (also it has no ctrl key... you can only access it from the onscreen keyboard) 09:03:02 <Darkvater> peter1138: diff's good me thinks 09:04:26 * Celestar checks flyspray 09:04:29 <Tron> except when it really looses its termnial, then it will go bonkers# 09:04:37 <Tron> well, it probably did that before 09:04:44 <Tron> s/oo/o/ 09:05:12 <Celestar> 76 open bug reports :o 09:06:26 * Tron likes the new -c argument of svn 09:06:47 <Sacro> :O its a Celestar 09:06:52 <Celestar> Tron: ? 09:07:07 <Tron> -c [--change] par : the change made by revision ARG (like -r ARG-1:ARG) 09:07:07 <Tron> If ARG is negative this is like -r ARG:ARG-1 09:07:26 <Celestar> in what context? 09:07:32 <Darkvater> sweet 09:07:33 <Celestar> svn diff? 09:07:37 <Tron> diff mainly 09:07:40 <Sacro> Celestar: yeah, i think it is 09:07:45 <Celestar> hm 09:07:50 <Darkvater> I like that -r ARG-1:ARG always confused me 09:08:02 <Celestar> I don't have it :( 09:08:10 <Tron> install svn 1.4 09:08:16 <Celestar> ah 09:08:19 <Celestar> 1.3.0 here 09:08:38 <Celestar> is any one still maintaining the flyspray stuff? 09:09:41 <Tron> Darkvater: /* XXX - strtok() does not 'forget' \n\r if it is the first character! */ 09:09:48 <Tron> what exactly is this comment supposed to mean? 09:10:15 <Darkvater> public Boolean isSpammable() {return spammable;} 09:10:20 <Darkvater> hehe :) 09:10:31 <Celestar> Darkvater: ??? 09:10:36 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2D144.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:40 <Darkvater> java project I'm working on 09:11:14 <Celestar> ok 09:11:31 <Darkvater> Tron: I honestly don't have the slightest memory of why that was put there 09:13:15 <Tron> and that's why i love svn annotate 09:13:25 <Celestar> svn blame :) 09:13:35 <Tron> you can bitch about stuff people did thousands of revisions ago 09:13:56 <Tron> they cannot remember why, but you make them feel guilty (:< 09:14:03 <Celestar> :) 09:14:40 <peter1138> heh 09:15:11 <peter1138> gah, fucking access 09:15:23 <Celestar> what kind of access? 09:15:25 <Darkvater> I must say in my defence that I only added the comment ;p 09:15:25 <Sacro> MS Acess? 09:15:32 <peter1138> yes 09:16:02 <peter1138> i can select data from it 09:16:07 <peter1138> and i can run update/insert against it 09:16:14 <peter1138> but update/insert don't do anything :/ 09:17:02 <Celestar> `lol 09:17:10 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:17:10 <Celestar> use a proper database then 09:17:26 <peter1138> i would, but that would require rewriting this whole thing 09:17:33 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D10E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:58 <peter1138> argh 09:18:05 <peter1138> it even *says* one row was changed 09:18:22 <Sacro> MySQL frw 09:18:24 <Sacro> *ftw 09:18:41 <peter1138> no, i'd use a proper database 09:18:46 <Celestar> lol 09:19:03 <Darkvater> not even when you press enter? 09:19:14 <peter1138> hmm? 09:19:52 <Darkvater> I once had it at work with msaccess that while I was busy working on it the network connection was lost. A few minutes later when the network came back on the whole file was corrupt :s 09:19:57 <Darkvater> peter1138: nvm 09:20:07 <peter1138> oh, i'm not use access itself 09:20:14 <Celestar> Access is about the most horrible thing that pretends to be a database :P 09:20:15 <peter1138> using... oledb... urgh 09:20:32 <Darkvater> OLEdb hehe 09:20:36 <Celestar> but ok .. 09:20:38 <Darkvater> is it one of those windows OLE objects? 09:20:56 <Celestar> one guy recently complained to me that Excel is crap because it only supports 256x16384 tables 09:21:08 <Celestar> and he needed.... 300x150.000 09:21:18 <Darkvater> that's been fixed since excel 2000 09:21:25 <Celestar> and he has "to split all my data among tons of tables" 09:21:25 <peter1138> wtf 09:21:50 <Celestar> Darkvater: if you have 300x150.000 entries you do not need a spreadsheet, you need a database 09:21:55 <peter1138> hmm 09:22:04 <Celestar> and he was like "Excel IS a database" 09:22:11 <peter1138> heh 09:22:22 <Darkvater> Celestar: he, tell that to peopl 09:22:29 <Sacro> excel aint a database, but i reckon its better than access 09:22:34 <Darkvater> we also use huge excel sheets at work 09:22:40 <peter1138> people put data into excel 09:22:44 <peter1138> therefore it's a database 09:22:45 <peter1138> or something 09:22:48 <Darkvater> cause that's the only program these financial people can work in :O 09:23:05 <Celestar> Darkvater: no there is another one: SAP R/3 09:23:50 *** robotv is now known as roboboy 09:24:05 <Celestar> the same guy asked me whether gcc supported the creation of graphical user interfaces 09:24:13 <peter1138> *snigger* 09:24:47 <peter1138> weird 09:24:51 <peter1138> it's now put data in 09:24:54 <peter1138> the columns don't match up 09:24:57 <Celestar> lol 09:25:15 <Celestar> it seems the OleDB is not really mature :P 09:25:19 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-249.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 09:26:28 <peter1138> it'll insert, but not update 09:26:29 <peter1138> o_O 09:26:57 <Celestar> update == remove old data, insert modified data :P 09:27:05 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-147-54.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:48 <Celestar> hmpf 09:28:58 <Celestar> users eat up 30GB storage space every day 09:29:18 <Darkvater> ok wtf is this supposed to mean 09:29:25 <Darkvater> woo 09:29:28 <Darkvater> 11:29 -!- Irssi: Pasting 285 lines to #openttd. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. 09:29:32 <Darkvater> he 09:29:33 <peter1138> oh, this is fucked up 09:29:48 <peter1138> it substitutes parameters in the order specified 09:29:51 <peter1138> not by name 09:30:06 <Celestar> what is a parameter? 09:30:06 <Darkvater> File 'unisource/src/tapestry/Profile.java' has been skipped, problem while reading: ('Resource is out of sync with the file system: /unisource/src/tapestry/Profile.java.'). 09:30:17 <Darkvater> now tell me... is it not right to hate Eclipse? 09:30:29 <Celestar> I never use Eclipse 09:30:59 <peter1138> Celestar: basically a place holder in the sql string 09:31:07 <Celestar> ah 09:31:10 <peter1138> it lets the system handle making the string safe, etc 09:31:19 <hylje> ima gonna rebuild a kernel on a lappy 09:31:27 <peter1138> so UPDATE foo SET bar = @bar, baz = @baz WHERE id = @id 09:31:46 <peter1138> then i added @id = 1, @bar = "bar", @baz = "baz" 09:31:59 <Celestar> ok 09:32:08 <peter1138> it was trying to do UPDATE foo SET bar = 1, baz = "bar" WHERE id = "baz" 09:32:21 <hylje> :o 09:32:22 <Celestar> smart :S 09:32:25 <peter1138> which is... you'll agree... fucked up 09:32:45 <Darkvater> ugh, don't use oldb 09:33:08 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm sure that is MS Access 2007's way to tell you "you have a pirated version of $RANDOM_PRODUCT" 09:33:41 <Prof_Frink> Celestar: You mean $RANDOM_PRODUCT_YOU_DONT_ACTUALLY_HAVE_IN_THE_FIRST_PLACE 09:33:47 <Celestar> LOL 09:33:54 <peter1138> ok 09:34:00 <peter1138> the datasource doesn't support named parameters 09:34:00 <peter1138> so 09:34:05 <Prof_Frink> or $RANDOM_PRODUCT_THATS_FREE_SOFTWARE 09:34:08 <peter1138> why doesn't it throw an exception 09:34:20 <Celestar> peter1138: because it would actually be helpful? 09:34:24 <peter1138> oh, yes... 09:34:29 <hylje> yes, down with the helpfulness 09:35:07 <Tron> <peter1138> the datasource doesn't support named parameters <--- klingon datasources don't have parameters. They have arguments and they always win them! 09:35:27 <hylje> ha 09:35:30 <Celestar> hr hr 09:39:24 <Celestar> ... 09:39:56 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6835 /trunk/video/dedicated_v.c: - Fix: Pressing ^D (EOF) at a dedicated console caused it to repeat the last command, instead of doing nothing. 09:40:32 <peter1138> best thing about using access databases in .net... 09:40:41 <peter1138> you have to specify the full path in the configuration file 09:40:44 <peter1138> relative won't do 09:40:53 <Celestar> having this in in a directory called video/ seems wrong 09:41:07 <peter1138> it's the dedicated video driver 09:41:16 <Celestar> I know 09:41:18 <peter1138> having input (and game loop) handling in there is wrong... 09:41:22 <Celestar> it still feels wrong :) 09:43:20 <hylje> dzzt 09:43:32 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:44:51 <peter1138> (this is the sort of database that uses "na" instead of null) 09:45:02 <Tron> peter1138: having input there is ok, separating keyboard/mouse input and video output is often a hassle 09:45:11 <peter1138> true 09:45:11 <Tron> but the game loop shouldn't be there 09:45:34 <Celestar> then maybe we should rename video/ to io/ :P 09:45:35 <Tron> 4 game loops actually 09:45:40 * Celestar runs 09:46:07 <peter1138> sound & music's output too... 09:46:08 <Eddi|zuHause> io would include sound ;) 09:46:21 <Celestar> i_partial_o ? 09:46:45 <peter1138> pio, just to confuse :) 09:47:57 <hylje> ipo 09:48:24 <Celestar> but then disk is also input and output 09:48:30 <Darkvater> input_output_that_only_includes_video_and_keyboard_and_mouse/ 09:48:35 <Celestar> so partial_I_partial_O? 09:48:38 <Celestar> pipo :P 09:49:08 <Celestar> ottd_developers_have_too_much_time_on_their_hands/ 09:50:50 <peter1138> but not enough 09:50:58 <Darkvater> no, it's too short 09:51:16 <Celestar> we ought not to break DOS compatibility :P 09:51:22 <Tron> i want a CamelCased named! 09:52:13 <Darkvater> Celestar: it won't be, we'll just have input-~1 09:52:15 <Darkvater> ;p 09:52:39 <hylje> dos? who cares about dos! 09:52:51 * Celestar is looking forward to filenames called ______~1 ______~2 ______~3 .... 09:52:58 <hylje> ha 09:53:11 <hylje> so name all the stuff with varying amounts of whitespace 09:53:17 <hylje> .c .c 09:53:19 <Celestar> lol 09:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> a file named *.* could be confusing, too ;) 09:56:28 <Celestar> hehe 09:56:47 <hylje> *.c 09:57:37 <Celestar> I am getting kind of tired 09:57:38 <Celestar> :P 10:05:28 <peter1138> *sigh* 10:05:30 <peter1138> Response.Write("<td class=copyright align=left bgcolor=E4E4E3>" & rs.fields("product_shortdesc") & "</td>") 10:06:17 <Darkvater> gaah 10:06:20 <Darkvater> ASP RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN 10:06:32 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:14 <Born_Acorn> Asps on a Plane! 10:09:01 <peter1138> Darkvater: quite, although it was the <td> tag i was dispairing at... 10:09:09 <peter1138> using css classes, fine... 10:09:18 <peter1138> but "copyright" for a product description 10:09:29 <peter1138> and then setting a bgcolor (without a #) and setting align... 10:10:03 <Darkvater> he probably had the proper css class for td named copyright ;p 10:10:08 <hylje> you found a wtf 10:10:25 <Darkvater> I don't even think bgcolor is supported 10:11:39 <Darkvater> hmm I was wrong 10:11:42 <Darkvater> but it is deprecated 10:11:51 <Darkvater> any why would you use it if you have a css there anyways? 10:12:18 <Sacro> peter1138: your missing a # 10:12:48 <Darkvater> o_O 10:13:19 <Sacro> bgcolor=#e4e4e3 10:13:29 *** mucht_ is now known as Mucht|work 10:13:30 * Darkvater gives up 10:13:51 <peter1138> Sacro: "(without a #)" 10:14:01 <Sacro> ? 10:14:11 <peter1138> i am well aware that it's missing 10:14:18 <Sacro> oh, ok 10:14:58 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-149-249.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:46 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:16:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:17:08 <Celestar> hey Belugas_Gone 10:17:33 <peter1138> that's his daily timeout & reconnect 10:18:13 <Sacro> timing sponsered by Belugas_Gone 10:19:00 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:20:47 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6836 /trunk/newgrf_spritegroup.h: - Codechange: constify SpriteGroup references. These used to be non-const when we kept a reference count, which we don't do anymore. 10:21:49 <peter1138> (busy at work, see) 10:22:14 <Darkvater> LD 10:23:44 <peter1138> laserdisc? 10:24:39 <Darkvater> no 10:24:40 <Darkvater> :D 10:24:44 <hylje> CC 10:24:46 <Darkvater> just bad fingering 10:25:28 <Sacro> hylje: closed captions? 10:25:30 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:37 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:03 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:30:00 <peter1138> bah, missed some ;p 10:33:41 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:36:41 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:07 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:40:15 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:28 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6837 /trunk/ (newgrf.c newgrf_station.h): - Codechange: More const SpriteGroups missed in r6836 10:40:48 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:41:09 <peter1138> now i've done that, i bet ttdp will come up with some self-modifying action ;p 10:41:47 <Celestar> lol 10:45:04 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:47:35 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:35 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:55 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-133.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:24 <Celestar> what's wrong with this Nigel guy :S 10:57:54 <Sacro> Celestar: no idea 11:18:21 *** jez [onenight@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:22:10 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 11:30:11 *** roboboy [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:19 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@dslb-082-083-254-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:47:46 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: ) td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ (] 11:47:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:51:36 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:23 <Darkvater> :O peter1138 11:58:29 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=507633#507633 11:58:41 <peter1138> what what! 11:58:52 <peter1138> o_O 11:59:35 <Darkvater> lemme see what the actual problem is 11:59:40 <peter1138> lame 11:59:51 <Darkvater> eh gay 11:59:52 <peter1138> i'm freeing the pointer, not the data itself 12:00:05 <Darkvater> just cast it 12:00:12 <Darkvater> vs has some other crap like this 12:00:12 <peter1138> fucking MSVC bugs 12:02:01 <Celestar> we are still bothing with msvc? :) 12:04:07 <peter1138> apparently 12:05:32 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:07:12 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-147-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:10:18 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:44 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:13:11 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-149.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:22 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 12:18:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:21:41 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6838 /trunk/newgrf_spritegroup.c: - Fix (r6836): MS VC complains beecause it doesn't understand consts... (or I don't...) 12:23:16 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-142-85-200.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:35:05 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 12:43:56 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:46:23 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54886A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:57 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54886A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:01 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-170-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:18 <Darkvater> hmm the chat messages. should we keep the company colour-full-text, or be a bit more conservative. Only the player-name is in colour and the message-type and the text itself is white/gray 12:49:31 <peter1138> it would make the text more readable 12:49:47 <peter1138> dark company colours are a pain there... 12:49:55 <Darkvater> ala warcraft3 :D 12:49:56 <peter1138> make it yet another patch option ;) 12:50:00 <Darkvater> f 12:50:01 <Darkvater> u 12:50:03 <peter1138> hehe 12:50:36 <Darkvater> Celestar is back and you start wanting yapo's again 12:50:45 <Darkvater> I say he is a bad influence on you peter 12:51:04 <CIA-1> maedhros * r6839 /branches/newhouses/ (newgrf_house.c town.h town_cmd.c): [NewHouses] -Codechange: Use tile x and y values directly in OriginalTileRandomiser so it can be used by HouseGetVariable (thanks peter1138) 13:01:17 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 13:07:35 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:57 <hylje> mm.. compiling xorg 13:08:10 <hylje> what *box should i try out 13:08:34 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, text always the same colour, only nick company colour is good... i always had people complaining because i prefer dark blue as colour, and they never could read what i wrote 13:13:53 <Sionide> i agree.. similar to xchat then, all text one colour - different nicks are different colours 13:17:55 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:25:34 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 13:30:43 <Celestar> what does yapo have to do with me? 13:30:49 <jez> why not have a patch option to allow the text to be randomly coloured in each company's livery colours? 13:32:10 *** Nigel_ [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... where did this client put the standard-slap-message... 13:34:17 <peter1138> under "trout" 13:36:40 *** Nigel__ [~Nigel@202-154-151-121.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:35 <CIA-1> maedhros * r6840 /branches/newhouses/ (4 files): [NewHouses] -Codechange: Cleanup the house callback system so it no longer abuses param1 for the house id. 13:44:23 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:47:27 <Born_Acorn> yay lots of newhouses work 13:50:08 <Celestar> hm... 14:05:01 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:20 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:16 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EC1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:13:21 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:30 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 14:23:24 <Jhs> i'm trying to play ottd online with a friend... but i can't find his server (or any servers, apparently) 14:24:11 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a routing/firewall issue 14:24:18 <Jhs> yeah 14:24:44 <Eddi|zuHause> !openttd ports 14:27:34 <Jhs> i've turned off my firewall now, but it doesn't help 14:29:38 <Sionide> Jhs, are you connecting through a router? 14:30:00 <Jhs> i don't know >< (i'm a n00b at this stuff) 14:35:01 <Celestar> KUDr: are you around? 14:39:26 <KUDr> yes 14:39:31 <KUDr> wb Celestar 14:39:57 * Born_Acorn applauds the return 14:40:35 * peter1138 applauds the gosub 14:41:55 <Celestar> heyo KUDr 14:42:01 <KUDr> heya 14:43:35 * Belugas applauds the goto 14:44:08 * Eddi|zuHause gets horribly scared 14:44:36 <glx> !openttd port 14:44:37 <_42_> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advsertise) communication (outbound) 14:44:48 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: I does the same mistake each time 14:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should change the bot... 14:46:06 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:51:02 <Celestar> KUDr: any plans for newsignalling? 14:52:48 <Celestar> Jhs: if you have a router you need to check port forwarding :) 14:53:19 <Jhs> Celestar: how do i do that? >< 14:53:31 <Celestar> check manual of your router :) 14:53:33 <KUDr> Celestar: yes. But no resources yet 14:53:44 <Celestar> has nothing to do with openttd, Jhs 14:53:51 <Jhs> yeah 14:53:57 <Celestar> KUDr: ok. I volunteer for giving ideas and testing :) 14:54:07 <KUDr> ok, thanks 14:54:18 <KUDr> i will tell you when we will start 14:54:38 <KUDr> (you will see new branch) 14:54:42 <Celestar> hehe ok 14:54:59 <KUDr> i need to finish one big task 14:55:01 <Celestar> KUDr: I'll see that I get things done with bridges as well :) 14:55:08 <Celestar> but first I'll head home :) 14:55:27 <KUDr> plus one friend would help me (very good programer) 15:10:21 <Jhs> Celestar: ok, i found out that i _do_ have a router (that is a big achievement for me :) ), and was told i was supposed to open a port or something. do you have any advice (if you're still there, that is)? 15:12:17 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> you see the ports used by OTTD if you scroll up a little bit here... 15:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to set up your router to forward those to your computer 15:20:53 <Jhs> ok 15:20:56 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D188.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:22:38 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D188.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:23:24 * Jhs wonders why on earth they made this so hard. and continues to play single-player. but thanks for your effort, Eddi|zuHause and Celestar :) 15:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> this has nothing to do with the game, it's how the internet works... 15:24:25 <Jhs> i know 15:24:31 <Jhs> by "they" i mean the internet guys :) 15:24:47 <glx> it's for security 15:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it used to be "easy", but then people wrote trojans and worms 15:25:04 <glx> unless you like to see everybody access your computer 15:25:41 <Jhs> good point 15:45:46 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EC1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:10:45 <Wolf01> hi 16:16:28 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54886A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:48 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-7542.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: g2g] 16:21:32 <Steve14> good evening 16:21:35 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176110234.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:22:20 <Wolf01> nobody has a screenshot of a 4-way 3-tracks-per-way junction? 16:24:00 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5375.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:45 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 16:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that ought to be a big screenshot ;) 16:30:23 <Wolf01> doesn't matter, half zoom level is sufficient 16:30:46 <hylje> Wolf01: nah. i have a 4-tracks-per-way junction though 16:30:48 <Wolf01> (2 new zoom levels are also welcome) 16:31:01 <Wolf01> link link link 16:31:28 <Wolf01> (tell me if i start speaking like Yoda) 16:31:47 <hylje> http://hylje.fi/files/ottd/4x4-bbh.png 16:31:53 <hylje> depends on magic bridges 16:32:17 <Wolf01> :O impressive 16:35:49 <peter1138> ugly 16:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you might be better off by connecting 2 3-way-junctions 16:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> note that that connection might need higher capacity than the average line 16:39:21 *** egladil [~egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 16:39:31 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6841 /branches/newhouses/newgrf_house.c: [NewHouses] - Codechange: ignore bit 30 (always solid) for ground sprites (they always are) and actually make use of the value for building sprites. 16:41:18 *** Steve14 [~stephan@p54886A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated !] 16:44:43 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:26 <jez> is there any vaguely neat way of constructing a 2x2 junction? 16:50:08 *** Guest52835 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:50:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 16:51:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:47 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3F2F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you mean by 2x2? 16:54:22 <peter1138> the animals 16:54:28 <peter1138> on the ark 16:56:04 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:56:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:57:25 *** glx|away is now known as glx 16:59:07 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 17:01:59 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has joined #openttd 17:03:36 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk35@pc108.host2.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:09:37 <Darkvater> hmm 17:10:26 *** mikk36 [mikk36@pc149.host5.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:27 <Darkvater> question: should chat messages be spanned over multiple (2 lines) instead of trunced? 17:10:57 <peter1138> yes 17:11:08 <peter1138> imho 17:11:14 <Darkvater> warcraft3 doesn't do it 17:11:15 * Darkvater hides 17:11:50 <hylje> i think it does 17:12:02 <Darkvater> I know it doesn'r 17:12:02 <hylje> but span it 17:12:12 <hylje> the short message limit is short 17:12:16 <Darkvater> I boot wc3 just for reference 17:12:58 <Darkvater> this is what I have to say to all that don't agree http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/Warcraft%20III/hielko_1.jpg 17:13:21 <hylje> ha 17:13:23 <Frostregen> it could just print to the full width of 640 pixels 17:13:24 <hylje> manner up 17:13:34 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/Warcraft%20III/hielko_2.jpg ^_^ 17:13:48 <Darkvater> man those were the good days 17:13:50 <hylje> hahaha 17:14:05 <peter1138> i've never played that 17:14:24 <blathijs> hey, I still play WC3 17:14:26 <hylje> you should 17:14:31 <blathijs> Those days are not over yet! 17:14:39 <Darkvater> I play it as well :D. On USEast ladder though 17:14:41 <Darkvater> noobfest :D 17:14:41 <hylje> i play wc3 too for the record 17:14:49 <hylje> us east 4v4 retarded team 17:14:57 <hylje> you can mass peon to win 17:15:17 <Darkvater> towering is for pssies 17:15:28 <hylje> did i talk about towerS? 17:16:53 <Darkvater> I assumd 17:16:56 <Darkvater> +e 17:24:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:25:03 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 17:29:27 <hylje> feature request: when a player experiences a desync once, automagically try resyncing by redownloading saved state from server. do this just once per, say, minute since some desyncs are not fixed by this (newgrf mismatches) 17:30:12 *** Guest52835 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:22 <Frostregen> maybe check the installed newgrfs on client and server, before allowing to connect 17:35:50 <hylje> that would also be quite nice 17:36:05 <hylje> that way most if not all desyncs are negated 17:38:53 <Frostregen> hmm, are there newgrfs which don't cause desyncs? 17:39:01 <Frostregen> some eyecandy stuff? 17:40:28 <hylje> we can expect most newgrf causing desyncs when mismatched 17:41:10 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 17:41:56 <peter1138> yes, there are 17:42:11 <peter1138> and we can detect them 17:43:34 <Darkvater> we can also make cookies 17:43:41 <hylje> gief kookies! 17:45:27 <Darkvater> NO! 17:46:45 <Darkvater> hmm how should I handle the chat-splits? 17:47:00 <Darkvater> obviously on word boundaries..but what to do if the whole thing is one big word? 17:47:13 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-121-080.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:16 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-147-111.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:19 <glx> isn't there a function to do that? 17:47:23 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 17:47:29 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 17:47:29 <Frostregen> !logs 17:47:36 <Darkvater> drawstringmultiline I think 17:47:48 <Darkvater> but I'm not drawing it, I'm splitting it physically 17:48:17 <Darkvater> hmm FormatStringLinebreaks 17:48:54 <SpComb> hmm... random people using !logs :P 17:49:02 * SpComb reminds himself to get going on that logs version two thing 17:49:25 <Frostregen> pc crashed within conversation ;) 17:52:11 <glx> Darkvater: yes I though of FormatStringLineBreaks 17:53:03 <SpComb> Frostregen: yeah, it's just interesting to see people that I've never ever seen before using it :P 17:55:04 <Frostregen> there is a first time for everyone ;) 18:08:35 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6842 /branches/newhouses/newgrf_house.c: [NewHouses] - Codechange: Add support for specifying a colour map from the 2cc colour map range. 18:11:47 <Born_Acorn> yay newhouses! 18:11:51 <Born_Acorn> Gooooo peter1138! 18:13:46 *** Rens2Doom [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-82-210.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:17:06 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:19:26 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: 2cc for newhouses! 18:19:33 <peter1138> i dunno if anything uses it... 18:21:52 <Wolf01> what changes with the 2cc also in player's stuff? 18:29:27 <Born_Acorn> peter1138, suggest it to Zimmlock! 18:30:30 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has joined #openttd 18:37:13 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:17 <Wolf01> i was looking around the grf stuff, why don't use overlap for everything? this allow independent stuff and is possible to have combinations of sets: no more rail crossings of different kind of the other streets, possibility of placing tracks in every terrain without draw 1000000 sprites with different terrains etc... 18:37:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 18:37:46 <hylje> it would be quite versatile 18:37:58 <hylje> but also creates overhead 18:39:11 <Wolf01> yes i know, you have to draw 2 sprites instead than one, and glitches can happen like when two sets want to replace the same thing 18:45:47 *** Trenskow [~outlet@80.251.195.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:57:42 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202.154.148.202] has joined #openttd 19:01:41 <CIA-1> maedhros * r6843 /branches/newhouses/newgrf_spritegroup.h: [NewHouses] -Fix: Remove a misleading comment, since houses do not use "real" sprite groups any more. 19:11:55 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:06 <Born_Acorn> yay newhouses! 19:18:51 <peter1138> yay Born_Acorn 19:18:57 <peter1138> newBorn_Acorns 19:19:06 <hylje> yay ! 19:19:12 <hylje> eh, wut? no! 19:19:29 <Born_Acorn> :( 19:20:55 <Belugas> newCorn_Aborns! 19:22:43 <peter1138> Corn Baron! 19:23:15 <Belugas> Cron Broan! 19:23:55 <Belugas> Glaubes! 19:47:13 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:52:51 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:55 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 19:59:14 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:18 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:35 *** Guest52835 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:07:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Guest52835))] 20:08:05 *** Guest52835 is now known as Wolf01 20:13:58 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D188.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:58 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:01 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Probably doing something else] 20:14:19 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 20:31:08 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:31:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:35:46 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EC1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:37 <Darkvater> !seen bjarni 20:57:38 <_42_> Darkvater, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 3 hours 25 minutes ago (18.10. 17:32) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 1 hour there. 20:57:53 <Darkvater> bjarni why are you being so gay? 20:59:36 <Sacro> he likes the bumsex 20:59:37 <peter1138> what's the problem? 21:00:30 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:39 <lws1984> Sacro! 21:02:14 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:05:20 <CIA-1> maedhros * r6844 /branches/newhouses/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [NewHouses] -Feature: Add basic support for animated tiles. 21:05:55 <Darkvater> how do I leave a mesg? 21:06:22 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: freenode] 21:06:53 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 21:06:54 <peter1138> freenode? :P 21:07:06 <peter1138> Darkvater: how about, mailto:devs@openttd.org 21:07:16 <Darkvater> ok, /quit freenode doesn't only quit freenode ;p 21:07:21 <Darkvater> it's /disconnect 21:07:45 <lws1984> :p 21:08:00 <Darkvater> peter1138: I just want him to pick one of the autoreplace icons for the depot. He's all over the forum replying to god and all, yet uncapable of simply saying his choice 21:08:17 <peter1138> well, i can choose 21:08:43 <Darkvater> you'll do as well :) 21:08:50 <Darkvater> lemme dig up the copic 21:09:08 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=504820#504820 21:09:12 <peter1138> (i did add the current sprites, heh) 21:09:28 <Darkvater> you did? :O 21:09:40 <peter1138> to the grf, i didn't commit it 21:09:49 <peter1138> bjarni's mac powers don't let him grfcodec 21:09:54 <Darkvater> yeah, thought so 21:09:58 <Darkvater> I thought he solved that 21:12:49 <peter1138> oh yeay, new chatbox 21:13:04 <Darkvater> so which one do you like? IID or IIB look good 21:13:17 <peter1138> oh yes, url to look at 21:15:30 <peter1138> the asterisk... what is it?... obscures the train quite a lot 21:16:01 <peter1138> i like IIA, but we're not recycling ;p 21:16:18 <Darkvater> true about the asterisk 21:16:26 <Darkvater> the whole point was to get rid of 2A :) 21:16:31 <peter1138> i know 21:16:55 <peter1138> so out of IID or IIB, i chose IID 21:17:07 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 21:17:14 <peter1138> IC is ok 21:18:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:22:12 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176110234.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:22:39 <peter1138> so if i added planespeed, ttdpatch style, would i be shot? 21:23:01 <Darkvater> some people would be very upset that they can't click their planes anymore :P 21:23:12 <peter1138> can in vehicle lists 21:24:20 <Darkvater> can I ask for one condition? 21:24:28 <peter1138> hmm? 21:25:16 <Darkvater> if you're fiddling with plane speed anyways can you "fix" the showing of speed when taxiing on airports? 21:25:30 <Darkvater> cause they're doing it at about 150km/h atm 21:25:38 <Zavior> :) 21:26:13 <peter1138> it's "12" in internal units :) 21:26:51 <Darkvater> so 1C or 2D.. well we'll have to wait anyways to make pixels for the other vehicle types 21:28:28 <Darkvater> perhaps the problem is that airplane loop is called 9 times for every other loop 21:28:34 <Darkvater> if I recall corerectly 21:28:59 <peter1138> 6 21:29:10 <Darkvater> that's what I said 21:29:11 <peter1138> it's called twice for trains... 21:29:23 *** e1ko [~L@a02-0432b.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 21:29:26 <Darkvater> my keyboard just flipped it ;0 21:29:37 <hylje> :o 21:30:13 <peter1138> i don't know why it's called 6 times... seems a bit strange 21:31:27 <peter1138> hmm 21:32:10 <peter1138> oh, because the game units are out of proportion 21:32:20 <Darkvater> look into that as well :) 21:32:22 * Darkvater hides 21:32:23 <peter1138> the ttdp solution is to run it again 21:32:47 <peter1138> 4x plane speed = 4 * 6 = 24 iterations of the handler... on one tick 21:32:49 <peter1138> yewouhc 21:33:13 <Darkvater> eek 21:33:25 <Darkvater> anyone remembers 'eek the cat'? 21:33:31 <hylje> eek 21:33:39 <Darkvater> funny show aight 21:37:23 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:37:35 <Darkvater> gn 21:37:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host155-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:38:20 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 21:42:55 <CIA-1> maedhros * r6845 /branches/newhouses/newgrf_house.c: [NewHouses] -Fix (r6844): If there are no more animated tiles and the animation doesn't loop, stop at this frame. 21:48:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tschüß] 21:54:22 <Maedhros> good night 21:55:29 <Darkvater> gn 21:56:06 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-142-85-200.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:56:35 <Darkvater> hmm 21:56:44 <Darkvater> should I keep FormatStringLinebreaks in gfx.c or move it to strings.c? 21:56:59 <Darkvater> GetStringBoundingBox is also in gfx.c though... 21:57:07 <Darkvater> peter1138: how's functions.h/variables.h coming along? 22:00:12 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:11:10 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:51 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:53 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 22:24:55 *** jez [onenight@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 22:31:20 *** Progman [~progman@p5091EC1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:43 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5375.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:13 <Sacro> night all 23:15:47 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-247-143.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:38 <blathijs> Darkvater: Eek rules :-) 23:19:58 <blathijs> "Crush them! Let the archeologists sort them out!" 23:23:27 *** ThePizzaKing [~thepizzak@c211-28-170-212.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:50:11 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:37 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:57:32 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-65-118.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 23:57:46 <Neonox> Hello! 23:59:28 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984