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00:00:19 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: then why haven't you started coding it? You seems to want it badly :P 00:01:10 <Bjarni> <Sacro> im getting VS 2005 Pro next week :D <-- do you mean that your p2p download will finish next week given speed will not drop? 00:01:22 <Bjarni> I mean you claimed it to be out of financial reach of you 00:01:28 <Sacro> Bjarni: nope, i already ahve the warz0red version 00:01:34 <Sacro> but i have my MSDNAA access now 00:01:49 <Bjarni> what's that? 00:02:32 <ln-> MSDN anonymous alcoholics? 00:02:36 <Sacro> MS Developers Network Academic Allience 00:02:47 <Bjarni> ohh 00:02:51 <Naksu> ln-: worse than you thought? :) 00:03:07 <Bjarni> I think I had access to that one once as well 00:03:19 <Bjarni> they wanted to give me a whole lot of stuff I never needed 00:03:32 * ln- prefers Apple Developer Connection 00:04:48 * Sacro prefers linux 00:05:26 <ln-> well so do I, but apple is nice too. 00:05:43 <ln-> and there's no equivalent to MSDN and ADC for linux, as far as i know. 00:06:01 <Sacro> errr... no, linux is already open sourced 00:06:11 <Sacro> maybe google summer of code 00:06:45 <ln-> does it necessarily have to be related to open sourcedness? 00:07:04 <Sacro> no... but it helps 00:07:27 <Bjarni> or at least being free to download 00:07:40 <Naksu> ln-: all the mailing lists maybe 00:07:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes... that was my point, im half asleep here 00:08:07 <ln-> Bjarni: how well will OpenTTD integrate with the new Time Machine? 00:08:14 <Naksu> as i recall msdn thingies were about some mailing list, some dodgy beta software, news and some random help articles 00:08:14 <Bjarni> you can always download the newest Xcode for free, but it's not open source 00:08:26 <Naksu> time machine? 00:08:34 <Bjarni> ln-: well.... I don't know 00:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should code MB's level crossings with bars for the diagonal crossings... 00:08:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: its still a proprietory OS 00:08:39 <Bjarni> I didn't look into that yet 00:09:09 <ln-> Naksu: http://www.apple.com/fi/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html 00:09:51 * Sacro scratches 00:10:12 <ln-> "Apple provides API access to Time Machine's underlying facilities to developers can provide the same experience for accessing information in their applications." 00:11:37 *** robobed is now known as roboboy 00:11:51 * Sacro smothers roboboy with a sheet and drags him off 00:13:06 <Bjarni> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/aug_2006/event/index.html <-- they demonstrate timemachine at around 31:40 00:13:14 <Bjarni> quicktime needed for viewing 00:13:21 <Bjarni> go figure ;) 00:13:43 * Sacro wants some games for his new pc 00:13:57 * Sacro warez0rs openttd 00:14:37 <Naksu> time machine? 00:14:56 <Naksu> i'm gonna venture a guess that it's just some undelete thingy 00:15:29 <ln-> it's a lot more than that. 00:15:50 <Bjarni> ln-: actually, what would you want OpenTTD to use time machine for? 00:15:57 <Bjarni> backup of autosaves? 00:16:13 <ln-> that's the only use i can imagine. 00:16:14 <Bjarni> backup of config files? 00:16:27 <ln-> rather autosaves.. 00:16:32 <Sacro> "do a search for a program called grfcrawler using a search engine like google. " 00:16:34 <Sacro> :| 00:16:45 <Naksu> "it's a lot more than that. it's a paradigm." 00:17:36 <ln-> Time Machine is -- as far as I understand -- a version control system and a backup tool combined. 00:18:05 <ln-> i wonder if every file is versioned even if it's saved by a non-timemachine-aware program. 00:18:06 <Bjarni> Sacro: that returned www.bornacorn.com/links.shtml 00:18:30 <Sacro> Bjarni: but its not a program 00:19:33 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 00:19:33 <Sacro> !logs 00:20:04 <Sacro> hmm 00:20:23 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:32 <Sacro> lws1984! 00:20:39 <lws1984> Sacro! 00:20:44 <Sacro> i seem to have lost quakenet 00:20:50 <lws1984> i have too 00:20:54 <lws1984> were you on WinEasy? 00:21:11 <Sacro> ign.ie 00:21:22 <lws1984> hmmm 00:21:51 <Sacro> oh well, tis bedtime soon 00:22:50 <jez> Sacro: Bjarni stopped playing with your mind? 00:23:02 <ln-> off-topic: what does "diffusional explanation" mean? 00:23:17 <Sacro> jez: i found him something else toplay with 00:23:56 <jez> Sacro: wow, he'll be at that all night 00:24:17 <Sacro> jez: yep 00:32:04 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:36:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-150-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:20 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:20 *** jez [bobbit@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 00:47:45 *** dOb [tomik@addr-82-128-232-151.suomi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:16 *** tacoz [~asdf@h460d303e.area2.spcsdns.net] has joined #openttd 00:48:24 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 00:51:30 <Bjarni> damn now Sacro left :( 00:52:00 <Bjarni> <Sacro> jez: i found him something else toplay with <-- "be careful not to make your keyboard sticky" would have been a great reply :P 00:52:10 <lws1984> HAHAAHAHHA 00:52:13 *** pringles [~asdf@h460d303e.area2.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:13 *** tacoz [~asdf@h460d303e.area2.spcsdns.net] has quit [] 00:55:37 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-207-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59:50 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 01:00:43 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B37CDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:17 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@p54B3743C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:04 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:12:42 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 01:21:07 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 01:25:19 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 01:25:19 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:17 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Asleep 01:54:11 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:30:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:49 <Ailure> damn 03:31:05 <Ailure> loading some of my savegames done back in the days of vanilla TTD and TTDpatch xD 03:31:16 <Ailure> life before pre-signals 03:33:08 <Ailure> rofl 03:33:24 <Ailure> trying to load savegames from TTO was a bad idea 03:33:39 *** lws|Asleep is now known as lws|ZzZz 04:01:36 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 04:08:16 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:22:15 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:10:51 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:17:37 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:19:13 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has joined #openttd 05:23:35 <ln-> http://englishrussia.com/?p=315 05:24:44 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 06:25:12 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:42:04 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 06:49:59 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-087-94-051-34.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 07:16:54 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D0FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:23:55 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2EE8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:42 *** fusee [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 08:00:06 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 08:04:07 *** fusey [fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:07 *** fusee is now known as fusey 08:11:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host224-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:12:49 <Wolf01> hi 08:13:27 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-6645.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: edgepro: There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.] 08:15:39 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:07 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:21:00 <peter1138> hello 08:22:04 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:47 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti131310a080-6645.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 08:22:59 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:41:09 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F767.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:43 <Wolf01> peter1138, can you give me an hand with grfs for the eyecandy patch? 08:50:57 <peter1138> hmm? 08:51:38 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6972 /trunk/settings.c: - Codechange: Allow standard ini-file style comments 08:51:39 <Wolf01> i'm trying to use a gui like the newstations one to select which sprite to use with the purchase land tool 08:52:59 <peter1138> uh huh 08:54:19 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:54:48 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:57:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:59:03 <Tron> peter1138: what's a ini-file style comment? 09:01:46 <peter1138> ; 09:02:23 <peter1138> of course, it should be "standard" in quotes... 09:03:00 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:27 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-216.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:03:59 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:51 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/eyecandy_miniIN.diff is not operative yet, but you can immagine something like the newstations list with a preview of what are you placing in the map 09:12:39 <peter1138> you need all those includes? ;p 09:12:48 <Wolf01> i think not 09:14:17 <peter1138> ouch 09:14:27 <peter1138> storing a spriteid in the map :/ 09:16:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:39 <peter1138> here's a tip: don't do that :) 09:18:15 <Wolf01> is not all my work, only the gui, but i appreciate the frost's work 09:19:04 <Wolf01> and both we didn't have any idea how to make it different as it is now 09:37:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-150-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:40:25 *** jez [eidos@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:41:02 <Tron> people are stupid whiners 09:41:05 <Tron> - int selection = m_selection; 09:41:05 <Tron> - const int sm = m, sn = n; 09:41:05 <Tron> - const bool selected_m = selection == sm, selected_n = selection == sn; 09:41:05 <Tron> - if (selected_m) selection = sn; 09:41:05 <Tron> - else if (selected_n) selection = sm; 09:41:07 <Tron> - if (selected_m or selected_n) selected.call(m_selection = selection); 09:41:08 <Tron> read this code 09:41:18 <Tron> that's ugly and complicated, isn't it? 09:41:55 <Tron> i replaced it by something simpler and easier to comprehend 09:41:59 <Tron> and somebody complained! 09:42:02 <jez> Tron: are you ignoring PMs? 09:42:18 <Tron> no, but i can just type one sentence at a time 09:42:27 <Tron> but i'm ignoring you know, thanks 09:42:42 <Tron> s/know/now/ 09:42:48 <jez> why...? 09:43:15 <Sacro> :\ still... 8 hours later? 09:43:42 <Tron> ok, last answer: because you can't be patient for 30 seconds and immediatly accused me 09:43:57 <jez> oh ok, so a question is an accusation 09:43:57 <jez> heh 09:47:44 <ln-> no, but not being able to wait 30 seconds is, in my opinion. 09:48:11 <jez> take your meds. 09:50:21 <peter1138> Tron: bah, who wants simple code anyway? 09:50:35 <ln-> jez: that, in turn, was an insult. why? 09:50:40 <peter1138> if there're no triple pointers involved it's too simple :) 09:50:59 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:08 <Ailure> programmers insisted doing clever coding is the ones who also tends to cause all the bugs. :p 09:51:16 <Ailure> Remember the KISS principle 09:51:44 <Tron> peter1138: pah, three star programming is for pussies! 09:52:22 <Tron> Ailure: yep, in fact the guy who wrote the original code got it wrong the first time 09:53:16 <Ailure> heh 09:53:21 <Ailure> when I program i usually try to make it work 09:53:26 <Ailure> then I try to clean it up 09:53:28 <Ailure> then I make it effective 09:54:06 * peter1138 wonders if the price of dtv boxes will stay the same when they become compulsory 09:54:17 <Tron> Ailure: the old code was neither 09:54:36 <Ailure> Then there's no reason to keep the older code 09:54:46 <Ailure> if the newer one is both cleaner and more effective 09:54:50 <Tron> peter1138: it probably will be triplicate 09:54:59 <Tron> s/be // 09:55:19 <Ailure> I probably should dig through the code of openTTD whenever i'm not busy. 09:55:57 <Ailure> Going to sleep now though. 09:56:17 <peter1138> *sigh* 09:56:28 <peter1138> buying PC bits is too complex these days 09:56:45 <Tron> Ailure: it's not OpenTTD code 09:57:09 * peter1138 ponders fixing bjarni's autoreplace gui 09:57:17 <Ailure> ah, I was talking about coding in general. 09:58:41 <Ailure> Dosen't matter what language though, too complex code only brings problems and confusion for other programmers. 09:59:04 <Ailure> Meh, ok i'm going to sleep for real before I say anything (more) stupid. :p 09:59:53 <jez> ln-: trying to get people /kicked doesn;t become you. 10:07:21 <Sacro> peter1138: i bought mine yesterday, what are you after? 10:07:43 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:40 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:08:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 10:09:00 <peter1138> Sacro: dunno 10:09:13 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:19:46 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 10:26:13 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176114150.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:35 <CIA-1> tron * r6973 /trunk/pool.h: Add macros to easily create a pool with less code duplication and more opportunities for constant expression evaluation 10:55:30 <CIA-1> tron * r6974 /trunk/newgrf_spritegroup.c: use the pool macros for the SpriteGroup pool 10:56:06 <CIA-1> tron * r6975 /trunk/ (date.c oldloader.c openttd.c saveload.c vehicle.c vehicle.h): Use the pool macros for the Vehicle pool 11:02:46 <CIA-1> tron * r6976 /trunk/ (depot.c depot.h oldloader.c): Use the pool macros for the Depot pool 11:08:58 <CIA-1> tron * r6977 /trunk/ (engine.c engine.h saveload.c): Use the pool macros for the EngineRenew pool 11:11:41 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-252-95.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:06 <Maedhros> hello 11:32:15 <CIA-1> tron * r6978 /trunk/newgrf_sound.c: Use the pool macros for the SoundInternal pool 11:32:47 <CIA-1> tron * r6979 /trunk/ (industry.h industry_cmd.c oldloader.c openttd.c): Use the pool macros for the Industry pool 11:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> how many pools do we have? 11:36:06 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: keep counting... 11:37:37 <CIA-1> tron * r6980 /trunk/ (oldloader.c openttd.c order.h order_cmd.c saveload.c): Use the pool macros for the Order pool 11:38:56 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:51 <CIA-1> tron * r6981 /trunk/saveload.c: Use the pool macros for the Savegame pool 11:40:55 * Maedhros experiments: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/client_side_auto_semaphores.diff 11:42:02 <Sacro> Maedhros: wooyay 11:42:54 <Wolf01> semaphores before a year and then light signals? 11:43:12 <Maedhros> yup, and each multiplayer client can set the date individually 11:43:29 <Wolf01> mine too, but seem that nobody noticed it 11:44:00 <CIA-1> tron * r6982 /trunk/ (oldloader.c openttd.c signs.c signs.h): Use the pool macros for the Sign pool 11:44:13 <Maedhros> Wolf01: yours was a patch against the signal gui though wasn't it, which isn't in trunk? 11:45:38 <Wolf01> mine was for miniIN and had nothing to do with the signal gui (but it breaks the signal gui because you can't select which signal to place, but you can see the current signal and place the other with ctrl) 11:45:56 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:28 <Maedhros> ah, ok 11:47:00 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=26105&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40 11:48:24 <CIA-1> tron * r6983 /trunk/ (oldloader.c openttd.c saveload.c station.h station_cmd.c): Use the pool macros for the Station pool 11:51:43 <CIA-1> tron * r6984 /trunk/ (saveload.c station.h station_cmd.c): Use the pool macros for the RoadStop pool 11:54:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:54:30 <Wolf01> purno can you draw these for your 2cc set? 11:54:31 <Wolf01> http://www.solotreni.net/engine/album_pic.php?pic_id=173&full=true (passengers) 11:54:31 <Wolf01> http://www.e636.it/002grande.jpg (freight) 11:54:58 <CIA-1> tron * r6985 /trunk/station_cmd.c: Remove stuff forgotten in r6984 11:55:31 <CIA-1> tron * r6986 /trunk/ (oldloader.c openttd.c saveload.c town.h town_cmd.c): Use the pool macros for the Town pool 11:58:07 <Wolf01> and the 646 in old livery: http://www.treni-dintorni.com/trenidintorni/images/FS/elettrico/E%20646%20165%20tr.jpg 11:59:15 <CIA-1> tron * r6987 /trunk/ (waypoint.c waypoint.h): Use the pool macros for the Waypoint pool 12:05:24 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC60B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:38 <LSky`> =o 12:06:55 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]] 12:07:44 <CIA-1> tron * r6988 /trunk/saveload.c: Remove a layer of indirection when using the Savegame pool 12:09:14 * Maedhros struggles with his laptop in an attempt to get it to recognise his CardBus wireless card 12:10:22 <CIA-1> tron * r6989 /trunk/pool.h: Remove the unused GetItemFromPool() function 12:12:27 <CIA-1> tron * r6990 /trunk/order_cmd.c: Remove stuff forgotten in r6980 12:19:34 <peter1138> go tron :D 12:19:39 <Tron> that's all 12:25:35 <hylje> :p 12:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> ugh... train crawling with 25km/h... it could maybe use another engine... 12:26:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-126.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 12:27:08 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:29:39 <Purno> Wolf01 , that first one, is that an engine consisting of two parts? 12:29:57 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:30:28 <Wolf01> mmm not, i think is only the chassis cut 12:30:53 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:31:40 <Purno> Hmmm.... 12:31:48 <Purno> What engine is it? 12:31:59 <Wolf01> e646 12:32:25 <Purno> what country? 12:32:41 <Wolf01> italy 12:33:04 <CIA-1> tron * r6991 /trunk/yapf/fixedsizearray.hpp: Remove an unnecessary const_cast<> and incorrect comment (There is a difference between const FOO* and FOO* const) 12:33:07 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DF13.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:33:36 <Purno> ok, I'll consider it 12:33:45 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D7C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:09 <Wolf01> http://www.fantasiamodellismo.com/TreniEpoca/111pa.jpg about the 2 parts, here is a freight model of the e646 12:37:25 <Purno> the freight model is quite ugly IMO. 12:37:35 <Purno> does the passenger e646 have 2 parts too? 12:38:07 <Wolf01> is like this, only a little different 12:38:14 <Purno> nice 12:38:22 <Purno> I think I'm gonna draw it then... 12:40:37 <Wolf01> here is the e656 http://www.fantasiamodellismo.com/TreniEpoca/126pa.jpg 12:41:59 <Wolf01> as you can see all ours engines were similar 12:43:09 <Wolf01> yeah, i found a good site of railroads models 12:43:21 <CIA-1> tron * r6992 /trunk/yapf/yapf_road.cpp: Make a const_cast<> obsolete by properly propagating the type 12:44:08 <Wolf01> if you want to look for italian engines and carriages: http://www.fantasiamodellismo.com/file/treniepoca.htm 12:44:51 <KUDr> Tron: finally i understan what was wrong! thanx 12:46:27 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:04:06 <BobingAbout> i do have 1 problem 13:04:11 <BobingAbout> oops 13:08:34 <Purno> Wolf01 , consider the passenger e646 as one of the lucky ones in my set :). Could you give me the stats of it? 13:10:46 <Wolf01> yes, i'll search now 13:14:50 <Wolf01> Prototype's features 13:14:50 <Wolf01> Gauge: 1,435 mm 13:14:50 <Wolf01> Manufactured in: 1961 13:14:50 <Wolf01> Continuous service power: 3,780 Kw 13:14:50 <Wolf01> Maximum speed: 140 Km/h 13:14:51 <Wolf01> Total length: 18,290 mm 13:14:51 <Wolf01> Weight at standard load: 110,000 Kg 13:17:39 <Wolf01> ok, the same for production model 13:25:12 <Purno> how much hp is 3,780 Kw? 13:26:56 <Tron> 1hp equals 745W 13:26:57 *** Sacro is now known as Sacro|AFK 13:27:05 <Purno> thx 13:27:15 <Tron> <Wolf01> Gauge: 1,435 mm <--- hey, that's as wide as about two horses arses! 13:27:31 <Purno> so that's 3,780/745 right? 13:27:41 <Purno> 3,780/0,745 of course* 13:27:59 <Purno> 0. even 13:28:17 <Tron> no 13:28:33 <Purno> hmm... 13:28:37 <Purno> where do I make the mistake? 13:28:38 <Tron> *1000/745 13:28:53 <Purno> 3,780*0.745? 13:29:02 <Tron> no 13:29:11 <Purno> argh. 13:29:14 <Purno> I'm confused 13:29:19 <Tron> 1000/745 is a number > 1 13:29:23 <Tron> 0.745 isn't 13:29:53 <Purno> 3,780*1000/745? 13:30:13 <Tron> yes 13:30:14 <Purno> 5073? 13:30:17 <Purno> 5072 hp 13:30:24 <Purno> arg, typo 13:30:27 <Purno> 5073hp? 13:30:58 <Tron> 5069hp to be precise 13:31:16 <Tron> the factor is 745.69987 13:31:35 <Tron> hm, well, that looks like a precision error itself 13:32:22 <Maedhros> that's the same result as 3780/0.74569987, surely? ;) 13:32:28 <Tron> ok, the exact conversion factor is 745.7W/hp 13:33:48 <Purno> so, I was right at the start? :> 13:33:52 <Tron> huh? 13:34:00 <Tron> oh 13:34:09 <Tron> i didn't read your second line 13:34:24 <Purno> Ah well, thx anyways 13:39:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 13:42:49 *** glx [glx@82.245.156.124] has joined #openttd 13:42:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:06:48 <CIA-1> tron * r6993 /trunk/landscape.c: -Regression (r5833): Rails/roads on steep slopes incorrectly show a foundation edge if the NE/NW adjacent tile is a steep tile 14:12:16 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era] 14:12:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 14:13:11 <Tron> either nobody pays attention to the details or nobody uses my feature /: 14:13:47 <hylje> ?:o 14:15:04 *** lws|ZzZz is now known as lws1983 14:15:07 *** lws1983 is now known as lws1984 14:21:30 *** Sacro|AFK is now known as Sacro 14:23:59 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:25:33 <Sacro> tash! 14:28:06 *** Weirdo [~weirdo@s559112c3.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:29:05 <Sacro> !seen truelight 14:29:07 <_42_> Sacro, TrueLight was last seen joining the partyline on DorpsGek 3 days 19 hours 30 minutes ago (24.10. 18:59). 14:29:21 <Sacro> !seen werido 14:29:22 <_42_> Sacro, werido? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember werido. 14:29:25 <Sacro> !seen weirdo 14:29:26 <_42_> Sacro, weirdo is on #openttd.tgp right now. 14:29:40 <lws1984> !seen me 14:29:40 <_42_> lws1984, me? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember me. 14:29:46 <lws1984> !seen spoon 14:29:48 <_42_> lws1984, I don't remember seeing spoon. 14:29:56 <lws1984> what a boring bot 14:30:02 <lws1984> of course you won't remember seeing it 14:30:06 <lws1984> because there is no! 14:30:17 *** Sacro is now known as spoon 14:30:20 *** spoon is now known as Sacro 14:30:23 * peter1138 returns 14:30:34 <Sacro> [15:30] -_42_- lws1984 (~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net) was looking for you on #openttd 31 seconds ago (28.10. 14:29). 14:31:13 <lws1984> woaaaah 14:31:26 <Sacro> BobingAbout: ping 14:33:48 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:39 <CIA-1> tron * r6994 /trunk/aircraft_cmd.c: 14:37:39 <CIA-1> -Regression (r6291): When sending an aircrafts to a hangar the wrong bit gets tested to determine if a aircraft should stop there or just get serviced 14:37:39 <CIA-1> Also remove a stale comment 14:37:39 <CIA-1> Both spotted and fixed by Mart3p 14:38:17 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has joined #openttd 14:41:08 *** Trenskow [~outlet@85.218.143.73] has quit [] 14:53:51 <MiHaMiX> hmm 14:53:57 <MiHaMiX> seems like i've hit a bug 14:54:13 <MiHaMiX> OpenTTD window became black all of a sudden 14:55:26 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... if i wanted a catchment area that is significantly longer than a train length, which line would i search for? 15:10:22 <peter1138> what's the connection between catchment area and "a train length"? 15:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... if i place a large station, i have trouble placing it where it actually reaches the target... especially in a city 15:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> and if i place it too far away, where i have the space, i only get a few houses 15:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> plus, i have a large amount of track in the area of the station, reducing the number of houses i get further... 15:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> so i'd rather have a station with catchment radius of 20, if my station is like 8x8 big... 15:13:51 <peter1138> so you want the catchment area dependent on the station size? 15:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, that might be bonus, but i want to change my local catchment area of all stations for now... 15:14:42 <peter1138> well you're looking at FindCatchmentRadius in station_cmd.c 15:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> thanks 15:29:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> great, that even seems to work ;) 15:32:09 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096683523.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 15:32:18 <xyz> hi 15:32:42 <xyz> can anyone help me with the terraforming in openttd? 15:34:12 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:21 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-133-251.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 15:37:05 <Progman> which problem do you got? 15:38:30 <Progman> in the toolbar the 4. last symbol, the one with the river 15:42:42 <Tron> or just press "L" 15:42:44 <xyz> ieh 15:43:46 <xyz> i was wandering if there is just a function call for the Level Land 15:44:21 <xyz> i mean 15:45:04 <xyz> if i can get the same effect as the "Level Land" calling just 1 function 15:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> if anyone cares, this is what i did: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/catchment_area.diff 15:45:11 <xyz> in the source code 15:46:07 <Tron> ever tried greping for "LevelLand"? 15:46:40 <xyz> yeah 15:46:58 <xyz> but it war at about 1 oclock 15:46:59 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:47:00 <xyz> :P 15:47:34 <xyz> got it 15:47:36 <xyz> thx 15:48:39 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 15:57:29 <peter1138> pants, i didn't turn the AI off :/ 15:59:58 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F3A53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:55 *** Trenskow [~outlet@5634fe47.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:03:22 *** Trenskow [~outlet@5634fe47.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #openttd [] 16:08:59 *** xyz [ss@bas2-montreal02-1096683523.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 16:37:59 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:34 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:35 *** mucht_ [~mucht@p57A0FD72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:56:41 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:01:30 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-087-94-051-34.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 17:04:43 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-135.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 17:11:54 *** Sionide [~sphinx@cpc4-norw5-0-0-cust184.pete.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:12:51 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 17:20:52 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c16.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:20:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:21:27 <Sacro> Bjaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarni! 17:22:41 <peter1138> Bjarni: fancy fixing (one of) the replace window bugs? 17:30:40 <Bjarni> maybe 17:30:46 <Bjarni> what's in it for me? :) 17:31:34 <peter1138> the prestige of fixing a bug 17:32:03 <Bjarni> cool 17:32:07 <Bjarni> what is the bug? 17:33:47 <Bjarni> btw I plan on rewriting parts of that window, but I will finish the build window first 17:34:03 <peter1138> for non-rail vehicles, if you have nothing selected in the left window, it doesn't draw anything 17:34:27 <Bjarni> ahh that 17:34:41 <Bjarni> not urgent and I will deal with it when rewriting it 17:34:45 <peter1138> cos it checks for invalid vehicle in the wrong place 17:35:04 <Bjarni> the current code is messy, so instead of patching it, the result will be much better with a real rewrite 17:38:08 <Naksu> when did peter1138 get ops? 17:38:20 <Naksu> we're all doomed :( 17:38:58 <Bjarni> yeah 17:39:06 <Bjarni> but it's not because of peter1138 17:41:13 <XeryusTC> hmm, new doomsday theory? :) 17:43:38 <Bjarni> it's not new 17:43:42 <Bjarni> it's the nuclear bomb 17:45:34 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:46:12 <Bjarni> also Sacro found this channel 17:46:36 <Sacro> no he didnt 17:46:44 <Sacro> the channel found him 17:46:56 <Bjarni> you live in USSR? 17:47:13 <Sacro> not to my knowledge 17:47:20 * Sacro drinks vodka and plays tetris 17:47:23 <Bjarni> then you found the channel 17:47:50 <Sacro> hmm, i like vodka and tetris, and my stepmum speaks russian... now im confused 17:48:03 <Sacro> also, i nearly got hit by a skoda earlier 17:48:31 <peter1138> good ol' german engineering 17:49:18 <Sacro> peter1138: shame about the driver 17:49:26 <Sacro> and i thought skoda where more eastern than that 17:49:36 <XeryusTC> isn't skoda sweedish? 17:49:38 <Bjarni> it's a DDR vehicle 17:49:45 <Bjarni> isn't it? 17:49:53 <Sacro> ?koda, in Czech language literally meaning "damage" 17:49:59 <Sacro> makes sense... 17:50:13 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: Volvo and Saab are Swedish, but not Skoda 17:50:23 <XeryusTC> hmm 17:50:24 <Sacro> XeryusTC: nope, not even close 17:50:29 <XeryusTC> my memory is failing then :( 17:50:48 <XeryusTC> but i still know this: 17:50:52 <Sacro> they are bohemiam 17:50:54 <XeryusTC> ferrari is from switserland! 17:51:01 <glx> non 17:51:04 <Bjarni> lol 17:51:39 <Bjarni> next he will tell us that General Motors is from Brazil xD 17:51:44 *** StarLite [~Star@a82-94-26-4.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:02 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: it's from Mexico, everyone knows that... 17:52:09 *** StarLite [~Star@a82-94-26-4.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:17 <Bjarni> no, they just use Mexican workers 17:52:37 <XeryusTC> oh 17:52:43 <XeryusTC> stupid multi nationals :( 17:52:50 * XeryusTC turns communist 17:53:14 * Bjarni shoots XeryusTC 17:53:22 <Sacro> :o another .nl 17:53:23 <Bjarni> I have to protect my property 17:53:30 <peter1138> Sacro: they're all based on volkswagen stuff these days 17:53:48 <Sacro> peter1138: what? the netherlandish? 17:53:56 <peter1138> skodas :P 17:54:07 <Sacro> ah... 17:54:15 <XeryusTC> everything is volkswagen nowadyas 17:54:20 <XeryusTC> nowadays* 17:54:50 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:46 <smeding> blip! 17:56:04 <smeding> lots of Dutchies here 17:56:36 <XeryusTC> yes! invasion! 17:56:43 <XeryusTC> we will conquer you all! 17:57:12 <XeryusTC> or just p*ss the guy in charge off :P 17:57:18 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:19 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F767.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... how to teach the thing to stop small trains in the middle of the station... 18:01:30 <peter1138> easy 18:01:48 <Sacro> place carrige length markers 18:12:19 <LSky`> could anyone tell me why 4LVw are not working in the nigthlies , miniINs 18:12:28 <LSky`> at least that is what it looks like 18:13:12 <glx> LSky`: not all newgrf are working in openttd 18:13:31 <LSky`> so does this specific one not work in openttd? 18:16:01 <peter1138> hmm 18:16:09 <peter1138> it did do 18:18:35 <LSky`> hmmm 18:18:37 <peter1138> oh 18:18:52 <peter1138> just our ttdp version info is too old for it 18:19:20 <LSky`> so it will not work? 18:19:39 <Sacro> peter1138: fix it fix it fix it 18:19:47 <peter1138> but 4LVw sucks ;p 18:19:59 <LSky`> well 18:20:04 <LSky`> seeing as hovs set isnt finish 18:20:11 <LSky`> i need replacements for busses and trucks 18:20:13 <Sacro> anythig that isnt pikkabirds sucks 18:21:58 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: [ HIX-Script v2.2 ]:::[ Download from ]:::[ www.rupertonline.ca/hix/ ]:::[] 18:22:14 <peter1138> hmm 18:23:13 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:23:42 <peter1138> need to fix the string handling too 18:25:18 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:27:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:44 *** Turski [~tarmo@dsl-kpogw1-fe21df00-2.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:35:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 18:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i found a piece of code that calculates how a train should break when entering a station, but none that decides where to stop the train 18:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> and start loading 18:41:58 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: dont you mean brake? 18:42:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah 18:42:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> stupid language :p 18:42:29 <Sacro> is the stupid americans that trash it 18:43:23 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6995 /trunk/ (newgrf.c newgrf_text.c): - Codechange: NewGRF; strip bit 7 of the language ID earlier and handle handle a language ID of 0x7F as the preferred default language. 18:49:33 <peter1138> LSky`: there you go ;p 18:49:43 <peter1138> try not to complain about the buses that take oil though ;) 18:50:38 <CIA-1> peter1138 * r6996 /trunk/newgrf.c: - Codechange: Pretend to be the current version of TTDPatch. This value doesn't anything to us as we don't follow TTDPatch's development timeline... 18:51:00 <ln-> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6094782.stm 18:54:08 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:53 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:04 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:16:28 <peter1138> o_O 19:16:32 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/4lv.png 19:16:50 <glx> hmm? 19:17:15 <peter1138> silly graphics ;p 19:17:26 <hylje> :o 19:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i knew i had a reason why i hated those... :p 19:18:13 <smeding> hahaha. 19:38:05 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-137-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:05 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-157-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:16 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:54:10 <peter1138> poo 19:54:29 <peter1138> can't have ukrs, av8, 4lv & newstats at the same time ;( 20:00:53 <Sacro> peter1138: i have here... 20:04:36 <peter1138> hmm 20:08:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:14:27 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 20:29:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 20:45:57 *** jez [eidos@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 20:57:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... can anyone tell me, if what i am doing here is even remotely sensible? www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/middle_stop.diff 20:58:22 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: what are you trying to do 20:58:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> let trains stop in the middle of the platform 20:58:47 <Sacro> which is needed because... / 20:58:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> it looks like that does the job 20:58:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> because it looks nicer 20:59:05 <Sacro> hmmm.... true 20:59:18 <Sacro> would it allow split platforms with signals/crossovers in it? 20:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think so 21:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> the main formula i used here is: ahead + length/2 == behind - length/2, which denotes that the train is now exactly in the middle of the station 21:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> then some adjustments for integer calculations 21:02:10 <ln-> what if i claimed that e.g. 4 trains can stop simultaneously on a station with only two tracks? 21:02:19 <ln-> and load/unload. 21:02:34 <Sacro> !calc 524288/2 21:02:35 <_42_> Sacro: 262144.0000000000; 21:02:44 <Sacro> ooh, thats accurate 21:02:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln-: i know how you can do that ;) 21:03:15 <ln-> ok :) 21:03:32 <ln-> hmm, where did it get .000000000 from? 21:03:58 <Sacro> !calc (10/3)*3 21:03:59 <_42_> Sacro: 9.9999999999; 21:04:09 <Sacro> stupid thing 21:04:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is not stupid, it does exactly what you told it to do 21:04:39 <Sacro> but it got it wrong :( 21:04:42 <Sacro> 3/3 = 1 21:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is just not always what you wanted it to do 21:04:45 <Sacro> *10 = 10 21:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> but you did not tell it to calculate (3/3)*10 21:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> but (10/3)*3 21:05:11 <Sacro> !calc sqrt(-1) 21:05:11 <_42_> Sacro: Runtime error (func=(main), adr=4): Square root of a negative number; 21:05:51 <peter1138> !calc my_life_expectancy 21:05:53 <_42_> peter1138: 0; 21:05:56 <peter1138> :( 21:05:56 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: but (a/b)*c = (b/c)*a 21:06:08 <ln-> !calc quit 21:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: not with floating point logic 21:06:09 <_42_> ln-: no value returned 21:06:09 <Sacro> peter1138: quick, start the server 21:06:19 <peter1138> quick? 21:06:29 <peter1138> still compiling :/ 21:06:41 <Sacro> ooh fireworks 21:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> the associative law does not hold with floats 21:07:06 <Sacro> doesnt it? 21:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is exactly why such optimisations are not allowed in compilers 21:07:15 <ln-> it doesn't. 21:07:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, obviously it doesn't, you gave the proof above ;) 21:08:02 <ln-> and in general, applying maths directly to programming can give undesired results. 21:08:13 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, even though formulas would be correct in analysis, they can have lots of numeric side-effects 21:09:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-150-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> oooh, we scared him off ;) 21:10:12 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:10:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-150-161.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:10:34 <ln-> e.g. even though expression a = (-1)^n * b is a nice way to change signedness as function of n, doing the same with a = pow(-1, n) * b; can be surprisingly slow. 21:11:21 <Sacro> hmm 21:11:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> example: you have the formula (a+b)/(a^2-b^2), and the formula (a-b) 21:11:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> they are both analytically identical 21:11:54 <Sacro> yup 21:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> but if a and b are very close, the first one can easily give you divide by zero 21:12:21 <Sacro> true 21:12:44 <ln-> divide by zero is not a problem with floating points. 21:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, not a runtime-error type of problem 21:13:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> but a useful-result type of problem 21:13:31 <ln-> i.e. it won't crash the program, but the result is not very useful. 21:14:50 <peter1138> heh 21:14:55 <peter1138> a=2.1;b=2.9; 21:15:03 <peter1138> (a+b)/(a^2-b^2) -> -1.25 21:15:11 <peter1138> (a-b) -> -0.8 21:15:24 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC60B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:25 <Sacro> o_O 21:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> !calc 2.1^2-2.9^2 21:15:37 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:37 <_42_> Eddi|zuHause2: -4.00; 21:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> i meant 1/(a-b) 21:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> of course 21:16:02 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:16:29 <peter1138> of course 21:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that was not the point ;) 21:16:30 <peter1138> ;p 21:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i have no vehicles of full 8 pixel length, to test some edge-cases... 21:19:24 <peter1138> Sacro: finally ;) 21:20:54 <Sacro> peter1138: compilied? 21:21:05 <peter1138> running 21:24:55 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F767.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:23 <peter1138> hmm, messages have changed 21:25:55 <peter1138> that'll mess up the autopilot o_O 21:28:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> now i need switching yards where i can change to electric engines on hilly parts of the route... 21:29:55 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/salzbrücken.png <- it really works :) 21:36:32 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:23 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: the umlauts dont though 21:38:41 *** Spoco [Spoco@dsl-083-102-071-135.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 21:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... 21:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> bad 21:39:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/salzbruecken.png <- better ;) 21:40:24 <Sacro> ooh, clever 21:45:18 <LSky`> sweet peter1138 , long vehicles work now? 21:45:23 <peter1138> yeah 21:45:28 <peter1138> mostly 21:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> "mostly" == "they load" ;) 21:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> (and then silently fail ;)) 21:49:29 <LSky`> but not with ukrs etc :( 21:49:40 <LSky`> that pretty much makes it useless again :\ 21:52:22 <peter1138> not with ukrs? why not? 21:56:20 <Wolf01> gn 21:56:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host224-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 21:57:32 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387D456.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:08:36 <CIA-1> maedhros * r6997 /branches/newhouses/ (newgrf.c town_cmd.c): [NewHouses] -Codechange: Clear the _house_specs array and reset the house offset in ResetNewGRFData(). 22:10:51 <CIA-1> glx * r6998 /branches/MiniIN/genworld_gui.c: [MiniIN] -Fix: enable snowline setting for temperate in land generation window 22:12:18 *** LSky` [~hixscript@cc103898-a.roden1.dr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: [ HIX-Script v2.2 ]:::[ Download from ]:::[ www.rupertonline.ca/hix/ ]:::[] 22:14:31 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:25:50 <CIA-1> maedhros * r6999 /branches/newhouses/town_cmd.c: [NewHouses] -Fix (r6856): Towns should also not be able to remove "protected" buildings. 22:28:05 <Ailure> MUDSLIDE! 22:29:15 <peter1138> sandbox! :D 22:30:42 <Ailure> always amusing to see the old AI at work 22:31:05 *** jez [kitchen@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:25 <peter1138> never! 22:31:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have to second peter1138 there... 22:32:01 <Ailure> Gonna do a expriment with the old AI 22:32:07 <Ailure> I make some simple coal line so I survive 22:32:14 <glx> Ailure: old AI is only good for bug finding 22:32:15 <Ailure> then let the game run on it's own for 100 years 22:32:28 <Ailure> things like 22:32:33 <Ailure> realistic acceleration hurts the old AI 22:33:33 <Ailure> I see the AI as obstacles 22:33:36 <Ailure> not opponents :p 22:34:17 <Ailure> I usually play with the beta AI sometimes, but it magically stops working after a few years. 22:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> the ai neither makes for good obstacles nor opponents 22:34:37 <Ailure> Meh it adds challange D: 22:34:43 <Ailure> even if I wind up buying up a few companies 22:34:48 <Ailure> becuse their railroad happens to be in the way 22:34:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's an alpha ai 22:34:59 <Ailure> ah that's true 22:35:03 <Ailure> yeah alpha 22:35:29 <Sacro> multiplayer is so much better 22:35:40 <peter1138> heh 22:35:44 <peter1138> well the ai should at least work 22:36:19 <Sacro> KUDr_wrk: ping 22:36:48 *** jez9999 [monkert@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:36:56 <KUDr> ? 22:37:19 <Sacro> RIGHT, WHO COMMITTED THAT STUPID "train is lost when pathfinder cant navigate one of my junctions" patch 22:37:28 <KUDr> me 22:37:32 <Sacro> KUDr: is it possible to set YAPF to avoid waypoints if possible? 22:37:50 <peter1138> train is lost when train is lost 22:37:53 <KUDr> don't understand 22:37:56 <Sacro> peter1138: yes.. but its not lost 22:38:00 <Sacro> its just stupid 22:38:08 <KUDr> heh 22:38:11 <peter1138> it couldn't pathfind == it's lost 22:38:20 <KUDr> it is NOT stupid 22:38:22 <Sacro> KUDr: i have a junction, with 2 routes, and i want all other trains to go the 3rd, but i havent the space to add another waypoint 22:38:39 <Sacro> peter1138: they are getting confused leaving canway woods 22:38:55 <KUDr> so you got message 22:38:59 <KUDr> it is correct 22:39:08 <Sacro> KUDr: ive added a waypoint on the exit, but thats not done until it leaves, by which time its on the wrong line 22:39:12 <KUDr> disable the message if you have messy network 22:39:57 <Sacro> KUDr: is it possible to add a yapf.waypoint.penalty? 22:40:09 <Sacro> so that unless a train is specifically told to go through, it wont? 22:40:16 <KUDr> don't think so just now 22:40:35 <KUDr> try small station 22:40:43 <KUDr> this has penalty 22:41:15 *** Progman [~progman@p5091F767.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:47 <KUDr> if thies "stupid" message annoys you with your "correct" network then just disable it 22:42:13 <peter1138> actually there is one bug with it 22:42:19 <peter1138> other players see the message 22:42:33 <KUDr> it sounds better 22:42:39 <KUDr> so i have work 22:42:51 <peter1138> but i only see one "lost" message for sacro 22:42:55 <KUDr> will look at it tomorrow 22:43:41 *** jez [kitchen@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:25 <Ailure> hmm 22:44:25 <Ailure> haha 22:44:34 <Ailure> I'm getting train is lost errors in the latest nightly 22:44:42 <Ailure> ...for trains owned by the AI 22:45:10 <KUDr> Failure: it is my bug 22:45:16 <KUDr> i'll fix it 22:45:44 <Sacro> Ailure: your 2 minutes too late 22:45:46 <peter1138> hehe 22:45:51 <peter1138> pulsating landscape 22:45:54 <peter1138> lovely ai 22:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> how can ai trains get lost? 22:46:33 <Ailure> [00:42] <peter1138> actually there is one bug with it 22:46:33 <Ailure> [00:42] <peter1138> other players see the message 22:46:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> they only go back and forth 22:46:34 <Ailure> ah 22:46:36 <Ailure> missed that 22:46:38 <Ailure> haha well 22:46:40 <Ailure> I took a screenshot 22:46:43 <Ailure> I show you xD 22:47:03 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: not so, the ai is fucked 22:47:05 <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause2: AI makes 90 degrees, some players forbid trains to use 90 degree turns... 22:47:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:48:16 <Sacro> i miss PBS :( 22:48:20 <Ailure> tat's not the case 22:48:29 <Ailure> I'm trying to make this game as easy for the AI as possible 22:48:33 <Ailure> and it still manages to fuck up 22:48:57 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.243/Setfingway%20Transport,%2013th%20Jan%201953.png 22:49:01 <XeryusTC> it always does 22:49:12 <peter1138> no, it used to at least work 22:49:19 <Ailure> yeah 22:49:22 <Ailure> I don't recall it 22:49:24 <Ailure> being this screwy 22:49:40 <Ailure> it dosen't demolish stuff correctly now 22:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? 22:49:45 <Ailure> leading to random stuff being left around 22:49:59 <XeryusTC> i made an AI for ottd.gpmi once which worked :) 22:50:02 <Ailure> trains left running in and out from depots 22:50:04 <XeryusTC> but that were only RVs 22:50:12 <Ailure> becuse the AI demolished all the tracks 22:50:15 <Ailure> but didn't remove the trains 22:50:18 <Ailure> which are still running 22:50:22 <peter1138> hmm, the new ai for rvs appears to work 22:50:43 * peter1138 ponders going back to find the regressions 22:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think i ever played TTD with AI 22:51:05 <Ailure> well 22:51:11 <Ailure> it's amusing to see their landscaping 22:51:18 <Ailure> it's pulsating in a relaxing way 22:51:32 <Ailure> but it dosen't seem to have any logic behind it 22:51:41 <Ailure> it just does it randomly 22:51:45 <Ailure> until the AI think it fits 22:52:08 <Ailure> I notice that it also likes to make short trains to 22:52:23 <Ailure> leading to alot of trains with two wagons 22:52:40 <peter1138> it's always done that :) 22:52:53 <Ailure> yeah, but it's more easily noticeable 22:53:02 <Ailure> when I'm used to making trains with 20 wagons later on in the game :P 22:53:27 <peter1138> clearly the new ai works 22:53:28 <Ailure> Usually for goods transportation on seperate maglev tracks too 22:53:30 <peter1138> hmm 22:53:36 <Ailure> if i'm using UKRS 22:53:41 <peter1138> or does it 22:53:52 <peter1138> no, it doesn't 22:54:18 <peter1138> it seems to be an order problem 22:56:25 <peter1138> hmmmm 22:56:47 <Ailure> well 22:56:57 <Ailure> seems like the AI is unable to get ride of old vehicles when it trashes a line 22:57:01 <Ailure> just saw a aircraft crashing xD 22:57:11 <Ailure> "running out of fuel" 22:57:16 <Ailure> happens when they have no orders in air I belive 22:57:26 <peter1138> heh 22:57:26 <Ailure> or the orders they have is invalid 22:58:43 <peter1138> ok, my problem was probably cos i had 4lv loaded 22:58:43 *** Zr40_ [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:52 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:58:52 <peter1138> the rvs the ai uses are hardcoded 22:59:19 <peter1138> so it'll build them without regard to cargo type 22:59:27 <peter1138> and of course, a bus can't be sent to a truck stop 22:59:33 <peter1138> suppose i better fix that 23:00:08 <Ailure> haha 23:00:16 <Ailure> the AI already have built a extenstive road network over the map 23:00:40 <Ailure> whole east map is covered by a road network built by all AI companies 23:01:42 <Ailure> haha 23:01:52 <Ailure> the power plant animation looks bugged 23:01:56 <Ailure> kinda neat though 23:02:15 <peter1138> hmm? 23:02:27 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:31 <Ailure> There's two transformators on a power plant in this game 23:02:39 <Ailure> one is animating all the time rather fast 23:02:43 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:02:44 <Ailure> the other animates too, but very slow 23:08:58 <peter1138> hmm 23:09:14 <peter1138> must've been broken for a long time 23:09:19 <peter1138> 5300 doesn't do much 23:10:49 <peter1138> ooh, interesting 23:10:51 <hylje> :o 23:11:23 *** Maedhros [~jc@host81-157-252-95.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 23:11:24 <Ailure> heh 23:11:32 <Ailure> just saw yet another line where the AI did everything right 23:11:36 <Ailure> almost 23:11:39 <hylje> :o 23:11:41 <Ailure> apart from removing the train itself 23:11:49 <Ailure> so it's in the depot now but running back and forth 23:12:33 <Bjarni> speaking of poor AI 23:12:33 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/AI_dual_station.png 23:12:36 <Ailure> if AI's were allowed to sell trains without having to put them in depots 23:12:41 <Ailure> they might not put themself in deadlocks as often 23:12:53 <Ailure> hahaha 23:12:56 <Bjarni> notice that none of those stations are able to build tracks away from that location 23:12:59 <Ailure> nice screenshot 23:13:08 <Bjarni> the yellow one is blocked by the industries 23:14:58 <Bjarni> I was testing something else (other player windows or something) and the AI did this while I browsed windows. I could not help making a screenshot xD 23:15:21 <Ailure> thank god AI's can't delete industries 23:15:30 <Ailure> or they wind up deleting the industry they're going to use 23:15:33 <Bjarni> I didn't actual play that game. My own stuff was as silly as the AI stuff because it was only for testing stuff 23:16:28 * Ailure gives all AI players alot of money and pays of their loan 23:16:55 <XeryusTC> heh, on the topic of some (more) proper AI: http://xeryustc.cjb.net/ai/ 23:16:59 <Bjarni> On the fact that he is voted "the sexiest man in Denmark" over and over: "I'd rather be voted 'the sexiest man in Denmark' than 'the ugliest man in Denmark'." <-- now that's a good quote :D 23:17:02 <Ailure> haha 23:17:06 <Ailure> they pay back the loan automatically 23:17:09 <Ailure> as soon they get the money 23:17:15 <Ailure> lesse what they do with that money 23:17:18 <XeryusTC> downloading the third picture is futile btw ;) 23:18:17 <Ailure> hahaha 23:18:25 <Ailure> insane stupid expansion strategy 23:18:41 <Ailure> slowing down the game a bit even for me 23:18:52 <Ailure> though just a little bit 23:18:57 <Ailure> Running the game in constant fast forward 23:19:07 <Ailure> and it's down to normal speed 23:19:57 <Ailure> gonna be intresting what the AI would do with that amount of money 23:24:51 <glx> <Ailure> thank god AI's can't delete industries <-- they can if you enable "magic dynamite" 23:29:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-20-126.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:16 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F3A53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: YOU! 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