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00:00:04 <Bjarni> you want the AI to do an action where all clients do them in sync, but without transmitting any data? 00:00:13 <peter1138> it's the AI 00:00:26 <peter1138> it's not network safe anyway 00:00:30 <Bjarni> oh now I get the question 00:00:37 <Bjarni> hmm 00:00:41 <peter1138> but if it was, it would all be in sync 00:01:01 <Bjarni> a human player will be charged, so I don't see why it would not be charged 00:01:05 <peter1138> looks like it will get charged 00:01:07 <Bjarni> that is, if DC_EXEC is set 00:01:10 <peter1138> *nod* 00:01:17 <peter1138> bum 00:01:34 <peter1138> it's the old refit thing 00:01:47 <peter1138> it'll cost the AI money 00:02:00 <peter1138> but i can't test it before the vehicle's built 00:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't there a test for that in the autoreplace? 00:02:20 <Bjarni> what test do you want to do? 00:02:30 <Bjarni> I worked my way around it in autoreplace 00:02:33 <peter1138> test that the AI can afford it, heh 00:02:35 <Bjarni> look in vehicle.c 00:02:44 <Bjarni> oh, just refit cost 00:02:55 <Bjarni> I added a function to get refit costs for a certain EngineID 00:03:00 <peter1138> ,...,...cost = GetRefitCost(v->engine_type); 00:03:02 <peter1138> hmmmm 00:03:08 <peter1138> so it can 00:03:13 <peter1138> EEXXXXCEELLLENT 00:03:22 <peter1138> (in a creepy mr burns voice) 00:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> peter m. burns 00:03:55 <Bjarni> I had the same problem as you just had and wondered about how to solve it for a while before I wrote that function 00:03:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that explains the age ;)# 00:04:13 <peter1138> yeah 00:04:16 <Sacro> ooh my mobile goes... 00:04:36 <Sacro> aww :( it was just checking the network 00:04:45 <Bjarni> I just moved some code from the refit commands into that function and then made the refit commands call that function to get costs (to ensure that they do not get out of sync) 00:05:38 <Bjarni> pretty simple once you see how it's done, but a real pain to lack 00:06:41 <peter1138> if (RoadVehInfo(i)->cargo_type != cargo) ret += GetRefitCost(i); 00:06:44 <peter1138> :D 00:08:05 <Bjarni> tip: verify that it's a valid refit first ;) 00:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't the refit cost depend on the cargo type? 00:08:20 <peter1138> no 00:08:31 <peter1138> Bjarni: yes, that's earlier 00:08:49 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: maybe it should, but currently it's the same for all refits, nomatter what cargo type 00:08:53 <peter1138> the cargo test there is ... well, there's no cost if it's already that type 00:10:10 * peter1138 tests it 00:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't there a patch so that newgrfs could change that? 00:10:24 <peter1138> yeah 00:10:27 <peter1138> per vehicle though 00:10:30 <peter1138> not cargotype 00:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hmkay 00:11:03 <peter1138> yay, it works :D 00:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause> another AI fix the world never needed :p 00:12:02 <peter1138> this is with 4LVw, heh 00:12:23 <peter1138> a better vehicle chosing algorithm is needed though 00:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause> LV are also not needed :) 00:12:29 <peter1138> currently it picks the highest cost 00:12:42 <peter1138> and ignores speed/capacity 00:12:47 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's awfully expensive, it must be good ;) 00:13:43 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like the average dick-in-a-suit's decisive capacity :) 00:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> back to the physics patch, i think it would make for a great feature for 0.5 00:15:51 <peter1138> only if the stupid parts are removed 00:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i would not know what parts that are 00:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it adds so much more depth to the game, i would never have imagined before seeing it in action 00:29:10 <Naksu> physics patch? 00:30:44 <Sacro> yup 00:31:13 <Noldo> what kind of depth? 00:31:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to pay attention to tractive effort of engines 00:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> like driven/total axles 00:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and it makes actually sense to double up engines to haul longer trains 00:33:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and you may choose a weaker engine with higher tractive effort over a more powerful engine with low tractive effort 00:33:53 <Eddi|zuHause> because it might theoretically reach a higher speed, but it has to haul too much freight to ever get there 00:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: with stupid things you mean like the "disable speed limits" feature? 00:34:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that can really do without, afaik 00:36:04 <Zevensoft> is tractive effort like torque? 00:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is torque? 00:36:44 <Noldo> something related to rotation 00:36:44 <Zevensoft> torque is twisting force 00:36:47 <Sacro> night all 00:36:56 <Zevensoft> its very important with hauling 00:37:00 <Naksu> Zevensoft: think it's something like torque and friction 00:37:06 <Zevensoft> not enough torque and you wont go anywhere 00:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> tractive effort means how much of the generated power can be actually used, due to sliding axles and stuff 00:37:42 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-186-213.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:50 <Zevensoft> most diesel locomotives run a generator, which powers the wheels through a motor 00:38:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, friction might be the right word 00:38:28 <Zevensoft> they cant use a gearbox, because the torque of the engine and the load of the engine would tear it to shreds 00:38:30 <Eddi|zuHause> if the wheels slide, you don't transmit any force on the rails 00:38:39 <Zevensoft> hrm 00:38:47 <Zevensoft> so you want a heavy engine in that case 00:38:51 <peter1138> wheel slip :D 00:38:55 <Zevensoft> or a toothed rail 00:39:30 <peter1138> Zevensoft: that's a diesel electric 00:39:36 <Zevensoft> yes 00:39:45 <Zevensoft> which is 90% of what people call "diesel locomotive" 00:39:50 <peter1138> i wouldn't say "most" diesels are diesel electric 00:39:51 <Naksu> Zevensoft: toothed rail would have a total lifetime of one month 00:40:04 <Zevensoft> true diesel only engines arent very powerful 00:40:17 <Zevensoft> heh they use toothed rail in sweden 00:40:23 <Zevensoft> and switzerland 00:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know any diesel non-electric engines 00:40:41 <Zevensoft> shunting engines are sometimes only diesel 00:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Naksu: i believe you got a wrong idea of a toothed rail ;) 00:40:48 <Naksu> Zevensoft: i imagine you'd have to break very, very, very slowly to avoid derailing 00:40:54 <Naksu> Eddi|zuHause: maybe 00:41:09 <Zevensoft> well you dont need to break 00:41:16 <Zevensoft> they use the toothed rail on very steep grades 00:41:17 <Naksu> *brake even 00:41:22 <Zevensoft> *brake yes 00:41:22 <Zevensoft> lol 00:41:28 <peter1138> DMUs 00:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> you have normal rails on the outside, and a toothed rail in the middle, where the engine hooks a tooth wheel to go along steep slopes 00:41:43 <Zevensoft> 2 points 00:41:56 <Naksu> Eddi|zuHause: ah 00:42:09 <Naksu> that makes a lot more sense 00:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> often seen in switzerland and other montaineous areas 00:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> usually they are also narrow gauge 00:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> because in mountaneous areas you often need sharp courves 00:43:55 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-167-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> my spelling is probably not very english ;) 00:44:17 <Zevensoft> qld trains tilt on corners, otherwise they fall over XD too narrow gauge 00:44:28 <Naksu> pfft 00:44:32 <Naksu> just hack off some of the mountain 00:44:52 <Zevensoft> its not as easy as just hovering a white dot over the peak and clicking 00:44:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you often see "climbing tunnels" 00:45:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that do like a 270° turn 00:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and come out several meters above the entrance 00:45:48 <peter1138> nini 00:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> especially fun with really long trains, so you see the end going into the tunnel, while the front already comes out ;) 00:48:50 <peter1138> heh, http://fuzzle.org/o/ai2.png 00:49:57 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:06 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> if the vehicles were only scaled down by 50% 00:50:13 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:52:35 *** Stormcape [~storm@d64-180-147-192.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!] 00:54:06 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-235-21.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: night] 00:54:48 <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/71440 <-- ROFL 00:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hihi 00:56:58 <Ailure> Man 00:57:13 <Ailure> Staying up for 24+122 hours is not healthy 00:57:16 <Ailure> I can't even think 00:57:20 <Ailure> eh 24+12+2 00:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> go to bed ;) 00:57:34 <Bjarni> that's 38 hours 00:57:43 <Bjarni> and why is that not healthy? :) 00:58:16 <Bjarni> err, you mean you didn't sleep since you wrote that stuff in this channel last night??? 00:59:34 <Ailure> well I was doing some schoolwork and I was bit late and stuff :p 00:59:37 <Ailure> still isn't done even 00:59:49 <Ailure> but I'm taking a small break, before I continue the last stuff before I get to bed 01:00:16 <Eddi|zuHause> don't you like have a whole weekend in front of you?` 01:00:28 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176110004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 01:00:38 <Bjarni> maybe he goes to school 6 days a week 01:00:46 <Ailure> well there's this deadline 01:00:51 <Bjarni> and he may attend sunday school as well 01:00:58 <Ailure> I even went over it a bit for something, but I think it dosen't matter for them too much 01:01:18 <Ailure> I'm going to get it sent before it lightens up outside, then sleep 01:01:26 <Bjarni> you know, if you are tired, you work less efficient 01:01:56 <Bjarni> hehe 01:02:07 <Ailure> I'm well-aware 01:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd never put work over sleep 01:02:13 <Ailure> I can still do stuff, it just takes much longer 01:02:19 <Ailure> and now and then I get a "awake-rush" 01:02:22 <Bjarni> just reminded me of an episode I have experienced. 01:02:24 <Ailure> when I feel normal for a mment 01:02:28 <Ailure> before I wind up being sleepy again 01:02:51 <Bjarni> you know that you have been on a train for a while when you enter it in daylight and leave it in daylight, but it have been night in between 01:03:58 <Ailure> bit embrassing though 01:04:01 <Ailure> I was in the middle of college 01:04:09 <Ailure> and waved at a security guard who was passing through 01:04:17 <Ailure> We are allowed to be there during the nights 01:04:25 <Ailure> but they still have some protective measures apparently 01:05:24 <Bjarni> I tried working late at uni and a guard showed up and wanted to see the student ID cards for everybody present 01:06:39 <Ailure> lol 01:06:47 <Ailure> I was the only one there 01:07:01 <Ailure> for some reason it's mostly foreign students studying there 01:07:11 <Ailure> I only went there becuse some other buddies where studying together 01:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm gonna go sleeping 01:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "go" is exaggerated ;) 01:22:20 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 01:26:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:00 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish] 01:35:24 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has joined #openttd 01:35:24 <Ailure> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/unnamed_1st_jan_1940_135.png 01:35:44 <Ailure> This makes me miss the mars alternate graphics 01:36:03 <Ailure> I can' stand the orginal though D: It feels so backwards now 01:45:38 *** _newbie_ [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 01:50:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 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03:28:48 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:33:46 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:58 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 03:36:14 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-087-94-051-49.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 04:12:33 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-244.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:12:44 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-244.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:16:13 <PandaMojo> ,seen Celestar 04:16:18 <PandaMojo> .seen Celestar 04:16:44 <CaptObvious> Celestar's right here 04:16:52 <CaptObvious> !seen Celestar 04:17:00 <_42_> CaptObvious, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel. 04:17:00 <CaptObvious> bah, can't trigger it 04:17:03 <PandaMojo> Aha! 04:17:06 <PandaMojo> lol 04:17:11 <PandaMojo> So he is! 04:17:13 <CaptObvious> yes I can, he's just a bit slow 04:17:22 <CaptObvious> he's like 2nd in the list :P 04:17:30 <CaptObvious> how did you not notice? :) 04:17:33 <PandaMojo> I'll have you know that I'm blind :P 04:17:52 <CaptObvious> then he would have been the 2nd name read out by your screenreader :P 04:19:29 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:19:34 <PandaMojo_> and there went my network connection AGAIN >_> 04:19:55 <CaptObvious> then he would have been the 2nd name read out by your screenreader :P 04:20:04 <PandaMojo_> Quiet you :D 04:20:07 <CaptObvious> :) 04:20:24 <PandaMojo_> I... erm... muted it? Because I keep getting reconnected so often? Yeah... 04:20:30 <CaptObvious> okay, 4:20am 04:20:32 <CaptObvious> bedtime 04:20:44 * CaptObvious goes to sleep 04:21:58 <PandaMojo_> Hmm. Well the task that *was* assigned to him (which had my working patch in) is now closed as a duplicate of an unassigned bug which dosn't have any .patch links whatsoever :D 04:25:36 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:02:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 05:08:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:22:38 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:22:38 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:12 *** roboman is now known as roboboy 06:08:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 07:02:21 *** ThePizzaKing_ [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:05:41 <roboboy> hello 07:06:31 <ThePizzaKing_> hello 07:07:24 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-244.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by ThePizzaKing_))] 07:07:30 *** ThePizzaKing_ is now known as ThePizzaKing 07:27:56 <roboboy> hm my bot wont join here 07:28:07 <roboboy> as in it wont join OFTC 07:28:18 <roboboy> i keep getting server erors 08:01:22 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-178-215.vodafone-net.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:06 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 08:16:29 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:21:07 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 08:21:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:21:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 08:49:01 <peter1138> Tron: terraform bug with track on steep slope :( 08:55:16 *** Neonox [~Neonox@ip-80-226-178-215.vodafone-net.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:59:07 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:17 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:03:15 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:46 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:53 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:05:01 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:08 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-218.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 09:10:17 <Tron> peter1138: *sigh* 09:10:19 <Tron> how? 09:10:29 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:14:35 <peter1138> if you build track across the top part of a steep slope you can raise the bottom of the tile, but not lower it 09:14:57 <peter1138> nothing major thouhg 09:15:01 <peter1138> it's still valid 09:15:20 <Tron> hm, i see 09:16:01 <Tron> the interesting question is 09:16:13 <Tron> if you build a piece of rail on the lower part 09:16:22 <Tron> should you be allowed to lower the top? 09:16:44 <peter1138> hmm 09:16:52 <Tron> well, probably 09:16:58 <Tron> it doesn't alter the foundation 09:17:04 <peter1138> i see. you can, but you can't raise it afterwards, heh 09:17:22 <Tron> so there are two bugs 09:17:38 <peter1138> seems so 09:17:39 <Tron> though the interesting question is: what is the correct behaviour? 09:17:49 <peter1138> i'd say the second should be allowed and the first shouldn't 09:18:12 <Tron> so raising and lowering the top if a rail is at the lower part is ok 09:18:19 <Tron> because it doesn't change the foundation 09:18:20 <peter1138> as you say, adjust the top part doesn't affect the foundation 09:18:27 <Tron> *nod* 09:19:23 <Tron> clear_cmd.c:102 ... yuck 09:23:13 <Tron> // Nothing could be built at the steep slope 09:23:18 <Tron> *sigh* 09:37:44 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:56:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:57:25 <Wolf01> good morning 09:58:47 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5B4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:31 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:22:19 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FACE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:25 *** tormentum [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:22:32 *** tormentum [~adam@dsl-202-72-142-139.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [] 10:25:50 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.65.64] has joined #openttd 10:27:49 <peter1138> hmm 10:27:55 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:32:01 <Tron> hmhm 10:36:46 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-235-21.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:36:59 <Maedhros> morning 10:37:29 <roboboy> hello 11:05:24 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:05:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 11:08:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-225-16.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:08:47 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:48 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:30 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:09:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:09:33 * Bjarni slaps Sacro 11:12:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:01 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:01 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 11:18:42 * Sacro is not impressed wth Bjarni 11:26:58 *** jez [galactic@cpc3-stkn4-0-0-cust630.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:27:09 <jez> op-central! 11:27:24 <Sacro> :o 11:27:29 <Sacro> true# 11:28:09 * peter1138 > out 11:28:31 <Sacro> rm -f out 11:39:21 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.7/2006090918]] 11:44:49 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7059 /trunk/yapf/yapf_costbase.hpp: -Fix [FS#384]: Tunnel YAPF Penalty Incorrect. The penalty for upward slope was incorrectly applied on tunnel entrances. (Danny) 11:47:43 *** NWerensteijn [~wahahaha@2001:610:628:9:20e:cff:fe05:e88] has joined #openttd 11:48:28 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.181.89] has joined #openttd 11:55:37 *** Osai [~Osai@p54B369ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:26 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.65.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:17 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176110004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:30:24 *** lefti [~lefti@igw1.zrnko.cz] has joined #openttd 12:49:57 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:14 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 13:19:02 <Bjarni> * Sacro is not impressed wth Bjarni <-- see, I had a valid reason to slap him. I knew that he would not be nice to me all day long, so I figured that I might as well get it over with 13:19:15 <Tron> !seen Alltaken 13:19:16 <_42_> Tron, Alltaken (~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net) was last seen quitting #openttd 1 day 2 hours 41 minutes ago (03.11. 10:38) stating "Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 2.0/2006101023]" after spending 3 hours 25 minutes there. 13:19:18 <Sacro> Bjarni: you started it by slapping me, i was having a good day until then 13:19:57 <Bjarni> nahh, you would have done something bad eventually. It's in your nature 13:20:33 <Sacro> :( oh thanks 13:21:15 <Bjarni> hmm, somebody anonymous keeps sending me Emails on what stocks to buy to make a fortune 13:21:36 <Bjarni> maybe I should simply track those stocks to see if there are anything to it 13:21:56 <Sacro> hehe 13:22:11 <Bjarni> somehow if it were true, I think this guy would either: demand money for this info or buy himself and keep the profit for himself 13:22:26 <Sacro> hmm 13:22:42 <Sacro> what they do, is they get a load of people to buy the stock 13:22:46 <Bjarni> could be funny to follow some of the stocks in question to see if there are anything to it 13:22:46 <Sacro> so the share price goes up 13:22:48 <Sacro> and he sells 13:23:08 <Sacro> its illegal i think 13:23:12 <Bjarni> most likely 13:23:58 <Sacro> brb, going shopping :( 13:24:10 <Bjarni> I know one thing about it, that's illegal for sure and that's sending it out as spam mail 13:24:19 <Sacro> yep 13:25:09 <Bjarni> if the sender was in Denmark, I would have reported this to the police and he would be trialed 13:25:35 <Bjarni> or most likely just fined and he could either accept or demand a trial 13:26:32 *** lefti [~lefti@igw1.zrnko.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:32 *** lefti [~lefti@igw1.zrnko.cz] has joined #openttd 13:35:34 <roboboy> gmorning 13:35:39 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 13:41:24 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:12 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79ad1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-96-108.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:59:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 14:23:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:35:01 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FE89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 14:35:48 <lefti> h, is there any special reason why there isn't checkpoints for cars in ottd? 14:36:15 <lefti> and on one of my train station full load doesn't work. is it a bug or feature? ;) 14:38:24 <Sacro> lefti: there are no bugs... only features 14:38:46 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3DEE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:40:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:42:11 <Sacro> mmmmmmm this sandwich is amazing 14:43:48 <BobingAbout> you're a nugget 14:49:54 <lefti> and why vehicle is cloned, shared goto is changed to normal ... 14:49:59 <lefti> s/why/when/ 14:50:09 <Sacro> lefti: hold ctrl 14:54:36 <Jhs> shared goto? 15:11:27 *** lefti [~lefti@igw1.zrnko.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:41 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:28:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 15:32:39 <Zevensoft> does anyone know if the ottd palette is global? 15:33:31 <Sacro> Zevensoft: somebody will... 15:34:31 <Zevensoft> nm 15:34:37 <Zevensoft> just took a screen and used psp 15:38:20 <Zevensoft> trying to work out how it does shadowing 15:42:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82AB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81F03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:44:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:47:57 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: cya] 15:48:49 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 15:56:26 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 16:07:23 <XeryusTC> <Zevensoft> trying to work out how it does shadowing <- by using a darker color? 16:10:25 *** Progman [~progman@p5091FACE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:20 *** Bear_ [~IceChat7@pool-68-163-50-204.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:53 *** Bear_ [~IceChat7@pool-68-163-50-204.phil.east.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 17:09:14 * peter1138 ponders making a bdf of the ttd font 17:09:25 <peter1138> (or just importing some free font) 17:15:22 <Tron> iirc Simutrans has a latin-something bdf font 17:16:41 <Tron> http://tron.homeunix.org/blit/ <--- peter1138: eager to benchmark this a bit? 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20:06:59 <chu_> wouln't it be nice to see how many vehicles have a certain station in their orders? 20:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can 20:07:26 <chu_> i could imagine a small number in front of the vehicle-icon in the player_station_list-window 20:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the station window, you can get a list of vehicles going to that station 20:07:58 <chu_> yes. in the station window. i know 20:08:23 <chu_> at the moment i have 131 stations on my map 20:08:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> it should say the number of vehicles in the title of that list window 20:08:52 <chu_> it would require (*calculating*) 300 klicks at least 20:09:36 <chu_> if one station has more than one vehicle-type (aka facility), the numer of clicks increases 20:10:04 <peter1138> i suspect it would be quite slow 20:10:16 <peter1138> it would have to iterate every order of every vehicle 20:10:37 <chu_> peter at the moment, yes. there is no cache for that 20:11:27 <chu_> but i think it's possible to cache that information 20:12:21 <chu_> (away for some time) 20:12:32 <peter1138> !seen bjarni 20:12:35 <_42_> peter1138, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x50c79ad1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 6 hours 28 minutes ago (04.11. 13:44) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 2 hours 38 minutes there. 20:14:34 <Sacro> he came, he slapped me, he left :( 20:14:57 <hylje> haha 20:15:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> he probably had good reason for each of these actions ;) 20:17:23 <Sacro> 11:08 i signed on... 20:17:28 <Sacro> 11:09 he slaps me :( 20:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> and you honestly want to tell me that is not a valid reason? :p 20:20:29 <Sacro> well... i wasnt impressed 20:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... i did notice that ;) 20:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> Celestar_: i verified that the aforementioned scene is indeed missing 20:36:48 <Celestar_> Eddi|zuHause2: ok :) 20:36:57 <Celestar_> Eddi|zuHause2: thought so 20:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i don't have any background information, but if all german dubs are missing that scene, chances are, it has never been translated 20:38:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:38:54 <Celestar_> Eddi|zuHause2: possibly 20:39:04 <Celestar_> hi Purno 20:39:53 <Purno> heya Celestar 20:40:44 <Celestar_> chu_: that sounds not like a bad idea. 20:40:46 *** Jhs [~jhsdunada@ti231210a080-8116.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: cya] 20:47:00 <chu_> Celestar_: fine. i'll try it 20:54:29 <Rexxie> about to join a multiplayer game, and view the details of a company, it says the company value is £1, while ingame, the company information window shows a company value of ,123 21:03:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CE6A.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Purno has spoken] 21:05:18 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76227.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76227.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84807.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:56 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 21:33:06 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@89.14.65.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:33:07 <MeusH> hi 21:33:55 <Sacro> hey MeusH 21:34:06 <MeusH> Don't you think "Coloured newspaper" patch setting should go to configure patches -> Interface instead of Economy? It doesn't change gameplay at all 21:34:41 <Sacro> yeah, probably 21:34:59 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:35:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 21:38:54 *** dp-_ [~dp@p54B2D15E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:15 <chu_> is there a {NORMALFONT} in strgen possible? 21:43:31 <chu_> there is a {TINYFONT}, but there is no way back to normal 21:44:31 <MeusH> hmm you're right 21:44:45 <MeusH> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Format_of_langfiles#Translations_2 21:45:52 *** dp- [~dp@p54B2CF7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:00 <chu_> this is a little problem, because, i need a strings like that: "{BLACK}{TINYFONT}{NUM} {YELLOW}{TRAIN}" 21:46:18 <chu_> if course, there is no tinyfont-graphics for the train-icon# 21:49:51 <Naksu> switch it to bigfont for train-icon? :) 21:52:53 <chu_> i think bigfont is larger than normal 21:53:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:53:27 <chu_> i'll try - perhaps it behaves as a statefull automaton 21:55:03 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 22:03:08 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Doom 22:05:00 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-90.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:05:07 <chu_> bigfont doesn't work :-/ 22:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause> then make TRAIN TINYFONT NUM 22:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause> or make it 2 separate strings 22:08:55 <MeusH> chu_, try asking MiHaMiX 22:09:24 <Wolf01> gnight 22:09:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:10:54 <chu_> Eddi|zuHause: at the moment i put the number behind the icon 22:11:24 <chu_> that's the way it looks now: http://chu.in-chemnitz.de/misc/vehicle_counter.png 22:11:38 <chu_> and Celestar - there is no performance-penalty at all 22:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> can't you just use a normal sized number? 22:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it looks kinda ugly... 22:12:41 <chu_> in the depots are only tiny-numbers too 22:12:58 <chu_> but i'll change it - just for you *G* 22:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, i influenced a feature i never wanted :) 22:15:42 <chu_> update: http://chu.in-chemnitz.de/misc/vehicle_counter2.png 22:16:09 <chu_> those numbers look really big 22:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, they do... 22:16:44 *** Nubian [~nubian@193.93.73.116] has joined #openttd 22:16:45 <Eddi|zuHause> 41 busses to one station ^^ ;) 22:17:24 <Nubian> 0.4.8: http://nubian.sk/coal_oil_no_goods.sav 22:17:32 <Nubian> from actual server game on sandrabullock 22:18:12 <chu_> eddi: with multiple-bus-stops - yes 22:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Nubian: and what do we do with that information? 22:18:40 <chu_> this is the patch: http://chu.in-chemnitz.de/misc/vehicle_counter.patch 22:19:03 <chu_> tomorrow i'll put it on the bug-tracker... at the moment - good night 22:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it could need a sorting option for number of vehicles 22:19:22 <Nubian> Eddi|zuHause, anything.. possible nothing 22:30:16 <jez> Erm. 22:30:23 *** Nubian [~nubian@193.93.73.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:33 <MeusH> chu_ well it works fine 22:30:41 <MeusH> just look at MUT station 22:30:56 <MeusH> there is an image behind {TINYFONT} 22:31:27 <MeusH> Ledingbury Hafen seems to be working fine, but different than other stations 22:31:53 <MeusH> ignore that about ledingbury ^ 22:32:08 <MeusH> but anyway, there are vehicle icons behind tinyfont 22:33:34 <peter1138> huh? 22:34:40 <Eddi|zuHause> MeusH: that is, because it starts a new string for each vehicle type 22:36:20 <MeusH> hmm, how about dividing it? It would result in a more strings, but it will look fine: <name>, start a new string, <image>, start a new string <quantity> 22:36:42 <MeusH> bah, <name>, start a new string, <quantity>, start a new string <image> 22:36:42 <peter1138> isn't that what Eddi|zuHause said? 22:36:59 <MeusH> well lets start more strings to have a good result 22:37:18 <MeusH> peter1138, now images are before numbers, which AFAIK isn't good 22:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i said something like that in the very beginning ;) 22:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and before i forget it, it could need a little more space between the vehicle types 22:41:23 *** DJ_Mirage [~martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 22:43:48 *** Zr40 [~Zirconium@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:37 <Born_Acorn> peter1138! newcargos! 22:46:51 <Sacro> Born_Acorn! UKRS CO-OP 22:47:06 <Born_Acorn> I can't wait to know there is support for newcargos behind the scenes but not have any industries to produce them! 22:47:16 * Born_Acorn implodes with excitement 22:47:46 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: there is newcargoes support 22:48:04 <Born_Acorn> There's no e in newcargos! 22:48:15 <Born_Acorn> cargoe isn't a word! 22:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Öh La Palöma 22:52:16 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: ukrs co-op! 22:52:43 <Born_Acorn> I went and bought some bread from the Co-Op today! 22:53:43 <Sacro> i went to greggs 22:53:56 <Sacro> and tommorow i will go to sainsburys for milk and butter 22:54:03 <Sacro> and maybe some sausage and bacon 22:54:40 <Born_Acorn> The Co-Op is the closest to me though. 22:54:44 <Born_Acorn> In the form of a garage. 22:54:57 <Born_Acorn> The Spar is second nearest, with Sainsbury's the Third. 22:55:06 <Born_Acorn> ASDA and Tesco are about the same! 22:55:15 <Born_Acorn> at Joint fourth 22:57:46 <Sacro> hmm, for me its sainsburys, then co-up, then tesco, then asda 22:58:19 <peter1138> is it some competition? 22:58:31 <peter1138> nice terraform 'bug' 22:58:43 <peter1138> terraform land with a fence on and it stays there 22:58:50 <peter1138> moving as you terraform 22:58:57 <Ailure> [23:48] <Born_Acorn> There's no e in newcargos! 22:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> you have Spar in england? 22:59:00 <Ailure> So it's nwcargo? 22:59:07 <Born_Acorn> Yes! 22:59:23 <Eddi|zuHause> intresting ;) 22:59:23 <Born_Acorn> or, ys! 23:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> did you know that "Spar" is derived from the german word "sparen" meaning "to save"? 23:00:56 <ln-> i did. 23:02:07 <Born_Acorn> Ys! 23:02:30 <Sacro> ?koda, in Czech language literally meaning "damage" <- hehe 23:02:43 <KUDr> yes 23:02:53 <Sacro> ooh 23:03:02 <Sacro> its netto actually "Scandanavian for value"? 23:03:09 <Sacro> ive always wanted to know... 23:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a song in our repertoire called "Skoda Lasky" (or something like that) and i got told that meant something like "lost love" 23:04:51 <Born_Acorn> Eddi|zuHause, The UK has the highest number of SPAR stores. 23:05:04 <Born_Acorn> 2707! 23:05:41 <Born_Acorn> But they are more like high street shops here than big uns 23:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i do not know where the next Spar is from here... there used to be several, but i think they all closed 23:06:06 *** robobed [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:06:35 *** robobed is now known as roboboy 23:06:49 <peter1138> my local spar turned into a costcutter 23:07:02 <peter1138> but that was back in the 80s 23:07:15 <Sacro> yay costcutter 23:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> in the 80s, we did not have anything of that kind ;) 23:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it all was called "Kaufhalle" and everything had the same price 23:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> then some idiots decided to "go west" ;) 23:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> that's how all the mess started ;) 23:09:49 *** e1ko [~L@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0.5/2006091003]] 23:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> they brought us poverty, unemployment, and plastic hulls that nobody knows how to open with bare hands 23:10:11 <ln-> 2707! is a big number 23:11:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try to calculate with how many 0s that number ends ;) 23:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause> (hint: every factor dividable by 5^k adds k 0s) 23:12:55 <Sacro> ln-: 2708 is bigger 23:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> 2708 is not bigger than 2707! 23:13:27 <ln-> definitely not. 23:13:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:01 <Sacro> :O 23:15:07 <Sacro> !calc 2707 > 2708 23:15:08 <_42_> Sacro: 0; 23:15:12 <Sacro> !calc 2707 < 2708 23:15:14 <_42_> Sacro: 1; 23:15:16 <Sacro> see :D 23:15:24 <ln-> !calc 2707! 23:15:25 <_42_> ln-: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 23:15:29 <Sacro> mwahaha 23:15:34 <ln-> 2707! is approximately 1.68 * 10^8118 23:15:38 <Sacro> heh 23:15:42 <Sacro> !calc 80! 23:15:42 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 23:15:45 <Sacro> !calc 79! 23:15:46 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 23:15:51 <Sacro> !calc 9! 23:15:51 <ln-> In[3]:= Factorial[2707] // N 23:15:52 <ln-> 8118 23:15:52 <ln-> Out[3]= 1.682260664761966 10 23:15:53 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 23:15:56 <Sacro> ooh 23:15:59 <Sacro> !calc 9! 23:16:01 <_42_> Sacro: (standard_in) 2: parse error; 23:16:09 <Sacro> damn, i thought ln- was scripted 23:19:25 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: what was the railway traffic like compared to present situation? 23:20:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well... different ;) 23:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't actually have statistics ;) 23:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause> at least our family used to travel a lot by train before we got a car in '89 23:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause> there was no such thing as a high speed train 23:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> on the minor lines, usage has probably dropped 23:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> on the major lines, rather increased 23:24:39 <peter1138> is it only me who finds this 'start zoomed out' thing annoying? 23:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> no, me too. 23:25:37 <ln-> strangely enough, i don't. 23:25:57 *** DaleStan__ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has joined #openttd 23:26:02 *** DaleStan__ is now known as DaleStan 23:27:02 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: the traffic between east and west has probably increased a lot.. :) and hmm, how much electric/diesel was used back then compared to now? 23:27:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... hardly anything changed there 23:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the eastern electric engines were brand new at the time 23:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so what the DB did was take all of them to use in the west, and load off all their ancient outdated stuff in the east 23:29:26 <ln-> sounds like a plan. 23:30:07 <MeusH> bye 23:30:10 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 23:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause> which is btw. one of the worst chapters of "the change", that any bit of working industrial device was brought into the west, so basically any industry left in the east was bound to fail 23:32:27 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74.132.220.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 23:32:50 <Born_Acorn> "the change"? 23:32:59 <peter1138> the wall 23:33:10 <peter1138> by pink floyd 23:34:28 <ln-> Born_Acorn: when were you born? 23:34:46 <Born_Acorn> Ah, yes, the fall of the wall. 23:35:14 <Born_Acorn> Wasn't another major factor that the crumbling factories of the east had to conform to the standards of the West? 23:35:54 <Born_Acorn> ln-, 88 23:37:47 *** Spoco [~Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-218.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 23:55:18 *** Hagbarddenstore [~hagbard@90.224.32.143] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]