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Log for #openttd on 20th November 2006:
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00:04:12  <Naksu> i like notepad
00:04:26  <Naksu> it gets things done, with half the flicker of an equivalent linux app :)
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00:16:16  <tormentum> lol
00:16:31  <tormentum> Vim and gVim for me...
00:16:44  <tormentum> just seems to be the right tool for me
00:17:02  <tormentum> it never ceases to amaze me the number of different text editors out there
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00:17:23  <tormentum> and the subtle differences that mean all the world to their users
00:18:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's the classic "mine is bigger than yours"
00:18:48  <BFM> Best website, ever http://www.wontonway.com/microwave/microwave.html
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00:19:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's the cause for half of all the world's evils
00:20:04  <tormentum> Eddi|zuHause2: i dont think so... of course there are those who take the religious war of the text editor a little too seriously
00:20:22  <tormentum> but it's because of them that we have this massive collection of really great editors
00:20:55  <tormentum> BFM: lol... love it
00:21:00  <tormentum> ever tried any of them while pissed?
00:21:23  <BFM> nope
00:21:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, somehow i think you did not grasp the philosophic depth of my statement ;)
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00:21:48  <BFM> I should really buy a spare microwave already... setup a webcam...
00:22:14  <tormentum> i've put a cheap 50 spindle in the microwave once... was smashed at the time, seemed like a good idea...
00:22:22  <tormentum> turns out that was a sligh oversight on my part
00:22:38  <tormentum> Eddi|zuHause2: obviously not :)
00:22:52  <Naksu> BFM: best? why?
00:23:02  <Naksu> because it opens a shitload of popups if you dont have a blocker
00:23:07  <Naksu> ?
00:23:09  <BFM> Hmm, has anyone actually ever modded the microwave components into some sort of futuristic non-lazer ray gun?
00:23:27  <tormentum> yes... i burnt a large part of my back lawn with it
00:23:33  <BFM> :D
00:23:38  <tormentum> it basically becomes an ion gun
00:23:42  <tormentum> (of sorts)
00:23:56  <tormentum> i think i still have the schematics somewhere... i'll see if i can find them today
00:24:33  <Zevensoft> its not an ion gun, just a normal microwave beam
00:24:55  <tormentum> back in about 30mins... gotta drive into uni :(
00:25:04  <tormentum> got an exam today *cries*
00:25:13  <Zevensoft> find a telecommunications tower, and put your hand in front of the dish
00:25:23  <Zevensoft> see what happens ^^;
00:25:38  <tormentum> theres a darwin award for that somewhere
00:26:12  <tormentum> yeah i think ur prolly right Zevensoft, although I only used the huge transformer from the microwave... that was it
00:26:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> is that the thing for spectacularly killing yourself?
00:26:24  <tormentum> yup
00:26:42  <Zevensoft> didn't use the magnetron?
00:26:44  <tormentum> some canadian would keep himself warm by sitting inside a microwave drum on cold nights
00:27:00  <tormentum> anyways really gotta run, back soon from uni :P
00:27:00  <Zevensoft> lol
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00:27:28  <Zevensoft> thats like sitting on the top of the control rods at a nuclear reactor for warmth
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00:28:00  <BFM> I remember reading that the yanks were developing a Microwave crowd control device.
00:28:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> it definitely beats "we run seti@home to keep the pizza warm" :p
00:29:18  <Zevensoft> BFM: its sad if they could get away with it
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00:29:40  <Zevensoft> considering only a tiny bit of microwave radiation is all it takes for permanent glaucoma to settle in
00:34:13  <Zevensoft> *-glaucoma+cataract
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01:01:00  <BFM> http://yacht-maiken.blogspot.com/2006/08/stone-sea-and-volcano.html
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01:17:23  <Naksu> http://www.kamikazestoat.co.uk/argue.html timesaver
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01:20:28  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
01:20:28  <tormentum> !logs
01:26:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> Naksu: site appears to be broken in konqueror
01:35:27  <Ailure> http://194.47.44.243/Ailuro%20Transports,%2014th%20Mar%202004.png
01:35:36  <Ailure> I gotta love shuttling services
01:35:51  <Ailure> gotta love waiting lines
01:35:57  <Ailure> that covers about 50% of the route
01:37:58  <tormentum> lol that rawks
01:38:10  <tormentum> i smell an accident waiting to happen :P
01:41:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> i recognize that station :p
01:42:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> it looks slightly less ugly in transparent mode :p
01:44:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> were the planes always this huge?
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01:51:33  <Ailure> heh well it's still the same game i'm playing
01:51:46  <Ailure> and that's some planeset i'm using
01:52:42  <BFM> HAHAHAHAHAHA gotta have sound http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lNfBZTz2xQ
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02:01:22  <Ailure> I seen it already
02:01:23  <Ailure> xD
02:01:27  <Ailure> I even favved it
02:01:30  <Ailure> before it got comments
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02:07:21  <Ailure> http://194.47.44.243/Ailuro%20Transports,%2025th%20Feb%202006.png
02:07:28  <Ailure> hehe
02:07:34  <Ailure> noticeable right away when I fixed a bottleneck :p
02:11:46  <tormentum> howd u fix it?
02:17:55  <BFM> What's the minimum spec to run openttd? Thinking of buying a cheap arse laptop to play it on holidays :D
02:18:09  <Ailure> uhm
02:18:31  <Ailure> I guess you can manage to run it on a old pentium even if you don't use too many advanced features
02:18:37  <glx> BFM: it runned on my old 233MHz (but with standard map size)
02:18:51  <Ailure> If you like
02:18:59  <Ailure> buy the most cheapest but new computer you can find
02:19:15  <Ailure> you probably shouldn't worry about speed unless you like use really huge maps with over 500 trains
02:19:57  <BFM> Wonder where I can get a cheap lappy in 4 days :S
02:20:24  <Ailure> I have a severeal years old computer
02:20:37  <Ailure> I can run all of the features in minin which is probably as exprimental as you can get :p
02:20:45  <Ailure> and the few slowdowns I get is from the other programs i'm running
02:26:49  <Ailure> hehe
02:27:04  <Ailure> while it's proably more effective to make the trains dump at the power station directly
02:27:09  <Ailure> it's more neat to see all thoose trucks moving around
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02:34:42  <BFM> Fucking, The gate keeper wants everyone to turn off their computer. What a joke.
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03:44:36  <tormentum> BFM, gatekeeper?
03:45:17  <BFM> The receptionist. She put our biscuit cuboard under lock and key, and ever since that day, we've refered to her as "The Gate Keeper"
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07:10:17  <Alystair> :D
07:10:41  <Alystair> who are the jerks responsible for wasting so much of my precious free time by recreating one of my favorite games?
07:12:35  <Noldo> not me
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07:22:15  <Triffid_Hunter> Alystair: bunch of people who also considered it a favourite and were good at programming I suppose
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08:12:59  <BFM> Just downloaded the nightly build, but it's not stating the version in the top left field
08:22:00  <BFM> Can't get the mini working either... eek, what am I doing wrong >_<
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08:49:27  <Athland> hi
08:50:03  <Athland> someone here?
08:50:10  <Nigel> i am
08:50:15  <Nigel> (obviously)
08:50:18  <Athland> haha
08:50:19  <Athland> nice
08:50:19  <Athland> :P
08:50:36  <Athland> hey, u can say me what 'mod' is better, OpenTTD or TTDPatch?
08:51:03  <Nigel> i'm biased towards openttd
08:51:50  <Athland> now I'm using OpenTTD but I looking some "useful" things that are in TTDpatch and no in OpenTTD
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08:57:40  <Darkvater> he I figured out what my pc problems was :)
08:57:59  <Darkvater> seems the other gfx card didn't play nice with my SB Live! and just hung during boot
08:58:08  <Darkvater> then of course putting back the old card didn't work either
08:58:16  <Darkvater> and now the soundcard is not working ;p
08:59:19  <Athland> when Pre-signal PBS are implemented on OpenTTD?
09:00:12  <Nigel> Athland, errr 'when they are'
09:00:26  <Athland> ouch
09:00:30  <Athland> but u understanded me? xDD
09:00:51  <Nigel> yes i did... and my answer err answered it
09:01:00  <Nigel> stuff gets implemented when it's ready it seems
09:01:14  <Athland> lol, but I no understand, PBS works correctly now...
09:02:07  <BFM> I can't get the miniIN working :(
09:02:31  <BFM> I install 0.4.8, then, I open up the miniIN zip and cut and paste all files into the 0.4.8 folder, but still no go
09:03:56  <Darkvater> perhaps it's broken?
09:05:02  <BFM> not too sure. I've gotten old version to work, but that was months ago
09:05:10  <BFM> Thought I'd give the latest a whirl.
09:05:25  <Darkvater> does it say anything? does it even start up?
09:07:11  <Nigel> Darkvater, is it possible to get my patch (http://bugs.openttd.org/task/412) put into trunk?
09:08:22  <Athland> anyone know a good page with a full list of all GRF's that has been released?
09:08:58  <Nigel> Athland, wiki has a list, also, pbs is in MiniIN
09:09:07  <Darkvater> Nigel: what's it do?
09:09:51  <Nigel> Darkvater, fixes a small interface bug
09:09:54  <Athland> weah, but I need a totally full list, have a lot of GRF that no appears on wiki..
09:09:57  <blathijs> Darkvater: looks okay on first glance
09:10:10  <blathijs> Darkvater: (Only two lines0
09:10:18  <Darkvater> Nigel: what interface bug? Please be more verbose
09:10:29  <Darkvater> blathijs: pooooooool ^^
09:10:32  <Nigel> refer to a current build, open the stations list, and note how the "no packets" button isn't depressed like it should be
09:10:59  * Darkvater tries a mental run
09:11:03  <Darkvater> 'no packets'?
09:11:03  <blathijs> Darkvater: Not gonna happen this week, I'm afraid
09:11:05  <Nigel> basically, this just makes the 'NO' button depressed when it should be
09:11:48  <Nigel> Darkvater, will the stations list, so stations with coal packets etc waiting, as well as stations without any cargo (represented by the button 'NO'
09:11:51  <Darkvater> well i cannot test anything @work
09:12:17  <Darkvater> hmm are you sure that is a bug?
09:12:25  <Darkvater> ALL: show ALL stations with or without cargo
09:12:31  <Darkvater> NO: show only stations without any cargo
09:13:27  <Nigel> Darkvater, yes it is... because ALL includes all stations with packets (CO, etc) and packets with NO packets
09:13:47  <Darkvater> so the bug is that pressing ALL doesn't press NO?
09:14:06  <Nigel> correct, and when the window loads NO isn't depressed
09:14:12  <Darkvater> ah I see
09:14:33  <Darkvater> well i cannot test but if someone with commit access can test it (eg ingame) and says it's ok it can go
09:14:51  <Nigel> also, using NUM_CARGO + 1 is correct in this situation
09:14:53  <Athland> someone have all GRF's on their OTTD?
09:15:37  <Darkvater> Athland: there are a few GRF's that come bundled with ottd, all the others you need to find yourself and install to your liking
09:15:59  <Athland> I have some now, but I'm not sure if exists any 'good' GRF that I no have...
09:16:07  <Darkvater> :)
09:16:07  <Athland> for example, cargos, os something that
09:16:11  <Darkvater> look at the forums
09:16:14  <Darkvater> or grfcrawler
09:16:27  <Athland> i 'emptied' those webs .p
09:16:37  <Athland> but in some screens I looked a petrol depot
09:16:41  <Athland> that I no have...
09:16:44  <Darkvater> SAC?
09:16:49  <Athland> I think
09:16:52  <Athland> yes
09:16:53  <Darkvater> not released
09:16:58  <Darkvater> read thread
09:16:59  <Athland> and in other screen
09:17:04  <Athland> that not are from SAC
09:19:25  <Athland> i think.. Aegir
09:19:26  <Athland> have this
09:19:31  <Darkvater> ah Aegir's stations
09:19:36  <Athland> look http://www.tt-forums.net/files/6_137.png
09:19:48  <Athland> the petrol & truck depot
09:20:12  <Darkvater> ah...
09:20:31  <Athland> what are this?
09:20:32  <Darkvater> there's a thread in the ttdp graphics forum I believe where you can ask for grf's on where to find certain ones
09:20:44  <Athland> but i have OpentTD
09:20:50  <Darkvater> so?
09:21:00  <Athland> I can use on OpenTTD if are programed for TTDPatch?
09:21:04  <Darkvater> About 99% of the NewGRF files are made for TTDPatch
09:21:12  <Athland> lol
09:21:23  <peter1138> heh
09:21:26  <peter1138> morning
09:21:30  <Athland> now I have this GRF say me if i no have a 'nice' GRF
09:21:31  <Darkvater> morning
09:21:50  <Athland> Toyland2MarsW.grf
09:21:57  <Athland> TTRS3w.grf
09:21:57  <Athland> newtown_415.grf
09:22:08  <Athland> #brp.grf
09:22:08  <Athland> newoffice.grf
09:22:23  <Athland> uhm, what's brp.grf? i have it on the cfg but I no have this grf
09:22:28  <BFM> Hey Darkvater, It starts up as ver 0.4.8.
09:22:43  <Darkvater> BFM: don't think you replaced the executable then
09:22:59  <BFM> let me double check it now
09:23:07  <Athland> how I can install a .diff / .patch file?
09:23:16  <Athland> I looking a lot of "features" with this format
09:23:18  <Athland> :(
09:24:08  <BFM> hmm, it seems there's no exe in the latest miniIN!
09:24:29  <Athland> how can I install .diff / .patch?
09:25:06  <Darkvater> you think we cannot read up 5 lines Athland that you have to repeat yourself continously?
09:25:17  <Athland> :?
09:25:38  <Athland> only repeated one time because i'm not sure if the other "copied" or not
09:25:44  <Athland> .....
09:26:08  <Athland> don't eat me :S
09:26:56  <Athland> but, u know?
09:27:05  <Darkvater> a .diff/.patch file is a DIFFerence to a source file. You need to apply it, then compile openttd yourself
09:27:14  <Athland> how?
09:27:21  <Darkvater> look in the wiki
09:27:27  <Darkvater> wiki.openttd.org
09:27:29  <Athland> ... for "noobs" I can't no?
09:27:30  <Athland> .p
09:27:34  <Athland> is only for programmers?
09:27:40  <Darkvater> depends how "noob" you are
09:27:47  <Athland> ... a lot I think
09:27:48  <Athland> hahaha
09:27:56  <Athland> totally noob now
09:27:57  <Athland> .p
09:28:04  <BFM> Reverted to the last version, seems to be working :D
09:28:11  <BFM> *last version before the latest*
09:28:42  <BFM> 0.4.8 - r7176
09:29:08  <Athland> I have OpenTTD 0.4.8 + MiniIN + OpenTTD r7123 (Quark)
09:29:25  <BFM> link to miniIn?
09:29:42  <BFM> The one I tried, has a zip file that doesn't seem to contain the right goods.
09:29:47  <Athland> in forumsa
09:29:51  <BFM> kk
09:30:14  <Athland> svn://svn.openttd.org/branch/MiniIN.
09:30:22  <peter1138> heh
09:30:23  <Athland> ops
09:30:25  <Athland> this is a svn
09:30:26  <Athland> wait
09:30:36  <Athland> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/
09:30:47  <peter1138> truelight doesn't have crosscompiled fontconfig
09:30:51  <BFM> yes, these are the files I tried
09:30:52  <peter1138> so the nightlies won't work
09:30:53  <BFM> No go
09:30:55  <Darkvater> thought so
09:31:16  <Athland> I have this and works...
09:33:19  <BFM> I'm using the zip version
09:33:24  <Athland> have any grf with more cargo's compatible with dbset or us set?
09:33:28  <BFM> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/OTTD-source-doc-MiniIN-r7217-MiniIN.zip
09:33:32  <Athland> me too
09:33:45  <Athland> is the file that i downloaded
09:33:47  <Athland> no
09:33:51  <Athland> this is a document
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09:34:10  <Athland> http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/OTTD-source-MiniIN-r7217-MiniIN.zip
09:34:19  <Darkvater> that's source
09:34:31  <Athland> download this
09:34:36  <Athland> is the file that i downloaded
09:34:51  <BFM> sorry, yes, that one too, was no go
09:34:54  <BFM> let me retry again
09:35:20  <BFM> Still only runs openttd r7176
09:35:27  <BFM> with no miniIN tapped onto the end
09:36:07  <Athland> I downloaded this miniIn and works correct..
09:36:15  <Athland> but I donwloaded the Quark modification...
09:36:22  <Athland> after miniIN
09:36:25  <Athland> that add some things
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09:36:54  <BFM> orly
09:37:04  <BFM> Maybe the quark mod made it work?
09:37:16  <Athland> don't know
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09:37:43  <Athland> but quark mod have other .exer
09:37:58  * Thechasebot m00s loudly at the collected herd
09:39:00  <Thechasebot> is teh ottd better than teh ttpatch?
09:39:11  <Athland> is different
09:39:13  <BFM> openttd is great
09:39:21  <Athland> openTTD is very great
09:39:25  <BFM> :D
09:39:27  <Athland> but TTDPatch have more features
09:39:46  <Thechasebot> TTDpatch? not ttpatch?
09:39:59  <BFM> Ok ok. So I do fresh install of 0.4.8, works fine. Then, to get the miniIN mod, I simply download the zip, copy all the files, and past into the 0.4.8 directory?
09:40:01  <Athland> TTDPatch
09:40:17  <Thechasebot> oh, coolies :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
09:40:25  <Athland>  BFM yes
09:40:40  <BFM> Cause that's what I did a few months ago and it worked fine, but, now it's not working...
09:40:49  <Thechasebot> why pbs and presig isn't in openttd
09:41:16  <Zaviori> Presignals are in ottd
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09:41:30  <Athland> presignals are in openttd
09:41:31  <Athland> but
09:41:39  <Athland> PBS are in nightly version but no with presignals
09:41:48  <Zaviori> Is pbs in nightly?
09:41:51  <Athland> yes
09:42:00  <Moskau> Ooh, Zaviori :D
09:42:04  <Athland> but
09:42:05  <Thechasebot> nightly?
09:42:07  <Zaviori> Didn't know that, I only knew that the old pbs was in mini-in
09:42:07  <Athland> not with presignals
09:42:24  <Athland> I mean miniIN nightly
09:42:25  <Athland> .p
09:42:28  <Athland> sorry
09:42:29  <Zaviori> Ooh, skeedles
09:42:29  <Athland> haha
09:42:35  <Zaviori> What is miniIn nightly?
09:43:01  <BFM> I do a screen shot
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09:43:25  <Athland> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/athland_logistics_ltd_8_jul_1949_507.png
09:43:27  <Athland> PBS system
09:43:28  <Athland> ^^
09:44:00  <Zaviori> Yes I do know what pbs is
09:44:18  <Athland> is for u see that works
09:44:19  <Athland> ;)
09:44:36  <BFM> http://burningfeetman.googlepages.com/openttd.PNG\
09:44:36  <Zaviori> But is that from mini-in or a nightly?
09:44:38  <BFM> http://burningfeetman.googlepages.com/openttd.PNG
09:44:42  <BFM> There's a screen shot
09:44:43  <Athland> miniIN nightly
09:45:00  <Athland> lol
09:45:07  <Athland> u use source code version of OpenTTD?
09:45:28  <Moskau> lamar
09:45:29  <BFM> That's what I figured it was, hence why it wasn't working :(
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09:45:37  <BFM> but can't find compiled code
09:45:39  <Tyrantos> hi guys!
09:45:47  <Athland> I no use source code version sorry
09:46:08  <Moskau> SUP MAH HOMIE
09:46:30  <Tyrantos> MOSKAU!
09:46:32  <Darkvater> peter1138: I had a think about getting back the 'build vehicle' button on the vehicle-list
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09:46:43  <roboboy> is anyone using xchat
09:46:47  <Moskau> Aww damn.
09:47:04  <Athland> i would see 32bpp OpenTTD... :-]__
09:47:05  <Darkvater> peter1138: how about having the 'build-vehicle' button on the left, and a dropdown box with 'send to depot & autoreplace' on the right of the vehicle-list window?
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09:47:17  <Athland> one thing
09:47:25  <Athland> Cargo/Passenger destination for 0.6.0
09:47:30  <Athland> I have Passenger destination :S
09:47:42  <Darkvater> the only question remains, well actually 2, is if that build-window opened from there should actually build vehicles when you have a depot, or should be read-only?
09:48:10  <Tron> are you talking about the global vehicle list "build vehicle" button?
09:48:12  <Darkvater> and that I think the most sensible thing is to have the 'build vehicle' button only on the global vehicle list, and not in all the other subwindows (shared orders, station list, etc.)
09:48:17  <Darkvater> yes
09:48:32  <Tron> mom
09:48:54  <Moskau> :o
09:49:05  <Tron> !opennttd commit 4940
09:49:11  <Tron> !openttd commit 4940
09:49:15  <_42_> Commit by tron :: r4940 /trunk/ (11 files) (2006-05-21 13:51:36 UTC)
09:49:17  <_42_> Remove the dubious feature of remembering the last built depot. It serves no real purpose except causing confusion
09:49:35  <Athland> why Cargo/Passenger destination is roadmap for 0.6.0 version if I have now Passenger destinations
09:49:43  <Darkvater> Tron: yes well, that was why I asked
09:49:50  <Darkvater> cause I think it should be look-only
09:50:04  <Tron> it was since r4940
09:50:08  <Darkvater> Athland: because that destination-feature is not in the "official" build?
09:50:11  <Tron> till /somebody/ removed it altogether
09:50:17  <Athland> ahm
09:50:21  <Athland> okok
09:50:26  <Athland> but have in "add-on" no?
09:50:28  <Athland> ok
09:50:53  <Darkvater> Tron: well with regards to 0.4.8 it's still build-also
09:51:14  <Tron> i removed it for good
09:51:18  <Athland> exist any grf that add more industries for openttd?
09:51:24  <Athland> and compatible with dbset or usset
09:51:36  <Darkvater> nothing an svn merge cannot solve :)
09:51:41  <Darkvater> but it should stay look-only
09:51:44  <Athland> :S
09:51:45  <Darkvater> Athland: no support
09:51:54  <Tron> tell my one reason why it could be useful
09:51:56  <Athland> no have? :(
09:52:11  <Darkvater> no have, club must food eat now!
09:52:14  <Tron> i'm watching the universe dying the heat death while you're thinking
09:52:49  <Darkvater> it can confuse new users so they come here and we can laugh at them
09:52:59  <Darkvater> I think that is a very pression reason to have it in there
09:57:36  <peter1138> Darkvater: could work
09:58:47  <peter1138> it turns out i do miss it
09:58:50  <peter1138> not for building
09:58:56  <peter1138> but just to see what's available
09:59:13  <Athland> when the feature "town build no roads" are applied to OpenTTD?
09:59:27  <peter1138> you mean
09:59:36  <peter1138> when will the feature "town build no roads" be applied to OpenTTD?
09:59:41  <Moskau> Townbuildnohouses?
09:59:47  <Athland> noroads
09:59:52  <Moskau> no houses.
09:59:56  <Athland> no roads
09:59:57  <peter1138> whatever that feature is
10:00:03  <Athland> not the same
10:00:09  <Athland> no houses than no roads...
10:00:16  <Moskau> Thanks captain obvious :D
10:00:31  <Athland> ^^
10:01:00  <Tron> <peter1138> it turns out i do miss it <--- me too, i have no idea why it was removed, it seems there isn't even a log entry about ut
10:01:03  <Tron> s/ut/it/
10:01:30  <Darkvater> I think there is...slightly hidden inside bjarni's essays
10:01:39  <Darkvater> KUDr: ping
10:01:58  <Darkvater> peter1138: yes, that's what I used for as well
10:02:13  <Darkvater> anyone has 0.4.8 / TTDPatch running?
10:02:14  <Zaviori> Athland, that isn't the pbs that is hopefully going to be in the trunk
10:02:23  <Athland> ?
10:02:40  <Zaviori> On the mini-in nightly
10:02:45  <Athland> I say that PBS works in MiniIN Nightly
10:02:55  <Athland> but the PBS no have pre-signal+PBS
10:03:00  <Athland> only PBS or Pre-signal
10:03:43  <peter1138> i say that it's buggy
10:03:49  <peter1138> and that's why it is not in trnk
10:03:54  <peter1138> TRNK!
10:04:15  <Athland> buggy? i no looked any bug... :s
10:04:20  <peter1138> not to mention it only works with NPF
10:04:30  <Athland> this yes, no works with YAPF
10:04:53  <Athland> but I no know the difference between YAPF and NPF
10:05:39  <Tron> Darkvater: i can't find any hint about it
10:05:57  <Darkvater> hmm, I thought it was there somewhere
10:06:09  <Darkvater> or it was just during discussion that it popped up
10:06:14  <Athland> peter1138 what difference are between YAPF and NPF?
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10:15:27  <Darkvater> peter1138: good, then I'll wip up a GUI at home to see how it works out
10:15:32  <Darkvater> now where is KUDr
10:15:34  <Darkvater> !seen KUDr
10:15:34  <_42_> Darkvater, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
10:15:37  <Darkvater> idiot
10:15:46  <Darkvater> at least tell me how long someone's been idle
10:18:19  <peter1138> hee
10:29:19  <blathijs> 01:05 < KUDr> ends with 3
10:29:33  <blathijs> (Sunday)
10:30:08  <blathijs> Darkvater: ^^
10:30:11  * blathijs is off again
10:32:10  <Darkvater> blathijs: ?
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10:36:03  <peter1138> hmm
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10:52:06  <Athland> one question
10:52:22  <Athland> why in 1953, every piece of track costs me 1.000.000 PTS?
10:52:54  <Athland> in dollars 10.000 $
10:52:57  <Athland> :S
10:53:12  <peter1138> inflation?
10:53:18  <Athland> inflation?
10:53:40  <Athland> omg
10:53:52  <Athland> but increases a lot... extremely..
10:53:58  <peter1138> otoh, if you're playing with the MiniIN, who knows
10:54:08  <Athland> yes, i playing with miniIN
10:54:11  <Darkvater> newprices!
10:55:05  <Athland> lol
10:55:28  <peter1138> well then read the manual about it
10:55:46  <peter1138> and don't pester us with it
10:56:12  <Athland> i see...
10:56:18  <Athland> now a piece costs me 15.000$
10:56:20  <Athland> o_O'
10:57:59  <Athland> if I no build in few months the costs of track decreases no?
10:58:01  <Athland> kk
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11:06:07  <Athland> maintenance is too expensive
11:06:53  <Athland> (property)
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11:08:18  <Darkvater> Athland: we cannot help you with the miniin, you have to go report these things in the MiniIN problems thread on the forums
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11:08:56  <Athland> oks
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11:09:17  <Brianetta> There should be a #miniin
11:10:53  <Darkvater> morning Belugas_Gone
11:11:00  <Darkvater> Brianetta: is team-chat satisfactory?
11:11:31  <Brianetta> Darkvater: I can tell you tonight
11:11:35  <Brianetta> Haven't played for a bit
11:12:06  <Brianetta> I know it's easy enough that people chat in-team on openttdcoop games and autopilot logs a one-sided conversation (:
11:12:10  <Brianetta> so something must be right
11:13:07  <Tron> "I'm on ur serverz, reading ur logz"
11:13:51  <Darkvater> I didn't know but even PM and teamchat is not safe from the server
11:13:52  <Athland>  Darkvater u think that presignal pbs could be add soon?
11:14:17  <peter1138> o_O
11:14:22  <Darkvater> eg even those are sent to the server first then sent to target. If you modify your server you can listen in
11:14:49  <Darkvater> Athland: donnu
11:15:01  <peter1138> pbs will not be added until a rewrite happens
11:15:24  <Athland> but in MiniIN are added, but not have presignals... :(
11:15:34  <peter1138> 11:10 < Darkvater> Athland: we cannot help you with the miniin, you have to go report these things in the MiniIN problems thread on the forums
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11:16:05  <Athland> peter1138 ¿? I speaking about OpenTTD...
11:16:11  <Athland> not of MiniIN...
11:16:18  <peter1138> openttd does not have pbs
11:16:39  <Athland> i know, for this reason i say, when can be added pbs with presignal in OTTD
11:16:46  <Athland> ;)
11:17:02  <peter1138> well, perhaps if somebody wrote it it could be added
11:17:20  <Athland> but no one making it now?
11:17:24  <peter1138> no
11:17:33  <Athland> :(
11:17:54  <Nigel> Athland, there is a pbs branch in svn
11:18:03  <Nigel> although, it looks outdated
11:18:11  <Athland> i don't know how use svn :S
11:18:33  <peter1138> it is. it was left there for someone to continue to develope
11:18:34  <peter1138> -e
11:18:45  <Athland> and other question... in OpenTTD "Town build no roads" are implemented?
11:19:19  <peter1138> ?>
11:19:26  <peter1138> no
11:19:32  <peter1138> towns always build roads
11:19:32  <Athland> ouch
11:19:36  <peter1138> else they can't expand
11:19:39  <Athland> i see
11:19:51  <Athland> but i will this feature
11:19:52  <Athland> :(
11:19:57  <Athland> to expand my own city
11:19:59  <Athland> .p
11:20:17  <peter1138> if you lay out roads for a city, it generally won't bother building its own
11:20:33  <peter1138> but "own city" is nonsense
11:20:43  <peter1138> you don't own cities any more than you own industries
11:21:02  <Athland> yea, but... I build it how i would
11:21:12  <Athland> ah other thing
11:21:22  <Athland> is possible to make one way roads?
11:21:31  <peter1138> no
11:21:36  <Zevensoft> there needs to be a way to increase the street grid size
11:22:03  <Athland> not possible or not "thinked" to make
11:22:04  <peter1138> needs to be?
11:22:09  <Zevensoft> yah
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11:22:21  <Athland> highways
11:22:23  <Athland> ^^
11:22:29  <Nigel> oh god...
11:22:40  <Nigel> can someone get me a can of anti-freeze
11:22:44  <Athland> lol
11:22:48  <Athland> what happens
11:22:52  <Athland> is only ideads...
11:23:01  <Athland> are only ideas...
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11:27:16  <Athland> http://www.tt-forums.net//files/athland_logistics_ltd_22_dic_1992_127.png
11:28:03  <Zevensoft> :O what grfs do you use
11:28:11  <Athland> a lot
11:28:12  <Athland> xDD
11:28:27  <Zevensoft> D: can I see your list? ?:D
11:28:39  <Athland> sure
11:29:00  <Athland> dcc
11:29:13  <Zevensoft> k
11:29:35  <Zevensoft> wowsers
11:29:51  <Zevensoft> these work with ottd? or just ttdpatch
11:29:58  <Darkvater> see the >>
11:30:01  <Athland> openttd
11:30:05  <Darkvater> that's openttd-exclusive
11:30:10  <Darkvater> (fastforward button)
11:30:16  <Zevensoft> ah
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11:30:34  <Athland> and a very useful feature
11:30:35  <Athland> :P
11:31:13  <Zevensoft> now I've got to spend some time on google getting these grf files :D
11:31:22  <Athland> lol
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11:31:40  <Athland> all of these grf are in grf crawler and tt-forums
11:32:02  <Athland> and george's web
11:32:23  <Athland>  Darkvater
11:32:40  <Athland> the problem with cheat of money that increases a lot the costs, is in OpenTTD or in MiniIN?
11:34:01  <Darkvater> cheat money only gives you more money, does nothing to costs
11:34:17  <Darkvater> Athland: reall, if you are playing with miniin you need to ask them not us
11:34:25  <Athland> yes but
11:34:29  <Darkvater> and them I mean the problems thread on the forum
11:34:30  <Darkvater> no but
11:34:43  <Athland> but i don't know if is a bug of openttd or miniIN
11:34:48  <Athland> when u make cheat moneyt
11:34:57  <Athland> the property costs increases a lot extremely a lot
11:35:27  <Athland> and i'm not sure if is from OpenTTD or MiniIN
11:35:36  <Darkvater> no but, if it doesn't happen in openttd and I've never heard of it, it's not a bug in openttd
11:35:42  <Athland> ok,
11:35:46  <Athland> is from MiniIN
11:35:48  <Darkvater> and if you want to find out, run openttd and see what happens there :)
11:35:52  <Athland> ^^
11:35:57  <Athland> i go to post this
11:36:18  <Darkvater> you do that :)
11:36:22  <Darkvater> and I'll go have lunch
11:36:30  <Zevensoft> doesnt happen in the latest revision anyway
11:37:11  <Zevensoft> 0 for track, after bil of cheatmoney, still 0
11:37:59  <Athland> in MiniIN with inflation when u build a piece of track increase cost of track
11:38:17  <Athland> now costs me .000
11:38:19  <Athland> every piece of track
11:38:20  <Athland> ^^'
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11:40:33  <scia> Athland: I believe it has to do with the proximity to a city and the size of a city
11:40:51  <Athland> no, is only when u build a lot of tracks
11:40:56  <Athland> in a same city
11:41:04  <Athland> the city have less than 2000 pob
11:41:24  <scia> maybe reputation is in it too
11:41:29  <Athland> I making a giant train station
11:41:39  <Athland> and needs build a lot of tracks
11:41:45  <scia> when you build a lot of tracks trees are gone and your rep is gone too
11:42:04  <Athland> nah, my rep is very good
11:42:06  <Athland> in city
11:42:24  <scia> 10000 per track is not much
11:42:37  <Athland> not much? 10.000$?
11:42:48  <Athland> what money u use?
11:42:55  <scia> when I had a large city say 10000 population it costs about 1000000 to demolish one building
11:43:02  <scia> $
11:43:09  <Athland> but in what year
11:43:12  <Athland> i'm in 1950
11:43:13  <Athland> :S
11:43:19  <scia> with the weird patch enabled an without inflation on
11:43:33  <Athland> my train income are 100-200.000$ at year
11:43:55  <scia> disable that particular patch then
11:43:59  <Athland> but i playing in PTS
11:44:05  <scia> PTS?
11:44:05  <Athland> is for inflation feature
11:44:08  <Athland> yes
11:44:27  <Athland> peseta, old currency before euro in spain
11:44:27  <Athland> ^^
11:44:33  <scia> it has to do with the proximity to the town center of a city and the population of the city
11:44:41  <scia> which determine the prices
11:44:47  <scia> A-locations
11:44:57  <Rexxie> I never understood why oil refineries have to be limited to the edge of maps
11:45:43  <Athland> hmmm... to make more easy the contact with petrol tower?
11:45:54  <Athland> petrol platform
11:46:02  <peter1138> oil rig
11:46:35  <Athland> oh, in english is oil rig? the water platform of petrol?
11:46:39  <Rexxie> yeah, but why limit it to the edges, why not just make them spawn there as default
11:47:11  <Rexxie> on a 1024x1024 map, it's kinda frustrating to transport oil from the center of the map to the edge of the map
11:47:41  <Athland> I don't know, but i think that in OpenTTD are looking to able build on the entire map
11:47:43  <scia> hehe
11:48:28  <Athland> the industries why close if i have a train :(
11:48:45  <Athland> 3 carbon mines closed when my trains working on it...
11:49:21  <scia> check the production
11:49:50  <scia> ~135 is default production and ~32-~40 is critically low
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11:50:50  <Athland> carbon mine closed... wait i load a save
11:51:03  <Athland> makes 72
11:51:30  <Athland> Predict total production: 26,313
11:51:45  <scia> hmm
11:52:00  <scia> MiniIN don't know really much about the latest developments
11:52:24  <Athland> I think that I need to read more about MiniIN...
11:54:36  <scia> miniin is documented quite badly, it is spread over the forums with topics per patch that are in it
11:56:04  <Athland> lol
11:56:08  <Athland> and this station buses?
11:56:08  <Athland> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/smg3_ltd_25th_jun_1958_122.png
11:57:18  <scia> you're making TTD look like simutrans...
11:58:09  <Athland> but those station buses are able to download?
11:59:57  <scia> If those busstations are connected to internet they can download yes
12:00:25  <scia> but i think i misunderstood you
12:00:39  <Athland> i say if exist a grf to download it
12:00:39  <Athland> :P
12:01:20  <scia> those are not the standard busstations sprites so you already downloaded them
12:01:51  <Athland> no
12:01:58  <peter1138> unless it's someone else's screenshot
12:02:04  <Athland> is someone else
12:02:09  <Athland> not me
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12:03:22  <Brianetta> Somebody said something incomprehensible abotu bus stations connected to the internet on here a few weeks ago
12:03:31  <Athland> lol
12:03:48  <scia> that was not me :p
12:03:51  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
12:03:51  <scia> !logs
12:03:51  <Brianetta> Seriously, I had to check the date stamp to make sure that my clienbt wasn't displaying old logs or something daft
12:04:17  <Athland> lol real time log
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12:06:48  <SpComb> real time lag?
12:07:00  <Athland> log
12:07:01  <Athland> ..
12:07:20  <SpComb> real time lag would also be fun
12:07:36  <Athland> lol
12:15:09  <blathijs> Darkvater: I grepped my log for KUDr's last activity
12:22:00  <Darkvater> blathijs: ah
12:42:27  <Zevensoft> hrm it seems full load will leave if only 1 cargo type is full
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12:44:48  <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=520425#520425
12:44:54  <Darkvater> and the community does it again :s
12:46:34  <blathijs> Did we distribute that grf? Or is he blaming someone else?
12:47:20  <Darkvater> donnu who the 'we' is, but someone did it
12:47:34  <Naksu> i have a question
12:47:35  <peter1138> no-one's owned up yet
12:47:59  <Naksu> http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/102756.aspx that first one seems ok to me, in fact i'd probably do it
12:48:02  <Naksu> where's the wtf?
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12:49:11  <blathijs> Naksu: There is some, unspecified error, and you respond with, "Let's try again" ?
12:49:23  <blathijs> Darkvater: we being openttd
12:49:33  <Darkvater> blathijs: afaik it wasn't us
12:49:56  <Darkvater> at least I know it wasn't me, can't speak about others
12:50:14  <peter1138> nothing to do with openttd, hhe
12:50:38  <Darkvater> no no, thatw asn't even the intention..just got frustrated a bit
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12:51:13  <lolman> Ello all :)
12:51:42  <Naksu> blathijs: the error in question is very likely something that goes away if you just try again, like a DB connection timeout or something
12:51:58  <Darkvater> hi
12:52:00  <Naksu> it's not a good solution but it's certainly not "wtf"
12:52:45  <peter1138> if it doesn't go away...
12:52:56  <peter1138> biin
12:52:57  <peter1138> err
12:52:57  <peter1138> boom
12:54:06  <lolman> !seen Sacro
12:54:06  <_42_> lolman, I found 8 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: Sacro_, Sacro, Sacro|College, Sacro|Wrk, Sacro|AFK. Sacro_ (~ben@adsl-213-249-245-53.karoo.KCOM.COM) was last seen quitting #openttd 11 hours 54 minutes ago (20.11. 00:59) stating "Read error: Connection reset by peer" after spending 44 minutes there.
12:54:11  <Naksu> at which point the database is down or the file you're supposed to parse is corrupted
12:54:15  <Darkvater> ah
12:54:17  <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ping
12:54:53  <Szandor> I'm having trouble with FlySpray - I don't have the permissions to move my patch (#401) from "Work in Progress" to "Patch". Can someone with permissions do it for me, please?
12:55:05  * peter1138 looks
12:55:20  <Darkvater> what's #401?
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12:55:52  <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=520439#520439
12:55:53  <Darkvater> lolo
12:55:54  <Darkvater> l
12:55:59  <Darkvater> Mlynki wrote:
12:55:59  <Darkvater> 3. How am I supposed to take care of my temp memory deallocation if the user chooses to abort terrain generation?
12:56:02  <Darkvater> answer by Rubidium
12:56:07  <Darkvater> Yes
12:56:09  <Darkvater> lmao
12:56:20  <peter1138> heh
12:56:50  <Szandor> signals are placed a tile closer together on non-diagonal tracks, to avoid wasting that extra half-length
12:57:15  <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=520418#520418 << can someone reply to him that he should use the supplied library? Since he compiled freetype wrongly
12:57:16  <Szandor> my first OTTD patch, so I thiought I'd try something simple
12:57:25  <Darkvater> oh
12:57:26  <Darkvater> nvm
12:57:32  <Darkvater> I should read the post more closely
12:57:34  <peter1138> Szandor, if the spacing is 3
12:57:43  <peter1138> does it still give room for a 6 wagon train?
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12:59:16  <peter1138> Task Type Bug Report
12:59:21  <peter1138> Details Openttd in dedicated mode don't run without data files...
12:59:21  <peter1138> heh
12:59:30  <lolman> lol
12:59:41  <lolman> That's a bit obvious, isn't it? :P
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13:00:38  <lolman> Oh noes...
13:00:47  <Sacro> :o
13:00:54  <Sacro> HE LIVES
13:01:05  <lolman> I've been rather busy lol
13:01:18  <lolman> What I miss? :P
13:01:18  <Szandor> yes
13:01:40  <Sacro> busy eh?
13:01:54  <lolman> Yeah, had stuff to do for the past month or so
13:01:54  <Szandor> well, if the spacing is 4 you get room for a 6-wagon train (as before)
13:02:00  <lolman> College work etc
13:02:07  <Sacro> ah, im at uni now
13:02:14  <lolman> Szandor, spacing of 3 gives room for 6 wagons
13:02:20  <lolman> Sacro, nice one :)
13:02:23  <Sacro> peter1138: kate bush fan?
13:02:26  <lolman> I've decided against Uni myself
13:02:36  <peter1138> who isn't?
13:02:45  <Sacro> lolman: ah right, also im mobile now :D
13:02:48  <Sacro> peter1138: heh, true
13:02:57  <lolman> Sacro, how mobile?
13:03:04  <Sacro> lolman: errm... quite
13:03:19  <lolman> Escaped that mother of yours then?
13:03:27  <Szandor> The patch setting "Place signals every 4 tiles" leaves room for a 6-wagon train between the signals
13:03:27  <Sacro> yeah :D  moved out about 5 weeks ago
13:03:40  <Sacro> Szandor: yeah
13:03:47  <Zevensoft> thats correct
13:03:58  * lolman shuts up about signals :P
13:04:01  <Zevensoft> since 6 wagon trains are about 3 tiles long, and every 4th tile is a signal
13:04:02  <Sacro> "in conversation, she spoke just like a baroness"
13:04:27  <lolman> Sacro, nice one :)
13:04:49  <lolman> I'm gonna be looking for jobs/apprenticeships after Christmas,,,I wanna escape my mam and dad lol
13:04:54  <lolman> ...*
13:05:32  <Sacro> heh, apply for uni and move to another city
13:05:32  <Szandor> in trunk, non-diagonal tracks will leave a 7-wagon gap between signals though, because signals are placed every 8 half-lengths
13:05:53  <lolman> Sacro: don't want the debt, and also I'm not gonna get the grades I need to get in
13:06:02  <lolman> Only doing 2 A2's and an AS :S
13:06:09  <Sacro> so? i have no alevels
13:06:14  <Sacro> though i am doing a foundation year
13:06:21  <lolman> Debt :P
13:06:38  <Szandor> cheers peter1138
13:07:03  <Sacro> yeah... im kinda about £3k more in debt than i was in july
13:07:16  <lolman> And you were in loadsa debt anyway?
13:07:36  <Sacro> thats true
13:07:38  <peter1138> hmm?
13:08:06  <Szandor> Wip -> patch
13:08:28  <peter1138> oh
13:08:34  <peter1138> already forgot about that :)
13:08:47  <lolman> ok message disappeared...silly CGI:IRC
13:09:36  <Szandor> easy for you, impossible for me, so thanks :)
13:10:22  <hylje> lolol
13:10:50  <lolman> Sacro: what Uni are you at?
13:10:53  <Sacro> lolman: Hul
13:11:08  <lolman> Ah yeah, dregs of the Earth :-D
13:11:37  <Sacro> meh, the CS department is one of the best
13:11:52  <lolman> So I hear lol
13:12:01  <lolman> (Only from you though)
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13:12:38  <peter1138> heh, early floyd
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13:12:51  <Sacro> lolman: hehe, o-rud-ge would say that st andrews is better
13:12:56  <lolman> Damn school proxies :P
13:13:11  <Sacro> :o WEB BASED IRC
13:13:11  <lolman> Sacro: well it's a case of looking at the league tables
13:13:17  <lolman> Yeah, web based lol
13:13:26  <lolman> CGI:IRC :-\
13:13:28  <Sacro> webirc http://thegrebs.com/oftc/
13:13:33  <Sacro> hehe, now i can search the logs :p
13:13:51  <lolman> Yeah that's the exact one I'm using :)
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13:14:53  <lolman> :o
13:14:54  <Sacro2> tum te tum
13:14:57  <lolman> Hehe
13:15:05  <lolman> It's bloody unreliable here
13:15:14  <lolman> Oh! I got news on my linux install :P
13:15:19  <Sacro2> this is actually really good... beats using putty with irssi
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13:15:46  <lolman> I got wireless working under Ubuntu with ndiswrapper and network-manager :)
13:16:19  <Sacro> nice one
13:16:37  <lolman> Hehe
13:16:53  <lolman> Shame it's only 11mbps, but it works with WPA and everything :P
13:17:10  <hylje> 11mbps is enough
13:17:22  <hylje> you arent gonna dl anything large through it
13:17:32  <lolman> Aren't I? lol
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13:17:52  <Sacro> I've downloaded 0.4.8, then visited http://nightly.openttd.org/MiniIN/files/ to download the miniIN patch, but only the source version seems available?
13:17:56  <Sacro> stupid fool
13:17:57  <hylje> no you arent
13:18:12  <lolman> Yes I am lol
13:18:14  <Sacro> hylje: you are not a jedi *waves hand*
13:18:33  <hylje> is that so
13:18:34  <lolman> I'll be downloading future Ubuntu releases and stuff on it :)
13:18:54  <Sacro> bah, Ubuntu
13:19:00  * Sacro has an original 6.06 cd now
13:19:02  <hylje> yay, freebsd
13:19:14  * lolman has 6.10 on his box, with Beryl working :P
13:20:59  * lolman likes 6.10 :P
13:21:45  <Rubidium> Darkvater: is the comment to Mlynki now better?
13:21:52  * Sacro has ArchLinux current
13:22:11  <lolman> I dunno how to compile everything from source lol
13:22:55  <Darkvater> type make
13:23:33  <lolman> Darkvater: I mean the dependencies for stuff...I can do OTTD ok, but not an entire distro :P
13:23:48  <Darkvater> Rubidium: better. it was funny though :)
13:24:48  <Rubidium> just remove how from his comment and my answer made sense ;)
13:26:25  <Darkvater> that's a cheat ;0
13:26:36  <lolman> Time anyone?
13:26:43  <Darkvater> 14:26
13:26:44  <Sacro> hehe, ive done LFS, you dont even have emerge
13:26:48  <lolman> Cheers
13:26:54  <lolman> lol Sacro
13:26:55  <Sacro> its a lot of "./configure && make && make install"
13:27:02  <lolman> I'm a total n00b :P
13:28:02  * Brianetta pokes lolman with NTP
13:28:29  * lolman pokes Brianetta with disabled notification tray on Winblows
13:28:50  <Brianetta> I'm not sure what that has to do with running a service.
13:29:12  <lolman> How can I check the time without a clock? :P
13:30:15  <Rubidium> you can't (easily)
13:30:32  <lolman> Exactly lol
13:30:52  <lolman> That's why I poked Brianetta with the disabled notification tray lol
13:31:21  <lolman> There...I can check now...enabled timestamps :)
13:32:23  <Sacro> [13:26] <Darkvater> 14:26 <- LIES :o
13:32:29  <Rubidium> Darkvater: what do you think about adding the openttd version/revision to screenshots?
13:32:41  <lolman> Anyways, gotta go
13:32:52  <lolman> Cya all in about 4 hours :P
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13:38:34  <KUDr_wrk> [13:56:34] <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ping << pong
13:38:56  <KUDr_wrk> at your service, my lord
13:39:46  <Darkvater> pm
13:39:52  <KUDr_wrk> ok
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13:45:21  <Brianetta> So... you have no alternative clock application?
13:45:26  <Brianetta> brave (:
13:46:01  <Brianetta> Some in our office leave Outlook open.  Additionally, our bespoke database application sports a clock in the bottom right.
13:47:34  <Naksu> 15:26 < Darkvater> 14:26
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14:16:24  <hylje> zomg
14:17:00  <Sacro> hylje: http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3
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14:53:24  <Sacro> oh noes
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15:08:19  <lolman> Stoopid IE6 :P
15:08:31  <lolman> Firefox FTQ
15:08:33  <lolman> FTW*
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15:12:02  <lolman> :o
15:12:22  <hylje> ie ftl, fx ftt, opera ftw
15:12:28  <lolman> ftt?
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15:17:57  <lolman> Still dunno what FTT means :P
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15:22:29  <lolman> Born_Acorn: ello :)
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15:28:11  <lolman> CGI:IRC Sux0rs :P
15:28:32  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
15:28:32  <lolman> !logs
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15:31:53  <Gorre> morning.
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15:35:24  <SpComb> CGI:IRC? The code is a mess for one
15:35:30  <SpComb> then again, it works...
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17:06:27  <lolman> :o
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17:48:30  <Wolf01> evening
17:48:41  <Wolf01> ...foggy evening
17:49:46  <Wolf01> disaster! fog: you can't see what trains are doing and they can't see signals, so many crashes will happen
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18:34:58  <nairan> no fog here but quite cold
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18:57:09  <KUDr> tim se pripojis na kanal
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18:57:12  <KUDr> oops
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19:09:23  <Weirdo> Request: i686 linux user
19:09:40  <Weirdo> I hate it when they are never around
19:09:46  <Weirdo> there should be some kind of law
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19:09:51  <peter1138> someone must use gentoo
19:09:58  <Weirdo> peter1138: I do :p x86...
19:10:00  <Weirdo> peter1138: I do :p x86_64...
19:10:01  <peter1138> yeah
19:10:05  <peter1138> someone must use gentoo with i686 :P
19:10:29  <Weirdo> who normally supplied me with that...
19:10:33  <Weirdo> brain
19:10:34  <Weirdo> freeze
19:10:35  <Weirdo> help
19:10:36  <Weirdo> :s
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19:11:46  <Darkvater> hiya
19:12:20  <Weirdo> so... let's put the nightly build back in the queue, shall we?
19:12:31  <Darkvater> ey TL
19:12:32  <Darkvater> :)
19:12:48  <Darkvater> did you get my mail, or am I spamming the wrong person?
19:13:06  <Weirdo> Darkvater: to be hounest... I trashed it without really reading it
19:13:38  <Darkvater> hmm, am I spam now?
19:14:02  <Weirdo> :p
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19:14:15  <Weirdo> remember me to reenable @openttd.org email
19:15:06  <Darkvater> Weirdo: reeenable @openttd.org email!
19:15:24  <Weirdo> Darkvater: not now, later
19:15:27  <hylje> Weirdo: reenable @openttd.org email!
19:15:29  <Weirdo> when the nightly is out of the queue
19:15:31  <hylje> is later now?
19:15:32  * Darkvater waits...
19:15:33  * Weirdo slaps hylje hard
19:15:42  <Darkvater> dammit
19:15:47  <Weirdo> lol, somehow a connection has packetloss
19:15:48  <Darkvater> 20:15 -!- #openttd You're not channel operator
19:15:59  <hylje> what
19:16:03  <Weirdo> files from .hu to .nl are stalling
19:16:15  <hylje> did you intend to violently remove me from the channel?
19:16:20  <Darkvater> yep
19:16:55  <Nigel> Weirdo, re-enable openttd email (not that it matters to _ME_
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19:17:14  <hylje> ha ha
19:17:15  <Naksu> :D
19:17:20  <Weirdo> LOL!!!!
19:17:22  <hylje> <3
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19:17:27  <Weirdo> idiot
19:17:28  <hylje> oh noes!
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19:17:44  <Nigel> haha
19:17:45  <hylje> what
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19:19:17  <Weirdo> still waiting for a i686 linux user
19:19:19  <Weirdo> don't be afraid
19:19:20  <Weirdo> we won't bite
19:19:30  <Weirdo> the chance you have i686 if you use any linux flavor
19:19:32  <Weirdo> is pretty big
19:19:35  <Darkvater> hehe, just kick'm
19:19:45  <Darkvater> what are you actually waiting for?
19:19:47  <Darkvater> svn co?
19:20:15  <Rubidium> I've got i486-linux-gnu
19:20:17  <Nigel> Weirdo, i have a 686 machine
19:20:26  <hylje> im under i686
19:20:35  <Nigel> (w/ debian)
19:20:43  <Weirdo> Nigel: can you please send me your /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1.*
19:20:45  <Weirdo> most like 1.0.3
19:20:56  <peter1138> debian doesn't have i686 libs
19:21:02  <Weirdo> then that is useless :p
19:21:12  <peter1138> it's all i386
19:21:14  <Weirdo> peter1138: in fact, most libs are i386, because I couldn't find i686 :p
19:21:17  <Weirdo> doesn't really matter
19:21:18  <Weirdo> but still :)
19:21:34  <peter1138> well
19:21:42  <peter1138> it's dynamically linked anyway, isn't it...
19:21:47  <Weirdo> it should, yes :)
19:21:53  <Nigel> hmmm, i don't have libfontconfig
19:22:08  <peter1138> hee
19:22:26  <Weirdo> peter1138: but I rather have my libs correctly :)
19:22:27  <Nigel> most likely because i don't have a linux box with X etc installed atm
19:22:35  <Weirdo> Nigel: that might be a problem, yes :p
19:22:56  <Weirdo> sending in win32 nightly..... all hope :p
19:23:06  <Nigel> anyway, gotta go...
19:23:10  <Weirdo> bye Nigel
19:23:12  <Weirdo> tnx anyway :)
19:23:53  <Weirdo> yapf/yapf_rail.o:yapf_rail.cpp:(.text$_ZN24CYapfFollowAnyDepotRailTI16CYapfRail_TypesTI18CYapfAnyDepotRail113CFollowTrackTIL14TransportTypes0ELb1EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfRailNodeTI20CYapfNodeKeyTrackDirELi12ELi16EE29CYapfDestinationAnyDepotRailTS_EE24stFindNearestDepotTwoWayEP7Vehiclej9TrackdirsjSF_iiPjPb[__ZN24CYapfFollowAnyDepotRailTI16CYapfRail_TypesTI18CYapfAnyDepotRail113CFollowTrackTIL14TransportTypes0ELb1EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfRailN
19:23:53  <Weirdo> 2ELi16EE29CYapfDestinationAnyDepotRailTS_EE24stFindNearestDepotTwoWayEP7Vehiclej9TrackdirsjSF_iiPjPb]+0xecf): undefined reference to `__dso_handle'
19:23:58  <Weirdo> I don't even want to know what is causing this
19:24:47  <Noldo> the important part is __dso_handle
19:24:50  <Darkvater> hehe using Tahoma, Bold as font makes no difference whatsoever ;p
19:25:00  <Darkvater> since I already had the fontreplacement in place ^^
19:25:06  <Weirdo> Noldo: I stopped reading after cpp :p
19:25:45  <Weirdo> player_gui.c: In function 'DrawPlayerEconomyStats':
19:25:45  <Weirdo> player_gui.c:44: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
19:25:51  <Weirdo> (64bit)
19:26:00  <peter1138> that's been there for years
19:26:01  <peter1138> err
19:26:04  <peter1138> well, months
19:26:22  <peter1138> gcc 4 is accused
19:26:26  <peter1138> Darkvater :)
19:27:30  <Darkvater> yeah gcc4
19:27:39  <Darkvater> Unable to use 'Tahoma Bold' for medium font, FreeType reported error 0x1, using sprite font instead
19:27:45  <Darkvater> Tahoma, Bold
19:27:53  <Darkvater> pff
19:28:10  <Darkvater> hmm, so peter1138, what is needed for newsave?
19:28:20  <peter1138> newsave?
19:28:26  <Darkvater> newgrfsave
19:28:29  <peter1138> oh
19:28:32  <peter1138> me to finish it :P
19:28:42  <Darkvater> he, but what is missing :)
19:28:47  <peter1138> Tahoma Bold doesn't work because, er, it doesn't know that the space is a split
19:28:57  <peter1138> i.e. Comic Sans MS
19:29:01  <peter1138> (great font that)
19:29:08  <Darkvater> no, Tahoma, Bold works
19:29:11  <peter1138> yes
19:29:21  <peter1138> but with "," is nonstandard, heh
19:29:27  <Darkvater> ah
19:30:28  <Darkvater> so, but what is in need for you to finish?
19:30:31  <Darkvater> perhaps I can help?
19:30:43  <peter1138> i just need to get on with it
19:30:54  <peter1138> partly not helped by me being able to do stuff with it at work
19:31:02  <peter1138> uh, not that i would anyway
19:31:03  <peter1138> cough
19:31:08  <peter1138> in fact
19:31:09  <peter1138> i shall go home now
19:31:12  <peter1138> as it's 19:33
19:31:14  <Darkvater> *confused*
19:31:21  <Darkvater> yes, good plan
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19:33:14  <Darkvater> well do go home then :). I'll have a little sport then see what else needs fixing...
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19:36:22  <xyz> hi
19:36:49  <xyz> is there a function that can give me the number of engines a player has?
19:37:43  <tokai> !seen alltaken
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20:04:40  <Weirdo> at least one target came through.......
20:04:45  <Weirdo> MacOSX just compiled (nightly)
20:06:14  <Weirdo> string.c:11: wctype.h: No such file or directory <- morphos is giving me that, even so I told freetype to get lost
20:06:21  <Weirdo> tokai: any idea? Someone forget an ifdef?
20:06:38  <Weirdo> or just not ported yet
20:06:51  <Weirdo> or is the compilefarm just missing an include file? :)
20:06:54  <Weirdo> so many options
20:10:05  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:19:43  <Weirdo> okay, currently only win32 and morphos fail over the compile farm
20:19:48  <Weirdo> I believe tokai can fix morphos
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20:19:50  <Weirdo> win32 I have no idea about
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20:32:39  <Coutal> hey, can anyone here do me a small favor?
20:32:53  <Coutal> i suspect my isp is filtering non-standard ports
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20:36:53  <CIA-1> truelight * r7220 /compile_farm/controller/compile: -Fix: the compile-farm has 2 CPUs... use them
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20:49:25  <peter1138> why are people complaining about industries disappearing?
20:49:30  <glx> Coutal: what is the favor you ask for?
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21:01:28  <Coutal> glx: i want someone to run an openttd server on port 80
21:01:31  <Coutal> just for testing
21:02:17  <Coutal> this would rule out (or affirm) whether it's my ISP being dickheads, or openttd misbehaving
21:03:21  <Coutal> it's just so frustrating, not being able to play online
21:04:47  <glx> is 8080 ok too ? (I don't want to reconfigure my router to allow me to use port 80 :) )
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21:07:15  <glx> Coutal: ^^ (and which rev? )
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22:12:46  <BFM> http://www.explosm.net/comics/728/
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22:16:18  <Bjarni> BFM: I don't get it
22:16:23  <Bjarni> is it supposed to be funny?
22:16:34  <BFM> :D
22:16:46  <BFM> You've never ventured into Explosm before?
22:16:55  <Bjarni> no
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22:17:55  <CIA-1> rubidium * r7222 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (278 files in 16 dirs): [MakefileRewrite] -Sync: with trunk r6309:7219.
22:17:56  <BFM> Bjarni, what's your prefered webcomic then?
22:18:15  <Bjarni> that's confidential :P
22:18:57  <Bjarni> still, I don't get this one
22:19:00  <Naksu> i like red meat and perry bible fellowship more than explosm
22:19:16  <Naksu> altho red meat is like megaold
22:19:47  <nairan> BFM: http://www.hlcomic.com/ gordon frohmann story
22:19:56  <Naksu> http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/current/index.html  & http://www.pbfcomics.com/
22:20:15  *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03E97.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:21:18  <BFM> Everyone loves Perry ^_^ and frohmann was awesome, shame it ended :*(
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22:23:24  * Bjarni is about to reveal confidential information
22:23:37  <peter1138> kick, hide
22:23:38  <peter1138> err
22:23:38  <Bjarni> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=32 <-- I like reading this one on a regular basis
22:23:38  <peter1138> quick
22:23:59  <peter1138> sorry bjarni
22:24:03  <Bjarni> it's full of stupidity, that's not meant to be stupid :P
22:24:03  <peter1138> i can't handle that one
22:24:13  <peter1138> i get strange looks
22:24:17  <peter1138> when i laugh out loud
22:24:34  <Bjarni> you are still in the office?
22:24:42  <peter1138> no
22:24:57  <Bjarni> then who cares? :P
22:25:09  <peter1138> i meant in general
22:25:11  <peter1138> not right now
22:25:23  <peter1138> you really know how to spoil a joke :P
22:25:31  <Bjarni> yeah
22:26:15  <Bjarni> oh that reminds me of a picture on the net. There is a lot of people in an office and one computer says "welcome to the first internet porn site with sound" and everybody looks at the guy in the back
22:26:37  <Bjarni> a bit old though. I saw it some years ago. Still a good one
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22:35:25  <peter1138> woo
22:35:28  <peter1138> "Game Load Failed"
22:35:34  <peter1138> bit nicer than existing
22:35:35  <peter1138> er
22:35:36  <peter1138> exiting
22:35:43  <peter1138> although it doesn't way why :/
22:35:46  <peter1138> *say
22:35:51  <Naksu> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=0PBF33037BC-Banana_Scientists.jpg#34
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23:09:16  <Darkvater> ugh
23:09:18  <Darkvater> long day
23:13:07  <Darkvater> yapf/yapf_rail.o:yapf_rail.cpp:(.text$_ZN16CYapfFollowRailTI16CYapfRail_TypesTI10CYapfRail213CFollowTrackTIL14TransportTypes0ELb1EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfRailNodeTI19CYapfNodeKeyExitDirELi10ELi12EE34CYapfDestinationTileOrStationRailTS_EE17stChooseRailTrackEP7Vehiclej13DiagDirection12TrackdirBitsPb[__ZN16CYapfFollowRailTI16CYapfRail_TypesTI10CYapfRail213CFollowTrackTIL14TransportTypes0ELb1EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfRailNodeTI19CYapfNodeKeyExitD
23:13:14  <Darkvater> wtf?
23:13:24  <Rubidium> that's the same as Weirdo said
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23:15:19  <CIA-1> rubidium * r7223 /branches/makefile_rewrite/ (. bin/ bin/scenario/ docs/): [MakefileRewrite] -Update the svn:ignore properties.
23:15:48  <Darkvater> --enable-__cxa_atexit
23:15:50  <Darkvater> as a flag?
23:16:06  <Darkvater> at least that's a suggestion people give for mingw
23:16:08  <peter1138> --enable-what?
23:16:16  <Darkvater> --enable-__cxa_atexit
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23:17:39  <Darkvater> strange why it worked _before_ utf8
23:17:56  <Darkvater> I wonder what it does if TL doesn't define WITH_FREETYPE/WITH_FONTCONFIG
23:18:01  <Darkvater> it shoulbe just like before
23:18:35  <Rubidium> it's already compiling without freetype or fontconfig
23:19:12  <Darkvater> :/
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23:29:20  <Darkvater> hmm
23:29:27  <Darkvater> http://svn.openttd.org
23:29:32  <Darkvater> still down right?
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23:31:31  <Rubidium> yup
23:31:39  * Darkvater really misses that
23:31:51  <Rubidium> almost everyone misses it
23:36:00  <Darkvater> the error is just weird
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23:50:31  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i upgraded my memory from 512 to 1024, now it is telling me it copies 17MB/s over my 100Mbit network...
23:51:19  <Eddi|zuHause>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
23:51:20  <Eddi|zuHause> Mem:       1035960    1022644      13316          0      14368     708236
23:51:20  <Eddi|zuHause> -/+ buffers/cache:     300040     735920
23:51:20  <Eddi|zuHause> Swap:      2112536        160    2112376
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23:52:38  <Naksu> Eddi|zuHause: and these things are related?
23:53:05  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's probably the speed it is reading into the cache, rather than transferring through the network
23:53:29  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's using 700MB cache, it can put two 350MB files in there, before sending anything

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