Log for #openttd on 22nd December 2006:
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00:10:55  <re06011988> hi belugas
00:11:13  <Belugas_Gone> hey... looks how here!
00:11:17  <Belugas_Gone> heelo re06011988 :)
00:11:24  <Belugas_Gone> welcome in here
00:12:50  <Belugas_Gone> baby bath time
00:12:52  <Belugas_Gone> be back soon
00:13:12  <Belugas_Gone> non, la ligne est touours morte
00:13:34  <Belugas_Gone> juste a la maison, c;est ok. le breau est tuojours mort
00:13:36  <Belugas_Gone> je reviens
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00:18:18  <re06011988> oki
00:18:40  <re06011988> i work on TTFF with glx
00:19:23  <Gonozal_VIII> who is dead?
00:19:26  <glx> lol Belugas_Gone next time reply in PM :)
00:20:22  <glx> Gonozal_VIII: nobody, just Belugas_Gone can't connect to IRC from work
00:20:47  <Gonozal_VIII> didn't he write something about death?
00:21:47  <glx> ye his connection from work :)
00:22:06  <Gonozal_VIII> ah^^
00:22:50  <re06011988> the release O.5 is ready ??
00:24:20  <Eddi|zuHause> Gonozal_VIII: it's a little harder to understand, because there are letters missing ;)
00:25:08  <Gonozal_VIII> und auch weil ich nie im leben französisch gelernt hab^^
00:26:59  <Eddi|zuHause> he says something like "the line [cable, connection, ...] is dead, at home it is fine, at the office, it is always dead, i returned"
00:28:14  <Gonozal_VIII> thanks for translation
00:28:59  <Eddi|zuHause> well, my last french lesson is like 8 years ago, so it might not be 100% exact ;)
00:29:03  <glx> well done Eddi|zuHause :)
00:29:42  <glx> bu it was 'I'll be back" instead "I returned" ;)
00:29:50  <Darkvater>
00:29:54  <Darkvater> phew
00:30:04  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i was not really sure about the tense form
00:31:00  <Gonozal_VIII> :-)
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00:36:54  <Gonozal_VIII> i will start a new long time game with a friend of mine when the new bridges make it into miniin
00:38:02  <Eddi|zuHause> that'll be fun to merge ;)
00:42:11  <Gonozal_VIII> i think celestar is working on that
00:42:40  <Eddi|zuHause> on merging with trunk, yes
00:42:51  <Eddi|zuHause> but merging with miniin is a whole different chapter
00:43:28  <Eddi|zuHause> and using more bits in the map array can very easily kill PBS
00:43:52  <glx> and I don't want to do this sync :)
00:44:10  <Eddi|zuHause> i eas afraid you said that :p
00:44:53  <Rubidium> Darkvater, typo in your forum post: pahtfinder
00:44:58  <Gonozal_VIII> oh.. i thought that step would be easy then
00:45:00  <Belugas_Gone> that is the ambiguity of MiniIN...  people are taking it for granted that it's here to stay
00:45:47  <Rubidium> as far as I have heard, RichK67 wanted to stay with 0.5.0 for a while, not with trunk
00:45:50  <Gonozal_VIII> miniin is the best way to play openttd at the moment in my opinion
00:46:02  <Belugas_Gone> and that it will always be on a parallel track as trunk
00:46:48  <Belugas_Gone> Gonozal_VIII, i'm a lot happier with trunk/newhouses then with miniIN.  Last time i tried it, i was... desoriented, to say the least
00:47:15  <Gonozal_VIII> desoriented?
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00:47:34  <Eddi|zuHause> well, staying with release+patches could be a good idea, especially if he has hardly time for syncing
00:48:36  <Belugas_Gone> disoriented, maybe... it all felt strange.. i don't know how to express it
00:48:41  <Eddi|zuHause> but openttd could use some more releases ;)
00:49:36  <Eddi|zuHause> imho it was quite of a bad idea to only allow bugfixes after 0.4.5, the trunk and release diverged very far
00:49:41  <Belugas_Gone> you mean features, maybe?
00:49:59  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean release trunk more often
00:50:15  <Rubidium> that's done every night :)
00:50:16  <Belugas_Gone> ho... yeah... sorry
00:50:29  <Belugas_Gone> he meant a major version, i think
00:50:40  <Belugas_Gone> like 0.5.0
00:50:48  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought we established today that nightlies are not released ;)
00:51:03  <Belugas_Gone> we are so accustomed to play with trunk...
00:51:08  <Belugas_Gone> i was not there today!
00:56:30  <SpComb> Logs:
00:56:30  <Born_Acorn> !logs
00:57:05  <Born_Acorn> "The requested URL /latest/ was not found on this server."
00:57:06  <Born_Acorn> D:
00:57:52  <Rubidium> yeah, that happens when r7515 isn't the latest nightly anymore
00:58:25  <Born_Acorn> I'm Ctrl+F5ing all over the nightly builds page, though!
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00:58:51  <Rubidium> it is stupid that the nightly page isn't updated though :)
00:58:55  <SpComb> Logs:
00:58:55  <UnderBuilder> !logs
00:59:10  * Born_Acorn shakes his fist at the nightly page
00:59:53  <Born_Acorn> What's today's nightly's rev?
01:00:00  <Rubidium> r7533
01:00:10  <Born_Acorn> thank you
01:00:14  <Rubidium>
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01:03:35  <Darkvater> gn all
01:03:47  * Darkvater is beat...releases take too long
01:05:09  <Belugas_Gone> nigh Darkvater :)  well done, sleep well
01:10:23  <Belugas_Gone> booooo!  Not a word on newcurrencies!
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01:12:33  <Belugas_Gone> but i forgive you... it is quite an impressive job, Darkvater
01:17:39  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7539 /trunk/ (changelog.txt langs.vcproj langs_vs80.vcproj): -Add Esperanto to VS project files and update changelog with added languages information.
01:19:00  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7540 /trunk/strgen/strgen.c: -Codechange: Print a summary of the number of errors/warnings of a language when strgen is run with the -w flag.
01:19:43  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7541 /trunk/lang/ (bulgarian.txt esperanto.txt ukrainian.txt): -Set svn:eol-style native for some languages that missed it.
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01:21:11  <UnderBuilder> three comits in three minutes... :P
01:21:27  <Naksu> !openttd commit 4264
01:21:46  <Naksu> how do i use this thing?
01:21:48  <Naksu> !openttd
01:22:24  <UnderBuilder> !svn commit 4264
01:23:43  <UnderBuilder> !svn
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01:26:48  <Naksu> !openttd commit
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01:33:35  <glx> Naksu: retry when _42_ will be back :)
01:34:17  <Naksu> oh
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01:58:21  <mattt_> just found openttd lookin for an OS X version of the game - awesome work :D
01:59:23  <mattt_> got a question about gameplay:  i've got a train running coal to a powerplant, and when it arrives at the plant with the coal i see "Transfer $x" and don't see the amount x appear on my account balance.. what's the deal ^_^
02:00:33  <glx> don't use transfer order :)
02:02:06  <Triffid_Hunter> mattt_: transfer is for when the goods have to be further transported by a different vehicle before you get paid for them
02:02:25  <mattt_> i used the load and unload orders
02:02:26  <Triffid_Hunter> you want unload (or just nothing)
02:02:44  <mattt_> i'm lookin at the orders dialog
02:02:45  <mattt_> says unload
02:04:24  <mattt_> i'll try with nothing, see what happens
02:05:20  <mattt_> the features added to this game are off the hook
02:05:35  <mattt_> update the graphics maybe, and you could sell this as a new game :P
02:07:55  <mattt_> ah, the problem was my station wasn't accepting anything - was out of range of the power plant, though there were squres on the plant when i showed coverage area
02:08:18  <Gonozal_VIII> not every tile of the power plant accepts coal
02:08:26  <mattt_> ah
02:09:25  <Triffid_Hunter> it shows what a station will accept before you drop it in the dialog somewhere
02:10:15  <Triffid_Hunter> mattt_: oh, and if you place more platforms or lorry stops or bus stations or whatever in adjacent tiles, it all becomes one huge station :D
02:10:53  <mattt_> yeah, i thought it said it accepted coal when i first build the station.. maybe i wasn't paying attention and moved it too far away before building..
02:11:00  <mattt_> and yeah, i added another platform and all was well
02:11:13  <mattt_> that particular train makes me loads of cash too :)
02:12:03  <mattt_> anywho, gotta put it on hold for now, other stuff to do.  thanks for your help!
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02:18:39  <Digitalfox> Hi..
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02:19:03  <Digitalfox> How can i know how many srites are being use in my openttd?
02:19:13  <Digitalfox> sites = sprites
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07:27:38  <Brianetta> Which revision is 0.5?
07:27:55  <Brianetta> rc1 even
07:28:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> tags/0.5.0-RC1 maybe?
07:28:26  <Brianetta> ta
07:28:36  <Brianetta> it's not like I can browse the web svn
07:48:32  <peter1138> morning
07:48:40  <peter1138> mmm, 33k6 modem
07:48:48  <peter1138> and ubuntu's auto-updater
07:48:51  <peter1138> what a silly idea
07:49:23  <peter1138> bah, and now the forums mark everything as read
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07:53:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> mornings are an ugly invention...
07:54:04  <peter1138> yes
07:54:12  <peter1138> so are slow modems
07:54:35  <Eddi|zuHause2> i believe i have a spare 56k modem ;)
07:54:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> that i never used
07:55:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> whatever happened to 100MBit for all?
07:56:51  <peter1138> whatever happened to intelligence?
07:57:40  <peter1138> "does it contain all MiniIN-patches as well"
07:57:43  <peter1138> hurr hurr
07:58:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> if it contained all MiniIN features, what would be the point of MiniIN? :p
07:59:52  <peter1138> innit
08:01:12  <peter1138> right, i'm off
08:07:51  <Tefad> i'm on
08:08:06  <Tefad> sans wallet though : (
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08:53:31  <Celestar> mowning
08:53:42  <peter1138> Mr 'Star
08:54:08  <Celestar> I see 0.5 has been branched
08:54:36  * Celestar goes testing it and bridges
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09:02:17  <Celestar> hmpf
09:02:27  <peter1138> hmm?
09:04:29  <Celestar> openttd: saveload.c:82: SlReadFill: Assertion `len != 0' failed.
09:04:37  <Celestar> trying to sync/merge
09:05:09  <peter1138> heh
09:05:27  <Celestar> stupid savegame revision changes all da time :P
09:05:35  <Celestar> wee
09:05:37  <Celestar> works
09:10:08  <Celestar> peter1138: we need to discuss the map :)
09:12:38  <Celestar> ...
09:12:43  <Celestar> I guess this concludes the discussion
09:14:28  <blathijs> Morning
09:14:33  <blathijs> Let's build debs! :-)
09:14:35  <Celestar> morning
09:15:43  <peter1138> heh
09:15:44  <blathijs> Biff: I rather build the debs myself, I have been doing that so far
09:15:45  <peter1138> back now :P
09:16:08  <Celestar> wb
09:16:12  <peter1138> Darkvater: \o/
09:16:13  <Celestar> peter1138: so ... about da map ....
09:16:14  <blathijs> Biff: Also, building debs on sarge works better usually, since dependencies tend to be forward compatible, but not backward compatible
09:16:39  <peter1138> yeah
09:16:52  <peter1138> newhouses makes extra into m6 and adds m7
09:17:01  <peter1138> whereas bridges just makes extra 8 bits
09:17:34  <Biff> blathijs: ok, sounds good =)
09:18:00  <peter1138> gah. phone :(
09:20:01  <Celestar> peter1138: so I should rename extra into m6?
09:20:21  <Celestar> or let newhouses do that after a merge?
09:20:32  <Celestar> dunno what the best course of action is there
09:20:34  <peter1138> hmm
09:20:34  <Celestar> Darkvater: opinions?
09:20:38  <peter1138> i suppose it doesn't really matter
09:20:53  <peter1138> not like savegame revisions are running out :)
09:21:20  <Celestar> ok then I will leave it as is and the newhouses people can rename extra to whatever they want :)
09:22:29  <peter1138> hmm
09:22:32  * peter1138 ponders language syncs
09:22:45  <peter1138> i guess they need to be manual
09:24:39  <Celestar> guys need help
09:24:41  <CIA-1> celestar * r7542 /branches/bridge/ (24 files in 7 dirs): [bridge] Sync with trunk r7525:7541 and prepare for merge (sync savegame revisions)
09:25:36  <Celestar> can you please checkout bridge and see whether it loads the old savegames from trunk/releases (I have none here)
09:28:57  <Celestar> ...
09:29:03  <Celestar> this situation in LHR sucks
09:29:33  <blathijs> Biff: Built debian packages before?
09:29:39  <blathijs> Celestar: LHR?
09:29:46  <Celestar> London Heathrow
09:29:58  <Celestar> they really really need to bomb that thing and rebuild it from scratch
09:33:49  <blathijs> Celestar: building bridges now
09:37:13  <Celestar> blathijs: great thanks.
09:42:51  <blathijs> hey
09:43:07  <Celestar> yeah?
09:43:11  <blathijs> since when does openttd always put savegames in ~/.opentdd/save instead of ./save ?
09:43:17  <Celestar> it does?
09:44:11  <Biff> blathijs: yes
09:44:16  <blathijs> apparently
09:44:31  <blathijs> Celestar: Anyway, all savegames I tried load ok
09:45:59  <Brianetta> /msg sarah_pilot revision
09:47:25  <Celestar> blathijs: good
09:48:48  <blathijs> Celestar: I might not have savegames from the last period, though
09:49:03  <blathijs> ie, last couple of months
09:49:20  <Celestar> I just created a savegame with latest trunk revision
09:49:21  <Celestar> seems to load
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09:49:47  <blathijs> Celestar: Me too :-)
09:50:31  <Darkvater> morning peeps
09:50:46  <Celestar> morning peep
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09:51:32  <peter1138> lord 'vater
09:51:35  <peter1138> mr 'jarni
09:51:43  <Celestar> Darkvater: please check bridge branch, wanna merge \o/
09:51:44  * Bjarni slaps Darkvater
09:52:00  <Bjarni> you forgot to mail me about the release of RC1 >_<
09:52:13  <peter1138> you forgot to keep up to date
09:52:15  <peter1138> :D
09:52:41  <Bjarni> no, I told him that I'm busy and he said he would mail me when it would be time for me to compile
09:52:57  <Celestar> NOW
09:53:02  <Darkvater> Bjarni: no I mailed you!
09:53:05  <Darkvater> biatch
09:53:15  <Bjarni> odd
09:53:23  <Celestar> OMG
09:53:26  <Bjarni> because I can't find that mail
09:53:26  <peter1138> hmm?
09:53:34  <Celestar> I was just asking myself what kinda TLA "odd" is
09:53:42  <peter1138> hehe
09:54:39  <blathijs> Darkvater: Did you mail the mailing list?
09:55:48  <Bjarni> no, still haven't got a single mail from Darkvater or any other name that he is known to use
09:55:56  <peter1138> never mind
09:55:57  <Bjarni> not even in the spam bin
09:56:00  <peter1138> you know now
09:56:20  <Bjarni> looks like the big ugly internet monster ate it
09:56:20  <Darkvater> Bjarni: hmm... that is strange
09:56:29  <Darkvater> blathijs: no; do we still use that? :P
09:56:48  <Darkvater> Ey Bjarni,
09:56:48  <Darkvater> I released 0.5.0-RC1 last night, so go ahead and compile the releases :).
09:56:48  <Darkvater> Don't forget to put them on SF and update the downloads page on
09:56:49  <Darkvater>
09:57:13  <Bjarni> Darkvater: try to send a new mail, just to check if there is a hole though
09:57:21  <Bjarni> oh, edit the download page
09:57:24  <Bjarni> good point
09:58:56  <blathijs> Darkvater: For these kind of occasions, yes? :-)
10:01:41  <Darkvater> he
10:02:08  <Darkvater> o_O
10:02:51  <Darkvater> I was going to buy a new CPU on marktplaats (ebay) and asked the guy for a BIG picture of the CPU showing type, etc. then he sends me this crappy small with the type half cut off
10:03:07  <Darkvater> so I go look on google for this image, and find _exactly_ the same one on some chinese site
10:03:15  * Darkvater doesn't think he's going to buy that one
10:03:22  <Celestar> what CPU do you want?!
10:03:28  <Darkvater> amd xp 2600+
10:03:44  <Celestar> ah
10:03:55  <Celestar> what socket is that?
10:03:55  <Darkvater> all my motherboard can take :)
10:03:57  <Darkvater> A
10:05:11  <Bjarni> how do I make a newline on the download page?
10:05:33  <Bjarni> (we could also do with a preview button)
10:06:22  <Darkvater> just gimme the md5sums and I'll do it for you
10:07:04  <Bjarni> I added it, but the note about no 10.2.8 release is added on the end of a line instead of on a line of it's own
10:07:27  * blathijs is off to breakfast, bbl
10:07:32  <Bjarni> MD5 (openttd-0.5.0-RC1-osx.dmg) = 2b5bc2eabe1ef7040f4a2938378d3220
10:08:52  <Bjarni> anyway, now the binary is there. You can go make the layout look better. I'm off as I got important stuff to do
10:09:01  <Bjarni> see you
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10:09:34  <Darkvater> only one binary?
10:09:49  <peter1138> must be
10:10:24  <Darkvater> did bjarni never hear about html?
10:10:27  <Darkvater> <br/>
10:10:28  <Darkvater> ?
10:10:33  <peter1138> hmm?
10:11:14  <peter1138> why are the other links prdownloads
10:11:18  <peter1138> and his just downloads?
10:11:59  <Darkvater> peter1138: ?
10:12:24  <peter1138> Note: there will be no OSX 10.2.8 release, since it fails to compile (and I can't be bothered to find out why)
10:12:38  <Darkvater> he, we should add that ;p
10:12:48  <peter1138> :)
10:12:53  <peter1138> so what's wrong with <br/> ?
10:13:07  <peter1138> admittedly it's XHTML, and that page is HTML4 ...
10:13:11  <Darkvater> nothing, bjarni was complaining about "added on the end of a line instead of on a line of it's own"
10:13:23  <peter1138> o_O
10:14:08  <Brianetta> peter1138: <br/> isn't valid in any case
10:14:12  <Brianetta> use <br />
10:14:38  <Biff> <br/> is valid? but <br /> is better for browsers who does not understand the /
10:14:41  <Darkvater> w3 validator says it's valid
10:14:50  <Brianetta> It's valid XHTML
10:14:55  <Brianetta> It isn't valid HTML
10:15:12  <Darkvater> well anyways..why doesn't 10.2.8 compile?
10:15:25  <Darkvater> anyone interested: we have an opening for an OSX maintainer available
10:15:28  <Brianetta> Because it's old and crusty (for a MacOSX)
10:15:34  <Darkvater> so?
10:15:38  <Biff> oh why must evolution be so bad :/
10:15:40  <Darkvater> Win9x is even worse and that works
10:15:45  <Biff> (the mua)
10:15:53  <Brianetta> Biff: It's OK for me
10:15:57  <Darkvater> yes, I took special care to make it work, was a little extra, took some time
10:16:06  <Darkvater> but no need to just drop it cause you're lazy
10:16:35  <Brianetta> Well, who has a 10.2 box?
10:18:46  <Darkvater>
10:18:49  <Darkvater> lol
10:19:02  <Celestar> DEN airport is still closed :o
10:19:04  <Celestar> 48 hours now
10:22:04  <Brianetta> Darkvater: It's not as enjoyable as the argument that preceded the editing (:
10:23:43  <Celestar> 5-6ft of snow in 4 days :o
10:23:44  <Darkvater> :)
10:23:49  <Darkvater> dammit I want snow!
10:26:06  <Brianetta> will need adjusting so that 0.5 servers appear at the top
10:26:23  <Darkvater> yeah, we should
10:26:26  * Darkvater fixores
10:27:35  <Darkvater> and done
10:27:46  <Brianetta> cool
10:27:48  <Celestar> good jobs
10:27:52  <Brianetta> You know what I'd like?
10:27:57  <Darkvater> woo Brianetta nice list of newgrf's
10:28:07  <Celestar> nice, there's quite a nice bunch of players
10:28:07  <Darkvater> and thank god I wrote this code in the past
10:28:14  <Brianetta> The in-game server list to sort alphabetically and with spaces and ! moved to the end
10:28:19  <Darkvater> it was just the matter of: $official_version = "0.5.0-RC1";
10:28:38  <Darkvater> it sorts alphabetically
10:28:47  <Brianetta> well, it's asciibetical
10:28:56  * Celestar needs go or no-go for merge within the next 60 minutes :)
10:28:59  <Darkvater> who's running grfcrawler?
10:29:06  <Brianetta> non-alphabet characters are arbitrary in alhabetic sort
10:29:11  <Darkvater> eis_os?
10:29:27  <Darkvater> yes, it's him
10:29:37  <Brianetta> peter/pb_viaduct.grf
10:29:39  <Brianetta> d'oh
10:29:45  <Brianetta> it reveals my subdirectories
10:30:15  <Brianetta> I might have to pinch that code for greabbing newgrfs
10:30:15  <Darkvater> hehe
10:30:31  <Brianetta> has the MD5s in, but I did them myself with an awk script
10:32:07  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Would it be at all possible to have a URL field available through the net API?
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10:32:19  <Brianetta> THen the servers page can link to the URL, for rules,e tc
10:32:26  <Darkvater> which url?
10:32:28  <Darkvater> the server's url?
10:32:35  <Brianetta> One specified in the config
10:32:55  <Brianetta> such as or
10:33:32  <Brianetta> It's the easiest way to get contact information available
10:33:38  <Brianetta> People could even link to a forum thread
10:33:48  <Darkvater> it could be possible, yes
10:33:57  <Darkvater> server-url and some description-text
10:34:01  * Brianetta nods
10:34:19  <Brianetta> At the moment, we can squeeze a short URL into the server name
10:34:23  <Darkvater> Brianetta: There is a problem that I'm busy coding around - I used the MySQL "password()" function to encrypt passwords, and now this function's algorithm has changed completely in the lastest MySQL release. On reading the MySQL documentation more closely, it seems that I should never have done this.
10:34:35  <Darkvater> don't use password() for passwords is what you're saying?
10:34:36  <Brianetta> That's correct
10:35:01  <Brianetta> It should only be used in the mysql database
10:35:05  <Brianetta> for users etc
10:35:17  <Brianetta> that has a built in mechanism for upgrading passwords to newer hashes
10:35:27  <Darkvater> ah, phew ;)
10:35:29  <Brianetta> old_password() uses the old algo
10:35:35  <peter1138> urgh
10:35:41  <peter1138> nvidia's new control panel is "teh ghey"
10:35:49  <Darkvater> haha
10:35:50  <Brianetta> It's pink?
10:35:54  <Darkvater> yeah it is...
10:35:57  <valhallasw> :D
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10:36:07  <Brianetta> An eBay seller is calling to work today to deliver my TI-68 (:
10:36:15  <Brianetta> I have £16 in cash here, ready
10:36:21  <Darkvater> Brianetta: a lot of your grf files are not on grfcrawler T_T
10:36:33  * valhallasw grabs wikipedia
10:36:36  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yeah, there will be a zi pto download soon
10:36:52  <Brianetta> I only use grfs which are redistributable
10:37:01  <valhallasw> nice :)
10:37:04  <Brianetta> In fact, I might put that together now
10:37:10  * valhallasw still has an HP 41-CV here
10:37:15  <Brianetta> !
10:37:17  <valhallasw> actually, two, but one with a broken screen
10:37:17  <Brianetta> SWEET
10:37:23  <Brianetta> That's programmable
10:37:25  <valhallasw> yes
10:37:29  <Brianetta> and RPN
10:37:35  <valhallasw> aye
10:37:35  <Brianetta> and totally, utterly cool
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10:37:59  <valhallasw> and muchos memory :Y)
10:38:07  <Brianetta> Have ou seen Free42?
10:38:09  <peter1138> 10:34 <@Darkvater> Brianetta: a lot of your grf files are not on grfcrawler T_T
10:38:17  <peter1138> silly grf authors :)
10:38:21  <Brianetta> I use it instead of the calculator that comes with all my operating systems
10:38:25  <Brianetta> Windows, Lnux and Paml
10:38:31  <Brianetta> er
10:38:31  <Darkvater> Celestar: what do you want with merging?
10:38:34  <peter1138> though that hovs is unreleased, so...
10:38:37  <Brianetta> Windows, Linux and Palm
10:38:48  <Darkvater> it's mostly aegir's projects I think
10:38:52  <Darkvater> saw the link of the forums
10:39:00  <Darkvater> the PGS: things
10:39:10  <Brianetta> Aegir's stuff is either unlicensed or GPL'd through that old stations project
10:39:11  <peter1138> i like the "search for all above grfs" link
10:39:22  <Darkvater> yeah, that was a good idea
10:39:23  <Brianetta> I don't use his unlicensed stuff
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10:39:37  <Darkvater> Brianetta: isn't Silverline Stations his work?
10:39:39  <valhallasw> Brianetta: finally a calculator that can use just the keypad ;)
10:39:46  <peter1138> hmm, those are the old PGS stations
10:39:47  <Brianetta> valhallasw: Yes
10:39:47  <peter1138> iirc
10:39:55  <Darkvater> ah
10:40:02  <Brianetta> Darkvater: Yes, they are.  They were part of that stations package, which was GPL'd
10:40:06  <valhallasw> and it gives both the x and the y values :O
10:40:10  <Brianetta> His later releases aren't licensed
10:40:18  <Darkvater> ic
10:40:29  <Brianetta> He's busy fussing abou thow to license them, but until he makes up his mind, they don't appear on my server
10:40:38  <Darkvater> you should pressure him to make up his mind :)
10:40:44  <Brianetta> I've tried
10:40:50  <Brianetta> He likes som eof the CC licenses
10:41:00  <Brianetta> He wants to retain control
10:41:07  <Brianetta> comething that makes him avoid the GPL
10:41:23  <Brianetta> btw, that grf list on my server is subject to refinement
10:41:25  <Darkvater> Brianetta: why not use the license MB picked?
10:41:38  <Brianetta> Darkvater: MB wrote his own, IIRC
10:41:49  <peter1138> Czech RoadSet v1.1
10:41:50  <Darkvater> yes, just use that, MB's in full control of his work
10:41:52  <peter1138> grfid 00000001
10:41:53  <peter1138> o_O
10:42:36  <Brianetta> valhallasw: It's the cutest calculator.  It doesn't even use an original ROM.  It's 100% reverse engineered.
10:42:51  <Brianetta> The skins are cute, too
10:42:56  <Brianetta> Did you find the skin pack?
10:43:02  <Brianetta> Several compatible HP models
10:44:33  <valhallasw> hehe :)
10:46:12  <valhallasw> omg, people overclocked the HP-41 O_o
10:46:49  <Brianetta> valhallasw: Hardware hax (:
10:47:06  <peter1138> hmm
10:47:17  <Brianetta>
10:47:30  <Brianetta> Scroll down to the skins (:
10:48:27  <peter1138> hmm, i've no idea how to use this thing
10:48:29  <valhallasw> aye, nice :)
10:48:36  <peter1138> (i know rpn, but this interface...)
10:49:11  <valhallasw> peter1138: well, erm, try '1 enter 1 +' ? ;)
10:49:59  <peter1138> ah, that's what the enter key does ;p
10:50:24  <valhallasw> enter shifts the entry to the y variable
10:50:37  <valhallasw> then entering a second value and using a function on the two
10:50:51  <valhallasw> yields a result in the x variable
10:51:14  <peter1138> yeah
10:53:13  <valhallasw> why can the 42S calculate a determinant while my casio CFX cannot? harr!
10:55:47  <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7543 /website/ (includes/ login.php): - [Website] Update the latest official version to 0.5.0-RC1 and fix login problems from the intro page
10:59:51  <peter1138> whoever thought a calculator would need skins...
11:00:07  <Frostregen> ^^
11:00:45  <Celestar> HM.
11:00:45  <Frostregen> math gets mainstream
11:00:48  * Celestar ponders
11:01:31  <Celestar> how do I merge this crap .. using merge or just copying stuff over?
11:01:41  <peter1138> ...
11:01:47  <peter1138> you've merged before...
11:01:52  <Darkvater> hehe svn troubles Celestar ?
11:02:07  <Darkvater> Celestar: you can do 2 things, the easy and the hard way
11:02:26  <Celestar> easy is "cp -a"
11:02:30  <Celestar> hard is "svn merge"
11:02:38  <Darkvater> 1. sync your wc with trunk, check out trunk and copy all files over and commit or 2. svn merge branch1 branch2
11:02:54  <Darkvater> I would say 1 (cp -a) is more work
11:05:36  <Celestar> wtf I have missed targets :o
11:06:11  <Celestar> and a bunch of conflicts :S
11:06:33  * Celestar thinks he needs a clean checkout :S
11:09:43  <XeryusTC> heya Celestar :)
11:11:16  <Darkvater> Celestar:
11:11:30  <Darkvater> if your wc is clean there should be no problems at all
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11:15:34  <peter1138> hmm
11:20:28  <Celestar> Darkvater: that is .. IF Tron would have done the branching properly :S
11:20:59  <peter1138> i don't see how it matters
11:21:12  <peter1138> you're testing the changes between the current revisions, not those when it was created
11:21:15  <Celestar> it doesn't hopefully, but I'm still busy checking out a clean wc
11:22:31  <Celestar> but yet I have missed targets for example
11:22:46  <Celestar> and conflicts
11:23:41  <Celestar> fischer@galadriel:[/nfs/home/fischer/openttd.merge]> svn st | grep ^C | wc -l
11:23:41  <Celestar> 26
11:24:01  * Celestar goes checking for missing revision syncs
11:24:54  <Celestar> and missing files