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00:02:47 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-145-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:05:25 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:47 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-190-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:57 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:11:59 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:14:37 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/autoreplace_GUI.diff <-- do anybody dare to test this? 00:14:43 <Sacro> nope 00:15:18 <Bjarni> it's a complete rewrite of the autoreplace window... it looks the same to the player, except the right list can contain more engines 00:15:32 <Bjarni> because it takes refitting into consideration when building the list 00:19:39 <Wolf01> and maybe you should find a way to replace a car with itself :) 00:20:03 <Bjarni> what do you mean? 00:20:31 <Wolf01> like refit, but not all newgrf allow you to refit a car to carry everything 00:20:38 <Bjarni> since autoreplace will not allow replacing an engine into itself, it will skip the engine selected in the left list when making the right list 00:21:09 <Bjarni> well 00:21:57 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:22:06 <Bjarni> it will replace engine a with engine b if and only if it can be refitted to carry the same as the original. If the vehicle got refit orders, the new vehicle needs to be able to handle all the cargo types from the orders 00:22:11 <Wolf01> heh that's the fault, i know that we use the same engine ID to tell it to not autoreplace, but what about to set it to NONE, void ot what you want so will be possible to autoreplace with itself? 00:22:15 <Bjarni> that's how it works right now 00:22:19 <Bjarni> I didn't change any of that 00:22:22 <Bjarni> this is a GUI change 00:22:50 <Bjarni> it makes no sense to autoreplace it to itself 00:23:27 <Bjarni> i know that we use the same engine ID to tell it to not autoreplace <-- that was in the 8 bit days. Now it uses INVALID_ENGINE (which is 0xFFFF) 00:23:27 <Wolf01> it creates a loop, like: iron ore -> steel -> goods -> iron ore 00:24:02 <Bjarni> to me it looks more like you request autoreplace in orders 00:24:17 <Bjarni> hmm 00:24:20 <Bjarni> tricky 00:24:25 <Wolf01> there is already the autorefit in orders 00:24:31 <Bjarni> I know 00:24:34 <Bjarni> I wrote it ;) 00:24:45 <Wolf01> so it shouldn't be an hard change ;) 00:25:00 <Bjarni> but refit needs 2 bytes. Autoreplace on the other hand will need an additional 4 bytes 00:25:12 <Bjarni> to every single order 00:25:23 <Wolf01> i know, you already told me it :) 00:25:32 <Bjarni> since the design forces all orders to be the same size 00:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> maybe you should rather concentrate on a complete order redesign 00:27:09 <Bjarni> maybe I should just concentrate on my already way too long TODO list 00:28:28 <Wolf01> :) 00:28:44 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:31:49 <glx> Bjarni: it's have or has, not got 00:33:48 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:58 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 00:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> i always view "got" as the lazy man's abbreviation of the english construct "have got", which i never really understood 00:40:44 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-163.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:36 <Wolf01> night all 01:00:43 *** Wolf01 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Tron 06:22:36 <Ailure> hmm 06:22:37 <Ailure> hehe 06:22:46 <Ailure> looking at the stats, I'm not too far from passing celestar. 06:23:01 <Ailure> Who hadn't been here for eight days apparently. :o 06:23:12 <Ailure> heh 07:24:53 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:02:32 <peter1138> pom te pom 08:31:14 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 08:40:47 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75E61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:45:23 *** Tron_ [ZEkSJekf@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 08:47:11 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C313.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:05 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:48:16 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB55E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:48 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5243.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:40 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:29 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.146.46] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 09:08:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B830CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:10:16 <Darkvater> morning 09:11:18 <Tron_> morning, Darkvater 09:11:47 <peter1138> hi 09:11:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B846DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:11:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:13:12 <Darkvater> another Monday... blergh 09:14:04 * Tron_ hands Darkvater a petition to ban mondays 09:15:15 <Darkvater> would that help? :) 09:15:25 <Darkvater> moody monday will just turn into terrible tuesday 09:15:53 <Tron_> look closer. it's a petition for banning mondays - physical AND logical mondays! 09:16:20 <Darkvater> ah, the fine print 09:17:49 <Darkvater> do we want another RC or push for the final? 09:19:21 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F428.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:05 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F428.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:02 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:22:08 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:24 <Darkvater> what's up with bjarni's uncontrollable use of the word 'got'? horrible 09:24:32 <Tron_> i got no idea 09:24:34 <Tron_> *duck* 09:25:00 <Rubidium> Darkvater: I think a RC5 and if nothing shows up, we can tag it again as 0.5 09:25:14 <peter1138> RC5, yes 09:25:22 <Tron_> uh, did somebody do something about the terraforming issue? 09:25:31 <peter1138> hmm 09:25:53 <Darkvater> Rubidium: were there any issues in RC4? 09:26:02 <Darkvater> except for tron's out-of-bounds access 09:26:19 <peter1138> the "you can terraform one way but not the other" issue with steep slopes 09:27:30 <peter1138> at least it doesn't result in invalid slopes, i guess 09:27:36 <Rubidium> for example the issue with russian 09:27:52 <Darkvater> Rubidium: there doesn't need to be an RC5 for that :) 09:28:16 <Rubidium> true, though such an issue could appear again 09:28:59 <Darkvater> it could, although strgen is toughened up against this; so it'll only happen if some language changed the pragma to english 09:29:09 <Darkvater> in which case I will kick MiHaMiX in the balls 09:29:11 <Darkvater> ^^ 09:29:21 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 09:30:57 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 09:31:00 <Darkvater> oh 09:31:37 <Darkvater> Rubidium: do you think the console 'connect' command should do a pre-check for valid grfs? Or since it's an 'advanced' command, just load the game and bail out if something's missing 09:31:40 <peter1138> hmm 09:31:46 <peter1138> my power is going to go off soon 09:32:05 <Darkvater> battery running out? 09:32:24 <peter1138> no, having some new wiring put in 09:32:37 <Darkvater> he, reminds me. I downloaded DirectX SDK yesterday, all 450MB of goodliness 09:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75E61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:23 <Darkvater> now, imagine this: you open the file, which is an executable archive, just to find an executable zip-archive inside for a whopping 460MB!! 09:33:38 <Darkvater> now am I the only one to find this braindead? 09:34:22 <peter1138> hehe 09:35:16 <Darkvater> well peter1138 take care in the offline world :) 09:39:52 <Rubidium> Darkvater: it should be fairly easy to implement (I think) 09:40:35 <Darkvater> although it should probably go into the NetworkConnect() code, or whichever it is 09:41:00 <Darkvater> cause, as the console cmd shows, the check is now only in the gui 09:41:10 <Darkvater> (and after load game; which is suboptimal) 09:42:40 <Rubidium> network_server.cpp:DEF_SERVER_RECEIVE_COMMAND(PACKET_CLIENT_JOIN) <- that would be a nice place to test for the GRFs 09:43:01 <Darkvater> shouldn't the client check this? :) 09:43:31 <Rubidium> hmm, true 09:45:02 <Darkvater> Tron_: don't think anyone looked at the terraform issue yet; it's the first time I hear it 09:45:02 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 09:49:07 <Tron_> hm, it's not the first time i mention this 09:50:55 <Tron_> what are the exact circumstances... 09:52:27 <Darkvater> vague ;p 09:54:31 <Tron_> peter1138? 09:54:38 *** ceji [~ceji@imapc47.epfl.ch] has joined #openttd 09:55:13 <peter1138> hmm? 09:59:26 <Tron_> do you remember the exact circumstances for the terraform problem? 10:03:43 <peter1138> yeah, if you've got horizontal/vertical track on steep slopes you can terraform in one direction but then not the other direction afterwards 10:06:10 <Tron_> yep 10:06:26 <Tron_> hm, maybe after lunch 10:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> sounds like an instance of "it is not possible to build anything on steep slopes anyway" 10:13:48 <Tron_> it is possible 10:15:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, but not at the time the terraforming code was written 10:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> so it is not checked against... 10:16:58 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB55E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 10:20:36 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:20:54 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@tin.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 10:33:25 <peter1138> wb 10:33:31 <peter1138> hee, 10 minutes ago ;p 10:37:31 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:41:01 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 10:46:10 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C313.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 10:51:44 <Darkvater> hmm, isn't the sound driver a bit flaky? It only starts playing or loading a new sound in the buffer if the buffer has finished playing this sound? 10:52:09 <Darkvater> our own mixer mixes the sounds, but once you started playing you can't mix in some other sound 10:52:18 <Darkvater> I might be reading the code wrongly though 10:54:32 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:56:37 <peter1138> yes 10:56:57 <peter1138> not flaky, just a small limit to the number of sounds 10:57:01 <peter1138> which is... a define 10:59:24 <Darkvater> well it is flaky if you start playing a sound and a new sound is requested inthe meantime it can only be played once the first sound is finished 10:59:43 <peter1138> yeah 10:59:54 <peter1138> i have to implement priority for newgrf sounds 11:00:01 <peter1138> so that might solve it, heh 11:00:03 <Darkvater> just curious cause I started writing a DirectSound driver :) 11:00:46 <peter1138> using the API's mixer? 11:01:13 <Darkvater> which doesn't have the callback functionality used by the other drivers, so I either mix it myself or use events to get the sounds from the mixer 11:01:17 <peter1138> my sdlmixer patch adds abstraction to that 11:01:39 <Darkvater> or something...not entirely done with that ;p. Had to download the whole sdk for dsound.lib yesterday :s 11:01:39 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:44 <peter1138> heh 11:02:20 <Darkvater> yeah, you're right your sdlmixer patch had a lot more sounddriver-functions 11:04:14 <Darkvater> I'll want it working primitivly first..directx adventure for me :) 11:07:08 <Rubidium> Darkvater: http://rubidium.student.utwente.nl/openttd/newgrf-connect-check.diff <- quite a lot of that code is actually moving around some functions, so stuff can be reused 11:08:37 <Darkvater> -#define NETWORK_MASTER_SERVER_HOST "master.openttd.org" 11:08:37 <Darkvater> +#define NETWORK_MASTER_SERVER_HOST "localhost" 11:08:39 <Darkvater> ? 11:08:56 <peter1138> testing server :) 11:09:22 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 11:09:39 <Rubidium> oh, that's because I've been testing the new masterserver stuff :) 11:10:20 <Darkvater> hehe I'll have to look at it at home, cause the diff is confusing (no big picture) :) 11:10:50 <Darkvater> but if/when we add this, I'd need to ask you to backport it to 0.5 :). Way too many network/cpp changes going on 11:13:15 <Rubidium> basically it now sends a packet with the used GRFs to the client after the first packet from the client and when the client replies it continues as it would have done if no GRFs were loaded (i.e. those two extra packets are only sent when NewGRFs are used) 11:14:41 <Darkvater> hmm, if I am right with this patch we now have 3 places to check for newgrf's right? network-gui, afterload-game and pre-join. We should unify this if possible 11:15:00 <Darkvater> Rubidium: I'll have a look at home, the shuffling does not show nicely in vim, but doesn't look bad 11:15:16 <Darkvater> o_O 11:15:17 <Darkvater> STR_NETWORK_ERR_CLIENT_NOT_AUTHORIZED :not authorized 11:15:26 <Darkvater> 'authorised' ;p 11:17:41 *** Sacro [~cgiircuse@hub.chriscole.info] has joined #openttd 11:17:52 <Sacro> http://www.chriscole.info/cgiirc/irc.cgi for later usage :D 11:18:18 *** Sacro [~cgiircuse@hub.chriscole.info] has quit [] 11:18:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FF3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:20:51 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:28:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:38:58 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 11:40:06 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-956370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:40:37 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18025.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:43:10 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83.65.232.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:00 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:51:00 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:58 *** TSC [~user@c220-237-36-237.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FF3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:58 *** ceji [~ceji@imapc47.epfl.ch] has left #openttd [] 12:54:03 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355abe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:04:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FF3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 13:26:16 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:31:55 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:32:00 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 13:34:09 *** wolfryu [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:08 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:16 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@dns1.netanday.it] has joined #openttd 13:35:18 <Wolf01> ello 13:35:58 <Wolf01> i red you just found the slopes terraform bug i found some days ago :) 13:39:05 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:01 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:00 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:48:32 <peter1138> hmm? 13:48:34 <peter1138> ages ago 13:51:04 <Wolf01> 9 days ago 13:51:09 <Wolf01> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/view/2007-01-20~1025#goto 13:51:39 <Wolf01> but nobody noticed me 13:54:05 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 13:55:23 <peter1138> Wolf01: i knew about it months ago 13:57:12 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:59 <Wolf01> peter, that's not a race, but if you want to know, i know it since the extended slopes, but i wanted to say about it only 9 days ago ;) 13:58:28 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:04 <peter1138> heh 14:18:40 <Wolf01> i was thinking about an improvement for station building, what about ctrl+dynamite removes an entire platform of a station? sometime is usefull when you want to move a station by one tile or if you want to remove one or two platforms in the middle of a station to make it split by the mainline 14:20:05 <Wolf01> should be "remove all tiles in both direction until you find a turned platform or a non-platform tile" 14:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> Wolf01: make station+bulldozer draggable 14:20:33 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:37 <Wolf01> right, also that should be nice 14:21:45 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 14:34:12 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 14:38:57 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 14:43:05 <Sacro> !seeen Bjarni 14:43:12 <Sacro> !seen Bjarni 14:43:13 <_42_> Sacro, Bjarni (~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) was last seen quitting #openttd 13 hours 13 minutes ago (29.01. 01:30) stating "Quit: Leaving" after spending 4 hours 50 minutes there. 14:45:13 <peter1138> Wolf01: i'd rather the bulldozer would work on areas, heh 14:54:01 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:08 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 14:55:56 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:23 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 15:08:39 <Wolf01> mmh what a boring working day :| 15:15:36 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:23:51 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 15:31:10 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:36:48 *** Tron_ [ZEkSJekf@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:47:54 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:48:08 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:19 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 15:54:53 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:18 <Wolf01> bbl 16:20:20 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@dns1.netanday.it] has quit [] 16:21:36 <peter1138> Brianetta: heh, NKG very_slow (http://ppcis.org/standard/grfs.zip) 149.156.133.1 0 / 10 3 / 8 r8285-MiniIN 16:22:13 <Darkvater> << another day well spent :) 16:22:18 <Brianetta> NKG? 16:22:46 <peter1138> just noticed the random server directly linking to your download 16:22:57 <peter1138> dunno if it's a problem 16:23:03 <Brianetta> not really 16:23:07 <peter1138> ok 16:23:49 <Brianetta> I might have to destroy their career and harm their family, of course 16:24:18 <peter1138> that goes without saying 16:25:02 <Brianetta> or I could just have the server give a different file to Polish IPs 16:25:19 <Brianetta> redirect them to smoe huge download 16:25:31 <Brianetta> The Linux kernel, maybe... 16:25:39 <Brianetta> but poor MeusH would be unable to play then 16:37:43 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7621.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:53 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489DE75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:31 *** Tron_ [fVT74AiY@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 16:59:55 <peter1138> heh 17:02:12 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:39 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 17:09:23 *** wolfryu [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:44 *** wolfryu [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:23 *** wolfy [~wolf@ip52-73-210-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:20 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:20 *** wolfryu [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:20:59 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F44F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:11 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E0BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB55E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.232.177] has joined #openttd 17:33:40 <Wolf01> ello 17:33:42 *** Maedhros [~jc@smtp.gentoo.org] has joined #openttd 17:34:09 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-956370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:07 *** Rens2Eat is now known as Rens2Sea 17:44:13 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:25 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:47 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-87-102-41-169.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:51:49 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-87-102-41-169.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 18:03:49 *** peter_ [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:54 *** peter_ is now known as peter1138 18:04:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:50 *** znikoz [znikoz@49-201-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:10 <znikoz> MiHaMiX: The following strings can't be committed to the DB... 18:17:10 <znikoz> * STR_0032_OIL.r: Already the same in the DB! 18:17:10 <znikoz> how i can delete string pending in session? 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Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 18:48:35 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp31-147.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:02:48 *** peter1138 is now known as peter1138_away 19:02:59 *** peter1138_away is now known as peter1138 19:05:02 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 19:05:11 <Gorre> morning 19:05:45 <Gorre> Is there anyway I can tell the world I'm an idiot? 19:06:09 <Wolf01> i'm stupid, we are in two 19:06:10 <blathijs> You could win a nobel prize? 19:06:57 <Gorre> Wrong, wrong! You should have written "Of course, just type your name, where you live and your confession" 19:06:59 <Wolf01> i can't get to work the drag&drop remove station... or i remove a single tile, or i bulldoze the entire station -.- 19:07:40 <blathijs> Gorre: Huh? 19:07:47 <blathijs> Gorre: Is that a quote from somewhere, or what? 19:07:57 <Gorre> ofcourse 19:08:22 <Gorre> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Of+course%2C+just+type+your+name%2C+where+you+live+and+your+confession 19:08:28 <Gorre> This one made my day.. 19:08:55 <Wolf01> i think the poll speak for me: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29627 19:09:40 <blathijs> Gorre: I knew I had seen it somewhere 19:10:12 <blathijs> (The answer, I didn't recognize the question) 19:10:56 <Gorre> Sure, eating a piece of bash.org every day is quite healthy for my stomach 19:20:40 <Wolf01> 1 vote for "i don't like your patches" that's Sacro... 19:21:07 <Wolf01> or peter 19:21:18 <Wolf01> both they hate me 19:22:04 <Gorre> Im sure this kind of hate is called "jealousy" 19:24:51 *** znikoz [znikoz@49-201-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has left #openttd [] 19:27:28 <peter1138> Wolf01, I don't like persistent begging... 19:28:06 <Wolf01> i don't like being ignored because "your patches aren't good as ours" 19:32:05 <peter1138> Heh 19:32:09 <peter1138> I didn't vote, by the way 19:33:31 <peter1138> However... 19:33:34 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7621.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33:41 <peter1138> I don't know if transparent station names should be part of it 19:34:04 <peter1138> 'cos I wouldn't want that to change when I toggle transparency on/off 19:34:39 <peter1138> See... I even looked at it ;-P 19:40:05 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 19:41:33 *** znikoz [znikoz@49-201-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:38 *** znikoz [znikoz@49-201-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:38 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:33 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:58:06 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:04:32 <peter1138> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6310659.stm 20:04:33 <peter1138> lovely 20:05:05 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:33 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:10 <Sacro> i have not voted 20:26:14 <Sacro> im not even at home 20:26:52 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:27:37 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 20:31:26 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:11 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:34:14 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176104250.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:36:58 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176121222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:49 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 20:39:09 <Brianetta> Why is that story categorised under health? 20:40:16 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:49 <voodoo070> cause its not healthy to freeze to death 20:49:58 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:53:28 * Dextro ouve Monty Python - Every Sperm Is Sacred 20:55:31 *** Gorre [dik@ip-89-102-198-103.karneval.cz] has quit [Quit: Socially inept? You bet I am!] 20:58:21 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:03 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:00:32 <KeeperOfTheSoul> is there a way to set the full screen size seperatly to the window size when normal? 21:04:53 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:16:51 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:23 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:33:57 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:34:18 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.229/openTTD/St.%20Chindean%20Transport,%2020th%20Jun%201961.png 21:34:20 <Ailure> I love this picture 21:34:25 <Ailure> shows why boredom and openTTD is bad 21:34:47 <Ailure> especially when you have the cheat code window handy, just for thoose moments :D 21:35:10 <Ailure> yes i'm one of thoose guys who do 'expriments' in simulator games. 21:36:26 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> what i find particularly interesting is that they (a) explode (b) befo 21:41:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> re they hit the ground 21:42:06 <Ailure> yeah 21:42:06 <Ailure> haha 21:42:11 <Ailure> and not only that 21:42:17 <Ailure> but the rotors keeps rotating 21:42:21 <Ailure> while they're on the ground 21:42:24 <Ailure> for quite awhile as well 21:42:41 <Ailure> (understandable though, as helicopters normally don't crash) 21:43:11 <Ailure> and I belive "run out of fuel" crash is a openTTD feature 21:43:20 <Ailure> only to prevent planes from circlin around position 0,0 21:43:54 <peter1138> No commits today? hmm 21:44:00 <hylje> save the day! 21:54:20 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has left #openttd [] 22:00:00 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C313.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:04:37 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:08:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:31 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:40 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:13:20 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E9DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:00 *** Wolfy [~wolf@a61145.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:17 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:18:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:19:14 <Bjarni> hello people 22:19:20 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:19:43 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0F44F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:51 <Digitalfox> Hey guys i have a big question and very important.. I have a Windows Server 2003 machine and i want to pass the Operating System to another disk, the disk where it is now is a 120 GB and i need to pass it to a 300GB disk.. 22:20:58 <Digitalfox> How can i do this? 22:21:14 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:21:29 <Digitalfox> Is there a software that makes direct copy and makes the new OS partition to work? 22:21:50 <caladan> Hmmm 22:21:55 <caladan> what fs? 22:21:58 <caladan> ntfs? 22:21:59 <Digitalfox> NTFS 22:22:08 <caladan> linux? :> 22:22:18 <caladan> make a prarition that is 120GBs big 22:22:20 <Digitalfox> Windows Server 2003 Enterprise SP1 22:22:29 <izhirahider> with linux would be a one-liner command :/ 22:22:37 <caladan> then boot linux 22:22:49 <caladan> you copy it like a raw data 22:22:55 <Digitalfox> caladan: What i need is to make a full copy of the partition and still make it boot with the os 22:23:01 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-151-60.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:19 <caladan> so make also copy of bootsector 22:23:21 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-140-81.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:23:32 <caladan> i used dd command for that 22:23:42 <Bjarni> Digitalfox: I see one major issue in your problem 22:24:01 <Digitalfox> well one disk the 120GB is in scsi and the other the new in SATA 22:24:21 <Bjarni> you used the words "Microsoft" and "Operation System" in the same sentence 22:24:30 <caladan> <LOL> 22:24:35 <Bjarni> you know nothing good will come out of anything starting that way :P 22:24:45 <Digitalfox> Bjarni: I know but this is very important and the machine is the same 22:24:50 <Digitalfox> no hardware changes 22:24:57 <peter1138> Digitalfox, it'll probably need a reinstall, or a recovery, for the different boot device... 22:24:59 <Bjarni> not true 22:25:03 <Bjarni> you changed the HD 22:25:05 <caladan> i would try to make that copy 22:25:17 <caladan> with linux 22:25:35 <caladan> dont even have to mount that src drive 22:25:35 <peter1138> Boot from the SCSI and set it up as a mirror on the SATA? 22:25:53 <caladan> why boot from that HD? 22:26:08 <caladan> some slax or somethng 22:26:22 <peter1138> If you don't have the tools to do a dd... 22:26:27 <Digitalfox> peter1138: diferent hardware the scuzi is a pci card with there own bios software and sata pci card with other bios software 22:26:49 <caladan> but data is written in the same way 22:26:50 <Digitalfox> when i say bios, i mean the software that boots the cards 22:26:52 <peter1138> and? 22:27:14 <Digitalfox> and that software doesn't recognize the other disk 22:27:25 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-125-222-139.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 22:27:44 *** TSC [~user@c220-237-36-237.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:27:50 <Digitalfox> i mean scsi recognize scsi but no sata and sata recognize sata but no scsi 22:28:01 <Digitalfox> so no raid 1 available 22:28:09 <peter1138> What on Earth are you talking about? 22:28:13 <caladan> hmm, manual copy :D 22:28:26 <caladan> he says h wanted to use raid 1 to do exact copy :D 22:28:27 <peter1138> WS2003 has software mirroring... 22:28:30 <Digitalfox> peter1138: i thought you were talking about a raid 1 22:28:38 <Digitalfox> by hardware 22:29:26 <peter1138> they're not hardware anyway 22:29:43 <peter1138> but that's irrelevant, heh 22:31:48 <caladan> hmm, i wonder how windows sees devices in the kernel 22:31:59 <caladan> in linux scsi would also me sdx 22:32:07 <caladan> just like sata... 22:33:35 *** Naksu_ is now known as Naksu 22:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> and what exactly prevents you from doing a dd? 22:36:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> and possibly ntfsresize 22:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> and then telling the boot-manager to use the other disk 22:37:05 <peter1138> caladan, windows does similar 22:37:40 * Bjarni decides to go off topic and starts talking about OpenTTD development 22:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> how dare you! :p 22:37:58 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/autoreplace_GUI.diff <-- do your duty and test this one 22:38:41 <Bjarni> hopefully the autoreplace window will still work as it should 22:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i don't even have a current trunk game... 22:39:38 <Bjarni> the only change to the user should be that the list to the right should no longer contain the engine selected in the left list (can't replace it itself) and it got more engines added since it look at refitting options 22:39:50 <Bjarni> apart from that, it should act the same way as in the trunk 22:40:11 <Bjarni> but when rewriting something, you need to test it to ensure that it will :) 22:40:33 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> you mean you add a wagon 5 times if it can be refitted to 5 goods? 22:41:35 <Bjarni> no 22:42:21 <Bjarni> I mean if you select an engine, that can only carry wood, it will show all the engines, that can be refitted to carry wood 22:42:38 <Bjarni> the trunk will only show engines, that carries wood by default 22:42:38 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C313.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:42:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> ugh... since when? 22:43:11 <Bjarni> hmm 22:45:19 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176104250.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:45:36 <Bjarni> actually it somewhat depends on what vehicle type you replace 22:45:42 <Bjarni> which is also something I changed 22:46:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, i probably only ever tried it with trains 22:46:42 <Bjarni> I wrote the code to work on all vehicle types instead of using switch-cases. That way, all vehicle types act the same 22:47:27 <Bjarni> ships were really broken when using the newships grf 22:48:11 <peter1138> all those commas really fuck that sentence up... 22:50:33 <Bjarni> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29716#543514 <-- here is an issue, that my patch will fix 22:50:41 * peter1138 > sleep 22:50:46 <Bjarni> yeah 22:50:48 <Digitalfox> Well guys just an update... I'm using Acronis True Image 9.1 Server and making a copy of partitions with some resize for new free space and it's working :) Thanks .. 22:50:49 *** peter1138 is now known as peter1138_away 22:50:58 <Bjarni> sleep is a minor thing 22:51:01 <Bjarni> so peter1138 is bigger than that 22:51:04 <Digitalfox> I just hope the OS is bootable 22:51:36 <caladan> Acronis used to do good programs :-) 22:51:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> peter1138_away: i would place the commas at exactly the same places 22:51:53 <izhirahider> One question: the new GRF's are only supposed to change the sprites of things like industries. Are there any other patch/grf/something that can change the name/behaviour of current industries, for instance? 22:52:03 <Bjarni> this channel used to be about OpenTTD 22:52:08 <Digitalfox> If this works i'll buy the license, cause it saves time and money in formatting :) 22:52:14 <Digitalfox> sorry bjarni 22:52:14 <Wolf01> good night all 22:52:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.232.177] has quit [] 22:52:20 <Digitalfox> no more talk :) 22:52:28 <Bjarni> well 22:52:33 <caladan> rgr, no more :D 22:52:54 <Bjarni> if people at least showed just a little interest in the patch that I have spent ages coding 22:53:21 <Digitalfox> Bjarni: But i use you patch :) 22:53:24 <caladan> i would, but i'm using windows (blah) right now :-) 22:53:30 <izhirahider> For instance, a patch to add a new industry like pharmaceutical industry that needs medical plants and plastic for instance, etc... 22:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> izhirahider: newgrfs are supposed to be able to change pretty much everything in the game, but changing industries is not yet supported in OTTD 22:53:51 <Bjarni> I don't mind people asking for help with certain problems in here as long as it will not take priority over OpenTTD 22:54:17 <voodoo070> i agree ;) 22:54:18 <KeeperOfTheSoul> then i have one, is there a way to set the full screen size seperatly to the window size when normal? :) 22:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: I can tell you it compiles, does that help? 22:54:31 <Bjarni> heh 22:54:33 <voodoo070> if only as user who likes to see development progress :) 22:54:40 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: I know that :P 22:55:03 <Bjarni> the question is if the right engines are displayed and if it do what you expect it to do 22:57:29 <Bjarni> voodoo070: well, if you are a user, who wants to see progress, then here is your chance to do something about it. Help verifying that this patch will not break the game ;) 22:58:50 <voodoo070> i might help out in the near future 22:59:02 <voodoo070> when i reinstall my linux setup 22:59:16 * Dominic waits for r8446 to checkout 22:59:20 <voodoo070> i dunno shit about windows tho, so atm i fear im not much help 22:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: err... when i switch between engines and wagons, nothing happens 23:00:06 <voodoo070> that is if linux testers are still required 23:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have to switch between normal/electric and back for it to update the list 23:00:27 <KeeperOfTheSoul> so would I be right in thinking that the window size and full screen resolution are tied to each other? 23:01:52 <izhirahider> Eddi|zuHause3, thanks 23:02:35 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 23:03:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: and the german strings do not fit on the buttons... 23:03:18 <caladan> That's problem with german language :D 23:03:24 <caladan> Too long words 23:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> they are phallus symbols ;) 23:03:55 <caladan> ah, sorry :D 23:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: and i've probably said this before: i'd rather have the wagons be displayed both for normal and electric rail 23:05:36 <Bjarni> hmm 23:05:46 <Bjarni> first: fix missing update 23:06:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 23:06:09 <Bjarni> then I can consider the "electric" wagons 23:06:59 * Dominic is lost; the build process has changed since the last time he compiled it 23:08:28 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387CBA2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:10:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 23:10:52 <Bjarni> diff updated 23:11:24 <Bjarni> now it updates when clicking the engine/wagon button and displays wagons for both normal and electric railtypes 23:12:05 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: go ahead and test if it ended up as you requested 23:12:38 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Koncim... www.hrada.info] 23:13:28 <Bjarni> Dominic: ./configure && make 23:13:30 <Bjarni> that should do it 23:14:09 <Dominic> yup, was just looking to see where the binaries ended up. Just run it from objs/release/ or is there a better way? 23:14:21 <Bjarni> make run 23:14:25 <Dominic> ah, ta 23:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> Dominic: binaries end up in bin/ 23:14:57 <Dominic> oh, didn't notice that, cheers :) 23:15:11 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause3> Bjarni: and the german strings do not fit on the buttons... <-- since I didn't change the size or the buttons or the strings, it's hardly a new issue 23:15:18 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C9EF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, but it IS an issue 23:15:51 <Bjarni> yeah 23:15:59 <Bjarni> but one, that's out of scope of this patch 23:16:54 <Bjarni> however 23:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> another thing, if you first open the list, the first engine gets selected, but if you switch lists (to wagons or electric), no engine is selected 23:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it's kinda scary to see the right list being emptied 23:17:23 <Bjarni> I do have an idea for something, that might help on the string issue, but I need to finish this patch first 23:18:24 <Bjarni> yeah I know 23:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i always wondered what the blue [company couloured?] panels next to the railtype list are for 23:19:25 <Bjarni> I know 23:19:35 <Bjarni> the first version of this window lacked those 23:19:53 <Bjarni> then people complained that it was ugly and hard to read, so I added them 23:19:57 <Bjarni> and the complains stopped 23:20:02 <Bjarni> that's what they are for 23:20:10 <Bjarni> and yes, they are company coloured 23:20:21 <Bjarni> they even updates if you change your company colour 23:21:00 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> i still don't understand them... they seem to serve no real purpose 23:22:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> and further limit the available space for the strings 23:22:22 <Bjarni> which makes a valid argument for removing them 23:22:39 <Bjarni> write a feature request ;) 23:26:11 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F428.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:31:22 <Digitalfox> 24h with no commits to svn... Strange, theres always at least one or two.. :| 23:32:01 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498EFE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> there were like 70 years of no commits to OTTD since the invention of computers 23:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> or like 8000 years of no commits since the forming of the first cultures 23:43:01 <Sacro> how did they survive... 23:44:56 <Bjarni> diff updated 23:45:09 <Bjarni> now it should select something when you select a new railtype 23:45:34 <Bjarni> Sacro: stop wondering about mysteries like that 23:45:47 <Bjarni> you will never be able to figure it out anyway 23:45:51 <Sacro> :( 23:45:56 <Bjarni> correction: 23:46:02 <Bjarni> YOU will never be able to figure it out anyway 23:46:11 <Bjarni> :P 23:46:12 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:46:30 * Sacro sniffles upset in the corner 23:47:13 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355abe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 23:47:18 <Bjarni> <Digitalfox> 24h with no commits to svn... Strange, theres always at least one or two.. :| <-- it makes you wonder. Maybe we code in secret and will not use the public svn server 23:47:23 <Bjarni> just to annoy you 23:47:26 <Sacro> :o 23:47:30 <Sacro> nooooooooooooooooes 23:47:38 * Sacro monitors all connections from Bjarni's pc 23:47:56 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: do the window feel less scary now? 23:48:06 <glx> [00:47:40] Sacro monitors all connections from Bjarni's pc <-- good luck to find it :) 23:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah :) 23:48:17 * Bjarni cuts all connections to the secret svn server 23:48:26 <SpComb> time for tor 23:48:28 <Sacro> hmmmm 23:48:39 <Sacro> how weevil 23:48:56 <SpComb> such are OpenTTD developers 23:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... if i was so paranoid to not trust anyone on the net, why would i trust the people behind tor? 23:49:46 <Bjarni> if I were truly evil, then I would show you faked screenshots and tell that they are produced with my local modifications 23:49:54 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: stfu! 23:50:00 <Bjarni> what is tor? 23:50:00 * Sacro almost gets his plans foiled 23:50:12 <Sacro> Bjarni: the shuttlezord 23:50:16 <SpComb> or you could generate the local modifications from the faked screenshots 23:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> if i am correctly informed, tor is some kind of anonymization 23:50:30 <SpComb> "code audit reveals that OpenTTD is nothing but a modification of the Microsoft PowerPoint engine" 23:50:37 <Sacro> Bjarni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tor_the_shuttle_zord.JPG 23:51:51 <KeeperOfTheSoul> right, as far as I can tell, if you're in windowed mode and you resize the window this alters the fullscreen resolution, am i right? 23:52:05 <Bjarni> that's right 23:52:08 <Bjarni> I think 23:52:30 * Sacro rofles 23:52:38 <Bjarni> however 23:52:46 <Bjarni> it could be OS dependent 23:52:54 <Bjarni> I mean 23:53:44 <Sacro> Bjarni: you have no idea 23:53:45 <Bjarni> it's possible that if some OS switches the game to fullscreen, it figures out that it can't set the monitor to 672x597 and then the OS decides which resolution you want to switch to 23:54:03 <Bjarni> or some OS specific code decides for you 23:54:53 <KeeperOfTheSoul> it's just that I have to edit the config file to set the resolution I want, but everytime I window it and change the window I'm unable to return to fullscreen, and the config now stores the previous window size on quit 23:55:50 <Bjarni> lol 23:56:00 <Bjarni> now that's an issue 23:56:05 <KeeperOfTheSoul> yeah, i then have to quit to make it full screen 23:56:05 <Bjarni> well 23:56:17 <glx> you can set it in config window 23:56:17 <KeeperOfTheSoul> so i can edit the config 23:56:21 <Bjarni> luckily we got the game options that can chance the resolution 23:56:34 <KeeperOfTheSoul> glx: I can't the resolution I use doesn't appear in the list 23:56:56 <glx> what is your resolution? 23:56:56 <KeeperOfTheSoul> dispite the fact it shows in the display options (it's a custom resolution added through the nVidia control panel) 23:57:24 <Bjarni> what OS? Win XP? 23:57:27 <KeeperOfTheSoul> my monitor is 1920x1200 native, but that leaves the game to small to see anything so I am using 960x600 23:57:31 <KeeperOfTheSoul> Win XP 23:58:08 <glx> I have 960*600 in resolution list 23:58:16 <KeeperOfTheSoul> I was thinking that the fullscreen res and the windowed size should be seperated, seems that the tweek could be applied in the toggle fullscreen part 23:58:26 <Bjarni> doesn't 960x600 make the viewed area too small? 23:58:44 <KeeperOfTheSoul> Bjarni: yeah, but its that or everything is just too small to see 23:59:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> ever heard of Ctrl+D? 23:59:16 <Bjarni> what about a normal size like 1280x(something to fit your screen)? 23:59:46 <KeeperOfTheSoul> Eddi|zuHause3: i tried it, but it makes everything blocky, the game looks better when run 960x600 instead of 1920x1200 double size