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Log for #openttd on 22nd February 2007:
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00:33:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r8839 /trunk/Makefile.src.in: -Fix: escape slashes in sed for mingw Makefile.dep stuff. It worked with sed 3.02 (provided by msys) but sed 4.1.4 (from gnuwin32.sf.net) failed.
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01:20:56  <Sacro> :o
01:21:02  <Sacro> LE CRYSTAL MAZE THEME
01:21:29  <Sacro> ooh, wrong channel
01:21:48  <Sionide> legendary programme
01:21:53  <Sionide> watched an episode yesterday
01:22:08  <Sionide> kinda prefer fort boyard though
01:22:19  <Sionide> if only cos of melinda messengers tits...
01:22:22  <Sionide> O_o
01:23:48  <Sacro> they where impressive
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06:57:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8840 /trunk/src/ (queue.cpp queue.h):
06:57:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
06:57:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove FIFO and Stack. They have never been used and could not be used anyway because the declarations of some functions are spelled different than the definitions they should correspond to.
06:57:26  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Also remove some other unused helpers and related struct attributes.
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07:18:27  <peter1138> but but but, richard o'brien!
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07:32:14  <Tron> morning, peter1138
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08:43:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8841 /trunk/src/ (14 files in 2 dirs):
08:43:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
08:43:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove {,u}intswap() and replace them by Swap()
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09:54:56  <PandaMojo> I seem to be limited to 16 bus stations per station?  Bah!
10:03:30  <Nigel> PandaMojo: thats the station spread limitaton no?
10:03:35  <PandaMojo> No.
10:03:47  <PandaMojo> They're in a rectangle, well within my current spread of 12
10:04:10  <PandaMojo> I'm playing around with those roro bus stations :)
10:09:07  <Arkus> roro bus stations? how does that work?
10:09:31  <peter1138> roll on, roll off?
10:09:37  <PandaMojo> Arkus: Pretty well :)
10:09:44  <PandaMojo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=556676#556676
10:09:50  <peter1138> and yes, there is an arbitrary limit of 16
10:09:58  <PandaMojo> "Drive-Through Road Vehicle Stops"
10:10:05  <Arkus> oh those
10:10:06  <hylje> else the pathfinder goes nuts?
10:10:20  <Maedhros> that wouldn't be arbitrary ;)
10:11:58  <peter1138> the pathfinder does not concern itself with trivialities such as choosing a road stop
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11:31:00  <Smoovious> the RoRo road stops need to be able to set non-stop on the vehicles
11:31:20  <Smoovious> as for 16 stops... how many more do you need?
11:31:54  <hylje> massive bus/freight terminals are not feasible due to the somewhat primitive road logic we have now
11:32:36  <Smoovious> yeah, but 16 has always been way more than I ever needed... and I play a lot of games building nothing but roadies
11:33:15  <Smoovious> needing more than 16 road stations as part of a single station, IMHO, is a pretty good sign you need to put a train there
11:33:42  <setrodox> well, sometimes it's fun to restrict oneself ^^
11:34:07  <setrodox> like not doing direct harbor -> train transfers at all but having to use harbor -> truck -> train instead ^^
11:34:17  <Smoovious> yeah, but even so... its not like you're being fed with a 4-lane(plus-left-turn) street for them...
11:35:01  <setrodox> well, i used multiple streets which weren't connected together at all
11:35:21  <Smoovious> besides... what's stopping you making a very wide 1-tile-length train station with individual tracks, so you have a single doodlebug on each track? :D
11:36:01  <Smoovious> (been thinking of doing that sometime just to make my players who stumble across it go "WTF?!"
11:36:25  <setrodox> doodlebug? <:o
11:37:46  <Smoovious> yeah... think of an old bus, with rail wheels replacing the rubber tires...
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13:23:27  <Wolf01> hello
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13:26:47  <Roel> Hmm, I have almost 50 trains that are too old.. is there an easy way to replace them?
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13:30:30  <Wolf01> turn on autorenew
13:31:24  <Roel> ah, that should help..:)
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14:11:55  <Belugas> hello everyone
14:12:20  <hylje> hello Belugas
14:15:43  <Wolf01> hello Belugas
14:34:23  <Darkvater> Maedhros: so decided against using the knowledge of max string len in the grf warning window?
14:34:26  <Darkvater> hi Belugas
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14:37:34  <lugo> hi
14:38:25  <HMage> Darkvater: how's directsound thing going?
14:39:17  <Darkvater> well, it's been finished more or less for a week now...just can't figure out a proper way to interface the driver with openttd
14:39:32  <Darkvater> eg what should I pass as parameters and how to handle the memory
14:39:46  <HMage> need help?
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14:40:20  <Darkvater> sure, two usually see more than one :)
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14:41:15  <HMage> you're talking about parameters for directsound functions and buffer memory?
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14:41:23  <Darkvater> hang on
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14:42:57  <lugo> narf, i neither can compile trunk nor miniin; it should compile porperly when downloading from svn shoudlnt it? sorry im new to this
14:44:30  <Darkvater> HMage: currently static void DSoundPlaySound(int sound, int panning, byte vol)
14:44:43  <Darkvater> HMage: I'm in a pickle about how to interface DSoundPlaySound with OpenTTD
14:45:28  <HMage> and how MME sound was done before?
14:46:11  <Darkvater> HMage: until now all sound was mixed in openttd itself and the sounddriver executed a callback function when it was ready with the data to request more from the mixer
14:46:25  <glx> lugo: OS, compiler?
14:46:35  <lugo> glx, gentoo, gcc
14:46:58  <glx> what errors do you get?
14:47:39  <lugo> mom, pastebinning
14:47:50  <HMage> Darkvater: I think you should stub the dsound mixer that does nothing, mixer will just call dsoundplaysound().
14:47:51  <Darkvater> HMage: it's a lot harder to do with DirectSound, since you can only set up a notification to set an event when the cursor is somewhere and you continually have to monitor this through your own timer
14:48:29  <peter1138> indirectsound
14:48:59  <Darkvater> HMage: the mixer doesn't call anything..it is just called
14:49:23  <HMage> Darkvater: 1) it's not the only way 2) if you want, you can send whole wave audio buffer completely, so you won't have to worry about buffers. restriction is you'll have to limit the max wav file size to about 2 minutes or so.
14:49:26  <Darkvater> now perhaps I am terribly bad at directsound but I could not concuct a way to have a reliable stream this way
14:49:55  <lugo> glx: http://pastebin.com/886556
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14:50:37  <Darkvater> HMage: I had to play a lot with notifications, callback timers, buffersizes and find a mix that works perfectly
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14:51:12  <Darkvater> didn't really work out, and it'd suck if format changes, so I just went the way of allocating secondary buffers for sounds through dsound and let it take care of it
14:51:17  <Tron_> scrap all backends except SDL *sigh*
14:51:21  <Darkvater> these buffers are then cleaned up when finished
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14:51:51  <ATOJ> hi
14:52:14  <HMage> Darkvater: that's actually it should've been for small sounds. tracking their buffers is inefficient.
14:52:33  <HMage> 5minute music - well that's another story.
14:52:38  <ATOJ> Anyone who can help me...i want to make my own server and i dont know what i am doing bad...but i think that the people dont see my server when this is made
14:52:52  <HMage> ATOJ: check your router/NAT settings
14:53:09  <ATOJ> my two ports are opened
14:53:35  <Darkvater> HMage: yeah, when I got it to work reliably I had to set such a small callback interval that performance was shot
14:54:02  <ATOJ>  3978 and  3979 are opened
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14:54:26  <Darkvater> HMage: so well anyways. I was thinking of doing the following
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14:54:51  <Darkvater> DSoundPlaySound(int* buf, size_t len, int panning, byte vol)
14:54:56  * peter1138 wonders how well the sdl audio stuff works on vista
14:55:02  <lugo> glx: do you see anything in that?
14:55:18  <glx> lugo: I see weird things :)
14:55:20  <Darkvater> but then I would need to free the buffer in the calling function, or not, depending if the sound driver uses this buffer or makes a copy
14:56:17  <peter1138> yeah, station.h line 13 has no <<
14:56:30  <Darkvater> so I dropped that. Passing a FileEntry* can also work but then it needs exposure to hal.h which I also don't like
14:56:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> looks like conflict lines to me
14:56:58  <Darkvater> so we're left with passing 'int sound' and going through the whole retrieval
14:57:06  <lugo> glx: weird, isn't it
14:57:13  <ATOJ> anyone can help me with a server which i want to make it public to the people?
14:57:19  <HMage> Darkvater: see private query.
14:57:22  <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause2: *nod*
14:57:37  <glx> lugo: as Eddi|zuHause2 said, it looks like conflicts
14:58:01  <glx> do you have any patches applied?
14:59:09  <ATOJ> anyone can help me with a server which i want to make it public to the people?plz...query me...
15:01:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8843 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp:
15:01:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
15:01:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Off-by-one error in accessing a buffer (if you start at the second byte you have to subtract one from the size)
15:01:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Also avoid an unnecessary buffer copy and strlcpy() abuse
15:01:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: NOTE: 0.5 candidate
15:02:59  <lugo> glx: i tried to apply tramroads; but i reverted all changes, since it didn't compile
15:03:29  <glx> svn revert -R . ?
15:03:46  <lugo> something like that? :)
15:03:51  <lugo> i mean yes
15:04:02  <glx> it should compile then
15:05:17  <lugo> weird, i flushed everything now, compiling a fresh copy, let's see what happens
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15:12:33  <Darkvater> WTF?
15:12:35  <Darkvater> I get
15:12:42  <Darkvater> sal.h(226) : error C2144: syntax error : 'int' should be preceded by ';'
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15:16:23  <Roel> the line above it misses an ; ?
15:16:39  <Roel> int a int b; ?
15:16:49  <ATOG> anyone who can help me with my own server ? i want to make it public...
15:17:41  <ATOG> plz
15:20:35  <HMage> ATOG: start your openttd server. Is it unmodified?
15:21:45  <ATOG> yes
15:21:49  <ATOG> but
15:21:55  <ATOG> however
15:22:01  <ATOG> i dont start with openttd server
15:22:05  <ATOG> i just open ttd
15:22:08  <ATOG> and
15:22:33  <ATOG> multiplayer>start a server
15:22:46  <HMage> yup, that's right. That's what I meant.
15:22:53  <ATOG> k
15:23:07  <ATOG> my server is called #Fast OpenTTD Server
15:23:16  <ATOG> but i think that isnt appear on list
15:23:25  <HMage> ATOG: did you start it?
15:23:26  <ATOG> iam on the game playing
15:23:28  <ATOG> yes
15:23:37  <ATOG> but i think that people dont see it
15:23:46  <HMage> ok, now I'm gonna check if you can be reached from outside world.
15:23:51  <ATOG> ok
15:23:55  <glx> you select "internet(advertise)" ?
15:24:12  <ATOG> si
15:24:15  <ATOG> yes
15:24:23  <HMage> spanish?
15:24:25  <ATOG> si
15:24:34  <ATOG> yes :p
15:24:39  <glx> do you have a router/firewall ?
15:24:50  <ATOG> i have router but i opened the two ports
15:25:04  <HMage> did you route those ports to your PC?
15:25:12  <ATOG> yes
15:25:24  <ATOG> 3979 and 3978 for udp and tcp
15:26:07  <ATOG> im going to trying again open other server
15:26:07  <glx> I see it in the list
15:26:10  <ATOG> oh
15:26:14  <ATOG> sure?
15:26:17  <ATOG> try to come in
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15:26:54  <HMage> your port 3978 is open
15:27:04  <ATOG> yes
15:27:09  <ATOG> a man came in
15:27:13  <ATOG> i think everything is ok
15:28:10  <ATOG> thanks HMage and glx
15:28:36  <HMage> you're welcome. though I did nothing :)
15:31:51  <Darkvater> Roel: it's sal.h an INTERNAL header file
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15:38:44  <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: ?
15:39:12  <Darkvater> OMFG
15:39:16  <Darkvater> s/* $Id: newgrf_config.cpp 8838 2007-02-21 23:18:08Z maedhros $ */
15:39:20  <Darkvater> fucking typo
15:39:27  <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: nvm
15:45:09  <KUDr_wrk> here
15:45:43  <Darkvater> I am stupid
15:45:52  <Darkvater> you can go back to your usual business :)
15:45:55  <KUDr_wrk> me too
15:46:00  <KUDr_wrk> :)
15:46:28  <peter1138> . . .
15:46:38  <Darkvater> you too peter1138 ?
15:47:16  <Belugas> "you too Brutus?"
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15:58:58  <peter1138> hmm?
16:05:44  <Belugas> that is what Julius Ceasar said when he was stabbed by his son
16:05:52  <Belugas> old history...
16:06:08  <glx> I think it was "you too my son"
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16:11:55  <nairan> in german it was translated with "auch du mein sohn brutus"
16:12:13  <Belugas> glx : you are right :)
16:16:50  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8844 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_config.cpp newgrf_config.h oldloader.cpp): -Revert partly (r8820, r8806): Change AppendToGRFConfigList to add the allocated GRFConfig to its list and not copy it.
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16:23:49  <Darkvater> peter1138: got a moment? :)
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16:29:59  <peter1138> hmm?
16:30:33  <Darkvater> have a design question for ya
16:30:55  <Darkvater> for the directsound driver I'm calling GetSound() for which I need to include newgrf_sound.h in the driver
16:31:05  <Darkvater> which is not my favourite if possible to avoid
16:31:09  <Darkvater> I wondered if you had an idea
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16:49:14  <Wolf01> bbl
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18:35:08  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8845 /trunk/src/macros.h:
18:35:08  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
18:35:08  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove pointless and out of context comment
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18:44:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8846 /trunk/src/macros.h:
18:44:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
18:44:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Remove confusing superfluous parentheses
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18:51:00  <Maedhros> hello
18:51:30  <Maedhros> Darkvater: i did decide not to use len, because that doesn't cover everything
18:51:52  <Maedhros> i'd have needed to add strlen(msgstr[message_id]) + strlen(sevstr[severity]) + 1 at least
18:52:27  <Maedhros> in general, it's much easier this way :)
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19:05:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8847 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp macros.h):
19:05:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix
19:05:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: There is not much point in hiding a normal 64bit multiplication in a function, so do not do it
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19:14:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r8848 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files): (log message trimmed)
19:14:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-02-22 19:57:58
19:14:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed, 49 changed by tucalipe (48), fukumori (2)
19:14:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 2 fixed by kokobongo (2)
19:14:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed, 2 changed by arnaullv (3)
19:14:50  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 1 fixed by Hadez (1)
19:14:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 2 fixed, 1 changed by MiR (3)
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20:59:48  <Maedhros> for people who know how strings work in openttd better than i do, is there a better way to do this?
20:59:51  <Maedhros> http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/translated_errors.diff
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21:02:05  <Rubidium> maybe VERSION_NUMBER :{RED}{STRING}......{STRING} and MSG_WARNING :Warning:
21:02:38  <Maedhros> ok, but can i reference MSG_WARNING without using GetString again?
21:02:42  <peter1138> +### The following strings are referenced by position.
21:02:44  <peter1138> don't do that :)
21:03:06  <Maedhros> add the comment, or reference by position?
21:03:13  <peter1138> well, both ;p
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21:04:16  <Maedhros> hmm, i'd need a couple of arrays of StringIDs then...
21:04:24  <Bjarni> Maedhros: make a static const string array
21:04:30  <Bjarni> 'StringID
21:05:03  <peter1138> only two
21:05:04  <Bjarni> I did that a few times. Works ok as long as you make sure that you always read inside the array :)
21:05:17  <peter1138> one for the prefix, one of the message
21:05:32  <Maedhros> yeah, a couple == two :)
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21:10:34  <Maedhros> ok, so this is better? http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/translated_errors.diff
21:11:56  <Bjarni> +### The following strings are referenced by position. <-- this comment is gone, so it's one step in the right direction :)
21:12:01  <Maedhros> :p
21:12:08  <Rubidium> can't 'This file' be replaced by something more descriptive?
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21:12:34  <Maedhros> it could be replaced by the filename, yes
21:13:07  <Maedhros> (which is technically what the spec says)
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21:16:12  <Maedhros> bah, full recompile :-(
21:17:06  <Rubidium> nah, not full, only the ones that include strings.h (which is about as worse)
21:17:42  <Bjarni> interesting weather
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21:18:08  <Bjarni> Scandinavia is totally burried in Snow and the rest of Europe appears to be snow free
21:18:59  <Maedhros> updated (again): http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/translated_errors.diff :)
21:19:05  <Rubidium> ooh, they actually got to 'winter' in Scandinavia, I'm still stuck in 'autumn' ;)
21:19:40  <Bjarni> the "boarder" goes though the middle of Denmark
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21:20:27  <Bjarni> so it goes from no snow to "roads closed due to snow" and ambulances are replaced with some military vehicles
21:20:47  <Bjarni> because you can't get though the snow on wheels
21:22:41  <lugo> and snowplough only got 1PS :(
21:23:18  <lugo> sry, but i first saw that vehicle in a set yesterday, i had to laugh ;)
21:23:28  <Bjarni> http://pics.jp.dk/nybillede/images/40201.jpg <-- if anybody wonders what it looks like...
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21:23:58  <Rubidium> Maedhros: the patch looks fine to me
21:25:05  <Bjarni> http://pics.jp.dk/nybillede/?id=2868&pixid=40181 <-- and this is the other end of the country :)
21:25:31  <Bjarni> http://pics.jp.dk/nybillede/images/40184.jpg <-- corrected link :P
21:25:47  <Rubidium> that much snow in a garage?
21:26:21  <Bjarni> it's not a real garage... it's a roof only
21:26:36  <Bjarni> and a few, but not 4 walls
21:26:42  <Bjarni> and it's windy, so the snow moves
21:27:08  <Maedhros> Rubidium: ok, thanks :)
21:27:31  <Roel> cool, that's real snow.. :)
21:27:37  <Maedhros> more of an aesthetics question - should just the "Error: " bit be red, and the rest silver / black?
21:27:43  <Bjarni> http://pics.jp.dk/nybillede/images/40171.jpg <-- heh, this guy can't get out... good reason for not showing up for work
21:27:50  <Roel> we had one day of snow in the netherlands and the whole country stopped.. :)
21:28:10  <Maedhros> heh, sounds like england :)
21:28:36  <Maedhros> the scottish must laugh at us so much when that happens ;)
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21:28:53  <Rubidium> Roel: your talking about those few millimeters of snow?
21:28:58  <eQualizer> We won't even slow down here at Finland because of snow.
21:29:20  <eQualizer> And here we have it from 20cm to 1m.
21:29:24  <Roel> http://roel.stimpy.nu/sneeuw/smgerwenseweg.jpg <- yeah, this is heavy now here...
21:30:05  <Roel> Rubidium, yeah, a few weeks ago when the NS stoped almost every train and people were warned not to go outside, only if you realy had to..:)
21:30:18  <Bjarni> http://i2-images.tv2.dk/s/91/1543691-4e8cb9cddfb09a55f0c4229d126a73d4.jpeg <-- those guys had an issue getting out as well
21:30:38  <Rubidium> and you could see the green of the lawn through the snow ;)
21:30:58  <Roel> Bjarni, lol
21:31:27  <Rubidium> Bjarni: if there was 3 times as much snow it would've been difficult, this ain't that difficult
21:32:10  <Bjarni> it's possible, but it's not as easy as normal
21:36:36  <Bjarni> heh, the news broadcasted a stuck 4WD car being pulled free
21:36:38  <Bjarni> live
21:37:48  <Rubidium> it seems that the quality of the news (on TV at least) declines steadily...
21:38:19  <Bjarni> both yes and no
21:38:28  <Bjarni> it depends on the channel
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21:42:14  <Tefad> heh, once my car was almost stuck on a hill of mud
21:42:24  <Tefad> i slipped and slided all over
21:42:30  <Tefad> but got back to the road : D
21:42:41  <Tefad> mud got allll inside the engine compartment
21:42:44  <Bjarni> regular car or 4WD?
21:42:52  <Tefad> front wheel drive
21:43:12  <Tefad> some 4x4s were having slight problems
21:43:25  <Tefad> i was staffing for a Jeep(R) event
21:44:03  <Bjarni> well
21:44:14  <Bjarni> select a vehicle that fits the conditions or don't drive at all
21:44:20  * Bjarni gave up on driving today
21:44:26  <Bjarni> I walked instead xD
21:44:34  <Tefad> hey, it wasn't my fault they didn't have adequate parking for staff
21:44:37  <Bjarni> and gave up on reaching uni
21:44:40  <Tefad> or that it rained for a day straight
21:44:50  <Tefad> or that all the 4x4s ripped up the field i had to drive on
21:44:58  <Tefad> eheh.
21:45:06  <Bjarni> that sounded wrong
21:45:09  <Tefad> walking home not an option
21:45:30  <Bjarni> I gave up on driving to uni and walked to the mall to get some stuff
21:45:42  <Tefad> : )
21:45:51  <Bjarni> I didn't start walking and then give up on reaching uni
21:46:19  <Tefad> it was fun driving though
21:46:28  <Tefad> more so than trying to get out of snow/ice
21:46:38  <Tefad> but.. mud doesn't melt, sadly.
21:46:49  <Tefad> engine compartment is still a mess to this day : )
21:46:59  <Tefad> i don't care now though, the car is pretty banged up due to the wife
21:47:07  <Bjarni> lol
21:47:33  <Bjarni> you could just pour water on it when it's cold
21:47:40  <Bjarni> but I heard that you should conserve water
21:47:49  <Bjarni> so not right now :)
21:47:50  <Tefad> 178k miles, 186k km
21:47:54  <Tefad> er 286
21:48:20  <Bjarni> 286 km.... km to what?
21:48:25  <Tefad> on my car
21:48:28  <Tefad> 286k km
21:48:29  <Bjarni> mileage of car?
21:48:32  <Tefad> yes
21:48:36  <Tefad> 178k miles
21:48:44  <Bjarni> brand new
21:48:49  <Tefad> hahahaha
21:48:52  <Tefad> no.
21:48:57  <Tefad> 286k - km
21:49:05  <Bjarni> oh
21:49:15  <Bjarni> NOT brand new then :)
21:49:27  <Tefad> also a reason why i don't care what the car looks like
21:49:38  <Tefad> i'm looking at it to blow up any time now
21:49:43  <Tefad> it's an american made car too.. so heh
21:49:53  <Tefad> i'm lucky i haven't had any major problems to date
21:49:59  <Bjarni> my old car had no engine problems even though it had driven at least as long as your car
21:50:13  <Tefad> no sustaining engine problems
21:50:21  <Tefad> it likes to hiccup when idling though
21:50:28  <Tefad> the same amount for 5 years now
21:50:33  <Tefad> hasn't gotten worse or better
21:50:52  <Tefad> doesn't do it often enough to concern me
21:50:58  <Bjarni> all engines can be fixed
21:51:01  <Tefad> rarely it will stall
21:51:11  <Tefad> which was a bitch when my ignition was failing
21:51:13  <Bjarni> but is it worth it? :)
21:51:24  <Tefad> go to a light, stall.. OH HELL IT WON'T START
21:51:25  <Bjarni> 	<Tefad>	which was a bitch when my ignition was failing <-- :P
21:51:37  <Tefad> ignition is fixed now
21:51:40  <Rubidium> Bjarni: also when it overheated very very much, as in beyond the point where the steel/aluminium melts
21:52:00  <Maedhros> new version of the patch: http://devs.openttd.org/~maedhros/translated_errors.diff
21:52:06  <Tefad> my dash will probably light up like a christmas tree when it gets that hot
21:52:11  <Maedhros> apparently it *is* possible to pass StringIDs to SetDParam
21:52:37  <Tefad> i've rarely seen the dash thermometer go over its half-way mark
21:52:59  <Bjarni> Rubidium: like when you close the connection to the radiator (know of a case like that... mechanic screwed up)
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21:53:01  <Tefad> my grandmother's car warped a head several years ago.. that was fun
21:53:15  <Tefad> apparently it was a defect in the car anyway
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21:53:58  <Wolfolo|AWAY> night all
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21:55:00  <Belugas> re06011988, did you received my answer?
21:56:35  <Bjarni> lol
21:57:16  <Bjarni> the weather forecast has it's weekly "win a ski vacation" day
21:57:34  <Bjarni> like people need to travel to get to somewhere with snow :P
21:58:16  <Tefad> heh
21:58:25  <Tefad> i prefer tubing
21:58:37  <Tefad> my feet/legs aren't compatible with skiing
21:58:50  <Tefad> eg, i can't slow down easily
21:59:28  <Tefad> most people have no problem doing what is hard for me to do
21:59:43  <Tefad> and then, they have difficulty doing some things i can do ; )
21:59:57  <Tefad> but that helps me zero to ski
22:07:24  <Belugas> good night
22:07:52  <Maedhros> good night Belugas
22:07:53  <Tefad> toodles
22:08:00  <Bjarni> night Belugas
22:08:32  <Bjarni> [22:59:28] 	<Tefad>	most people have no problem doing what is hard for me to do
22:08:32  <Bjarni> [22:59:43] 	<Tefad>	and then, they have difficulty doing some things i can do ; ) <-- I have the same issue. A whole lot of people do something and then I wonder how they do it and yet I do stuff that nearly nobody can figure out
22:09:27  <Bjarni> like finding bugs in the code examples in the powerpoint presentation the professor showed us last week :P
22:09:35  <Tefad> hehe
22:09:45  <Tefad> for me, my feet tend to turn outward
22:09:55  <Tefad> in skiing, you turn inward to slow down
22:09:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8849 /trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Replace hardcoded global/climate cargo mapping tables with dynamically generated data. Change associated code to use new functions.
22:10:02  <Tefad> which is incredibly hard for me
22:10:26  <Tefad> however, i can place my feet 180degrees from each other no problems.
22:10:56  <Bjarni> why would you want to do that?
22:11:09  <Tefad> exactly.
22:11:14  <Tefad> it doesn't help me ski.
22:11:23  <Tefad> but the opposite would be beneficial to skiing
22:11:31  <Bjarni> yeah
22:11:52  <Tefad> maybe i should try snowboarding at some point
22:12:05  <Tefad> foot motion isn't a requirement i think
22:12:06  <Bjarni> the opposite direction of 180° is 0° and it's beneficial to make the skis point the same direction :P
22:12:16  <Tefad> -180degs
22:12:36  <Tefad> my legs would probably snap off if i attempted that
22:12:42  <Bjarni> -180° == 180°
22:12:48  <Tefad> for angles yes
22:12:53  <Bjarni> if you just look at the end result of the ski
22:12:53  <Tefad> but for motion, it's the opposite
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22:13:15  <Bjarni> <Tefad>	foot motion isn't a requirement i think <-- I think it is, but not the same as for skis
22:13:31  <Tefad> i think feet are always parallel
22:13:35  <Tefad> for snowboarding
22:13:41  <Tefad> most of it's balance control
22:14:04  <Bjarni> I have a very good question about this: why?
22:14:10  <Tefad> why what?
22:14:18  <Tefad> why am i talking about skiing in this channel?
22:14:18  <Bjarni> why try to figure out how to ski if you aren't fit to do it?
22:14:27  <Bjarni> personally I wouldn't bother to do so
22:14:27  <Tefad> oh, i don't
22:14:32  <Tefad> i go tubing instead
22:14:41  <Tefad> but snowboarding wasn't really popular the first time i went skiing
22:14:46  <Bjarni> tubing?
22:15:07  <Tefad> innertube from tires with a plastic saucer strapped to the bottom
22:15:16  <Tefad> quite fun.
22:15:29  <Tefad> they installed a new track since the last time i went
22:15:34  <Tefad> much faster/longer
22:15:48  <Tefad> i don't do the ski resort thing often
22:16:07  <Tefad> and i live in the city now
22:16:11  <Bjarni> http://www.roxburyny.com/images/recreation/plattekill/tubing.jpg <-- like this?
22:16:19  <Tefad> so sledding isn't available
22:16:36  <Tefad> yes, that is tubing
22:17:10  * Bjarni wonders what all the fuss about getting out into the snow is all about
22:17:13  <Bjarni> it's cold
22:17:19  <Tefad> it's exercise
22:17:32  <Tefad> also i take family that lives in southern regions without any snow
22:17:34  <Bjarni> 50k Danes injure themselves on skitrips every year
22:17:39  <Tefad> haha
22:18:00  <Bjarni> so it sounds really dangerous
22:18:26  <Tefad> i don't think many people get injured going tubing
22:18:43  <Bjarni> <Tefad>	also i take family that lives in southern regions without any snow <-- I always thought the southern parts of Australia were the parts with the greatest chance/risk of snow
22:18:45  <Tefad> the track i was on gave me air on two of the hills : D
22:18:52  <Tefad> i live in US
22:19:00  <Bjarni> ...
22:19:02  <Bjarni> sorry
22:19:06  <Bjarni> mixed up two people
22:19:10  <Tefad> yup yup
22:19:23  <Bjarni> then the south remark makes more sense :)
22:19:31  <Tefad> i live near the snow/no-snow line
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22:19:43  * Bjarni starts to wonder what the name of the Australian guy was
22:19:48  <Tefad> there aren't many ski resorts south of here, at least on this mountain range
22:19:55  <Rubidium> Bjarni: AllTaken?
22:20:05  <Bjarni> he is from New Zealand
22:20:45  <Bjarni> it was some guy showing a google earth location of his parents home and their car... somewhere in the country side of New South Wales
22:20:53  <Rubidium> oh, it's at least roughly the same region :)
22:21:04  <Bjarni> yeah
22:21:13  <Bjarni> New Zeeland and New Holland... close enough
22:21:15  <Bjarni> :P
22:23:00  <Sacro> heh
22:23:06  <Sacro> i live near New Holland
22:23:07  <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Holland_%28Australia%29 <-- in case you didn't know
22:23:15  <Tefad> heh
22:23:20  <Bjarni> Sacro: no you don't
22:23:21  <Tefad> i live in virginia
22:23:25  <Bjarni> you live in Hull :P
22:23:31  <Sacro> Bjarni: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Holland%2C_North_Lincolnshire yes i do
22:23:34  <Bjarni> Tefad: cool place
22:23:41  <Tefad> we celebrate 400 years of existance this year
22:23:51  <Bjarni> Tefad: anything with virgin in it's name has to be a place for decent people xD
22:23:58  <Tefad> heh.
22:24:03  <Tefad> named after the 'virgin' queen
22:24:47  <Tefad> first settlement was 1607 at jamestown
22:25:02  <Tefad> lots of US history in this state
22:25:13  <Tefad> more presidents born here than in any other state
22:25:42  <Tefad> i live near where jefferson did a lot of things
22:25:54  <Tefad> (he drafted the declaration of independence)
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22:27:59  <Bjarni> history is nice
22:28:11  <Bjarni> makes you wonder about stuff
22:28:47  <Bjarni> and understand not only how the culture is, but also why
22:29:20  <Tefad> the US is a giant mixed bag.
22:29:42  <Tefad> i read a little about nordic history the other day
22:30:04  <Bjarni> I tend to do that at a regular basis
22:30:07  <Bjarni> what did you read?
22:30:07  <Tefad> : )
22:30:39  <Tefad> just the history of what country belong to what leader, etc
22:30:57  <Tefad> and what is it.. bulgaria? is trying to become a nordic state
22:31:03  <Bjarni> Hitler tried to steal Denmark and Norway
22:31:09  <Bjarni> it didn't go as planned
22:31:11  <Tefad> heh
22:31:36  <Tefad> the governments resemble each other.. easily learned from shared history
22:31:45  <Bjarni> they forced Denmark to switch from vacuum train brakes to the German standard compressed air brake
22:31:47  <Tefad> lot of social aspects
22:32:17  <Bjarni> and we still use the compressed air brake, that's compatible with what they added during the war
22:33:04  <Bjarni> Bulgaria is in Eastern Europe, close to the Black Sea and Greece... I don't think they tried to become a nordic country :P
22:33:29  <Tefad> let me re-read : )
22:34:06  <Tefad> doh
22:34:07  <Tefad> estonia
22:34:14  <Tefad> brain totally farted on that name : )
22:34:48  <Bjarni> Estonia is east of Sweden and south of Finland, so it sounds more reasonable ;)
22:34:57  <Tefad> right
22:35:06  <Tefad> they're considered finnish people
22:35:12  <Tefad> finns.. whatever
22:35:27  <Tefad> but their government differs quite a bit from nordic standards
22:35:31  <Tefad> i think.
22:35:37  <Bjarni> they actually call their currency the same as the rest of Scandinavia
22:35:54  <Tefad> kroner?
22:35:57  <Tefad> or something
22:36:01  <Tefad> crowns ; )
22:36:07  <Tefad> i think
22:36:12  <Tefad> maybe my brain is farting agian
22:36:16  <Bjarni> not "or something"... I don't know that currency :P
22:36:39  <Bjarni> well, Finland fucked up and started to use the Euro
22:36:58  <Tefad> i recently spent a day with norwegian, then some more with icelanders
22:37:03  <Tefad> it was quite hilarious.
22:37:21  <Tefad> yesterday i met a swede
22:37:30  * lolman wanders in and takes no notice of the conversation about scandinavians
22:37:31  <Bjarni> I meet them all the time
22:38:03  <Tefad> rare for me to meet people from the other side of the pond : D
22:38:07  * Bjarni wondered about going to Sweden tomorrow
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22:38:15  <Bjarni> the weather blew that idea though
22:38:26  <Tefad> kalmar union
22:38:39  <Tefad> the nordic union? ; )
22:38:49  <Tefad> didn't last very long
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22:39:46  <Bjarni> 1397-1524 <-- that's what wikipedia says
22:39:59  <Bjarni> so it's not that bad
22:40:05  <Tefad> denmark-norway and sweden were the longest
22:40:17  <Tefad> sweden including finland
22:40:24  <Bjarni> you could be born during it and die of old age before it stopped, so it was not that short lived
22:40:52  <Sacro> oh noes
22:41:01  <Tefad> meh, just comparing to US : x
22:41:04  <Bjarni> Sacro: that's what I think whenever you say anything
22:41:25  <Bjarni> <Tefad>	meh, just comparing to US : x <-- you can't. It's not a state like that
22:41:26  * Sacro considers putting Bjarni on /ignore
22:41:30  <Tefad> i know
22:41:51  <Tefad> more of a kingdom
22:41:53  <Bjarni> EU tries to become a state like USA and that's why it's going downhill
22:42:05  * Sacro wonders where Bjarni is actually from
22:42:06  <Tefad> EU is just weird
22:42:21  <Tefad> bjarni sounds .. norwegian?
22:42:22  <Tefad> no idea.
22:42:26  <Bjarni> *	Sacro wonders where Bjarni is actually from <-- not Hull
22:42:33  <lolman> He's Danish, I think
22:42:33  <Sacro> Tefad: i think he is netherlandish
22:42:48  <Sacro> or dutch/danish
22:42:58  <Tefad> i know of a guy in the states with bjoring as last name
22:43:02  <Tefad> he's a librarian too
22:43:08  <lolman> Yep, Danish
22:43:09  <Bjarni> So Dutch, Danish or Norwegian... any other guesses?
22:43:11  <Tefad> easy to remember his last name : D
22:43:39  <Sacro> The Danish Parliament building is made of Lego bricks, through 25 years of extra Lego tax. All danes had to pay 10 % of their Lego pay, on top of the other taxes, (80 % Lego income taxes). All Danes work at the local Lego factory, 2 days a month to contribute to the building of huge pyramids, and great pig sties. The bacon manifacture is the 74.th greatest export of Denmark.
22:43:41  <Tefad> similar sounding to Bjarni is Barney for english
22:43:43  <Bjarni> this reminds me of when people in here tried to guess my age xD
22:44:15  <Sacro> 24 :p
22:44:19  <lolman> Bjarni, late 20's/early 30's? :P
22:44:29  * lolman doesn't actually have a clue
22:44:46  <Bjarni> hint: the year I was born is entered on the wiki
22:45:51  <Tefad> har har har
22:46:10  <Tefad> 61-62 !?
22:46:21  <Tefad> thats assuming you just missed the century
22:46:29  <lolman> So you seem to think you're 262 years old?
22:46:35  <Sacro> 1745 :\
22:46:43  <Bjarni> ...
22:46:46  <Tefad> it's early in the year
22:46:49  <Bjarni> I didn't write that :P
22:47:01  <Sacro> Bjarni: apparently your 262
22:47:55  <Tefad> your what?
22:48:07  <Tefad> MeusH did
22:48:24  <lolman> Apparently Peter is 869 years old...
22:48:26  <Sacro> Kan jeg komme med på toilettet og få en håndfiler af dig?
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22:48:51  <Sacro> i dont even know what it means :(
22:49:02  <Bjarni> you asked for a blowjob
22:49:05  <Sacro> :o
22:49:08  <Bjarni> err
22:49:10  <Bjarni> handjob
22:49:17  * Sacro makes note to never copy things from uncyclopedia again
22:49:28  <lolman> lmao
22:49:38  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	:o <-- like that reaction should make it any better :P
22:49:42  <Sacro> XD
22:49:47  <Sacro> Har du en femmer til en kop kaffe? ...
22:49:49  <Tefad> Olafsson
22:49:50  <Tefad> : D
22:49:51  * Sacro whistles
22:50:59  <Bjarni> Sacro: 5 is too much for coffee. I know a place where it's only 2 kr/cup
22:51:39  <Sacro> apparently i have to then say "Stik mig en hund istedet"
22:51:43  <Sacro> but i dunno...
22:51:44  <Tefad> ?????
22:51:58  <Bjarni> Sacro: link?
22:52:04  <Sacro> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Denmark
22:52:12  <Bjarni> 100 kr for coffee... that's a whole lot of coffee
22:52:18  <Sacro> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Cross_of_st_legolas.JPG nice flag denmark has
22:52:18  <Bjarni> that's like £10
22:53:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r8850 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Use the cargo type's is_freight flag instead of checking the cargo type to determine if the cargo type is freight cargo type cargo type.
22:54:41  <Bjarni> Rødgrød med fløde Danes make you believe that this means red porridge with cream - A simple trick! What you are in fact saying is: Sell me overpriced plastic toys please. <-- actually the contents of this sentence is not the joke. The joke is that it's near impossible to say unless you actually learned proper Danish at a young age
22:55:42  <Bjarni> Kan jeg komme med på toilettet og få en håndfiler af dig? is a traditional and very quick way of saying in danish "Can you show me the toilet, please?". <--- ROFL... that's NOT what it mean... not at all :P
22:56:22  <Sacro> Bjarni: well how was I supposed to know that
22:57:24  <Bjarni> just look at the URL
22:57:38  <Bjarni> all of it is translated wrong
22:57:43  <Bjarni> on purpose
22:57:54  <Bjarni> and you likely picked the worst of them all
22:58:21  <Sacro> the url looks fine
22:58:27  <Tefad> Det er deilig å være norsk i Danmark
22:59:30  <Bjarni> I fart - The elevator is in use, "in motion". <-- that's actually true. When the queen of England visited Denmark, that light was covered by a sheet of paper. They found it wrong to place a red light next to the queen and then turn it on with that particular text
23:00:09  <Tefad> do what?
23:00:58  <Tefad> ah.
23:01:16  <Bjarni> Read aloud from Santa Klaus Rifbjerg's fairy-tales without falling asleep. <-- that's impossible
23:01:34  <Bjarni> he is so boring and writes text with no content at all
23:02:22  <Tefad> heh, the icelanders said on the airplanes no one said "sex" it was always said as five plus one
23:02:51  <Tefad> or seks whatever it is
23:02:51  <Bjarni> my teacher once wanted us to write an essay about one of this "great" works.... turned out to be a newspaper article where he removed every 2nd word or something....
23:02:53  <Tefad> sechs? meh
23:03:36  <Bjarni> <Tefad>	heh, the icelanders said on the airplanes no one said "sex" it was always said as five plus one <-- never heard that one
23:04:45  <Bjarni> hehe, I heard a story about two people, who decided to drive around Iceland (following the coast)... they did so in 3 days(!)
23:04:56  <Bjarni> or was it 2 and a half
23:05:03  <Tefad> haha the danish alps
23:05:22  <Tefad> yeah, they told me about that
23:05:30  <Tefad> i was trying to express my gas milage in my car
23:05:30  <Bjarni> then people started joking about them just going to a nearby hotel and wait because the trip lasts a week :D
23:05:36  <Tefad> but you guys do it weirdly
23:05:43  <Tefad> L per 100km
23:05:49  <Bjarni> no we don't
23:05:55  <Tefad> we do miles/gallon
23:05:55  <Bjarni> we do km/L
23:05:55  <Tefad> at least the icelanders do
23:05:58  <Tefad> weirdos.
23:06:13  <Bjarni> I heard the L/100 km thing though
23:06:20  <Bjarni> I think they use it in Germany
23:06:48  <Bjarni> actually it's l, not L :p
23:06:53  <Tefad> lies
23:07:15  <Tefad> i think SI says L for liter ; )
23:08:19  <Tefad> wtf is ululululululu
23:08:56  <Tefad> and why is there so much beer and legos on the uncyclopedia site
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23:10:56  <Sacro> Tefad: because its denmark
23:10:59  <Bjarni> I guess it's because Lego is a Danish company and the same goes for Tuborg and Carlsberg
23:11:02  <Sacro> they drink beer and produce lego
23:11:54  <Tefad> ah.
23:11:55  <Bjarni> I saw some possible US history being made today. Bush went to North Carolina to visit a Danish company that he thinks can help USA to reduce their oil usage (and dependance on oil import)
23:12:23  <Bjarni> so less pollution and we can make money... it's a win-win :D
23:12:29  <Tefad> heh
23:12:39  <Tefad> uncylopedia on iceland is more fun
23:12:57  <Bjarni> and it's not even about windmills. It's about bio fuel
23:13:30  <Bjarni> http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/2/2e/Icelandflag.jpg <-- ROFL
23:13:44  <Bjarni> I once stopped on road #1 in Iceland because it was blocked by sheep
23:13:49  <Tefad> haahahaha
23:13:59  <Tefad> oh man
23:14:07  <Bjarni> it called for a picture... or more than one xD
23:14:25  <Bjarni> it was somewhere on the east cost, so it was a gravel road
23:14:52  <Bjarni> road #1 follows the coast around Iceland and is THE road
23:15:10  <Tefad> hahaha i like the demo "An Icelandic Male"
23:15:16  <Tefad> and it's a penguin
23:15:22  <Bjarni> crossing the middle of the country is not something you can do all year and it always needs jeeps
23:15:35  <Tefad> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:King_penguin_1.JPG
23:16:20  <Bjarni> The human population of Iceland (2006 official count) is exactly 300.000 and is expected to remain stable because it is easy to remember <-- LOL
23:16:29  <Roel> lol
23:16:33  * Sacro falls off his chair laughing
23:16:56  <Tefad> haha
23:17:19  <Bjarni> Iceland recently kidnapped Kerry Katona to promote their war effort against the United Kingdom <-- in real life Iceland has 0 soldiers
23:17:40  <Bjarni> with a population of 300k, they couldn't make an army that matters anyway
23:18:27  <Tefad> i like the national anthem
23:18:41  <Tefad> #1 import.. Thais
23:18:47  <Roel> give an old lady something that likes like a gun and you've got an army..:)a
23:19:03  <Bjarni> Beer and slavery vere made illegal in 1989, but the next government didn't like that. Beer was allowed immediately, but slavery is still being discussed in Alþingi, the worlds oldest parliament. A temporary solution is the import of workers from Eastern Europe and Asia to build enourmous concrete monuments to the current government, which aims to rival the Pyramids in Egypt. <--- hehe
23:19:07  <Tefad> yeah.. heh
23:19:12  <Sacro> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/White_%28colour%29 XD
23:19:18  <Bjarni> I wonder what hydro plant or whatever they are referring to :D
23:19:33  <Tefad> one of my friends last name was Thor (but with an eth)
23:20:04  <peter1138> :þ
23:20:06  <Bjarni> <Roel>	give an old lady something that likes like a gun and you've got an army..:)a <-- Norway conscripted a 90 year old woman a few years ago
23:20:16  <Tefad> Þ <- that thing but in caps
23:20:28  <peter1138> Ð or ð
23:20:35  <Tefad> not the latter
23:20:36  <peter1138> þ is a thorn
23:20:38  <Tefad> it's used for endings
23:20:38  <Bjarni> turned out that they wanted her tractor, not herself in case of a war :D
23:21:00  <Tefad> Þ is not  þ
23:21:01  <Bjarni> ð with caps is Ð
23:21:11  <Bjarni> it's a d, but more soft
23:21:14  <Tefad> or am i way off
23:21:21  <peter1138> Þ is uppercase þ
23:21:23  <Tefad> my brain hurts : (
23:21:27  <peter1138> Ð is uppercase ð
23:21:35  <Tefad> ok, so it's a 'thorn' then
23:21:43  <Bjarni> thorn is a leftover from the rune alphabet
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23:21:47  <Tefad> right
23:22:37  <Tefad> the letter "v" was hard for them to pronounce
23:22:44  <Tefad> the actual letter
23:22:50  <Bjarni> v
23:22:53  <Bjarni> that went ok
23:22:59  <Tefad> they wwanted to say "we"
23:23:10  <Bjarni> maybe that test don't do well on IRC
23:23:12  <Tefad> like a TV.. tee wee
23:23:22  <Bjarni> what's the problem?
23:23:31  <Tefad> it's tee vee
23:23:43  <Bjarni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Beowulf.firstpage.jpeg <-- peter1138: this is English... go ahead and read it for us xD
23:24:10  <Tefad> yay english
23:24:25  <Bjarni> written somewhere between 700 and 1000 A.D.
23:24:55  <Bjarni> look at it and compare the choice of letters to Icelandic :D
23:25:14  <Bjarni> it uses ð, æ and thorn
23:26:13  <Bjarni> and this is funny. They get people from Scandinavia to read it for them because nobody in England can do it anymore, but we can in Scandinavia
23:26:18  <Bjarni> at least some people can
23:26:38  <Tefad> heh
23:26:44  <Bjarni> and it's written in England by an Englishman in English (or at least what was English at that time)
23:27:02  <Bjarni> well
23:27:06  <Tefad> the icelanders said they can read danish swedish and norwegian for the most part
23:27:08  <Bjarni> most likely an Englishman
23:27:14  <Tefad> but it is hard for others to read their language
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23:27:32  <Bjarni> anonymous Anglo-Saxon scribe <-- most likely an Englishman xD
23:28:03  <Bjarni> <Tefad>	the icelanders said they can read danish swedish and norwegian for the most part <-- so can I
23:28:16  <Tefad> it was funny..
23:28:30  <Tefad> the icelanders were trying teach me to say car in icelandic
23:28:32  <Bjarni> but then again, I can apparently read Dutch as well
23:28:45  <Tefad> and the norwegian said i was saying penis
23:28:51  <Bjarni> LOL
23:28:53  <Tefad> or maybe it was dick
23:29:12  <Tefad> i think it's pik or pikk in icelandic
23:29:23  <Tefad> i can't get the sound similar to hard k
23:29:35  <Tefad> not used in english
23:29:55  <ln-> but there's going to be a new bridge within ten years between Rødby and Puttgarden?
23:30:01  <Tefad> no, that isn't it
23:30:03  <Tefad> it was bil
23:30:05  <Bjarni> ln-: hopefully not
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23:30:17  <Bjarni> I don't want to pay for it
23:30:35  <Tefad> bil with ` on the i (or was it the other way)
23:31:00  <Bjarni> Icelandic is not that tricky
23:31:23  <Bjarni> however you have to remember that the words have genders
23:31:25  <Tefad> it's oldschool
23:31:39  <Tefad> i'm used to foreign languages having gendered words
23:31:40  * Bjarni was a little confused at one time when "he" was the ball
23:31:59  <Sacro> Consonants: C is K, L is L, P is M, Q is Kvchh, U doesn't exist, M is 9, S is C, E is Wlk, B is a threat wich translates into I wish to use your mothers inernal organs as a hand lotioner
23:32:05  <Sacro> what a strange language
23:32:07  <Tefad> it seems that english is the only one that is nearly completely neutral
23:32:23  <ln-> no
23:32:42  <ln-> completely neutral as in no genders?
23:32:49  <Tefad> car for instance has no gender in english
23:32:52  <Tefad> i can say brown car
23:33:00  <Tefad> and not have to match brown's gender to the car's
23:33:02  <Sacro> "Jeg vil gerne have din store pik op i røven"
23:33:13  <Bjarni> Finnish should be strait forward when it comes to spelling compared to how to say the words
23:33:18  <Sacro> now, ive been told this means "Hi, nice to meet you" but im not so sure
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23:33:28  <ln-> finnish doesn't have genders either. and neither does estonian as far as i know.
23:33:37  <Tefad> it seems that living or once living things have gender only.
23:33:39  *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [that's it... don't bring your gay talk into this channel]
23:33:58  <Tefad> finnish isn't really nordic
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23:34:08  <Sacro> im guessing it was mistranslated
23:34:10  <Tefad> more from ural or whatever
23:34:14  <ln-> were were limiting the discussion to nordic languages?
23:34:19  <ln-> -re
23:34:19  <Tefad> sort of
23:34:43  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	im guessing it was mistranslated <-- somewhat like that
23:34:45  <ln-> and english is nordic?
23:34:54  <Tefad> no, but we're currently conversing init
23:35:03  <Tefad> in it
23:35:03  <Sacro> Bjarni: indulge me then :p
23:35:04  <Tefad> with it
23:35:07  <Tefad> whatever
23:35:14  <ln-> well, there's a lot of nordic in especially old english, yes.
23:35:30  <Bjarni> Sacro: I better not... you can get strange ideas about a sentence like that
23:35:40  <Sacro> aww :( but i wanna know
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23:36:30  <Bjarni> oh well... it means "I want your big dick in my ass"... I want nothing to do with a sentence like that :s
23:37:14  <Sacro> haha
23:37:18  <Sacro> damn uncyclopedia
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23:37:48  <peter1138> i fart in your general direction
23:38:16  * Bjarni turns on the red "I fart" display
23:38:25  <Bjarni> the one next to peter1138
23:38:30  <Sacro> peter1138: your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberries
23:38:48  <peter1138> hmm, past tense?
23:39:06  <Sacro> Weet je wat ik wil, een opblaaskrokodil. :(
23:39:10  <Bjarni> you parents can morph?
23:39:41  <Bjarni> Sacro: wtf would you use a crocodile balloon for???
23:39:47  <Bjarni> wait
23:39:48  <Sacro> XD he can read it
23:39:53  <Bjarni> I don't want to know
23:40:11  <peter1138> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11234?DCMP=Matt_Sparkes&nsref=tools
23:40:12  <Tefad> hahaha
23:40:13  <peter1138> hee
23:40:24  <Tefad> this conversation just went from suck to blow
23:41:09  <Sacro> ooh, i can say things in dutch too
23:41:10  <Sacro> Hoe dichter bij nul, hoe strakker om de lul:  :p
23:41:13  <Bjarni> <Tefad>	this conversation just went from suck to blow <-- I said I didn't want to know what Sacro should use it for
23:41:13  * Sacro hides
23:41:51  <Bjarni> I don't get that whore talk
23:42:01  <peter1138> *yawn*
23:42:10  <Bjarni> but then again I guess I don't get it in any language
23:43:41  <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/78443 <-- Sacro did it again xD
23:44:07  * Sacro sighs
23:44:20  <peter1138> one day
23:44:26  <peter1138> there will be humour
23:44:38  <peter1138> but bjarni won't be involved
23:44:40  <peter1138> :p
23:45:00  <Rubidium> Sacro: do you know what you just said in Dutch?
23:45:10  <Sacro> Rubidium: err... im not sure
23:45:19  <Sacro> im just copy pasting... *hides*
23:45:24  <Bjarni> Rubidium: it's most likely as bad as the stuff he said in Danish
23:46:13  <Bjarni> and he managed to show a Dutch line that I can't understand and I don't think I want to understand it either
23:46:33  <Sacro> it says its a popular dutch chat up line
23:47:18  <Sacro> ooh, i have found some german
23:47:31  <peter1138> the problem with english
23:47:44  <peter1138> is it's obvious when it's something like that
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23:48:50  <ln-> "The most famous of all Great Danes is Mary, the mother of Jesus, who was born in the city of Tasmania, the capital of Finland."
23:48:55  <Sacro> so, i now have some german, and icelandish
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23:50:22  <Roel> time for klingon then.. :)
23:50:30  <Bjarni> ln-: well, the crown price did marry Mary Elisabeth from Tasmania and they have a son, but he is not named Jesus and I fail to see the connection to Finland
23:51:06  <Bjarni> <Roel>	time for klingon then.. :) <-- and you presume that I will continue to understand everything pasted in here
23:51:08  <Bjarni> or most of it
23:51:10  <peter1138> 3~nini
23:51:16  <Sacro> Rubidium: i wanna translation :(
23:51:50  <ln-> "Copenhagen is a former swedish city. It declared its independence in 1948, but because nobody cared, it was never accepted by the United Nations."
23:52:00  <Rubidium> Sacro: you won't get it from me
23:52:07  <Sacro> Rubidium: hmmm
23:53:00  * Roel wonders what a translater makes from those lines
23:53:30  * Rubidium too
23:53:39  <Bjarni> <Sacro>	Rubidium: i wanna translation :( <-- even though I recognise the words now, I will not translate for you... you would die if I did so and then I would have to do a whole lot of paperwork
23:53:45  <Bjarni> and I'm too lazy to do that
23:53:55  <Roel> "Weet you what I want, opblaaskrokodil.: ("
23:53:57  <Sacro> Roel: How dense at zero, how tighter for the lul
23:54:18  <Sacro> that makes less sense
23:54:21  <Roel> Now Playing: Ome Henk - Opblaaskrokodil
23:55:14  <Bjarni> Sacro: once a man has seen the light, he cannot go back to the wonderful ignorance he left
23:55:15  <Rubidium> Sacro's using Sergej_S' translator
23:55:25  <Bjarni> don't try to understand that sentence
23:55:31  <Roel> o/~ Weet je wat ik wil, een opblaaskrokodil, om in de zee te drijven, tussen de lekkere wijven o/~
23:55:35  <Sacro> Bjarni: what a nice proverb
23:56:11  <Bjarni> Roel: hehe
23:56:56  <Roel> hmm, the apple translater applet refuses to translate dirty words..
23:57:11  <Sacro> yeah, babelfish is useless too
23:57:17  <Sacro> i know what lul means anyway
23:58:06  <Rubidium> Sacro: you can translate it in at least two ways
23:58:14  <Sacro> Rubidium: can i?
23:58:19  <Bjarni> wrong
23:58:38  <Bjarni> <Rubidium>	Sacro: you <-- Sacro can't
23:58:51  <Bjarni> translate it
23:59:40  * Rubidium won't give Sacro the pleasure of knowing both translations

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