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00:09:04 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-60.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:53 *** Patrick [pitt2@saturn.retrosnub.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:15:10 <Patrick> are you guys doing a GSOC mentoring application by any chance 00:15:24 <Patrick> and if so, have the 15 guys who'd apply for it first all died in freak accidents? 00:15:36 <Smoovious> GSOC? 00:15:42 <Patrick> google summer of code 00:16:02 * Smoovious shrugs. 00:16:24 <Patrick> I'm not a random drifter, by the way 00:16:26 <Patrick> (sup) 00:23:59 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-184.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:26 <Bjarni> heh. I just looked at a diff and I think it's not being updated/finished 00:24:36 <Bjarni> it's still using .c files 00:24:55 <Bjarni> and doesn't know of the makefile rewrite 00:26:25 <Bjarni> looks like development died when I pointed out networking issues in it 00:26:29 <Smoovious> or so I claim?! 00:26:30 <Smoovious> hehe 00:26:53 <Smoovious> how old is the diff? 00:27:00 <Smoovious> or how long ago did you get it? 00:27:56 <Bjarni> 7512, downloaded an hour ago 00:28:02 <Bjarni> from the forum 00:28:20 <Bjarni> oh well, I just want to reuse the GUI 00:30:28 <Smoovious> 7512?! 00:30:32 <Smoovious> wow... 00:30:33 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-151-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:30:35 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-151-160.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 00:31:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> just a random thought... that fixed point data type that Celestar was messing around with should be used for money, that way, the factors could be adjusted better (like 1£=1.5EUR) 00:36:23 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-184.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 00:42:21 *** HydraPheetz [~hydraphee@209.62.208.57] has joined #openttd 00:47:10 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:28:36 *** ammler_ [~ammler@adsl-89-217-175-203.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:24 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-83-100-157-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:14 * Smoovious drops a pin. 02:01:48 * mggrant catches it before it hits the ground 02:01:52 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 02:01:59 <mggrant> (long drop) 02:02:27 * Mortomes wakes up at the sound of pins being caught. 02:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... 21 wagons, and a multiplier of x2 gets to the limits of my BR 38 02:08:42 <Smoovious> I like to keep my multiplier at x5 02:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> only reaches 55km/h on level ground 02:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> instead of 60km/h, which is the speed of the wagons 02:09:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> let's see how my E 52 do in comparison 02:10:36 * Mortomes will gladly accept your E 52 :D 02:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> what would you want with my E 52? 02:12:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, they seem to get up to speed on slopes even 02:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> only the track is too crowded, so they basically stop at every signal 02:13:05 * Mortomes nods. 02:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> that setting is good, i'm gonna keep it for now. 02:15:12 <Smoovious> time for another mainline track 02:20:18 <Smoovious> random thought: I wonder if CS is even aware of OpenTTD, and if so, what he thinks of it... 02:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> afaik, people have contacted him, but got no answer 02:22:07 * Smoovious nods. 02:29:25 <Ailure> << 02:29:32 <Ailure> I heard somewhere they dislike ttdpatch 02:29:32 <Ailure> xD 02:29:39 <Ailure> *that they 02:29:41 <Ailure> nothing about openTTD though 02:30:59 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75B06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> yay for 24h disconnect ... NOT 02:34:07 <Ailure> ok this might be a bit awkard question 02:34:11 <Ailure> but what would work better :o 02:34:20 <Ailure> 256x2084 or 2084x256? 02:34:21 <Ailure> xD 02:34:29 <Ailure> eh 2048 02:34:30 <Ailure> whatever 02:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> you are right! :p 02:34:52 <Ailure> >> That's not a proper answer. 02:34:52 <Ailure> xD 02:35:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's a proper response to your first sentence 02:35:36 <Ailure> :P I guess then. 02:35:59 <Ailure> WSell i'm going to start a openTTD server for a ROM hacking community, but i'm not sure what would be fun settings. << 02:36:14 <Ailure> My PC is quite powerful, so server-side perfomance won't be a problem. 02:36:31 <Ailure> but I don't want people to desync 02:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> desync has absolutely nothing to do with this 02:37:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> besides, all clients must have the same calculation power as the server 02:37:21 <Ailure> well larger maps = larger packets << 02:37:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75093.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:27 <Ailure> and yeah, I know that 02:37:33 <Ailure> or rather 02:37:35 <Ailure> not larger packets 02:37:39 <Ailure> but more bandwidth is needed 02:38:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> the biggest limitation is usually the size of the savegame, that has to be transferred on join 02:38:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> all other bandwidth usage is constant 02:39:08 <Ailure> well if people desynch I should just incrase the delay :/ 02:39:13 <Ailure> although I rarely have to go with a high value 02:39:25 <Ailure> unless it's a amerian with a AOL account 02:39:35 <Ailure> xD that usually cause desynchs on servers I ran in the past 02:39:52 <Smoovious> desync has nothing to do with delay either 02:39:59 <Ailure> but packet loss? 02:40:02 <Smoovious> the desyncs is a checksum-type error 02:40:26 <Smoovious> showing that what the client has, and what the server has, aren't matching up anymore 02:40:28 <Ailure> I mean, I gotten desyncs on unreliable networks << 02:40:33 <Ailure> I know what a desync is 02:40:38 <Ailure> desyncronistation 02:40:46 <Smoovious> I'm not sure you do, from the context you were using it in 02:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> what you are describing is more likely a "connection lost" error 02:41:47 * Smoovious grins, waits for the flame 02:41:50 <Ailure> eh I meant 02:41:59 <Ailure> net_frame_freq 02:42:05 <Ailure> and it erports as desync <_< 02:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, desyncs are errors in the internal game logic 02:42:40 <Ailure> I know 02:42:42 <Smoovious> it reports as a network or timeout error... not a desync 02:42:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> they have nothing to do with the network 02:42:57 <Ailure> The game is run on every client 02:43:02 <Smoovious> yes 02:43:06 <Ailure> I know that 02:43:11 <Ailure> and as soon one session differs from other 02:43:13 <Ailure> it's a desync 02:43:15 <Smoovious> right 02:43:25 <Smoovious> but that isn't because of networking... 02:43:39 <Smoovious> because both sides are still communicating fine with each other 02:43:42 <Ailure> well then how come I gotten desynch errors with networks who have high packet loss? >_> 02:44:06 <Ailure> and quite often too 02:44:14 <Ailure> I rarely use that network though 02:44:40 <Ailure> connection isn't lost either, as I been able to download huge files from same server 02:44:56 <Ailure> unless... 02:45:08 <Smoovious> possibly because one of those packets, included a command that changed the state of something, and the other end didn't receive it and it wasn't acted on... later, when the data was checksum'd they differed... and you got a desync 02:45:19 <Ailure> yeah 02:45:23 <Ailure> I assumed that 02:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> downloading probably has completely different timeout settings 02:45:28 <Smoovious> if you got dropped, because of the dropped packets themselves, you'd get a timeout or network error... not a desync 02:45:53 <Ailure> well I swear it being reported as a desync error << 02:45:59 <Ailure> I should try again I guess 02:46:04 * Smoovious sighs. 02:46:09 <Ailure> and see what it says 02:46:13 <Smoovious> there is a distinct difference between them 02:46:17 <Ailure> I know 02:46:19 <Ailure> i'm well aware 02:46:33 <Ailure> Maybe my memory is just wrong about what error is shown 02:46:44 <Smoovious> the networking problem isn't being reported as a desync... you're not being booted because of networking... you're being booted because of data mismatching... 02:47:13 <Ailure> And two sessions can go diffrent incase the wrong packet were lost? 02:47:20 <Ailure> and leading to a desynch? 02:47:53 <Smoovious> now, the packet loss may be contributing to it... but the packet loss, in and of itself, isn't causing the desync errors... 02:48:25 <Ailure> well that makes sense then 02:48:56 <Ailure> I remmember older TT's 02:49:03 <Ailure> where desyncs happened but were ignored 02:49:06 <Ailure> until the game crashed... 02:49:18 * Smoovious nods. 02:49:22 <Ailure> such as with a player airport existing on one computer 02:49:24 <Smoovious> there is still the occasional desync 02:49:26 <Ailure> but not at all on the other 02:49:36 <Ailure> yeah but they're rare 02:49:58 <Ailure> I only gotten them becuse of some packets getting lost, making my game session bit diffrent. >_> 02:50:02 <Ailure> Multiplayer uses UDP right? 02:50:03 <Smoovious> 0.4.8 was crazy with them when I was playing it 02:50:18 <Smoovious> 0.5.0 was a huge improvement 02:50:25 <Ailure> Heh 02:50:33 <Ailure> inbetween I just started playing nightlies 02:50:41 <Ailure> as the last stable became unbearable to play with the missing features 02:51:46 <Ailure> Such as playing UKRS, and having to replace wagons by hand. D: 02:52:43 <glx> Ailure: multiplayer uses tcp 02:52:50 <Ailure> oh really? 02:52:52 <Ailure> hmm... 02:52:56 <glx> UDP is used to query servers 02:53:09 <Ailure> ah then damnit 02:53:16 <Ailure> I kinda assumed in above conversation 02:53:21 <Ailure> that UDP was used ingame 02:53:33 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has left #openttd [] 02:53:40 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 02:53:41 <Ailure> and lol 02:53:54 <Ailure> note to self 02:54:05 <Ailure> select firefox before you close a tab with ctrl+F4 02:54:13 <glx> :) 02:54:21 <Ailure> I have two monitors D: 02:54:29 <Ailure> Not the first time I done that screwup 02:55:11 <Ailure> but now I kinda feel stupid for assuming that openTTD uses UDP << 02:55:14 <Ailure> datagrans 02:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> my "screwups" are usually of the sort: press F1 while not in OTTD window 02:55:48 <glx> usually that open an help 02:56:02 <Ailure> or pressing delete :) 02:56:17 <Ailure> I done that in a few programs now... 02:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> i never use delete in OTTD 02:56:52 <glx> useful to close all windows 02:56:58 <Ailure> yeah 02:57:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> i know, but i don't use that 02:57:08 <Ailure> when I do something, I usually wind up opening alot of stuff 02:57:18 <Ailure> so I maybe press delete once a minute xD 02:57:21 <Ailure> or twice even 02:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> mostly, because my right hand is on the mouse 02:57:31 <Ailure> if I want to kep something up fo longer 02:57:42 <Ailure> I use the sticky button 02:57:51 <Ailure> such for trains i'm currently watching 02:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> so it's easier to click on 5 x than move the hand to the keyboard 02:59:06 <Ailure> well, delete key is part of my muscle memory :) 02:59:09 <Smoovious> what I hate is typing rapidly and hitting that key next to the right ctrl button without noticing, and suddenly I got dozens of windows and programs trying to open 02:59:15 <Ailure> so I just press it while doing other stuff with my mouse 02:59:40 <glx> context menu key? 02:59:44 <Smoovious> hate having those buttons between ctrl and alt 02:59:50 <Ailure> The windows key? 02:59:57 <Smoovious> yes yes 03:00:08 <Ailure> It's supposed to be called something else but heh 03:00:17 <Smoovious> the keyboard I use most of the time doesn't have them... 03:00:20 <glx> I often use windows key 03:00:20 <Ailure> I only got annoyed with it in the early Win95 days 03:00:25 <Ailure> as it was too easy to press on it 03:00:31 <Ailure> I wind up using Ctrl+esc 03:00:31 <Ailure> xD 03:00:34 <Ailure> sometimes 03:00:46 <Ailure> It's muscle memory from the time when I didn't have windows key 03:00:48 <Ailure> and it's stuck 03:02:36 <glx> the most dangerous key are "sleep" and "shutdown" 03:02:50 <Smoovious> I use the spaces to line up my hands to type... hate having to look at the keyboard 03:03:08 <glx> they are above printscr and pause on my keyboard 03:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> that sounds fun :p 03:03:45 <Ailure> [04:02] <glx> the most dangerous key are "sleep" and "shutdown" 03:03:50 <Ailure> I never use the sleep key 03:04:00 <Ailure> it's there to mock me when I press it by mistake 03:04:01 <Ailure> xD 03:04:04 <Ailure> it's right above esc 03:04:26 <Ailure> infact, oht of the extra keys on the keyboards I had 03:04:31 <Ailure> I only use the volume control 03:04:43 <glx> I set them to open the shutdown menu (less dangerous) 03:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think i haven't assigned functions to half of them 03:05:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> the email key was set by default 03:05:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i set up the music related keys 03:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> but again with the right-hand-situation, i rather use the win+[yxcvb] to control amarok 03:07:52 <glx> y?? what is your keyboard type? 03:08:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> qwertz. of course ;) 03:08:32 <glx> I'm too used to azerty 03:12:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> what does azerty have at that position? 03:12:47 <glx> w of course 03:13:09 *** Mortomes is now known as Mortomesleeping 03:13:12 <Triffid_Hunter> ;qjkx here ;) 03:13:28 <Mortomesleeping> dvorak ftw :P 03:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> urgs... i probably couldn't type a single correct word on that :p 03:14:36 <Triffid_Hunter> takes a while to get used to, but i'm lovin it, especially for coding because the punctuation is in far more accessable places 03:15:00 * Mortomesleeping nods. 03:15:24 <Mortomesleeping> Started using dvorak about 3 months ago and have fallen in love with it :) 03:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm already getting confused if i accidently happen to sit in front of a qwerty 03:17:02 * Mortomesleeping crashes into bed. 03:29:39 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:41:40 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489F547.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:48:31 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489CF4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:15:49 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:17:56 *** lolman [~admin@81.100.228.56] has joined #openttd 04:20:15 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.10/2007021601]] 04:23:01 *** lolman [~admin@81.100.228.56] has quit [] 04:43:45 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has joined #openttd 05:08:20 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@cup-ip-nas-1-p119.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:16:33 *** nairan [~maui_key@p5498DE44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:45:31 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:18:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-155-87.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:23:40 *** CoRnJuLiOx [~jrtuvera@202.128.58.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:34:39 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 06:35:00 <roboboy> does openttd save the settings to your cfg if yo change them? 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08:53:02 <Triffid_Hunter> transferred cargo I think 08:53:52 <CoRnJuLiOx> i mean is it a loss or profit? 08:54:08 <CoRnJuLiOx> do i lose money or gain it by transferring? 09:00:16 <CoRnJuLiOx> and what is a heightmap? 09:04:10 <Triffid_Hunter> transfers just mean the final profit has to be shared amongst all the vehicles in the route 09:04:33 <Triffid_Hunter> heightmap would be a map of heights :P 09:06:11 <CoRnJuLiOx> but why does it get its own special "load heightmap" button? 09:06:13 <TinoM> in a heightmap the colors correspond to a height (usual a greyscale) 09:06:58 <TinoM> so ottd can generate maps after eg real world heightmaps 09:07:16 <Rubidium> because a heightmap is a png or bmp image, not a default scenario or savegame 09:08:45 <CoRnJuLiOx> ahh 09:11:04 *** wolfryu [~wolf@h32231.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:18 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@h32231.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:06 *** wolfryu [~wolf@h32231.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [] 09:13:19 *** Wolfenst1ijn is now known as Wolfensteijn 09:30:29 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 09:35:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5551931e.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:42:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81EA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:42:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:47:42 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-175-203.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50:32 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-175-203.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:55:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CD70.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:00:15 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-175-203.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CD70.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:09 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-175-203.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:25:29 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-175-203.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:20 <peter1138> Tron: any progress on fs#640? 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10:54:21 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-89-217-175-203.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:22 <Nigel> it's on the homepage 10:54:30 <pager7> no no no 10:54:44 <pager7> i mean the ottd 0.5.0 10:54:48 <Nigel> http://www.openttd.org had a recent statement re: win98 10:54:51 <blathijs> Nigel: That's about nighlies 10:55:57 <pager7> i had the 0.4.8 versin of ottd ... and updated now of 0.5.0 10:56:23 <blathijs> pager7: Can you be more specific about the problem? Any error message? What happens? 10:56:34 <Nigel> blathijs: those statements are valid still for 0.5.0 no? 10:56:52 <Nigel> after all, 0.5.0 does have UTF support 10:57:43 <pager7> :) thats for fonts, right? 10:57:49 <blathijs> Nigel: Nightlies are built using the compile farm, while releases are built using VC 10:58:20 <Nigel> blathijs: but the statements have been around UTF support, (Win 9x had no UTF support) 10:58:52 <pager7> ok - stop 10:59:16 <pager7> only a simpe different 10:59:24 <blathijs> Nigel: but, there is no specific "win9x" 0.5.0 release, so I presume win32 is supposed to work in win98 too? 10:59:25 <pager7> simple 11:00:54 <pager7> 0.4.8 find the sample.cat in folder "data" ... and 0.5.0 dont find that 11:01:06 <Nigel> blathijs: http://www.openttd.org/index.php?archives=yes#198 (MSLU) 11:01:08 <blathijs> ah 11:01:33 <blathijs> pager7: perhaps the folders have been changed? 11:01:37 <pager7> compiler-prob? 11:02:08 <blathijs> pager7: Where did you put sample.cat and friends? In the same dir as openttd.grf? 11:02:10 <pager7> no - all on the place like 0.4.8 11:03:20 <pager7> right - openttd is also in "data" 11:03:46 <pager7> openttd.grf -sry 11:03:56 <blathijs> hmm, that should be the right place... 11:04:04 <pager7> i know 11:04:07 <Nigel> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=558636#558636 11:04:17 <blathijs> Unless that openttd.grf is an old version left by 0.4.8, while 0.5.0 changed the location 11:04:21 <Nigel> "Win9x will ONLY work with MSLU, the MS Unicode layer. You need to download this file from Microsoft and either put it into your OpenTTD directory or into windows\system. Don't worry, you'll know when you did something wrong (OpenTTD will complain about missing 'sample.cat' and all other files). " 11:05:21 <blathijs> wth? Why does it complain about missing files when there is no unicode support? Yay for clear error messages... Couldn't somebody have coded a simple check to give more useful error messages? :-S 11:05:33 <blathijs> pager7: It seems that that forum thread answers your question 11:06:33 <Nigel> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=73BA7BD7-ED06-4F0D-80A4-2A7EEAEE17E2&displaylang=en for the download 11:07:10 <pager7> ok - i saw the tip during the installation ... but i thought the layer ist only for displaying the font in right form 11:07:37 *** Tron_ [pTyEVI21@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 11:09:54 <pager7> okok ... i will download the "unicode-layer" ... involuntary 11:09:55 <blathijs> pager7: I think it's also used for handling filenames, which is why it results in this error (just a guess, though) 11:11:06 <Rubidium> well, sending 32 bit characters to a function that expects 8 bit characters might make the function mess up stuff 11:12:06 <blathijs> still, there should have been some way to detect this 11:13:03 <Rubidium> I really wonder how one would be able to do so 11:15:00 <blathijs> I seem to remember that there was a second set of functions with a "W" appended for this purpose, or something 11:15:36 <blathijs> and I could imagine that M$ would have added some way to detect that unicode _is_ supported (an extra variable somewhere, or an extra function that returns true) 11:17:59 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 11:18:04 <Rubidium> blathijs: compile-time windows compiles all GetX to GetXW or GetXA depending on whether _UNICODE (or something like that) is set 11:18:14 <Rubidium> so it actually calls the GetXW functions 11:18:46 <PandaMojo> ...with a shitload of #defines, which is a pain in the ass if you ever reuse any of the names in C++ ;-) 11:20:40 <blathijs> Rubidium: But doesn't that mean the binary tries to call the GetXW function which doesn't exist on 9x? 11:20:54 <Rubidium> I guess so 11:20:59 <PandaMojo> Bingo. 11:21:41 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-50-157.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:22:45 <blathijs> Rubidium: Then it should crash with a runtime linker error, right? 11:22:53 <pager7> ok ... where is the right place for the "unicows.dll"? 11:23:42 <peter1138> in the same directory as the executable 11:23:45 <Rubidium> apparantly the 'stubs' that are compiled into the binary handle that "gracefully" 11:24:07 <blathijs> ah 11:24:39 <blathijs> I'd rather just have it crash real hard than have the current (misleading) behaviour... 11:24:51 <Rubidium> pager7: you should've read the notices during the installation more carefully 11:25:04 <peter1138> blathijs: it confused me too :/ 11:26:31 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@59.167.214.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:11 <pager7> no, sorry - i didn't understand the notice, why i need this m$! - shit 11:29:58 <Rubidium> You need it because OTTD now supports unicode properly. To do that special Unicode functions are needed that are not available on Windows 9x, thus we needed Microsoft's wrapper and because Microsoft was so nice to us to not allow distributing the needed wrapper, you have to download it yourself 11:30:51 <peter1138> i thought it was the GPL that prohibited it? ;p 11:31:02 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:09 <pager7> ok ... i have it now ... and i will try 11:31:34 <Rubidium> Microsoft didn't release the sources for it ;), but could've been gpl too 11:33:34 <blathijs> peter1138: I think that distributing a (closed) libary together with a GPL program is ok for the GPL 11:34:01 <blathijs> peter1138: Distributing a closed program that uses a GPL library is not okay, I think though 11:35:23 <PandaMojo> Not sure about the former, certain about the later. 11:35:30 <blathijs> But I presume that the EULA of the MS package won't allow it to be redistributed 11:35:58 <blathijs> Can't check, since the EULA of the package is only visible when installing it (And I do not have windows to run the installer...) 11:35:58 <pager7> ok - it seems to work - i can see the main-window 11:36:00 <PandaMojo> (Actually, the former works okay too, the possible problem would be GPLed sources depending on black boxed binaries) 11:37:02 <pager7> thanks for all! 11:38:30 *** CoRnJuLiOx [~jrtuvera@202.128.58.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:12 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2cnc3demo 11:40:10 *** pager7 [~pager7@Z557d.z.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Yeaaa..] 12:48:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81EA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:48:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:50:16 <Naksu> http://www.explosm.net/comics/831/ 12:53:17 *** Tron_ [c1h6Tk03@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 12:55:03 *** Mortomesleeping is now known as Mortomes 12:56:53 <neli> how can I destroy+buy in one action ? 12:57:12 <neli> if I destroy a piece of land, then the city immediately builds something there (road or building) 12:57:16 <neli> then I have to destroy again 12:57:26 <neli> not nice for my rating :-( 12:57:34 <Patrick> that's a pretty rare occurence 12:57:40 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 12:57:51 <Mortomes> Yeah, usually takes the city a few seconds to build something there. 12:58:02 <Mortomes> (at least) 12:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> use hotkeys to e faster 13:02:06 <Patrick> the "owned land" signpost can be built on top of 13:02:16 <Patrick> so you can slam it down, then decide what to do with the land 13:02:21 <Patrick> although to be honest the town's so slow 13:03:32 <neli> not in my game 13:03:57 <neli> city builds within a second sometimes 13:08:21 <Patrick> maybe you've constrained the cities 13:08:21 <Patrick> I'm aggin' out here 13:08:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:10:24 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: coronel, Purno_, neli, Progman, Rubidium, Rens2Sea, TheMask96, Brianetta, HydraPheetz, Tefad, (+41 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 13:10:24 *** dcb23 [~antichaos@host86-132-113-145.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:11:23 *** Netsplit over, joins: hylje, guru3, luckz, @MiHaMiX, coronel, dp, _42_, Mucht, blathijs, mojs (+41 more) 13:12:32 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-113-145.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:21 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:21:29 *** Dominic [dominic@bluebottle.epicwebservices.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:40 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-195-152.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:38 *** Dominic [dominic@bluebottle.epicwebservices.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:53 <CoRnJuLiOx> are maglev trains supposed to appear in the candyland theme? 13:27:07 <Patrick> yes, eventually 13:27:42 <CoRnJuLiOx> wee! i got them :-) 13:28:34 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387E61D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:30:28 *** dcb23 is now known as antichaos 13:33:02 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:35:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CC50.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:35:25 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CD70.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:39 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:38:41 *** mikk36|lap [~mikk36@ip171.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:07 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:05 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387E61D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:42 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> you aren't honestly gonna tell us you survived a toyland game until then! :p 13:48:47 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:12 *** Mortomes [~Mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 13:55:51 *** green-devil [~c@0x573556a6.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:57:32 *** mikk36|lap [~mikk36@ip171.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:59:59 <CoRnJuLiOx> eddi|zuHause3: no, i started one at 2020 14:00:03 <CoRnJuLiOx> i think toyland rocks 14:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> and now you're actually typing out my nick... you scare me... 14:01:04 <CoRnJuLiOx> i mean, i get the pleasure of seeing the looks on peoples faces if i ever shout out, "crap! stupid UFO got my route to the toffee quarry bombed!" 14:01:09 <CoRnJuLiOx> yes. i am scary 14:02:30 <CoRnJuLiOx> ok, if your train station and a competitors bus station are stationed at the same resource, which one gets the most goods? 14:02:43 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> the one with the higher ratig 14:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> +n 14:05:42 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@83.100.250.229] has joined #openttd 14:08:38 <CoRnJuLiOx> BULLCRAP. ANOTHER DAMN UFO 14:09:59 *** antichaos [~antichaos@host86-132-113-145.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 14:21:29 <mikk36|lap> Eddi|zuHause3, how is the rating calculated or what modifies it ? 14:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have an oracle right there... it's called "source code" 14:22:22 <mikk36|lap> damn :P 14:22:30 <mikk36|lap> ok, which file ? :D 14:24:15 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 14:28:50 <Rubidium> mikk36|lap: it's in the wiki (user manual) 14:29:02 <mikk36|lap> damn u, Eddi|zuHause3 :PÜ 14:29:04 <mikk36|lap> -Ü 14:30:44 <mikk36|lap> hmm 14:30:49 <mikk36|lap> it's only a concept ? 14:31:11 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:14 <Rubidium> what is only a concept? 14:31:26 <mikk36|lap> inthe wiki, there is no current one 14:31:47 <mikk36|lap> __TOC__ 14:31:48 <mikk36|lap> ==Concept of new station rating model ''(by Skidd13)''== 14:32:05 <mikk36|lap> Economy1:Station Rating 14:32:05 <mikk36|lap> From OpenTTD 14:32:05 <mikk36|lap> Jump to: navigation, search 14:32:05 <mikk36|lap> This article is a part of New Economy Model 14:32:05 <mikk36|lap> Please post suggestions here. They will be eventually written down here as a concept of station rating model. 14:33:12 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Game_Mechanics#Station-rating 14:34:44 <mikk36|lap> only the 15th link in 'page text matches' for 'rating' 14:36:24 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:26 <mikk36|lap> damn.. so more and shorter trains gives more rating.. :( 14:40:39 <mikk36|lap> hmm 14:41:04 <mikk36|lap> there are no actions that affect town rating above 800, but what exactly rises it over 800 ? 14:46:17 *** lugo [~lugo@pD9583EAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:38 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:38 *** SDK1985 [DarkSoul2@ip219-90-209-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:40 <SDK1985> hi 14:53:43 <SDK1985> I have a problem 14:53:45 <SDK1985> I have a server 14:53:54 <SDK1985> normally trains do not evenly load, they wait untill the first is full 14:54:00 <SDK1985> but now they all load a little 14:54:03 <SDK1985> then they are all full at once 14:54:08 <SDK1985> how do I change this back? 14:54:43 <Rubidium> it's a patch option called 'improved loading', though it might slow the game down dramatically 14:56:56 <SDK1985> I am using a console window 14:57:03 <SDK1985> improved_loading 1 14:57:04 <SDK1985> ? 14:58:51 <Rubidium> good question 14:59:01 <Rubidium> think patches <something> 1 14:59:46 <Rubidium> probably patches improved_load 1 14:59:53 <Smoovious> the patch name is "improved_load"... (or is it "gradual_loading") 15:00:20 <Rubidium> both are correct, but gradual_loading != improved_load 15:00:30 <Smoovious> I know they != 15:00:46 * Smoovious grins. 15:00:55 <Smoovious> I'm just not sure exactly which does which :D 15:01:49 <Rubidium> improved_load tries to implement fifo-loading but in a horrible way 15:01:54 <Smoovious> ok... gradual_loading only handles loading X at a time... and improved_load only handles which cargo space is loaded 15:02:23 <Smoovious> yeah, I got road vehicles that sit and wait forever for a train or ship to finish loading 15:02:31 <Smoovious> they should be loading concurrently 15:03:04 *** CoRnJuLiOx [~jrtuvera@202.128.58.177] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:05:40 <Rubidium> it's fifo in the sense of "vehicle with the lowest ID is first" 15:05:48 <Rubidium> not the first vehicle that entered 15:06:24 <Smoovious> oh... 15:06:31 <Smoovious> yeah, that's not good 15:17:10 <SDK1985> I found it in the cfg 15:17:27 <SDK1985> wahts fifo now? 15:19:52 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:37 <SDK1985> gradual? 15:22:29 <SDK1985> gradual is not in the cfg 15:22:33 <TheMask96> fifo = first in, first out... 15:22:56 <SDK1985> yes I know I study business administration 15:23:03 <SDK1985> but is there a patch called fifo? 15:23:19 <SDK1985> thats the improved loading? 15:24:09 <SDK1985> crap gtg, cya 15:24:10 <Rubidium> improved loading is, as I said before, a very bad implementation of fifo loading 15:24:11 *** SDK1985 [DarkSoul2@ip219-90-209-87.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [] 15:25:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9129 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fileio.h functions.h os2.cpp unix.cpp win32.cpp): -Codechange: unify parts of DeterminePaths. 15:25:52 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:27:29 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 15:27:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 15:27:32 *** mode/#openttd [-o MiHaMiX] by ChanServ 15:27:53 *** mode/#openttd [-o Rubidium] by Rubidium 15:28:15 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-146-029.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:37 <Sacro|Laptop> what happened there then? 15:29:07 <Rubidium> the return of ChanServ and NickServ 15:29:54 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC529E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:57 *** green-devil [~c@0x573556a6.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 15:37:46 <Smoovious> so, what does it take for a patch to make it into trunk? 15:38:36 <Rubidium> lot of effort 15:40:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9130 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Codechange: move the fileio functions that do open a file into a Fio slot together. 15:41:57 <peter1138> pom te pom 15:43:15 <TheMask96> Smoovious: you need to bribe some developper :P 15:43:55 <Smoovious> uh huh 15:45:52 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-189-248.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:48:56 *** XeryusTC3 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:47 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:55 <neli> where can I see the shortcuts for the tools ? 15:54:04 <Rubidium> wiki? 15:54:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9131 /trunk/ (Makefile.in config.lib): -Codechange: move the OSX application bundle resource directories so they comply (better) to Apple's guidelines and to our naming 'scheme' for the lang and data directories. 15:57:42 <Belugas> [11:37] <Smoovious> so, what does it take for a patch to make it into trunk? <-- good written code, good and valuable feature, good documentation, good attitude. 15:58:59 <peter1138> and chocolate 16:00:04 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-50-157.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:11 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-50-157.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> hmm... chocolate 16:00:44 *** green-devil [~c@0x573556a6.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:01:28 *** XeryusTC3 is now known as XeryusTC 16:01:51 <Smoovious> welp, the rest is questionable as I haven't had any constructive criticism about the last patch I postedo n FS... but as far as the good attitude goes... well, guess I'm screwed 16:02:55 <Smoovious> I was thinking more along the lines tho... does X number of devs have to sign off on it or something? like, what's the process 16:06:33 <Rubidium> that's that patch you posted yesterday evening? 16:06:58 <Smoovious> ya... the chat_text one 16:07:23 <Rubidium> first, AddTextMessage completely overwrites the paramter you send to it 16:07:25 <Smoovious> well, I take that back, I did get some criticism 16:07:33 <Smoovious> my filename sucked. :D 16:08:03 <Rubidium> secondly the parameter seems to be completely useless, you can just get the time in AddTextMessage, no need to do that in all calling methods 16:08:12 <Rubidium> thirdly check your coding style 16:08:32 <Smoovious> thanky 16:13:55 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:17:17 *** XeryusTC3 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:54 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:30 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:38 <Smoovious> k, I see what you mean about that... could probably do without 'duration' in AddTextMessage too... 16:30:47 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 16:31:03 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 16:31:11 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-183-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:58 *** imaginner [~imaginner@acmn85.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:35:21 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-125-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:47 *** setrodox__ [~setrodox@83-65-235-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:23 *** TronBSD [~tron@p54A3E696.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:00 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3D5F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:56 <imaginner> is there any place where OTTD's mp network protocol is described? 16:48:00 <Rubidium> what level of detail? 16:48:18 <Rubidium> do you want to know the on-wire format or how it works in general? 16:49:15 <imaginner> general stuff for now but more detail would be possibly needed later :) 16:49:29 <imaginner> I found the wiki page but it's marked outdated... 16:50:48 <Rubidium> there isn't much information about the higher level design AFAIK :( 16:51:38 <imaginner> take a look at http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Network_Protocol 16:51:58 <imaginner> can you tell me how much up-to-date is it? Is it any good? 16:52:52 <mikk36|lap> yay 16:52:58 <Rubidium> up-to the todo it's probably fairly correct, after that it's better to look at the sourcecode (most of the packets send/receive functions describe the on-wire format) 16:53:01 <mikk36|lap> i just broke my personal records 16:53:02 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:06 <mikk36|lap> record* 16:53:16 <mikk36|lap> 3 bsod ending windows installs in 2 days 16:53:24 <mikk36|lap> previous was 2 16:54:20 <imaginner> ok, thx a lot 16:54:43 <hylje> get better hardware 16:56:00 <Rubidium> hylje: that gives the opposite effect, you need crappy hardware so the installation fails way before it can ever show bsods 16:56:09 <mikk36|lap> hylje, last record was made by installing twice nvidia's latest network driver instead of one posted on the mobo maker's page 16:56:41 <mikk36|lap> this time, first 2 attempts were by installing win on nvidia stripe raid 16:56:57 <mikk36|lap> and third time by installing silicin image's driver :P 16:57:10 <mikk36|lap> silicon* 16:57:57 <mikk36|lap> fun, aint it ? :D 17:02:37 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:03:15 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:08:43 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 17:10:31 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@83.100.250.229] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:20:08 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:25:25 *** maddy [~maddy@86.75.135.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:18 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@cup-ip-nas-1-p100.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #openttd 17:26:23 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@cup-ip-nas-1-p100.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #openttd [] 17:26:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:26:49 <Wolf01> hello 17:27:49 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2Eat 17:27:52 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C326.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CC50.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:42 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0892.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 17:43:45 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-157-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:44:07 <imaginner> line 92 of src/network_data.h is mysterious for me, can anybody cast some light on it for me (C/C++ noob) 17:44:14 <imaginner> #define SEND_COMMAND(type) NetworkPacketSend_ ## type ## _command 17:44:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:46:22 <imaginner> What does NetworkPacketSend_ mean / do? 17:47:41 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:08 <KUDr> heh it only concats strings and make name from them 17:49:50 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:51 <KUDr> "NetworkPacketSend_" and "_command" are constants and "type" is placeholder for macro argument 17:50:44 <KUDr> SEND_COMMAND(BlaBla) is replaced by NetworkPacketSend_BlaBla_command 17:50:45 <imaginner> aaaah 17:51:07 <imaginner> wonderful! 17:51:09 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:11 <imaginner> thanks a lot! :) 17:51:12 <Smoovious> (just to test if he is following it himself) so you only need to specify 'TyPe' to it, for example, and the macro will fill it out to NetworkPacketSend_TyPe_command ? 17:51:14 <KUDr> no mystert there :) 17:51:14 * Smoovious grins. 17:54:55 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:38 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 18:02:36 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03:31 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176104189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:04:14 *** Rens2Eat is now known as Rens2Sea 18:08:42 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:49 * Smoovious posts a new diff... probably still with style issues 18:27:56 <Smoovious> and I'm sure Bjarni is going to hate my filename even more now. :) 18:30:43 <Smoovious> is the repository online? 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20:15:53 <Bjarni> green-devil is from Denmark? 20:16:00 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:16:09 <Mortomes> Well, he has a .dk in his hostmask 20:16:29 <Bjarni> what is his full dns? 20:16:44 <Mortomes> ~c@0x573556a6.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk 20:16:52 <Bjarni> ahh 20:16:53 <Bjarni> him 20:17:02 <Bjarni> let him rot 20:21:13 <Mortomes> In hell? 20:21:33 <Bjarni> or whereever we can banish him to 20:24:06 <peter1138> you can't really banish the devil in hell 20:31:55 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-50-157.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:36:53 *** Purno__ [~Purno@5351C3E7.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:38:47 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 20:39:01 *** RichK67 [~RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 20:41:39 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-184.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9133 /branches/newhouses/ (125 files in 12 dirs): [newhouses] -Sync with trunk r9055:9132 20:51:28 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-50-157.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:56 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-50-157.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:55:13 *** Smoovious [imp586@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code is a psychopath who knows where you live.] 21:04:14 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 21:19:35 *** carwe [~carwe@p54B35931.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:26:32 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:06 <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?734797 <-- LOL 21:28:14 <Tefad> heee 21:31:46 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-226-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:55 * Smoovious chuckles. 21:42:04 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C326.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:55:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:41 *** XeryusTC3 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 21:59:54 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by XeryusTC3))] 21:59:56 *** XeryusTC3 is now known as XeryusTC 22:03:13 <Smoovious> http://bash.org/?11291 22:03:23 <Tefad> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/slinked/DSC01428.jpg 22:05:11 <dihedral> thats a good one 22:05:31 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-226-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]] 22:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> what's funny about that picture? 22:08:13 <Tefad> at least in the US, pig is a derogatory term for cop 22:08:45 <Sionide> they're english cops though :/ 22:09:06 <Tefad> and, as you can see, one of them appears to be at a smaller scale than the other 22:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> ah... so it's like "Bulle" in german 22:12:40 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176104189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:14:07 <Smoovious> http://bash.org/?101368 22:14:09 <Wolf01> night 22:14:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host48-235-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:14:27 <Mortomes> Too true. 22:14:36 <Smoovious> wave 22:17:04 *** Sacro|Laptop [Ben@adsl-83-100-157-87.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:17:22 <Smoovious> http://bash.org/?714971 <--- rofl 22:17:39 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:34 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 22:32:26 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 22:32:42 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-184.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:34:14 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:35:45 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:05 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> http://bash.org/?714971 <--- rofl <--- in some countries (like USA) it's illegal for teachers to fuck their students even if they are old enough 22:36:29 <Bjarni> and I actually don't think this one is funny 22:36:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is illegal in germany 22:37:02 <Bjarni> it should be :) 22:37:12 <Bjarni> everywhere 22:37:36 <Digitalfox> But you sometimes have so hot woman teachers... 22:37:54 <Smoovious> its illegal here too... 22:37:55 <Bjarni> so? 22:38:18 <Digitalfox> So if i'm more thgan 18, and we have sex outside school what's the problem ?? 22:38:22 <Digitalfox> than 22:38:29 <Smoovious> but it gets to a point where I start thinking people are getting too uptight about too much stuff 22:38:57 <Smoovious> btw... <--- USA 22:39:01 <Bjarni> <Digitalfox> So if i'm more thgan 18, and we have sex outside school what's the problem ?? <-- fuck the teacher and get a better grade or don't and fail 22:39:23 <Bjarni> hehe 22:39:38 <Smoovious> http://bash.org/11083 22:39:59 <Smoovious> well, if you don't think that was funny, then I guess I shouldn't recommend http://www.sexy-losers.com to you then 22:40:06 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> ... in some countries (like USA) it's illegal for teachers to fuck their students 22:40:06 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> its illegal here too... 22:40:06 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> btw... <--- USA 22:40:36 <Smoovious> <Smoovious> but it gets to a point where I start thinking people are getting too uptight about too much stuff 22:40:41 <Smoovious> don't forget that line too 22:42:22 <Bjarni> if you start to ease up, then you will get problems with people taking it too far 22:43:32 <ln-> what other kind of relations should be declared no-sex, besides adult teacher and adult student? 22:43:52 <Smoovious> the tighter you grip, the more it'll slip through your fingers 22:44:13 <Patrick> why do scottish people have blue penii? 22:44:21 <Patrick> because they're all tight-fisted wankers 22:44:28 <Smoovious> they have more than one penis? 22:44:29 <Bjarni> ... 22:45:09 <Digitalfox> Someday people, just by being two minutes late to go to work, will have cops at home door giving you a ticket.. So mutch for liberty and democracy.. 22:45:20 * Smoovious nods. 22:45:24 *** Mucht is now known as Mucht|zZz 22:45:54 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> the tighter you grip, the more it'll slip through your fingers <-- actually are you sure it's not like the "learn to drink modest at home" things and then the people, who does that ends up drinking way more than other people 22:46:04 <Smoovious> we're supposed to be so free, we celebrate it often... yet, we have more people in prison, jail, on parole, or on probation, per capita, than any other nation on the planet... so... how free is that? 22:46:22 * Smoovious rolls his eyes. 22:46:27 <peter1138> that's not free 22:46:34 <peter1138> that's criminal 22:46:49 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> we're supposed to be so free, we celebrate it often... yet, we have more people in prison, jail, on parole, or on probation, per capita, than any other nation on the planet... so... how free is that? <--- that's freedom to protect the citizens against hostile people 22:46:51 <Smoovious> in any society, you're always going to have people who take things too far... but that is no reason, for making it illegal for everyone else, who don't... 22:47:02 <Smoovious> I am the citizens... 22:47:15 <Bjarni> you shouldn't talk about freedom of criminals 22:47:22 <Smoovious> criminals are also citizens 22:47:26 <Bjarni> because if you do, you will end up with serious problems 22:47:32 <Smoovious> and in this country, you're damned right I should talk about it 22:47:34 <MeusH> one's fist is limited only by other's nose 22:47:37 <Smoovious> we already GOT serious problems 22:47:40 <MeusH> and this is what I think 22:47:44 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> criminals are also citizens <-- that's a flawed theory :s 22:47:46 <Smoovious> and they're only getting worse 22:47:49 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:47:51 <Smoovious> it isn't a theory 22:47:51 <MeusH> that I can do whatever I want provided I don't hurt anyone 22:48:04 <Smoovious> it is a fact... just because their criminals, doesn't mean they aren't citizens anymore 22:48:15 <Smoovious> their=they're 22:48:21 <MeusH> and I'm with capital penatly 22:48:39 <MeusH> why should citizens pay higher taxes just to have criminals in luxury prisons? 22:48:42 <Smoovious> I don't believe in murder... I don't care who or what is doing it 22:48:46 <Smoovious> luxury? 22:48:50 <Smoovious> you're kidding, right? 22:49:01 <MeusH> yeah, TV, separate shower and loo 22:49:06 <MeusH> no I'm not kidding 22:49:14 <Patrick> Smoovious: if you don't believe in murder, what do you propose we do to murderers? 22:49:17 <Patrick> kill them? 22:49:18 <Patrick> you sick bastard 22:49:19 <Smoovious> those are priveledges, they earn 22:49:31 <MeusH> prisons should be damn murky so that noone wants to go there 22:49:49 <MeusH> in Poland it's better to live in prison than be without a job 22:50:08 <MeusH> you get free sleeping place, free food, free psyhologist 22:50:12 <MeusH> and all that stuff 22:50:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9134 /branches/newhouses/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: [newhouses] -Fix (r9133): one file went missing during the sync. 22:50:52 <Smoovious> Patrick... lock em up... for life... put them to hard work... they initially take a life, they forfeit theirs... the state owns them now, and they work to maintain the infastructure... think of them as slaves at that point I don't care... 22:51:25 <Sionide> Tefad, you know that picture.... the "little pig" is actually sitting down, so probably roughly the same height as his colleague when they're standing 22:51:27 <Sionide> :/ 22:51:29 <Sionide> silly pic 22:51:38 <Smoovious> but you can't make a dead person suffer for what they did 22:51:51 <Smoovious> execution is an escape 22:51:56 <MeusH> Smoovius, do you pay taxes? or not yet? 22:51:58 <Tefad> Sionide: it is still funnayz 22:52:01 <Sionide> pfft 22:52:09 <Smoovious> I've been paying taxes for years 22:52:32 <Sionide> Smoovious, do you know how much of your tax money goes on keeping people in prison for life? 22:52:53 <MeusH> then I don't really understand you. You pay taxes and some of your money is paid to keep a murderer or raper alive 22:52:57 <MeusH> in prison 22:53:08 <MeusH> with food, psyhologist, tv, toilette 22:53:13 <Bjarni> Smoovious: http://i2-images.tv2.dk/s/70/1571870-b596c3997fdedc8a94afc6a2cbcd72ba.jpeg <-- this is what happens when you start to talk about freedom for criminals and let them do what they want... they find new ways to make life sucks for other people 22:53:16 <Smoovious> that's all it comes down to for you? money? wow... money doesn't come into it for me... my concience(sp?) comes before money 22:53:17 <MeusH> just think about $$ 22:53:22 <Sionide> Smoovious, they get quite a cushty life in there... as MeusH says, tv, gym, three hot meals etc. 22:53:34 <MeusH> I'm with death sentence to murderers 22:53:39 <Smoovious> taking someone's life is wrong, period... doesn't matter how much money I save as a result of it... wrong, is wrong, is wrong... 22:54:06 <Sionide> life never means life anyways 22:54:11 <MeusH> some time ago a terrorist was released from prison 22:54:15 <MeusH> his group killed many people 22:54:27 <MeusH> he was sentenced to 3000 years in prison 22:54:30 <MeusH> sick idea btw. 22:54:31 <Smoovious> Sionide... then that's a different problem... if life doesn't mean life, then we should make sure it means life 22:54:38 <MeusH> and he was free after 13 years 22:54:43 <MeusH> for "good behaviour" 22:54:48 <MeusH> he should have been killed 22:54:58 <Sionide> Smoovious, you *can't* make it mean life though, because it costs too much money! 22:55:04 <Smoovious> yes you can 22:55:12 <Sionide> where you gonna get the money from? 22:55:14 <MeusH> and imagine dumb citizens paying taxes just to have some sick dude fed and taken care of 22:55:20 <Sionide> schools? NHS? 22:55:27 <Smoovious> if you wanted to you could... but people don't give a damn about doing what's right, or not doing what's wrong anymore... all they care about is MONEY... 22:55:48 <Smoovious> Sionide... same place we get money for everything else... we print it... 22:55:58 <Sionide> heh 22:56:01 <Sionide> doesn't work like that 22:56:13 <Smoovious> its not like our money stands for anything... our money hasn't been linked to precious metals for years 22:56:14 <Sionide> the government doesn't just print money to get more of it 22:56:21 <Smoovious> oh yes they do 22:56:25 <Sionide> haha 22:56:39 <Sionide> where are you from? 22:56:45 <Smoovious> Michigan, USA 22:56:50 <MeusH> Smoovious, think of a dentist 22:56:57 <Smoovious> I'd rather not 22:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> they tried that in germany in the 1920's 22:57:01 <MeusH> a murdered in prison goes to dentist 22:57:08 <Sionide> Smoovious, yeah.. inflation.. 22:57:09 <MeusH> kills dentists and runs away 22:57:12 <Sionide> Eddi|zuHause3, i was just getting to that! 22:57:15 <MeusH> why not to kill the criminal before? 22:57:16 <Smoovious> Sionide... exactly 22:57:16 <Born_Acorn> The governments should just shoot the prisoners and not tell anyone. That way nobody can complain! 22:57:19 <Born_Acorn> Mwahahahaha! 22:57:30 <MeusH> good point Born_Acorn 22:57:32 <MeusH> seriously 22:57:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> they ended up with 1$ being worth like 4 000 000 000 000 RM 22:57:35 * Bjarni supports Born_Acorn 22:57:42 <Sionide> Smoovious, exactly what?! that's my point.. you can't just print however much money you like because it becomes worth less 22:57:46 <Bjarni> well, the problem makers anyway 22:57:48 <Smoovious> MeusH... because murder is wrong... just because the target killed someone else, doesn't make it ok for me to kill him 22:57:52 * Sionide doesn't even know why he's arguing 22:58:01 <MeusH> Eddi|zuHause3, yeah, I remeber a photo of women burning money because it burned better than equivalent amount of wood :D 22:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> (and that was where they capped the official exchange, on the black market it rised even more) 22:58:12 <Smoovious> <Sionide> Smoovious, yeah.. inflation.. <--- that 22:58:21 <MeusH> so imagine your mom being fucking raped and murdered 22:58:26 <MeusH> and what are you gonna say? 22:58:31 <MeusH> let him go to prison? 22:58:37 <Smoovious> but, our gov't DOES print however much money they want... and it IS becoming more and more worthless... 22:58:42 <MeusH> he would be set free after 13 years for good behaviour anyway 22:58:47 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> MeusH... because murder is wrong... just because the target killed someone else, doesn't make it ok for me to kill him <--- who fucked up your head??? if somebody kills and wants to kill again, then the logical step would be to make sure that they will not kill again and there is one permanent solution 22:58:48 <MeusH> and you'd pay for his food 22:58:53 <Born_Acorn> I can get two Dollars for a Pound! 22:58:54 <Born_Acorn> Woo! 22:58:55 <Bjarni> if needed 22:59:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> MeusH: it was even funnier, there were people stealing money-trucks, they left the money there, because the truck was worth more 22:59:25 <Bjarni> <Born_Acorn> I can get two Dollars for a Pound! <-- big deal. You used to be able to get 3 22:59:32 <Born_Acorn> yes. :( 22:59:41 <Smoovious> MeusH... I would say lock him up... I'm not going to pile on a wrong, with a wrong of my own... wrong is wrong. and that's just the way it is... and no matter how much money comes into play, it doesn't change the fact that it is still wrong... 22:59:46 <MeusH> haha Eddi|zuHause3 :) 23:00:06 <Smoovious> and nothing is wrong with my head... 23:00:36 <MeusH> Smoovious, so another party comes to goverment and says "amnestion! we make these poor people free! liberation!" 23:00:49 <MeusH> and that criminal is free 23:01:03 <MeusH> he wouldn't be free (and wouldn't kill next people) if he was dead 23:01:06 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause3> MeusH: it was even funnier, there were people stealing money-trucks, they left the money there, because the truck was worth more <-- reminds me of a picture that I once saw. It was in Germany (192x-193x) and some children used money as building blocks... it was cheaper than actually buying building blocks 23:01:13 <Born_Acorn> We should kill everyone, and then ourselves! Boom! No more crime! (me wonders if this is how murdering starts in the first place) 23:01:18 <Smoovious> hell... I bet a majority of you are religious types to begin with... how can you guys advocate, and even promote, killing another person, when according to your religions, that is forbidden, and wrong... when I, who aren't religious, have a stronger sense of what's right and what's wrong, than you guys seem to have? 23:01:24 <Smoovious> come on, get real 23:01:43 <MeusH> Christianity isn't against capital penatly 23:01:44 <Smoovious> <MeusH> Smoovious, so another party comes to goverment and says "amnestion! we make these poor people free! liberation!" <--- don't be rediculous 23:01:54 <Born_Acorn> Dude.. this is the internet... Atheists fall from the sky. 23:01:55 <MeusH> Christanity doesn't say about it anything TBH 23:01:56 <Smoovious> MeusH... it IS against murder 23:01:59 <Bjarni> <Born_Acorn> We should kill everyone, and then ourselves! Boom! No more crime! (me wonders if this is how murdering starts in the first place) <-- don't tell anybody, but nuclear weapons can do this if needed 23:02:09 <Bjarni> and speeds up the process 23:02:18 <Born_Acorn> Hmm. Good thinking" 23:02:23 <MeusH> it's socialistic politicians (soviet atheists) who tell you how to understand christian law 23:02:27 * Born_Acorn wonders if this is how terrorism starts 23:02:48 <MeusH> okay Smoovious, then think about a country 23:02:57 * Smoovious rolls his eyes. 23:02:59 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: are you deeply religious? 23:03:16 <MeusH> a gang leader can sentence someone to death 23:03:16 <Born_Acorn> About as deep as a....reverse... puddle? 23:03:17 <Smoovious> dude... please... you're not going to convince me murder is ok 23:03:21 <MeusH> and pay some money to killer 23:03:36 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: are you a communist? 23:03:46 <MeusH> why shouldn't the president, head of country, who owns nuclear missiles, sentece people to death? 23:03:46 <Born_Acorn> I must say I am not! 23:03:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> communist! burn him! 23:03:54 <Born_Acorn> Go money, woo! 23:03:58 <MeusH> if gangsters can kill, the law should kill, too 23:04:01 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: then you aren't a terrorist wannabe 23:04:09 <Born_Acorn> Hooray! 23:04:22 <Born_Acorn> I can openly murder hundreds and not be a terrorist! 23:04:26 <Bjarni> no 23:04:27 <MeusH> Smoovious, so what do you think about that now? 23:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> that means he has potential for full terrorist ;) 23:04:30 <Smoovious> MeusH... that would presuppose that the gangsters were allowed to kill in the law... they aren't... so it is a rediculous suggestion 23:04:35 <Bjarni> because I used the work "wannabe" 23:04:37 <MeusH> no 23:04:42 <Smoovious> yup 23:04:43 <Born_Acorn> Aww, fiddlesticks. 23:04:43 <MeusH> this means that gangsters are OVER the law 23:04:45 <Bjarni> you can still turn into a real terrorist 23:04:50 <Smoovious> how do you figure that they are allowed to 23:05:01 <Smoovious> MeusH... they aren't... show me part of the law that puts them above it 23:05:11 * Born_Acorn throws down his flaming torch and map to Childrens Orphange 23:05:13 <MeusH> they have money and whole hood of "gangstas" with guns 23:05:24 <Bjarni> <MeusH> this means that gangsters are OVER the law <--- they aren't. They ARE the law if they work right 23:05:33 <Bjarni> like paying police and judges 23:05:39 <MeusH> heh, Bjarni is even more correct 23:05:42 <MeusH> that's called mafia :p 23:05:44 <Bjarni> or "paying" as "we will not kill you" 23:05:47 <Smoovious> some would argue that they are the police and judges... 23:06:05 <MeusH> oh yeah Smoovious, what do you think about terrorism? 23:06:23 <MeusH> because I've got one more reason to convince you to death penatly 23:06:24 <Smoovious> I think it's fabulous! I think we should have more of it! 23:06:30 <Smoovious> come, on man, what do you think? get serious 23:06:31 <MeusH> seriously... 23:06:41 <MeusH> okay, so imagine: 23:06:48 <Bjarni> the difference between police and gangs in Rio is that the government funds the guns to the police.... that's about it 23:06:55 <MeusH> that fucker who killed your relative goes to prison 23:06:58 <Smoovious> you're not going to convince me of it, because no argument you can dream up, is going to change the fact, that murder, is wrong 23:07:03 <MeusH> he was a mobster and he still runs his gang 23:07:06 <Bjarni> they both shoot more or less random people on the streets if they like 23:07:13 <Born_Acorn> We should burn down some guns 23:07:16 <Smoovious> and the death penalty, is literally, premeditated murder... only difference is, it is the state that is doing it 23:07:17 <Born_Acorn> Who is with me! 23:07:21 <MeusH> he is sentenced to stay rest of his live in prison 23:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, we should blow up all nuclear weapons! 23:07:50 <MeusH> his fellow mobsters take some innocent people and announce "if you won't release mr X, we will kill them" 23:07:53 <MeusH> that's terrorism 23:08:04 <MeusH> and either the murderer will be free (and kill someone else) 23:08:14 <MeusH> or innocent people would be shot dead 23:08:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> that'll teach 'em 23:08:30 * Smoovious shakes his head 23:08:33 <MeusH> anyway, more people would die if a murdered stayed alive 23:08:53 <Sionide> tis the worse of two evils really 23:09:06 <MeusH> you'd kill just one person, who doesn't even deserve a damn bullet. Bullets are too expensive 23:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> anyway, i have been about this 'death penalty' discussion a lot of times, and i am pretty certain i am against it 23:09:32 <Bjarni> when Mussolini visited Sicily we was greeted by a mafia boss like he was the mafia boss from Rome and Rome alone. Then he started fighting them to regain control of the island and some of them ran off to USA 23:09:35 <MeusH> but no, you won't kill him. it's bad to kill. It's cruel that he is more clever than you and commits a crime (kills) again 23:09:47 <Smoovious> brb... girlfriend on phone 23:09:50 <MeusH> okay 23:09:53 <Bjarni> and some of them are still in Southern Italy killing police, politicians and stuff 23:10:34 <Bjarni> so if Mussolini didn't try to regain control, would USA had had their mafia issue 23:10:35 <Bjarni> ? 23:10:53 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:12:34 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 23:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> sad, openttd only allows a factor of 5000 for money 23:14:10 <Sionide> aiglx/beryl++ 23:15:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> btw, after the inflation fiasco in germany, it was decided that the currency should not be based on gold, but be treated as a 'loan' on the land, houses, etc. of all german people 23:15:51 *** MeusH_ [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 23:15:58 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:00 <MeusH_> hmm 23:16:04 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 23:16:04 <MeusH_> !logs 23:16:10 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:12 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip195-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:19:08 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 23:20:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:23:25 <Smoovious> ib 23:23:59 <Bjarni> is phonesex that quick? 23:24:19 <Smoovious> no, we don't do that on the phone... we got a channel for that 23:24:23 <Bjarni> then again how should I know... I never bothered to investigate such odd ideas 23:24:40 <Smoovious> although she has masturbated for me on our headsets before 23:24:50 <Bjarni> o_O 23:24:56 <Bjarni> IT WAS A JOKE 23:24:59 * Smoovious thinks about that uptight line of text he said earlier, again 23:25:17 <Smoovious> brb... girlfriend on phone again 23:26:02 * Bjarni notes not to joke about weird sexual activities on IRC again.... people actually does stuff like that 23:33:45 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC529E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:21 <Sacro|Laptop> Smoovious: talk in #tycoon :) 23:34:40 <Bjarni> they want to hear about phonesex and stuff like that? 23:34:46 <Sacro|Laptop> phonesex ftw 23:34:47 <Bjarni> what a bunch of perverts :P 23:34:53 <Sacro|Laptop> though you have to watch out for the aerial 23:35:06 * Mortomes tosses some chees at mggrant. 23:35:12 <Mortomes> *cheese 23:35:35 * mggrant declares that terrorism! 23:35:47 * Mortomes surrenders. 23:36:06 <Bjarni> well I'm not surprised that Sacro would like phonesex.... he reacts to anything containing boobs or sex 23:36:15 <Bjarni> Sacro: (.)(.) 23:36:21 <Mortomes> Boobies! 23:36:27 <Tefad> heh. . 23:36:33 <Bjarni> lol 23:36:33 <Sacro|Laptop> :D BREASTS 23:37:10 <Bjarni> <Mortomes> Boobies! <-- I was about to write "see, Sacro always reacts like that"... but then "oh wait.... wrong guy" 23:37:19 * Mortomes grins. 23:37:22 <Smoovious> hey... I don't think of phonesex as being perverted one bit... after all... I've seen tubgirl... shit like that forces you to redefine your terms about what's perverted or not... 23:37:57 *** ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-227-50-157.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Have a nice time!] 23:39:53 <Bjarni> because you find some perverted people, who decide that some perversions aren't perversions anymore? 23:39:56 <Bjarni> sounds odd 23:40:30 <Bjarni> so stealing a bike is ok because stealing a car is worse, so I decide to move the line of what is ok? 23:40:39 <Bjarni> I didn't know it worked like that :P 23:42:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Bjarni> <Mortomes>Boobies! <-- I was about to write "see, Sacro always reacts like that"... but then "oh wait.... wrong guy" <- i got confused there for a second as well ;) 23:42:23 * Smoovious chuckles. 23:42:29 * Mortomes is good. 23:42:32 <Smoovious> well, yeah, it works like that... where have you been? 23:43:12 <Bjarni> <Smoovious> well, yeah, it works like that... where have you been? <-- at a place with sane people 23:43:22 <Bjarni> so I'm unaffected by crap theory 23:43:32 <Smoovious> sanity is over-rated... and is also a relative term... 23:44:03 <Bjarni> Mortomes: even though it appears that you would fit well with Sacro you should stay away from him. He already fucked one person, who ended up at a mental hospital 23:44:22 <Sacro|Laptop> :o she... 23:44:22 <Bjarni> "it seemed like a good idea at the time" 23:44:25 <Sacro|Laptop> did actually... 23:44:49 <Mortomes> Do I want to know? 23:44:53 <Bjarni> no 23:44:54 <Smoovious> hey, insane chicks can be pretty wild in bed 23:44:56 <Bjarni> NO!!!! 23:44:56 <Mortomes> Ok 23:45:02 <Mortomes> OK!!!! 23:48:41 <Bjarni> Mortomes: btw what patch are you working on? 23:49:12 <Mortomes> Errr.. none, I just play OpenTTD and figured I'd check out the IRC channel :) 23:49:37 <Bjarni> WHAT??? 23:49:41 <Bjarni> you aren't coding? 23:49:52 <Mortomes> Perverted, I know. 23:49:52 <Smoovious> leecher! 23:50:03 <Sacro|Laptop> Smoovious: dunno bout bed, but she was pretty wild in the living room 23:50:40 <Smoovious> Sacro|Laptop... hey, man... doesn't even have to be a room. :) You should see some of the stuff that goes on at the campground 23:51:59 <Bjarni> you know, when trains drive after the last one, the drivers tend to see people on the slopes to the railroad doing... well you know 23:52:15 <Bjarni> mainly during the summer time 23:52:18 <Smoovious> yeah, I know. :D 23:52:39 <Smoovious> the median of a freeway is good too... the truckers like to blow their horns... they're the only ones who can see 23:53:24 <Bjarni> pervert 23:53:36 <Smoovious> damned right I am! and don't you forget it! 23:54:05 <Bjarni> for some reason I never noticed people doing it when I was driving at night 23:54:16 <Bjarni> s/was/has been 23:54:22 <Smoovious> who said anything about at night? 23:55:20 <Bjarni> for some reason people don't do it when there is a train every 10th minute each way 23:55:42 <Mortomes> Guess they're not all that perverted then :) 23:56:29 * Smoovious nods agreement wit Mortomes 23:57:05 <Smoovious> glass elevators are good too 23:57:20 <Bjarni> ... 23:57:33 * Bjarni notes that he should ALWAYS use the stairs 23:57:35 <Bjarni> hmm 23:57:48 <Bjarni> wouldn't make a difference 23:57:55 <Smoovious> go down through the lobby, just so a few people see you, and when you get to the lower floor, take off and run like hell so you don't get caught by security 23:58:01 <Mortomes> Or stairwells. 23:58:06 <Smoovious> stairwells aren't immune 23:58:09 <Bjarni> elevators is an invention for fat people to grow ever more fat :P 23:58:26 <Smoovious> they're also great for jumping in the air when it starts down 23:58:50 * Bjarni sighs 23:58:50 <Smoovious> a good fast elevator will give you a nice bit of hang-time 23:59:13 <Bjarni> what's wrong with your own bed? 23:59:25 <Mortomes> Not as much hang time obviously. 23:59:31 * Smoovious nods. 23:59:40 <Bjarni> hang time? 23:59:46 <Bjarni> wtf is hang time? 23:59:47 <Smoovious> plus I use it for sleeping mainly 23:59:48 <Bjarni> wait 23:59:52 <Mortomes> Time spent in the air. 23:59:55 <Bjarni> maybe I don't want to know :p