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(@ another pc now) 05:56:40 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489d8de.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:09 <boekabart_> answer to my own question: http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd-2007.html 06:03:30 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:09:16 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489e34d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:47 <SpComb> boekabart_: !logs 06:10:57 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 06:10:57 <boekabart_> !logs 06:11:17 <boekabart_> apparently more than 1 site is logging :) 06:11:24 <SpComb> I was the first one, though :P 06:11:29 <boekabart_> hm, the thegrebs one is prettier :) 06:11:34 <SpComb> 423 days logged since Feb 25 2006 06:11:51 <SpComb> I have a prettier version that works, but I haven't had the time to make it production-ready 06:12:15 <boekabart_> totally unimportant anyway. Thanks, found the info i needed 06:12:38 <SpComb> but I have had this big nagging feeling recently that I need to pick it up again and finish it off 06:14:02 * peter1138 nags SpComb 06:14:24 <boekabart_> look who's alive :) 06:14:53 <boekabart_> peter1138: the link you sent me yesterday still points to your latest version? 06:15:43 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/deepwater2.diff 06:15:49 <peter1138> removes that bit you mentioned 06:15:55 <peter1138> and adds transparency option 06:16:07 <boekabart_> what's that option? 06:16:23 <boekabart_> and what is the 'UI' for changing sea level? 06:17:08 <peter1138> UI? you want a UI? 06:17:19 <peter1138> i was just adjusting it with a debugger ;p 06:17:39 <peter1138> but... easy to add it to the patches window 06:20:32 <boekabart_> ok, just checking 06:20:38 <boekabart_> wondered if i missed it :) 06:20:51 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 06:20:52 <boekabart_> i fixed bridge drawing 06:21:04 <peter1138> was it broken? 06:21:17 <boekabart_> well yes, it drew the pillars under water 06:24:13 <boekabart_> well they were sorted out after 06:25:09 <boekabart_> still, pixels for nothing 06:40:30 *** orudge` [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 06:44:00 *** orudge [~orudge@8afbfebe.resnet.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:48:06 <boekabart_> if (GetMaxTileHeight(tile) <= _patches.sealevel + 1) break; 06:48:15 <boekabart_> is not OK according to vs80 06:48:27 <boekabart_> types are uint / uint8 06:48:41 <boekabart_> but this IS ok: 06:48:43 <boekabart_> if (GetMaxTileHeight(tile) <= _patches.sealevel) break; 06:49:02 <boekabart_> apparently, unsigned char + 1 = int ? 06:49:14 <peter1138> o_O 06:49:18 <peter1138> + 1U ? 06:49:45 <boekabart_> yea, that helps 06:49:56 <boekabart_> same thing with * TILE_HEIGHT 06:50:15 <boekabart_> (uint)TILE_HEIGHT fixes that 06:50:33 <peter1138> le sigh 06:54:12 <boekabart_> what to do with building depots... only on 0-deep water? 06:54:27 <boekabart_> sounds reasonable, doesn't it 06:54:46 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:59:18 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387DD35.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:00:31 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 07:02:22 *** maddy [~maddy@88-136-249-118.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #openttd 07:06:19 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C56D.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:27 <peter1138> yes 07:10:28 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 07:10:50 * peter1138 bahs at plane speed patch 07:11:17 <peter1138> our taxi speed is reduced, so if i just /4 then taxiing takes days 07:11:34 <boekabart_> peter1138: do you think it's a good idea to modify the GetSlopeZ_Water and GetSlopetileh_Water functions to return water level/slope instead of sea-floor slope? 07:11:58 <boekabart_> it does fix the ship movements, but i'm not sure what it might break 07:12:23 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-154.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:12:31 <peter1138> i don't know 07:17:03 <boekabart_> i like the transparent option :) but to call water a building.... 07:19:10 <peter1138> hmm? 07:19:13 <peter1138> oh, the menu option, heh 07:19:20 <peter1138> use the transparency toolbar 07:19:25 <peter1138> press ^X 07:19:44 <roboboy> or call it underwater view? 07:19:48 <roboboy> like RCT 07:20:10 <peter1138> 08:07 < Tama00> lol 07:20:15 <roboboy> so add it as an extra option? 07:20:17 <peter1138> errr 07:20:30 <roboboy> lol 07:20:31 <peter1138> it is an extra option 07:20:34 <roboboy> ok 07:20:49 <peter1138> ^8 toggles it, heh 07:21:21 * peter1138 goes 07:30:49 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 07:37:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 07:38:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 07:43:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 07:47:43 <peter1138> time to put the coffee on 07:53:22 <SpComb> time to reboot quakenet 07:58:06 <boekabart_> what happens when a train depot with trains in it, is flooded? 07:58:11 <boekabart_> everything gone? 08:07:47 <boekabart_> peter1138: changing GetSlopeZ_Water influences too much.. better let ship controller call a specific GetSlopeZ_WaterSurface function 08:10:56 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:13:42 <peter1138> :/ 08:13:58 <peter1138> does it need it? 08:14:22 <peter1138> can be fixed easily, i should think 08:15:30 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/ships.diff ? 08:15:35 <peter1138> hmmmmm 08:15:52 <peter1138> no that won't do for low canals 08:16:10 <peter1138> so just test if it's a canal first :D 08:16:11 <boekabart_> i've fixed it already 08:16:20 <peter1138> oh 08:17:07 <boekabart_> actually i've thought of a sealevel patch that is a LOT better, but it requires an extra uint8 in map array 08:17:12 <boekabart_> that's not acceptable, right? 08:17:38 <peter1138> another one? why? 08:17:45 <boekabart_> it's more realistic 08:18:04 <peter1138> so *all* tiles need to store sea level? 08:18:21 <boekabart_> yes 08:18:30 <peter1138> o_O 08:18:38 <boekabart_> makes lakes and stuff possible 08:18:54 <peter1138> not possible to store it just for water tiles? 08:19:04 <boekabart_> well yes 08:19:11 <boekabart_> do water tiles have 8 bits left? 08:19:14 <peter1138> no 08:19:26 <peter1138> they have 50 bits free 08:19:38 <boekabart_> wOOt! 08:19:42 <boekabart_> where? 08:20:10 <peter1138> all of m2, m3, m4 and m7, bits 2-7 of m5 and bits 2-5 of m6 08:20:31 <boekabart_> you know that by heart? :) 08:20:35 <peter1138> yes 08:20:38 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html 08:20:41 <peter1138> i lied ;p 08:21:07 <boekabart_> first we'll finish this, i need to focus... 08:27:34 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:51:35 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:54:20 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 08:54:29 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-162.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:58:50 <boekabart_> peter1138: only m7 would be usable, other are in use by dock, oilrig 08:59:09 <peter1138> hmm 09:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause3> doesn't that suffice? 09:01:28 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:02:52 <Rubidium> I guess m7 will be used for oilrigs in newindustries 09:04:38 <peter1138> and i'll be using it for stations, though probably not for docks, yet 09:12:09 <hylje> with several water levels, rivers and other aquatic constructs might be a breeze 09:13:46 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:15:04 <peter1138> hylje: they'll be a breeze if you code it for us :D 09:15:17 <hylje> yes, sure 09:15:25 <peter1138> Rubidium: planespeed/taxiing 09:15:43 <peter1138> Rubidium: if i apply a 'planespeed 1' patch, taxiing is really slow. acceptable? ;p 09:16:14 <peter1138> (i gather that celestar doesn't care) 09:23:50 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:24:01 *** TinoM|152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:24:05 *** TinoM|152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:24 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:36:02 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 09:36:21 *** eJoJ [~Aim@4.84-48-125.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:36:54 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:15 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 10:00:44 <boekabart_> hylje: I'm thinking the same thing and have the code in my head already. 10:00:56 <hylje> thats great! 10:01:19 <hylje> but i dont think any draining mechanisms can be had 10:01:28 <boekabart_> I think they can 10:01:59 <hylje> if so, that'd be totally sweet 10:02:04 <boekabart_> But first i'll finish the basic high-sealevel-patch. I'm fighting with the drying-up after lowering sea level again... I don't want lakes to dry up.... 10:03:18 <hylje> lakes in this context? 10:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> just start "anti-flooding" from 0x0 10:03:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> anything not connected to the sea will then not dry out 10:05:57 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 10:13:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 10:16:11 <boekabart_> Eddi|zuHause3: how do you suggest that drying up propagates then? instantaneously? 10:16:18 <boekabart_> currently it's like flooding 10:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> yes, i thought like flooding 10:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i do not know how flooding is exactly implemented 10:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> you could implement it like a BFS 10:18:54 <boekabart_> flooding is in tileLoop: if a tile is water and the neighbour is not, it will become wet too. 10:19:41 <boekabart_> basically, drying up works the same now for water tiles that are above sea level: if any neighbour at same height is dry, dry up too 10:20:05 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:05 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 10:24:17 <boekabart_> i got it to work so that lakes stay wet 10:24:32 <boekabart_> but they won't get larger if modified: they will dry up 10:25:33 <boekabart_> since drying up is stronger than flooding, above sea level 10:39:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-155-10.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:48:43 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:13 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:49:25 *** qfh [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #openttd 11:05:36 <Rubidium> peter1138: does that slow taxiing mean that it is possible to get them stuck? 11:05:41 <peter1138> no 11:06:20 <Rubidium> then it's ok by me; planespeed should (ofcourse) be on all speeds of a plane ;) 11:07:06 <peter1138> can always be adjust later, of course 11:07:14 <peter1138> default to 1 or 4? 11:09:25 <Rubidium> I'd say default to TTDs speed 11:09:34 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 11:09:41 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:09:59 *** Taikaponi [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 11:11:35 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54b81215.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:36 <peter1138> so taxiing is slow? :p 11:13:57 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80A8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:07 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:36 <boekabart_> ever been in a plane? taxiing IS ALWAYS ANNOYINGLY SLOW! 11:23:02 <peter1138> heh 11:23:26 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/speed.diff 11:41:35 *** Tino|R152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:40 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:42:53 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:42:56 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has joined #openttd 11:45:05 *** Tino|IfGI [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:48:19 *** miegel__ [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:49:39 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:50:02 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 11:50:32 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:52:56 *** Tino|IfGI [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:55:07 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B80A8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:24 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-62-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:59 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54b80609.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:58:08 *** miegel__ [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:20 *** miegel__ [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:12:27 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:12:32 *** miegel__ is now known as Tino|r152 12:12:35 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:14:42 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 12:18:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:22:36 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:24:44 *** thctlo [~thctlo@radelaar.speedxs.nl] has joined #openttd 12:24:49 *** thctlo [~thctlo@radelaar.speedxs.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:27:01 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 12:28:17 *** Tino|r152 [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 12:29:42 *** G0D [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 12:34:48 *** miegel__ [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:36:08 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:49 *** miegel__ is now known as Tino|r152 12:36:56 <Tino|r152> f 12:37:05 <peter1138> f? 12:37:06 *** Tino|r152 is now known as Tino|R152| 12:37:21 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 12:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's the letter next to g 12:42:27 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause3: what a strange keyboard you have 12:43:04 <Sacro> no... 12:43:06 <peter1138> it's a letter next to f... 12:43:09 <Sacro> its like that on mine too 12:43:10 <peter1138> but not *the* letter... 12:43:15 <peter1138> Sacro fails 12:43:27 <Sacro> indeed he does 12:48:16 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:53:45 *** Tino|R152| [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 12:54:25 *** miegel__ [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 12:55:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-154.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:56:56 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:56:57 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 13:04:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:50 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:26 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:18:57 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:20:09 <Belugas> hello 13:20:43 <peter1138> Belugas :D 13:21:34 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:26:34 <Belugas> #water water everywhere! 13:27:09 <Belugas> how's life, Master? 13:27:59 *** rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 13:28:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o rubidium] by ChanServ 13:28:29 *** rubidium is now known as Rubidium 13:31:53 <Belugas> it looks like i should start reserving bits and bytes for newindustries, if i don't want to see any left ones used up by the new water scheme :) 13:32:06 <Belugas> kick in the butt boy! 13:39:49 <boekabart_> Belugas: You can relax, I've now got High Seas, Rivers and Lakes working with no extra bit used 13:40:21 <Belugas> congratulations :) 13:40:33 <boekabart_> i hope 13:40:47 <Belugas> either way, i have stuff to clean on industries. requirements of a *certain* project of mine ;) 13:41:42 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-29.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:41:43 <Belugas> map-oriented-stuff, might i add... 13:44:26 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-29.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:42 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-29.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 13:44:48 <maddy> how can i use newindustries from the nightlies? 13:46:22 <Belugas> you can't 13:46:30 <Belugas> it's not in the nighlties 13:46:40 <Belugas> it's not even on my own machines 13:46:50 <Belugas> welll not finished,that is... 13:46:54 <Belugas> far form it 13:46:59 <Belugas> far FROM it 13:48:33 <maddy> ah, because in the logs i see every time new changes for newindustries 13:48:46 <maddy> i thought maybe it is already available 13:48:48 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb48ea.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:50 <Sacro> newindustries? 13:49:02 <maddy> or was it newcargo... 13:49:10 <maddy> yeah! 13:49:13 <maddy> newcargo 13:49:18 <maddy> i meant newcargo 13:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> those are two different things 13:49:30 <Sacro> its newcagoes 13:49:36 <Sacro> *newcargoes 13:49:51 <maddy> yes, i meant newcargos, not newindustries 13:49:57 <maddy> how can i use them? 13:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> new car goes? you better hope it drives :p 13:50:13 <maddy> Eddi|zuHause3: :p 13:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can't use newcargos without industries 13:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> newindustries 13:50:29 <maddy> lol 13:50:33 <maddy> ok 13:50:48 <maddy> then i forget about newcargos and newiindustries 13:51:33 <Thomas[NL]> some people are talking about the new map-array format, what will be different at what will be the advantages? 13:52:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> there were lots of different plans for that... not all lead anywhere 13:52:22 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:27 <Belugas> they do not know whata they are talking about 13:52:40 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 13:52:43 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:06 <Belugas> they are confused by the evilish wiki! 13:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> the last plan i heard was stacked tiles, in preparation of flexible bridges 13:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> but apart from the C++ port, i have not seen anything happening towards that direction 13:56:39 <Belugas> can addition of m7 counts? 13:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> m7 has nothing to do with stacked tiles :) 13:57:28 <Belugas> no, but for new map array, it could, since it's a new array in the map! 13:57:29 <Belugas> lol 13:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... yes :) 13:58:54 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pd9eb48ea.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:05 <ln-> boris yeltsin is dead 14:05:36 <boekabart_> i just heard 14:05:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:12:17 *** Vikthor [novotv6@pc304-29.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:24 <peter1138> heh 14:14:42 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 14:14:49 <peter1138> was he doing anything? 14:21:39 <boekabart_> no, except for drinking a lot, apparently. 14:22:09 <peter1138> now that i aspire to 14:22:40 <Belugas> slurp 14:22:42 <Belugas> burp 14:25:49 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:37:48 <boekabart_> Updated! http://boekabart.googlepages.com/sealevel 14:38:06 <hylje> great" 14:38:07 <hylje> ! 14:38:48 <hylje> omg 14:39:11 <hylje> all we need is stream sprites? 14:41:11 <boekabart_> yea, we do need those. 14:42:05 <boekabart_> going home.. later! 14:48:46 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:54:59 *** Franchie [~francois@user-85-201-3-193.tvcablenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:55:06 *** Franchie [~francois@user-85-201-3-193.tvcablenet.be] has left #openttd [] 14:56:32 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:19 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:07 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 15:03:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03:42 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd like to see: lake water, stream water (with direction), waterfalls, shallow sea, deep sea and ocean ground (when transparent) sprites 15:05:57 <maddy> me too 15:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> and also streams affecting ship speeds :) 15:07:04 <maddy> hehehe 15:07:14 <Belugas> steam ships 15:08:07 <ln-> what about frozen lakes with temporary ice roads over them? 15:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think anyone outside finland thinks this is a great idea :p 15:09:16 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:09:26 <ln-> or frozen lakes with temporary railroads over them? 15:10:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> somehow i knew that one was coming :p 15:11:14 *** miegel__ [Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:19 <hylje> i didnt expect that 15:11:35 <Belugas> roads on lakes are known in here too. 15:11:41 <Belugas> trains on lake were used 15:11:44 <Belugas> not aymore 15:11:48 <Belugas> since eons 15:11:52 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 15:12:05 *** Tino|R152 [~Tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [] 15:12:06 <Belugas> frozen lakes... 15:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> hylje: a while ago he showed a picture of rails over ice, because the bridge was destroyed (by germans retreating in WWII) 15:12:58 <hylje> :> 15:13:12 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493d080.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:21 <yeti_> hi :) 15:13:56 <Belugas> hello 15:14:43 <yeti_> when you upgrade your railways to monorail, what's the easiest method to upgrade your trains? build new depots, the trains, then copy orders? 15:14:50 <yeti_> or is there something easier :) ? 15:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> i don't think so 15:16:02 <yeti_> okay :) still a lot better than original ttd though. is it known when PBS will be back? 15:16:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> no 15:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, yes, the PBS you know will never come back 15:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> the new signal system will be much more than just PBS 15:19:00 <blathijs> oeh, are there designs for a new signal system? 15:21:48 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096603617.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 15:23:34 <Belugas> ho... xyz is from Montreal 15:23:44 <Belugas> welcome then :) 15:24:01 <Belugas> don't know blathijs. 15:24:12 <Belugas> You might ask KUDr 15:24:40 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:55 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:51 <xyz> hi 15:26:07 <maddy> hiho 15:26:17 <xyz> what's with Montreal? 15:26:25 <peter1138> pom te pom 15:26:41 <xyz> what is that? 15:28:07 <Belugas> xyz, i am too :) i saw that on your address ;) 15:28:23 <xyz> oh 15:28:25 <xyz> ok 15:28:29 <xyz> nice 15:28:31 <xyz> :P 15:28:43 <xyz> finaly spring coming 15:28:45 <xyz> ;) 15:29:11 <Belugas> you bet! 15:36:12 <Belugas> and gardening too. Nothing is for free :( 15:36:13 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:46 <maddy> i love gardening 15:40:09 <maddy> is a change from the programming the whole day 15:40:39 <Ailure> Yes 15:40:41 <Ailure> It's like 15:40:42 <Ailure> RL terraforming 15:40:59 <maddy> lol 15:41:04 <maddy> something like it 15:44:49 <peter1138> heh 15:45:00 <peter1138> press a few buttons to plant stuff... 15:47:58 <Belugas> or maybe obey the Grand Manager 15:48:03 <Belugas> your wife!!! 15:48:37 <peter1138> hehe 15:48:50 <peter1138> i need that bulldozer tool... 15:50:54 <HMage> and if you don't have much time, use copy-paste patch 15:52:19 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:26 <Belugas> that would be so cool 15:53:25 <HMage> but it would mess your terrain if you make a mistake 15:53:30 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:54:52 *** llugo [~lugo@pD95827FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:38 *** lugo [~lugo@pd9583738.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1e83b.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:57 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-181-227.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:18:47 *** maddy [~maddy@88-136-249-118.adslgp.cegetel.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:59 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 16:32:12 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:32:14 *** Wolfensteijn [~wolf@h88211156156.dsl.speedlinq.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:34:43 <Wolf01> hello 16:35:58 *** adumitru007 [~adumitru0@89.165.153.122] has joined #openttd 16:38:08 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 16:39:00 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3FB67.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:38 <xyz> hi 16:40:18 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab86.tln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 16:40:24 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3e070.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:41 <adumitru007> how do I use xmlNodeGetContent(NodePtr cur) to extract the info in an xml-sequence like this one? <tag1><tag2><text>CONTENT</text></tag2></tag1> ? 16:43:33 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab86.tln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 16:45:18 <xyz> adumitru007 ro> 16:45:19 <xyz> ? 16:46:37 *** adumitru007 [~adumitru0@89.165.153.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:48 <Belugas> wrong channel :D 16:47:07 *** adumitru007 [~adumitru0@89.165.153.122] has joined #openttd 16:47:31 <Digitalfox[Home]> Belugas this a little offtopic, but do you know anything about cars tyres? 16:47:39 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0559.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:47:40 <yeti_> why do planes always fly a circle around the airport before landing? 16:47:56 <Belugas> Digitalfox[Home] : cars tires? 16:48:10 <Digitalfox[Home]> I need to change my car tyres.. And i'm having a hard time to pick the right ones 16:48:15 *** adumitru007 [~adumitru0@89.165.153.122] has left #openttd [] 16:48:19 <Belugas> i know about winter tires and 4 seasons ones... 16:48:21 <Digitalfox[Home]> so many companys and models 16:48:21 <Belugas> that';s about it 16:48:40 <Digitalfox[Home]> It's an Audi A3 205/60/15 16:48:46 <Digitalfox[Home]> yeah 16:48:53 <glx> expensive size :) 16:48:54 <Digitalfox[Home]> i'm seraching for sites with reviews 16:49:01 <Rubidium> Digitalfox[Home], tip: go to a company that sells lots of tyres 16:49:01 <Belugas> my father-in-law owns a garage. he's the one selling me what i need 16:49:14 <Belugas> i never know the details... 16:49:30 <Belugas> i don't even know the pressure required :S 16:49:42 <xyz> :) 16:49:46 <Digitalfox[Home]> Rubidium: I did, to 3, but all have diferent tyres and models and prices.. It's so confusing 16:49:50 <glx> Belugas: look at the sticker when you open the door :) 16:50:22 <Belugas> i may do that :) 16:50:28 <Digitalfox[Home]> And the you have tyres that cost 55EUR, 65, 75 120, etc... 16:50:48 <Digitalfox[Home]> Anyway it's offtopic, so thanks :) 16:51:12 <Digitalfox[Home]> Anyone knows a good review site for tyres? 16:52:06 <glx> Digitalfox[Home]: http://www.pneucity.com/ 16:52:20 <Digitalfox[Home]> glx: Thanks a lot :) :) 16:54:26 *** Chrissicom [~Chris@p579E1FB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:52 <Chrissicom> good afternoon =) 16:55:08 <Digitalfox[Home]> hello 16:55:28 <xyz> i think there is a bug in the intercontinental aeroport plane handeling code 16:55:49 <Digitalfox[Home]> xyz: What's the bug? 16:56:01 <Chrissicom> do you also have the problem that planes seem to use only one runway? 16:56:23 <xyz> the plane that is taking of from the second runway (the cosest to the camera) makes a 450 degree turn 16:56:33 <xyz> in stead of 90 16:57:17 <xyz> 450 anti-clockwise in stead of 9 clockwise 16:57:19 <Rubidium> what version are we talking about? 16:57:37 <xyz> all til latest AI build 16:57:40 <xyz> let me check 16:57:42 <Rubidium> (450 anti-clockwise != 90 clockwise) 16:57:51 <xyz> :) 16:57:59 <xyz> 360 + 90 16:58:05 <xyz> ups 16:58:09 <xyz> is 36-90 16:58:14 <xyz> 360-90 16:58:16 <xyz> sorry :P 16:58:28 <xyz> so 270 16:58:55 <xyz> is r9634 -noAI 16:59:06 <xyz> i have a savegame if you want 16:59:11 <xyz> or a screenshot 16:59:33 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:45 <Rubidium> can you reproduce it in trunk? 16:59:55 <xyz> let me try 17:01:56 <Chrissicom> I just got a strange missing include when compiling the 0.5.1 source 17:01:57 <Chrissicom> .\music\dmusic.cpp(15) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'dmksctrl.h': No such file or directory 17:02:01 <Chrissicom> what file is that? 17:02:17 <Rubidium> you miss directX stuff 17:02:39 <Rubidium> so you need to install some DirectX SDK 17:03:35 <Chrissicom> can I use the April 2007 SDK or is the 8.1 required mentioned in the readme? 17:04:26 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 17:04:27 <xyz> iep it is happening in the trunk also 17:04:41 *** nfc [~nfc@dsl-hvkgw1-fe65fa00-43.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:04:42 <Rubidium> and in 0.5.1? 17:04:58 <xyz> :) 17:05:02 <xyz> le me see 17:05:37 <Rubidium> Chrissicom: have you added the correct paths to the configuration of MSVC? 17:06:11 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:06:28 <Chrissicom> I am using a standard install of VC++ 2005 Express and didn't change any dirs 17:06:50 <Chrissicom> and I copied the PSDK files to .../VC/PlatformSDK/include ./bin etc.... 17:07:00 <Chrissicom> that solved the problem of a missing winsock2.h and windows.h 17:07:10 <Chrissicom> I am trying to install the DX SDK right now :) 17:08:06 <Rubidium> < Chrissicom> can I use the April 2007 SDK or is the 8.1 required mentioned in the readme? <- under the assumption that it's backward compatible, it should work 17:08:39 <xyz> 0.5.1 also 17:09:23 <Chrissicom> I'll see if I can reproduce the problem xyz describes, I have a game open with icont airports right now 17:09:33 <Rubidium> can you make a bugreport @ bugs.openttd.org for 0.5.1 and attach the 0.5.1 savegame? 17:11:03 <xyz> can i use the forum username for that? 17:11:22 <xyz> or i have to register 17:11:43 <Rubidium> it should allow unregistered reporting, but I'm not really sure about it 17:12:41 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 17:12:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:13:23 <Chrissicom> do you have YAPF enabled in the patch settings xyz? 17:13:28 <Chrissicom> I can't reproduce the problem in my game 17:13:52 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:14:29 <xyz> Chrissicom: yes 17:14:32 <Wolf01> Belugas: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=578259#578259 oh dear :P 17:14:57 <Rubidium> the pathfinder settings shouldn't bother the airplanes 17:15:31 <xyz> it is just for trains roads and ships 17:16:18 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54b80609.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:23 <Chrissicom> oh my the DX SDK has 441 MB :D that'll take me 6 or 7 mins till I can try if it solves my problem 17:17:14 <Chrissicom> oh you're right hmm 17:17:32 <Chrissicom> send me the link to your bugreport when you made it and I'll check your savegame here :) 17:18:32 <xyz> ok 17:19:32 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54b80e9f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:21:54 <xyz> Notice: Undefined variable: register_text in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 602 17:21:54 <xyz> Notice: Undefined index: project_title in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 605 17:21:54 <xyz> Notice: Undefined index: flyspray_userid in /www/openttd.org/bugs/includes/notify.inc.php on line 264 17:21:56 <xyz> ups 17:21:58 <xyz> :P 17:23:11 <boekabart> Chrissicom: on my site you can find a torrent to a super lite version of DX-SDK (jan2007), install-less, perfect for building ottd 17:23:41 <boekabart> http://boekabart.googlepages.com/ 17:24:32 <Rubidium> MiHaMiX: why is flyspray still throwing warnings at new users? 17:24:38 <hylje> the other solution is of course to use linux 17:24:58 <boekabart> that's even more work than installing the full dx-sdk 17:25:00 <boekabart> ;) 17:25:46 <hylje> depends 17:27:10 <Chrissicom> oh cool link boekabart I'll give that a try :D although installing the DX SDK just fixed my problem already 17:27:22 <Chrissicom> but I'd prefer a few files to a big installation :D 17:27:22 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0EFC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:08 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0EFC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:41 <Belugas> Wolf01 : thanks, saw it, tried to cool down the expectations 17:28:48 <Belugas> hopefully... 17:28:56 <Sacro> ooh tis a boekabart 17:30:45 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-240-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:50 <dihedral> hello 17:31:00 <xyz> here is the link http://bugs.openttd.org/task/743 17:32:28 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/errmsg.png 17:32:32 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/errmsg2.png 17:32:42 <dihedral> can someone tell me what that is about? 17:33:00 <dihedral> i was spectating one of my games 17:33:01 <glx> what were you doing? 17:33:11 <dihedral> hehe - was faster 17:33:54 <dihedral> just toggling that button gave me that window 17:33:58 <dihedral> every single time 17:34:06 <dihedral> i have seen an empty error message box more often 17:34:21 <dihedral> like when simply joining a game 17:34:27 <dihedral> not that it influenced anything 17:34:44 <dihedral> but it only started coming in 0.5.1 (RC3) 17:34:59 <peter1138> hellay 17:35:31 <peter1138> dihedral: "that" button? 17:35:38 <glx> autorenew 17:35:41 <dihedral> yup 17:35:44 <dihedral> as you can see 17:35:50 <dihedral> when looking at the 2 screenies 17:36:05 <peter1138> ah 17:36:10 <peter1138> not obvious from one :p 17:36:23 <dihedral> but like i said - it happens on more occations - though this being the reproducable one 17:36:29 <dihedral> no - it's not 17:36:35 <dihedral> thats why there are 2 :-D 17:37:48 <dihedral> also once happened when i was spectating and ran a connect command... 17:38:15 <yeti_> if i set my airplanes to autoupgrade to a larger model, will it rebuild the planes to carry the goods that the old ones carried? 17:38:30 <peter1138> yes, in theory 17:38:34 <glx> if it can yes 17:39:43 <dihedral> any ideas what could be causing these empty error message boxes? 17:40:56 <Chrissicom> @xyz I downloaded your savegame and tried it, now I got what you exactly meant before :) 17:41:06 <Chrissicom> it's 100% reproducable in any game with 0.5.1 17:41:20 <xyz> :) 17:41:47 <xyz> i think it is in the game till the introduction of the intercontinental airport 17:43:32 <Chrissicom> I've just checked the behaviour on other airports 17:43:57 <Chrissicom> and e.g. when landing on a metropolition or international airport they do this same full circle turn when leaving the runway 17:44:36 <Chrissicom> it's not really a bug but not choosing the best path I think 17:45:33 <xyz> well i gave it a low severity 17:47:48 <glx> dihedral: did that happen in RC2? 17:48:36 <dihedral> not when i ran the connect command but i did not try it with the autorenew... 17:49:08 <dihedral> i should still have a binary on my server i could test it quickly 17:52:40 <dihedral> yes it does happen with autorenew 17:52:51 <Sacro> 0.5.1.1 17:52:55 <dihedral> i'll try one of the versions before (0.5.0 and RC1) 17:53:25 <dihedral> i feel 0.5.2RC1 coming soon :-P 17:55:39 <Chrissicom> hmmm I still have an error when compiling 0.5.1 source 17:55:53 <Chrissicom> I have a file C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\PlatformSDK\Include\mfc\afxres.h 17:55:58 <Chrissicom> but when compiling I get this error: 17:56:06 <Chrissicom> 2>.\ottdres.rc(15) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open include file 'afxres.h'. 17:57:10 <dihedral> well - it happens in 0.5.0 too 17:57:15 <MiHaMiX> Rubidium: err... i don't really know, i'll test it 17:58:42 <dihedral> i have also got more than one report of private messages not working 17:59:04 <dihedral> but only if the server has been up for more than 5 games or so 17:59:17 <dihedral> could it possibly be because of the higher client numbers? 18:02:32 <Rubidium> higher client numbers? 18:02:54 <dihedral> i dont know 18:03:04 <dihedral> connected clients get numbers 18:03:24 <dihedral> at some part the number reach 2000+ 18:03:25 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-155-10.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:03:34 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Ammller))] 18:03:44 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 18:04:36 <Rubidium> I see no reason why it would stop working at around the number 2000 18:04:47 <dihedral> i have no idea 18:04:56 <dihedral> but it seems to be a reocuring issue 18:05:13 <Rubidium> but is it at 2000, or maybe ~256? 18:05:36 <dihedral> i do not play there that much myself - i only go around and check up on the games 18:05:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b80e9f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:06:09 <dihedral> sometimes the pm's worked 18:06:35 <dihedral> but very often (when the server has been running for some time) i get a report from players that it aint working 18:07:19 <dihedral> SirkoZ just mentioned "after serving the 5th game or so" 18:08:10 <dihedral> for my games that means running for about a week 18:08:28 <dihedral> but to be honest 18:08:39 <dihedral> i just updated to 0.5.1 18:08:47 <dihedral> and i have a client count at 423 18:09:23 <dihedral> so the 256 could be closer to the issue than the 2000 :-P 2000 really does not make that much sence 18:14:14 <Chrissicom> I can't get rid of this error 3>.\ottdres.rc(15) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open include file 'afxres.h'. :-( 18:14:19 <Chrissicom> the file is there though 18:14:30 <Chrissicom> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/a9d6a3ak(vs.80).aspx < done this, didn't help 18:16:17 <Chrissicom> it also can't be my NTFS permissions, I also get the error when allowing everyone full access 18:17:02 <Wolf01> i just saw the tv: in italy the theft of copper is very common, thieves cut the copper wires on the railroads too :P 18:17:10 <dihedral> some players also report that the key below esc does not open the console for them 18:17:31 <Zuu> dihedral: Depends on the keyboard-layout. 18:17:49 <Zuu> It is the ~ that does it. 18:18:01 <dihedral> Wolf01: you could add that do the list of disasteres... have a little italian run around the map and take some wires form the rails so the e-trains cannot run there anymore :-) 18:18:09 <Chrissicom> Shift+Key below Esc opens the console for me 18:18:16 <Chrissicom> (on German kayboard layout) 18:18:23 <Wolf01> that's what i was thinking :) 18:18:27 <dihedral> it does that form me to on german layout 18:18:40 <dihedral> on uk layout it's the backtick (`) 18:18:58 <dihedral> on the slovanian layout it does not seem to work with either 18:19:23 <Zuu> For me it works to use the ~ atleast which is on the button bellow "x". 18:19:24 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:19:39 <Maedhros> hi 18:19:44 <Wolf01> hello Maedhros 18:20:53 <Chrissicom> ok I fixed the RC1015 error by copying the afxres.h file from the PSDK dir to the ./VC/include dir 18:20:59 <Chrissicom> but now I got 64 new errors when linking lol 18:21:15 <Chrissicom> like this: 3>fontcache.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__RegCloseKey@4 18:21:27 <Chrissicom> I have no idea what causes this tho 18:21:44 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 18:21:44 <Sacro> !logs 18:22:04 <Wolf01> comment the lines that give you errors.. worked for me 18:22:08 * Wolf01 hides 18:22:11 <Rubidium> Chrissicom: have you followed the guideline on the wiki? 18:22:27 <Rubidium> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_Express <- that one to be precise 18:22:28 <Chrissicom> I did everything like it told me in the readme 18:22:43 <Chrissicom> I haven't read that wiki page tho *sorry* doing that now :) 18:24:42 <dihedral> Wolf01: now i know where all the new features are... 18:24:45 <dihedral> in the comments 18:24:56 <Wolf01> :) 18:26:19 <dihedral> so you backport a lot of comments Wolf01 ? 18:26:52 <Chrissicom> Rubidium: Just read the wiki and I have actually done all these steps. Downloaded the Source, Installed VC++ 2005 Express, Installed PSDK, Installed DX SDK, Setup Directories 18:27:03 <Chrissicom> it compiles fine until the linking errors occur 18:30:50 <Chrissicom> fontcache.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol __imp__RegCloseKey@4 < hmmm the file fontcache.obj doesn't seem to exist here 18:30:57 <Chrissicom> isn't it supposed to be in one of the packages? 18:31:10 <Rubidium> Chrissicom: do you probably don't have the latest openttd-usefull.zip 18:31:31 <Rubidium> s/do // 18:31:35 <Chrissicom> I downloaded the useful file 1.2 from sourceforge just a few hours ago, but I re-check if I clicked the wrong file 18:38:37 <Chrissicom> hmmm that doesn't fix it, there are 3 files missing 18:38:52 <Chrissicom> win32.obj, win32_v.obj and fontcache.obj 18:39:23 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 18:40:06 <Chrissicom> oh lol I just see these files aren't from the dev tool installation but reside in the ottd source code dir 18:40:20 <Chrissicom> then I don't know anymore what these linkage errors mean 18:43:53 <Rubidium> sounds like it doesn't compile those files when it should 18:45:24 <Chrissicom> http://ftp.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=544452&sid=539e527fb9dae1d226e4e8a072fbb9e1 < damn it I hate it when people write "Yeah I solved it." but don't say how 18:45:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:36 <Chrissicom> because this guy is having pretty much the same problem as me 18:45:42 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:50:21 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:50:21 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:11 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-240-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 18:52:24 <Chrissicom> hmmm I found some MSDN entry which tells me that __imp__ in front of the linker error means it's a problem with a dynamic link library 18:52:46 <Chrissicom> the OTTD Source compiles with the /MT switch tho shouldn't it be /MD when using dynamic instead of static libraries? 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to have trains you have to build a depot, is there something ssimilarfor planes? 19:21:49 <Wolf01> build an airport, there is the hangar 19:22:53 <mikegrb> ahh 19:23:05 <mikegrb> I was clicking on the airport in general, not the hangar 19:24:42 <Digitalfox[Home]> Since celestar changed the planes speed, i was wondering if an option could be introduced to chose between the old speed and the new one... 19:25:50 <peter1138> sure 19:25:52 <peter1138> go ahead 19:29:01 <Digitalfox[Home]> I would go ahead, but my knowledge of c and c++, is a big 0, so i have to wait for a spare time from a developer, and we all have a real life, so time is always little :) 19:29:33 <peter1138> if you don't try, you won't learn... 19:29:36 <Ammler> the new console command list_patches is cool, but is there something like list_patches | more? 19:30:51 <Wolf01> [21:29:36] <peter1138> if you don't try, you won't learn... 19:30:52 <Wolf01> i learnt :D 19:31:39 <dihedral> use shift+page up 19:32:10 <peter1138> gah, slow pc :/ 19:32:21 <peter1138> doing nothing and my loadavg is 0.50+ 19:32:53 <Ammler> dihedral: thx 19:33:15 <dihedral> :-) 19:33:24 <dihedral> but you cannot see the whole lsit 19:33:47 <dihedral> i find the wiki page on openttd.cfg very helpful here 19:33:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1e83b.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 19:34:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1e83b.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:34:48 <Ammler> yeah, but if you use a patched game, its more worse 19:35:20 <Belugas> Digitalfox[Home], it's true that Real Life his a big burden, but a good book of programming is a good start 19:35:30 <Belugas> there is much rewards when you start to understand stuff 19:36:07 <Belugas> not to the point of understanding Bjarni's stuff, but that's another story :P 19:36:59 <Digitalfox[Home]> Belugas: I am thinking on that, there are some patchs i would like to see in openttd.. But my real life is working in networks, so it's not easy to change my first priority that is learning more about networks :) 19:37:17 <Belugas> got a point... 19:37:51 <Belugas> but in the other end, lack of knowledge is worse than useless knowledge 19:38:01 <Belugas> you never know when you'll need it ;) 19:38:09 <peter1138> Digitalfox[Home]: beware the speed of taxiing ;/ 19:38:16 <yeti_> http://yeti.yefx.org/23052009.png <- help :) trains from SE did not arrive at sadston, even with weighpoints, they would loop around sadston heights an flonnley market heights forever 19:38:30 <yeti_> the extra track south of sadston heights solved it. why? 19:38:32 <Digitalfox[Home]> Well i do some web design so there is a little of understand from my part about how to code some stuff, but there are so many programming languages.. 19:38:57 <Belugas> my wife offered me a book on c++ along time ago (5 years i think) by mistake, she did not knew the difference between Delphi and c++. 19:38:59 <Chrissicom> There is no such thing as useless knowledge =) knowledge is power! 19:39:01 <Belugas> now, it servers 19:39:08 <yeti_> i dont think it's a signalling problem because trains went (and still go) ta sadston without problems, just the two new ones :( 19:39:55 <Digitalfox[Home]> peter1138: taxiing? What do you mean? 19:40:10 <peter1138> yeti_: hard to see anyuthing at that zoom level 19:40:26 <yeti_> peter, okay, i'll make a more detailed shot 19:41:09 <peter1138> Digitalfox[Home]: taxiing... when the plane moves from the runway to the terminal 19:41:14 <Digitalfox[Home]> Belugas: But you also got a point.. So what books should i start reading to able to understand openttd code? 19:41:26 <yeti_> http://yeti.yefx.org/23052009-2.png <- more detailed shot 19:41:39 <Digitalfox[Home]> peter1138: Oh, ok i see now.. 19:41:43 <Belugas> Digitalfox[Home] : start by an easy book on C programming 19:41:57 <Chrissicom> maybe try a nonstop order for the way back 19:42:06 *** elFarto [~stephen@cpc2-brig5-0-0-cust950.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:42:11 <Digitalfox[Home]> Belugas: But if openttd is now in c++ shouldn't i start there? 19:42:13 <Chrissicom> as they are forced to go through the train station which trains sometimes don't like 19:42:22 <Belugas> Digitalfox[Home]: openttd code is a bit complicated if you want to learn C/C++ out of it :P 19:42:37 <Belugas> Opentt id not fully C++, far form it 19:42:51 <Digitalfox[Home]> It's a mix of c and c++? 19:42:52 <Belugas> in fact, if is mostly C code compiled ion C++ 19:42:52 <glx> it's C with some C++ features 19:43:00 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-249.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:43:03 <Digitalfox[Home]> ok 19:43:04 <Belugas> hey glx :) 19:43:14 <dihedral> is anybody working on http://bugs.openttd.org/task/599 19:43:34 <Digitalfox[Home]> Going to a book store tomorrow, i hope i don't get a wrong book.. :| 19:43:34 <Belugas> and if you want to, you can start learning openttd code, but do it in small chunk 19:43:46 <peter1138> dihedral: not afaik 19:43:50 <dihedral> ok 19:43:50 <Belugas> i don't know what is available in portugal :) 19:43:53 <Belugas> cannot helop you there 19:43:58 <Maedhros> Digitalfox[Home]: you might be better off looking through libraries first 19:44:00 <dihedral> just curious because i asked someone to have a look at it 19:44:14 * peter1138 nods at Maedhros 19:44:17 <Digitalfox[Home]> Well i portugal most of technical books are in english, so ... 19:44:18 <Belugas> good point Maedhros. New books a re pretty expensive! 19:44:21 <Digitalfox[Home]> *in 19:44:54 <dihedral> New books are created a lot faster than new stations :-D 19:45:26 <Digitalfox[Home]> hum... Well i must say that technical books here in portugal at least for networks, are not much expensive, so for programming they should be equal in price 19:45:43 <Belugas> can't say :( 19:45:47 <Belugas> never touched networking 19:45:50 <Digitalfox[Home]> i'll take a look :) 19:45:54 <elFarto> hi everyone 19:46:02 <Belugas> hello 19:46:18 <Thomas[NL]> If you find a good book you can recommend I'd like to now which :) 19:46:30 <elFarto> can anyone give me some comments on my shiney new patch? 19:46:43 <elFarto> it's located here: http://elfarto.com/allow_replace_different_railtype.diff 19:47:16 * Belugas will in a few momentts 19:47:28 <elFarto> it (unsurprisingly) allows the the autoreplace dialog to replace say an electric with a monorail/maglev 19:47:36 <elFarto> engine 19:47:50 <elFarto> then lets you convert the depot with the trains still inside 19:47:50 <hylje> elFarto: how does that work? arent depots one (or two in case of elrail) railtype only? 19:48:13 <elFarto> hylje, it works coz the patch removes those checks :D 19:48:28 <peter1138> :o 19:48:31 <hylje> what happens when you start an incompatible train in the depot? 19:48:36 <elFarto> becuase i couldn't bare the pain of upgrading my network from elrail to maglev 19:48:50 <elFarto> it doesn't start, it complains about "No Power" 19:48:54 <peter1138> solution: don't upgrade it :D 19:48:59 <Belugas> elFarto : src/players.cpp : please use tabs instead of spaces 19:49:02 <hylje> so it might actually work 19:49:06 <elFarto> peter1138, but but...:P 19:49:07 <hylje> i'd have this in trunk 19:49:25 <elFarto> damn it, i made sure to turn that off in vim too :( 19:50:36 <elFarto> there are a couple of problems with the patch 19:50:59 <elFarto> afaik, it doesn't upgrade the wagons, but they still work on the new railtype 19:51:13 <hylje> wagon upgdare 19:51:20 <hylje> gah 19:52:28 <Belugas> hehehe... i jusst imagine the comments : a lot of "Cool!", of "Bravo!" and the inevitable "It's not like taht in Real Life!" 19:53:32 <hylje> undocumented feature 19:53:41 <hylje> people arent going to try that by themselves 19:54:37 <elFarto> i'd rather have an easy way to upgrade a network rather than total realism 19:55:40 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:55:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:55:59 <Belugas> code style wise, apart from what i told you, it looks clean. 19:56:10 <elFarto> ok, i've fixed that 19:56:30 <Belugas> code wise, dunno, i don't have my stuff around nor do i know enough about rail conversion, to be honest 19:56:56 <Maedhros> imho, the possibility of running wagons on tracks that should be incompatible is a showstopper 19:57:05 <Belugas> feature wise, although the idea is good, a lot of people claim the game is too easy. 19:57:08 <elFarto> it doesn't work Maedhros 19:57:23 <elFarto> the train can't be started 19:57:27 <Maedhros> ah, ok 19:57:54 <Sacro> but what about attaching maglev wagons to a monorail train? 19:58:01 <Belugas> but do you really upgrade the rails? 19:58:12 <Belugas> no, you just let the trains run on them, right? 19:58:31 <elFarto> wagons are another thing 19:59:11 <elFarto> all my patch does is allow the auto-replace to convert to engines that are not of the same railtype 19:59:23 <elFarto> it also lets you convert a depot when there are trains inside 19:59:35 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:59:43 <dihedral> have another player reporting ~ to not open the console on US keyboard 19:59:52 <dihedral> and only since 0.5.1RC1 20:00:40 <Belugas> elFarto : how? all i see is just some conditions been overriden by your setting 20:00:55 <Belugas> told you i don't knwo the rail code well enough ;) 20:01:11 <elFarto> well, overriding those conditions lets you :) 20:01:48 *** io]nowhere [~bla@ip54576152.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:56 <io]nowhere> hi 20:01:58 <elFarto> pfft, i hadn't even looked at openttd code till yesterday night :) 20:02:06 *** io]nowhere is now known as nowhere 20:02:25 <elFarto> so i went "right, what needs to be commented out for my life to be easy" :) 20:02:31 <dihedral> lol 20:02:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1e83b.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 20:02:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1e83b.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:08 <nowhere> is there a known bug causing console to be no longer opened via keyboard? 20:04:32 <elFarto> hmm, maybe the wagons are going to be a problem... 20:04:52 <nowhere> started after installing 0.5.1-RC2 20:05:07 <DaleStan> nowhere: I'm not familiar with such, but that means approximately nothing. Check http://bugs.openttd.org. 20:05:28 <nowhere> I heard others were having the same 20:06:17 <nowhere> I noticed there have been some console improvements, maybe it's related. 20:09:56 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:10:00 <elFarto> actually, wagons won't be a problem, if the user has a issue with running elrail wagons on maglev, they can just replace them at the same time as the engines 20:10:38 * elFarto < lazy developer 20:16:21 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:21 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DD35.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:14 <Belugas> Digitalfox[Home] : try to get your hand on "The C++ Programming Language" by Bjarne Stroustrup. a good one 20:20:29 <Digitalfox[Home]> Belugas: Ok, will try :) 20:20:52 <Digitalfox[Home]> I don't know exactly what's in the market here in portugal 20:20:53 <Belugas> that's the guy who wrote c++, so it might be good :D 20:20:57 <Digitalfox[Home]> oh 20:20:59 <Digitalfox[Home]> nice 20:21:17 <Digitalfox[Home]> thak you :) 20:21:23 <Digitalfox[Home]> ops.. Thank you 20:21:26 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:40 <peter1138> not to be confused with bjarni 20:21:48 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:56 <hylje> speaking of confusion, http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1177358689306.jpg 20:21:59 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:27 <elFarto> my favourite comment about C++: "C++: an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog" 20:23:10 <elFarto> hylje, wtf? 20:24:00 <hylje> i dont know 20:24:30 <Belugas> mine : "Discusting... all those members" 20:25:00 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:04 <elFarto> give me Java any day of the week :) 20:25:13 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:53 <Belugas> give me Delphi any day of the week 20:26:59 <Belugas> oups... i already have that :P 20:27:06 <hylje> i has python 20:27:10 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-124-12.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:24 <Chrissicom> what about Haskell ;) 20:27:41 <elFarto> Chrissicom, sane languages only 20:27:50 <Chrissicom> *g* 20:27:50 <Belugas> Basic Objects? 20:27:52 <Chrissicom> While ? 20:28:04 <elFarto> brainfuck :) 20:29:45 <Wolf01> whitespace is teh best 20:29:53 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 20:29:56 <Wolf01> specially when you print the sources 20:30:07 <elFarto> :D 20:30:49 <Wolf01> night boys 20:30:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host231-235-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:33:49 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-62-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34:31 <Ailure> [22:20] <hylje> speaking of confusion, http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1177358689306.jpg 20:34:36 <Ailure> all I can say is 20:34:37 <Ailure> wut 20:35:12 *** antichaos [~IceChat7@host86-132-124-12.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Never put off till tomorrow, what you can do the day after tomorrow] 20:36:17 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:50 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:50 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:27 <peter1138> Ailure: wut!? 20:40:37 <hylje> lol wut? 20:42:22 <Belugas> good night, going home 20:42:49 <peter1138> nini 20:43:44 <Maedhros> night Belugas 20:43:57 <elFarto> night 20:45:09 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 20:48:25 <Chrissicom> gnight :) 20:49:58 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54b80e9f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:32 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B8209F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:54:24 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:29 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:38 <Chrissicom> good night from me too 20:56:04 *** Chrissicom [~Chris@p579E1FB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh] 20:58:24 <Maedhros> and me, good night 20:58:25 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096603617.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 20:58:37 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-233-235.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:02:33 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb4351.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:53 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:04:24 *** egladil [~egladil@duregladil.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 21:05:38 <elFarto> and good night from me, too! :) 21:05:41 *** elFarto [~stephen@cpc2-brig5-0-0-cust950.brig.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:06:32 <Sacro> it should be "and a good night from him" 21:10:19 *** xyz [~ss@bas2-montreal02-1096603617.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 21:11:22 <HMage> anyone knows how can I add a case via webtranslator ui? 21:12:50 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:07 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:17:24 <glx> HMage: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/WebTranslator2:Add_stringcase 21:18:18 <HMage> thanks, glx 21:20:11 <HMage> what if I want to change the list of available cases or rename them? 21:20:49 <glx> dunno, ask MiHaMiX 21:21:14 <glx> my language doesn't need cases :) 21:21:29 <HMage> we have 6 cases in russian 21:21:37 <glx> I know that :) 21:21:45 <HMage> :) 21:21:56 <glx> and 32 letters ;) 21:22:15 <HMage> 2^5 :) 21:26:48 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:51 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:42:34 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:42:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:42:55 <Bjarni> hi channel 21:43:19 <Sacro> Hello Bjarni 21:43:50 <Bjarni> did I miss anything? 21:43:54 <Bjarni> !seen anything 21:43:54 <_42_> Bjarni, anything? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember anything. 21:44:03 <Bjarni> I guess not 21:44:31 <Bjarni> actually that's quite an answer from _42_... I didn't plan that one :D 21:46:39 <Bjarni> looks like nothing goes on right now :s 21:46:58 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:47:20 <Bjarni> ... 21:47:24 <Bjarni> bye _42_ 21:48:32 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:48:41 <peter1138> hello bjarni 21:48:49 *** DorpsGek [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 21:48:54 <peter1138> fancy looking into the clone/refit bug? 21:50:19 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:13 <yeti_> another beginner's question: the faster you deliver your cargo, the more money you get. is the delivery time counted from when the train leaves the station or from when it begins loading? 21:51:40 <yeti_> i.e. is there any sense in setting trains to "full load" or not? 21:53:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, yes, the loading time count, and yes, "full load" makes sense for most cargos 21:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> because while the train waits you get better station rating, so the industry produces more cargo overall 21:54:52 <HMage> does the time start to count since cargo gets loaded or when train exits the station? 21:55:00 <yeti_> so in general use full load for coal, iron ore, etc, but not for passengers, right? 21:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, that is usually a good rule 21:55:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> passengers lose a lot of value fast 21:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> while coal loses value only slowly 21:56:37 <yeti_> now i see why there are stations with that many tracks on some screenshots :) 21:56:53 <yeti_> can i use any map size or do i have to use powers of 2? 21:57:05 <glx> powers of 2 21:57:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> maps are always powers of 2, the values in the cfg denote the powers, not the actual size 21:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> so if map_x = 8, you get a 2^8 wide 21:59:38 <yeti_> okay, thank you :) 22:00:12 <Bjarni> <peter1138> fancy looking into the clone/refit bug? <-- yes, but not right now. It's kind of late :s 22:00:17 <Bjarni> remind me tomorrow 22:03:19 <HMage> Trying to fill this into webtranslator: "{WHITE}{COMPANY} - {COMMA} ?????{P 2 ?? ?? ??}", this works in OpenTTD, and doesn't if I don't put 2 after P, but webtranslator tells me that there's an error. :( 22:05:26 <peter1138> wt2 is buggy then 22:05:46 <peter1138> but openttd is buggy too, it should work without the 2 22:07:48 <HMage> yeah 22:08:27 <HMage> shame the proper plural won't work there, it will be a strain for the eye 22:09:01 <Bjarni> remember the name of this string 22:09:11 <Bjarni> eventually the problem will be solved 22:09:15 <Bjarni> also post a bug report 22:10:54 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab86.tln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 22:12:32 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:12:45 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:38 <HMage> Bjarni: for wt2 or for ottd? 22:14:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1e83b.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:11 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab86.tln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 22:19:46 <peter1138> Bjarni: there's already a report 22:19:58 <Bjarni> then don't post another one ;) 22:22:11 <Naksu> running out of spacebucks sucks 22:23:11 <Bjarni> running out of any kind of bucks sucks 22:23:39 <Bjarni> money will not make you happy by itself, but it sure helps ;) 22:25:52 <Naksu> whoops, wrong channel 22:27:11 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:30 <jordi> oi people 22:27:47 <Bjarni> people? 22:27:52 <Bjarni> there are people here? 22:28:01 <Bjarni> I thought it was a geek only channel :( 22:28:56 <HMage> Bjarni: oops, I just did 22:29:26 <Bjarni> heh 22:29:30 <jordi> blathijs: done! 22:29:41 <Bjarni> I will not kill people for reporting bugs 22:29:48 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-144-162.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 22:30:08 <Bjarni> specially not when I tell them to do so (even though it turns out to be duplicates) 22:30:36 <jordi> okay, 0.5.1 just uploaded to Debian 22:30:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-155-10.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:15 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-240-028.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 22:31:15 <ln-> Bjarni, do you know about Carbon? 22:31:30 <Bjarni> not much 22:31:34 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-144-162.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-155-10.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:31:52 <Sionide> we are made from it...? 22:31:56 <ln-> I'd like to enable "click-through" for some buttons, but I'm having difficulties finding information on how to do that. 22:32:09 <ln-> (completely off-topic, I know) 22:32:25 <Bjarni> are you making some sort of GUI with Xcode? 22:33:21 <ln-> i'm using wxWidgets which then uses Carbon. 22:33:36 <Bjarni> well, I tried to do that once... and the result told me that I'm not the right person to ask :p 22:33:48 <Bjarni> I never figured out how to make the code aware of click events 22:34:03 <glx> wxwidgets should handle that for you 22:34:20 <Bjarni> didn't try extremely hard though. When I had problems setting it up, I went for the CLI solution instead 22:35:43 <Bjarni> glx: most likely, but Xcode aren't that tricky to use either. I just didn't try very hard on it 22:36:19 <Bjarni> my need was virtually not there since I know how to use CLI apps and make them 22:36:46 <glx> wxwidgets is a cross-platform GUI framework :) 22:37:01 <Bjarni> I know 22:37:40 <Bjarni> cross platform is nice if you plan on porting your app. If you plan on using it locally only on one system only, then cross platform isn't an issue 22:39:46 <Bjarni> but it could indicate that if you should learn only one system, the cross platform one could be the way to go 22:42:37 <glx> even without porting app, it's easier to code for win32 using wxwidgets than using win32 api directly 23:02:44 <yeti_> good night everybody 23:02:59 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493d080.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: 'Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?'] 23:06:53 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:06:55 *** hylje [hylje@c214.myrootshell.com] has joined #openttd 23:11:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:28:22 *** rane_ [~rane@a91-152-163-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:28:27 *** rane [~rane@a91-152-163-231.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:32:47 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:41:53 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-181-227.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 23:47:54 *** Szandor [~user@host-84-9-128-102.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 23:54:39 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.205.114] has joined #openttd