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00:00:02 <mikk36> no 3dsmax nor games for *nix :) 00:00:36 <mikk36> otherwise i'd be in *nix... 00:00:41 <TheJosh> sorry I cant help much then. I guess you would get the latest from svn, apply my patch (i dont know of a windows tool that can do this, but they probably exist) and then compile (visual c++ ??) 00:00:41 <mikk36> propably using gentoo :P 00:01:17 <mikk36> well, i aint going to try it out :) 00:01:31 <TheJosh> im on debian 4.0 (sarge) at the moment, and i have a gentoo machine as well and a slackware server (and another slackware server at my church) 00:03:28 <mikk36> :) 00:04:07 <TheJosh> gotta love remote access. im working on the slackware server at my church right as we speak 00:04:11 <mikk36> i have my xp, then server 2003 on a serverhost (server-housing) 00:04:24 <TheJosh> and worrying because my gentoo box has just had a harddrive failure 00:04:31 <mikk36> hehe 00:04:44 <mikk36> i had one failure too about a week ago :P 00:04:50 <mikk36> or rather 1.5 00:04:52 <Tefad> . . . 00:05:02 <mikk36> mechanics gave up 00:05:16 <mikk36> about a month and a half after buying it 00:05:27 <Tefad> i'm remote accessing my server right now, to IRC from. 00:05:35 <Tefad> it, however, is also under my desk 00:05:43 <TheJosh> i think its hdd failure. disks are old (2x 4gig) and now it cant read the reiser partition 00:05:55 <Tefad> but i can access it from anywhere, which is convenient 00:05:56 <mikk36> lost almost 150 gigs of movies, series and cd/dvd images :P 00:06:03 <TheJosh> gee 00:06:15 <TheJosh> i need some not 6 year old disks 00:06:20 <mikk36> heh 00:06:21 <mikk36> erm 00:06:29 <mikk36> hmm 00:06:30 <Tefad> i refuse to use maxtor for a while 00:06:30 <TheJosh> oh well, ill put them on the 'to shoot' pile 00:06:35 <mikk36> lemme check it's manufacturing time 00:06:51 <mikk36> 5 Apr 95 :) 00:06:56 <mikk36> still working nicely 00:07:02 <Tefad> heh, i have some disks like that 00:07:07 <mikk36> WD Caviar 1425 00:07:15 <mikk36> 426.8MB xD 00:07:15 <Tefad> i think most of my machine's root FS is one some tiny disk 00:07:34 <Tefad> machines' root FSs. meh 00:07:35 <mikk36> the only reason i don't use it in my router is that it's loud as hell 00:07:55 <Tefad> so spin it down after bootup? 00:07:57 <TheJosh> disk didnt fail 00:08:10 <mikk36> Tefad, no can do 00:08:18 <TheJosh> power cord had come partially out, reiser is now self-repairing (i love reiser) 00:08:20 <mikk36> pfsense writes data constantly to hdd 00:08:27 <Tefad> what is your router doing?.. blah 00:08:39 <Tefad> make it write to ramdisk and sync once per day or something 00:08:55 <mikk36> m0n0wall can stop it, because it doesn't log etc... 00:09:01 <Tefad> or hell, usb flash drives are cheap enough 00:09:04 <mikk36> but then again, i like when stuff gets logged 00:09:08 <mikk36> latency, speed etc data 00:09:21 <mikk36> up to 1 year back or so 00:09:24 <Digitalfox[Home]> mikk36: I know what is to lost a hdd that you use for data, like movies, music, games, tv-series, documents, etc.. I lost a 160x2 RAID-0 = 320GB of data 2 years ago... Or on other words i lost everything i was collecting for 6 years 00:09:25 <mikk36> on graphics 00:09:34 <Tefad> i think 1GB flashdisk is US pretty much anywhere 00:09:49 <mikk36> Digitalfox[Home], that drive was in raid0 :) 00:09:56 <Tefad> Digitalfox[Home]: RAID-0 is a bad idea. 00:09:56 <mikk36> 200+200GB 00:10:23 <mikk36> but it unpacked and copied data fast as hell :P 00:10:33 <Tefad> 0+1 FTW. 00:10:41 <mikk36> true :) 00:10:55 *** KUDr_ [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:01 <mikk36> luckily i've restored most of the data i lost 00:11:01 <Tefad> or 5 00:11:04 <mikk36> from friends etc 00:11:18 <Tefad> 5 sucks for writing little pieces all over the place though (eg fast torrents) 00:11:21 <Digitalfox[Home]> Raid = 0 is not a bad idea, the problem was a hardware failure of the 2 disks... I received 2 new discs for that problem from + seagate also send me another 2 other discs has compensation.. So i lost the data and receive 4 new disks 00:11:48 <Tefad> RAID 0 goes down with a single failure. 00:11:54 <mikk36> yup 00:12:09 <Tefad> it doesn't matter if both failed or not.. 00:12:14 <TheJosh> the trick to raid 0 is good disks. disks are good for about 2 years 00:12:16 <Digitalfox[Home]> Tefad: Yes, but it was in my case the 2 disks that failed.. 00:12:27 <Tefad> positive both failed and not just one? 00:12:31 <Digitalfox[Home]> yes 00:12:33 <mikk36> heh 00:12:34 <Tefad> the FS gets corrupted if either die 00:12:37 <mikk36> lucky one :P 00:12:48 <TheJosh> you can do just about anthing with a disk in the first 2 years 00:12:56 <Digitalfox[Home]> well i did win 4 new 200 GB disks from segate.. 00:13:07 <Tefad> heh 00:13:10 <TheJosh> any serious web/serving company ditches there disks every 2 years 00:13:26 <Tefad> if they're using craptastic IDE, then yes 00:13:35 <mikk36> well, if a disk last, it will last long 00:13:37 <Tefad> quite a few SCSI disks have a giant MTBF 00:13:41 <mikk36> if a disk lasts* 00:13:51 <TheJosh> good point 00:14:21 <mikk36> if it's a bad one, it will fail quickly under big loads for long times 00:14:22 <Tefad> also RAID 5 or 6 with reserve disks are extremely reliable 00:14:23 <TheJosh> when i get a new server im going to get probably 4 sata 320gig disks 00:14:38 <mikk36> still 320 ? 00:14:54 <TheJosh> 320 has about the best price per gig at the moment 00:15:15 <mikk36> hmm 00:15:16 <Tefad> i remember when my 1.6GB was 0 00:15:22 <TheJosh> the 500s are still too much per gig 00:15:27 <mikk36> 1245/320 = 00:15:51 <mikk36> yup, ok 00:15:52 <TheJosh> what is 1245? 00:15:56 <mikk36> eek's 00:16:06 <mikk36> 1730/400 00:16:16 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:48 <mikk36> strangely, 320 ones have dropped a lot 00:17:09 <Digitalfox[Home]> My next upgrade, will be with 1 Terabyte disks on a raid 0 :) 00:17:24 <Tefad> asking for failure again ; ) 00:17:25 <mikk36> 1245 EEK is 79.6 00:17:56 <Digitalfox[Home]> But I'll wait a bit longer, waiting for the technology to age 00:18:05 <mikk36> one more thing 00:18:11 <mikk36> TheJosh, where do u live ? 00:18:14 <mikk36> EU or US ? 00:18:35 <TheJosh> Australia 00:18:40 <mikk36> ok 00:18:53 <mikk36> there aren't those damn EU taxes :P 00:19:06 <TheJosh> 1 Australian dollar = 0.8282 U.S. dollars 00:19:30 <TheJosh> wow our dollar has risen a few cents...cool 00:19:33 <mikk36> lol 00:19:48 <mikk36> and how much is the cheapest 320GB Seagate 7200.10 offer ? 00:19:51 <TheJosh> 1 Estonian kroon = 0.087092841 U.S. dollars 00:19:54 <mikk36> SATA ofc 00:19:58 <Tefad> more like the US is dropping. 00:20:16 <TheJosh> ill check 00:20:30 <TheJosh> 1 Euro = 1.3627 U.S. dollars 00:20:52 <Sacro> whats it to £? 00:20:54 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:21:05 <mikk36> 104USD is the cheapest here 00:21:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 00:21:20 <mikk36> Sacro, use google 00:21:22 <mikk36> :P 00:21:23 <Sacro> mmm, 00:21:25 <mikk36> and it's calculator 00:21:27 <Sacro> dropped to .9951 00:21:32 <TheJosh> type 'pound' into google 00:21:44 <Sacro> i just do "1 £ in $" 00:21:45 <mikk36> 1 usd in gbp 00:21:48 <mikk36> :P 00:22:00 <TheJosh> 5 for a segate 320gig 16meg cache sata-ii 00:22:11 <TheJosh> although i will probably go WD 00:22:11 <mikk36> AUD or USD ? 00:22:14 <TheJosh> AUD 00:22:33 <mikk36> so it's even more expensive there ? :D 00:22:34 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [] 00:22:38 <mikk36> heh 00:22:49 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 00:22:58 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [] 00:23:13 <TheJosh> thats a good one though (sataII and 16meg cache) 00:23:46 <Tefad> sataII isn't the correct term 00:23:54 <mikk36> http://www.arvutikeskus.com/item.php?id=70220 00:24:06 <TheJosh> but for only 5AUD i can get the top-of-the-line western digital 320gig one 00:24:13 <mikk36> 1201 EEK ~ 104USD 00:24:16 <TheJosh> i know sataII is wrong but its easier to say 00:24:44 <mikk36> and that's a WD one 00:24:45 <mikk36> http://www.arvutikeskus.com/item.php?id=76684 00:24:57 <mikk36> 3USD difference :P 00:25:06 <Tefad> sata 3Gbps eh? 00:25:13 <mikk36> 300Mbps 00:25:13 <Tefad> SATA-300 00:25:15 <Tefad> : D 00:25:16 <mikk36> MBps 00:25:17 <TheJosh> http://www.getright.com.au/v2006ver1/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=530&category_id=204&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=26 00:25:24 <Tefad> it's 3Gbps. 00:25:27 <mikk36> nope 00:25:30 <Tefad> yes. 00:25:32 <mikk36> it's 300MBps 00:25:34 <Tefad> no. 00:25:37 <mikk36> yes 00:25:39 <Tefad> no. 00:25:48 <Tefad> 3Gbps of raw data rate. 00:25:56 <mikk36> ahh damn 00:26:07 <Tefad> actual file throughput is something like 250MB/s burst 00:26:38 <Tefad> and disks don't even go that fast yet.. i think the fastest now is still less than 90MB/s sustained. 00:26:46 <mikk36> yup 00:26:49 <mikk36> also 00:27:00 <TheJosh> That disk has a 5 year warranty, thats the bit i like (for my server) 00:27:11 <mikk36> Sata150 is 1.5Gbps but max transfer is 150MBps 00:27:24 <Tefad> also failure again 00:27:26 <mikk36> overhead 00:27:34 <Tefad> 1.5Gbps or about 125MB/s 00:27:43 <mikk36> Taking into account 8b10b coding overhead, the actual uncoded transfer-rate is 1.2 Gbit/s, or 150 megabytes per second (MB/s). 00:27:49 <mikk36> ;) 00:27:52 <Tefad> and remember there's some loss when converting from bandwidth to transfer speed. 00:27:59 <mikk36> see ? :D 00:28:37 <Tefad> there's also protocol overhead 00:28:53 <mikk36> yes 00:29:07 <Tefad> in any event, it is a giant mess for terminology. 00:29:13 <mikk36> but the actual max transfer speed (including overhead) is still 150/300MB/s 00:29:28 <Tefad> using bytes is misleading 00:29:45 <mikk36> it's what you get out of it 00:29:47 <Tefad> bytes generally relate to file transfer rates 00:30:36 <Tefad> i cannot count how many times people get it screwed up for network bandwidth measurements and file throughput.... 00:30:48 <mikk36> that is a different story 00:30:52 <Tefad> not really 00:31:02 <mikk36> here it's that 8b10b thingie 00:31:10 <Tefad> gigabit ethernet uses the same 8b10b. 00:31:17 <Digitalfox[Home]> So with RAID-0 and 2 Disks SATA 2, You almost get 200MB of speed/s 00:31:25 <TheJosh> i dont care too much what the numbers are, as long as the throughput is high and the seek is low 00:31:27 <mikk36> Digitalfox[Home], nope 00:31:40 <mikk36> your first would have to get a disk that would do 100MB/s alone 00:31:41 <Digitalfox[Home]> mikk36: No? 00:31:46 <Tefad> 164MB/s approx. 00:31:48 <mikk36> which does not exist yet 00:31:54 <Tefad> at peak. 00:32:03 <Tefad> average will probably be something around 100MB/s 00:32:11 <mikk36> with sata1 and usual disks i got 90MB/s 00:32:12 <Tefad> still pretty fast. 00:32:18 <Digitalfox[Home]> Hum... Ok.. 00:32:30 <Tefad> sata-300 doesn't offer much at the moment 00:32:47 <Tefad> but with sataII enhancements, users can connect more than one drive to a channel 00:33:00 <mikk36> enhancements ? 00:33:03 <Tefad> eSATA will be useful too. 00:33:13 <TheJosh> and there is also sata native queing 00:33:21 <mikk36> aka NCQ 00:33:35 <mikk36> native command queueing 00:33:45 <Tefad> NCQ doesn't improve single file performance if disk is defragmented 00:33:52 <Tefad> it can actually hinder performance slightly ; ) 00:34:03 <mikk36> defragmentation is never good 00:34:09 <Tefad> but in general NCQ is advantageous 00:34:17 <mikk36> and can never be fighted without defragmenting the drive 00:34:24 <Tefad> defragmentation on near-full disks is unavoidable 00:34:25 <mikk36> fought* 00:34:39 <TheJosh> dont you mean fragmentation 00:34:40 <mikk36> well, then just don't fill it up that much 00:34:44 <Tefad> yup. 00:35:04 <Tefad> also age of the filesystem affects fragmentation 00:35:11 <Tefad> appending to files, etc. 00:35:21 <TheJosh> although ext3 self-defragments (i dont know about reiser) 00:35:31 <Tefad> i don't think any file system self-defragments 00:35:36 <mikk36> isn't that in every partition in linux ? 00:35:36 <TheJosh> juts by design (because of the file cache 00:35:43 <mikk36> a feature of the kernel 00:35:47 <Tefad> ext3 avoids fragmenting.. 00:35:52 <Tefad> ext3 is slow as hell though 00:35:59 <Tefad> NTFS-3g even outperforms it. 00:36:05 <Tefad> (that is, NTFS on linux) 00:36:13 <mikk36> yup 00:36:21 <Tefad> it is possible to use NTFS as your root and boot disk in linux now. 00:36:23 <TheJosh> me, i like reiser. cant wait for reiser4 00:36:29 <mikk36> heh 00:36:33 <mikk36> for some reason 00:36:37 <Tefad> isn't reiser in jail 00:36:38 <mikk36> suse dropped using reiser 00:36:38 <TheJosh> does grub support ntfs? 00:36:43 <mikk36> and now defaults back to ext2 00:36:46 <Tefad> doesn't need to 00:37:00 <Sacro> no, it doesn't 00:37:04 <TheJosh> how can you boot a ntfs partition then? 00:37:06 <Sacro> you'd have to use an alternate bootloader 00:37:06 <Tefad> ntfs supports the hooks that grub uses to find block offsets. 00:37:14 <mikk36> chainload to windows' boot loader 00:37:19 <Tefad> do what? 00:37:32 <Sacro> you could have an ext3 /boot 00:37:35 <mikk36> grub forwards booting to windows' boot loader 00:37:38 <Sacro> but have / as ntfs 00:37:39 <mikk36> to boot windows 00:37:42 <Tefad> no. 00:37:43 <TheJosh> i usually bave a small (< 30meg) boot partition thats ext2 so anything can read it 00:37:50 <Tefad> i'm saying use NTFS as linux root file system 00:37:55 <Tefad> TheJosh: me too 00:37:57 <mikk36> u can't i guess 00:38:04 <Tefad> oh, and boot file system 00:38:21 <TheJosh> i try to keep my systems compadible so i can restore them easier 00:38:23 <mikk36> though, using ext2 for windows is possible :P 00:38:37 <mikk36> using hacks 00:38:38 <TheJosh> you can boot any of my systems using a vanilla kernel 00:38:57 <Tefad> booting from NTFS is pretty straightforward 00:39:03 <Tefad> but using it for root requires initrd. 00:39:13 <Tefad> since NTFS-3g is started in userspace. 00:39:30 <mikk36> anyway 00:39:35 <mikk36> i'll return to 3d now 00:39:40 <Tefad> however if you boot from evms, you're using an initrd anyway 00:40:14 <TheJosh> i guess if you wanted to be really compadible you would use vfat for your /boot 00:40:30 <TheJosh> then you could repair linux from a win98 boot disk 00:40:50 <Tefad> heh, is that possible? : x 00:41:02 <TheJosh> yeah, grub can read vfat i think 00:41:06 <Tefad> i use an ultimate boot cd for generic repairs 00:41:29 <Tefad> if i know i'm going to fix a linux box, i usually use some linux install/live cd 00:41:30 <TheJosh> basically if your bootloader can read it, you can use it 00:41:39 <Tefad> you mean the booloader writer 00:41:41 <TheJosh> me too, i have a LFS cd that I use 00:41:43 <Tefad> bootloader 00:42:08 <TheJosh> depends where you put the bootloader. i usually install grub to the MBR 00:42:37 <Tefad> usually bootloaders don't even bother with filesystems.. they just have a chunk of blocks in a predefined location of the disk and works from there. 00:43:14 <TheJosh> but grub is a bit different, its like a mini os. my favourite feature of it is the command line (with tab completion!) 00:43:16 <Tefad> the OS is what has filesystem drivers 00:43:22 <Tefad> ah 00:43:26 <Tefad> this is why i don't use grub ; ) 00:43:37 <TheJosh> grub also has a menu 00:43:51 <Tefad> lilo can be configured in interesting ways too 00:44:00 <TheJosh> but press 'c' and you have a command line that you can use to boot just about anything (if you know the commands) 00:45:51 <TheJosh> i have winxp on a secondary hard disk, but windows can boot from secondary disks, but grub has a feature that virtually swaps the disks, so in my grub.conf i have, under the windowsxp menu item, swap (hd1) (hd0), before the lines that make windows boot 00:46:30 <Tefad> (i don't use windows, so most of this doesn't mean anything to me) 00:47:03 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@82.152.205.114] has joined #openttd 00:47:07 <TheJosh> i usually dont, its there for movie maker 00:47:08 <Tefad> NTFS-3G is in active development and is even regarded as Stable 00:47:17 <Tefad> is that for transcoding? 00:47:36 <TheJosh> no i make movies your our church youth group, promotional videos, etc 00:47:53 <Tefad> ah. my friend was poking around with cinerella the other day 00:47:59 <Tefad> it exploded promptly. 00:48:09 <TheJosh> lol 00:48:33 <mikk36> cinerella ? 00:48:46 <Tefad> non-linear video editing 00:48:49 <Tefad> open source 00:48:53 <mikk36> k 00:49:10 <mikk36> and what does that "non-linear" mean ? 00:49:18 <mikk36> groovy ? 00:49:30 <Tefad> it means you can overlap segments and the like 00:49:49 <TheJosh> cool 00:49:51 <Tefad> do rotations/effects bla bla bla 00:50:01 <TheJosh> im going to check it out now 00:50:13 <mikk36> aint that usual stuff in most video editing tools ? 00:50:22 <mikk36> usually called effects 00:50:36 <Tefad> i think most video editing tools are non-linear 00:50:41 <mikk36> :) 00:50:45 <Tefad> the ones i use involve optimizing encoding 00:50:49 <Tefad> and they're quite linear 00:50:56 <Tefad> most of them are command line based. 00:51:00 <mikk36> well, encoding can be done using basic tools 00:51:05 <mikk36> for which i prefer virtualdub 00:51:11 <Tefad> those are linear editors. 00:51:14 <mikk36> yes 00:51:21 <Tefad> now you understand 00:51:26 <TheJosh> i like command line, except for a few things 00:51:47 <Tefad> webbrowsing.. media editing... 00:51:52 <TheJosh> basically 00:51:53 <mikk36> i'd prefer to call cinerella a video studio then :) 00:51:58 <Tefad> most things that involve only text.. i use CLI for 00:52:10 <TheJosh> i know people who hate vi, but i like vi 00:52:15 <mikk36> :) 00:52:15 <Tefad> i hate vi ; ) 00:52:20 <Tefad> i hate emacs 00:52:20 <TheJosh> although if i have a gui i use it, im not crazy 00:52:20 <mikk36> i don't hate vi 00:52:27 <mikk36> i just don't use it if i can use smth else 00:52:35 <TheJosh> actually vi drives my crazy, i like vim 00:52:37 <Tefad> i've not met a text editor that i could say i like. 00:52:45 <mikk36> i like nano :) 00:52:46 <Tefad> in windows, i use crimson editor 00:53:00 <TheJosh> just make one (yate: yet another text editor) 00:53:05 <Tefad> i like its column mode. 00:53:31 <Tefad> i don't dislike joe enough to make my own. 00:53:49 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.205.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:02 <TheJosh> vim all the way 00:54:03 <Tefad> and the only reason i don't like joe much is because i've not bothered to learn how to configure it via file. 00:54:23 <Tefad> i like joe.. i can use shift+arrows to make text selections. 00:54:59 <Tefad> but it doesn't seem to work when i'm using a text-mode console. 00:55:04 <TheJosh> i only know how to do about 5 things with vim (save, quit, and regex 00:55:13 <Tefad> more than i 00:55:37 <Tefad> !q or wq 00:56:12 <TheJosh> :w for save :q for quit :q! for quit without save / for regex 00:56:27 <TheJosh> n for next regex match 00:57:03 <Tefad> sounds like less ; ) 01:02:27 <TheJosh> me h im off 01:02:30 <TheJosh> cya round 01:02:32 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-6-28.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 01:12:10 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 01:20:15 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 01:23:59 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:59 *** Ben_1 is now known as _Ben_ 01:31:24 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7683C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:19 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.205.114] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:50 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76AC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:57 <Digitalfox[Home]> Can anybody explain me, what does "Fund local road reconstruction" Does besides making my buses become crazy traped in roads with holes?? I mean what does it really for you? 01:50:55 <HMage`> I suspect it is a way to disrupt bus service for competitor's town 02:02:44 <Digitalfox[Home]> And that's the only real benefict? Nothing more, like town rating going up or anything? 02:07:31 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0D6F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:11:19 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57a0df62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:17:12 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:21:53 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:58 <Phazorx> is there a way in openttd to take ascreenshot of whole map? 02:58:59 *** HMage` [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:12:25 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:23:55 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-162-016.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:29:21 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-136-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:29:35 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 04:02:11 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489f39a.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:06:03 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl10-66-174.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 04:12:58 <mikk36> Phazorx, giant screenshot 04:15:08 <Phazorx> that is not really a map 04:15:21 <Phazorx> hard to deal with 65Kx32K screenshot anyway 04:17:27 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:49:12 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 05:01:07 <ln-> mikk36: http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/200705016054874_uu.shtml 05:01:21 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:02:37 <mikk36> sry, i don't understand finnish 05:05:04 <ln-> those men say they were arrested for more than 8 hours beaten by the police for no reason, just for entertainment. 05:06:31 <Phazorx> must be really boring there... no TV in finland? 05:07:00 <mikk36> 8 hours is 1/6 of the limit of 48 05:07:51 <mikk36> beaten ? for fun ? no way 05:09:36 <mikk36> that "no reason" might have been resistance 05:09:42 <ln-> that's what they say, and they are germans besides, so they probably don't share russians' opinions about the case. 05:10:53 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 05:11:40 <ln-> also they say a lot of other non-related people were arrested and beaten for fun. but who knows for sure. 05:12:53 <mikk36> i can't comment on this because i wasn't arrested 05:40:55 <mikk36> http://www.epl.ee/artikkel/384207 05:44:19 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 05:50:09 <mikk36> itink that that should be enough 05:50:26 <mikk36> i think* 05:51:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80203.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:53:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81D70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:53:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:53:44 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489edac.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:58:53 <mikk36> no comments from ln- :P 06:01:14 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489f39a.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:03:09 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 06:07:27 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-162-016.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:13:01 *** G0D_aw [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 06:19:31 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:08 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:23:45 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 06:52:32 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:53:39 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065155.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:54:47 <elmex> hm, i've read that with the junctions trains can get lost because they have to turn left to turn right. i've build such a cloverleaf and somehow didn't get any lost trains 06:56:12 <hylje> no 06:56:23 <hylje> you can very well have the route to right go from left 06:56:40 <elmex> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Half_Cloverleaf 06:56:47 <elmex> 'Trains must turn left to go right. This could lead to trains getting lost. (Can be fixed by using waypoints).' 06:57:18 <elmex> it just confuses me :) 06:57:45 <elmex> i've build a lot crazy junctions and never got such a problem 06:58:14 <hylje> its old 06:59:06 <elmex> ah, so openttd handles train pathfinding better? 06:59:13 <hylje> yes 06:59:22 <elmex> thats goood to hear ;-) with all my crazy junctions 06:59:25 <hylje> trains are unlikely to get lost ever 06:59:29 <hylje> unless the network is flawed 07:00:33 <elmex> ah, ok 07:00:45 <elmex> thats explains why barely any train gets lost inmy networks 07:01:01 <elmex> http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_junction1.png <- this is such a crazy network :-) 07:02:45 <hylje> aww, the curves :> 07:04:35 <elmex> yes :-) there are some verey ugly 90deg. curves 07:05:00 <mikk36> (09:59:06) (elmex) ah, so openttd handles train pathfinding better? <-- that was the case in the original pathfinder 07:05:02 <elmex> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Tetrathorp-Junction <- this seemsto have been invented exactly for the bad train-path-finding that was once there 07:05:20 <elmex> mikk36: ah, ok 07:05:38 <mikk36> original that came along from ttd 07:05:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:57 <mikk36> problem was solved after npf and now yapf 07:06:12 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:06:24 <elmex> ah, great :) 07:06:44 *** maddy [~maddy@88-137-128-154.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:28 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 07:10:41 <Phazorx> http://img.cx/e/4989696585/PICCYSNAP.COM_704_c.png 07:12:41 <mikk36> 3x3 :) 07:12:43 <mikk36> nice 07:13:34 <Phazorx> 5x5 07:13:43 <Phazorx> 3E+2L each way 07:14:07 <Phazorx> outer two are empty trains inner 6 are full ones 07:14:21 <Phazorx> well outter two pairs of two 07:15:04 <Phazorx> and the point is ... these 6 in a middle never stop 07:15:10 *** Triffid_Hunter [~Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:11 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:28:20 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:29:33 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C853.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:47:40 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 07:54:04 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:55:18 <mikk36> :) 08:08:05 <peter1138> morning 08:15:10 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:18:41 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:29 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489ECAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:19 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489edac.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:13 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 09:07:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host65-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:07:47 <Wolf01> hello 09:18:14 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9764 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: replace some lookup tables by functions. 09:36:23 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-41-151.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 09:39:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9765 /trunk/src/ (aircraft.h roadveh.h ship.h train.h vehicle.h): -Codechange: constify some class functions. 09:39:48 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-6-28.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:40:00 <TheJosh> g'day all 09:40:40 <TrueBrain> hi TheJosh 09:41:05 <TheJosh> How are ya? 09:42:03 <TrueBrain> getting annoying by the sun 09:43:05 <TheJosh> what is annoying you about the sun? 09:44:25 <TrueBrain> lack of clouds between me and the sun 09:45:02 <TheJosh> we are just entering winter...i miss the sun 09:45:14 <TheJosh> where are you located? 09:46:17 <TheJosh> anyway, nice to chat but i must go 09:46:29 *** TheJosh [~josh@d58-104-6-28.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: people to see, things to do] 09:56:14 *** EdwardTLS [~edward@daemon.ebuddy.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 10:08:17 <elmex> it's interesting, i've never really known the original ttd and i'm reading all kind of weird things as 'trains only make choices at two-way signals' ins the wiki which refers to to the old pathfinder - and now with the new ones everything is just natural 10:12:04 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code is a psychopath who knows where you live.] 10:19:41 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:20:43 <elmex> iwonder why servers often limit what you can build, eg. no ships and no air 10:21:09 <Rubidium> because ships, if not used properly, use massive amounts of processing power 10:21:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E786.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:19 <elmex> ah ;-) 10:21:30 <elmex> i've never been successful with ships 10:21:30 <Rubidium> because aircraft, if used properly generate soo much money that it isn't funny to play online anymore 10:21:53 <elmex> ships are slow as hell and you have to set waypoints 10:29:38 *** You're now known as hex09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635 10:29:54 *** You're now known as SpComb 10:30:43 <elmex> ? 10:34:23 <SpComb> it's the illegal number 10:36:18 <SpComb> or actaully, part of it 10:44:31 *** Sacro [ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:05:15 <eJoJ> Rubidium : does ships use massive cpu power even with yapf turned off? 11:06:16 <Rubidium> when YAPF and NPF are turned of it doesn't use as much CPU power (I believe), but it forces you to add lots of waypoints (what you basically need to do to when you play with YAPF on) 11:06:37 <TrueBrain> of = off ;) 11:08:04 <Rubidium> ooh, massive typo ;) 11:09:48 <eJoJ> hehe ;) I use waypoints from old habbit anyway ;) 11:22:02 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-139-118.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:49 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9766 /branches/noai/src/squirrel_helper.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: remove a param from the stack after using, to avoid stack-coruption 12:03:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81D70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b84aee.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:05:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:10:10 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3CEFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:26 *** Tron [~tron@p54a3f5c1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:22 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:57 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-27.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 12:42:47 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:47:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9767 /branches/noai/ (29 files in 4 dirs): 12:47:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: add support for params in the constructor (via C++ templates) 12:47:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Update: updated squirrel_export to create template-tag for constructors 12:47:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: added AITileListCargoAcceptance, to get acceptance of a tile 12:47:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Update: updated regression to test AITileListCargoAcceptance 12:56:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9768 /branches/noai/src/ (23 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: check if the amount of params for constructor are correct 13:13:28 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:15:12 *** Sacro [ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-179-181.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:43 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-125-51.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:22:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host65-234-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 13:32:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:37:05 *** Vikthor [opera@pc304-27.feld.cvut.cz] has left #openttd [] 13:52:11 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:39 *** organizm [~organizm@91.142.3.226] has joined #openttd 14:05:06 <organizm> hello all! 14:06:03 *** organizm [~organizm@91.142.3.226] has quit [] 14:12:24 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 14:38:58 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:40:51 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@217-159-182-246-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:43:03 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:57:28 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:57:39 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:57:39 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:49 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 15:07:36 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:21 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A12E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:14:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-125-51.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:00 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-41-151.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 15:21:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9769 /trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp: [newGRF] -Feature: Add translation support for Esperanto, Bulgarian, Japanese and Korean 15:22:17 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has joined #openttd 15:23:36 <Zuu> Esperanto <3, Lojban next? :D 15:24:32 <Patrick> mmm, lojban 15:33:44 <Belugas> if anyone can come up with a lojban complete translation, why not... 15:44:35 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 15:47:32 *** maddy [~maddy@88-137-128-154.adslgp.cegetel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:13 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53:24 *** waroffice [~waroffice@81.130.204.175] has joined #openttd 15:53:45 <waroffice> im having touble compiling i get a winmm.lib missing error 15:54:31 *** waroffice [~waroffice@81.130.204.175] has quit [] 15:54:54 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:57:59 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:22 <elmex> is it possible to close a company in a multiplayer game? 16:04:22 <Rubidium> from the console it is 16:04:41 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 16:04:41 <elmex> reset_company? 16:06:31 <elmex> that doesn't work 16:06:57 <Rubidium> help reset_company? 16:08:08 <elmex> well, that function is only available to a network server :) 16:08:12 <elmex> i mean as client 16:08:26 <Rubidium> something with rcon 16:08:52 <elmex> i don't ahve the serer password :) 16:09:10 <Rubidium> then you can't 16:09:21 <elmex> i want to stop my own company on a server in the internet, the only way is to wait for bankrupt? 16:09:33 <Rubidium> or ask the owner of the server 16:09:45 <Patrick> demolish lots of water if you want to go bankrupt fast 16:10:14 <elmex> well, i'm already bankrupt... someone logged into my company as i forgot to set the password and let my only train crash ;-/ 16:14:05 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-41-151.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 16:20:09 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A12E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:10 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 16:25:23 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #openttd 16:32:01 *** DaleStan [~Dale@74-140-44-235.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:01 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:33:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:38:33 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A12E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 16:39:35 <peter1138> elmex: only train? 16:39:41 <peter1138> how can your only train crash? heh 16:40:34 <elmex> peter1138: well, it wasn't my only one... the one who logged in build another train to crash it ;-/ 16:40:45 <peter1138> ah, heh 16:56:35 <Biff> hmm, news expire? 17:00:43 <Biff> http://discrete.eimot.no/~magne/openttd/no_unwanted_news_in_backlog.patch 17:04:45 <Biff> however, is there any reason for storing unwanted news? 17:06:31 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:11:21 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:45 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:20:01 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@217-159-182-246-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-125-51.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:31:02 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:31:03 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:14 *** Immow [~MIYU@c3eea5fb3.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:17 <Immow> hello 17:35:28 <TrueBrain> hi Immow 17:35:31 <Immow> is it posible to remove a industrie? :) 17:35:53 <TrueBrain> not without enabling cheats 17:35:54 <Zuu> Immow: Ctrl+Alt+C 17:35:56 <glx> magic buldozer (cheat menu) 17:36:01 <Immow> thnx 17:36:12 <Immow> so this is only posible in single player? 17:36:17 <TrueBrain> yup 17:36:34 <glx> be careful, AI can use it too when it's enabled 17:36:49 <Zuu> Including town AI. 17:37:16 <Immow> so me and my friend play online 17:37:21 <Immow> can he load game offline 17:37:25 <Immow> magic buldoze 17:37:29 <Immow> then make it online game? 17:37:33 <TrueBrain> yes 17:37:35 <Immow> cool :) 17:37:45 <Immow> he kept the game running for ages 17:37:51 <Immow> so city are all freaking huge ;) 17:38:16 <Immow> and the junction we want to build is 85 by 85 tile :P 17:38:35 <glx> with an industry in the middle? 17:38:40 <Immow> yea.. 17:38:46 <Immow> well blocking it somewhere 17:38:57 <Immow> its not for industrie 17:39:12 <Immow> http://immow.nl/4_4_4_4_junction.png 17:39:26 <Immow> this does not fit now ;) 17:41:33 *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:41:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:42:20 <elmex> wtf 17:42:30 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@217-159-182-246-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:43:10 <elmex> http://www.ta-sa.org/files/sc/ttd_junction2.png 17:43:51 <Immow> ? 17:44:34 <Immow> I think a new feature would be cool that you can buy a company and remove it 17:44:47 <elmex> :-> 17:44:54 <Immow> if someone els als inside that area of that company 17:44:58 <Immow> he can ask money for it 17:45:07 <Immow> so if 2 people dont agree it can not be sold 17:45:19 <Immow> this is handy if something is in your way 17:50:55 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> momentum.oftc.net quits: Nigel, roboboy 17:53:22 *** Netsplit over, joins: roboboy 17:55:23 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 17:55:40 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a73dc.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:28 *** mikk36[EST] [~mikk36@ip89.cab87.tln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:17:43 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a73dc.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:20:33 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip79.cab14.ktln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:08 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:48 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:28:51 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-228-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:56 <dihedral> hello guys 18:29:01 <dihedral> have a little q for you 18:29:14 <dihedral> playing tropical 18:29:16 <Rubidium> oh noes... 18:29:18 <dihedral> staring 1935 18:29:19 <Rubidium> ;) 18:29:22 <dihedral> :-P 18:29:30 <dihedral> one player was able to build rail tracks 18:29:40 <dihedral> and then was not after that 18:29:50 <dihedral> first train available in 1946 18:30:00 <dihedral> any ideas? 18:30:31 <Rubidium> no 18:30:45 <Rubidium> but he could build in 1935? 18:31:15 <dihedral> yes 18:31:19 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0928.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:31:37 <dihedral> station date is 20 feb 1036 18:31:54 <dihedral> and 22 may 1936 18:31:58 <Rubidium> normal non-electrified station? 18:32:03 <dihedral> yes 18:32:20 <dihedral> but now the rail construction window will not open at all 18:34:50 <Rubidium> it can only open when some player flags are set; I don't know any places where those flags are unset in-game so it sounds pretty fishy 18:35:48 <Rubidium> unless elrail is toggled on/off 18:36:05 <dihedral> no - was not 18:36:07 <Rubidium> but then *only* elrail is turned off 18:36:22 <dihedral> no rails are avail 18:36:41 <dihedral> if you feel like checking it out yourself 18:36:53 <dihedral> the company is still available 18:37:56 <dihedral> you are more than welcome to hope into the game and check it if you like 18:39:01 <Rubidium> let me guess, he has selected another climate in the main window? 18:39:25 <dihedral> it is hosted on a dedicated server 18:39:39 <dihedral> how would selecting a climate change the multiplayer game 18:42:07 <Rubidium> oh, never mind... I was thinking of a case where _opt.landscape might not be set properly 18:42:29 <Rubidium> but in that case he would've seen a completely different climate and desync pretty soon 18:42:43 <dihedral> there were 2 desyncs 18:42:50 <dihedral> him and then me 18:43:00 <dihedral> and i had just joined 18:43:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b84aee.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:13 <Rubidium> what version? 18:43:19 <Rubidium> any grfs? 18:43:27 <dihedral> no grfs 0.5.1 18:43:45 <dihedral> i try to run on latest stable and no grfs at all times 18:44:12 <peter1138> you try to run no grfs at all times? how tedious :) 18:44:26 <Rubidium> dihedral: can you reproduce the desyncs? 18:44:42 <dihedral> i would not know how 18:44:52 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:44:54 <dihedral> i only have savegames one a yearly basis 18:45:01 <dihedral> and it was 3 months in 18:45:06 <Rubidium> load an autosave from a few month before the desync happened 18:45:20 <dihedral> but to be honest in this version there have been more desyncs than ever 18:45:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b84c1f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:45:40 <Rubidium> 0.5.0 had much less desyncs? 18:45:57 <dihedral> yes 18:46:07 <Rubidium> any chance of knowing in which RC the desyncs came? 18:46:10 <dihedral> at least i only very seldom witnessed them 18:46:23 <dihedral> hmmm... 18:46:24 <peter1138> mmm, scientific studies 18:46:49 <dihedral> before getting you enthusiastic about the desyncs 18:46:55 <dihedral> i run a patched server 18:47:08 <dihedral> but only in the sence that it runns more scripts 18:47:17 <dihedral> i.e. i have on_yearly.scr 18:47:22 <dihedral> and on_monthly.scr 18:47:23 <Rubidium> can you show me the diff? 18:47:29 <dihedral> sure 18:47:34 <dihedral> they are in the tt-forums 18:47:49 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=30474&highlight= 18:48:14 <dihedral> i use all 3 18:48:24 <dihedral> they dont interfer with the game in any way 18:48:33 <Rubidium> doesn't look desyncable 18:49:11 <dihedral> they are only for admin purposes 18:49:22 <dihedral> nothing that changes the map or anything networkable 18:49:42 <peter1138> he doth protest too much 18:50:12 <dihedral> che? 18:50:59 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:51:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 18:52:27 <Rubidium> anyway, dihedral which RC started to show the first signs of more desyncs? 18:52:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b84c1f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 18:52:59 <dihedral> i believe the desyncs were 3 months after http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/FP2/autosave15.sav 18:53:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84C1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:53:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:53:25 <dihedral> 0.5.0 had a few desyncs 18:53:50 <dihedral> seeing as i only had the servers since rc4 that does not give a lot of room 18:54:04 <Rubidium> bugger 18:54:08 <dihedral> 0.5.1 for sure thou has more of them 18:54:18 <dihedral> and i did skip 0.5.1RC1 18:54:32 <dihedral> so that rules out a few versions 18:54:54 <dihedral> no wait - i sarted with rc3 18:55:30 <dihedral> hmmm... let me check as of when i have the source code from /tags :-) that might actually help :) 18:56:30 <dihedral> ok - i have tags/0.5.0-RC1 18:56:47 <dihedral> so there is no reason for me to have that checked out if i was not running the server 18:57:01 <dihedral> sorry for the confusion 18:57:20 <dihedral> my servers were started beginning of feb 19:12:36 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:19:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 19:19:56 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 19:23:19 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:19 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0928.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84C1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:48 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8499D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:27:21 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 19:27:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 19:27:24 *** mode/#openttd [-o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:30:22 <dihedral> anyway guys - i shall head out for today 19:31:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o _42_] by Belugas 19:31:49 *** mode/#openttd [-o _42_] by Belugas 19:31:53 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by Belugas 19:38:00 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:38:29 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:38:38 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:28 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:28 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 19:41:53 *** Szandor_ [~user@host-84-9-129-17.bulldogdsl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:53 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-056-228-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 19:45:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5E03DCF.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:46:18 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 19:49:37 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:50:01 *** mode/#openttd [-o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:55:41 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:19 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:38 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:03:49 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:03 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:10:31 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:30:28 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:25 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:40 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-186-116.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:35:06 <Digitalfox[Home]> peter1138 and belugas: Could you look at this please http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=21365&start=160 lat post 20:35:14 <Digitalfox[Home]> *last post 20:36:55 <peter1138> what about it? 20:37:24 <Sacro> it smells like cheesy feet 20:37:45 <Digitalfox[Home]> peter1138: He says "action 5 OD, Coast Tile Graphics" isn't working 20:37:54 <peter1138> i can read 20:38:04 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:38:49 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@217-159-182-246-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [] 20:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i thought newwater was not supported? 20:39:17 <Digitalfox[Home]> I know you can read, i was just explaining why i put the info here 20:39:55 <Digitalfox[Home]> No need to get angry ;) 20:42:31 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 20:42:47 <peter1138> coast tiles are supposed, corner coast tiles are not 20:45:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C853.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:46:52 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:17 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:47:59 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7A12E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:28 <Belugas> bye, going home 21:01:01 <Wolf01> bye 21:13:01 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57B299FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:15:22 <elmex> it's interesting to see that not many people build up networks 21:15:57 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:21 <elmex> i can't understand that... building up a network an amazing and fun thing to do 21:19:17 *** Immow [~MIYU@c3eea5fb3.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:33 <Wolf01> 'night 21:22:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:37:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Aqualung, a great music player for gnu/linux: http://aqualung.sourceforge.net/ **SPAM WARNING **] 21:37:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:41:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-125-51.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:43:39 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 21:43:58 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 21:44:44 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 21:45:11 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [] 21:45:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 21:48:39 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:59 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-41-151.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 21:58:27 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:05:57 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:27 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57B299FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:49 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 22:06:50 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:29 <Kittysune> odd 22:15:00 <ln-> even 22:31:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E786.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:45 *** Kittysune is now known as Ailure 22:38:51 <Ailure> paradox 22:52:10 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:14 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 23:04:07 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-153.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:10:36 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.107.188] has joined #openttd 23:10:39 <UndernotBuilder> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=581288#581288 23:10:41 <UndernotBuilder> the revenge of jasper? 23:10:42 <UndernotBuilder> or maybe we should call it the reborn? 23:15:09 <Sacro> oh god no 23:15:13 * Sacro takes cover 23:16:52 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:45 <Sionide> woowww 23:25:51 <Sionide> passenger destinations looks awesome.. 23:26:01 <Sionide> anyone know if there are any linux binaries for it available? 23:26:09 <Sionide> i'm reading through the topic now looking for one 23:26:52 <Patrick> building it from source is much easier than finding a binary 23:26:56 <Touqen> indeed 23:27:07 <Touqen> That mod has had a bit of a turbulent past though. 23:27:31 <Sionide> hrm 23:27:38 <Sionide> seems to be picking up some pace at the moment though 23:27:52 <Touqen> Cool 23:27:58 <Sionide> i can compile stuff, but i'm not so good with using .diff files, any HOWTOs anywhere? 23:28:08 <Touqen> Sionide: There are instructions on the wiki 23:28:20 <Sionide> should have looked before asking 23:28:26 <Sacro> Sionide: its easy 23:28:27 <Touqen> it's basically cd to the svn directory and patch < mypatch.diff 23:28:29 <Sacro> cd into your dir 23:28:30 <Touqen> It's super simple. 23:28:41 <Sacro> patch -p0 -i /path/to/diff 23:28:43 <Sacro> and your done 23:28:45 <Sionide> so should i compile the latest nightly? 23:28:47 * Touqen was close. 23:28:59 <Sacro> Touqen: your way works too i belive 23:29:14 <Touqen> I would imagine the nightly should be sufficient. 23:29:22 <Touqen> or you can just get it directly from trunk 23:30:32 <Sionide> i need to learn svn properly actually 23:30:37 <Sionide> so i can use it in projects at uni 23:30:45 <Sionide> would have been very useful for the last one i just did 23:31:08 * Touqen recommends bookmarking the svn redbook 23:31:17 <Touqen> There's quite a bit of nifty stuff in there. 23:31:57 <Touqen> holy crap 23:32:13 <Touqen> I just started visual studio with my new 2GB of ram 23:32:21 <Touqen> I've never seen it load so fast. 23:34:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:36:37 <Sionide> Fetched 48.4MB in 6m49s (118kB/s) 23:36:59 <Sionide> eww, visual studio :( 23:37:06 <Patrick> mmm 23:37:13 <Touqen> I <3 visual studio for windows development. 23:37:16 <Patrick> looks like an apt output 23:37:35 <Patrick> yeah, if I had to dev on windows and I didn't only know python I'd use VS 23:37:52 <Touqen> For python I used Eclipse + PyDev :D 23:38:01 <Patrick> eclipse can go hang 23:38:08 <Patrick> I just use kate atm, or idle on windows 23:38:37 <Touqen> Hrm.. Exclipse doesn't seem to load noticeably faster though. 23:42:21 <Sionide> err 23:42:21 <Sionide> sionide@sphinx:~/games/openttd/svn$ svn up -r 9739 23:42:21 <Sionide> Skipped '.' 23:42:41 <Sionide> does that mean it worked, or didn't work? 23:43:25 <Touqen> I think it freaks out if you try to backdate a revision 23:43:31 <Touqen> err backdate an update 23:43:39 <Touqen> try doing co -r 9739 23:44:18 <Sionide> i'm now getting a "File to patch" prompt...? 23:44:36 <Sionide> bleh 23:44:42 <Sionide> svn: Not enough arguments provided; try 'svn help' for more info 23:45:18 <Touqen> Sionide: Are you in the right directory? 23:45:21 <Sacro> svn co -r 9739 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk 23:45:30 <Sacro> or svn -r 6434 up 23:45:52 <Sionide> do i need to be *in* the dir where the code is, or the one below? 23:45:57 <Sacro> err... 23:46:03 <Sacro> then svn root 23:46:05 <Touqen> Sionide: Have you downloaded the sources at all? 23:46:07 <Sionide> ohh i see 23:46:10 <Sionide> yeah the source is there 23:46:17 <Touqen> Sionide: from subversion? 23:46:31 <Touqen> because it won't work if you use something you downloaded from elsewhere 23:46:37 <Sionide> from svn yeah 23:46:42 <Sionide> Updated to revision 9739. 23:46:43 <Sionide> yay 23:47:49 <Sionide> err 23:47:50 <Sionide> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. 23:48:11 <Sionide> do i need to ./configure first? 23:48:29 <Sionide> sorry for being such a noob :/ 23:48:47 <Sionide> it doesn't say that in the wiki page thought 23:48:49 <Sionide> -t 23:48:57 <Sionide> now compiling, wheehoo 23:50:57 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065155.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:22 <Sionide> ... 23:59:42 <Sionide> pwjfpwqjfpwjrfpwqjfpoqwf