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00:00:00 <UnderBuilder> why? I never finish patches because when I start them I want to do it too complex and I never finish them 00:00:18 <skidd13> glx: you've gat pm. 00:00:22 <TrueBrain> poor Belugas :p 00:00:25 <UnderBuilder> well, those are not patches but games I try to make with freebasic 00:00:54 <Belugas> hello to you too, hard blittering TrueBrain :D 00:00:54 *** Johnmit [~John@host-138-38-235-155.nat.bath.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 00:01:11 *** Johnmit [~John@host-138-38-235-155.nat.bath.ac.uk] has left #openttd [Going, Going...... Go] 00:01:23 <TrueBrain> :) I blitter around lately :p 00:01:29 <Belugas> i wonld not say it was a bad day, after all, the sun was perfect, little wind, nice temp... 00:01:32 <Belugas> bee! 00:01:34 <Belugas> oups.. 00:01:37 <TrueBrain> Nice :) 00:01:37 <Belugas> beer! 00:01:40 <Belugas> better :D 00:01:42 <TrueBrain> I had enough beer for one day :) 00:02:11 <Belugas> well.. i only have some once in a while... got to make the ocasion and appreciate it! 00:02:22 <UnderBuilder> before I remember I did some good ascii games in Qbasic but now I want to make my games too complex and I fail to do them 00:03:15 <UnderBuilder> well, maybe I want too much 00:03:37 <Belugas> do one thing simnple, but make it right 00:03:44 <Belugas> complexity is a killer 00:03:53 <glx> skidd13: ok I can reproduce :) 00:03:56 <Belugas> unless you have a good plan, a good methodology 00:04:17 <UnderBuilder> but all the games ideas I get are all too complex 00:04:32 <Belugas> like? 00:05:13 <skidd13> glx: similar issue with tramstops on straight slopes. 00:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> <XeryusTC> Eddi|zuHause: you like horror? <- no, i am more interested in mystery and fantasy 00:05:41 <glx> and with road over tram on slope 00:05:59 <skidd13> yes 00:06:58 <UnderBuilder> the trouble is that when I get a problem while coding the game, I get mad when I cannot fix it and then I abandon it 00:07:06 <skidd13> I ment you can build tram stops on sloped tracks. 00:07:40 <skidd13> s/on/over/ 00:08:38 <Belugas> UnderBuilder : draw the code. draw the memory assigments. draw the pointers. and read: code, books about programming, forums, etc... never abandon, alwasy go forward. try different approaches, ask questions 00:08:39 <glx> hm right reproduced it too ;) 00:08:50 <Belugas> if you fail, you'll never learn 00:09:18 * Belugas goes back in the pleasure of coding newindustries 00:12:01 <skidd13> gn 00:12:21 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4EE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 00:13:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B826DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:51 <UnderBuilder> well, I fell culprit because I entered the programation world without basic knowledges 00:15:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8103B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:15:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:15:58 <Belugas> i hope you an overcome that, UnderBuilder. It's what you do not know that hurts the most, not what you know ;) 00:16:01 <Belugas> good night 00:16:22 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@201.255.110.55] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 1.0.3/20050414]] 00:18:47 <Ailure> [01:18] <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9949 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: (road) depots got deowned on bankrupts. 00:18:49 <Ailure> Nice :) 00:18:54 <Ailure> and ok, I'm going to sleep. 00:19:18 <glx> one hour to notice it ;) 00:19:26 <Ailure> I was doing othe rstuff :p 00:22:50 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-4-250.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8103B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b83059.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:32:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:33:38 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-227-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:43 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:44 *** 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now known as Sacro 01:04:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9951 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp station_cmd.cpp): 01:04:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: slope check was incomplete when building road over tram track (and vice-versa) 01:04:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: you could build a drive-through station over a sloped road/tram track 01:09:11 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:12 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b83059.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:59 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:15 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:16:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82343.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:16:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:18:02 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:38 *** 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r9952 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Fix r9951: it was not possible to build a drive-through station over a road/tram 02:16:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81F99.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:18:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:33:20 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 02:47:56 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:55:30 *** iPandaMojo [~panda@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: iPandaMojo] 03:22:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:24:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82f2e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:24:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:28:58 <Sacro> Error: NewGRF file is missing 'buffers.grf' 03:28:58 <Sacro> openttd: /home/ben/openttd/trunk/src/openttd.cpp:104: void error(const char*, ...): Assertion `0' failed. 03:29:08 <Sacro> it showed me it in the list 03:42:49 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:45:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:48:09 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:58:07 <Jerub> that was weird. 03:58:28 <Jerub> train goes into station, receives k, goes for a service, does a loop and comes back into the station, and /then/ unloads 04:05:00 <ThePizzaKing> one of the many reasons I turn off servicing 04:06:18 <ThePizzaKing> If you move the depot further away from the station it won't happen 04:06:28 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:06:49 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:10:07 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl10-64-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 04:14:22 <Jerub> ThePizzaKing: I'm playing with breakdowns on. 04:15:25 <Jerub> so servicing isn't really optional. 04:17:03 <ThePizzaKing> yeah, I just found breakdowns happened too often, and servicing was annoying, so I turned them off. I don't know if there are any tricks to stop problems like that though... 04:17:50 <Jerub> multiple mainlines. 04:26:13 <Jerub> yow. faster trains really do make a difference. 04:26:39 <Jerub> just increased all my trains by 30km/h, and now I made an extra 25% profit this year. 04:31:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b82f2e.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80E6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:33:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:59:31 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:31 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:13:06 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host86-130-151-243.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:28:12 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-33-171.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:33:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9953 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix: Only check whether trains are multiheaded when cloning. 05:56:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80E6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:58:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8102B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:58:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 06:00:44 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 06:01:03 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:19:20 *** lolman [lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:47 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 06:38:05 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb79af.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:06 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:09 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:41:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pd9eb79af.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:19 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:05:27 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:13:39 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb79af.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:13:39 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:16:30 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54AFFD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:24:49 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54AFFD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:27:38 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:28:25 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:33:48 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C9CB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:40:35 <Jerub> yow. 07:40:44 <Jerub> is 80k/year good for hovercraft? 07:40:44 <Jerub> :) 07:45:02 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498f8b6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:46:36 <moe> gr anyone has a ac97 soundcard/or ussing its drivers? 07:51:08 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:40 <Jerub> breakdowns make planes annoying 07:57:03 <Jerub> is it a good idea to double the size of your airports by adding a second one next to the first one? 07:57:18 <peter1138> no, because you can't 07:57:27 <Maedhros> moe: i do (i'm running linux though) 07:57:37 <peter1138> hmm 07:57:41 <peter1138> does sb live count as ac97? heh 07:58:09 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:02:24 <moe> maehdros when i install drivers on winxp (pc is scaleo 600) it crashs and reboots.i installed it in safe mode but on normal one it crashed again =/. its annoying 08:02:52 <moe> i can figure out hoe i managed it hte first time 08:03:33 <Maedhros> ah, i don't know anything about the drivers on windows, sorry 08:04:40 <moe> well there are some forums and a lot ppls have the problem with those chip. 08:08:42 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:19:04 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:05 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pd9eb79af.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:37 <Jerub> peter1138: damn 08:19:48 <Jerub> peter1138: it'd be nice to get more terminals and runways :) 08:20:11 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-175-58.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:21 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-37-14.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:25:19 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-126-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:43 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498f8b6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 08:27:56 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:28:01 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:40 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C9CB.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:36:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8102B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80CAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:39:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:48:09 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493D41A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:33 <yeti_> hi :) 08:48:43 <yeti_> silly question of the day: where can i get a tram grf? 08:49:03 <TrueBrain> www.tt-forums.net is your best guess ;) 08:49:12 <TrueBrain> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/2007/05/26/trams-in-openttd/ 08:50:27 <Ammler> maybe also a silly question, but is it possible to run with normal trains on the railroads? 08:50:56 <TrueBrain> 'normal' trains? And you mean on rail, as in: not tram? 08:53:10 <Ammler> in our country, there are some countryside narrow gauge trains able to run on tram routes 08:53:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9954 /trunk/src/ai/trolly/pathfinder.cpp: -Fix [FS#811]: trolley AI crashed when trying to determine what the roadbits are. 08:53:54 <TrueBrain> ah, so you want to know if trains can run on tramtracks :) 08:53:57 <TrueBrain> I guess not :) 08:54:23 <Ammler> but is it easy makeable or just impossible? :) 08:54:28 <peter1138> impossible 08:54:55 <peter1138> well 08:54:57 <peter1138> not impossible 08:54:58 <peter1138> but... 08:55:54 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C9CB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:47 <yeti_> hmm... i have loaded a tram grf, now what do i have to activate in order to be able to build trams :) ? 09:08:57 <yeti_> ah, nevermind 09:08:59 <yeti_> :) 09:11:19 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 09:12:33 *** Rambo^^ [magic.powe@81-233-244-56-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:16:38 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@81-233-244-56-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:38 *** Rambo^^ is now known as RamboRonny 09:17:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9955 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Make _roadveh_enter_depot_unk0 slightly less mysterious. 09:20:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80CAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b849be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:23:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:27:27 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:19 *** bencvt [~bencvt@va-71-53-204-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: sudden death] 09:33:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9956 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add tram livery schemes 09:33:59 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB79AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:53:44 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:25 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 10:00:43 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:00:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9957 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: replace cargo tram with freight tram for consistency. 10:02:14 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-145-104.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Ammler> in our country, there are some countryside narrow gauge trains able to run on tram routes <- in ottd, trams are a road type, not a rail type 10:09:50 <Ammler> oh, ok, explains it 10:10:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1dcfe.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:02 <Ammler> so, its also not possible to make long trams with 4 or more waggons? 10:11:42 <hylje> articulated road vehicles 10:11:55 <hylje> ie. trains on road 10:13:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think that is implemented yet 10:13:47 <peter1138> it's being worked on 10:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hope so :) 10:23:22 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:30:27 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:31:02 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:35:42 <Zr40> what's holding up FS#104? :) 10:35:49 <Zr40> if lack of time, anything I can do? :) 10:43:13 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-165-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:09 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:44:49 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493D41A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: 'Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?'] 10:46:49 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:47:17 <Luukland> Rubidium, can you help me? I have a small question ^^ 10:47:43 <Luukland> (so may i query you :P) 10:48:26 <Zr40> can only Rubidium help you, or may I (or one of the other channel inhabitants) help you too? :) 10:48:40 <Luukland> (hmmmmmm) 10:48:54 <Luukland> those "inhabitants" may help also :p 10:49:15 <Luukland> I have the latest nightly 10:49:50 <Luukland> if i generate an artic map, on hard difficulty level, and build a road depot it disappears in a few years 10:50:19 <Zr40> it just disappears, or does it get replaced by something else? 10:50:28 <Luukland> it disappears 10:50:33 <Luukland> nothing comes back 10:51:00 <Luukland> it is irritating, especially when you have 20 different road connections 10:51:18 <Luukland> because you have to build the road depot every time again 10:51:25 <Luukland> that is my problem :) 10:51:31 <Zr40> sounds like a bug 10:52:03 <Luukland> do you have the same problem? 10:52:18 <Zr40> no, haven't tried yet 10:52:21 <peter1138> any conditions? 10:52:26 <peter1138> in a town, in the middle of nowhere? 10:52:42 <Luukland> in the middle of nowhere 10:53:16 *** alanin is now known as Alanin 10:53:21 <Luukland> you should try it :p 10:53:45 *** Ola [~fn890ew@s5593182a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:38 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 9949 10:54:40 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by rubidium :: r9949 trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp (2007-05-26 23:18:42 UTC) 10:54:41 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Fix: (road) depots got deowned on bankrupts. 10:54:47 <TrueBrain> Luukland: so it should be fixed in next nightly :) 10:55:10 <Luukland> after 1,5 year, every builded depot will disappear 10:55:16 <Zr40> I didn't read anything about bankrupts 10:55:23 <Luukland> no, just start a game 10:55:26 <Luukland> build depot 10:55:28 <TrueBrain> hard level, many AIs :p 10:55:29 <Luukland> wait 1,5 year 10:55:40 <Luukland> and it is gone 10:55:56 <peter1138> ah, i guess that's why i wouldn't notice it 10:55:59 <peter1138> i don't play with AIs 10:56:16 <Luukland> well i did (for the change) 10:56:32 <peter1138> so anyway, it's fixed. 10:56:35 <Zr40> Luukland: check if the same thing happens without AIs :) 10:57:04 <Luukland> without AI's nothing happens :P 10:57:51 <TrueBrain> Luukland: we kindly ask you to try it again with the upcoming nightly (in 7 hours that is) 10:57:58 <TrueBrain> if the problem still happens, come back and tell us :) 10:58:09 <Luukland> sorry i am wrong 10:58:21 <Luukland> even without AI's the problem still occures 10:59:07 <Frostregen> uhm, what is ROADTYPE_HWAY ? :) 10:59:29 <Luukland> TrueBrain, well can't I get it right now, so i can test it right now? That is maybe better? 10:59:57 <TrueBrain> Luukland: only if you compile the latest HEAD yourself 11:00:18 <Luukland> i can compile :) 11:00:25 <TrueBrain> so get SVN and compile :) 11:00:36 <Luukland> is the trunk already updated? 11:00:46 <Zr40> trunk is where stuff happens :) 11:00:53 <Luukland> ah :p 11:01:05 <TrueBrain> if it aint in trunk, it aint real 11:01:06 <Zr40> the nightlies are compiled from the then-current trunk 11:01:34 <Luukland> hmmm, ok :) 11:02:01 <Zr40> TrueBrain: could you make FS#104 real? :D 11:02:27 <TrueBrain> Zr40: too bad for you, I can't 11:02:59 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has left #openttd [Leaving] 11:03:01 <Luukland> whahahaha XD 11:03:11 <peter1138> it's a big ugly patch :o 11:03:22 <TrueBrain> code-wise it is pretty okay 11:03:33 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54AFFD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:54 <Luukland> compiling..... 11:04:01 <TrueBrain> shit, sssttt, he is here now 11:04:07 <Luukland> 0_o 11:04:21 <TrueBrain> hi dihedral :) 11:04:48 <Luukland> and TrueBrain current version is: r9957? 11:05:23 <Zr40> Luukland: yes 11:05:33 <Luukland> -- compile failed -- 11:05:38 <Luukland> Grrrmmmbbl 11:06:12 <Luukland> i really need linux for that :P, buildOTTD &^%%^$*) 11:06:13 <Luukland> :P 11:08:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 11:10:34 <Luukland> Zr40 i can't get it compiled 11:10:35 <Luukland> :S 11:10:56 <Zr40> Luukland: I can't help you if I don't know what goes wrong :) 11:11:20 <Luukland> well do you use the program buildOTTD youselve? 11:11:25 <Luukland> *yourselve? 11:11:45 <Zr40> I don't even know what buildOTTD is :) 11:11:53 <Zr40> but then I don't use Windows anymore 11:12:04 <Luukland> ah, just a program that can compile the source for Windows :p 11:12:19 <Luukland> it gives an error :P 11:12:29 <Zr40> but which one? ;) 11:12:29 <Luukland> with no error report or anything 11:12:40 <Luukland> compile failed 11:12:42 <Luukland> :P 11:15:18 <Luukland> TrueBrain do you have any suggestions? 11:15:55 <TrueBrain> NOPE 11:15:57 <TrueBrain> HMM 11:15:58 <TrueBrain> CAPSLOCK 11:15:59 <TrueBrain> COOL!!! 11:16:10 <Luukland> >_< 11:16:15 <TrueBrain> ask kaan 11:16:33 <Luukland> :P 11:16:37 <Luukland> where can i find him? 11:16:44 <TrueBrain> he drops by here from time to time 11:16:50 <Luukland> -_- 11:17:01 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:31 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:17:51 <Luukland> let's see, if my bouncer can add this IRCserver 11:18:31 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/art2.png 11:18:37 <TrueBrain> my attempt to make OpenTTD more art-alike continues 11:19:02 <valhallasw> TrueBrain: creative 11:19:09 <Luukland> :S 11:19:14 <Luukland> yes very creative 11:19:22 <TrueBrain> wouldn't you guys play with this patch? 11:19:23 <Luukland> how old are you anyway :P 11:19:30 <TrueBrain> I just finished kindergarten 11:19:34 <Luukland> ah :p 11:19:46 <Zr40> TrueBrain: that looks like openttd in the old days 11:19:48 <Luukland> Whahahahah :p 11:19:58 <Zr40> holding tab or something would enable SDL debug stuff 11:21:10 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54AFFD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:33 <Luukland> gelukkig zijn hier heel veel Nederlanders :) toch? 11:22:42 <TrueBrain> what kind of crappy language is that?! 11:22:52 <Zr40> there appear to be quite a few, but this is an English channel :) 11:22:54 <TrueBrain> I hate German people 11:23:00 <Luukland> Whahahah XD 11:23:00 <TrueBrain> (hahahaha :)) 11:23:19 <Luukland> Zr40 it is not in the topic 11:23:31 <Zr40> Luukland: the topic is English 11:23:33 <TrueBrain> Luukland: but you will feel soon enough that it really is :) 11:23:33 <Luukland> but i will talk English for you :P 11:23:36 <Maedhros> Zr40: compile in debug mode, and press caps-lock. it's still there ;) 11:23:57 <Zr40> Maedhros: I disabled my caps-lock key. :) 11:24:03 <Luukland> >_< 11:24:04 <TrueBrain> Zr40: what? You pulled it out? 11:24:11 <Luukland> :P he broke it 11:24:19 <Zr40> TrueBrain: no, I disabled it in System Preferences 11:24:21 <TrueBrain> It has to be a dutch person to do that 11:24:34 <Luukland> grrrr!! I will slap :p 11:24:39 <TrueBrain> rowr 11:24:44 <TrueBrain> maak me gek 11:24:57 <Zr40> Maedhros: it seems OpenTTD on Mac OS X doesn't use SDL. 11:25:07 <TrueBrain> it doesn't, by default 11:28:38 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/art3.png 11:28:40 <TrueBrain> it is getting better :) 11:29:05 <Zr40> TrueBrain: what are you trying? :) 11:29:17 <TrueBrain> I am rewriting the blitter code, but it gives some cool side-effects :) 11:29:32 <Zr40> looks like a nice network overview 11:29:43 <TrueBrain> this is already in trunk, the zoom-out level 11:29:54 <TrueBrain> just I replaced all sprites with the top left pixel 11:30:26 <TrueBrain> or rather: the counter :p 11:30:27 <TrueBrain> haha 11:30:33 <Luukland> compile succeeded :) 11:30:35 <Luukland> yeey :P 11:30:39 <TrueBrain> concratz 11:30:40 <Zr40> hmm. this is odd :) 11:30:58 <Luukland> lets test it :) 11:31:07 <Zr40> when I scroll using the right mouse button, I notice stutter 11:31:19 <Zr40> but when I hold tab (fast forward), scrolling goes fluidly 11:31:20 <TrueBrain> in max zoom-out or something? :) 11:31:24 <Zr40> no, normal zoom 11:31:27 <TrueBrain> that is weird 11:31:43 <Zr40> smoothly, rather :) 11:33:52 <Luukland> Depot problem solved :) 11:33:56 <Luukland> great work 11:33:57 <Zr40> it is on a 2048x2048, though 11:34:02 <Zr40> great :) 11:34:09 <TrueBrain> k, tnx Luukland, nice to know :) 11:34:21 <Luukland> well, i am just testing anyway 11:34:35 <TrueBrain> we need testers... LOTS OF THEM! 11:34:45 <Luukland> but what was the reason that you guys stopped making: MiniIN? 11:34:52 <TrueBrain> we never made it 11:35:01 <Luukland> owww 11:35:04 <TrueBrain> but it became a very hard job to keep it up to date with the trunk 11:35:08 <Luukland> ah :p 11:35:28 <TrueBrain> and as the maintainer didn't had the time for doing that anymore 11:35:36 <Luukland> i preferred it above thge nightly 11:35:51 <TrueBrain> I personally don't, as the code can be rather unstable... 11:36:06 <Luukland> well, as you can see, Nightly can also have bugs :p 11:36:16 <TrueBrain> for that it is a nightly :) 11:36:31 <Rubidium> Luukland: the MiniIN has/had a lot of desync issues that nobody cared to fix 11:36:43 <TrueBrain> but at least in nightly people know and care to fix things :) 11:36:45 <Zr40> TrueBrain: aren't you the developer of the then-new road AI? 11:36:46 <Rubidium> and it has lots of other bugs that nobody cared to fix 11:37:00 <Luukland> ok Rubidium dat is duidelijk 11:37:08 <TrueBrain> Zr40: one of the developers of NoAI, yes 11:37:24 <Zr40> ah, the game answered my question 11:37:25 <Rubidium> hmm, why do people assume someone is Dutch by their hostname? 11:37:33 <Luukland> :P 11:37:37 <Zr40> I noticed the AI only creates two bus stations 11:37:37 <TrueBrain> Luukland: but the MiniIN does have many nice features 11:37:41 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: for that I use a bouncer :) 11:37:46 <Luukland> ah :p 11:37:48 <Zr40> but while I was typing, two new ones were built :) 11:37:51 <TrueBrain> Zr40: oh, you mean NewAI? 11:37:59 <TrueBrain> trolly AI 11:38:08 <Zr40> TrueBrain: the one you activate at the patches window 11:38:08 <TrueBrain> it is so lovely :) A nice proof of concept... 11:38:14 <TrueBrain> but yes, I wrote thatone 11:38:17 <TrueBrain> long long long ago 11:38:19 <Luukland> and do we get a special nightly at the r10.000 ?? 11:38:27 <TrueBrain> nah 11:38:33 <TrueBrain> reminds me I should add the commit-blocker at 10000 11:38:37 <TrueBrain> of course I want to have it :p 11:38:40 <Luukland> :P 11:38:52 <TrueBrain> maybe I should order some firework too 11:38:53 <Rubidium> ofcourse we make 10000 uncompilable ;) 11:38:54 <Luukland> well it is kind of... special 11:38:55 <Luukland> :P 11:38:59 <Zr40> TrueBrain: I did notice a nice feature :) 11:39:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: now that is a nice idea :) 11:39:05 <Rubidium> Luukland: no it isn't 11:39:15 <Luukland> well, for me it is :p 11:39:19 <Zr40> TrueBrain: it built 13 buses for one route :) 11:39:20 <TrueBrain> I personally find 9999 and 10240 more special :) 11:39:21 <Rubidium> @openttd commit 1 11:39:22 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 11:39:23 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 11:39:32 <Rubidium> see, we already passed 10000 revisions 11:39:35 <Zr40> TrueBrain: 9999? 10240? 16384! 11:39:45 <TrueBrain> Zr40: it does a simple calculation: route length / speed = amount of vehicles 11:40:01 <TrueBrain> @calc 9957 + 975 11:40:01 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 10932 11:40:05 <TrueBrain> almost at 11000! :p 11:40:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: we should switch to git, then nobody cares about it at all :) 11:40:23 <Zr40> TrueBrain: git? darcs! 11:40:24 <Luukland> whahaha :P 11:41:32 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: maybe we'll get a party when we get "r"0123456789abcdef0123456789abcdef in git :) 11:41:40 <TrueBrain> hahahaa :) 11:41:45 <TrueBrain> but nobody ever knows when that happens :) 11:41:47 *** setrodox [setrodox@85-124-46-28.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 11:41:55 <Zr40> Rubidium: you can rather party when you get collisions 11:42:10 <Zr40> those are much more likely than hitting a specific commit 11:42:25 <Rubidium> no, then we flame Mr. Torvalds :) 11:42:54 <TrueBrain> I always wanted to write a flame email to him :) 11:42:57 <Luukland> euuhh, /me discovered a new issue: I have right now -22.000 dollar. I had 3 year ago -15.000 dollar. If i am correct, then i should have gone bankrupt in the mean time 11:43:15 <TrueBrain> not if you hit positive anywhere in between 11:43:17 <Luukland> i did not have any income in the year between 11:43:23 <TrueBrain> ah :) 11:43:40 <Rubidium> isn't it that the player in SP can never bankrupt? 11:43:46 <TrueBrain> possible, ye 11:43:47 <TrueBrain> s 11:43:55 <Luukland> pfff :P 11:44:48 <peter1138> why not? 11:45:02 <peter1138> it should be 'game over man!' 11:45:15 <TrueBrain> dude, you are out of money 11:45:19 <TrueBrain> now aint that the sadest? 11:45:24 <Luukland> :P 11:45:25 <TrueBrain> so get out of here and start over 11:45:31 <TrueBrain> "Now the question is: CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN?" 11:46:08 <Rubidium> no, "hedge fund Sawyer Inc. has taken over your company and thrown you out" ;) 11:46:48 <Luukland> and, can you guys make it possible to build more stations a town?? I really hate there is a limit, especially if you have 3/4 towns a map, it can be quite irritating :) 11:46:58 <TrueBrain> which limit? 11:47:03 <TrueBrain> you do need to rename the stations at a given moment 11:47:13 <TrueBrain> but that is because you run out of auto-generated names 11:47:24 <Luukland> hmm let's test 11:47:33 <Zr40> only airports are limited 11:48:32 <Luukland> you guys are correct 11:48:53 <Luukland> but if you play with AI's then you can not change the station names of there stations 11:49:22 <Luukland> so if they already have build everything around the city, then you cannot do anything about it :( 11:49:47 <TrueBrain> true; I once made a small patch that started to add #2 behind names, but it looked rather ugly :) 11:50:56 <Luukland> and the 2 airpots a town is also very irritating :P, (i have a lot of irritating stuff), can someone insert a patch s you can change that? 11:51:07 <Luukland> that is maybe a better idea 11:51:39 <TrueBrain> isn't there a patch setting to control that? 11:52:10 <Luukland> there is a patch for aircraft speed, but i do not remeber any patch for airports/town 11:52:30 <TrueBrain> for sure there is a patch on tt-forums for it, but I thought it was included in trunk... 11:52:37 <TrueBrain> but I am known to be wrong :) 11:52:42 <Luukland> Whahahah :P 11:56:57 <Luukland> well i can't find it TrueBrain 11:57:45 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:03:28 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a5caa.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:32 <TrueBrain> too bad :p 12:14:55 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are way too many dutch people in this channel :p 12:16:17 <TrueBrain> shall we ban them all? 12:17:29 <Luukland> in that case, i will activate my proxy and come back ^^ 12:17:44 <TrueBrain> does that make you less of a dutch people? 12:17:47 <TrueBrain> person 12:17:55 <Luukland> hmmm, yes 12:17:59 <Luukland> i huess so 12:18:10 <TrueBrain> so you want to tell me I am not a Dutchman? :p 12:18:49 <peter1138> you're not 12:18:53 <peter1138> you're a Madman 12:19:00 <TrueBrain> good point 12:20:35 <Luukland> whahahaa :P 12:22:23 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 12:24:01 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:05 <skidd13> Tram tracks don't have their own cursor. Is there a need for it? 12:24:42 <Luukland> 11 million Dutch people use the internet frequently 11m of the 16 = 70% 0_o 12:25:04 <Luukland> 70% of the dutch people are at least 1 time a week online 0_o 12:26:18 <Luukland> I guess that is the reason why there are so many dutch people online ;) 12:26:44 <Zr40> there are a lot more people living in the USA 12:26:58 <Zr40> even if only 1% of them uses the internet frequently, that's still more than 11 million 12:27:04 <TrueBrain> talking about a clear case of fucking up statistics :) 12:27:28 <Luukland> :P 12:27:41 <Zr40> also, keep timezones in mind 12:27:45 <Zr40> the USA is probably asleep :) 12:27:46 <Luukland> hmmmm 12:27:52 <Luukland> -8 hours 12:28:01 <TrueBrain> I once read that if you drive a yellow car, you have less chance on an accident. Then I read the statistics with it: they didn't compared the amount of sold yellow cars with the amount of crashed, no, the amount of yellow cars that had an accident... of course this is faulty, as there are far less yellow cars..... 12:28:12 <Luukland> :S 12:28:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:31 <Luukland> Purno is also dutch :P 12:28:32 <TrueBrain> and of course that is the moment Purno jons... 12:28:36 <TrueBrain> joins 12:28:47 * TrueBrain sets mode +b *@*.nl 12:28:52 <Rubidium> skidd13: the normal tram tracks have their own cursor (at least in my build) 12:29:01 <Purno> :o 12:29:10 <Luukland> see Purno 12:29:17 <Luukland> we have to start an own channel 12:29:24 <Purno> I have an own channel 12:29:24 <Luukland> for dutch TTD persons :p 12:29:35 <TrueBrain> I owe this channel! :) 12:29:38 <Purno> well, the dutch trainset got an own channel 12:29:40 <Zr40> TrueBrain: own :) 12:29:46 <TrueBrain> Zr40: it wasn't a typo :p 12:30:03 <Luukland> We dutch People could rule the world!! 12:30:04 <skidd13> My fault. I used the "tramtsgw.grf" and then there was only the street icon. =) 12:30:42 *** coronel [andreabl@login1.powertech.no] has joined #openttd 12:31:12 <Luukland> Once in America the people of the colony's voted for the official language of America. It became English, and not Dutch (only 1 vote was the difference) 12:31:14 <Luukland> -_- 12:31:27 <Zr40> somehow I doubt that's true 12:31:34 <TrueBrain> there were 3 people 12:32:00 <TrueBrain> I hate connection resets... 12:32:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:32:06 * TrueBrain slaps his ISP or OpenTTD's ISP 12:32:10 <Luukland> Zr40 that is what my English Teacher says :) 12:32:10 <Zr40> TrueBrain: peer acting up again? 12:32:33 <Zr40> TrueBrain: your ISP being? 12:32:43 <TrueBrain> Surfnet! 12:32:49 <Zr40> that explains it 12:32:54 <TrueBrain> not really 12:33:01 <Zr40> just kidding :) 12:33:52 <coronel> Where did the "pause on no clients"-patch go, anyone? 12:33:55 <peter1138> "an own" :/ 12:34:36 <peter1138> coronel: obsolete 12:34:45 <coronel> peter1138: What's the alternative? 12:34:49 <peter1138> min_players 12:34:54 <glx> in cfg 12:34:56 <coronel> Oh! 12:35:02 <coronel> Groovy! Thank you. 12:38:39 <elmex> is there a way to limit the size of the rectangle that can be leveled at once in a multiplayer game? 12:38:52 <elmex> it would certainly help to prevent jerks from leveling land to sealevel 12:39:13 <Luukland> well lighthouses :p 12:39:45 <Luukland> but further there are no ways, everyone can terraform hills and mountains 12:40:13 <elmex> i've had it with one who already had like 160million, he broke a rule of my server and i told him multiple times. he got annoyed and trashed lots of the langscape before leaving. i feel dumb not kicking him on the first violation 12:40:16 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:40:34 <elmex> Luukland: yea, but i would love to limit the amount that can be done at once or within a certain time 12:40:43 <Luukland> :P 12:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Luukland> Once in America the people of the colony's voted for the official language of America. It became English, and not Dutch (only 1 vote was the difference) <- actually, they say that about german (= Deutsch, maybe that's cause of some confusion, there is also a language called "Pennsylvanian Dutch", which is actually a german dialect, not a dutch dialect)... 12:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> also, this supposed "vote" has been revealed as a misunderstanding of historic documents, it is more likely that there was a vote about if some governmental publications should _also_ be translated into german 12:41:13 <Luukland> Germany :S 12:41:15 <Luukland> pfff 12:41:25 <ThePizzaKing> pfft, English isn't the official language of America 12:41:31 <Luukland> -_- 12:41:32 <Rubidium> it's Spanish :) 12:41:33 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause2: perhaps 'dutch' in that context originated from 'deutsch', german for german :) 12:41:55 <Luukland> Who were the owners of NEW YORK? 12:41:56 <ThePizzaKing> English people wouldn't go on missing 'u's like that 12:42:05 <Luukland> Who build the place: New York? 12:42:15 <TrueBrain> the turtles? 12:42:15 <Luukland> Who sold it for 1 guilder? 12:42:22 <Luukland> The dutch :_) 12:42:41 <Luukland> once, we had New York :P 12:42:57 <Luukland> called: "New Amsterdam" 12:43:04 <Rubidium> exactly, so you didn't have NY 12:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> at one point, the city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania had over 50% inhabitants of german origin 12:43:12 * Tobin waves 12:43:16 <Zr40> Luukland: according to wikipedia, you're wrong 12:43:30 <Tobin> Did I miss anything in the months I've been away? 12:43:31 <Zr40> the Duke of York took New Amsterdam by force and renamed it to New York 12:43:36 <TrueBrain> Zr40: lol! Good argument: wikipedia ;) 12:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's on the internet, it must be right!! 12:43:55 <TrueBrain> if NY would still be called NA, would that sell drugs too? 12:44:00 <TrueBrain> that = they 12:44:09 <Luukland> :P 12:44:11 <Luukland> maybe 12:44:16 <Luukland> Zr40 i am not wrong 12:44:16 <Rubidium> only in American sized portions 12:44:25 <TrueBrain> I am starting to dislike blitters... 12:44:27 <Zr40> Eddi|zuHause2: that's exactly why I mentioned Wikipedia in the first place 12:44:52 <Luukland> Wikipedia = not an officiel source 12:45:02 <Luukland> everyone can change it 12:45:02 <Zr40> Luukland: what's your official source, then? 12:45:07 <Luukland> hmm one moment 12:45:08 <glx> uncy :) 12:45:13 <TrueBrain> his teacher!!!!! 12:45:16 <Luukland> i had it right here :p 12:45:25 <TrueBrain> and of course his teacher can't be wrong :) 12:45:55 <Rubidium> lets go on war with the English ;) (like we did last time) 12:46:00 <Zr40> TrueBrain: on your earlier point: just because something is editable doesn't mean it's incorrect by definition 12:46:12 <TrueBrain> Zr40: I never said anything remotely like it :) 12:46:21 <TrueBrain> I just liked your argumentation: according to wikipedia 12:46:27 <TrueBrain> like it was some authority on this :) 12:46:54 <Zr40> just wanted to point out I'm not pretending to be authoritative or using such source :) 12:47:41 <Luukland> :P 12:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> Rubidium: last time == 1066? 12:49:29 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548a5caa.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:49:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause2: NL with the island of Scilly 12:50:00 <Rubidium> *Isles 12:50:06 <Luukland> Zr40: I can't find my source, so i guess you are right 12:50:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> Rubidium: that does not ring any bells... 12:50:49 <Zr40> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Hundred_and_Thirty_Five_Years%27_War 12:50:50 <Zr40> that one? 12:51:01 <Rubidium> Zr40: yes, that one ;) 12:51:27 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:53:11 <Zr40> the 38-minute war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zanzibar_War 12:53:38 <Rubidium> I still prefer those 335 years of war ;) 12:54:06 <Zr40> depends on your point of view :) 12:54:14 <Zr40> the 38-minute war did have casualties 12:54:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... we germans only made it to a 30 years war... 12:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> which was fought mainly against ourselves :p 12:54:32 <Zr40> but during the 335 year one not even a single shot was fired :) 12:54:32 <Luukland> :S 12:54:41 <Luukland> wtf 12:54:48 <Luukland> and they call that war? 12:54:51 <TrueBrain> hmm, this is #openttd, not? 12:55:00 <Zr40> TrueBrain: correct 12:55:04 <TrueBrain> ah, pfew :) 12:55:11 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yes, but you really should've known about that war :) 12:55:12 <TrueBrain> I was starting to worry :) 12:55:14 <Zr40> TrueBrain: while we're at it, could you remove that +b please? :) 12:55:23 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I stopped reading 10 minutes ago 12:55:30 <TrueBrain> Zr40: why? 12:55:38 <Zr40> TrueBrain: else I can't return :) 12:55:41 <TrueBrain> so? 12:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> Luukland: yes, and it caused the death of like 2/3 of the german population 12:55:44 <TrueBrain> @kick Zr40 12:55:44 *** Zr40 was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [TrueBrain] 12:55:44 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:55:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: because it's both the longest war and the war with the least casualties 12:56:05 <Luukland> hmmm... 12:56:15 <Zr40> TrueBrain: err.? I haven't seen it get removed 12:56:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: why are you talking to me? I said I stopped reading, I never said I didn't know about any ware 12:56:25 <Luukland> why don't you guys make a: OTTDW 12:56:26 * TrueBrain laughs hard in Zr40 his face 12:56:36 <Luukland> Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe War :P 12:56:57 <Rubidium> Luukland: that's called Brianetta's Deathmatch 12:57:10 <Luukland> yes? It excists? 12:57:10 <Luukland> :P 12:57:16 <Luukland> (starts up google) 12:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can't believe there are people who actually fall for such a +b :p 12:57:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c210-49-162-211.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:57:36 <Zr40> ah, I see 12:57:39 <Zr40> it's an invalid one 12:59:05 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: people never stop amazing me... 12:59:08 <Zr40> I didn't see. 12:59:33 <Zr40> it's just a sneaky /me :) 12:59:48 <Luukland> Rubidium: I mean a totally different game, just a game with uses the same maps, different industries, and some war vehicles ^^ 13:00:10 <Luukland> (sounds fun anyway) 13:00:39 <Luukland> and on that serious bombshell, Luukland will leave the show 13:00:52 <Luukland> ciau everyone !! :) 13:00:54 *** Luukland [~Luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik wacht, en ik wacht, al sinds februari wacht ik. Ik vraag mijn zelf af: hoelang moet ik nog wachten, want er lijkt geen einde aan te komen...] 13:00:57 <TrueBrain> bye 13:01:26 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:03:56 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 13:10:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:46 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 13:20:54 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@81-233-244-56-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:00 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@81-233-244-56-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:28:04 *** kaan [jfk@82.192.152.195] has joined #openttd 13:28:12 <kaan> hey all 13:28:51 <TrueBrain> hi kaan 13:30:41 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:26 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:34:37 <kaan> TrueBrain: I was thinking that when you get aorund to make that webpage with the brachs info then maybe it should contain tags too :) 13:35:05 <TrueBrain> ah, let me create that for you 13:35:33 <kaan> great :) 13:35:49 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:10 <RamboRonny> whats the best game of all time? 13:36:19 <kaan> tetris 13:36:32 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.branches 13:36:35 <TrueBrain> kaan: that is what you want? 13:36:37 <RamboRonny> I'd say starcraft, or ttd :) 13:37:15 <kaan> hmm, id rather have the complete path from root 13:37:24 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.tags 13:37:25 <kaan> and it needs trunk as well :) 13:37:30 <TrueBrain> k 13:37:52 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:07 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 13:38:14 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:39:27 <kaan> actually the complete path including svn:// would be the best 13:39:54 <Rubidium> doesn't svn ls svn://svn.openttd.org/branches work? 13:40:30 <kaan> maybe, but this way you guys get to control what branches are available for bottd 13:41:12 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.tags 13:41:14 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/nightly/.branches 13:41:15 <TrueBrain> should work 13:41:33 <kaan> brilliant :) 13:41:40 <kaan> thanks TrueBrain :D 13:41:50 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: besides, it is kind of slow, and kind of SVNServe intense :) 13:42:45 <TrueBrain> there, some minor updates :) 13:43:29 <kaan> nice, trunk belongs on top of the list :) 13:43:34 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-101-137.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:43:37 <TrueBrain> list is updated every night 13:43:52 <kaan> im guessing around 20:00 CET ;) 13:43:56 <TrueBrain> no 13:43:58 <TrueBrain> somewhere much later 13:44:06 <TrueBrain> as it doesn't really matter :) 13:44:36 <kaan> oki, its much more often than needed anyway ;) 13:45:16 <kaan> ill get to work on my end now :P 14:07:03 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:12:38 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl4-208-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:13:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:13:56 <Wolf01> hello 14:14:08 <kaan> hi :) 14:14:17 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:47 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest467 14:15:48 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host53-161-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:15:48 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 14:17:58 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl10-64-179.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:07 *** Digitalfox_ is now known as Digitalfox 14:20:52 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 14:21:05 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:22:00 *** Guest467 [~wolf01@host226-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b849be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 14:30:23 <blathijs> kaan: What are you building? 14:31:44 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:26 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.149] has joined #openttd 14:41:47 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 14:43:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9958 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Fix (r9892): upgrading old savegames made (road)bridges unuseable. 14:48:16 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:19 *** |2rB [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:33 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 15:23:39 *** paolo [~paolo@adsl-ull-41-191.41-151.net24.it] has joined #openttd 15:26:04 <Wolf01> oh, another italian 15:28:02 <paolo> Hi, talking about me? 15:28:35 <Wolf01> seem so 15:30:07 <paolo> @Wolf01: are you italian,too? 15:30:21 <Wolf01> yes 15:30:23 <Sacro|Laptop> indeed... and he's stupid :p 15:30:50 <Wolf01> thank you for remember this, Sacro :) 15:30:59 <paolo> :) 15:31:35 <Sacro|Laptop> Wolf01: thank you for having it as your signature :p 15:33:14 <Wolf01> it doesn't seem to be there, and for a long time 15:50:17 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:30 <kaan> done :) 15:51:50 <kaan> blathijs: im the author of the program BuildOTTD 15:52:07 <blathijs> Ah, I think I read about that :-) 15:52:13 <blathijs> Useful thing 15:52:15 <kaan> more info here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=31823 15:52:27 <kaan> ah ok :) 15:52:33 <kaan> im glad you like it :) 15:59:29 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498F8B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:22 <Ammler> kaan, is it hard to make it .net-independent? 16:02:16 <peter1138> depends if you consider "rewrite from scratch ditching most of it" hard... 16:02:49 <Ammler> :), ok 16:03:33 <Ammler> just because .net won't be installed on WXP per default 16:04:00 <hylje> not to mention a lot of other operating systems 16:06:06 <kaan> well it obviusly something i have given a lot of thought 16:06:07 <Ammler> hmm, is there not a something for running .net apps on linux? 16:06:27 <kaan> Ammler: yes, there is .mono for linux 16:06:38 <kaan> its an open souce implementation of .net 16:06:49 <kaan> well some of it anyway 16:06:55 <Ammler> would your app work with that? 16:07:00 <kaan> no 16:07:29 <hylje> its not like non-redmondian systems need such an utility 16:07:34 <kaan> the conditions for BuildOTTD in windows is that it is build on top of MinGW 16:07:50 <kaan> a linux port doesnt make any sence at all 16:07:58 <kaan> a rewrite would be better 16:08:32 <Zuu> A small shellscript is all needed on linux. If you must automate it at all. 16:09:06 <Zr40> on linux, it's just ./configure && make 16:09:10 <kaan> yes, even though some feel that a linux version could be useful with a pointy clicky interface and all ;) 16:09:10 <Zr40> and you're done 16:09:40 <hylje> Zr40: no. svn up && ./configure && make 16:09:56 <Zr40> hylje: Does BuildOTTD do svn up? 16:10:08 <kaan> yes 16:10:09 <Ammler> kaan: an other idea is to have a server list where you can choose the server and your app does automatically generate the bin for it 16:10:16 <Zr40> well, what hylje said then :) 16:10:46 <kaan> Ammler: you mean to adjust it for other applications as well? 16:11:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:39 <Ammler> no, I mean the server list from here: servers.openttd.org 16:11:43 <XeryusTC> kaan: more like you select which ottd server you want to play on and it makes the appropriate bin 16:11:51 <Zr40> making a shell script for unixy platforms only encourages 'zomg it doesn't work'-type users 16:11:52 <kaan> ohhh 16:11:54 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:00 <kaan> interesting thought 16:14:00 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:00 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:10 <kaan> Zr40: they are here already, it too late for that :P 16:14:32 <Ammler> yeah, me 16:14:40 <kaan> hehe :D 16:14:46 <Zr40> I know, but why accomodate users who don't read READMEs at all? 16:15:36 <Ammler> you should go away from thoughts, every linux user is also a developer 16:15:36 <kaan> Zr40: well theres a case for both sides of that argument :) 16:15:52 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:57 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:16 <Zr40> Ammler: not true. 16:16:17 <glx> at least win9x users that start win32 build now get a nice error box ;) 16:16:31 <Zr40> win9x users should be shot on sight. 16:19:02 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:02 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:18 <kaan> hmmm, no i dont think i will integrate the servers list in bottd 16:23:05 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498F8B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:23:06 <kaan> its quite easy to make a suitable build as it is 16:23:49 <Zr40> servers list? 16:24:11 <kaan> servers.openttd.org 16:24:26 <Zr40> I mean, what use would it be in BuildOTTD? 16:24:33 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^2] 16:24:51 <Ammler> if you would do that, you will get the next problem: grfs 16:25:03 <kaan> exactly 16:25:29 <Zr40> best would be if openttd could download the grfs 16:25:54 *** Alanin is now known as alanin 16:25:57 <Zr40> only redistributable ones, of course 16:25:58 <Ammler> Zr40: that won't happen 16:25:59 <kaan> Zr40: that isnt going to happen 16:26:04 <kaan> ;) 16:26:19 <Zr40> because? 16:26:31 <kaan> dev team dont want to 16:26:40 <Zr40> ...because? :) 16:26:40 <kaan> and i think they are right 16:26:46 <Ammler> you already pointed to it: license 16:26:46 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54affd3d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:55 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498F8B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:58 <Zr40> Ammler: surely there are redistributable grfs 16:27:03 <kaan> too much administration and copyright issues 16:27:06 <Zr40> those could be downloadable by openttd 16:27:19 <Zr40> automatically downloadable, rather 16:27:53 <kaan> there would have to be a rather largish moderator group to handle the problems of that 16:29:26 <kaan> i think the server list is a good solution, you can see what grf you need and there is even links to them 16:29:50 <Ammler> not to them, only to grfcrawler 16:30:01 <kaan> well, close enough :) 16:30:06 <Zr40> I don't see the problem. A grf is either distributable, or isn't. 16:30:13 <kaan> no 16:30:18 *** alanin is now known as Alanin 16:30:19 <Ammler> not every grf is listed there 16:30:22 <kaan> a grf can have any kind of license 16:30:41 <Zr40> that doesn't matter for this 16:30:41 <XeryusTC> Zr40: some grfs are distributable under certain conditions 16:30:43 <kaan> even some that prohibits the use with ottd 16:30:52 <Zr40> XeryusTC: then it's not distributable (in this context) 16:30:52 <Tefad> wtf 16:31:14 <XeryusTC> Zr40: that is discussable ;) 16:31:16 <Zr40> kaan: now what's that nonsense :) 16:31:26 <kaan> Zr40: yes, but how can you tell if you download them aoutomaticly? 16:31:43 <kaan> Zr40: is it? 16:31:44 <Zr40> kaan: store the list of downloadable grfs on a master server 16:32:04 <kaan> that brings us back to administration 16:32:05 <Zr40> kaan: I can't see of any valid reason to prohibit use with openttd 16:32:14 <kaan> there is, and some does 16:32:20 <Ammler> zr40 thats not much 16:32:54 <Tefad> Zr40: because they're "purists" and think ottd kills the essense that is transport tycoon? 16:32:59 <Tefad> heee. 16:33:05 <Zr40> Tefad: and ttdpatch doesn't? :D 16:33:11 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498F8B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 16:33:20 <kaan> Zr40: if you think its a good idea, then start a project and make a standart and a patch for ottd 16:33:28 <Sacro|Laptop> standart? 16:33:34 <Tefad> or they think the GPL will infect their art 16:33:36 <Zr40> last time I looked, ttdpatch 'borrowed' quite some openttd features 16:33:53 <Tefad> i think ottd borrows from ttdpatch too 16:33:57 <Maedhros> not nearly as many as we've borrowed from them :p 16:34:22 <kaan> sometimes its even parralel development, like with rivers recently 16:34:23 <Zr40> Tefad: GRF is data and thus separate from the GPL code 16:34:40 <Tefad> Zr40: i know.. but some people are GPLphobic 16:35:10 <kaan> with good reason, if you want to keep control over your work then its useless 16:35:22 <Zr40> that's like not using linux because the kernel is GPLed and thus everything on your hard drive will be GPLed 16:35:49 <Tefad> Zr40: some people think that way too ; ) 16:36:16 <Zr40> and all those linux servers send out GPL packets, so any receiver will be infected by the GPLzor 16:36:34 <kaan> :D scary 16:37:34 <peter1138> if RMS had his way... 16:38:01 <Kjetil> people are stupid. ( Maybe evolution would kick in too overdrive if stupidity had a deathpenalty ) 16:38:33 <Zr40> Kjetil: that would also solve the environmental problem. 16:42:57 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A66F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:48:09 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@81-233-244-56-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:32 <Zr40> I'm having a lot of trouble finding grfs which prohibit usage in openttd 16:49:47 <Ammler> I guess (hope) there are none 16:49:49 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498F8B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:50 <Maedhros> basetunnels 16:51:42 <skidd13> what about the planeset? 16:52:37 <Sacro|Laptop> yeah, the tunnels by eis_os 16:52:46 <Ammler> not function doesn't mean prohibit 16:53:17 <Sacro|Laptop> they do function 16:53:18 <peter1138> and his bridges 16:53:21 <Sacro|Laptop> but the licence prohibits it 16:53:24 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@81-233-244-56-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:54:00 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:13 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54affd3d.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:33 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:33 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:23 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-154-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:03:25 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-154-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:03:57 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:04:31 *** Alanin is now known as alanin 17:04:56 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:50 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/files/scr177_124.png i very like these basetunnels 17:10:22 <Born_Acorn> Are they basetunnels, or just normal tunnels? :p 17:11:06 <Born_Acorn> I imagine the brick decoration would clip any rail built over the tunnel quite nastily 17:11:11 <Wolf01> they have a railway on the top 17:11:19 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:29 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:30 <Born_Acorn> Ah, wait, I see em now 17:11:30 <Ammler> that are enhanced tunnels, peter1138 is working on them 17:11:39 <Born_Acorn> I was looking at the road ones 17:11:39 <Born_Acorn> :p 17:11:59 <Ammler> they are just not coded yet for ottd 17:12:31 <Wolf01> but maybe they license will allow their use for ottd 17:12:33 <Born_Acorn> Yes yes, I'm aware of that. I read the SVN Digests, so I'd know if they were. :p 17:14:37 <Ammler> Wolf01: I guess, its not a problem of license, its just not implemented in ottd 17:15:24 <Wolf01> you can't build over them, but you can use them, and i like the graphic 17:22:14 *** alanin is now known as Alanin 17:24:27 <peter1138> hmm what? 17:24:59 <peter1138> Born_Acorn: noob 17:27:12 <peter1138> now, where did my 'enhanced' tunnels patch go... 17:27:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9959 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix: Only call GetNextVehicle for trains. 17:36:43 <UndernotBuilder> 41 revisions to r10000 :D 17:41:04 <Born_Acorn> bom bom bom 17:42:27 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.201] has joined #openttd 17:42:39 * Zuu wonders when someone will state that r10000 have allready happened.... 17:43:26 <Rubidium> Zuu: you just did ;) 17:43:40 <Zuu> Rubidium: Ah.. cool :) 17:43:44 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:43:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:45:13 *** Alanin is now known as alanin 17:53:28 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498F8B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:01:53 * Sacro|Laptop hides from the dutchman 18:06:48 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54affd3d.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:15 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:17 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:47 * TrueBrain starts to make random commits 18:10:26 <Sacro|Laptop> TrueBrain: ooh, anthing of interest? 18:10:30 <Born_Acorn> Randomly so? 18:10:30 <TrueBrain> nope 18:11:12 <coronel> My server justed cored! :( 18:11:45 <coronel> Oh, wait, it didn't write a core, because of stupid ulimit-settings. 18:11:52 <coronel> Segmentation fault. 18:12:34 *** paolo is now known as nihil84 18:16:58 <Wolf01> justed :| 18:27:50 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:19 <Bjarni> anything interesting happening? 18:33:21 <hylje> no 18:33:40 <Bjarni> ok 18:33:53 <Bjarni> anything uninteresting happening? 18:33:58 <Noldo> lots 18:34:08 <Noldo> you don't wanna know though 18:34:10 <TrueBrain> [19:43] --> Bjarni has joined this channel (~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk). 18:34:35 <Bjarni> yeah, that's a great event 18:34:38 <Bjarni> or maybe not :p 18:34:50 <TrueBrain> it was one of those uniteresting things happening 18:35:25 <Noldo> I was chopping wood at my wife's grandmother's summen cottage today 18:35:31 <hylje> and i entered this self-referential line here right now 18:35:45 <Noldo> *summer 18:35:46 <Bjarni> Noldo: sounds like fun 18:36:15 * Bjarni likes to cut wood 18:36:20 <Noldo> me too 18:36:28 <Bjarni> almost as much as burning it later on 18:36:38 <Bjarni> it just has to dry for a long time though 18:36:46 <Noldo> but I'd rather do it somewhere else 18:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> how much wood would a wood cut chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? 18:36:52 <Bjarni> heh 18:37:06 <Noldo> that cottage is so loaded with family feuds 18:37:27 <Bjarni> well, when I saw/cut wood, I usually do it in the forest 18:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> s/cut/chuck/ 18:38:08 <Noldo> the woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood 18:38:08 <Sacro|Laptop> mmm, burning 18:38:40 *** moe [~Maui_key@p5498f8b6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:49 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: you like to set stuff on fire? 18:40:27 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop: I'm scared now, you're a pyromaniac... 18:40:44 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: yes, i love burning things... 18:40:48 <Bjarni> lolman: didn't you know that? 18:40:51 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: more of an arsonist 18:40:54 <lolman> Bjarni: I didn't 18:41:02 <Bjarni> Sacro is a maniac 18:41:03 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop: abandon the meet then :P 18:41:40 <Wolf01> -Feature(tte): allow terraforming under bridges. thank you Rubidium :D 18:41:55 <hylje> :o 18:41:57 <hylje> what 18:42:16 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: i shall bring matches :D 18:42:29 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop: argh! 18:42:34 * Bjarni looked at some matches earlier today 18:42:34 <hylje> D: 18:42:50 <Bjarni> but I'm not telling anybody where that was 18:43:05 <Bjarni> by telling nobody, I can insure that nobody will tell Sacro 18:43:17 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:17 <Sacro|Laptop> i have matches in the kitchen 18:43:22 <lolman> Ack 18:43:29 <Sacro|Laptop> for lighting the curtains 18:43:29 <Bjarni> what kitchen? 18:43:30 <lolman> We're all doomed 18:43:31 <Sacro|Laptop> i mean... oven 18:43:44 <Bjarni> the black one? 18:44:35 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: how much do you smoke a day? 18:44:51 <Bjarni> I mean like 3 houses or a whole pack? 18:45:04 <hylje> i think we're counting in towns here 18:45:45 <lolman> Sacro's a madman, he burns major landmarks 18:45:46 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: i don't smoke 18:45:59 <Sacro|Laptop> i just like to burn thingw 18:46:00 <lolman> Sacro|Laptop: been to London recently? 18:46:12 <Sacro|Laptop> lolman: not since... 1400s 18:46:29 <Sacro|Laptop> oh, apart from that trip to Hemel Hempstead last year... 18:46:32 <lolman> You're over 500 years old? O_o 18:47:03 <Sacro|Laptop> :p 18:48:54 <Sacro|Laptop> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/2932070.stm 18:49:00 <Sacro|Laptop> that was just across the road from my mums house 18:50:15 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/firebox.jpg <--- speaking of fire... I took this picture today 18:50:19 <Bjarni> like 3 hours ago 18:50:46 <Sacro|Laptop> oooh 18:50:53 <Sacro|Laptop> thats ready for some sausages 18:51:43 <TrueBrain> and why exactly do you upload that on openttd dev-space? 18:51:54 <TrueBrain> it aint a private storage Bjarni 18:51:59 <Bjarni> because... where else would I put it? :) 18:52:32 <TrueBrain> let it be your first, and hopefully last, warning 18:52:32 <Bjarni> also I plan on removing it in a moment 18:52:58 <Sacro|Laptop> :o angry TrueBrain 18:53:13 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54affd3d.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:18 <Bjarni> <Sacro|Laptop> that was just across the road from my mums house <-- and you happened to be at her place that day, right? 18:55:13 <Bjarni> btw have everybody seen the pic? 18:55:20 <Bjarni> if so, then I will remove it 18:55:22 <TrueBrain> still pushing it... 18:55:23 <TrueBrain> very sad 18:55:47 <Bjarni> gone 18:56:43 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest482 18:56:43 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host53-161-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:56:44 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 18:56:55 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: actually, i wasn't 18:57:55 <Bjarni> you were in front of her place? 18:58:31 <Sacro|Laptop> nope, i was at my dad's 18:58:36 <Sacro|Laptop> about 10 miles away 19:00:56 <Bjarni> ... 19:01:10 <Bjarni> do people in Hull know who their dad is? 19:01:14 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:19 <Sacro|Laptop> errr... some 19:01:27 <XeryusTC> lol Bjarni 19:03:37 <lolman> Some being Sacro and 1 other? 19:03:53 <Bjarni> like his brother 19:03:54 *** Guest482 [~wolf01@host53-161-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:59 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: Hull isn't that bad 19:04:15 <lolman> Yes it is, it's the worst place to live in the UK :P 19:04:22 <Sacro|Laptop> not now 19:04:26 <Sacro|Laptop> we moved to 7th 19:04:35 <Bjarni> but it will be in 5 minutes 19:04:41 <Sacro|Laptop> beaten by places like Corby, and Glasgow 19:04:54 <Bjarni> is Glasgow that bad? 19:05:00 <lolman> Probably 'cause you burned the rest of the towns in the UK to the ground ;) 19:06:16 <Sacro|Laptop> :o 19:06:58 <Bjarni> maybe Hull improved because some of the bad guys were murdered or jailed 19:07:10 <Sacro|Laptop> indeed... 19:07:23 <Sacro|Laptop> actually, murderers seem to be following me 19:07:34 <Bjarni> I hate to imagine why 19:07:48 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A66F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:07:50 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/art4.png, let's call it progress 19:08:17 <Born_Acorn> What is the ultimate aim of the progress? 19:08:17 <Sacro|Laptop> TrueBrain: looks more broken 19:08:21 <peter1138> nice 19:08:27 <TrueBrain> and still, we call it progress 19:08:40 <Bjarni> looks ok compared to what it used to look like 19:08:52 <Bjarni> btw don't add , at the end of URLs :p 19:08:55 <Born_Acorn> It from what I can see in the screenshot, it's either to get everything squiggly, or remove all squiggly. 19:10:29 <mikegrb> Bjarni: seems http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/firebox.jpg is like some photos I have taken 19:10:49 <mikegrb> Bjarni: looks quite like an http 404 19:10:50 * mikegrb runs 19:10:55 <Bjarni> :p 19:11:07 <mikegrb> [13:55] <@Bjarni> if so, then I will remove it 19:11:08 <mikegrb> ahh 19:11:22 <mikegrb> I saw it in the rs feed for the channel 19:11:32 <mikegrb> rss 19:11:44 <Bjarni> you just made me think that you had access to steam trains :s 19:11:45 <hylje> TrueBrain: zomg, foundations? 19:12:00 <hylje> mikegrb: you irc using rss feeds? 19:12:06 <hylje> how very ingenious 19:12:13 <mikegrb> hylje: doesn't everybody? ;) 19:12:26 <mikegrb> http://thegrebs.com/irc/urls/rss/openttd.html <-- here 19:12:27 <Born_Acorn> I use email. 19:12:28 <Bjarni> I just get a whole lot of lines into my IRC client 19:12:43 <Bjarni> lol@Born_Acorn 19:12:47 <mikegrb> also http://thegrebs.com/irc/urls/openttd.html 19:12:54 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:54 <peter1138> so beware of what URLs you paste 19:13:11 <peter1138> i'd appreciate it if you didn't run that shit 19:13:40 <mikegrb> sorry, I thought it was a public channel 19:13:47 <mikegrb> the logs are already online 19:13:50 <Born_Acorn> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/art2.png <-- I now see why art4 is an improvement. D: 19:13:58 <Bjarni> usually when I post something, the explanation is told in the next line, making that page more or less useless 19:14:05 <peter1138> it's irc, there's no free about it 19:14:17 <Bjarni> it's not freeIRC 19:14:35 <Born_Acorn> Is it payasmallamountIRC? 19:14:35 <Bjarni> mikegrb: the thing is that you take the URLs out of context 19:14:51 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: it's SellYourAuntIRC 19:15:04 <Born_Acorn> ahh 19:15:13 <Born_Acorn> Not childrenasdownpaymentIRC then. 19:15:18 *** geoffk [~geoffk@host86-130-151-243.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:23 <Bjarni> how else should I be able to get rich without doing anything? 19:15:39 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:50 <Bjarni> Born_Acorn: no, and nothing about making them either 19:16:45 <Bjarni> well, Sacro would charge sex for IRC access if he could 19:17:29 <peter1138> oh bjarni 19:17:42 <peter1138> can you fix autoreplace of mutlihead stuff by any chance? 19:17:52 <Sacro|Laptop> sex for irc? 19:18:17 <Bjarni> see that caught his attention 19:18:26 <Bjarni> Sacro|Laptop: I said that it wouldn't work :p 19:18:59 <Bjarni> peter1138: maybe... if you explain a bit more than just autoreplace+multihead because that worked the last time I checked 19:19:46 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: train 0 19:19:50 <XeryusTC> or sth 19:20:03 <Sacro|Laptop> Bjarni: not yet... but who can tell the future 19:20:06 <peter1138> no 19:20:13 <peter1138> having 2 multihead engines 19:20:23 <peter1138> the second set gets squished to the back 19:21:01 <peter1138> (2 multihead as in 4 powered parts) 19:23:39 <Bjarni> hmm 19:23:44 <Bjarni> oh shit 19:24:24 * Bjarni needs to rethink how to deal with the whole idea of his fix yesterday 19:26:20 <mikegrb> Bjarni: now if you click on the date/time it jumps to that point in the logs ;) 19:27:42 <peter1138> http://www.thecommune.org.uk/~lisa/Awesome.jpg 19:27:45 <peter1138> there's a link for you 19:28:33 <Sacro|Laptop> peter1138: thats loading quite slowly... 19:29:23 <XeryusTC> omg peter1138 19:29:49 <mikegrb> they should see a doctor 19:30:15 <SpComb> http://zapotekii.paivola.fi:8185/oftc-ottd <-- while we're on the subject of IRC whatnots... new features! 19:31:11 <SpComb> meaning page up/down, optionally with alt, optionally with shift 19:31:35 <mikegrb> SpComb: the looks is awesome 19:31:54 <peter1138> is it still the silly irssi theme? 19:32:18 <Bjarni> lol. The Japanese train set has no climate available set (or set to all), so it can be used in toyland 19:32:26 <valhallasw> fake irssi! 19:32:48 <Bjarni> how about just using an IRC client like the rest of us? 19:32:49 <SpComb> valhallasw: except it's in many ways very similar to the real irssi :P 19:33:16 <XeryusTC> SpComb: isnt that SpBotII? 19:33:18 <SpComb> it has scrolling, names, banlist, all the stuff in the topic and status bar are real (except usermode) 19:33:31 <SpComb> XeryusTC: that is spbot2/web/ 19:33:37 <XeryusTC> o 19:33:54 <SpComb> as you can see, the nickname 'SpBot' in the status bar... say hi to SpBot 19:33:55 <valhallasw> SpComb: that's pretty neat. but pgup seems kinda laggy 19:34:09 <SpComb> once you scroll up a lot it starts to get slow 19:34:20 <SpComb> resizing is pretty snappy though 19:34:56 <SpComb> (scrolling is linear-time, resizing is constant-time) 19:35:04 <Born_Acorn> #OpenTTD - NSFW 19:35:20 <Born_Acorn> D: 19:35:42 <hylje> D: 19:37:48 <SpComb> peter1138: at one point I realized that my having used irssi with the default theme for wo years might explain why I find that theme so useable 19:38:18 <Born_Acorn> It looks poo though! 19:38:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-37-14.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:23 <Born_Acorn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2y1WwJywnw&mode=related&search= 19:38:26 <Born_Acorn> PSP? right. 19:38:37 <Born_Acorn> PS1 intro! 19:38:45 <SpComb> i does not look poo, it looks very, very familiar 19:38:53 <SpComb> *it 19:39:15 <SpComb> there is an mirc theme, but I'm not sure how well it works atm 19:39:50 <Born_Acorn> Well, I'm sure that if you looked at poo for two years, it'd be very familiar too! 19:40:05 <peter1138> heh 19:40:31 <SpComb> but I think I will be replacing the PageUp/Down scrolling with a normal scrollbar of some sort 19:44:26 <SpComb> currently it works by setting divs as hidden/visible and fetching more when needed, but that means a lot of DOM traversal, which gets very slow 19:44:55 <SpComb> so iterating over a couple hundred divs can take seconds 19:45:08 <SpComb> leading to lots of unwelcome latency 19:47:00 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-37-14.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:51:07 <Zr40> SpComb: can't you reference the divs by index or name? 19:51:31 <Zr40> if you know the currently selected div, you don't need to check them all 19:52:27 <SpComb> I could store a seperate array of elements, it might have some effect on the performance, but I think a scrollbar would probably be better as an ultimate solution 19:53:14 <Zr40> well, I meant something like getElementById('logDiv' + currentDivNumber) 19:54:27 <Born_Acorn> I wonder if I should make a Foster MK11 Supertram. :p 19:55:56 <hylje> and ten years later Foster MK12 Hypertram 19:56:01 *** VonDarkmoor [~Royale85@cm156.sigma146.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 19:59:50 <SpComb> http://zapotekii.paivola.fi:8185/javascripts/spbot.js line 199 is the main bottleneck function (I assume) 20:01:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't assume, profile :) 20:01:40 * Sacro|Laptop is hungry 20:01:44 <Sacro|Laptop> i might go cook something 20:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean like the neighbours house? :) 20:02:32 <Sacro|Laptop> get lost :p 20:02:39 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause2: it's the only function with a loop in it :P 20:02:44 <Bjarni> everybody take good care of your cats. Sacro is hungry 20:02:49 <Sacro|Laptop> the germans did more damage to hull than i ever can 20:03:15 <Bjarni> the Germans made some Hull damage? Did it leak afterwards? 20:03:28 <Sacro|Laptop> indeed it did 20:03:52 <Bjarni> I guess it leaked brain power so you lost it completely 20:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> did they put the emergency force fields on? 20:10:57 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-154-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:11:03 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-154-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 20:14:13 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:14:26 <Zuu> Cool someone actually replaced the old wiki main-page with the new one, though not much more work have been done too it. 20:14:28 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 20:16:00 <Zuu> I really hope now that the new main page is on the front side that someone will spend some time on the graphics, wiki and player resources icons. 20:16:22 * Bjarni nominates Zuu to improve the wiki 20:17:05 <Zuu> Gha, I allready done alot on the new main page... 20:17:16 <Zuu> :) 20:23:32 <Born_Acorn> [21:03:05] <Sacro|Laptop> the germans did more damage to hull than i ever can <-- Yeah, but that was common sense. 20:23:33 <Born_Acorn> :p 20:24:11 <Kjetil> Bjarni: how are things in bjarnia ? 20:24:32 <Bjarni> not as good as they were two minutes ago 20:24:42 <Bjarni> I just ran into some problems fixing a bug :( 20:24:45 <Kjetil> :( 20:24:49 <Bjarni> I thought I had an idea on how to solve it 20:25:05 <Bjarni> well, it should still work, but it's more work than I though 20:25:12 <Bjarni> t 20:25:16 <Kjetil> "It's a feature, not a bug" Look.. fixed :P 20:25:29 <Bjarni> you go ahead and tell peter1138 that :P 20:25:37 <Kjetil> hehe 20:25:47 <Sacro|Laptop> peter1138: it's been reclassified as a feature 20:26:07 <Bjarni> well, it will also fix something Moriaty reported as a bug, but I classified as a feature 20:26:19 <Bjarni> I think that happened more than a year ago 20:26:25 <Kjetil> haha 20:26:45 <Wolf01> night 20:26:48 <Bjarni> day 20:26:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host53-161-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:29:24 * Bjarni decides to stop coding and get some paper to make a new draft on how to deal with this issue 20:29:35 <Bjarni> it should just work this time 20:29:39 <Kjetil> wimp ! :P 20:30:02 <Bjarni> hey it's actually complex code to handle complex issues 20:30:14 <Kjetil> "If I could just redefine the von Neuman architecture it would solve itself" 20:30:24 <Bjarni> :P 20:31:33 <Bjarni> Kjetil: so what are you coding right now? 20:31:49 *** VonDarkmoor [~Royale85@cm156.sigma146.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:16 <Kjetil> Bjarni: nothing.. I am trying to avoid failing my exams :D 20:32:31 <Bjarni> wimp ! :P 20:33:23 *** nihil84 [~paolo@adsl-ull-41-191.41-151.net24.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:30 <Kjetil> hehe 20:33:45 <Bjarni> winners already passed their exams 20:33:55 <Kjetil> hey it's actually complex stuff to handle.. nah.. it's bs 20:34:27 <Kjetil> *timetravels to become a winner* 20:34:31 <Bjarni> you are studying zoology? 20:35:05 <Kjetil> close, but no sigar ( CS ) 20:35:26 <Bjarni> you are studying Counter Strike? 20:35:32 <Kjetil> haha 20:35:35 <Kjetil> yeah :P 20:36:00 <Kjetil> *return to his books* Bye 20:36:01 <Bjarni> interesting mixture 20:36:09 <Bjarni> counterstrike and bs... 20:41:18 <Sacro|Laptop> and bacon 20:41:21 * Sacro|Laptop wants some bacon 20:51:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57a1dcfe.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:31 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 20:57:11 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:58:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54b849be.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:01:45 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:15 <ln-> anyone been to hawaii? 21:06:53 * Rubidium sadly enough not 21:07:12 <Born_Acorn> I've been approximately 0 times. 21:09:02 <Sacro|Laptop> Born_Acorn: you almost got there once? 21:10:01 <Born_Acorn> Yes. But I crashed on an island in the West Pacific 21:10:14 <Born_Acorn> Crazy place it was/ 21:10:35 <glx> were there ice bears? 21:13:33 <ln-> polarbears even? 21:20:56 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-137-33-171.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:25:19 <Bjarni> <ln-> anyone been to hawaii? <-- I have been flying over Hawaii in a flight simulator. Is that good enough? 21:25:58 <Bjarni> I even crashed into Hawaii, but that's another story 21:29:43 <ln-> flights to hawaii are surprisingly cheap. 21:32:54 <ln-> Bjarni: X-Plane? 21:33:39 <Bjarni> F/A-18 Hornet 21:33:56 <Bjarni> the training missions were on Hawaii 21:36:18 *** e1ko [~L@205.117.broadband9.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:41:37 <Ailure> Bjarni 21:41:42 <Ailure> hush hush 21:41:47 <Ailure> or the US goverment get's you 21:41:58 <Ailure> It's not a flight simulator 21:42:00 <Ailure> it's a terrorist simulator 21:42:46 <Ailure> hmm 21:42:55 <Ailure> I should play with the anarchy simulator a bit before I get to sleep 21:42:59 * Ailure downloads latest nightly 21:43:09 *** BaXXsTeR [~dj_baxx12@101-159-71-193.rkl.no] has joined #openttd 21:43:32 <BaXXsTeR> Hi I'we wounder where I can locate the multiplayer config? 21:43:44 <BaXXsTeR> I have it on a linux server without X 21:43:54 <glx> it's in openttd.cfg 21:44:14 <glx> this file is created after the first run 21:44:20 <Jerub> hrm. just having tried playing on a 1024x1024 map vs a 128x128 map, its seems the original AI simply can't handle doing anything on a large scale. 21:44:31 <BaXXsTeR> glx, can't see the file tho :\ 21:44:41 <BaXXsTeR> locate didn't find it 21:44:41 <XeryusTC> BaXXsTeR: run ottd once 21:44:44 <XeryusTC> it will create the file 21:45:00 <Ailure> Jerub: You're right 21:45:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C9CB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:09 <Ailure> anything above 256x256 and the AI sucks for some reason 21:45:24 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:25 <glx> lack of I probably :) 21:45:31 <Ailure> lol 21:45:38 <BaXXsTeR> now it's started 21:45:40 <Ailure> It's more like AS 21:45:43 <BaXXsTeR> can i kill it now? 21:45:44 <Ailure> or AR 21:45:59 <glx> BaXXsTeR: not kill, but exit properly 21:46:03 <BaXXsTeR> ok 21:46:08 <BaXXsTeR> there we go! 21:46:09 <BaXXsTeR> Thanks 21:46:12 <Jerub> Ailure: well, if the ai can't handle it, it should be only given a 256x256 sized playpen to have. 21:46:15 <Jerub> :p 21:46:45 <Jerub> It's probably got an N**3 or N**4 algorithm and with a >256 that just blows up. 21:46:56 <BaXXsTeR> what year maglev will be avaible? 21:47:07 <Ailure> around 2020 21:47:10 <BaXXsTeR> Ty 21:47:12 <Ailure> with orginal trainset 21:47:34 <Ailure> I rarely play the orginal trainset xD 21:47:50 <Ailure> maglev comes earlier in some trainsets, but isn't as "overpowered" 21:47:57 <BaXXsTeR> I see 21:48:06 <BaXXsTeR> what is actualy generation seed? 21:48:17 <Ailure> generation seed? 21:48:20 <Ailure> where do you see that? 21:48:25 <BaXXsTeR> generation_seed = 3368764164 21:48:28 <Ailure> Do you mean "Random seed" in world generation window? 21:48:33 <BaXXsTeR> yeah 21:48:39 <Ailure> it's just a number for the landscape generator 21:48:53 <Ailure> as random generators works on computers, they usually want a starting number 21:48:56 <Ailure> which is called a seed 21:49:04 <Ailure> xd 21:49:11 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C9CB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:49:26 <glx> it's useful of you want to regenerate the same landscape 21:49:37 <Ailure> yeah 21:49:57 <Ailure> heh reminds me about Civ IV 21:50:02 <Ailure> people realized in a screenshot thread 21:50:11 <Ailure> that the random seed wasn't so random XD 21:50:40 <Ailure> that was fixed in a patch though 21:50:42 <BaXXsTeR> on server bind ip, shoul'd it be external or internal IP? 21:51:07 <XeryusTC> only matters if you want the server to listen on a certain ip 21:51:14 <glx> let it 0.0.0.0 if your server has only one card 21:51:15 <XeryusTC> 0.0.0.0 means it listens on every ip IIRC 21:51:20 <Ailure> ah 21:51:21 <Ailure> I didn't notice 21:51:28 <Ailure> someone added very low option to town and industries 21:51:29 <Ailure> :) 21:51:41 <Ailure> That was something I wanted for a really long time 21:54:53 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54AFFD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:23 *** TinoM|Mobil [~tino@i5387C9CB.versanet.de] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 21:58:03 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:32 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:13 *** dihedral [~dihedral@p54AFFD3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> <BaXXsTeR> what is actualy generation seed? <- if you enter the same seed number, you get the exact same map again 22:11:17 <Rubidium> (under the assumption that all other settings that are used for map generation are the same) 22:13:06 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.201/openTTD/testing/Stanwich%20Transport,%2028th%20May%201920.png 22:13:23 <Ailure> makes me wonder if it's possible for buildings to spread along tramways :p 22:13:36 <Ailure> probably not 22:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> more probably yes... 22:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i don't know either 22:15:04 <Ailure> I probably notice 22:15:07 <Ailure> sooner or later 22:15:11 <Ailure> if it's the case 22:15:54 <Born_Acorn> Doesn't the Bus Stop icon get replaced in TTDPatch? 22:16:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> trams definitely need a more lightweight catenary 22:16:19 <Ailure> yeah 22:16:24 <Ailure> the catenary poles 22:16:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> one that does not place 2 million pylons 22:16:26 <Ailure> are a bit too thick 22:16:37 <glx> there's a grf for that 22:16:39 <Ailure> heh 22:16:41 <Ailure> I saw 22:16:44 <Born_Acorn> They aren't too thick, there's just too many of em! 22:16:44 <Ailure> I probably get it later :p 22:16:59 <Ailure> hmm point 22:17:10 <Ailure> it probably wouldn't be as noticeable if they weren't two and two closely together 22:17:22 <Born_Acorn> The German ones have gotten the amount of poles right on, but they're a bit thin 22:17:52 <Born_Acorn> As thin as the wires themselves! 22:17:55 <Born_Acorn> madness! 22:18:32 <peter1138> nobody is ever happy 22:19:13 <Ailure> people always find something to whine about :) 22:20:06 <Born_Acorn> Breathing is too much work. 22:24:26 <Ailure> :) 22:24:31 <Ailure> But seriously, I enjoy the trams so far 22:24:45 <Ailure> shame that there's no complete tram-sets so far 22:24:48 <Ailure> but there's a few promising ones 22:27:33 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57a0e2db.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:27 *** e1ko [~L@205.117.broadband9.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: bye, Im going off] 22:28:30 <kaan> There, i did it, i agreed with Rubidium on the forums :P 22:28:54 <ln-> what the hell, i cannot build a tram station if the town owns the road, i.e. always? 22:29:10 <kaan> there is a patch option to fix that 22:29:27 <Ailure> yeah 22:32:43 <ln-> i'm not sure if it was good you told me, because i got shocked by the translation of that option. 22:33:52 <Ammler> hmm, TTD is still available: http://www.classicgamingpresents.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=48&gclid=CMjE_tbEu4sCFSEPZwoddxjfww 22:34:29 <Ailure> I'm not really sure if that's a legal copy 22:34:30 <Ailure> << 22:34:57 <Ailure> Q: What do we sell? 22:34:57 <Ailure> A: All the games mentioned on this site are Abandonware. We do not sell these games. What we do sell, is the ability to play these games on Windows XP. The money that you pay, is ONLY buying our software and packaging costs. 22:35:02 <Ailure> xDDDD 22:35:27 <peter1138> heh 22:35:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> what? 22:35:30 <Ailure> Sounds like you're paying for TTDpatch if you buy TTD there 22:35:45 <Ailure> I wouldn't be surprised if it was TTDPatch in modified form :/ 22:35:55 <Ailure> But i'm not wasting five pounds to find out 22:36:03 <peter1138> they wouldn't know how 22:37:47 <Ailure> most older games can run under dosbox or just needs a 'hack' to work under WinXP 22:37:59 <Ailure> usually changing or disabling something outright 22:38:18 <Ailure> like the first command and conquer 22:38:30 <Ailure> the way it looks for a IPX network at start breaks with Win XP 22:38:48 <Ailure> but that was fixable replacing some dll with a dummy 22:39:20 <Sacro> eej 22:39:23 <Sacro> jasper back on irc 22:39:51 <Ailure> I'm actually curious what exactly with TTDX that broke with WinXP 22:39:56 <Ailure> and how the ttdpatch devolopers fixed that 22:42:47 <peter1138> magic 22:43:06 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x535ca25f.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:19 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl4-208-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:45:36 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl4-208-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 22:46:35 *** kaan [jfk@82.192.152.195] has quit [] 22:46:43 <Tefad> Ailure: i'm guessing it was some kernel call 22:46:52 <Tefad> or something wonky with gdi/directx 22:47:18 <Ailure> heh 22:47:20 <Ailure> usually is 22:48:18 <Tefad> ms always changing things and not keeping backward compatibility 22:48:23 <Ailure> actually 22:48:34 <Tefad> at least in *NIX you can recompile your broken crap 22:48:35 <Ailure> If there's something Windows is good at 22:48:40 <Ailure> its backwards compatility 22:48:49 <Ailure> yes that's true but heh 22:48:54 <Ailure> it assumes you have the source D: 22:49:12 <Tefad> and if you don't you're either using something silly, or windows.. (well. . .) 22:49:15 <Ailure> applications from Windows 1.0 can run under the 16-bit subsystem 22:49:20 <Ailure> with a bit of modification 22:49:23 <Ailure> in Win XP 22:49:24 <Rubidium> Tefad: or writing very ugly hacks to retain backward compatibility 22:49:37 <Tefad> Rubidium: LD_PRELOAD for the win. 22:49:45 <Tefad> or whatever it is : ) 22:49:45 <Ailure> yeah 22:49:52 <Ailure> Windows probably have lots of hacks in it 22:50:01 <Ailure> to keep backwards compatibility 22:50:01 <Tefad> it /can/ be done for unix/linux 22:50:05 <Ailure> probably rather ugly ones too 22:50:12 <Tefad> but meh, easier to recompile : ) 22:51:21 <Ailure> yeah 22:51:29 <Ailure> no need for checks too 22:52:53 <Born_Acorn> hmm 22:53:02 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-154-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:53:05 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-154-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has left #openttd [] 22:53:06 <Born_Acorn> Whats worse is that I play some of those games on Vista. 22:53:11 <Born_Acorn> With no mods needed. 22:54:00 <Ailure> hmm 22:54:08 <Ailure> didn't they remove the 16bit subsystem in vista? 23:00:22 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00:53 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 23:02:15 *** XeryusTC is now known as Guest494 23:02:15 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 23:03:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-37-14.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:33 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-37-14.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:04:48 *** Guest494 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:02 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-37-14.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:19 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:06:34 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 23:07:54 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-37-14.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:18:59 <UndernotBuilder> will town founding patch go into trunk sometimes with(out) modifications? 23:27:35 <peter1138> everything is modified 23:29:05 <peter1138> nini 23:31:27 *** VonDarkmoor [~Royale85@cm156.sigma146.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 23:31:44 <Jerub> Well, Hard 128x128 maps are really quite challenging. 23:32:00 <BaXXsTeR> in multiplayer games, can I type something in the serverconsole to make the years go faster? 23:32:07 <Jerub> Who knew, buses are worth it on that scale :p 23:32:47 <BaXXsTeR> aand, what you recommend here: Client #7 is slow, try increasing *net_frame_freq to a higher value! 23:33:00 *** Blowfish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has joined #openttd 23:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> BaXXsTeR: no, because you have no way that all clients can keep in synch with different speeds 23:35:12 <glx> and client #7 already has problems to keep in sync 23:35:24 <BaXXsTeR> how can I see who's client 7? 23:35:34 *** Blowfish is now known as |2rB 23:35:37 <glx> type "clients" in console 23:35:41 <BaXXsTeR> k, ty 23:36:05 <BaXXsTeR> both connected external 23:36:10 <BaXXsTeR> have slow net_frame 23:36:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:37:58 *** Twofish [~Twofish@195.204.107.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:36 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-50-36.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 23:47:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:56:27 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-101-137.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:40 *** UndernotBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.149] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]]