Log for #openttd on 20th June 2007:
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02:34:25  <TheJosh> hello
02:35:52  <Belugas> hello
02:35:59  <Belugas> nice work you did, btw
02:36:49  <TheJosh> Thankyou. ill take that as you liking it?
02:39:10  <Belugas> yes indeed
02:41:59  <TheJosh> now ofcourse theres the issue of geting it into trunk... :)
02:44:17  <Digitalfox> What issue TheJosh ?? We just need to send some money to belugas, i'm sure he wouldn't mind :) Right Belugas ?? ;)
02:44:25  <Belugas> to be honest, TheJosh, i made myself a commitment to work exclusively on newindustries, which i do at the moment.
02:44:47  <Belugas> until it is done, i won't touch anyting else, no mattter how pleasant or good it may be
02:44:50  <Belugas> sorry...
02:45:00  <Belugas> money?
02:45:02  <Belugas> good!
02:45:04  <Belugas> plenty!!
02:45:09  <TheJosh> so Belugas, do you have paypal?
02:45:29  <TheJosh> whats yoir prefferred currecncy?
02:45:36  <Belugas> in gold :)
02:46:07  <TheJosh> my sisters boyfriend is a jeweller, i can get you some if you want
02:46:14  <TheJosh> few grams
02:50:22  <Belugas> hehhe
02:52:54  <TheJosh> hmm, what other developers are on
02:53:10  * TheJosh wonders the best way to suck up
02:56:28  <TheJosh> so glx...
02:56:42  <glx> hmm?
02:57:20  <TheJosh> im just joking around have svn access right?
02:57:27  <TheJosh> do you accept gold?
02:57:41  <glx> yes, but I don't have time :)
02:58:15  <TheJosh> there must be someone here that will swap a commit for gold (or money)
02:58:36  <glx> at that time?
02:58:41  <glx> good luck :)
02:58:56  <TheJosh> what time is it?
02:59:04  <glx> [04:59:04] <TheJosh> what time is it?
02:59:36  <TheJosh> dang...ill come back in a few hours
03:00:03  <TheJosh> what are you doing on the net at 5am?
03:00:33  <glx> heading for my bed :D
03:00:43  <Belugas> as I will shortly :D
03:01:14  <TheJosh> when is a good time for people? tis midday here
03:01:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r10231 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: MSVC project files
03:02:18  <glx> most devs are in CEST
03:03:13  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r10232 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp:
03:03:13  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix(r1): _numof_industry_table never was composed of 12 entries. Only 11.
03:03:13  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: It never hurt before, but it would have...
03:03:14  <TheJosh> CEST where?
03:03:29  <glx> europe
03:03:42  <Belugas> i'm the only one on another continent (north america)
03:04:02  <TheJosh> ah ok. well sleep well
03:04:27  <glx> night all :)
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03:05:12  <Belugas> same for me...
03:05:14  <Belugas> night all
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07:28:18  <dihedral> good morning
07:28:31  <dihedral> seems awfully quiet in here!
07:35:14  <hylje> no
07:35:20  <hylje> it is peaceful
07:36:51  <dihedral> thats a way of putting it
07:37:38  <Rubidium> the silence before the storm?
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07:46:45  <|Gekkko|> I'm here
07:46:51  <|Gekkko|> therefore the world will end
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07:48:47  <hylje> :o
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08:45:19  <Chris82> good morning
08:45:24  <Chris82> is peter here? :)
08:45:54  <Chris82> just read your reply:, unfortunately it didn't fix the issue :(
08:46:34  <peter1138> yes
08:46:43  <peter1138> you need to up the saveload version too
08:47:15  <Chris82> I did so, the savegame was made with 66 so I set the CONDVAR to from 66 and the SAVEGAME_VERSION is now 67 in saveload.cpp
08:47:18  <Chris82> but I still get the error
08:48:50  <Chris82> this seems very odd anyway, which unknown tag can the savegame containt when the old setting was S (i.e. do not store in savegame)
08:49:43  <peter1138> huh?
08:49:57  <peter1138> you need to set the CONDVAR to from 67
08:50:02  <peter1138> as it didn't exist in 66
08:50:19  <Chris82> ah ok :D
08:50:22  <Chris82> let me try that
08:52:22  <Chris82> perfect that did the job, thx for the quick help so early in the morning =)
08:53:05  <Phazorx> hmm... can i profile ottd within mingw?
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08:57:09  <peter1138> probably
08:58:25  <Rubidium> depends on whether you can actually profile anything in mingw ;)
08:59:51  <|Gekkko|> the windows version is MinGW?
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09:01:27  <Chris82> Does anybody know how to change the default size of a window with the better graphs patch?
09:01:42  <Chris82> The standard windows seem pretty tiny on a big screen when opened
09:02:47  <Phazorx> Rubidium: that exactly is my question
09:03:39  <Maedhros> Chris82: look for the  static const Widget _<name> and WindowDesc arrays, and change the width and height there
09:03:47  <Phazorx> |Gekkko|: yes, w32
09:03:59  <Rubidium> Phazorx: sounds like a question for some mingw specialists and I don't think we've got them here
09:04:12  <Phazorx> Kaan?
09:04:21  <Chris82> thx, I think I found the correct line :)
09:04:53  <Maedhros> Chris82: you'll have to change all the widget widths and heights too
09:04:59  <Maedhros> yay for pixel-based guis ;)
09:05:25  <Phazorx> yay for search and replace too :)
09:06:01  <Chris82> +static const WindowDesc _history_window_desc = {
09:06:01  <Chris82> +	WDP_AUTO, WDP_AUTO, 640, 256,
09:06:10  <Chris82> I think this is the line for width and height?
09:06:31  <Chris82> it should draw all of the graph windows since they all open with the same size by default
09:07:41  <Maedhros> it should do, perhaps, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't ;)
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09:16:05  <TheJosh> hey all
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09:28:33  <Chris82> Maedhros: Haha well that partially did what I wanted, it only increased the size of the graph itself
09:28:39  <TheJosh> hey i am just interested, whats the demographic of players using different operating systems?
09:28:50  <Chris82> the window has still the same size, so the borders are smaller than the graph and also the title bar
09:29:36  <TheJosh> brb
09:30:22  <Rubidium> TheJosh: very hard to determine; most Windows/OSX people download the binaries, most linux/unix users compile directly from subversion
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09:31:54  <Biff> the linux-binaries takes some time to come out, so you often have to compile
09:32:52  <Chris82> Rubidium: Then I am very constrasty to other people :D I am Windows fanatic, but I only compile OTTD myself :D
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09:33:30  <Phazorx> i tihnk that is easy to determine amongsts active players by putting a poll on download page
09:34:11  <Rubidium> Phazorx: doesn't work, because a lot of people (especially linux) compile straight from subversion and therefor never see that page
09:34:59  <Phazorx> svn probably has stats too
09:35:27  <Rubidium> don't think it tells you the operating system
09:36:08  <Caemyr> Chris82: this is the whole beauty of open source software
09:36:14  <Caemyr> to compile it yourself
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09:37:41  <Caemyr> i`m also a WinNT fanboy, but i compile each new rev of ReactOS myself, even though it takes quite a lot of time...
09:37:55  <Caemyr> i`m getting things ready to compile OTTD as well
09:38:38  <Rubidium> setting up a working build environment under windows is pretty tricky, unless you use buildottd ofcourse
09:38:59  <Caemyr> you have a building environment?
09:39:06  <Caemyr> for win32/gcc?
09:40:39  <Rubidium> well, a user made it. You can find it on the forum and
09:42:22  <Caemyr> if only it works, i cant ask for more
09:42:27  <Caemyr> what gcc can be used?
09:42:44  <Rubidium> "any"
09:42:53  <Caemyr> ah:)
09:42:59  <Caemyr> great thx
09:43:02  <Rubidium> as long as it's gcc-2.95 or more, but 4 is probably best
09:43:09  <Gekkko> can the Win32 version be compiled from GNU/Linux?
09:43:10  <Caemyr> yeah
09:43:15  <Caemyr> 3.4.5 was pretty buggy
09:43:19  <Gekkko> what about GNU/Hurd
09:43:20  <Gekkko> :P
09:43:36  <Noldo> Rubidium: 2.95 might not be good if someone has used stdlib containers
09:43:44  <Noldo> c++ stdlib that is
09:43:56  <Maedhros> it works - the morphos port is compiled with it
09:44:27  <Biff> Chris82: you compile windows yourself?
09:44:28  <Biff> ;)
09:44:41  <Rubidium> gcc 2.95 gives a big load of warnings though
09:45:02  <Chris82> Biff: Yes ;) *jk*
09:45:23  <Chris82> An operating system is nothing that should be open source.
09:45:33  <Caemyr> i`m still amazed seeing what you`ve done with good old ttdlx
09:45:41  <Biff> Chris82: why not?
09:46:05  <Chris82> I am primarily absolutely against open source. Games like OTTD is something ok, but Open Source Anti Virus Tools, Firewall, or even Operating Systems, noooo way I am ever gonna use that.
09:46:23  <Gekkko> Chris82: go away
09:46:24  <Gekkko> >_>
09:46:27  <Noldo> your loss
09:46:29  <Biff> Chris82: so, if the source code of windows would be open, you would delete windows?
09:46:38  <Chris82> Yes, then I'd use Mac OS X
09:46:42  <Gekkko> why
09:46:52  <Gekkko> Mac OS X is partly Open Source
09:46:57  <Chris82> I don't like the idea of every hacker in the world knowing the source code of all software I use
09:46:59  <Gekkko> under a BSD licence
09:47:01  <Noldo> Gekkko: mostly even
09:47:07  <Biff> Chris82: go on, delete it. its partly open source already, alot of students etc have access to the source code of windows
09:47:09  <Gekkko> lol Chris82
09:47:16  <Gekkko> reverse engineering
09:47:23  <Gekkko> you wonder how you have your machine dying.
09:47:28  <Noldo> Chris82: if it's well coded the source won't help
09:47:34  <Chris82> I am computer science student, but it would be new to me that I get Windows Source Code access :D
09:47:47  <Gekkko> seems that you are in the wrong profession
09:47:51  <Gekkko> or going towards it anywho
09:47:52  <Noldo> Chris82: is it's not well coded hiding the source won't help in protecting you
09:48:17  <Gekkko> lol Noldo: Windows secret to security is the //fixme written all through out their source code
09:48:25  <Gekkko> could you imagine Vista written in ASM?
09:48:36  <Chris82> Assembler?
09:48:49  <Noldo> Chris82: And can you tell if windows is well coded?
09:48:57  <Biff> i call troll :-)
09:49:21  <Chris82> No I can't tell because I don't even have the skills to code anything even closely as complex as Windows.
09:49:34  <peter1138> lol
09:49:36  <Chris82> When I see the source I wouldn't be able to tell it as well :p
09:49:43  <Biff> Chris82: more then 1 person makes a operating system
09:49:49  <peter1138> worst argument ever against opensource
09:49:59  <Gekkko> peter1138: agreed.
09:50:08  <Gekkko> I believe in kick ban :)
09:50:11  <Chris82> But speaking of source code, I gotta hurry to uni for my Java exercice :p
09:50:21  <Biff> Gekkko: i belive in free speech
09:50:31  <Chris82> Thanks :)
09:50:33  <TrueBrain> @kick Gekkko I too believe in kicks
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09:50:38  <Gekkko> lol
09:50:39  <TrueBrain> morning all
09:50:44  <Chris82> I have nothing against people who like open source
09:50:49  <Chris82> and I have nothing against Linux
09:50:49  <Noldo> gekko belives in autorejoin
09:50:52  <Gekkko> yep
09:50:55  <Chris82> it's just nothing that I want to use
09:51:00  <TrueBrain> next time it is a ban for 2 minutes :p Mwhahahaha!
09:51:04  <Gekkko> enjoy Vista Chris82
09:51:06  <Gekkko> lolol
09:51:09  <Chris82> I do :)
09:51:12  <Gekkko> <3 DRM
09:51:17  <TrueBrain> Chris82: I have nothing against people who use Windows, I ust wish them good luck keeping it clean ;)
09:51:20  <Biff> Chris82: so you propose that Windows is more secure then a Linux-based operating system?
09:51:42  <Sionide> Chris82, you're *not* going to win this...
09:51:49  <Noldo> Biff: now you are toning he down
09:51:53  <Noldo> *him
09:52:00  <Chris82> Depends on the user. If you're a computer noob a default Win Vista install is at least at a comparable level like Debian for example.
09:52:17  <Chris82> And 99% of all computer users are noobs in my opinion.
09:52:20  <Rubidium> Chris82: so you prefer an OS that no outsider can reviewed properly over an OS that can be reviewed properly by outsiders.
09:52:53  <Chris82> I personally do yes, because I don't believe in all these calling home and NSA registry key theories =D
09:53:13  <Biff> you dont belive in them, but noone can check it out
09:53:13  <TrueBrain> Chris82: but you do suspect Open Source OSes doing that?
09:53:35  <Chris82> I mean the Vista Firewall even blocks the Windows Activation in contrary to the XP Firewall, isn't that a nice improvement :D:D haha
09:53:38  <Gekkko> I laugh at your communist theory.
09:53:57  <Sionide> Chris82, you've got quite a misguided view of open source
09:53:58  <Rubidium> nah, he believes that it is easier to exploit open source OSes than closed source OSes
09:54:18  <Gekkko> I believe no matter what OS you're on, you're gonna get DoS'ed.
09:54:18  <Chris82> That's more my point yes.
09:54:36  <Gekkko> just depends on how your system copes
09:54:38  <Sionide> Chris82, you're misguided, your view is based on nothing except your own assumptions and preconceptions..
09:54:43  <Chris82> No OS calls home or anywhere unless you got hacked or didn't de-activate all this user experience crap which is not only in Windows.
09:54:52  <Sionide> Gekkko, maybe not if you use Tor? :P
09:55:01  <Chris82> It's based on my experience with a Linux Server for 7 years.
09:55:13  <Gekkko> Sionide: lol go Tor
09:55:17  <Gekkko> but I run a web server
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09:55:21  <Gekkko> so no Tor for me
09:55:25  <Chris82> Since I am no computer expert I got hacked 2 times! This didn't happen with my Win 2k3 Server yet which I have for about the same time.
09:55:27  <TrueBrain> You can have a webserver and run Tor
09:55:29  <Gekkko> noone try my IP, it's all closed right now
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09:55:32  <Chris82> Although Windows is much less secure of course.
09:55:35  <Gekkko> TrueBrain: didn't knwo that
09:55:49  <Gekkko> Chris82: tell me again why you are doing BSc?
09:55:57  <TrueBrain> Chris82: haha, that is a bad example to say OpenSource is worse over some Closed Source ;)
09:56:09  <Chris82> Why is it bad?
09:56:09  <TrueBrain> that you just protected your installion poorly ;)
09:56:17  <Rubidium> Chris82: and what was the reason you've got hacked?
09:56:20  <Sionide> Chris82, a friend of mine used to have the same view as you, that it must be easier to hack into open source because you can see the source code, it took me about 10 minutes to convince him otherwise but i'm not wasting my time doing the same for you
09:56:21  <Chris82> Servers are something where Linux and Windows actually share a bigger market
09:56:36  <Gekkko> Sionide: I thought it would be easier to hack too
09:56:39  <Gekkko> but then I thought about it
09:56:45  <Sionide> Gekkko, and saw the light
09:56:46  <Gekkko> my own brain phases an argument
09:56:53  <Gekkko> I <3 my brain
09:56:54  <Sionide> Gekkko, the light of the bulb above your head going on, that is
09:56:56  <Gekkko> it tells me things.
09:56:56  <Gekkko> lol
09:57:02  <TrueBrain> Example: I manage around N windows servers, and 4 * N ^ 2 Linux servers... the Windows servers need to reboot about every month, and are magicly rebooted once in the 3months... the linux servers run for over a year (then I do a kernel update)
09:57:02  <Chris82> Anyway gotta hurry to uni lecture starts in 15 mins :p
09:57:07  <Gekkko> I haven't used Windows at all for 3 weeks
09:57:07  <Chris82> we can continue this later ;)
09:57:09  <TrueBrain> no, we want you to get late :p
09:57:12  <TrueBrain> don't you see?
09:57:20  <Gekkko> I had to use it for gaming :P
09:57:23  <Sionide> Gekkko, 2 years, heh
09:57:25  <Gekkko> Wine was insufficient
09:57:26  <Chris82> haha then you don't know how fast I'm with my bike :p
09:57:35  <Chris82> c ya l8er
09:57:35  <TrueBrain> I want to see ;)
09:57:50  <Sionide> Chris82, with IMglish like that - you'll never win an argument in your life!
09:58:05  <Gekkko> TrueBrain: I love compiling a kernel
09:58:10  <Gekkko> I find it exciting.
09:58:14  <TrueBrain> @kick Sionide blablabla, now that is a nasty thing to say
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09:58:16  <Gekkko> but I'm a weirdo.
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09:58:27  <Sionide> aw
09:58:34  <TrueBrain> Gekkko: it is nice to compile kernels in general :) Just not nice to reboot all the time on production servers ;)
09:58:38  * Sionide keeps quiet
09:58:39  <TrueBrain> clients do not like that ;)
09:58:47  <Noldo> Gekkko: I find it exiting too, I never know when my computer reboots from overheating
09:58:47  <Gekkko> that's true
09:59:03  <Gekkko> I'm about to setup a shell company
09:59:05  <Gekkko> a small one
09:59:08  <Gekkko> Cookie Shell
09:59:10  <Gekkko> xD
09:59:20  <Gekkko> bought teh domain and all.
09:59:22  <TheJosh> csh
09:59:27  <TheJosh> cksh
09:59:27  <Gekkko> lol
09:59:35  <eekee> \o ^^
09:59:36  <TheJosh> i prefer bash
09:59:45  <Gekkko> the best part is: AMD Duron 800mhz with 386mb ram
09:59:47  <Gekkko> lolol
09:59:59  <eekee> hehe
10:00:09  <TheJosh> i had a computer once with 4mb or ram and a 25mhz processor
10:00:15  <TheJosh> redhat 5, irc server
10:00:29  <TheJosh> also ran samba and apache
10:00:30  <eekee> A whole 25MHz?
10:00:41  <TheJosh> dns name: 'snail'
10:00:46  <TrueBrain> if it is an arm CPU
10:00:47  <eekee> hehe
10:00:49  <TrueBrain> you get a long way
10:00:54  <TheJosh> 386
10:01:01  <TheJosh> or a 286 cant remember
10:01:03  <TrueBrain> (only stating a MHz doesn't get you anywhere)
10:01:16  <eekee> You won't run Linux on a 286
10:01:23  <TheJosh> this was linux 2.0
10:01:34  <TheJosh> if that needed a 386 then it was a 386
10:02:01  <TheJosh> brb: chickent
10:02:03  <TheJosh> chickents
10:02:09  <TheJosh> it!
10:02:11  <eekee> Yeah my first Linux was kernel 2.0.14 on an 8MB 486... 12MHz iirc, although I soom upgraded to 33MHz with VLB
10:02:39  <Gekkko> so
10:02:45  <Gekkko> do you think people will pay to use that system?
10:02:56  <Gekkko> I don't limit what apps can be used
10:03:00  <Gekkko> except nothing illegal
10:03:04  <Gekkko> eggdrop, etc can be used
10:03:14  <eekee> ooh, little bit maybe, ya
10:03:17  <peter1138> did 486s ever come at 12MHz?
10:03:18  <Gekkko> remote X for an extra  a month
10:03:19  <Gekkko> :P
10:03:23  <eekee> hehe
10:04:28  <eekee> peter1138: yep. In fact, this had a 15-MHz chip soldered in underneath the PSU, and someone had "upgraded" it with a plug-in 12MHz
10:05:11  <hylje> heh, upgrades
10:05:15  <eekee> hehe
10:07:31  <eekee> I put X on it & stuff segfaulted constantly until I added another 4MB of ram much later, against dire warning to never have more ram than half your swap. It ran fine
10:07:35  <TheJosh> back
10:07:46  <eekee> wb
10:07:53  <TheJosh> 3 doz eggs
10:08:01  <Gekkko> hmm
10:08:07  <TheJosh> average production for a day
10:08:13  <Gekkko> time to attempt ripping cds in Linux
10:08:16  <eekee> ah ^^
10:08:24  <Gekkko> then I sadly have to reboot into Linux for iTunes.
10:08:25  <hylje> no need to attempt
10:08:29  <Gekkko> oh wait, I've got gtkpod.
10:08:30  <Gekkko> huzzah
10:08:50  <TheJosh> reboot? what does that mean again? i forget
10:08:51  <hylje> dd if=/media/cdrom of=/home/gekko/ripped-cd
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10:09:12  <TheJosh> there are even tools for ripping audio to ogg
10:09:49  <hylje> for the record, articulated tram
10:09:58  <eekee> yay?
10:10:04  <Gekkko> im using grip
10:10:07  <Gekkko> im ripping with lame
10:10:10  <Gekkko> it's for an iPod
10:10:13  <Gekkko> iPods are lame.
10:10:19  <TheJosh> ha ha
10:10:20  <eekee> :)
10:10:21  <Gekkko> I use a Palm PDA for my music
10:10:31  <Gekkko> everything on my PDA is Open Source
10:10:31  <hylje> pda? music?
10:10:32  <hylje> eww
10:10:33  <Gekkko> or freeware
10:10:36  <Gekkko> or pirated.
10:10:37  <Gekkko> lol
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10:10:38  <eekee> I wish my Zaurus hadn't broken
10:10:42  <Gekkko> eww?
10:10:45  <Gekkko> Palm TX is sexy
10:10:48  <Gekkko> 2gb SD card
10:10:48  <TheJosh> i have a computer for my music
10:10:49  <hylje> i has n9300
10:10:50  <Gekkko> you cant go wrong
10:10:54  <TheJosh> and an equaliser and 3 amps
10:11:04  <TheJosh> serious home-made soundsystem,
10:11:04  <Brianetta> openttd: command.c:529: DoCommandP: Assertion `res == res2' failed.
10:11:04  <Brianetta> Server has exited
10:11:04  <Brianetta> Boo.
10:11:16  <eekee> TheJosh: nice ^_^
10:11:21  <TheJosh> i think res equals res2.
10:11:22  <hylje> boo indeed
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10:11:46  <TheJosh> eekee: thanks
10:11:49  <dihedral> Brianetta: that looks nice
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10:12:18  <TheJosh> one of my speakers died recently though. one of my real good loud bassy ones. works but is crap quality. may need a new driver :(
10:12:26  <TheJosh> there goes 0 to 0 bucks
10:12:27  <eekee> ahh :/
10:12:29  <eekee> ya
10:12:37  <dihedral> ouch
10:12:44  <hylje> enjoy your sound systems
10:12:55  <TheJosh> ill open it up and check its not just a loose conection or a dead crossover
10:13:12  <TheJosh> when it was working it was awsome though. i tested it recently, 103 db
10:13:13  <eekee> My comp's linked up to an old Toshiba amp that probably dates from the mid-80s. That feeds into speakers which aren't bad, but both the amp & the speakers have a warm somewhat muddy tone so together they aren't very good
10:13:19  <TheJosh> concert volume in a room
10:13:44  <TheJosh> eekee: cool
10:13:57  <hylje> amps dont really obsolete
10:14:04  <hylje> like computers do
10:14:07  <TheJosh> im down to 2 tweeters at the moment till i work out this big speaker
10:14:13  <eekee> ^^ The alternative is my headphones, I got a pair of Sennheiser HD 590s I really like ^^ They have a sharp tone which balances the amp reasonably well
10:14:15  <eekee> eep
10:14:24  * geoff_k uses old realistic reciever amp
10:14:26  <TheJosh> hope it works again, its a real nice one
10:14:43  <eekee> hylje: yeah... the big capacitors in them just blow up eventually ^^;
10:14:43  <TheJosh> 12 inch bass driver with a magnet about 15x15x15 cm
10:14:53  <eekee> :O :D
10:15:12  <hylje> cube magnet+
10:15:14  <geoff_k> with 2 b&w studio monitors which dont actualy belong on it and htey sound too hard with the bass
10:15:36  <eekee> aw mew
10:15:37  <geoff_k> they belog on my nad amp realy but i no used it for some time in the livingroom which also has been used for a while
10:15:47  <TheJosh> hylje: its mega. the amp on number 3 out of 10 things start shaking
10:15:54  <Gekkko> can anyone upload their df to somewhere for me
10:15:59  <Gekkko> I'm too lazy to compile one myself right now
10:16:05  <Gekkko> and busybox is angrying me
10:16:12  <TheJosh> i used to have them under the couch and play halo and the couch would vibrate
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10:16:32  <eekee> :D
10:16:58  <eekee> Oh I HATE busybox lol
10:17:11  <Gekkko> it is crappy as.
10:17:24  <Gekkko> what is df part of?
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10:17:27  <Gekkko> what gnu package
10:18:05  <Zr40> coreutils
10:18:22  <Gekkko> no it's not
10:18:26  <eekee> I got my Z & I was all like, "Flipping heck, I had bash 2.0 & a FULL set of tools on an 8MB, 12MHz 486 and they worked FINE, & this thing has 16MB & a 166MHz ARM, and I'm stuck with this busybox crap???
10:18:35  <Zr40> output of df --help:
10:18:40  <Zr40> Report bugs to <>.
10:18:51  <Gekkko> but I compiled coreutils
10:18:52  <Gekkko> it wasnt in it
10:18:53  <Zr40> so yes, it is
10:19:03  <Zr40> which version?
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10:19:10  <Gekkko> 6.9
10:19:22  <Zr40> I have 6.7
10:19:44  <peter1138> eekee: linux is certainly bloated these days :(
10:19:58  <Zr40> Gekkko:
10:20:01  <Zr40> list contains df :)
10:20:09  <TheJosh> you can always use LFS and then you can choose how bloated you want to make it
10:20:11  <eekee> peter1138: I know. They put Gtk+ 2.0 in PDAs & apps take forever to start. It's horrible!
10:20:18  <geoff_k> its bloated if you use ubuntu, i use slackware its not at all bloated runs well
10:20:35  <eekee> TheJosh: I was gonna LFS my PDA. Never got round to it :J
10:20:38  <eekee> $ gaze from `which df`
10:20:38  <eekee> coreutils-5.94:/bin/df
10:20:38  <eekee> coreutils-6.4:/bin/df
10:20:40  <Gekkko> Zr40:  I know
10:20:51  <Gekkko> eekee: wht kiind of PDA
10:20:56  <TheJosh> i started LFS but i got bored
10:21:13  <TheJosh> and frustrated
10:21:27  <eekee> Gekko Zaurus SL-5500, the bottom-line Zaurus, near-enough
10:21:28  * SmatZ <-- Gentoo
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10:21:44  <TheJosh> i put gentoo on a machine i made for my sisters
10:21:51  <TheJosh> they wanted windows but i have no money
10:22:03  <SmatZ> I tried LFS, but Gentoo sems easier to handle
10:22:27  <TheJosh> Gentoo is good
10:22:36  <TheJosh> plenty of control, but a heap easier than LFS
10:22:40  <eekee> I LFS's from the old mini-howto, & from the sources on aSUSE dvd-rom because I didn't have internet, but eventually I got very frustrated. Used Gentoo for a bit & then went to Source Mage
10:23:22  <Gekkko> Zr40: it wouldnt copy because "Text file busy"
10:23:27  <Gekkko> so I rmed half of /bin
10:23:30  <Gekkko> that fixed that
10:23:45  <eekee> haha!
10:23:46  <Zr40> Gekkko: "Text file busy"? I've never heard of that error.
10:24:03  <Zr40> but even so, Linux allows deletion of in-use files
10:24:11  <Gekkko> I love that
10:24:12  <SmatZ> :-D
10:24:18  <Gekkko> also it hotswaps files
10:24:31  <Gekkko> I changed irssi and it didnt log me out
10:24:33  <Gekkko> I was like WTF?!
10:24:37  <eekee> I think I might have had that error once. Prolly deleting something in-use on a vfat fs
10:24:48  <eekee> hehe
10:24:56  <Zr40> Gekkko: that's what I said :)
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10:25:29  <Zr40> but the running irssi isn't magically updated without restarting it
10:25:45  <eekee> I do remember once beign unable to delete an in-use binary on an ext2 fs. That was wierd
10:26:16  <Zr40> eekee: perhaps it was locked in a weird way.
10:26:22  <eekee> ya guess so
10:26:24  <Zr40> eekee: next time that happens, try lsof | grep filename
10:26:31  <Zr40> replace filename, of course
10:26:46  <Caemyr> eekee: the slowest 486 was 33mhz
10:26:49  <Caemyr> 486sx
10:26:50  <eekee> never had much luck with lsof, but ty
10:27:00  <Caemyr> no math coprocessor
10:27:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r10233 /trunk/src/blitter/8bpp_optimized.cpp: -Fix: 8bpp-optimized encoder fucked up if 255+ pixels in a row were non-transparent (tnx boekabart)
10:27:23  <eekee> Caemyr: Maybe that was the first one they brought out, but you're neglecting budget ones
10:27:36  <Caemyr> and linux cant run 286 as this cpu is unable to run in protected mode
10:27:40  <Caemyr> eekee: nope