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Log for #openttd on 20th August 2007:
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00:07:58  <Bjarni> LOL
00:07:58  <svip> :> I knew it was your kind of humour, Bjarni.
00:07:58  <Bjarni> you have no idea how many odd things people who up with at hospitals
00:08:08  <svip> But you didn't look at link I posted before?
00:08:43  <svip> And not the dwarf one.
00:08:55  <Bjarni> reminds me of a guy, who was refueling his car and he got his finger jammed in the opening. He ended up at the hospital to get his finger free from the part of the car, they had cut out to move it with him
00:08:55  <TrueBrain> hmm, a girlfriend calling you doesn't help in the: try-to-code-this-as-fast-as-you-can attempt
00:09:11  <Bjarni> heh
00:09:15  <TrueBrain> Bjarni: if you would give me 1 dollar for every time you say: 'reminds me of', I truely would be rich by now
00:09:19  <svip> Hmm, that you have a girlfriend is more surprising.
00:09:27  <TrueBrain> @kick svip go fish
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00:09:38  <svip> He is too easy. :)
00:10:09  <Bjarni> TrueBrain: hmm.... maybe I say it a bit too often then
00:10:17  <TrueBrain> Bjarni: just maybe, yes
00:10:22  <TrueBrain> anyway, writing a byte-language sucks
00:10:26  <Bjarni> we can't have that you end up getting rich because of something I do :p
00:10:39  <svip> Would be nice though.
00:11:10  <svip> You also nicely refrain from answering my question. :)
00:12:01  <Bjarni> <svip> But you didn't look at link I posted before? <-- the road idea one or ?
00:12:10  <svip> Yes.
00:12:10  <TrueBrain> hmm, creating a byte-language for minesweep is really much more tricky then I assumed :(
00:12:10  <Bjarni> CFTM
00:12:42  <svip> Your recall of the acronym assumes you did.
00:12:57  <Bjarni> I looked briefly at it and then thought "the best idea is the last"
00:13:09  <svip> The Zoning one?
00:13:17  <Bjarni> making some sort of highlight of where you are allowed to build
00:13:23  <svip> Yeah.
00:13:31  * Phazorx recall his mineswepper clone to be 1st computer game he ever made
00:13:35  <svip> I actually wondered when I thought of that why there wasn't one already.
00:13:48  <Bjarni> I wouldn't know how to make it work nicely with the 8 bit graphic engine though
00:14:10  <svip> Border highlighting?
00:14:19  <svip> Like the usual markers.
00:17:21  <Bjarni> it's getting late
00:17:31  <Bjarni> sane people would be sleeping right now
00:17:42  * Bjarni tries to join sanity
00:17:45  <TrueBrain> that explains a few things
00:17:56  <Bjarni> goodnight
00:18:03  <TrueBrain> night
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00:31:02  <Digitalfox> TrueBrain: "creating a byte-language for minesweep is really much more tricky then I assumed" you are trying??
00:31:24  <Digitalfox> Why? :\
00:31:44  <TrueBrain> just a littlle experiment I wanted to do for the longest time
00:34:19  <TrueBrain> 	SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_DEC_A, 1);
00:34:19  <TrueBrain> 	SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_GET, 0);
00:34:19  <TrueBrain> 	SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_IF_EQ, 12);
00:34:19  <TrueBrain> 	SetCode(&code, MineSweeper::CODE_ADD_D, 1);
00:34:20  <TrueBrain> hehe
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00:34:53  <Digitalfox> I was reading the log, and read that, so i was curious on what you were going to do with it :)
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00:35:08  <TrueBrain> I want to make a Genetic Program that finds a way to solve MineSweeper
00:35:14  <Digitalfox> lol
00:35:23  <TrueBrain> of course it is idiotic
00:35:29  <TrueBrain> but you have to do something when you are bored
00:35:40  <Digitalfox> You are spending time on that? Don't tell me you are bored or you can't win the game ;)
00:36:12  <Digitalfox> ( actually i never won the game, since i only played twice ) ... :)
00:36:26  <TrueBrain> the game is just a random game I picked
00:36:30  <TrueBrain> I assumed the rules would be simple
00:36:35  <TrueBrain> they in fact are, just 3 base commands
00:36:41  <TrueBrain> I just forgot it needs tons of logic-functions
00:37:03  <Digitalfox> :)
00:37:30  <Digitalfox> Did you see this movie already? http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1770138
00:37:40  <Digitalfox> It is perfect for you TrueBrain ;)
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00:39:15  <TrueBrain> it does :p
00:40:21  <Digitalfox> You like it?
00:40:33  <Digitalfox> *Did you like it?
00:40:58  <TrueBrain> it is funny
00:42:04  <Digitalfox> I think it's very well done.. Normally videos made by people just for some fun aren't really professional ones, but this one is verry well done IMO :)
00:42:38  <TrueBrain> omg, this minesweeper is going to be so much harder then I assumed :s
00:42:58  <svip> http://www.isarapix.com/pix4/1187570556.png << Dunno if that works.
00:43:37  <Digitalfox> gn
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00:48:23  <TrueBrain> okay, I can make some logic in this byte-language now
00:48:28  <TrueBrain> would it be sufficient :s
00:49:40  <TrueBrain> oh well, nightynight all!
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01:09:04  <Hendrix> hy
01:09:22  <SmatZ> hi
01:09:41  <Hendrix> what is the newest version of ttd
01:09:42  <Hendrix> ??
01:10:08  <svip> Depends on what you mean.
01:10:19  <svip> Your question is extremely vague.
01:10:23  <Hendrix> is it ottd or ttd??
01:10:29  <svip> You said "ttd".  I don't think ttd is developed any more.
01:10:33  <svip> "ottd", please.
01:10:42  <SmatZ> depends ... 0.5.2 stable, 0.5.3 rc2 prerelease, r10946 nightly build, r10949 svn build
01:11:17  <Hendrix> can someone give me some patches for graphics and vehicles?
01:12:01  <Hendrix> i've downloaded ottd 0.4.7
01:12:12  <SmatZ> Hendrix: some GRFs are there -> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/GRF
01:12:19  <SmatZ> 0.4.7 is so old
01:12:26  <glx> first update to at least 0.5.2
01:12:38  <SmatZ> I doubt new GRFs will work with that version
01:12:41  <Hendrix> where do i get 0.5.2?
01:12:43  <SmatZ> *all
01:12:50  <svip> www.openttd.org
01:12:55  <svip> Click the "download" link.
01:13:34  <Hendrix> thnx
01:14:44  <Hendrix> OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files in order to function.
01:14:49  <Hendrix> what that means?
01:15:22  <SmatZ> Hendrix: OTTD needs original graphic and sound files
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01:15:50  <SmatZ> copy your *.grf and sample.cat into ottd/data directory
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01:16:43  <Hendrix> my ottd works good without anything else
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01:17:45  <SmatZ> Hendrix: well I don't know where you have your ottd copy from... maybe it contains the required files, but distributing that is most likely illegal
01:18:32  <Hendrix> khm
01:18:41  <Hendrix> ok
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01:31:36  <Hendrix> does someone haves some interesting savegames?
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01:44:41  <Hendrix> where do i have to put *.grf files that i could used them in game?
01:47:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> lots of places... easiest would be a subdirectory of the data directory
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01:48:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. go to the data directory, create a directory called newgrf (or whatever you like) and put the grf files there
01:48:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> then the game should detect them and you can choose them from the newgrf settings dialog
01:49:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> assuming you really did get 0.5.2
01:49:23  <Eddi|zuHause2> this will not work in 0.4.*
01:49:42  <Hendrix> can i get grf files for buildings?
01:50:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, support for them is not in 0.5, but will be in 0.6 (or the nightlies)
01:50:44  <Hendrix> thanx
01:51:03  <Hendrix> whot about for roads?
01:51:08  <Hendrix> or railways?
01:51:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, those should work
01:52:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> and no, industry grfs will not work...
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01:52:51  <Hendrix> where can i get road grfs?
01:53:36  <Hendrix> i put the grf files in newgrf file but ottd cennot recognize them
01:53:47  <Hendrix> only in data folder
01:54:02  <Hendrix> newgrf folder*
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01:56:14  <Ammller> Hendrix: is the newgrf folder a subdir of data?
01:57:25  <Hendrix> of what data?
01:57:56  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10950 /branches/NewGRF_ports/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: [NewGRF_ports] -Fix: Helicopters need slightly different rotated position data to pinpoint their landings on the rotated helipads.
01:58:57  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: richk * r10951 /branches/NewGRF_ports/bin/data/ (airportsextended.grf sprites/airportsextended.nfo): [NewGRF_ports] -Add: Three alternative rotations for Helidepot.
02:00:30  <Hendrix> CIA-2: i don't understand you
02:00:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> i kinda doubt he will care :p
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04:59:44  <Smoky555> hi all :)
05:00:21  <Smoky555> is diagonal crossing patch available for the last trunk?
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11:02:42  <OJ> Hi again
11:03:03  <OJ> What sort of limits are there on clients and companies?
11:03:12  <OJ> the wiki seems to lack info on that...
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11:08:02  <Maedhros> OJ: 8 companies, and 10 (or possibly 11) clients
11:08:33  <OJ> bummer okay
11:08:35  <OJ> Cheers
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11:48:04  <OJ> Another Q
11:48:51  <OJ> ah, I got it
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12:18:56  <YOYO-NL> hello
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12:30:08  <simon444> just saw the simpsons movie
12:30:12  <simon444> I want a refund
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12:34:14  <alex_> has anyone has shit sleep the last couple of days?
12:34:20  <alex_> had*
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12:34:57  <ThePizzaKing> too much running through Maths and Physics in my head
12:35:01  <ThePizzaKing> It's great
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12:38:12  <simon444> alex_, is that when you poop in your sleep?
12:39:01  <Noldo> simon444: can you remember when was the lastime you had an on-topic and meaningfull contribution to this channel?
12:39:45  <simon444> Noldo, yes. However, I don't think alex_'s comment was any more offtopic than me.
12:44:55  <YOYO-NL> anyone has an idea which package works on Suse linux?
12:45:13  <glx> source should
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12:45:21  <glx> but you need to compile it
12:45:22  <YOYO-NL> ty
12:45:25  <YOYO-NL> hmm
12:45:41  <YOYO-NL> lawl that could be fun never have done that :)
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12:49:33  <Eddi|zuHause> iirc celestar did attempt to create suse packages once... might have been for the nightlies...
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12:50:35  <Eddi|zuHause> but compiling should work fine... remember to install the -devel versions of sdl and stuff...
12:50:48  <YOYO-NL> yeah im reading the wiki
12:50:54  <YOYO-NL> says i need quite a lot
12:51:06  <YOYO-NL> sure i need that in order to maka a server?
12:51:22  <glx> you don't need sd for a server
12:51:35  <glx> you can build a dedicated only version
12:52:19  <Noldo> ./configure will tell
12:52:21  <YOYO-NL> thats what i want :) so if i understand correctly i dont need a sd package then?
12:52:29  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but zlib at least :)
12:52:47  <YOYO-NL> hmmm k
12:52:51  <glx> zlib is a must :) else the savegames will be very big
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12:53:07  <YOYO-NL> lol
12:56:13  <YOYO-NL> hmmm you need to do this with every update of Openttd>?
12:56:49  <Noldo> if you use the source package,yes
12:57:16  <Maedhros> well, you only need to install the libraries / headers once
12:57:22  <Noldo> true
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13:02:12  <YOYO-NL> k when the packages are in then open a terminal and type $ ./configure
13:02:29  <YOYO-NL> does it give me a choise on where i can put it?
13:02:37  <glx> ./configure --dedicated
13:02:59  <glx> ./configure --help qill show you the options
13:03:10  <YOYO-NL> k
13:05:41  <simon444> you don't need to compile
13:06:05  <simon444> just use the precompiled tarballs for your libc
13:07:17  <glx> simon444: these files just don't exist
13:08:57  <YOYO-NL> ah crap my HD doenst want again
13:09:06  <YOYO-NL> need to fix that first
13:10:44  <simon444> glx, I'm to old then\
13:11:01  <simon444> much simplier in the unix days
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13:43:38  <YOYO-NL> ok it does something strang
13:43:38  <YOYO-NL> e
13:43:52  <YOYO-NL> i placed the zip on the disk im gonna use for it
13:43:54  <YOYO-NL> unpacked it
13:43:59  <YOYO-NL> went to terminal
13:44:06  <YOYO-NL> moved to the according map
13:44:18  <YOYO-NL> said /configure --help
13:44:24  <YOYO-NL> then it says no such file
13:44:33  <YOYO-NL> but it is in the list :s
13:44:34  <Eddi|zuHause> ./configure
13:45:12  <svip> :) He forgot the dot.
13:45:23  <glx> you used zip or tar to get the source?
13:45:25  <Eddi|zuHause> not /configure
13:45:36  <YOYO-NL> recieved back: bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
13:45:42  <YOYO-NL> tar
13:45:56  <svip> :/ what did you download it as?
13:46:12  <YOYO-NL> tar file
13:46:19  <YOYO-NL> tar.bz2
13:46:19  <svip> I meant user.
13:46:28  <YOYO-NL> as normal
13:46:33  <YOYO-NL> install using root
13:46:36  <svip> :<
13:46:42  <svip> Install?
13:46:47  <svip> You haven't even configured it yet.
13:47:06  <YOYO-NL> yeah lol :) i explain better
13:47:22  <svip> No need to use root though.
13:47:35  <svip> You only have to use root for "make install".
13:47:35  <YOYO-NL> i downloaded the file as tar.bz2 as the normal user called YOYO
13:47:46  <svip> In capital letters? :|
13:47:48  <YOYO-NL> then i switchd to root in order to prevent
13:48:02  <svip> Prevent what?
13:48:02  <YOYO-NL> wrong permissions ect
13:48:08  <YOYO-NL> then i start the terminal
13:48:18  <YOYO-NL> go to the according map
13:48:28  <ln-> don't use your system as root.
13:48:28  <YOYO-NL> where i unpacked the tar.bz2
13:48:36  <svip> Indeed, ln-.
13:48:48  <YOYO-NL> root only used in order to do things to the system
13:48:55  <YOYO-NL> its not in use for common tasks
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13:49:20  <Eddi|zuHause> unpacking and compiling are "common tasks"
13:49:20  <svip> That is not true.
13:49:43  <Eddi|zuHause> just "make install" should require root
13:50:05  <YOYO-NL> ok but why do i get permission denied
13:50:21  <glx> what are the rights of configure?
13:50:21  <svip> Try unpacking it again as your usual user.
13:50:25  <Maedhros> have you got the partition you're trying to compile on mounted noexec?
13:50:29  <svip> ls -lh configure
13:50:51  <svip> Better check his mtab.
13:51:06  <svip> Meh, that doesn't say it.
13:51:22  <YOYO-NL> ok i need to add to my story that Suse is running on a small disk wich has the original partition type and that OpenTTD is on a NTFS disk
13:51:32  <svip> :] NTFS?
13:51:37  <YOYO-NL> yeah :)
13:51:50  <YOYO-NL> there is a program that coupels those 2 systems
13:51:59  <YOYO-NL> although not bug free yet
13:52:05  <svip> No wonder it won't work.
13:52:08  <Maedhros> you could try `sh configure`, instead of ./configure
13:52:22  <svip> Yeah, try that.
13:52:43  <YOYO-NL> @swip well it works i can read write ect only from the oudside is a bit problemmatic
13:52:59  <svip> "w" and "v" are quite far apart on the keyboard.
13:53:09  <YOYO-NL> ah works
13:53:13  <svip> :)
13:53:26  <YOYO-NL> oops :)
13:53:27  <YOYO-NL> hehehe
13:54:47  <YOYO-NL> then again a lot of errors saying command not found
13:54:56  <YOYO-NL> but says its completed
13:55:23  <Eddi|zuHause> your system configuration is probably fishy...
13:55:30  <Maedhros> depending on what hasn't been found, the result might not be very useful...
13:55:53  <YOYO-NL> hmmm all the errors are syntax errors
13:56:25  <YOYO-NL> saying syntax means to me that there is a big chance it wont work. as the same goes for PLC's
13:56:36  <Maedhros> can you put the output on paste.openttd.org ?
13:57:48  <YOYO-NL> uhhm yes one moment
13:59:14  <YOYO-NL> done
13:59:31  <glx> paste the url :)
13:59:53  <glx> http://paste.openttd.org/203
14:00:17  <glx> ok do you have gcc installed?
14:00:18  <YOYO-NL> srry (A)
14:00:32  <glx> gcc --version
14:01:04  <YOYO-NL> bash: gcc: cmd not found
14:01:08  <YOYO-NL> meanss no
14:01:17  <glx> you need to install it
14:01:21  <glx> it's the compiler
14:01:28  <YOYO-NL> makes sense
14:05:10  <YOYO-NL> ok when she is done retry that cmd?
14:11:24  <YOYO-NL> k errors have been cleared
14:11:48  <ln-> are you root?
14:12:16  <YOYO-NL> yup
14:12:19  <ln-> don't be
14:12:52  <YOYO-NL> k whats the reason for that?
14:12:56  <YOYO-NL> would like to know :)
14:13:23  <Maedhros> it makes it far too easy to accidentally destroy your system
14:14:34  <YOYO-NL> k so the lesson of the day when you make a compile never do that again as root right?
14:14:58  <Maedhros> not just that; don't log in as root unless you really need to
14:15:18  <YOYO-NL> k
14:16:01  <YOYO-NL> but for the next step root is needed right>?
14:16:18  <ln-> depends what is your next step
14:16:32  <YOYO-NL> according to the wikki use make cmd
14:16:49  <ln-> "make" doesn't need rootness either.
14:17:08  <YOYO-NL> k then i move out root
14:17:41  <ln-> before you do, do a "chmod -R youraccount openttdDir"
14:17:46  <ln-> sorry
14:17:50  <ln-> chown
14:17:55  <ln-> instead of chmod
14:18:26  <YOYO-NL> this makes youraccount the owner of openttdDir
14:18:39  <ln-> yes...
14:18:48  <ln-> although.. if you're still on NTFS, i don't know what happens.
14:18:57  <YOYO-NL> hmmm
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14:21:31  <YOYO-NL> k sh make ends in cannot execute binary file
14:22:34  <YOYO-NL> nvm make seems to be
14:22:39  <YOYO-NL> the sollution
14:22:47  <YOYO-NL> but again returns errors
14:22:55  <YOYO-NL> Permisson Denied
14:23:54  <Maedhros> your user doesn't have the permissions to write to the current directory, presumably
14:24:25  <YOYO-NL> hmmm strange so root is the only one who can
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14:34:32  <YOYO-NL> both root and normal user are giving Permission Denied
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14:41:52  <YOYO-NL> why is it all denied :S doenst make sense all permission set to 777 to test it but still no response
14:42:26  <glx> ntfs is not the best filesystem for linux
14:43:54  <YOYO-NL> i know
14:44:05  <Priski> i heard that on linux you should not write to NTFS filesystem since it propably cause broblems
14:44:14  <YOYO-NL> but the disk contains things i cant trow away
14:44:29  <YOYO-NL> well a set of programmers is working on it
14:44:30  <Priski> well convert to FAT-32 somehow?
14:44:42  <YOYO-NL> and they have come a far way but still its buggy
14:45:11  <YOYO-NL> hmmm is that possibel? as far as i know when you change file type it resets youre disk losing all data
14:46:11  <Maedhros> fat32 doesn't support permissions at all
14:46:28  <ln-> Priski: there's a safe NTFS implementation nowadays.
14:46:29  <Maedhros> so apart from the fact that reading and writing is well supported, it's even worse than ntfs
14:47:07  <ln-> YOYO-NL: buy a cheap 1 GB usb stick and format it as ext3.
14:47:07  <Priski> ln-, there is? thats good.
14:47:26  <ln-> YOYO-NL: if you cannot format your hard disk partitions.
14:48:07  <YOYO-NL> hmmm
14:48:25  <YOYO-NL> well it needs to offer support to 125 GB of music (A)
14:48:34  <Maedhros> ln-: i though ext3 was a bad idea for flash disks?
14:48:40  <YOYO-NL> not a single HD in my network has even close to that capacity
14:48:47  <hylje> journaling is bad for flash disks
14:49:14  <hylje> YOYO-NL: i suggest resizing the ntfs partition to be just enough for the priceless data you have there, and use the rest of the space for the real stuff
14:49:21  <hylje> *OR* get a new disk
14:50:19  <YOYO-NL> hmmm
14:50:26  <ln-> Maedhros: could be, but shouldn't be a big loss on a 10€ stick.
14:51:43  <YOYO-NL> so basicly you will need to lose all the data and then reform the disk and put it back.... will that work without loss of save capacity... i know win aint verry pleased when you change back to FAT 32
14:54:33  <hylje> generally you dont need to reformat for resizing
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15:09:57  <YOYO-NL> ah well solved the external approach problem
15:10:39  <YOYO-NL> but not the make
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