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07:57:45  <dihedral> hello ladies
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10:08:56  <Nite> Hi!
10:09:42  <SmatZ> hi
10:10:36  <scia> lo
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10:11:55  <Nite> lo(l)
10:13:43  <Nite> looking for newgrf servers.
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11:01:06  <ln-> hmm, wie fahren 4 personen am billigsten von bremen nach hamburg?
11:04:46  <TrueBrain> english please ;)
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11:09:06  <ln-> "hmm, how travel 4 persons at cheapest from bremen to hamburg?"
11:09:14  <xander1987> apologies - just setting up my client
11:09:22  <TrueBrain> ln-: simple: by walking!
11:10:38  <ln-> i just booked flights to/from bremen, 35€/person, not bad.
11:13:24  <TrueBrain> I like my way more
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11:24:09  <ln-> TrueBrain: walking is ok, but there are certain time constraints.
11:24:27  <TrueBrain> so you are not looking for the cheapest ;) You have constraints... that changes it all! :p
11:24:42  <TrueBrain> and now it is time for me to do some shopping
11:24:46  <TrueBrain> running low on cola
11:24:56  <ln-> that's dangerous
11:25:05  <TrueBrain> yup
11:27:46  <TrueBrain> hmm, I can't go... I don't have a key to the main door, and nobody else is home
11:27:49  <TrueBrain> so, I have to wait :)
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11:34:21  <ln-> you can go buy 10 liters of coke and drink that outside the door until someone arrives. problem solved.
11:57:20  <TrueBrain> really stupid: the coke wasn't in 1.5L bottles anymore.... :( :(
11:58:43  <TrueBrain> I always love this: bought 7 things, and got a discount on 6 of them :)
11:59:08  <ln-> move to finland, we've got coke in 1.5l bottles.
11:59:20  <TrueBrain> we used to have them
11:59:24  <TrueBrain> but there were supply problems or what ever
11:59:29  <TrueBrain> personally I don't care
11:59:51  <Ammler> Hi all, I have some problems with orders of the newgrfs, errors are shown, but shouldn't. So I made a small testgrf: http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Nothing.grf . Is this problem known?
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12:29:16  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11092 /trunk/src/ (blitter/factory.hpp openttd.cpp settings.cpp variables.h): -Add: allow 'blitter=<value>' in openttd.cfg to set the blitter (so you don't have to keep on doing 'openttd -b 32bpp-optimized'..)
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12:54:41  <LiOn> [13:09]	<ln->	"hmm, how travel 4 persons at cheapest from bremen to hamburg?"
12:55:15  <LiOn> ln-: You can try Niedersachsen-Ticket http://www.bahn.de/regional/view/niedersa/bahnregional/freizeit/niedersa_ticket.shtml
12:55:26  <LiOn> ln-: DB (IRE, RE, RB, S-Bahn) and regional transport (bus, tram) in Bremen and Hamburg
12:55:28  <LiOn> 26 Euro/up to 5 persons, at weekdays valid from 9am to 3am the following day, at weekend and public holiday valid from midnight to to 3am the following day
12:55:29  <LiOn> travel time about 1-2 hours
12:56:10  <ln-> sounds good.
12:56:15  <ln-> thanks.
12:57:11  <ln-> hmm, also the netherlands isn't very far away from bremen.
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13:04:43  <LiOn> Rome as well - depends on scale :P
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13:08:27  <ln-> yeah, but ~100 km compared to the >1000 km from finland to bremen.
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13:18:25  <LiOn> Yeah, but finally you will arrive there
13:18:34  <LiOn> Specially with no Passengers with specific destinations
13:18:48  <LiOn> All roads lead to Rome. ;)
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13:26:31  <ln-> so they say, but does it apply to railroads..
13:28:14  <LiOn> unlikely, you are right
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13:32:02  <LiOn> on topic: What does patch setting "Allow removal of more town-owned roads, bridges, etc" do?
13:32:04  <LiOn> Reducing a penalty?
13:32:05  <LiOn> What exactly is etc?
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13:37:01  <SmatZ_> LiOn: in TTD, you are not allowed to remove town-owned bridges and non-terminal roads
13:37:28  <LiOn> why "more" then?
13:37:42  <SmatZ_> you may remove terminal roads
13:38:22  <LiOn> ok, thanks
13:39:08  <ln-> do towns ever build tunnels?
13:39:19  <DeGhosty> no
13:39:30  <DeGhosty> i don't think i ever seen em do that
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13:46:50  <frosch123> oO - now I will get kicked.
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13:47:52  * frosch123 just spammed two FS bugs with links to his new patch.
13:48:05  <DeGhosty> lol
13:48:10  <DeGhosty> GG
13:50:50  <Belugas> frosch123, that was a very good spam :) therefore, kicking is definitively out of the question ;)
13:51:15  <frosch123> hopefully
13:51:16  * Belugas hopes to have more spams of this quality!
13:51:36  <Belugas> now that i've seen the result, let see the internals...
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14:01:05  <SmatZ_> frosch123: nice, the idea to draw bounding boxes is really useful
14:02:57  <SmatZ_> maybe you could add MakeWholeScreenDirty() for that function
14:03:26  <SmatZ_> *Mark
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14:04:55  <SmatZ_> errr it is not very stable :(
14:06:14  <frosch123> what?
14:06:24  <SmatZ_> I mean DrawBoundingBoxesWithCtrlB_r11092.patch
14:06:35  <SmatZ_> I didn't test the actual patch
14:06:43  <frosch123> no, it causes more glitches, than it helps
14:07:15  <frosch123> it is most useful, when opening a vehicle window, scroll to somewhere else, click on "show vehicle" and press "screenshot"
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14:45:12  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11093 /trunk/src/blitter/factory.hpp: -Fix r11092: also add a DEBUG(driver, 1) if the blitter is loaded, to show which one really loaded
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15:52:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11094 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp:
15:52:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Documentation: Add comments on viewport structures and change an obscure variable name to something a little more meaningfull.
15:52:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Heavily based of frosch's work (FS#1223)
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17:47:02  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/questionmark.png
17:47:03  <TrueBrain> whoho :)
17:47:42  <Digitalfox> !seen celestar
17:47:43  <_42_> Digitalfox, Celestar (~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de) was last seen quitting #openttd.tgp 7 weeks 6 days 9 hours 21 minutes ago (20.07. 08:26) stating "Quit: Lost terminal" after spending 1 week 3 days 21 hours 2 minutes there.
17:48:46  <Belugas> Commit this!
17:49:59  <mcbane> ?
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18:11:10  <mcbane> ?
18:11:47  <TrueBrain> @kick mcbane If that is all you have to say: '?', try saying it into the thin void or something
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18:12:02  <TrueBrain> YEAH! I finally have tar-support working :) Whoho!
18:14:39  <Wolf01> tar files for 32bpp?
18:14:45  <TrueBrain> tar for OpenTTD
18:14:48  <TrueBrain> for all data/* entries
18:15:16  <Wolf01> good, grf packs :P
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18:17:54  <TrueBrain> for example
18:18:13  <TrueBrain> now I need to clean it up and commit it in small steps I guess :p
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18:23:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11095 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs):
18:23:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: don't abuse 'file_pos' by storing the file_slot in it too, but use a nice seperate variable for it
18:23:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD:  -Note: on a side-note, this allows files bigger than 16+ MiB, needed for tar-support
18:24:54  <TrueBrain> one hack less...
18:26:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11096 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix: when 2 different GRF-files had the same name (e.g.: ""), the double-entry checker didn't always work correctly, resulting in multiple entries of the same grf in the list
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18:29:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11097 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Codechange: for easy future extension of NewGRF Scanning, split up the functions a bit
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18:30:53  <TrueBrain> all of a sudden my patch isn't that big anymore ;)
18:35:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11098 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Fix r11096: forgot spaces before comments
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18:46:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11099 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp fileio.h gfxinit.cpp newgrf_config.cpp): -Codechange: allow on opening of a file via FioFOpenFile to request the size of the file, so we can keep that in mind
18:50:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11100 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix r11099: darn typos...
18:51:15  <Wolf01> :O 11 revisions to 11111
18:51:17  <TrueBrain> YEAH! 11100 :)
18:55:59  <svip_> :OOOOO
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18:57:31  <Bjarni> so should we have a new party at your place?
18:57:36  <Bjarni> in 11 revisions?
18:57:40  <Eddi|zuHause> whoever reaches 11111 must give out a round of spirits :p
19:01:37  <SmatZ_> there are 11 more typos for sure, so keep correcting... :)
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19:02:38  <SmatZ> closed by accident :-x
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19:07:39  <TrueBrain> stupid :p
19:08:46  <TrueBrain> dbg: [misc] Scanning for tars
19:08:46  <TrueBrain> dbg: [misc] Found tar: /prog/openttd/trunk/bin/data/ottdc_grfpack.tar
19:08:46  <TrueBrain> dbg: [misc] Scan complete, found 1 files
19:08:52  <TrueBrain> dbg: [grf] Scanning for NewGRFs
19:08:52  <TrueBrain> dbg: [grf] Scan complete, found 42 files
19:08:54  <TrueBrain> oh yeah baby! :)
19:10:10  <Eddi|zuHause> does that also handle .gz and .bz2 files?
19:10:54  <Wolf01> and .zip .rar .7z .ace .cab?
19:11:05  <SmatZ> nice
19:11:22  <SmatZ> and .arj ?
19:11:29  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: a big no
19:11:36  <TrueBrain> Wolf01: you want a kick?
19:11:52  <Eddi|zuHause> i have not seen a .arj in over 10 years
19:11:56  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: lol, does anyone still know how to make those? :p
19:12:12  <Wolf01> but i think you can add a .zip, for the poor windows users who don't now how to do a .tar
19:12:23  <SmatZ> I used it a lot, util rar came :) ... there is even a winarj
19:12:42  <Bjarni>  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: lol, does anyone still know how to make those? :p <-- I do... from DOS... I think I still have some ancient arj software... somewhere
19:12:44  <TrueBrain> Wolf01: there problem :)
19:12:52  <TrueBrain> there is a big difference between all those formats you guys name, and .tar
19:13:05  <Bjarni> which is?
19:13:08  <TrueBrain> .tar is only a storage format
19:13:13  <Wolf01> the mistery of life?
19:13:18  <TrueBrain> gz, bz2, zip, rar, 7z, ... are all compression formats
19:13:24  <SmatZ> there are already some pack/unpack functions in ottd (for savegames), can't it be used for that purpose?
19:13:38  <TrueBrain> SmatZ: no, as that would require unpacking all files in memory
19:13:45  <TrueBrain> the only thing that can be easy added is gz support
19:13:50  <TrueBrain> as you have gzopen from libz
19:14:05  <TrueBrain> which can handle .gz files just fine
19:14:34  <Bjarni> zlib is not mandatory for compiling, so even though 99,..% has it, we can't assume everybody to have it. The question is if we want to make it mandatory and force the last two people to install it ;)
19:14:46  <SmatZ> :-)
19:15:00  <Wolf01> and isn't there a windows' storage format?
19:15:41  <Bjarni> I would not have a problem with it as OSX itself depends on zlib, so we know for sure that it can't result in any mac specific bug reports :)
19:15:52  <Eddi|zuHause> there is no need to "force" anyone, if they don't want zlib, they still can use uncompressed tars
19:16:02  <Bjarni> good point
19:16:11  <Sacro> evening chaps
19:16:18  <Sacro> would a SparcStation10 run OpenTTD?
19:16:29  <Eddi|zuHause> which is the same behaviour as with savegames
19:16:30  <Belugas> a native window storage format? maybe cab is. zip is now supported "natively" but i doubt it count
19:16:38  <Bjarni> Sacro: if you have the right binary, then I think so
19:16:47  <Belugas> Sacro, try it ^_^
19:17:01  <Bjarni> Sacro: I once compiled OpenTTD for Sun Solaris on Sparc
19:17:01  <Sacro> someone at the local LUG is giving one away
19:17:07  <Sacro> dual cpu :D
19:17:16  <Bjarni> didn't work well, but that was due to lag between the thin client and the server
19:17:20  <Sacro> but then... they only run at 36-40Mhz
19:17:29  <Sacro> ISDN and 96MB RAM
19:17:37  <Bjarni> could still be fun to play with
19:17:44  <Sacro> swedish keyboard :\
19:17:55  <Bjarni> ohh
19:18:00  <Sacro> SunOS 1, 2.5 2.6
19:18:08  <Bjarni> Swedish keyboard..... then the computer is useless :P
19:18:54  <Bjarni> actually it would be interesting to see if you could get OpenTTD to play on it... In theory it's not impossible
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19:19:19  <Bjarni> and Sparc is a nice design. Don't be fooled by low clock frequency
19:19:29  <Bjarni> (even though 40 MHz is slow)
19:19:59  <Bjarni> don't try 2048x2048 maps :P
19:20:03  <Sacro> also
19:20:10  <Sacro> Sparc NeXT :D
19:20:20  <Sacro> possibly the only set in UK circulation
19:20:29  <Sacro> and NeXT for x86
19:20:36  <Bjarni> go for it
19:20:38  <Sacro> and a SCSI tape station
19:20:43  <Sacro> yeah, i am doing
19:20:45  <Bjarni> SCSI is so nice
19:20:53  <Sacro> only problen is it has no IDE support
19:20:55  * Bjarni has working SCSI stuff
19:21:24  <moebius> well, I played the original ttd in a 486-dx2, which surely is way too much slower than a dual sparc @40mhz
19:21:29  <Bjarni> SCSI rules compared to IDE when it's devices from that era
19:21:45  <Bjarni> SCSI uses less CPU time to access, which is kind of important for that system
19:22:16  <Sacro> mmm, true
19:22:24  <moebius> and SCSI is present (in some form) in newer good designs
19:22:27  <moebius> like FireWire
19:22:35  <Sacro> actually, i don't quite think i can run OpenTTD
19:22:40  <Sacro> it doesn't have a VGA output
19:22:45  <moebius> but Intel screwed up the thing when they released USB xD
19:23:32  <Bjarni> I once made my own unofficial USB2/Firewire test. The very same disk was like 30% faster when I used firewire
19:24:00  <moebius> ...with too much less CPU cycles wasted when using Firewire
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19:24:42  <Bjarni> basically I just copied the same huge file to /dev/null and timed it since I lacked a real benchmarking tool
19:24:56  <moebius> at least when I tested in my ibook, using a 3G iPod (which can be attached to both busses)
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19:24:57  <Bjarni> I think it was 2 GB or something (created for the task)
19:25:01  <moebius> and using hdparm
19:25:10  <moebius> the thing went better with firewire
19:25:12  <Sacro> i have to see if anyone else wants it
19:25:19  <moebius> about 18%-20% faster for me
19:25:21  <Sacro> but i'd love it for testing different OS'en
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19:25:40  <Bjarni> Sacro: is it a headless server?
19:26:19  <colle> probably a 13w3 monitor connection
19:26:35  <colle> there are adapters available for 13w3->vga conversion
19:28:33  <Sacro> Bjarni: no, i don't think so
19:29:22  <Bjarni> then I don't see why you shouldn't get it
19:29:37  <Sacro> Bjarni: does your mac have a camera on it?
19:29:51  <Bjarni> why?
19:29:57  <Bjarni> you want to spy on me?
19:30:20  <Sacro> no, a friend of a friend is having trouble getting her webcam to work on her mac
19:30:44  <Bjarni> odd
19:30:54  <Bjarni> should work out of the box
19:30:56  <SmatZ> problem? on a mac?
19:31:02  <Sacro> she wants to use it on msn
19:31:10  <Bjarni> oh
19:31:28  <Sacro> mmmm, adium doesn't support webcams
19:31:33  <Bjarni> first step: try it with photobooth (or whatever the name is)
19:31:45  <Bjarni> if it works: blame Microsoft
19:32:13  <Bjarni> if it doesn't: contact Apple and get warranty to fix the issue
19:32:26  <Bjarni> that is, if it's a built in camera
19:32:48  <Bjarni> Sacro: got it?
19:32:59  <ln-> Bjarni: do you have a joystick?
19:33:05  <Bjarni> yeah
19:33:12  <Bjarni> I don't really use it though
19:33:14  <ln-> Bjarni: a force feedback joystick?
19:33:19  <Bjarni> no
19:33:28  <Bjarni> basically I wanted it for UAE :)
19:33:40  <Bjarni> so it's not the best on the marked, but I liked the price
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19:34:04  <TrueBrain> I hate unclear advertising... I want a new TV, and now I have a folder here which says one I might like, for a very good price
19:34:12  <TrueBrain> it only doesn't state which type it is exactly
19:34:21  <TrueBrain> so all I have is the branch and price.. but it can be from VERY poor, to VERY good..
19:34:23  <Bjarni> hehe
19:34:30  * TrueBrain slaps advertising...
19:35:14  <Bjarni> reminds me of a flier somebody put on my windshield once. It told that on Friday, some restaurant opened and it has special opening offers... only it didn't tell where it was
19:35:25  <Bjarni> I still don't know even where it is
19:36:00  <SmatZ> :-D
19:37:15  <Bjarni> I think they didn't get the gain/cost radio like they wanted :P
19:37:36  <TrueBrain> yeah, I like my tar suppor
19:37:37  <TrueBrain> t
19:37:42  <TrueBrain> I can pack all my original graphics in one file :)
19:37:49  <TrueBrain> and the coop grfs in one
19:37:50  <TrueBrain> hehe :)
19:38:13  <Bjarni> nice
19:38:15  <Sacro> Bjarni: yeah, i think she is going to try aMsn
19:38:56  <Bjarni> please don't highlight me with a line containing Msn again
19:39:01  <Bjarni> it looks dangerous
19:39:03  <TrueBrain> Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
19:39:03  <TrueBrain> Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
19:39:04  <TrueBrain> Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
19:39:04  <TrueBrain> Bjarni: msn msn msn msn
19:39:26  <Bjarni> ok
19:39:28  <TrueBrain> remember: you always get what you don't ask
19:39:38  <Bjarni> granted... I told SACRO not to do it :P
19:40:01  <Bjarni> everybody: just don't :P
19:41:49  <Bjarni> well... I don't know how to get MSN working on mac
19:42:00  <Sacro> i got adium working
19:42:05  <Bjarni> and I don't know how to kill it for good on Windows either :s
19:42:09  <Sacro> i just downloaded it, mounted the dmg and copied it to Applications
19:42:29  <Bjarni> that's the mac way to install apps
19:42:40  <Bjarni> but I think it has a setup like nick and stuff
19:42:53  <Bjarni> and don't ask me about that part because I never tried it
19:43:56  <Bjarni> I once used iChat, but stopped because it was even more useless than when IRC goes off topic and it always interrupted me with useless stuff when I did something else
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20:13:12  <ddewilt> is er ergens een admin in de buurt?! krijg geen activatie mailtje :p
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20:13:47  <Wolf01> yes
20:14:02  <ddewilt> aaah hold-up :p
20:14:15  <ddewilt> hij staat bij de ongewenste post :s
20:14:18  <ddewilt> naja :)
20:14:27  <ddewilt> is het in ieder geval opgelost :)
20:14:33  <Belugas> would be kind enough to speak in english, please?
20:15:33  <ddewilt> ow ok... i thought i didn't get an activation mail, but the mail was caught by the junkmail folder in Hotmail :p
20:15:41  <ddewilt> problem solved:)
20:15:53  <Belugas> glad to hear :)
20:16:03  <Wolf01> i understood "admin" "activate" "email", so i answered yes because there's orudge aroud ;)
20:16:09  <Wolf01> *around
20:16:35  <orudge> :p
20:16:38  <ddewilt> ok :)
20:17:53  <TrueBrain> PEBKAC
20:18:41  <ddewilt> and now back to the forums ;) see u later guys
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20:21:58  <Wolf01> yeah a  [10053] Software caused connection abort :D
20:23:13  <ddewilt> does anybody know when the next version of openttd will be released?
20:23:35  <Wolf01> when is done ;)
20:24:38  <Progman> bundled with duke nukem forever ;)
20:24:42  <ddewilt> offcourse,, sounds logical :p, but there's no release date for the moment?
20:25:04  <Belugas> nope
20:25:08  <ddewilt> ok :)
20:25:15  <Belugas> you could still use the nighlties...
20:25:27  <Prof_Frink> Progman: Will it run on GNU Hurd?
20:25:44  <ddewilt> ok,, but are they stable?
20:26:00  <SmatZ> GNU Hurd is the target platform, so they must wait until it is stable...
20:26:06  <SmatZ> ddewilt: no
20:26:18  <Wolf01> maybe yes, if TrueBrain did not break all this evening ;)
20:26:57  <ddewilt> haha
20:27:16  * Belugas slaps SmatZ
20:27:23  <SmatZ> why?
20:27:26  <Belugas> nighylies are pretty stable allright
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20:27:39  <SmatZ> stable is 0.5.2
20:27:42  <Belugas> been a while since there has been problems
20:27:44  * TrueBrain slaps wolf01
20:27:52  <TrueBrain> and besides, those changes are visible tomorrow night ;)
20:28:05  <ddewilt> i truly cannot wait until new graphics are added (in a stable version) :P
20:28:23  <Belugas> you should use nightlies then....
20:28:27  <TrueBrain> so download the nightly and find yourself some graphics :)
20:28:28  <Wolf01> oh right... i'm compiling by myself :P
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20:28:37  <Belugas> how can we get a stable if no one test the nighlties???
20:29:20  <ddewilt> hmm..(A)
20:29:22  <ddewilt> :)
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20:30:37  <TrueBrain> @kick ddewilt this is NOT MSN
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20:33:39  <Belugas> and SmatZ, 0.5.2 is a release.  that's all and since we're trying to get 0.5.3 out, it means ther are problems with it ^_^
20:33:49  <Belugas> tus.. it is not really a stable version!
20:35:26  <SmatZ> Belugas: http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php  --> The latest stable version is 0.5.2, released on May 29th 2007.
20:36:04  <SmatZ> there are problems with all software, and it is released and sold as stable...
20:37:31  <Belugas> and it's in bold...
20:37:35  <Belugas> pffff...
20:38:37  <Belugas> but still...
20:38:37  <Belugas> [16:25] <@Belugas> you could still use the nighlties...
20:38:38  <Belugas> [16:26] <ddewilt> ok,, but are they stable?
20:38:38  <Belugas> [16:26] <SmatZ> ddewilt: no
20:38:45  <Belugas> that was not fair :(
20:38:59  <Belugas> nightlies are stable like 99% of the time
20:39:13  <SmatZ> yes, they are -
20:39:44  <SmatZ> sarry, don't be sad :-(
20:40:13  * Belugas unslaps SmatZ and hugs him
20:40:28  <Belugas> i'll survive ;)
20:40:33  * SmatZ hugs Belugas, now are all happy again :)
20:40:57  <Belugas> TrueBrain, see what you did to me?
20:40:58  <Belugas> lol
20:43:05  <ln-> does anyone own a force feedback joystick and use it on a non-mainstream operating system?
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20:48:38  <Bjarni> ln-: try #OSX on freenode or something
20:49:09  <Bjarni> well... they talked about boobs and drinking the time I visited them with a serious question, but you might have better luck
20:49:19  <Bjarni> or was it #mac...
20:49:29  <Bjarni> you will figure it out
20:49:46  <Bjarni> if the channel is empty, then it's the wrong name ;)
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21:03:39  <ln-> Bjarni: i tried #macdev, no one replied
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21:04:29  <Bjarni> :P
21:04:51  <Bjarni> odd thing is that the only channel I actually got useful replies from was #fink
21:04:59  <Bjarni> I wouldn't go there with a joystick issue though
21:05:56  <Bjarni> ln-: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_Mac <-- do you like my changes to this page?
21:06:10  <Bjarni> and the work in progress on this one http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Universal_libraries
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21:11:28  <ln-> looks ok, except "a piece of machine code is added after the machine code"
21:12:01  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:12:48  <Bjarni> hmm
21:12:55  <Bjarni> what to write instead...
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21:13:45  <ln-> "X is added after X" sounds odd.
21:13:54  <Bjarni> agreed
21:14:37  <ln-> a few words could also be said about the *purpose* of universal binaries, before going into technicalities.
21:21:54  <Bjarni> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Universal_libraries <-- added a purpose part
21:21:59  <Bjarni> nothing else changed
21:22:22  <Bjarni> however I think people reading this page already knows the purpose... but ok
21:24:21  <ln-> who knows what readers know
21:24:38  <Bjarni> readers.. I presume
21:25:22  <Bjarni> I decided not to compare this to the 68k->PPC transfer... too few people are aware of what happened back then
21:26:02  <ln-> yeah, it's fine now.
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21:47:24  <Progman> 11100 got some weird grf errors ;)
21:50:24  <Progman> the sprites for rail dragging northeast<->southwest are missing
21:52:22  <Bjarni> heh
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21:53:16  <Bjarni> as luck would happen, the person most likely to be the cause of this went to bed :P
21:54:02  <Phazorx> binart releases are usualy like that
21:54:10  <Phazorx> next one will be broken too
21:54:16  <Phazorx> *binary
21:55:25  * Bjarni wondered why the compilation took so long
21:55:50  <Bjarni> turned out that it was still in universal binary mode after I tested something earlier today
21:56:00  <Bjarni> and not even in debug mode either
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22:01:24  <Bjarni> Progman: post a bug report
22:01:46  <Bjarni> and tell me once you are done and I will assign it to the right person
22:02:47  <Progman> to lazy, and noone can miss this bug ;)
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22:03:34  <Bjarni> not true
22:03:45  <Bjarni> looks like one person missed it before committing :P
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22:04:07  <Bjarni> but it's likely that he will notice tomorrow
22:04:36  <Progman> you mean truelight?
22:05:32  <Bjarni> yeah
22:06:06  <Bjarni> read the svn log and he will be the only one playing with stuff that's likely to cause this
22:06:41  <Progman> like "< TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/questionmark.png" ;)
22:10:41  <Bjarni> this would be another pointer to who did this
22:11:14  <Bjarni> usually I would say that evidence like this wouldn't leave any questionmarks, but in this case...
22:14:15  <Sacro> whoo
22:14:20  <Sacro> i might be getting this Sparc :D
22:14:42  <Sacro> and it has the framebuffer graphics card
22:17:05  * Bjarni detects Sparcs flying from Sacro's head
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22:17:13  <Bjarni> or would that be sparks?
22:17:15  <Bjarni> :)
22:17:16  <Sacro> Bjarni: probably
22:17:24  <Sacro> what is a AUI?
22:17:43  <Bjarni> hmm
22:17:53  <Bjarni> isn't that some outdated port thingie?
22:18:17  <Bjarni> I think I once saw an ethernet hub with one of those, but I'm not entirely sure of the name
22:18:26  <Bjarni> I have seen AUI before though
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22:18:52  <Sacro> yeah, D15
22:19:26  <Sacro> ahh
22:19:29  <Sacro> it has 10BaseT
22:19:36  <Sacro> so that'll go fine into an ethernet socket
22:19:41  <Sacro> though might struggle with wifi
22:19:42  <Bjarni> Ethernet AUI (Access Unit Interface)
22:19:49  <Bjarni> http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi/hdwr/bks/SGI_EndUser/books/Indy_OwnerGd/sgi_html/ch02.html
22:19:58  <Bjarni> looks like networking that lost to ethernet
22:20:06  <Sacro> i don't seem to be able to snag urls via irssi in putty
22:20:17  <Bjarni> happy typing :P
22:20:30  <Sacro> http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi/hdwr/bks/SGI_EndUser/books/Indy_OwnerGd/sgi_html/ch02.html
22:20:35  <Bjarni> copy paste should work though
22:20:36  <Sacro> that didn't work
22:20:55  <Bjarni> paste it in your browser, not IRC :P
22:22:05  <Bjarni> Figure 2-7. Turning on the Indy Workstation <--- this is followed by figure 2-7, which is a finger pressing the power button... nice
22:22:13  <Sacro> hehe
22:22:30  <Bjarni> you need to press the button saying power... I thought you should stare at it or add water to it or something
22:25:04  <Sacro> i miss pressing CTRL+BREAK
22:26:08  * Prof_Frink BREAKs Sacro
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22:31:34  <Sacro> :(
22:32:48  * Bjarni CTRL the BREAK of Sacro
22:33:08  * Prof_Frink Fn+PgUp
22:33:25  <Prof_Frink> light goes on, light goes off. light goes on, light goes off.
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22:39:25  <TrueBrain> 5
22:39:34  <Prof_Frink> 4
22:40:02  <Sacro> 3
22:40:16  <glx> 2
22:41:53  <Bjarni> 1
22:42:04  <Bjarni> TrueBrain: I think you have a sprite bug report
22:42:06  <Prof_Frink> Thunderbirds are go!
22:42:25  <Bjarni> try to build rails in north-south direction
22:43:30  <Bjarni> TrueBrain: I also noticed a minor issue in make bundle_dmg... once the dmg is mounted, the disk is called bundle, not "OpenTTD rev"
22:43:47  <TrueBrain> Bjarni: not my problem
22:43:49  <Bjarni> not a huge issue, but it should be fixed before 0.6.0
22:43:55  <Bjarni> well
22:44:04  <Bjarni> it worked until you made the makefile rewrite
22:44:13  <TrueBrain> @kick Bjarni blablabla
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22:44:19  <TrueBrain> sometimes, I can get sick us such things...
22:45:36  <TrueBrain> file 8, offset 0...
22:45:42  <TrueBrain> cool, validation protection in effect!
22:46:43  <TrueBrain> Progman: my compliments, 1 missing sprite per grf, and you find 2 of them in secnods ;)
22:46:44  <TrueBrain> nice job!
22:48:13  <TrueBrain> so there you have it :)
22:48:35  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truelight * r11101 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Fix r11099: the check: file_pos == 0, no longer works; adjust the check with file_slot. This solves the ? sprites with autorail (nice catch Progman)
22:48:55  <TrueBrain> [00:43] <Bjarni> not a huge issue, but it should be fixed before 0.6.0 <- I guess it shouldn't be hard for you to fix, so I hope to see a commit tonight ;) :)
22:49:21  <TrueBrain> ah, revision 29, how nice...
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22:59:56  <Bjarni> goodnight
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