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08:33:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> # grÃŒn, ja grÃŒn, sind alle meine zeilen
08:34:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> # grÃŒn ja grÃŒn ist alles, was ich les'
08:34:32  <Eddi|zuHause2> # darum lieb' ich, alles was so grÃŒn ist
08:35:02  <Eddi|zuHause2> # weil mein chan ein idlerchannel ist
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08:44:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> (slight adaption of a german children's song (http://www.colibu.de/gruen_ja_gruen_sind_alle_meine_kleider.htm))
08:57:36  <frosch123> Those who know german = Those who know the song
08:59:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> sure... but when i saw all the green here, suddenly that melody spooked through my head, and i just couldn't keep that thought to myself :)
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11:40:23  <Greyscale> wakes up
11:41:09  <Eddi|zuHause2> NOOO, you disturb the beautiful green
11:41:32  <svip_> The green?
11:41:35  <svip_> Your face is green.
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11:42:10  <TrueBrain> here it is purple
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12:28:22  <yorick> openttd.org is down?
12:28:28  <glx> yes
12:32:11  <SpComb> it's httpd is down
12:32:14  <SpComb> -'
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12:36:52  <svip> Apparently, due to the fact that it is in the Netherlands, the dikes have just been blown... and now it is under water.
12:37:31  <SpComb> then it probably wouldn't respond to pings either
12:37:41  <glx> and TB is out
12:38:07  <svip> SpComb:  Ping can work under the most difficult conditions.
12:38:13  <SpComb> underwater?
12:38:16  <svip> That too.
12:38:30  <svip> Ping is like on kernel level.
12:38:41  <svip> So even when everything seems roasted.
12:38:48  <svip> It will still respond.
12:38:53  <SpComb> I think being underwater would kill the httpd and the kernel in the same way
12:39:06  <glx> and probably the server too
12:39:12  <svip> You think I am being serious?
12:39:13  <SpComb> I bet a paniced kernel won't respond to pings
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13:33:06  <skidd13> whats up with openttd.org?
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13:34:46  <yorick> its down
13:35:11  <skidd13> Obvious, but why?
13:35:15  <yorick> [14:36] <svip> Apparently, due to the fact that it is in the Netherlands, the dikes have just been blown... and now it is under water.
13:35:44  <yorick> [14:39] <svip> You think I am being serious?
13:35:52  <yorick> so... no idea
13:36:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> "whats up" - "its down" <- genious (apart from the missing apostrophes) :p
13:37:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> skidd13: the only person to really tell what's going on timed out together with all other services
13:37:35  <yorick> :D
13:38:23  <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: indeed he's gone for shopping before the timeout
13:39:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> that would probably not really help the situation :)
13:39:09  <yorick> just like about 2 weeks ago
13:39:33  <skidd13> Murphy hit us again :D
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13:43:24  <Chris82> hi guys :)
13:43:32  <Chris82> I have a question about sprites.h
13:43:36  <Chris82> when I have a line like SPR_ROADSTOP_BASE = SPR_ROUTEMARKER_BASE + 12,
13:43:37  <orudge``> !seen true*
13:43:46  <Chris82> how do I know what the + xx value has to be?
13:44:05  <Chris82> or in other words, how do I find out without being the author of the original grf ;) ?
13:44:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> orudge``: all the bots were also on true*'s server ;)
13:45:27  <orudge``> ah
13:45:32  <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd )
13:45:32  <orudge``> !logs
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13:46:11  <skidd13> Chris82: decode the grf and read how many sprites are in it.
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13:52:39  <yorick> openttd.org is back
13:52:52  <svip> :O
13:52:56  <svip> Crisis averted!
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13:53:52  <yorick> and truebrain is back too
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13:54:15  <svip> Crisis not averted then.
13:55:48  * Eddi|zuHause2 imagines yorick hittig F5 every 3 seconds for the last half hour
13:56:55  <yorick> thats not true!
13:57:08  <svip> It was every 5 second.
13:57:27  <yorick> every 15 minutes!
13:57:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah. sure.
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14:00:15  <Chris82> skidd13: I found the solution by error and trial ;)
14:00:27  <Chris82> the decoding tools for grfs all don't work on Vista x64
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14:00:31  <Chris82> at least I can't make them work
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14:01:02  <Chris82> I took richk's original routemarkers patch and updated it to CommandCost state and threw away BamBam's version because it was broken
14:01:15  <Chris82> now the grass growth patch also doesn't grow routemarkers anymore ;)
14:01:26  <Chris82> but so far I see no grass growth either, so there's still some work left
14:03:37  <SmatZ> better no grass than routemakers everywhere :-D
14:04:23  <nairan> hmm i have tains getting any coal from mine but rate is still sinking..
14:04:29  <nairan> tains = trains
14:05:13  <Chris82> the routemarker GUI is removed now so building them is a little less comfortable, but the advantage is that they work now properly and don't crash the game ;)
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14:19:18  <Chris82> lol, maybe I should turn on full detail to see grass growth -.-
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14:24:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, weird... there is a openttd 0.5.3 for suse in the packman repositories... no mention of RC#
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14:31:55  <Chris82> ok one problem left to solve though
14:32:07  <Chris82> when I built a normal singla there is also a routemarker drawn on the tile
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14:58:58  <Belugas> frosch123, my spelling was good, by the way... Just that it is a good FRENCH spelling  ^_^
14:59:20  <frosch123> I don't know french
14:59:36  <svip> Nobody knows French.
15:00:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> i know french
15:00:28  <Belugas> well... there are two devs who do ;)
15:00:32  <Eddi|zuHause2> ... un petit peu
15:00:46  <Belugas> juste assez :)
15:00:57  * Belugas goes back to work@work
15:00:58  <Belugas> have fun
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15:12:56  <Chris82> where is tile defined?
15:13:00  <Chris82> can't find it right now
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15:14:13  <Chris82> nvm *me was stupid*
15:18:22  <svip> :)
15:19:02  <Chris82> when I do TileIndex t = and I want it to be the current tile, what is the "shortcut" for it?
15:19:52  <frosch123> What means "current tile"?
15:20:21  <Chris82> = tile where mouse pointer points at
15:20:55  <frosch123> Those tiles are passed as parameters to commands
15:21:09  <Chris82> I want to do IsTileType(tile, MP_STATION)
15:21:20  <Chris82> because the if clause should only apply if the tile I click is a station
15:21:27  <Chris82> but I don't know how to define tile
15:21:31  <frosch123> Inside a command or inside the gui?
15:21:46  <Chris82> inside HandleViewportScroll()
15:22:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> then look how the highlighting for the mousecursor is done in other parts
15:22:32  <Chris82> I want the show station spread area with rightclick patch to only do something when I actually click on a station
15:22:56  <Chris82> otherwise when rightclicking anywhere on the map it tries to show the station spread area even when there is none which breaks quite a lot of things
15:23:12  <frosch123> GetTileBelowCursor
15:23:15  <Eddi|zuHause2> how do you scroll if you have a station the size of the screen?
15:23:31  <Chris82> you can't have such large stations?
15:23:37  <Chris82> oh wait ok on small resolutions you can indeed
15:23:52  <Chris82> hmmm ok then I make it ctrl + rightclick
15:24:50  <Chris82> 2>d:\openttd\openttd-dev\src\window.cpp(1488) : error C2664: 'IsTileType' : cannot convert parameter 1 from 'Point (__fastcall *)(void)' to 'TileIndex'
15:24:59  <Chris82> using GetTileBelowCursor doesn't seem to work
15:25:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> stations can be up to 64x64
15:25:17  <frosch123> It returns a TileCoord
15:25:44  <frosch123> So you have to do something like: TileXY(pt.x / TILE_SIZE, pt.y / TILE_SIZE)
15:25:56  <frosch123> where pt is the result from GetTileBelowCursor
15:36:58  <blathijs> Isn't there a function to do that?
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15:38:13  <frosch123> Only for left clicks :)
15:40:38  <frosch123> Or did you mean "TileVirtXY" instead of "TileXY" and the divisions ?
15:40:52  <Chris82> TileIndex tile;
15:40:53  <Chris82> 	tile = TileVirtXY(GetTileBelowCursor().x, GetTileBelowCursor().y);
15:41:03  <Chris82> this isn't working as I want it to though
15:41:12  <Chris82> when I move the map with rightclick it works again now
15:41:23  <Chris82> but when a rail building tool is selected it gets deselected when moving the map
15:41:27  <Chris82> which doesn't happen in trunk
15:42:45  <Chris82> this is how the if looks like if ((_ctrl_pressed && (_cursor.delta.x < 10)) || (_ctrl_pressed && (_cursor.delta.y < 10))) {
15:42:56  <Chris82> so when I ctrl + rightclick a station I see the station spread area
15:43:09  <Chris82> when I just rightclick it I can move the map as normally possible
15:43:22  <Chris82> but any tool selected gets deselected, I don't understand why?!
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15:44:42  <frosch123> Did you place it still inside "HandleViewportScroll" ?
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15:46:23  <Chris82> yeah and I just found a weird error
15:46:44  <frosch123> Then what do you return from HandleViewportScroll? True or False?
15:47:16  <Chris82> 1. ctrl rightclick on station shows spread area ---- 2. I release ctrl and keep rightclicked and still see the area ---- 3. I keep rightclicked and move around the cursor and although the map moves the catchment area also starts to move under my mouse button :D lol
15:47:40  <Chris82> return false;
15:49:23  <Chris82> maybe this whole patch should get it's own function and not fiddle with HandleViewportScroll
15:49:34  <Chris82> I have no idea why the author added it to this function
15:49:53  <frosch123> Because that functions handles right clicks
15:50:23  <frosch123> when inside a landscape viewport
15:50:41  <frosch123> I guess a left click is a lot easier
15:52:14  <Chris82> hmmm well if I do ctrl + click I can use leftclick too if that's easier
15:52:30  <Chris82> the original author didn't use it because leftclick is reserved for opening the station window
15:53:47  <frosch123> Err - wait - you are right. The right click handler should go to MouseLoop
15:54:04  <frosch123> Instead of "_scrolling_viewport = true"
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16:01:00  <Chris82> nice :) that solved a few issues already
16:01:20  <Chris82> I can still move away the catchment area with the mouse tho when keeping the buttons clicked
16:01:33  <Chris82> but at least map moving 100% as intended now
16:01:43  <Chris82> works*
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16:14:37  <Wolf01> hello
16:15:53  <Chris82> hello
16:17:13  <svip> I thought Wolf01 was German. :O
16:17:41  <Wolf01> no, but i'm stupid if you want
16:17:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> no, he's stupid... or italian
16:17:44  <Wolf01> ehm...
16:18:06  <svip> What's wrong with Italians?
16:18:08  <svip> HUH?
16:18:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> how should i know?
16:18:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's _his_ signature
16:19:17  <ln-> this is an exceptional channel in the sense that *!*@*.it is not banned.
16:20:22  * TrueBrain sets mod +b *!*@*.it
16:20:24  <TrueBrain> so we fixed that
16:21:22  <ln-> and not even *!*@*.pl
16:21:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> a propos .pl, what happened to MeusH?
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16:25:19  <Chris82> byebye Supcom time :D
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16:34:07  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> a propos .pl, what happened to MeusH? <-- he was arrested by KGB
16:34:28  <Bjarni> for talking with people with capitalistic minds
16:34:41  <Eddi|zuHause2> who?
16:34:46  <svip> KGB.
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16:35:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't see any people with capitalitic minds...
16:35:15  <Wolf01> he went to italy and i ate him
16:35:16  <Eddi|zuHause2> +s
16:35:16  <Bjarni> heh. KGB is mentioned and Deathmaker makes a run for it
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16:35:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's quite suspicious, in one or the other way :p
16:35:49  <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't see any people with capitalitic minds... <-- you aren't in a communistic country, which is capitalistic enough
16:36:07  <svip> :O
16:36:16  <svip> But Germany is like federal and stuff.
16:36:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> hey, it's not like it was my choice that my country was stolen underneath me
16:36:34  <Bjarni> that is what they want you to think
16:36:47  <Bjarni> @svip
16:36:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> i live in the same place as before the "change"
16:36:57  <svip> What "change"?
16:37:01  <svip> From red to blue?
16:37:05  <Bjarni> yeah
16:37:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> The Change
16:37:10  <svip> :O
16:37:16  <svip> I have no idea what you're talking about.
16:37:18  <svip> zomg
16:37:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> "Die Wende" is a fixed term in german
16:37:24  <ln-> maybe svip is so young he hasn't heard about it.
16:37:46  <svip> Never known it by the name "The Change".
16:37:49  <Bjarni> sometimes I wonder what svip has heard about :s
16:37:54  <svip> :s
16:39:20  <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2, you were on the red part?
16:39:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah...
16:39:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> i was like 8 years back then
16:39:45  <svip> Good times.
16:39:57  <Belugas> how did you lived the difference?
16:40:04  <svip> Damnit I miss the Cold War.
16:40:14  <Belugas> was it a good moment?  or a frightening one?
16:40:24  <Eddi|zuHause2> difficult to tell
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16:41:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> i remember a conversation with my brother, about "being 'western' now does not feel really different"
16:41:29  <svip> Nah.
16:41:30  <Eddi|zuHause2> the most notable change was the switch of the currency
16:41:35  <svip> See Goodbye, Lenin, Belugas.
16:41:39  <svip> It describes it pretty well.
16:41:43  <Bjarni> no... you lowered BRD to your level :P
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16:42:25  <Bjarni> I don't think the DDR+BRD merge and the euro has anything to do with each other
16:42:39  <Eddi|zuHause2> not that currency
16:42:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> the switch from eastern Mark to western Mark
16:43:00  <Belugas> so the new "liberty" gained was not as evident nor appreciated
16:43:05  <svip> Bjarni thought East and West Germany used the same Mark?
16:43:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> around summer 1990, i believe
16:43:18  <Bjarni> I didn't say that
16:43:18  <Belugas> and th "benefits" of it were not affecting you, i guess
16:43:39  <Bjarni> what benefits?
16:43:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you could get all kinds of new toys (e.g. Lego)
16:44:01  <svip> Oh yeah.
16:44:04  <svip> Here comes the West!
16:44:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> or Matchbox cars
16:44:06  <svip> We got LEGO!
16:44:07  <svip> \o/
16:44:26  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, that WAS important at age 8 ;)
16:44:27  <Bjarni> I have had lego for as long as I can remember :D
16:44:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> we also had some basic plastic brick sets, but they were not "cool" ;)
16:45:15  <Belugas> of course :)
16:46:23  <svip> ;)
16:46:40  <svip> I loved that Mittag im West show, Eddi|zuHause2.
16:46:45  <Belugas> my wife and I were following the events at that time.  We were glued to the TV.  The one question that keep on going on was "How the eastern are feeling the change"
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16:47:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> i remember my first lego was a TV broadcast truck
16:47:45  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, all the political stuff went past me
16:47:58  <Belugas> I can believe that :)
16:48:00  <Belugas> we had suspictions that the TV was not showing both side's opinions accurately
16:48:06  <Belugas> but...
16:48:12  <Belugas> long time...
16:48:28  <Bjarni>  <Belugas> we had suspictions that the TV was not showing both side's opinions accurately <-- you mean that they ever do that?
16:48:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> well, most people in east germany had western TV ;)
16:49:01  <Eddi|zuHause2> (although that was illegal)
16:49:03  <svip> :P
16:49:16  <Bjarni> that's not what I meant
16:49:25  <svip> Bjarni.  Check out these