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00:01:29 <fjb> But I didn't test if it different in TTDP yet. 00:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> now i need shunting, to only have to electrify the relevant (steep) sections of my rail network, and still let the trains drive through the entire network 00:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> PS: conversion from electric to normal rail should give money 00:04:54 <ln-> why would anyone want to do it that way? 00:05:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> to regain the copper used in the catenary? 00:06:38 <Ihmemies> ages ago max year was 2050.... 00:06:42 <Ihmemies> is there any limit nowdays? 00:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> in 1914, all central german catenary was removed to get the copper for "war relevant" stuff 00:06:43 <fjb> I will only electrify the mainlines now. 00:06:55 <Ihmemies> openttdcoop's year is now 2148 00:06:58 <Ihmemies> i'm just curious :P 00:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ihmemies: something like 5 million or so 00:07:13 <Ihmemies> cool 00:07:23 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: belugas * r11266 /trunk/src/ (table/sprites.h water_cmd.cpp): -Documentation: Add a few comments. Parts of BigBB's work on shores 00:08:56 <Phazorx> Belugas: got an NI/GRF question 00:10:18 <fjb> Shunting would be great. But it would not be that easy to implement, I guess. 00:11:02 <Ihmemies> hmpf, double mode (ctrl+d) doesn't work on win32 vista :| 00:11:36 <Ihmemies> build11235. is it supposed to still work? :D 00:12:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: apart from the way trains are composed of sub-trains instead of simple wagons, you need a big GUI/Order rewrite, to have them sensibly programmed (from gamer's point of view) 00:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm thinking of that way: i have 200 ore wagons, two ore stations, and one steel station 00:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i tell 100 ore wagons to go to ore station A, and 100 to go to ore station B, then gather at hub station C 00:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> then i have 2 small engines with orders "take 5 wagons from A/B to C" 00:14:34 <Belugas> go on Phazorx 00:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> and one engine that says "take 15 wagons from C to steel station D" 00:15:11 <Phazorx> Belugas: estimated capacity in pbi 00:15:17 <Phazorx> it goes beyond 100% 00:15:23 <fjb> Hm, yes, but would it be possible to add an engine to the train just to pull them over a hill? 00:15:25 <Phazorx> then it goes beyound 200% 00:15:30 <Phazorx> then ity gets to 255% 00:15:34 <Phazorx> and then back to 9 00:15:36 <Phazorx> 0 00:15:50 <Phazorx> does that number mean anything, and should it overlap like that? 00:16:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: yes, you would tell the train "go to A, wait there for engine" 00:16:41 <Belugas> i have no clue. you should ask pikka himself what is the intended and effective behaviour 00:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the helper engine you say "go to A, join with train, goto B, split off train" 00:17:05 <Belugas> Phazorx: have you tested it in ttdpatch ? 00:17:20 <glx> Ihmemies: ctrl-d has been removed 00:17:24 <Phazorx> Belugas: nope, kinda takes a while :) 00:17:39 <Belugas> well... nothing i can say either :( 00:17:40 <Belugas> sorry 00:17:50 <Ihmemies> glx, why :-( 00:18:02 <glx> blitter rewrite 00:18:14 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: that sounds great. When will you implement it? :-) 00:18:18 <Ihmemies> so it's coming back (or something like it)... 00:18:24 <Phazorx> Belugas: it just looks like data bits limitation.... which is probably more engine related than grf 00:18:29 <glx> it may come back 00:18:34 <Ihmemies> :| 00:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: haha ;) 00:18:41 <Belugas> Phazorx, keep noticing the behaviour and try to give a save game. it is possibly a bug, but since it is a new feature, it's hard to tell 00:18:45 <glx> but every try failed for now 00:18:51 <Ihmemies> probably when everyone has those 3000x2000px displays 00:18:54 <Phazorx> i have savegame and screeny 00:19:29 <Belugas> Phazorx, anything is possible. But i doubt it is related to a limitation of data 00:19:47 <Phazorx> you wanmt the savegame by any chance? 00:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> instead of double mode (ctrl+d) you should have separate GUI x2 zoom, and another map zoom in level 00:20:04 <Belugas> Phazorx: but if you can debug it and eventually propose a fix, more than welcome ;) 00:20:04 <Belugas> anyway, i have to go to sleep. rough day tomorrow 00:20:09 <Belugas> night all 00:20:16 <Phazorx> night 00:20:51 <Phazorx> glx: i got a dfesync hint that my worth investigating if you are interested 00:20:59 <Phazorx> not sure if it worth a bug report tho 00:21:10 <fjb> I used a screen magnifier sometimes. :-) 00:21:31 <glx> Phazorx: I'm not in a desync hunting mood 00:22:05 <Phazorx> :o( 00:22:34 <ln-> why does desync abort the whole game? 00:22:42 <ln-> that WAS NOT the way it was in TTD. 00:23:10 <ln-> in TTD you could have two different realities running on different computers. 00:25:55 <Phazorx> i dont think ttd behavior is correct 00:26:53 <Phazorx> with how desync events are tracekd right now - it is not possible to say what exactly is different aside of the fact it is 00:27:57 <Phazorx> synchronization can be achieved by reDLing whole data set, which is identical to relogin 00:41:19 <SmatZ> :-D 00:41:20 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.93.84] has quit [Quit: *poof!* I am gone -=- Using ChatZilla] 00:42:08 <SmatZ> two different games, different things are happening, commands issued by one player may have different results in the other game... 00:42:38 <SmatZ> I think the way desyncs are detected is very elegant 00:53:24 <ln-> SmatZ: are you saying multiple concurrent realities wouldn't make the game more exciting? 00:54:39 <ln-> on one world you destroy an unused piece of rail, on the other one that click destroys your most important airport. 00:55:34 <ln-> also trains jumping between worlds could cause interesting signalling challenges. 00:56:38 <fjb> Everybody should have his own alternate reality. :-) 00:56:48 <SmatZ> :-) 00:57:23 <SmatZ> different patch settings, different modifications to ottd... 00:57:30 <SmatZ> yeah, that would be interesting 00:58:42 <fjb> Help. How do I build this station without PBS. :-/ 00:59:22 <SmatZ> this is the fun, designing hubs and stations without PBS! 00:59:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i really don't have fun there... 01:00:08 <fjb> It would be more fun if you could build above a tunnel entrance. 01:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are situations that really don't work... 01:00:22 <fjb> Diagonal bridges would also help. 01:00:41 <SmatZ> hmmm 3am, good night all 01:00:43 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:07 <Sacro> OpenTTD needs more realistic signalling 01:01:11 <fjb> The presignal blocks are really stupid sometimes... 01:01:18 <Sacro> though how I'd like it is probably too realistic for most 01:01:34 <fjb> Yes, it does. But who does the coding? 01:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> the current presignal system is just too simple 01:02:48 <Sacro> i think trains should be allowed to go past 1 reverse signal 01:02:56 <Sacro> so long as it can route to a same facing one 01:03:01 <Sacro> this should allow for bidi track 01:03:10 <fjb> I'll try it anyway. But I should remeber to build bus stops in that town first. 01:03:10 <Sacro> and trains should be routed from junction to junction 01:03:14 <Sacro> not signal to signal 01:03:35 <Sacro> no 01:03:40 <Sacro> junction to junction on bidi 01:03:46 <Sacro> signal to signal on sidi 01:04:22 <Ihmemies> i'm fine with signals ;P 01:04:39 <Ihmemies> now when there's this "press ctrl to fill track with signals" feature 01:04:40 <fjb> Some day I will find out how the pathfinder translates signals and junctions into nodes. 01:04:48 <Ihmemies> signaling isn't annoying anymore as it was before 01:04:54 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:05:09 <Sacro> fjb: it doesnt 01:05:13 <Ihmemies> altough some kind of priority signal would be nice 01:05:15 <fjb> It is less annoying. :-) 01:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> i never used that autosignalling 01:05:31 <Sacro> fjb: YAPF and the signals are independant 01:05:39 <fjb> Sacro: How else does it work? 01:05:47 <Sacro> fjb: the signals use OPF 01:06:22 <fjb> YAPF looks only for junctions? 01:07:08 <fjb> Ofcourse it does... now I'm thinking about it. 01:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> YAPF caches long rail sections without junctions 01:07:43 <Sacro> yeah 01:07:51 <fjb> Signals only put weight on the paths betwenn the nodes. 01:07:52 <Sacro> the signals are not at all intellegent 01:08:10 <Sacro> all they do is see if they can go to the next without hitting a train 01:08:35 * Sacro is le tired 01:09:00 <Ihmemies> :P 01:09:17 <Sacro> i should stop playing MSTS 01:09:27 <Ihmemies> of course it would be awesome if trains could find their way and not collide with each other without signals :D 01:09:42 <Sacro> heh 01:09:46 <Sacro> that'd not be realistic 01:09:55 *** |fjb| [~frank@W9e11.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 01:10:03 <|fjb|> Ups 01:10:43 <|fjb|> I hate it when my IP number ist forced to change... 01:11:09 <bruce89> perhaps they should have walky talkies instead of signals 01:11:41 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-227-121.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:11:58 <|fjb|> bruce89: Go to wikipedia and look for train crashes... :-) 01:12:07 <bruce89> hmm 01:12:22 <bruce89> TGVs don't use signals 01:12:27 <bruce89> they're too fast for it 01:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is not entirely true 01:12:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> they don't use VISUAL signals 01:13:04 <|fjb|> Not only TGVs. 01:13:25 <bruce89> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:West_Highland_Line_looking_north_from_Rannoch_station_01.jpg 01:13:32 <bruce89> just a wee blue light 01:13:58 <Sacro> errr... 01:14:01 <Sacro> thats not a signal per se 01:14:12 <bruce89> seems to work for them anyway 01:14:31 <Sacro> what do you mean? 01:14:35 *** orudge [orudge@78.32.42.132] has joined #openttd 01:14:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 01:14:43 <Sacro> its OTW 01:14:52 <Sacro> i would assume anyway 01:14:57 <Sacro> given the fact they're using tokens 01:14:57 <bruce89> in fact, there used to be no signals and they just used big token things 01:15:01 <Sacro> yes 01:15:02 <|fjb|> The signals are in the computers today. The show up on the display. 01:15:03 <Sacro> thats all that is 01:15:11 <Sacro> thats an electronic token thingy 01:15:16 <Sacro> not a signal 01:15:32 <bruce89> one nice railway though 01:16:42 *** fjb [~frank@W8d66.w.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:19 *** |fjb| is now known as fjb 01:22:40 *** orudge [orudge@78.32.42.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:45 <fjb> Why does the newspaper always tell me that something will close down when it already has been closed down? 01:29:57 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:30:32 <bruce89> papers always have yesterday's news 01:30:59 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7447D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:25 <fjb> But it should tell what will have been closed down, at least. 01:33:39 *** orudge [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 01:33:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 01:37:41 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B756F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:56:57 <fjb> Good night. 01:57:00 *** fjb [~frank@W9e11.w.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 02:22:47 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-28-4.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:35:01 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 02:35:01 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:19 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064091.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:53 *** bruce89 [~bruce@85-210-39-43.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:15:53 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB53E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:19:42 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:28:29 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-51-89.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:38:08 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-180.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Signed off] 03:46:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB53E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 03:50:50 *** nairan_ZZzz [~Maui_key@p5498D166.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:58 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498E67C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:05:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8288F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:44 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82B0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:06:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:27:39 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-130-239.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:13:24 *** Strid [gg@c-4d94e355.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:29:18 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-26-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:00:47 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-171-206.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:06:15 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-134-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:28 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 07:10:06 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 07:24:04 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 07:24:09 <dihedral> morning 07:29:58 *** dihedral is now known as dihedral|work 07:38:58 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39:16 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has joined #openttd 07:39:35 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:46:41 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has joined #openttd 07:48:00 *** asure [Aoi@c-76-105-147-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:21 <asure> Hello people, I bet you're all sleeping.. Infact I don't even know why I come here to ask a question.. hehe 07:49:12 <Noldo> now that's a great start 07:49:16 <asure> Haha 07:49:18 <boekabart> hi asure 07:49:27 <asure> So people are awake at this hour?! 07:49:33 <boekabart> rest asure-d, some people are awake :) 07:49:55 <asure> Ah 07:50:01 <boekabart> asure: 'this hour' doesn't mean anything on a world 07:50:22 <asure> Would you mind if I asked you guys for some insight into a little problem I'm having with OTTD? 07:50:33 <dihedral|work> you just asked a question 07:50:50 <asure> Ah I did indeed, but it does not pertain to OTTD specifically.. Right? 07:50:54 <asure> Atleast I think so, anyway.. 07:51:10 <dihedral|work> just ask - if nobody answers, ask again in 10 hours 07:51:14 <asure> haha 07:51:21 <asure> I'm having an issue with the vehicle replacement button, I really don't see it. I only see a manage vehicles button (Send to depot, etc) What's going on here, is there some patch or mod I have to enable to see it first? 07:51:37 <dihedral|work> version? 07:51:41 <boekabart> asure: first of all , what version do you use? 07:52:02 <asure> 0.5.3? 07:52:25 <asure> I think that is the latest version, but it might not be 07:53:13 <dihedral|work> vehicle list, button on the right hand side ('manage v') where v is a arrow pointing downwards 07:53:16 <dihedral|work> click and hold 07:54:31 <asure> Oh wow, I'm an idiot then I suppose.. 07:54:36 <asure> Sorry for such a simple question ;) 07:54:38 <asure> Thank you 07:54:52 <dihedral|work> you're welcome 07:54:59 <asure> for answering such a simple question* 07:55:18 <dihedral|work> * for showing you that you are.... just kidding :-P 07:55:32 * dihedral|work laughs 07:56:12 <asure> Oh, I'm well aware of how thick I can be sometimes. :) 07:58:42 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:58:45 <dihedral|work> same here, same here :-) 08:02:45 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has joined #openttd 08:17:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C667.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:18:12 <dihedral|work> asure: enjoy the feature :-P 08:18:50 *** boekabart [~boekabart@81.58.27.138] has left #openttd [] 08:22:43 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:24:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:31:53 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has joined #openttd 08:32:43 * dihedral|work greets Brianetta 08:36:17 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:03 * Brianetta is greeted 08:43:14 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 08:49:15 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0401B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:03:55 *** fjb [~frank@W9e11.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:04:01 <fjb> Hi 09:06:43 <dihedral|work> hello 09:17:38 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@wlan-145-94-220-99.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:51 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-252-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:10 *** gule [~Administr@89.212.216.30] has joined #openttd 09:45:03 *** gule [~Administr@89.212.216.30] has left #openttd [] 09:46:03 *** gule [~Administr@89.212.216.30] has joined #openttd 09:46:48 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: for pisg are you using the cache dir option? 09:50:19 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: it doesn't have any, so no 09:50:56 <dihedral|work> command line option -cf CacheDir="/path/to/config/dir" 09:50:57 <dihedral|work> :-) 09:51:06 <dihedral|work> works for me :-) 09:51:16 <dihedral|work> saves to a file called - 09:51:32 <TrueBrain> maybe I should update pisg then :p 09:51:39 <dihedral|work> so each channel should get a config dir 09:51:43 <dihedral|work> which version do you have? 09:52:24 *** kampasky [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:52:30 <dihedral|work> it's in the 0.70 documentation 09:53:37 <kampasky> Hey guys, any chance to restrict openttd-svn to a closed list of senders? it's not like anyone other than the bot should ever send stuff there... 09:54:03 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 09:54:19 <TrueBrain> kampasky: it is; only the bot is allowed to send via it 09:54:31 <TrueBrain> strangly enough, some spammer found a way to act like the bot... 09:54:45 <kampasky> it should also restrict envelopesender then 09:54:56 <TrueBrain> it does 09:55:08 <TrueBrain> the headers of the spam and real email are identical 09:55:13 <kampasky> Received: from [213.255.219.54] (helo=81.171.98.110) 09:55:13 <kampasky> by nl.openttd.org with smtp (Exim 4.67) 09:55:13 <kampasky> (envelope-from <catherinenoamack@gmail.com>) id 1IhMMM-0004ev-82 09:55:13 <kampasky> for svn@openttd.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:35:41 +0000 09:55:18 <kampasky> are they really? 09:55:19 <TrueBrain> huh? 09:55:27 <TrueBrain> it should check on that..... 09:55:32 * TrueBrain slaps mailman 09:55:38 <TrueBrain> it can be so annoying 09:55:41 <kampasky> of course even that protection is not perfect, but should cut off the spam rate a bit at least 09:55:53 <TrueBrain> I wish mailman had an IP filter for this 09:55:56 <TrueBrain> but I couldn't find it... 09:55:59 <kampasky> yeah :( 09:58:05 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:38 *** LeviathNL [LeviathNL@wlan-145-94-220-99.wlan.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:10:42 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: so what version of pisg do you have? 10:18:06 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:48 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 10:24:00 <TrueBrain> argh, I need a upnp av client for linux.. 10:24:04 <TrueBrain> djmount keeps giving: out of memory 10:24:07 <TrueBrain> annoying!! :p 10:24:20 <dihedral|work> free-av :-P 10:24:30 <dihedral|work> has a linux client 10:24:40 <TrueBrain> and how does a virus scanner going to help me? 10:25:05 <dihedral|work> oh 10:25:16 <dihedral|work> perhaps i should read every word you say (was missing the upnp) 10:25:24 <dihedral|work> just read av and linux :-P 10:25:33 <dihedral|work> and client 10:27:01 <TrueBrain> k, CacheDir works, tnx a bunch dihedral|work 10:28:09 <dihedral|work> :-) 10:28:23 <dihedral|work> otherwise pisg does use a bung and a gob 10:29:02 <dihedral|work> i was having pisg runn every hour for 2 channels, and all games just started laging 10:34:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F703.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:20 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:26 <Phazorx> tb so it does do caching it seems... 10:42:17 *** Markkisen [~shit@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 10:44:37 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-51-89.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:35 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-252-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:49 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-252-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:44 *** dihedral|work is now known as dihedral|lunch 10:56:03 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: clearly, hidden, but it does :p 10:57:08 <TrueBrain> stupid djmount keeps giving: out of memory 10:57:10 <TrueBrain> really: wtf?! :p 11:00:33 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-26-82.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:04 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-26-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:05:43 * dihedral|lunch greets Ammler 11:06:13 <Ammler> hu dihedral|lunch 11:06:40 <dihedral|lunch> irc-stats back up :-) found the caching feature :-P 11:06:50 <dihedral|lunch> just for the fun of it :-P 11:07:18 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 11:09:05 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:05 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-25-155.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:18:35 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-51-89.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:57 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-68-26.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:32 *** WITTU [~WITTU@e81-197-66-139.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:28:15 <WITTU> I cant figure out what i should write to the ttd patch and to get it work right 11:29:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-68-26.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:20 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 11:29:55 *** WITTU [~WITTU@e81-197-66-139.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 11:32:05 *** dihedral|lunch is now known as dihedral|work 11:37:24 <TrueBrain> wow, joining a channel for 4 minutes, asking a question after 3 minutes, and not waiting any reply be leaving after 1 minute 11:37:28 <TrueBrain> people still amaze me 11:37:48 <dihedral|work> and asking a question in the wrong channel :-P 11:37:53 <TrueBrain> pff, the things you have to do to get your patch accepted by ffmpeg... 11:38:06 <TrueBrain> I had to show tcpdumps to proof I was right... 11:38:21 <dihedral|work> things one has to do to get patches into ottd 11:38:26 <dihedral|work> heh - there is nothing one could do 11:38:52 <dihedral|work> appart from being patient and let devs work in their own time :-P 11:40:08 <TrueBrain> well, if you think ottd sucks, try ffmpeg :p 11:40:09 <TrueBrain> lol 11:40:51 <dihedral|work> i never said anything along those lines 11:40:58 <dihedral|work> i think ottd is great 11:41:16 <dihedral|work> for being at 0.x release versions :-) 11:41:25 <dihedral|work> and you guys put a lot of work in 11:41:26 <TrueBrain> :) 11:41:35 <TrueBrain> Slijmbal 11:41:39 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-26-82.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:40 <dihedral|work> yet i somtimes miss some more admin features 11:41:43 <TrueBrain> :p 11:41:52 <TrueBrain> there simply are no admin functions :p 11:42:03 <TrueBrain> NoAI should be finished, so Squirrel can be added as console script 11:42:09 <TrueBrain> that opens up a lot of posibility :) 11:42:13 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-26-82.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:42:24 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: it's still stuff like setting company passwords from the console 11:42:44 <dihedral|work> and stuff like the 'reload config' patch :-) 11:43:11 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: which is much easier to allow via Squirrel, yes 11:43:54 <dihedral|work> the reloading of the config? 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14:04:21 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: finish NoAI 14:04:56 <dihedral|work> TrueBrain: i dont have the skills 14:05:09 <TrueBrain> finishing NoAI doesn't require skills, just a lot of time 14:07:46 <dihedral|work> i shall have a snoop around the code 14:08:57 <dihedral|work> and see if i find anything that i could possibly be of any help at 14:09:03 <dihedral|work> :-P 14:09:23 * Sacro wants a bottle of vodka and commit rights! 14:09:40 <TrueBrain> Sacro: proof your worthyness :) 14:09:48 <Sacro> *prove :) 14:09:56 <TrueBrain> failure 14:09:57 <TrueBrain> k :p 14:10:14 <Ailure> mmmhhhhhhhh$BgO(B 14:10:40 <Sacro> not as much a failure as him ^^ 14:10:59 <Ailure> :p 14:11:36 <Sacro> that was almost "special" 14:16:09 <dihedral|work> _almost_ 14:16:21 <Ailure> mmm 14:16:24 <Ailure> damn i'm tired 14:16:30 <Ailure> I have too much fun 14:17:15 <dihedral|work> you get tired from too much fun? 14:17:26 <dihedral|work> your parents must have had a very easy life with you 14:17:42 <Ailure> Actually I just had a exam and studied like hell 14:17:54 <Ailure> and only slept two hours last night 14:17:58 <Ailure> almost wrote that as two horses 14:18:06 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:18:08 <TrueBrain> It's the... EYE of the tiger (8) 14:19:59 <Ailure> Trying to decode that smiley 14:20:01 <Ailure> is screwing with my head 14:20:40 <dihedral|work> it's not a smily - it's an 8 wrapped in brackets 14:35:21 <Ammler> grf2html for 4LV takes long... 14:37:51 <Ammler> there are also Linux gurus here, how can I run a command for every grf in the pack? (wine grf2html.exe <grf>) 14:38:04 <Ammler> I would also have a list, if that would help 14:38:08 <TrueBrain> for i in `ls *.grf`; do wine grf2html.exe $i; done 14:38:22 <Ammler> ah, try that 14:38:58 <Ammler> TrueBrain: they are in subfolders, does that work too? 14:39:06 <TrueBrain> ls */*.grf 14:39:09 <TrueBrain> scans 1-deep 14:40:20 <dihedral|work> find . -type f -name "*.grf" -exec wine grf2html.exe '{}' ';' 14:40:22 <Ammler> if I have a list like that http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/blog/files/downloads/grfpacks/ottdc_grfpack.cfg, I could run cat <list> instead of ls *.grf 14:40:25 <glx> find and grep can manage recursion too 14:40:32 <TrueBrain> Ammler: yes 14:41:06 <TrueBrain> dihedral|work: find sucks for those jobs, as the syntax sucks ass 14:41:25 <dihedral|work> was just a thought 14:41:30 <TrueBrain> find * | grep ".grf$" | xargs -n 1 wine grf2html.exe 14:41:34 <TrueBrain> also an option ;) 14:41:42 <Sacro> glx: yay, another person who uses find | grep 14:41:50 *** gule [~Administr@89.212.216.30] has left #openttd [] 14:41:56 <Ammler> I made the list with tree 14:41:58 <TrueBrain> but I like fors, as you can alter the $i value ;) 14:42:16 *** Markkisen [~shit@h-85-24-202-23.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 14:42:58 <TrueBrain> cat <list> | xargs -n 1 wine grf2html.exe 14:43:01 <TrueBrain> lol, many options :p 14:43:06 <Ammler> tree -if ottdc_grfpack | grep -i "GRF$" > ottdc_grfpack.cfg 14:43:29 <TrueBrain> tree -if ottdc_grfpack | grep -i "GRF$" | xargs -n1 wine grf2html.exe 14:44:09 <Ammler> hmm, nice, thanks very much guys 14:45:15 <Sacro> none use awk :( 14:45:30 <TrueBrain> too tricky for such simple tasks 14:47:38 <frosch123> Ammler: Try grf2html --nodata <- that is a lot faster :) 14:48:05 <Ammler> then, I have no images? 14:48:14 <Ammler> thats enough for reading nfo :) 14:48:31 <frosch123> depends, if you have generated the images before. 14:48:34 <Ammler> seems to be a cool tool frosch123 14:48:48 <frosch123> nice, if it is useful for you. 14:48:49 <Belugas> it is, believe me 14:49:06 <Ammler> yeah, I just try to understand some grfs 14:49:58 <Ammler> frosch123: has it something to do with the grfmaker? 14:50:07 <Ammler> or do they just share same svn repo 14:50:33 <Belugas> only sharing plus both written in Delphi 14:53:15 <Ammler> ok, 4lv is a litte bit too big for it, 50% done in about half an hour. 14:53:25 <frosch123> Note: If you decode a station, industry or house grf, you should not use the --nodata switch. It will skip the bounding box preview :) <- that is my favorite feature 14:53:45 <frosch123> err, that does not sound correct. 14:53:51 <fjb> Hm, maybe you could compile grf2html on Linux using Free Pascal? 14:53:55 <Ammler> is it because of wine? 14:54:18 <frosch123> No grf is big enough to take longer than a minute or two. 14:54:37 <Ammler> ok, I try it on windows then.... 14:55:04 <frosch123> I am very sure, that I also testes 4LV with wine. 14:55:33 <Ammler> Sysinfo for 'inspiron-suse': Linux 2.6.18.8-0.7-default running KDE 3.5.5 "release 45.4", CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz at 1000 MHz (3657 bogomips), HD: 80/141GB, RAM: 1976/2026MB, 152 proc's, 2.13h up 14:55:59 <Ammler> so the hardware couln't be quilty 14:56:04 <frosch123> much bigger machine than mine :) 14:56:19 <Ammler> oh, maybe the network 14:56:26 <Ammler> hehe 14:56:41 <frosch123> Yes that could be, it creates a lot of files. 14:56:44 <Ammler> its a samba share, :) 14:57:31 <frosch123> Under windows there is a big speed up, if you run grf2html a second time, when the files allready exist and only get overwritten. 14:59:56 <Ammler> frosch123: Action 10 would be nice with seeing the char, if possible 15:00:16 <frosch123> fjb: I already tried to compile it using lazarus, but it kept printing stupid errors I did not understood. I guess there are some subtle differences in "class" syntax. 15:00:20 <Ammler> and of course, Action 7/9 too then... 15:00:40 <frosch123> What do you mean with "char"? 15:00:57 <Ammler> Label ID 15:00:57 <Ammler> 0x52 15:01:01 <Ammler> -> R 15:01:10 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:35 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has joined #openttd 15:02:41 <frosch123> Interessting, who encodes label IDs with characters? 15:03:04 <frosch123> I.e. which grf does that? 15:03:12 <Ammler> oh, is that stupid 15:03:29 <Ammler> my first try to fix the aircraft speed has that 15:03:50 <Ammler> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Airmod.grf#Source 15:04:20 <Ammler> 35 * 14 10 "Running costs" 15:04:39 <Ammler> 23 * 6 07 01 01 02 FF "R" 15:07:44 *** Markkisen [~shit@h-85-24-202-23.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:58 *** Markkisen [~shit@h13n2fls301o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:59 <frosch123> Ok, 4LV takes three minutes over the network here. one second with --nodata :) 15:11:07 <Ammler> my "fileserver" is a really old maschine 15:19:21 <fjb> I have the strong feeling that the combi presignals have some bugs... 15:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, they just have poor semantics 15:21:27 <fjb> Why does a train choose the occupied platform and not the free one? It can reach both. :-( 15:21:48 <hylje> hmmmm 15:21:59 <hylje> is a switch-based pathing mechanism feasible? 15:22:17 <hylje> rather than train-based 15:22:20 <glx> like PBS? 15:22:59 <hylje> it'd work like pbs 15:23:32 <Sacro> hylje: yes, thats what tekky was working on 15:23:40 <hylje> aww 15:24:25 <fjb> Anyway, the train should choose the free platform. There is a switch betwenn the train and the two platforms. In front of both platforms are block end signals. In front of the switch is a combi presignal. 15:24:51 <fjb> Will Tekki ever come back...? 15:25:05 <hylje> fjb: that works great, you're doing something wrong. the coop people do huge stations based on that all the time 15:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> i assume it's poor signalling on your part, fjb 15:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i have to catch a bus now... 15:26:42 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489D443.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:56 <fjb> Ok, I'm also away for about half an hour. 15:27:07 <Ammler> fjb: provide us with screen or save 15:27:10 *** fjb is now known as fjbAWAY 15:32:00 <Ammler> 4lv 2html done :) 15:38:16 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489D84F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:49 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: AntB, +tokai, gfldex_, KouDy, Nitehawk, DJ_Mirage, frosch123, Deathmaker, BigBB, _karma 15:39:05 *** Netsplit over, joins: KouDy, AntB, frosch123, Deathmaker, BigBB, +tokai, gfldex_, _karma, DJ_Mirage, Nitehawk 15:42:07 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4616.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:42:18 <skidd13> Hi 15:43:17 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489D443.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:22 <skidd13> Can I set defines via Configure/Makefile? 15:49:51 <Progman> which one do you want to set? 15:51:35 * dihedral|work greets 15:52:52 <skidd13> Progman: MERSENNE_TWISTER 15:53:32 <skidd13> I'm thinking of something like "./configure --enable-mersene" 15:57:50 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:14 <Ammler> ah, I see, you are using Action10 only with labe E0..., hmm, why? 16:00:52 *** dihedral|work is now known as dihedral|away 16:03:35 <Ammler> hmm, just for downwards compatibility 16:09:49 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:17 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:14:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:14:55 *** Moriarty [~Moriarty@cpc3-cdif1-0-0-cust286.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:52 *** Moriarty [~Moriarty@cpc3-cdif1-0-0-cust286.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 16:18:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7447D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:50 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B7447D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 16:23:52 <Progman> can you confirm this? If you buy and engine and add a waggon which supports different cargos the "change cargo type" button get not updated (only half by a MarkDirty call from the money raising in the trains viewport) 16:26:13 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:28:50 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4616.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:28:53 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4616.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:59 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: FlowaPowa] 16:29:12 <skidd13> I've to leave for now. See you later. 16:29:12 *** Markkisen [~shit@h13n2fls301o1036.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:16 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4616.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 16:30:16 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-180.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Signed off] 16:30:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:30:36 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:32:59 *** mucht_work [~martin@143.50.125.77] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:34:25 <Wolf01> hello 16:37:17 *** Markkisen [~shit@h13n2fls301o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:05 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.66] has joined #openttd 16:54:19 <UnderBuilder> heh it is nice to see patch developers helping ottd 16:54:57 <UnderBuilder> and will be even better if it also happens viceversa 17:06:42 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:40 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:50 *** fjbAWAY is now known as fjb 17:14:10 <Ammler> SpComb: Is it possible to delete or stop Server on myottd.net? 17:14:30 <Ammler> my tests are still in the official list 17:14:53 <Ammler> I stopped them many times, but seems not working 17:16:28 <SpComb> the servers.openttd.org list? 17:16:53 <SpComb> do you mean the 1/2/3 servers? 17:17:25 <Ammler> http://ammler.myottd.net/ 17:18:08 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0401B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 17:18:19 <SpComb> hmm... Stop works fine on my servers 17:18:26 <SpComb> what happens after you hit Stop? 17:18:29 <Ammler> yeah, I can stop them 17:18:39 <Ammler> but maybe after some days 17:18:49 *** nightstalker [~Alex@p5494C1D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:55 <Ammler> I find them on the list and have to stop them an other time 17:18:56 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:19:12 <Ammler> and how to delete? 17:19:19 <SpComb> I recently changed it such that stopping a server should cause it to not start up anymore 17:19:26 <SpComb> there's no way to delete servers, you can only stop them 17:19:31 <Ammler> ah, ok 17:19:44 <Ammler> maybe last time I stopped, was before your changes 17:20:10 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 17:20:10 <Ammler> !logs 17:20:24 <Ammler> ^^ Do you host that? 17:20:45 <Ammler> Possible you could add #openttdcoop there? 17:21:48 <Wolf01> Channel not online: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'getHighestFlag' « 17:22:16 <Wolf01> i really like this log :D 17:23:40 <Wolf01> uhm.. i should enable javascript sometimes 17:24:01 <Wolf01> (but the error is there) 17:25:27 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-131-34-109.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:31 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-252-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:36 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-61-183.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:16 <UnderBuilder> what is wwottdg? 17:28:16 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-176-223.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:28:20 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-176-223.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:48 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-131-25-155.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:31:22 <Progman> world wide ottd game 17:33:07 <Ammler> --day 17:33:41 <Ammler> join #wwottdgd 17:35:51 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-61-183.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]] 17:40:59 <UnderBuilder> what is is? a openttd mod? 17:41:19 <glx> they raised the client limit 17:41:43 <UnderBuilder> but not the company limit 17:42:46 <UnderBuilder> will be hard to raise it to 16? 17:43:06 <UnderBuilder> (16 = total number of CC 17:43:08 <UnderBuilder> ) 17:43:21 <glx> may lack of free space in map 17:43:30 <glx> but I didn't check 17:49:12 *** LionsPhil [~phil@leviathan.proggle.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:13 *** bruce89 [~bruce@85-210-39-43.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 17:51:26 <Ammler> hmm, I guess the limit of companies is much harder, then the limit I patched. 17:51:36 <Ammler> was only changing a constant 17:52:31 <glx> client number is just a memory thing :) 17:54:33 <Ammler> YouTube link == Ban <-- serious? 17:54:39 <Ammler> :) 17:54:50 <bruce89> try it and find out 17:54:55 <LionsPhil> Is bankrupcy supposed to actually sell off your assets, as the news report claims? 17:55:15 <Ammler> I am wondering which movie was the source to make this rule 17:55:33 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 17:55:33 <Ammler> !logs 17:55:41 <LionsPhil> Might just have been influx of "hey dudes check out this cool vid" ;) 17:56:04 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@82-170-104-119.dsl.ip.12move.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:09 <bruce89> Ammler: probably 17:56:18 <Ammler> but sometimes I say really nice videos here 17:56:26 <Ammler> releated to trains specially 17:56:40 <UnderBuilder> www.youtube.com/notalink :) 17:56:55 <UnderBuilder> (joke) 17:56:57 <UnderBuilder> :P 17:57:04 <bruce89> you've done it now 17:57:21 <LionsPhil> Good job it's not triggered automagically by the bot. 17:57:42 <bruce89> now there's an idea 17:57:46 <UnderBuilder> noone understands my sense of humour 17:58:11 <Ammler> !s/say/saw/ 17:59:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: miham * r11267 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:59:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-10-15 19:58:13 17:59:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by fukumori (1) 17:59:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 12 fixed by thetitan (12) 17:59:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 118 fixed, 32 changed by jhsoby (150) 17:59:17 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: swedish - 1 fixed by ChrillDeVille (1) 17:59:17 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 22 changed by mad (22) 17:59:22 <Sacro> @kick UnderBuilder posting youtube links 17:59:26 <Sacro> aww :( 18:00:34 <bruce89> @lastseen Belugas 18:03:29 <UnderBuilder> heh the wwottdgd binary's version is 0.5.99.0 18:04:13 <Ammler> oh, only this Rabigram 18:04:19 <bruce89> @seen Belugas 18:04:20 <DorpsGek> bruce89: Belugas was last seen in #openttd 3 hours, 13 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Belugas> only sharing plus both written in Delphi 18:05:09 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@82-170-104-119.dsl.ip.12move.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:06:56 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:28 *** nightstalker [~Alex@p5494C1D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nightstalkers Don't Quit.] 18:09:17 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:17 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:26 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0408A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:29 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd 18:18:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:19:12 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:08 *** boekabar2 [~bdb@dhcp-077-249-130-156.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:55 <Wolf01> [information] i finished the curved road tiles for the brickland 18:26:20 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:17 *** boekabart [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:28 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-116-19.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:27:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-26-82.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:16 *** nite97m [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:49 <Sacro> [information] i want some tea 18:33:16 <boekabar2> Sacro: via DCC ok? 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Looks like there was one spot missing. Thanks frosch 18:40:09 <Belugas> bruce89, you requesst re-opening of FS1331 can yu expand? 18:40:49 <bruce89> there is no music on start now 18:41:08 <Belugas> can you activate the music afterward? 18:42:44 <bruce89> yes, when playing, there is music 18:42:56 <bruce89> just the main screen on first start has none 18:44:01 <Belugas> i 18:44:05 <Belugas> ll check tonigh 18:44:24 <Belugas> anyone that confirms/infirms this? 18:45:23 <Wolf01> confirmed 18:46:54 <Wolf01> i can hear the music only during play 18:47:05 <Wolf01> or when i return to main title 18:47:13 <Wolf01> but not when i run openttd 18:47:32 *** LionsPhil [~phil@leviathan.proggle.net] has left #openttd [--lurk;] 18:55:16 *** waxman [~cfluegel@static.88-198-83-123.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: :wq] 18:55:21 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 18:56:34 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:58:04 <bruce89> how do I build a debug version? 18:58:47 <Noldo> ./configure --help 18:58:56 <bruce89> right 18:59:17 <Noldo> don't remember the exact syntax so you should check it 18:59:44 <bruce89> ./configure --enable-debug 18:59:55 <Belugas> bruce89, i cannot reopen fs1331. i fear you should open a new one (which would make sens since it's not the same bug) or wait for Rubidium to be online 18:59:55 <Noldo> add =3 19:00:07 <bruce89> Belugas: right 19:00:11 <bruce89> Noldo: likeeise 19:02:37 <bruce89> Belugas: 1339 19:02:45 <Belugas> i've seen 19:02:47 <Belugas> thanks 19:03:07 <Belugas> it is shown on #openttd.notice 19:03:11 <bruce89> ah 19:07:26 <SmatZ> bruce89: do you have this problem on both windows and linux? 19:07:41 <bruce89> I don't know about the no music problem 19:07:56 <bruce89> certainly the old random music one was on both 19:08:17 <SmatZ> ah... 19:12:05 <bruce89> looking at http://hg.openttd.org:8000/svn/trunk.hg/rev/8613fa9a5142 19:12:31 <bruce89> in the else, it only resets the music, it doesn't play it 19:12:39 <SmatZ> music doesn't work for me under linux... 19:12:57 <SmatZ> and I have this problems for so long time 19:13:10 <SmatZ> do I even forgot I could report this bug 19:14:25 <peterbrett> The sound & music are annoying anyway 19:14:38 <peterbrett> I always use the null sound device *shrug* 19:16:05 <SmatZ> :-) 19:16:08 <SmatZ> I like the sounds 19:16:13 <SmatZ> escpecially trains 19:16:29 <SmatZ> but the music - maybe is something wrong in my system 19:17:20 <glx> do you have timidity++ installed? 19:17:29 <SmatZ> yes, and timidity use flag 19:19:44 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:32 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-116-19.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:38 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-116-19.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:26:51 <SmatZ> how can I use timidity ? 19:26:57 <SmatZ> I see only 19:27:09 <SmatZ> ./openttd -m 19:27:20 <SmatZ> extmidi: External MIDI Driver ; null: Null Music Driver\ 19:27:35 <glx> extmidi is set in cfg 19:28:10 <SmatZ> what is 'extmidi'? 19:29:11 <glx> the external midi program, like timidity :) 19:29:31 <SmatZ> thanks :) 19:30:59 <SmatZ> timidity gm_tt03.gm 19:31:02 <SmatZ> it plays the music 19:31:08 <SmatZ> but I cannot hear music in ottd 19:31:15 <SmatZ> looks like ottd problem... 19:31:57 * Sacro fancies pizza 19:33:54 <bruce89> I've done a bit of investigation 19:34:13 <bruce89> ResetMusic() is called a huge number of times on first start 19:34:52 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-53-71.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:35:56 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 19:37:12 <Digitalfox> I don't understand much about codecs and encodings of videos.. But i just convert an 178MB AVI ( codec divx 5.0 ) to a 111MB AVI ( codec Xvid 6.0 ) and i don't see loss on image quality.. Is this normal shouldn't i see some image quality loss?? 19:37:56 <Rubidium> Digitalfox: there is image quality loss, *but* 19:38:07 <Rubidium> computers usually display about 16 million colours 19:38:23 <Rubidium> humans can only distinguish about 2 million colours 19:38:49 <Rubidium> computers (or rather the displays) cannot display all of those 2 million colours 19:39:03 <bruce89> there will be a loss if you recompress an already compressed file 19:39:05 <Rubidium> and the image is moving, so you won't notice small changes either 19:39:50 <Digitalfox> Oh ok Rubidium i never thought about that point, and it does have logic.. So i guess i may reencode my videos collections.. If i gain 65MB on a file, then on GB of videos i'll win also GB of space :) 19:42:03 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: FlowaPowa] 19:42:17 *** Strid [gg@c-2894e355.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:42:38 <UnderBuilder> hehe I remember that I managed to run ottd on a p1 with 32mb of ram 19:43:09 <SmatZ> I was running TTD on 486/33 with 8MB :) 19:43:36 <SmatZ> bruce89: nice investigation 19:43:39 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:46 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:43:59 <bruce89> really, it's only 2 printfs 19:44:11 <SmatZ> yes 19:44:11 *** boekabar2 [~bdb@dhcp-077-249-130-156.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:44:28 <SmatZ> but you was the first to do that 2 printfs :) 19:46:31 <bruce89> now all I need to do is fix it 19:46:36 <Sacro> we should s/^/printf $linenumber;/ 19:46:42 <Sacro> that'd be useful for debugging 19:47:04 *** boekabar2 [~bdb@dhcp-077-249-130-156.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:47:14 *** BigBB is now known as BigBB_afk 19:53:20 <bruce89> _game_mode is 0 19:54:05 <bruce89> which it should be 19:54:30 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387C667.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:55:47 <glx> yes it's the menu :) 19:56:47 <SmatZ> glx: are you using Linux and music is working for you? 19:57:25 <glx> SmatZ: I'm not using linux 19:58:14 <SmatZ> :( 19:58:58 <bruce89> what's msf.playing supposed to be 19:59:11 <glx> a bool 19:59:52 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11269 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: user customisable faces. Patch by BigBB. 19:59:53 <bruce89> is it supposed to be true when starting 20:01:04 <Wolf01> yeah, faces patch 20:02:10 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:02:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:05:38 <Sacro> oh noes, a Bjarni 20:06:39 * Wolf01 hides 20:06:56 * Bjarni hides 20:07:19 <Prof_Frink> 99..100 20:07:26 * Prof_Frink sees Wolf01 20:07:30 * Prof_Frink sees Bjarni 20:07:32 <Wolf01> doh 20:07:38 <Bjarni> you can't see me 20:07:41 <Bjarni> I'm hiding 20:07:52 <Prof_Frink> Lies. 20:08:03 * Prof_Frink awaits the inevitable 20:08:10 <Wolf01> uhm, assertion failed on faces.h 20:08:20 <Wolf01> *player_face.h 20:08:23 <Bjarni> doh 20:08:34 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: why did you wait for that? 20:08:50 <Prof_Frink> uh? 20:09:01 <Prof_Frink> You haven't kicked me... 20:09:11 <Bjarni> why should I do that? 20:09:29 <Prof_Frink> Well, it would effectively hide you from me. 20:09:34 * Rubidium slaps Wolf01... you should've tested it more! 20:09:43 <Rubidium> before I committed it ;) 20:09:53 <glx> lol 20:10:00 <Prof_Frink> Now, you have so socially engineer me to type /ignore Bjarni 20:10:18 <Prof_Frink> Except, as we know, engineers are not social creatures 20:10:32 <Bjarni> hahaha 20:10:43 <Bjarni> then you haven't met me 20:11:24 <Prof_Frink> Yes, engineers, as a rule, don't sing very loudly, very badly in Scottish pubs. 20:11:27 <Bjarni> well, some engineers aren't really social, but it's not a general thing 20:11:45 <Bjarni> well, I don't go to Scottish pubs 20:11:56 <Bjarni> and I don't sing very loudly either 20:12:02 <Bjarni> so I guess you have a point 20:12:11 <bruce89> hoy 20:12:26 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: I take it you've heard the joke "What's the difference between an introvert engineer and an extrovert engineer?" 20:12:32 <Bjarni> but then again wouldn't it be bad to declare how engineers are based on a single engineer? 20:13:01 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 20:13:11 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: But to solve that, you'd have to find a group of engineers 20:14:20 <Bjarni> actually I haven't 20:14:43 <Wolf01> for what unknown reason exists the face setting variable on openttd.cfg? 20:15:25 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: An introvert engineer looks at his feet when talking to you. An extrovert engineer looks at *your* feet. 20:15:39 <Bjarni> he 20:16:21 <Bjarni> I don't look at feet 20:16:37 <SmatZ> bruce89: I found, where the problem is for me - I can use one of sound or music, but not both of them 20:16:39 <Wolf01> the error is: 20:16:39 <Wolf01> assert: /foo/bar/player_face.h, line 102, val < _pf_info[pfv].valid_values[ge] 20:17:01 <glx> SmatZ: use a sound "server" 20:17:07 <bruce89> SmatZ: I was working on a different problem 20:17:21 <SmatZ> glx: what is that? 20:17:21 <bruce89> the fact that music doesn't start on OpenTTD starting 20:17:32 <SmatZ> bruce89: ah, yes... 20:17:42 <Wolf01> it occurs on new game generation, but not every time 20:17:48 <Bjarni> SmatZ: known issue on certain issues. I can't remember how to solve it though, but it looks like glx knows 20:18:04 <Wolf01> so i think is caused of a randome face generated on new game 20:18:15 <Bjarni> it has something to do with not allowing more than one app to talk to the sound card or something like that 20:18:16 <glx> there are some program to "share" a sound device 20:18:42 <SmatZ> Bjarni: most likely my system has some problems ... it happened some time ago, and I cannot use two programs with sound output :-/ 20:18:53 <SmatZ> glx: thanks, I will try to solve it 20:19:03 <glx> esd is one of them 20:19:16 <bruce89> got it 20:19:33 <SmatZ> glx: what about alsa or oss? 20:19:40 <SmatZ> and arts? 20:19:48 <glx> arts is a bitch :) 20:19:54 <glx> never worked for me 20:20:10 <SmatZ> it doesn't work for me neither :) 20:20:15 <bruce89> PulseAudio 20:20:20 <Rubidium> Wolf01: can't reproduce it with like 20 tries 20:20:22 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:02 <bruce89> should the music change when you go into a game from the menu? 20:23:02 *** asure [Aoi@c-76-105-147-18.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:21 <SmatZ> bruce89: it should start to play random/first song of your playlist 20:25:29 <bruce89> hmm 20:25:29 <SmatZ> as I remember from TTD 20:26:25 <SmatZ> openttd: /mnt/svn/openttd/trunk/src/player_face.h:102: void SetPlayerFaceBits(PlayerFace&, PlayerFaceVariable, GenderEthnicity, uint): Assertion `val < _pf_info[pfv].valid_values[ge]' failed. 20:26:35 <Wolf01> Rubidium, tried on debug? 20:26:40 <SmatZ> after loading first savegame I come to... 20:26:44 <SmatZ> do you want that save? 20:27:15 <Rubidium> Wolf01: I virtually never run without debug 20:27:32 <Wolf01> :D 20:28:10 <Wolf01> http://paste.openttd.org/247 this is my cfg 20:28:20 <SmatZ> Rubidium: http://88.146.45.107/ttd/face.sav try to load this game, it crashes 20:29:46 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:32 <SmatZ> buggy patches are accepted, but my are not :-/ that really decreases my mood 20:30:58 <Wolf01> s/buggy/popular :P 20:31:59 <Rubidium> SmatZ: as if every one of your patches has been absolutely bug free... 20:33:23 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11270 /trunk/src/players.cpp: -Fix (r11269): black people only have one eye colour. 20:33:46 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: Reread the Patch Acceptance regs 20:33:59 <Prof_Frink> Specifically the "Sexual favours" section 20:34:45 *** bbp215 [~asdad@pool-70-16-134-7.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7C19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:30 <skidd13> Hi again 20:38:10 <Wolf01> hi skidd13 20:39:46 <skidd13> I asked earlier today but didn't get any satisfying answer. Am I able to set defines by Configure or Makefile? (I'm thinking of the mersenne twister) 20:40:24 <Rubidium> yes, via CFLAGS you are 20:40:42 <Rubidium> but I wonder why you want to use mersenne 20:41:40 <skidd13> Rubidium: Why not. I like to try "hidden" parts of OTTD. ;) How is the syntax for the CFLAGS stuff? 20:41:57 <Rubidium> CFLAGS=-DMERSENNE 20:42:11 <Rubidium> either after ./configure or make 20:42:19 <skidd13> Thanks 20:43:16 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-237-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:42 <skidd13> Rubidium: Checked the update of the update of FS1338? 20:45:01 <skidd13> Hmm one update too much :( 20:45:07 <Rubidium> nope 20:45:25 <dihedral> hello 20:45:30 <skidd13> hi 20:45:31 <Wolf01> Rubidium, it continues to assert 20:45:37 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:11 <Rubidium> Wolf01, rule 1: make it easily reproducable for a dev, or easy to see where changes are needed. 20:49:00 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, does Rule 34 apply to openttd? 20:49:24 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11271 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Fix [FS#1333]: some (very) old games (TTD original scenarios for example) would give a new vehicle spree, even though the vehicles were introduced decades ago. 20:49:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Progman> can you confirm this? If you buy and engine and add a waggon which supports different cargos the "change cargo type" button get not updated (only half by a MarkDirty call from the money raising in the trains viewport) <- i can confirm that 20:49:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:41 <Wolf01> more easy than this... it asserts every sin(3*pi) mod 5 times i try to make a new random game 20:49:50 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@82.152.218.204] has joined #openttd 20:50:29 <mcbane> yes eddi it happens. 20:50:32 <Rubidium> every 0 times? 20:50:58 <Wolf01> i put an odd function 20:51:14 <SmatZ> is OTTD supposed to load all old ttdpatch games? 20:51:17 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 20:51:30 <Wolf01> but i think that one of the four kinds of faces trigger the assertion 20:51:42 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: load: yes; load correct: not yet 20:52:55 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: ok... I am having an assert for some games... maybe the problem is somewhere else, too... openttd: /mnt/svn/openttd/trunk/src/oldpool.h:113: T* OldMemoryPool<T>::Get(uint) const [with T = Vehicle]: Assertion `index < this->GetSize()' failed. 20:55:44 <Rubidium> SmatZ: line 1234 of oldloader.cpp I presume? 20:56:21 <dihedral> can i anywhere find text on what the aim of noai is and what still needs doing? 20:56:29 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.84.89.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:59 <SmatZ> Rubidium: I am recompiling... maybe I used ttdalter for these games, too 20:57:07 <Rubidium> dihedral: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/AI:Main_Page ? 20:57:19 <bruce89> Ben_1: something funny has happened 20:58:13 <Ben_1> bruce89: whats that then? 20:58:24 <bruce89> your name 20:58:28 <dihedral> thanks Rubidium 20:58:59 *** Ben_1 is now known as _Ben_ 20:59:01 <_Ben_> sorted 21:02:04 <SmatZ> Rubidium: yes, 1234 ... is it because of multiheaded trains? 21:02:12 <dihedral> Rubidium: that is documentation on how to write an ai using squirrel 21:02:39 <dihedral> i was more interested in finding out what still needs doing 21:02:49 <Rubidium> SmatZ: no, more TTDPs "lot of vehicles" thingy 21:03:24 <Rubidium> by default a few hundred vehicles are allocated, but now it needs more and by accident a vehicle references to another vehicle with a way higher index. 21:04:07 <SmatZ> Rubidium: so the number of "vehicle arrays" was not stored in ttdpatch games? 21:06:00 <Rubidium> I've got no idea 21:06:43 <Rubidium> does http://rbijker.net/openttd/oldloader_vehicle_crash.diff solve it? 21:09:21 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:31 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:16:39 <Rubidium> SmatZ? 21:16:57 <Sacro> mmm 21:17:00 <SmatZ> Rubidium: looks so 21:17:08 <SmatZ> GetVehiclePoolSize() <= _old_next_ptr 21:17:14 <SmatZ> except this direction of comparison 21:17:20 <SmatZ> I was trying other savegames 21:17:26 <SmatZ> I had only 61 trains 21:17:38 <SmatZ> so if I didn't lose some after loading 21:21:50 <SmatZ> but probably not a 'perfect' patch 21:22:01 <SmatZ> one train seem to be missing its tail 21:22:38 *** peterbrett [~peter@ptbb2b.girton.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:15 <Ailure> r11265 maedhros 2007-10-14 23:20:12 +0200 (Sun, 14 Oct 2007) 2 lines 21:23:15 <Ailure> -Feature: Make more advanced rail types more expensive to build. 21:23:17 <Ailure> intresting 21:23:20 <Ailure> by how much though 21:23:44 <DaleStan> SmatZ, Rubidium: It is. It's even so documented in the savegame bible: http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/sv1codec/TTD-locations.html 21:24:13 <bruce89> Ailure: http://hg.openttd.org:8000/svn/trunk.hg/rev/86280ec78ebe 21:24:40 <Ailure> ah 21:25:06 <Ailure> 165->240->466 21:25:13 <Ailure> was just gonna compare ingame 21:25:14 <Ailure> nice 21:25:22 <Ailure> I guess monorail is inbetween :P 21:25:57 <Wolf01> 'night 21:25:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host240-239-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:26:45 <Ailure> so now there's fnally a cost diffrence between regular and electrical railway 21:27:07 <Ailure> thaht was something I always thought was silly 21:27:26 *** Betalord [~notgiven@89.212.76.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:36 <Bjarni> http://tesladownunder.com/Tesladownunder's%20Car%20Theft%20Pevention%201000.jpg <-- that's most likely the most efficient car thief protection that I have ever seen 21:27:41 <SmatZ> DaleStan: nice piece of text :) 21:27:42 <Bjarni> but... how do you get out? :) 21:27:49 <Ailure> haha 21:27:53 <Ailure> using a tesla coil 21:27:54 <SmatZ> :-D 21:27:55 <Ailure> nice 21:28:07 <Ailure> ...I think that's a tesla coil at least 21:28:07 <Ailure> bit hard to see 21:28:09 <Bjarni> it is 21:28:18 <Ailure> heh 21:28:31 <Bjarni> hint: the domain name is "tesla down under", so it's a tesla coil guy in Australia 21:28:35 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Not really 21:28:46 <Ailure> it so remind sme about the idea of a forcefield 21:28:53 <Prof_Frink> A couple of Prism Tanks and *boom* 21:28:54 <Ailure> excpet it's probably not strong enough to stop bullets 21:29:00 <Ailure> living things however :) 21:29:21 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: usually this will scare away car thiefs.... they know shit about electricity 21:29:40 <Prof_Frink> Or, indeed... 21:29:44 <Ailure> it reminds me about a car in a bond movie actually 21:29:46 <Prof_Frink> KIROV REPORTING 21:29:52 <Ailure> which zapped some people who tried to mess with Bond's car 21:30:12 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-130-239.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 21:30:23 <Prof_Frink> What was he doing with a German car anyway?? 21:30:43 <skidd13> I remember a guy in mexico who added a few flamethrowers to his car to protect him against robbery. 21:30:47 <Ailure> well 21:30:53 <Ailure> the car is basically a faraway cage 21:31:12 <Prof_Frink> skidd13: Was South Africa iirc 21:31:22 <skidd13> Could be 21:31:26 <Ailure> although the bolts only seem to touch the car on the front 21:33:41 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:37 <Bjarni> http://tesladownunder.com/Tesla18Dalek10006Ft.jpg <-- this is the guy who owns the car 21:34:48 <Bjarni> maybe he should find a safer hobby... 21:35:10 <Ailure> hobby? 21:35:19 <Ailure> After seeing that picture, I don't think it's a hobby anymore 21:35:21 <Ailure> it's a fetish of his 21:35:26 <Ailure> D: 21:35:32 <Bjarni> good point 21:35:33 <Prof_Frink> DO WANT. 21:35:39 <Bjarni> find a safer fetish then :P 21:37:29 <Sacro> i want a tesla coil 21:38:07 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: See, I'm in two minds. 21:38:08 <Ailure> mountain climbing maybe? 21:38:11 <Ailure> Where I live 21:38:21 <Ailure> there's always some danish falling down the mountains 21:38:29 <Prof_Frink> Tesla coil... railgun... tesla coil... railgun... 21:38:35 <Ailure> at Kullaberg 21:38:43 <Ailure> which is north of HöganÀs 21:38:51 <Bjarni> http://tesladownunder.com/Teslahand.JPG <--- o_O 21:38:58 <Ailure> almost became a little joke within our family 21:39:02 <Bjarni> now I go for the fetish explanation 21:39:07 <Ailure> haha 21:39:19 <Ailure> that must sting 21:39:37 <Bjarni> "Wetting my hand beforehand reduces the sensation to a mild prickle" 21:39:46 <Prof_Frink> Ailure: Not as much as... 21:39:47 <Sacro> oh aye ;) 21:40:16 <Bjarni> <Sacro> i want a tesla coil <-- no there is no doubt that it's a fetish thing 21:40:17 <Bjarni> :P 21:40:48 * Prof_Frink wants to build a railgun and mount it on a hovercraft 21:41:33 <Bjarni> but it's already full of eels... 21:41:36 <Sacro> oooh 21:41:37 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:41:40 *** boekabar1 [~bdb@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:41:41 <Prof_Frink> Shoot stuff and run away at the same time! 21:41:49 <Sacro> a nailgun would be good against a hovercraft 21:41:50 <skidd13> Once we build a cheap railgun in physics lesson :). Shoot range was 1m. 21:41:57 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: That's the power supply 21:41:59 <Sacro> or maybe it'd just go PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT and accelerate away 21:42:31 <Bjarni> yeah a modern nailgun is likely better than a modern railgun against a hovercraft :D 21:43:33 <Bjarni> http://tesladownunder.com/TeslaColorMultiBilat00851000.jpg <-- nice camera setup... this is done with colour filters while exposing the picture. It's not modified at all after the picture is taken (or so he claims) 21:44:16 <Prof_Frink> He should build another personcage 21:44:29 <Prof_Frink> then he'd have a ZOMG MIND CONTROL DEVICE 21:44:42 <Bjarni> it's some sort of spinning wheel with glass of different colours in front of the lens... gives a nice result 21:45:10 <Bjarni> yeah... we should write an Email telling him to do a mind control picture 21:45:24 <Bjarni> but.... it's possible that he can't get anybody to join him in his fetish :P 21:45:28 <glx> <Ailure> the car is basically a faraway cage <-- Faraday 21:45:52 <Bjarni> far away cage.... not really the same as a Faraday cage :D 21:49:19 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Well, if he wants to sends me plane tickets 21:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> far far away? 21:49:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> like in shrek? 21:49:58 <bruce89> it is pretty far away 21:51:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> what's funny about that movie is that "Schreck" is actually a german word (meaning "scare") 21:52:12 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 21:54:00 *** G [~njones@202-154-146-188.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:40 *** FlowaPowa [~Flowa@4va54-4-82-244-103-144.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:12 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: and you don't think they knew that when they decided on that name for a scary character? 21:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: i think they explained once that they took the word from jiddish, which has a lot in common with german 21:57:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.207.64.178] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 21:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> so yes, i am pretty sure they knew what the word meant :p 21:59:17 <skidd13> :q 21:59:27 <skidd13> damn wrong window 21:59:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> you trying to touch your nose with your tongue? 21:59:57 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 22:00:10 <Bjarni> I think he wants to quit vim or something 22:00:22 <skidd13> yup: quit in vim 22:00:39 <skidd13> :%s /\://g 22:00:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> would have made a poor smilie anyway :p 22:01:09 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-237-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: cu] 22:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> (and of course i know how you quit vim) 22:01:59 <Prof_Frink> Ah, but do you know how to quit ed? 22:02:10 <Sacro> killall 22:02:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> what he said :p 22:02:21 <Ailure> [23:40] <Sacro> or maybe it'd just go PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT and accelerate away 22:02:38 <Ailure> my mind inserted a 0x before PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT 22:02:48 <Ailure> then I started to wonder when hexdecimal numbers had P and T 22:02:49 <bruce89> sudo rm -fr / 22:02:52 <Sacro> Ailure: that's not valid HEX :p 22:02:53 <bruce89> bloody silly 22:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> you want to read mail really fast? type rm -rf / 22:04:31 <Ailure> that so reminds me when I set up a box of some NIX 22:04:37 <Ailure> and I let friends of mine log into it 22:04:45 <Ailure> one of them tried rm -rf / 22:05:05 <bruce89> root? 22:05:06 <Ailure> didn't really do much damage though :) 22:05:10 <Ailure> hardly 22:05:12 <Bjarni> I don't think so 22:05:16 <Ailure> I don't give out root randomly 22:05:19 <Bjarni> that would have caused damage 22:05:28 <Ailure> he thought he would 22:05:36 <Bjarni> this is a reason why I don't give out ssh access to random people 22:05:50 <bruce89> it would just kill out their ~ surely 22:05:51 <Ailure> it wasn't a exactly bright NIX user 22:05:58 <Ailure> he thought it would delete all files 22:06:27 <Ailure> he actiually complained 22:06:29 <Ailure> about it not working 22:06:35 <Ailure> he didn't have many files in his own home folder 22:06:38 <Ailure> so yeah :P 22:07:09 <Prof_Frink> Hmm, you should write a script that, if someone tries rm -rf / it removes them from /etc/passwd and logs them out 22:07:48 <Ailure> well hardly foolproof 22:07:55 <Ailure> since there's more than one way 22:07:58 <Ailure> you can just go down to root 22:08:02 <Ailure> and type rm -rf * instead 22:08:32 <Prof_Frink> or dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda 22:09:05 <Ailure> haha 22:09:14 <bruce89> or sda of course 22:09:15 <Ailure> filling the harddrive with random bytes 22:09:25 <Ailure> I seen variations on that 22:09:28 <Prof_Frink> or, for nondestructive annoyance, chmod -R -x / 22:10:26 <Phazorx> if if not all tiles of foodplant 22:10:35 <Phazorx> that accept grain also accept livestock is that normal? 22:10:36 * Prof_Frink smiles. :(){ :|:& };: 22:11:59 <SpComb> grab a linuxzoo.net and try it out 22:12:25 <SpComb> /dev/kmem is kind of amusing in sick way 22:12:28 <bruce89> bugger, too late 22:12:44 *** BigBB_afk is now known as BigBB 22:13:44 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-234.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:14:36 <SpComb> a virtual linux box, root access and at least 20 minutes 22:14:39 <SpComb> you even have network access 22:14:53 *** UnderBuilder_ [~chatzilla@168.226.106.20] has joined #openttd 22:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: what's the point? you just grab the next knoppix cd, and restor all the x'es 22:16:02 <SpComb> all the right x'es 22:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, all the ones in a "bin" directoryy 22:16:43 <skidd13> and all dir x'es of cause 22:17:07 <SpComb> and all of the other random x'es in e.g. /etc/init.d/ or such 22:17:15 <SpComb> it would cause a bit of pain 22:17:41 <Sacro> Ailure: as we pointed out to a uni lecturer rm -fr / won't do much 22:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can easily walk all files beginning with #! 22:17:56 <Sacro> or will it remove all files and just leave dirs 22:18:06 * Sacro ponders over his putty window 22:18:20 <SmatZ> \rm -rf / 22:18:26 <Ailure> won't do much? :P 22:18:30 <SmatZ> would be nicer, if you have rm aliased 22:18:31 <Sacro> /exec rm -rf / 22:18:33 <Prof_Frink> Or fix enough for your package manager to run, then reinstall from there 22:18:44 <Sacro> pacman.static! 22:18:45 <Ailure> last time I tried it, I destroyed the system :) 22:18:47 <Ailure> well I ran it from root 22:18:51 <Ailure> and it was a vm too 22:18:55 <Ailure> so I didn't really care too much 22:18:56 * Sacro forkbombs 22:19:14 <Prof_Frink> How smiley. 22:19:22 * SpComb plays with linuxzoo.net 22:19:24 <SmatZ> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1024 22:19:24 * Sacro forkbums pro 22:19:27 * Sacro forkbums Prof_Frink 22:19:29 <SmatZ> will do the job, too 22:19:31 <Ailure> it's even more fun with Windows though 22:19:45 <Sacro> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/core 22:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> that'll be fun... replace ldd with rm -rf / 22:19:53 <SmatZ> :) 22:19:54 <Ailure> I keep forgetting the windows equilant of rm -rf though 22:19:56 <SmatZ> lol 22:19:57 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:59 <Ailure> but it's much slower in Windows 22:20:01 <Sacro> Ailure: deltree 22:20:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> good luck installing any package :p 22:20:07 <Prof_Frink> Ailure: del /F /S /Q * 22:20:07 <Ailure> not deltree 22:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> deltree /y 22:20:10 *** UnderBuilder_ is now known as UnderBuilder 22:20:11 <Ailure> deltree dosen't exist in Windows 22:20:11 <Ailure> ah yes 22:20:12 <Ailure> that 22:20:13 <Ailure> eh 22:20:15 <Ailure> Windows NT 22:20:15 <Ailure> that is 22:20:18 <Ailure> it exists in Win 9x 22:20:23 <Sacro> del doesn't exist in windows either 22:20:30 <Bjarni> I don't get it 22:20:32 <Sacro> nooo >< 22:20:35 <Bjarni> why not solve the real problem 22:20:37 <Sacro> deltree is dos 6.2x 22:20:47 <Ailure> Which Win 9x is based on yeah 22:20:51 <Bjarni> why delete files rather than go buy a bigger HD? 22:21:07 <Ailure> Win 9X is basically DOS hacked to run with GUI ;) 22:21:10 * Sacro fancies some simsig 22:21:23 <SmatZ> once I had 6 IDE ports used... 22:21:34 <Prof_Frink> and Win ME is basically Win 9x hacked not to run. 22:21:38 <SmatZ> there is no way to buy more HDDs forever 22:21:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i never had 6 ide ports (in the same computer) 22:21:44 <Tefad> someone using archlinux? 22:21:58 <Prof_Frink> sacro. 22:22:01 <Sacro> me 22:22:05 <Prof_Frink> him 22:22:38 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-53-71.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:23:40 <Ailure> I only seen one computer 22:23:40 <Ailure> ever 22:23:43 <Ailure> to run Windows ME 22:24:05 * Prof_Frink shows Ailure his parents PC 22:24:14 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498E67C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:34 <Ailure> hell I can name lots of other OS's 22:24:38 <Ailure> I seen more of than Windwos me 22:24:43 <Prof_Frink> Also, James' PC runs ME2.0 22:24:50 <Ailure> and also weird OS's 22:24:56 <Ailure> Win NT 4.0 on a ATM? 22:25:04 <Ailure> or what about OS WARP? 22:25:11 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D2E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:27 <Ailure> that's is probably one of the funniest experiences I had at a bank 22:25:31 <Ailure> I was going to withdraw money 22:25:34 <Ailure> I walked up to the ATM 22:25:38 <Ailure> ...which showed Win 4.0 GUI 22:25:42 <Ailure> NT 22:25:44 <Ailure> that is 22:25:54 <Tefad> heh. yay kiosks? 22:26:06 <Ailure> I probably would try if I could mess around lol 22:26:12 <Ailure> but it's hard with the keypad of an ATM 22:26:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F703.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> i had a scary meeting with an ATM also 22:26:23 <Tefad> where's ctrl alt or del ; ) 22:26:27 <Prof_Frink> Ailure: Undo the four screws to the right 22:26:28 <bruce89> I didn't think Windows needed hacking to not run 22:26:34 <Prof_Frink> Tefad: See ^ 22:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> i wanted to check my bank account, put my card in 22:26:47 <Tefad> heh 22:26:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> the terminal said something like "internal error" 22:26:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> and rebooted 22:26:56 <Tefad> nice one 22:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> showing a Win2k boot screen 22:27:09 <SmatZ> what happened to the card? 22:27:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> still having my card in it 22:27:16 <Ailure> I remember seeing Win NT 4.0 booting screen 22:27:17 <Tefad> doh 22:27:20 <Ailure> on the same ATM 22:27:22 <Ailure> at another time though 22:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it spit it out after a while 22:27:40 <Tefad> winnt is rather common for embedded crap 22:27:41 <Ailure> I'm really not sure 22:27:43 <Tefad> or OS/2 22:27:46 <Ailure> if I should trust the bank using Win NT 22:27:49 <Ailure> for embedded stuff 22:27:50 <Ailure> well 22:27:58 <Ailure> sometimes they apparently run really old computers on that stuff 22:28:04 <Ailure> but I wonder why they don't use specialized stuff 22:28:06 <Ailure> srsly 22:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think the terminal is really embedded 22:28:13 <Tefad> uh yeah.. P166 32MB for the win 22:28:13 <Ailure> I can program a ATM quickly on a microcontroller 22:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> i mean it has a keyboard to type in bank transfer data and stuff 22:28:23 <Ailure> it would be more power-saving and secure 22:28:27 <Tefad> Ailure: easy upgrade path? 22:28:31 <Ailure> than programmig a Win NT application 22:28:33 <Tefad> as if they'd use it 22:28:33 <Prof_Frink> Or, go up to the machine, withdraw £10 and stuff a knoppix disc into the cash dispenser 22:28:35 <SpComb> hmm... why would dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/ubd/0 kill my ssh connection? 22:28:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm pretty sure it runs a normal x68 PC inside it 22:28:40 <Tefad> easy development ; ) 22:29:01 <Ailure> ATM's usually use old computers 22:29:05 <Ailure> since they don't need anything more powerful 22:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> the sad thing, the terminal is missing the most important keys to use windows :p 22:29:12 <Ailure> sometimes refurbished even 22:29:17 <Ailure> cheap bastards 22:29:21 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: CTRL+ALT+DELETE, indeed 22:29:24 <Prof_Frink> Tefad: How do you know what hardware I'm running? 22:30:12 <Ailure> http://194.47.44.201/phpsysinfo/ 22:30:12 <Ailure> :) 22:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> it'd be so fun to see them catch anyone playing solitaire on a bank terminal :p 22:30:25 <Ailure> whenever someone asks about my hardware 22:30:30 <Ailure> I just point them there 22:30:32 <Ailure> haha yes 22:30:34 <Tefad> Prof_Frink: huh? 22:30:37 <Ailure> sadly that would get them so nto trouble 22:30:39 <Ailure> and argh 22:30:43 <Ailure> ignore my network devices 22:30:50 <Ailure> some bug always causes it to have screwy values 22:30:50 <SmatZ> Ailure: nice 22:30:53 <Prof_Frink> Tefad: "P166 32MB" 22:30:57 <Tefad> yes? 22:30:59 <Tefad> what about it 22:31:05 <Ailure> Device Received Sent Err/Drop 22:31:05 <Ailure> NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller - Packet Scheduler Miniport 1.67 GB -240136.01 KB 0/0 22:31:13 * SpComb tries again 22:31:18 <Ailure> I sent a negative amount of bytes 22:31:20 <Ailure> somehow 22:31:24 <Prof_Frink> That's what "this" computer is. 22:31:34 <SmatZ> you have DL > UL 22:31:41 <SmatZ> mm no 22:31:53 <Ailure> the stats are way off too 22:31:58 <Ailure> I have downloaded much more than easily 22:32:05 <Ailure> *thna that 22:32:08 <SmatZ> RX bytes:5242383144 (4999.5 Mb) 22:32:09 <Ailure> so it probably have rolled over a few times 22:32:15 <SmatZ> 5000th anniversary coming :) 22:32:57 <TrueBrain> Aug '07 194,970 MB | 1,558,276 MB | 1,753,246 MB 22:32:57 <TrueBrain> Sep '07 17,592,186,002,452 MB | 17,592,185,515,890 MB | 35,184,371,518,343 MB 22:32:57 <TrueBrain> Oct '07 128,948 MB | 1,279,165 MB | 1,408,113 MB 22:33:01 <TrueBrain> talking about bugs in stats collectors 22:33:11 <Ailure> haha 22:33:21 <SmatZ> nice traffic at September 22:33:36 <SmatZ> anyway... 1,5TB is a lot, too 22:33:38 <Tefad> holy son of a 22:33:43 <Ailure> did you download the whole internet 22:33:47 <SmatZ> :) 22:33:54 <Tefad> he downloaded an internet. 22:33:58 <TrueBrain> haha, okay, but the 1.5 is real :p 22:34:09 <Ailure> well 22:34:24 <Prof_Frink> What happened? Get /.ed? 22:34:27 <Tefad> i think i've got 1.25TB transfer since may on home connection 22:34:39 <Ailure> terabytes is getting more and more common 22:34:43 <SmatZ> :) 22:34:45 <Ailure> once upon a time, a gigabyte was actually alot 22:34:45 <TrueBrain> what happened? a 100 mbit, that happened :p Never give students 100 mbit connections 22:34:48 <TrueBrain> bad for bandwidth 22:34:54 <Tefad> heh 22:35:02 <Tefad> i remember my first computer upgrade 22:35:04 <Ailure> so what did you do 22:35:06 <Tefad> 1.6GB addon 22:35:15 <Ailure> download 10 movies at once or something 22:35:15 <Tefad> 8MB RAM was killing me too though 22:35:26 <Ailure> heh 22:35:30 <Ailure> my first computer upgrade 22:35:38 <Ailure> was a harddrive around that size 22:35:45 <TrueBrain> Ailure: you need more then 10 movies to get this volume of bandwidth :p 22:35:48 <Ailure> boy it felt like a huge improvment from my measly 300 MB drive 22:35:50 <Tefad> sadly i think my two first disks are near death 22:35:54 <bruce89> hope you've got a 64 bit OS there 22:35:55 <Tefad> 400MB first disk here 22:35:58 <TrueBrain> /dev/sdb1 298G 241G 58G 81% /data/extern 22:35:58 <TrueBrain> /dev/sdc1 466G 418G 48G 90% /data/extern2 22:35:58 <TrueBrain> /dev/sdd1 466G 124G 343G 27% /data/extern3 22:36:01 <TrueBrain> nuff said 22:36:01 <Tefad> pentium 60MHz woo 22:36:25 <SmatZ> /dev/hde1 196015808 115221152 80794656 59% /mnt/200gb 22:36:25 <SmatZ> /dev/hdg1 288451232 278109776 10341456 97% /mnt/300gb 22:36:25 <SmatZ> /dev/hdc1 480719088 248254596 232464492 52% /mnt/500gb 22:36:28 <SmatZ> ;-) 22:36:32 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: run -h 22:36:34 <TrueBrain> easier to read 22:36:44 <TrueBrain> anyway, night 22:36:45 <SmatZ> nice 22:37:00 <Tefad> i use -xtmpfs -h for good measure 22:37:14 <Tefad> silly udev shm nonsense 22:37:22 <SmatZ> :) 22:37:36 <Prof_Frink> /dev/hda2 28G 12G 15G 45% / 22:37:36 <Prof_Frink> /dev/hda1 89M 9.7M 74M 12% /boot 22:37:46 <Sacro> *coughs* sad 22:38:02 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-084-058-052-237.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:35 <skidd13> good night 22:38:39 <SmatZ> bye 22:38:40 <Ailure> heh 22:38:49 <Ailure> I already showed my discs earlier with my system utility 22:38:55 <Ailure> really need to get around migrating to Linux 22:38:58 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7C19.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:38:59 <Ailure> already did that on my laptop really 22:39:08 <SmatZ> Distro Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional 22:39:11 <SmatZ> errr :-D 22:39:15 <Ailure> I really have no excuse staying with Windows anymore 22:39:16 <Ailure> haha 22:39:37 <Ailure> I didn't notice that earlier 22:39:49 <Ailure> but it's a bit Linux-biased utility I guess 22:39:58 <SmatZ> looks so 22:40:00 <Ailure> like how it refers the discs as "mounted filesystems" 22:40:02 <Prof_Frink> Dammit, refused uplink to the umcr 22:40:21 <Ailure> which even is correct, mount is something Windows NT would avoid to use ; 22:40:22 <Ailure> ;) 22:42:34 <Tefad> Ailure: if you like ubuntu, you can easily give it a whir using "Wubi" installer 22:42:46 <Tefad> whirl? whir meh 22:42:52 <Ailure> I know about Wubi heh 22:43:00 <Ailure> seems intresting, but perfomance concerns me 22:43:01 <Sacro> Tefad: why the arch q? 22:43:07 <Ailure> still, I am slightly afraid of repartioning 22:43:12 <Tefad> Sacro: just to make you worry. 22:43:16 <Sacro> Tefad: i don't worry 22:43:17 <Ailure> even if I succefully did that on my laptop 22:43:18 <Sacro> i be happy 22:43:20 * Prof_Frink bed 22:43:27 <Tefad> Ailure: wubi doesn't suffer much from performance 22:43:31 <Sacro> not too many pax trains at 00:30 :( 22:43:34 <Tefad> it's like maybe 5% overhead if that 22:43:37 <Ailure> heh 22:43:45 <Prof_Frink> o it properly! 22:43:47 <Ailure> kinda funny how it works though 22:43:50 <Tefad> yup 22:43:56 <Ailure> it creates a virtual disk image within Windows 22:44:01 <Tefad> you can even access your windows files easily from within ubuntu 22:44:01 <Ailure> then boots from that 22:44:05 <Tefad> using ntfs-3g 22:44:14 <Ailure> heh 22:44:21 <Ailure> the inbuilt NTFS driver in Ubuntu 22:44:25 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-084-058-062-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:33 <Ailure> is read-only by default, but there's other you can get 22:44:34 <Tefad> ntfs-3g is quite stable, i think it's even possible to use it as rootfs in linux 22:44:36 <bruce89> which gusty has by default 22:44:43 <bruce89> Tefad: no 22:44:43 <Ailure> like ntfs-3g 22:44:45 <SmatZ> http://127.0.0.1/phpsysinfo/ 22:44:55 <Tefad> bruce89: i think so. initrd. 22:45:03 <bruce89> symbolic links wouldn't work in NTFS anyway 22:45:12 <bruce89> it'd be a bit daft 22:45:26 <Tefad> i use them all the time at work 22:45:27 <Sacro> bruce89: ntfs *has* symbolic links 22:45:29 <Tefad> with SFU 22:45:31 <Ailure> I thought it have symlinks 22:45:33 <Ailure> eh 22:45:35 <Ailure> yeah 22:45:42 <bruce89> it does now 22:45:43 <Ailure> it's not widely known 22:45:43 <Sacro> since... XP i belive 22:45:44 <Ailure> however 22:45:45 <SmatZ> I wonder how I can redirect ONE HTML file to another computer in the network.. 22:45:49 <Sacro> bruce89: has for ages 22:45:53 <Ailure> reason they implemented symlinks 22:45:57 <bruce89> I was sure it was a Vista thing 22:46:02 <Sacro> nope 22:46:04 <Ailure> was mostly for POSIX complience 22:46:07 <bruce89> anyway, permissions wouldn't work 22:46:07 <Tefad> aka Interix, aka Services for UNIX, or Subsystem for Unix Applications 22:46:23 <Sacro> oh, no 22:46:25 <Ailure> since it's rather hidden away from most WIndows users 22:46:32 <bruce89> the installer wouldn't let you install on a NTFS partition 22:46:33 <Sacro> they had "junction points" since ntfs 3 22:46:33 <Ailure> the commandline in Windwos isn't exactly nice 22:46:53 <glx> <SmatZ> http://127.0.0.1/phpsysinfo/ <-- nice link ;) 22:46:53 <Ailure> so I didn't know about it for the longest time either 22:46:58 <Prof_Frink> Cygwin! 22:46:59 <Ailure> ah yes 22:47:04 <Ailure> 127.0.0.1 22:47:07 <Ailure> that bastard 22:47:07 <Tefad> cygwin is crap compared to SFU : \ 22:47:13 <Ailure> I DDoS him at times 22:47:17 <Ailure> but he always manage to counter-attack 22:47:19 <Tefad> meh, i guess Interix is the generic term 22:47:36 <Tefad> (OpenNT Interix SFU SUA .. erghaspdoflkajsd) 22:48:16 <Tefad> bruce89: permissions work fine.. NTFS has ACLs 22:48:21 <Tefad> eh? 22:48:40 <bruce89> try installing a Linux on NTFS then 22:48:52 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:56 <bruce89> there would be no advantage, if it were possible 22:49:17 <Tefad> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#rootfs 22:49:30 <Sacro> oh god 22:49:36 <Sacro> this train is actually an engineering trains 22:49:41 <Tefad> actually NTFS performs better than ext3 : \ 22:49:42 <Sacro> that hogs the line for 4 hours D: 22:49:49 <bruce89> hmm 22:49:50 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:49:51 <Tefad> and is competitive with other linux FSs 22:50:01 <bruce89> ext4 22:50:06 <SmatZ> glx http://88.146.45.107/amd64.html this is a better link :) sadly, it is "offline" 22:50:11 <Ailure> NTFS isn't exactly a bad filesystem 22:50:15 <Ailure> it just have a bad OS inbetween ;) 22:50:30 <bruce89> WUBI looks like a nasty hack to me 22:50:37 <Sacro> wubi? 22:50:41 <Tefad> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/performance.html 22:50:45 <Ailure> I think WUBI is a neat hack 22:50:57 <Tefad> Wubi is an unofficial ubuntu installer 22:50:57 <Ailure> File I/O in Windows is a bit slow 22:51:01 <Ailure> but it seems to be becuse of Windows itself 22:51:03 <Ailure> than NTFS 22:51:16 <Ailure> batch tasks 22:51:17 <Ailure> takes lots longer time in Windows 22:51:22 <Ailure> than Linux 22:51:43 * bruce89 formats drive to NTFS 22:51:49 * Tefad laughs 22:51:58 <Tefad> there are some corner cases to watch out for 22:52:12 <Tefad> most of the time they rear their head when the FS is near capacity 22:52:25 <Tefad> heads, meh 22:52:34 <Ailure> rear head? 22:52:34 <Ailure> what 22:52:41 <Tefad> rear heads. 22:52:47 <Tefad> uh meaning pop up 22:52:49 <Ailure> heads as in? 22:52:55 <Tefad> it's an expression 22:52:57 <Ailure> HD heads? 22:52:58 <Ailure> oh 22:53:01 <Ailure> ...hahaha 22:53:07 <Ailure> never heard of that one D: 22:53:14 <Tefad> to rear a head 22:53:17 <Tefad> to pop up 22:53:18 * Tefad shrugs 22:53:25 <bruce89> rears ugly head 22:53:26 <glx> it's faster for me to compile openttd in vmware running mandriva64 on XP than using mingw :) 22:53:38 <bruce89> of course 22:53:40 <Tefad> glx: that's a threadding problem i think 22:53:43 <Tefad> use SFU instead ; ) 22:53:49 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:50 <Tefad> damnit, interix. 22:53:54 <Ailure> still 22:54:00 <Ailure> NTFS-3G will be useful 22:54:08 <Ailure> hell I gotta get around using it on my laptop 22:54:15 <glx> Tefad: I'd say it's a windows problem :) 22:54:18 <Ailure> kinda sucks with my NTFS parittions being read-only 22:54:33 <Tefad> glx: well you're not using the accepted UNIX environment for the platform. 22:54:39 <Tefad> you're going to run into problems : ) 22:54:57 <Tefad> not saying that interix is the end all be all, but it performs rather well 22:57:16 <Tefad> i think you can compile mingw under interix, then use it to create binaries from there 22:57:47 * bruce89 thinks there are too many *ixs 22:57:57 <Tefad> i think there isn't a proper OS yet. 22:58:01 <Tefad> and there probably will never be 22:58:11 <Tefad> the POSIX standard is nice to have though 22:58:23 <glx> well I don't make win32 builds in the VM :) 22:58:25 <Ailure> Most operating systems are based on POSIX 22:58:31 <Ailure> Even Win NT 22:58:34 <Tefad> eh 22:58:38 <glx> wrong 22:58:42 <Ailure> although it's probably the one being the most diffrent from it 22:58:42 <Tefad> most operating systems were designed with posix in mind, maybe 22:58:51 <glx> NT miss a lot of POSIX stuff 22:58:58 <Tefad> glx: interix fixes that 22:58:58 <Ailure> Windows NT only did enough to cover the most obligatory stuf 22:59:32 <Bjarni> goodnight 22:59:33 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:40 <Tefad> bare minimum to statisfy government contracts requiring posix compliant OS... 23:00:09 <Ailure> mm 23:00:15 <Ailure> stupid how goverments can be fooled so easily 23:00:17 <Ailure> any UNIX user 23:00:30 <Ailure> can see right away that Win NT is hardly anything like POSIX for the most part 23:00:30 <Tefad> POSIX != UNIX 23:00:36 <Ailure> I know 23:00:38 <Ailure> but heh 23:00:41 <Tefad> heh 23:00:44 <Ailure> It derives so much that it's almost useless 23:09:20 *** Sacro` [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:10:20 <Sacro`> grr 23:15:17 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:32 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 23:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... i believe i found a time warp or something 23:38:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> the steel mill is converting steel from ore that has not been fully unloaded yet 23:41:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:42:22 <SmatZ> the iron ore was duped_ 23:42:23 <SmatZ> ? 23:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it's just counted when the train arrives, not when it actually unloads 23:45:46 <SmatZ> sometimes trains don't unload whole cargo, because it stops being accepted 23:45:53 <SmatZ> but earns the money 23:45:55 <SmatZ> i think 23:52:23 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:23 *** Amix^ [~AmiXoamip@cm-84.208.143.45.chello.no] has joined #openttd