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00:00:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E920.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 00:00:55 <Belugas> fjb : i do not know. better ask the man i=himself :) 00:01:15 <Gonozal_VIII> that could in theory bring up some new problems but we shouldn't think that far ahead... no more sinking ships are cool 00:03:11 <fjb> :-) 00:03:43 <fjb> But there would be many man starting a new religion... 00:11:06 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-138-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:19 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:48 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:41:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11536 /trunk/src/table/tree_land.h: -Codechange: Align some elements of the _tree_layout_sprite table a little better looking for the eye 00:46:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:48:05 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 00:54:16 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> unununium.oftc.net quits: dfox_, @Belugas 00:54:30 *** Netsplit over, joins: Belugas, dfox_ 00:54:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 01:05:16 *** Nitehawk [~nitehawk@c-98-200-106-108.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:19 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:11:21 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:19:34 *** Priski- [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 01:19:58 *** Priski [priski@xob.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:59 *** Priski- is now known as Priski 01:22:22 *** titus_ [~titus@intter.net] has joined #openttd 01:22:22 *** titus [~titus@intter.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:16 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:23 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 01:27:51 <ln-> nÃ¥n som talar svenska som modersmÃ¥l, hÀnder upp! 01:27:55 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:28:05 <Belugas> ln-, warning 01:28:27 <ln-> Belugas, error 01:30:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:33 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77874.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:11 <Belugas> warning removed 01:35:30 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77573.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:58 <ln-> ingenting mera, hÀnder ner. 01:40:20 <Gonozal_VIII> :S 01:40:49 <glx> ln-: warning :) 01:44:49 <ln-> just in case someone didn't understand, the second line was about cancelling my earlier request. 01:45:28 <ln-> it's swedish, half the planet understands it. 01:45:34 <Gonozal_VIII> what request? 01:45:49 <Belugas> too bad, there is another half who does not understand it ;) 01:48:10 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: the one you see above. 01:48:52 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:48:55 <Gonozal_VIII> that's an error message :P 01:49:12 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 01:49:23 <ln-> wtf kind of an error message would that be 01:49:36 <Gonozal_VIII> [02:28:27] ln-: Belugas, error 01:49:42 <Gonozal_VIII> a belugas error 01:50:11 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: if you'd try 3 lines up from that. 01:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> the question is half of which planet :p 01:51:16 <Gonozal_VIII> that's some random chars :-) 01:51:43 <Gonozal_VIII> planet scandinavia 01:53:18 <Belugas> tired... 01:53:21 <Belugas> time to sleep 01:53:24 <Belugas> good night 01:53:29 <Gonozal_VIII> good night 01:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> now the question is if he has weird sleep patterns, or we do :p 01:58:56 * ln- slept 1930..0930 last night 01:59:23 <ln-> (sic, there is no am/pm trick there) 01:59:29 <Gonozal_VIII> 16:00 - 20:30 this night :-) 02:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> 18:30-0:30 02:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> but is that an answer to the question? 02:00:44 <ln-> we should know his time zone first. 02:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> GMT-5 i assume 02:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> which means it would be 21:00 02:02:58 <ln-> if one gets up at 06:00, then 21:00 is a very good time to go to sleep. 02:03:09 <ln-> otherwise it sounds early 02:03:29 <Gonozal_VIII> 21-6 is 9h 02:03:37 <Gonozal_VIII> that's long... 02:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> [Di Nov 27 2007] [14:49:33] <Belugas> good goody day all 02:04:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> -6h means 8:49 02:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> while you should not assume that greeting on IRC is the first thing he does in the morning 02:05:36 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 02:05:37 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: 9..10h is the normal sleeping time for e.g. me. 02:05:38 <Gonozal_VIII> why not? 02:06:02 <Gonozal_VIII> after sleeping 9-10h i'm more tired then before 02:06:10 <ln-> than 02:06:24 <Gonozal_VIII> you know what i mean :P 02:07:25 <ln-> but it's crazy, would you say "... bin ich mÃŒder dann frÃŒher" in german? 02:08:08 <Gonozal_VIII> i know that it was wrong, i often mix up a and e while typing 02:08:44 <ln-> in that particular word, or others too? 02:09:07 <Gonozal_VIII> in words that start the same in general 02:09:39 <ln-> i'm just interested how can a german-speaker make that mistake, as dann and als sound and mean completely the different. 02:09:40 <Gonozal_VIII> i sometimes start a word but finish another... 02:09:52 <ln-> you're not the first, there was also dominik81. 02:11:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i have that in german too 02:11:54 <Gonozal_VIII> i think of a word but i type a different one without noticing 02:12:02 <ln-> but not with the pair dann/als, i'd guess. 02:13:44 <Gonozal_VIII> your often comes out as you're, don't know why 02:14:10 <Gonozal_VIII> things like that... with same beginning 02:14:31 <ln-> impressive, learning how to write like a stupid american without being one. :) 02:14:53 * AntB is english so isn't offended by that 02:16:03 <ln-> besides, only _stupid_ americans were being insulted, not even all americans. 02:16:34 <AntB> i lost count of the amount of times people (americans and canadians) have tried correcting me because of words like colour... 02:17:00 <SERVEPRO> its color 02:17:07 <ln-> "its" ... 02:17:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 02:17:36 * AntB slaps SERVEPRO 02:17:58 <ln-> fortnight! 02:18:13 <SERVEPRO> there correcting you because over they're its different 02:18:26 <AntB> i know :D 02:18:42 <AntB> i even had one tell to me learn proper english (o_O) 02:21:41 <ln-> AntB: do you minimize or minimise windows? 02:21:51 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB4CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:03 <Gonozal_VIII> minimice :D 02:23:13 <Gonozal_VIII> Millifortnights (about 20 minutes) and nanofortnights (1.2096 milliseconds) have also been used occasionally in computer science 02:23:18 <AntB> i minimise 02:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> <ln-> but it's crazy, would you say "... bin ich mÃŒder dann frÃŒher" in german? <- not exactly the same situation, but there is often a mixup between "als" and "wie" in german 02:25:23 <SERVEPRO> arse, aeroplane, pyjamas, storey, tyre 02:25:45 <Sacro> SERVEPRO: they're, there >< 02:26:01 <Sacro> oh and, "it's colour" 02:26:21 <SERVEPRO> you dont know a joke when you see one do you 02:26:27 <AntB> lol 02:26:32 <Sacro> "its colour" would get the reply "whats colour?" 02:26:35 <glx> it's Sacro ;) 02:26:44 <Sacro> glx: yes, I am a grammer nazi 02:27:03 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: interesting.. i always knew that's a tough one for non-natives 02:28:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> interesting, here is a black ladybug with red dots... 02:28:39 <Gonozal_VIII> its colour is strange 02:28:48 <Gonozal_VIII> see, i used it :D 02:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Sacro> "its colour" would get the reply "whats colour?" <- like "the doctor" gets the reply "doctor who?" :p 02:29:48 <Sacro> err... 02:31:33 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:32:07 <ln-> do we agree that the third form of the verb "to help" is "geholpen"? 02:32:32 <Gonozal_VIII> f, not p 02:33:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> "helfen, half, geholfen" (strong verb) 02:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> kauf dich mal ne tÃŒte deutsch, mich hats auch gehelft 02:33:53 <Gonozal_VIII> helfen, helfte, gehelft for some :-) 02:34:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> (note: this was intentional unproper german) 02:36:15 <ln-> 3. weak pa. tense and pple. 3- helped, (4-5 -id, -yd, -et, -it, -yt), 6-9 helpt. 6-7 holpt. 02:37:08 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf 02:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> i didn't understand a word either... 02:38:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> btw. "pple" sounds very ambiguous, because there exist "present participle" and "past participle" 02:39:18 <ln-> i guess it means just participle and the pa. before and is related to that 02:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> (while here it clearly means "past participle") 02:39:52 <Gonozal_VIII> people :-) 02:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> but what does 3-, 4-5, 6-9 and 6-7 mean? 02:41:41 <ln-> could be persons 02:42:27 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: SERVEPRO] 02:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's your dictionary, it should have an introduction explainging this ;) 02:42:30 <ln-> i admit my approach to this matter is not very scientific. 02:44:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> anyway, i have not heard of a classification of "strong" and "weak" in english... only "normal" (probably from german weak) and "irregular" (long list, probably remnants of german strong) 02:47:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> interestingly, some german weak verbs got into the english irregular list 02:47:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> e.g. "sagen - sagte - gesagt" -> "say - said - said" 02:48:01 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> note when i say "from german" i mean the common roots 02:49:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> modern german grammar is said to have evolved around 1350 02:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> 14th century 02:49:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> which is way after the anglo saxons settled over to britain 02:50:10 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 03:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> *poch* *poch* is this thing still on? 03:16:05 <Gonozal_VIII> brzzzzzt 03:26:06 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.87.236] has quit [Quit: uh....] 03:27:42 <Gonozal_VIII> good night 03:36:01 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:09 *** Gella [~j@91.144.137.138] has joined #openttd 03:40:14 <Gella> hi 03:40:19 <Gella> i have a quesion 03:40:29 <Gella> would anyone help me plz 03:44:20 *** Gella [~j@91.144.137.138] has quit [] 04:01:58 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:08 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-138-195.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 05:17:09 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 05:22:32 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:24:32 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:30:06 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-138-195.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:45 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:30 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 06:10:08 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 06:10:09 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 06:30:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 07:15:16 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-223-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:57 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-223-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:27 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77874.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:31:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:02:39 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 08:13:32 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 08:15:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:30:29 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it] 08:46:12 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:46:26 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BB61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:33 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489E46C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:51:49 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:13:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:10 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:16:25 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 09:20:37 *** NarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:49 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:38:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81231.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:40:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:58:01 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 09:58:24 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B763BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:51 *** NarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 10:15:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A16.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:48:05 *** lordneon [~lordneon@87.127.68.15] has joined #openttd 10:48:10 <lordneon> hey 10:50:42 <Rubidium> :O people disrupting the sweet silence in here ;) 10:51:37 <lordneon> lol you need an idlerpg bot in here if thats the case 10:52:03 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:52:25 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: btw, my network connection went down last night, and i went to sleep... 10:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> how dare you :p 10:53:40 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause3: but indeed the verb forms i was talking about were not modern-day english, but something older. maybe middle english. 10:54:41 <lordneon> i was wondering if anyone knew how i can grab openttd server stats such as amount of clients connected etc etc 10:55:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> lordneon: maybe you want to search for ottdlib? 10:55:29 <Rubidium> using the exact same interface as OTTD clients get it 10:56:08 <lordneon> hmmm ok thanks 10:56:09 <SmatZ> hello all 10:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: i read up a little on this, the terms "strong" and "weak" verbs were initially used by german studiers of language history, especially Jakob Grimm (from the fairy tales) 10:56:31 <lordneon> im writing a control panel atm, still very basic but im on the server stats page 10:59:02 <ln-> interesting 10:59:42 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:12 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 11:03:25 *** Cristy21Sv [Cristyanns@pc1769.fiberlink.suceava.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 11:04:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> also, they were used to describe different schemes of vowel-shifting that took place in the germanic language(s) around 500 BC 11:09:12 *** xerxes [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:43 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:00 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:13 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 11:12:04 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:15:24 *** Cristy21Sv [Cristyanns@pc1769.fiberlink.suceava.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 11:16:10 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:10 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 11:16:25 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:41 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:50 *** wolfryu is now known as Wolfensteijn 11:35:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FF46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:29 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:55:39 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:00 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 11:57:41 *** dryfuso_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:12 <G> Beta1 gets my tick, it's kept me up till 1 am ;) 12:03:55 *** SERVEPRO_ [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:18 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043119.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:06:42 <Osai> hi all 12:06:55 <SmatZ> hello 12:10:35 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> G: then you missed our discussion about sleep patterns at 3AM 12:45:48 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 12:45:55 <SpComb> mm, sleep patterns 12:46:12 <SpComb> I consider going to sleep at 1 am early 12:46:47 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:57:13 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:00 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:09:43 *** dihedral [~root@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 13:10:26 <dihedral> hi 13:10:27 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 13:17:43 *** eQualize1 [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:36 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 13:19:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:21:28 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:32 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:09 *** Osai is now known as Guest573 13:38:09 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB5CC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:10 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 13:44:43 *** Guest573 [~Osai@pD9EB4CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:26 <Belugas> hello and good morning for those who are stillin the morning part of the day. Good day for hte rest of ya 13:51:35 <Gonozal_VIII> hi belugas 13:56:37 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:27 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:00:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:08:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:08:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:08:42 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:10:25 *** Ashmodias [~ashmodias@p508D6AA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:00 <Ashmodias> hi 14:11:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has quit [] 14:11:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:11:49 <Ashmodias> jemand da der Deutsch spricht? 14:12:13 <HerzogDeXtEr> jo 14:12:49 <Ashmodias> kannst du mir sagen wo ich eine Anleitung zu Openttd finde wie man das richtig spielt? :) 14:13:03 <HerzogDeXtEr> noch nie openttd gespielt? 14:13:23 <Ashmodias> ein Freund mag das, hab mir das jetzt gezogen und wollte das mal aus Spaà mit ihm spielen, nur schon im Vorraus mal gucken wie das geht 14:14:04 <HerzogDeXtEr> achso naja ich wÃŒrde die empfehlen auszuprobieren. und die seite ist allerding auf englisch http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/OpenTTD 14:14:19 <HerzogDeXtEr> da findest du so einiges 14:14:33 <Ashmodias> dank dir :) 14:14:39 <HerzogDeXtEr> schluÃendlich nur von industrie zur nÀchsten industrie transportieren 14:14:46 <Ashmodias> h3h3 14:14:51 <Ashmodias> Englisch ist kein Problem fÃŒr mich 14:14:56 <HerzogDeXtEr> gut ^^ 14:15:02 <Ashmodias> Kapitalismus ftw !! ^^ 14:15:21 <HerzogDeXtEr> ja also am meisten spaà machen komplizierte streckennetze 14:15:28 <HerzogDeXtEr> kann dir mal ein bsp zeigen wenn du willst ^^ 14:15:52 <Ashmodias> wo fÀnd' ich so eins? 14:16:06 <HerzogDeXtEr> naja ich kann en server auf machen 14:16:30 <Ashmodias> lass mich raten dann muss ich erstmal Hamachi installieren? 14:16:35 <HerzogDeXtEr> nö :) 14:16:41 <HerzogDeXtEr> welche version hast du? 14:16:54 <HerzogDeXtEr> 0.5.3 oder 0.6.0-beta1? 14:17:01 <Ashmodias> hab die 0.6.0-beta1 14:17:37 <Belugas> next one who write anything than english is kicked 14:17:39 <Belugas> understood? 14:17:52 <Ashmodias> -.- k 14:18:02 <HerzogDeXtEr> yo np Belugas 14:18:15 <HerzogDeXtEr> didnt know that rule ^^ 14:18:25 <Ashmodias> me neither 14:18:56 <Belugas> well... it is the same rule as the one used in the forums :) 14:19:30 <HerzogDeXtEr> ^^ oki now i know it 14:23:20 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> this would be a perfect time for a random star trek quote in a random language :p 14:25:41 <HerzogDeXtEr> xD 14:26:03 * Eddi|zuHause3 is looking over to ln- 14:30:59 <ln-> sorry, still at work, let's see after 1 hour :) 14:32:00 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:53:09 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:53:37 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-118-40.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 15:00:23 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 15:00:27 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:07 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 15:17:04 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 15:17:36 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:18:55 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:03 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:46 *** freepenguin [~andrew@host42-125-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:30:48 *** Ashmodias [~ashmodias@p508D6AA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:37:28 *** freepenguin [~andrew@host42-125-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:52 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:43:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11537 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Codechange: make it much harder to 'accidentally' add savegame conversion code after the window and cache initializations. 15:46:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has quit [] 15:47:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:49:29 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.55] has joined #openttd 15:49:44 <De_Ghosty> yo 15:49:56 <De_Ghosty> what is the train carriage called? 15:51:11 <blathijs> Wagon? 15:51:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> damn, why are IDE drives not hot-pluggable... 15:51:51 <valhallasw> actually they are, but most OS'es don't support it 15:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> uptime 4:48pm an 11 Tage 3:21, 4 Benutzer, Durchschnittslast: 3,33, 2,79, 2,99 15:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> now i have to shut down 15:52:13 <valhallasw> and of course the drive electronics have to accept it ;) 15:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think i should not push it :p 15:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> back in 10, if i can find a screwdriver... 15:54:07 <valhallasw> woot futurama 15:56:44 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-186-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:27 <De_Ghosty> yea thx 16:06:39 <De_Ghosty> ol hotswap ide? 16:06:43 <De_Ghosty> i tried that once 16:06:58 <De_Ghosty> there was like a big spark and the system rebooted anyways 16:07:02 <De_Ghosty> shorted the powersupply 16:09:43 <Rubidium> that's what can be called hot swap ;) 16:09:53 <Rubidium> such a spark cannot been cold 16:15:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> someone pray for me... 16:15:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B763BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:15:59 <Rubidium> ... not coming back? 16:18:14 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A68C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:16 <skidd13> hi 16:21:48 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0322.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:22:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7599D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:38 <De_Ghosty> hey is there something for c to call to free all allocated resourcE? 16:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause> at least it boots again, that's worth a lot ;) 16:23:32 <glx> De_Ghost: yes, but you need to free all stuff you allocated "by hand" 16:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> testing has to wait, must go... 16:25:33 <De_Ghosty> that sucks 16:26:36 <Rubidium> De_Ghosty: there is one way to free all allocated resources (by the application) in C. It is `exit(0)` 16:27:17 <De_Ghosty> really? 16:28:27 <Rubidium> yes, but I wonder whether it is what you want 16:28:30 <glx> well that's hoping the OS does what it should 16:28:33 <De_Ghosty> yea 16:28:43 <De_Ghosty> xp? 16:28:50 <De_Ghosty> linux? 16:28:58 <Rubidium> glx: if it does not, then the OS is broken by design. 16:29:09 <De_Ghosty> yea that's the thing i was looking for Rubidium 16:29:12 <De_Ghosty> thanks alot 16:29:28 <De_Ghosty> exit terminate the program right? 16:29:33 <glx> yes 16:29:41 <De_Ghosty> k 16:29:42 <De_Ghosty> thx 16:34:30 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:08 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:38:27 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:58 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-063-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:00 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:17 *** skidd13 is now known as Guest588 16:50:23 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:54:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:57 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:03 *** Guest588 [~skidd13@p548A68C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:13 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:09 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:58:29 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:58:54 <oh> anyone know who's running the non-dihedral fairplay servers? 16:59:01 *** NarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:32 <Rubidium> yes, but whether that person is in here is unknown to me 17:01:45 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:05:07 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 17:06:18 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-063-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:58 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 17:15:13 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-037-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:15:31 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.55] has joined #openttd 17:17:12 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:19:47 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:25:24 *** svippy [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:25:24 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:41 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7599D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7599D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:55 <dihedral> hello 17:41:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.5.15.251] has joined #openttd 17:41:47 <Wolf01> hello 17:45:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:53:02 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-18-86.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:55:39 <De_Ghosty> http://www.mtvjapan.com/flvplayer/mcmsplayer.swf?plid=86&displayheight=312&displaywidth=416&startindex=1&autostart=fals 17:55:43 <De_Ghosty> lol 17:59:38 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:01:46 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 18:05:10 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:37 <dihedral> wtf De_Ghosty ... 18:15:12 <De_Ghosty> lol 18:15:15 <De_Ghosty> wtf wtf? 18:23:43 <dihedral> odd clip you postes :-P 18:27:42 *** Abstract [~1033CB96D@85.198.41.251] has joined #openttd 18:28:40 *** Abstract [~1033CB96D@85.198.41.251] has left #openttd [] 18:29:15 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 18:30:22 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 18:53:27 <De_Ghosty> it's funny 18:53:28 <De_Ghosty> lol 18:53:32 <De_Ghosty> i though it was relaly funny 18:55:13 <dihedral> just was a wtf to the vid not you :-) 18:55:35 <De_Ghosty> and the music was a nice touch too 19:00:49 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03:15 <dihedral> De_Ghosty: http://break.com/index/talking-cats.html 19:03:24 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5E03.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 19:11:47 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:08 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/ <-- I has myself a scrollable giant screenshot! 19:12:19 *** NarkSlap [~me@c-b6c5e255.03-105-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:22:54 <dihedral> SpComb: now "just" parse sav files :-D 19:24:11 <SpComb> no, I'll add a screenshot method to api.cpp that somehow draws a specified tile 19:24:39 * SpComb has gone beyond working with OpenTTD has and has started modifying the source code itself 19:24:50 <SmatZ> wow SpComb :) 19:24:51 <SpComb> but indeed, that's what I was planning on doing next 19:25:20 <SpComb> (the current thing at that url there is just a .png giant screenshot) 19:26:51 <SmatZ> nice, but too small view :( 19:26:58 <SmatZ> it would be nice to zoom it :) 19:27:35 <SpComb> indeed, it needs a zoom and a minimap of some sort 19:33:27 <hylje> and then an interface... 19:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause> ottd the browser game 19:38:05 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: Make an openttd googlemaps-alike 19:38:36 <Prof_Frink> < SpComb> Prof_Frink: Do it yourself you lazy bugger 19:38:50 <|Jeroen|> would be cool to play on a real map 19:38:59 <SpComb> Prof_Frink: does that define itself as a ~real-time (updating) scrollable screenshot? 19:39:04 <|Jeroen|> and then use the flight sim to inspect your routes 19:39:23 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: I hadn't thought about realtime updating 19:39:31 <hylje> |Jeroen|: thats when one has a fat client.. 19:39:32 <SpComb> what else? Half-trains on different tiles? 19:40:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FF46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:03 <SpComb> you need something weird to ensure that all the tiles that are visible are from the same game tick 19:40:19 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: I said googlemaps-alike 19:40:38 <Prof_Frink> So haing the same city in three different seasons would do 19:41:04 <hylje> itd update one screenshot segment at a time 19:41:09 <SpComb> heh 19:41:10 <hylje> it doesnt need to be consistent 19:41:31 <SpComb> but indeed, I need to figure out how to hack OpenTTD's viewport code to draw something png-ish to a buffer 19:43:11 <SpComb> I guess OpenTTD will be the one to handle rendering the zoom, so I won't implement that first 19:43:43 <Prof_Frink> SpComb: You could fudge zoom by scaling the images after creation 19:44:19 <SpComb> well, that's what I need to do if I source the image from the filesystem, for for the scrollable OpenTTD thing OpenTTD can handle the zoom itself 19:46:14 <Wolf01> sorry but i must do it: watch?v=i5pGlw4o3Ks :D (add it after youtube.com/) 19:47:02 * Prof_Frink hands Wolf01 an url-shrinking service like linkpot.net 19:47:51 <Wolf01> no, it is always a youtube link, in this way is totally not a link :D 19:48:10 <hylje> its an implied link 19:48:11 <hylje> off you go 19:51:10 <Belugas> man... 19:51:15 <Belugas> i'm getting old... 19:51:41 <Belugas> i had the "Kick Why" button ready to go, but... 19:51:47 <Belugas> i didn't press it : 19:52:02 <Belugas> lucky Wolf01 ;) 19:54:21 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:35 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:55 <SpComb> hmm, the screenshot code actually looks somewhat straightforward 19:58:06 <SpComb> I just jiggle a viewport around and make screenshots of it 20:00:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 20:00:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 20:00:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 20:01:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FF46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:03:05 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 20:05:16 <Wolf01> next time i'll crypt it with rot13 20:05:40 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A503D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:42 <Wolf01> s/crypt/encrypt 20:06:08 <Wolf01> but is a spectacular video:D 20:06:18 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-12-110.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 20:10:39 <Szandor> Quick coding question: how do I get from Tile + DiagDir to the next tile in that direction? 20:11:48 <ln-> http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Quirks/2007/11/28/new_slogan_welcome_to_scotland/7038/ 20:12:46 <SpComb> anyone here who's familiar with OpenTTD's viewport/screenshot code? The ScaleByZoom/left/virtual_left/x/coord stuff is slightly confusing 20:17:22 <glx> Szandor: search for TileAdd* 20:17:33 <BigBB> Szandor, TileAddByDiagDir(tile, diafdir) 20:17:42 <Szandor> Magic, thanks 20:23:22 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:42 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:05 *** Jon2 [~jadh@80-192-73-198.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:24:06 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:24:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:25:04 <Jon2> is the last leg of a transfer chain supposed to run a massive loss? 20:25:09 *** Jon2 is now known as Jonty 20:25:28 <Jonty> (I'm using 0.6.0-b1) 20:25:42 <Gonozal_VIII> it does that only if you transport in the wrong direction or the goods are waiting too long 20:26:28 <Jonty> hmm 20:26:42 <Jonty> what do you mean by transport in the wrong direction? 20:26:43 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:26:58 <Gonozal_VIII> towards the industry/city it came from 20:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> usually it means the cargo piles up and waits too long at the intermediate station 20:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> especially if the initial estimation for the first step was too optimistic 20:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. you transport the first half by fast plane, and the second half by slow truck 20:29:18 <Jonty> ah 20:29:24 <Jonty> so I need to speed it up? 20:29:26 <Jonty> I see 20:29:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it really depends on your setup 20:31:15 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:15 <Gonozal_VIII> total payment is calculated from distance and time, if the virtual payment (yellow) was higher then the total payment the last leg has negative profit.. but you still get the yellow sum (at the end) 20:31:19 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 20:31:51 <Jonty> so I at least shouldn't be too worried about it? 20:32:04 <Gonozal_VIII> nope 20:32:18 <Gonozal_VIII> it's not a real loss, only less profit 20:32:29 <hylje> profit!! 20:32:37 <SpComb> what's a virtual coordinate? 20:32:42 <Gonozal_VIII> underpants! 20:32:44 <Eddi|zuHause> ??? 20:32:53 <Gonozal_VIII> sp 217 :-) 20:33:15 <Prof_Frink> pance! 20:33:20 <SpComb> as in, struct ViewPort virtual_left, virtual_top 20:33:23 <hylje> 1. steal underpants 20:33:30 <hylje> 2. ???3. profit!! 20:33:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-47.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:33:44 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't it "collect underpants"? 20:33:46 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/217/Gnomes.html 20:36:03 <Jonty> ok, thanks 20:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that's one of the few episodes that i actually saw... 20:42:23 *** Hendy [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:42:31 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:25 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B547E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:54:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:07 <SpComb> screenshot.cpp #include fileio.h twice 20:57:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B6008.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:33 <DaleStan> Rubidium: Surely action 5 types 14/94 and 15/95 load to an array containing a defined number of sprites? Shouldn't that number be documented somewhere? 21:07:21 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:09:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:14:35 <Belugas> DaleStan, I might be wrong, but i think, looking at the code, that the sprites in questions are loaded directly in the spritecache, which is a reallocated array. So it is not really a defined array. 21:15:41 <DaleStan> But isn't there a defined number of sprites? As in, if I tried to load 5000 sprites, they wouldn't all get used? 21:16:07 <DaleStan> And if not all of them would get used, how many would? 21:16:35 <Belugas> been used is a different story here, indeed 21:17:03 *** lordneon [~lordneon@87.127.68.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:08 <Belugas> i was replying regardingf the load, not the usage 21:17:15 * Belugas heads down in the code 21:17:48 *** lordneon [~lordneon@87.127.68.15] has joined #openttd 21:18:01 <DaleStan> At least in Patch, action 5 has always allowed any number of sprites to be loaded; the interesting information is how many of those will be used. 21:19:25 <Belugas> granted, same here 21:20:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:22:18 <Belugas> so, looks like there are as many flags as there are lang available on the server 21:22:33 <Belugas> no... 21:22:37 <Belugas> i mean... 21:22:48 <Belugas> as there are possible lang 21:22:57 <Belugas> of course, a server can only have one lang set 21:24:37 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55A16.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:25:42 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 21:30:44 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:52 <DaleStan> So, one flag per *.lng file? Any ideas which lang file gets which offset in the array? 21:32:35 <Gonozal_VIII> random :D 21:32:49 *** shadow [~Reefer@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 21:33:05 *** shadow is now known as toet 21:33:16 <glx> ANY|ENGLISH|GERMAN|FRENCH|BRAZILIAN|BULGARIAN|CHINESE|CZECH|DANISH|DUTCH|ESPERANTO|FINNISH|HUNGARIAN|ICELANDIC|ITALIAN|JAPANESE|KOREAN|LITHUANIAN|NORWEGIAN|POLISH|PORTUGUESE|ROMANIAN|RUSSIAN|SLOVAK|SLOVENIAN|SPANISH|SWEDISH|TURKISH|UKRAINIAN 21:33:19 <Belugas> DaleStan: don't know yet, sorry, was buzy away, I will provide the answer as soon as i can, which means possible (my) tonight 21:33:38 <toet> Error opening framebuffer device! <- 21:34:08 <Gonozal_VIII> ESPERANTO <-- who plays the game in esperanto? 21:34:16 <Belugas> well... looks like my tonigh is going to be less buzy :D 21:34:24 <Belugas> thanks glx 21:34:37 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII: at least the one who did the translation 21:34:48 <DaleStan> Alphabetical? Nice. So when a new language gets added, it changes the flag-offset of all subsequent languages? 21:35:15 <glx> not really 21:35:20 <Gonozal_VIII> that's not alphabetical? 21:35:26 <DaleStan> Well, almost alphabetical. So maybe that's not an issue. 21:35:47 <glx> if you look closer you'll see the 4 first one, then the other were added in 1 bunch 21:35:59 <toet> why doesnt openttd open the framebuffer thing on debian? x/ 21:36:33 <blathijs> the what? 21:36:55 <blathijs> Gonozal_VIII: I'm planning on learning esperanto, so I will :-) 21:37:23 <blathijs> toet: Could it be that you're not in X, or the $DISPLAY environment variable isn't set right? 21:38:14 <blathijs> toet: It sounds like SDL tries to run on framebuffer instead of X, which it probably shouldn't do 21:38:18 * blathijs is off to bed 21:39:34 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:41 <SpComb> hmm, I now have code that should theoretically let me get .png screenshots of arbitrary (x, y)+(w, h) screen coordinates 21:45:13 <SpComb> however, it consists of code copy-pasted from four different files, and I'm guessing at how ViewPorts' coordinate systems work 21:53:22 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 21:53:53 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 21:59:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11538 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Rewrite GetNthSetBit in a more uncontroversial way and add its documentation 21:59:46 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:00:06 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A503D.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 22:07:10 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:07:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 22:08:09 <Rubidium> DaleStan: the maximum number of sprites in action 5 types 14/94, 15/95 will increase over time; could add what that number is now, but I fear that is going to be outdated within a few weeks. 22:08:48 <DaleStan> Well then, update it in a few weeks. That's the way everything else on the wiki works. 22:10:43 <Rubidium> so that would be something like "Up to 32 (20h)" 22:13:19 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 22:16:10 <Wolf01> 'night 22:16:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.5.15.251] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:17:23 <Belugas> going home. good nighht all 22:21:23 <SpComb> I've managed to crash an openttd process by doing a HTTP request in my browser. Do I win something? 22:21:54 <Gonozal_VIII> :S 22:21:55 <SpComb> although it was actually an assertion, not a segfault :( 22:22:07 <dihedral> g'night 22:27:09 * SpComb wonders how to run openttd under gdb when he's spawning the process from Python 22:28:59 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:43 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 22:34:56 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:28 <ln-> let's have a song in german, m'kay: http://youtube.com/watch?v=57PWqFowq-4 22:37:02 <Gonozal_VIII> O_o 22:39:14 *** Jonty [~jadh@80-192-73-198.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:39:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't get what should be funny about that... 22:40:03 <ln-> who said anything about funny 22:40:49 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:39 <ln-> it was supposed to leave you with the "wtf" feeling. 22:41:52 <ln-> he sings more or less like that. 22:42:03 <Eddi|zuHause> in that case... mission accomplished :p 22:42:05 <Bjarni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWw1OpDrpI <-- speaking of songs/music 22:42:23 <Eddi|zuHause> OLD! 22:42:27 <Bjarni> I know 22:42:57 <Bjarni> but it's still cool 22:43:07 <Bjarni> they were on TV here 22:43:46 <Bjarni> it's a group of CS students who decided to play music for some reason even though a whole lot of other people are way better than them 22:45:11 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-18-86.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:45:16 <SpComb> hmm... BlitterFactoryBase::GetCurrentBlitter()->GetScreenDepth() returns zero 22:45:31 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:22 <ln-> some more, in semi-bjarnian language: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKieEwru3HI 22:47:07 <Bjarni> wtf 22:47:21 <Bjarni> a song about being a rubber ball???? 22:47:44 <ln-> not being a, but being like a 22:49:07 <Bjarni> same thing 22:49:16 <Bjarni> it's a description of the song writer's head 22:49:39 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUEyYuZkjVI :-) 22:49:40 <ln-> that song is not written by him, btw. 22:50:54 <Bjarni> that makes two rubber balls 22:51:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:46 <fjb> 'nabend. 22:52:21 <Bjarni> I hope it was tasty 22:52:29 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 22:52:29 <fjb> !logs 22:55:38 <SpComb> hmm, I guess I have to do something special to make a dedicated server run a blitter and be capable of making screenshots 22:56:27 <ln-> Bjarni: btw, he has also sung aloud newspapers at some point. 22:56:35 <Bjarni> hehe 22:59:01 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause> now THAT is a funny video ;) 23:01:03 <Bjarni> yeah 23:01:10 <Bjarni> first good Ramstein song :P 23:02:48 <Gonozal_VIII> the real rammstein songs are good! 23:02:51 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk_DE25KlM4 :p 23:03:18 <SpComb> that's a good quality fake-rammstein :o 23:03:28 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 23:03:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, they sync is really great :p 23:04:04 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-151-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:09 <Bjarni> hehe.... Hitler is funny 23:04:11 <SpComb> at some points it's a bit wrong, but at other times it's surprisingly good 23:04:16 <Bjarni> and don't you dare take that out of context :P 23:04:18 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [] 23:04:39 <SpComb> dpm 23:04:47 <SpComb> don't worry, I'll just stick it into my forums sig 23:05:30 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 23:08:43 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:09:32 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-148-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:43 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 23:12:54 *** Arpad [~Gali@204.13.236.244] has joined #openttd 23:16:11 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:16:32 <fjb> I was really bad today, killing the rain forrest: http://www.myimg.de/?img=TropicExpress4Dez19965c7ce.png 23:17:07 <ben_goodger> ooh! 23:17:32 <fjb> Tropical wood brings a lot of money. 23:17:40 <ben_goodger> indeed. 23:18:09 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-037-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:33 <ben_goodger> and additionally, yay for percentage indicators, drive-through lorry stops and newstations 23:18:54 <fjb> Yes, and articulated trucks. :-) 23:19:03 <fjb> It's a lot fun now. 23:19:11 <ben_goodger> perhaps someone should factor the price of diesel into the running costs 23:19:13 <Gonozal_VIII> articulated trucks? 23:19:34 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Generic road vehicle set. 23:19:55 <fjb> Running the diesel engines is not that cheap. 23:20:01 <ben_goodger> indeed 23:20:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm didn't test that yet... does it support the ecs vectors? 23:20:12 <fjb> And I'm using two on most of the wood trains. 23:20:15 <ben_goodger> in the UK it costs .70/gal this afternoon.... 23:20:44 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Don't know, at least it supports Pikka's industries. 23:20:59 <Prof_Frink> £1.03/l would seem more likely 23:21:04 <ben_goodger> I probably should download the source 23:21:06 <glx> so it should work with ECS 23:21:22 <ben_goodger> Prof_Frink: nope, 107.9p/litre for diesel today (cornwall) 23:21:31 <fjb> Download the source of diesel fuel? :-) 23:21:45 <ben_goodger> no, of the current openttd 23:22:07 <fjb> ben_goodger: Ok, you should really do that. 23:22:15 <Gonozal_VIII> diesel is between 1,2 and 1,3 euro/l here 23:22:22 <ben_goodger> but I hate to upset APT, it gets so annoyed when I do that sort of thing ^_^ 23:22:42 <Prof_Frink> Petrol is still under £1/l at the garage at the end of the road 23:22:52 <fjb> Who is APT? 23:23:02 <ben_goodger> advanced package tool 23:23:04 <Prof_Frink> fjb: The package mangler probably 23:23:15 <Prof_Frink> ben_goodger: Just don't install it 23:23:25 <ben_goodger> it doesn't in fact mangle anything.. 23:23:30 <fjb> Oh, sounds like Linux. Make is your friend. :-) 23:23:33 <Prof_Frink> Run from ~/src/openttd/trunk/bin or whatever 23:24:12 <ben_goodger> pleh, very well 23:24:23 * Prof_Frink wonders about setting up an openttd nightly PPA 23:24:28 <fjb> OpenTTD is really easy to compile. You really don't need any packet stuff. 23:24:47 <ben_goodger> yes, but it's so tedious 23:25:37 <Gonozal_VIII> i had to install almost 3gb to compile it on win xp 23:26:12 <ben_goodger> that's ludicrous 23:27:07 <ben_goodger> Prof_Frink: where on earth are you? 23:27:31 <Prof_Frink> Poole 23:28:22 <ben_goodger> ah 23:30:51 <Prof_Frink> 4 garages sun-£1 within 5 miles 23:31:07 <ben_goodger> ho hum 23:32:23 <Eddi|zuHause> how much is 1 poind in euro? 23:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> s/i/u/ 23:33:07 <Gonozal_VIII> last time i changed it was 1,5 23:33:21 <Gonozal_VIII> but that's long ago^^ 23:33:37 <fjb> :-) 23:33:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:47 <LeviathNL> since when is ctrl-road removing road? 23:34:21 <Prof_Frink> LeviathNL: A couple of days 23:34:57 <fjb> It's now consistent with the autrail tool. 23:35:27 <LeviathNL> so you van only make one-way roads by using the gui? 23:35:51 <fjb> I feared my long trains would deadlock in the smaller stations, but that never happened: http://www.myimg.de/?img=TropicExpress29Dez199b6a03.png 23:41:21 <fjb> I only know the gui. But I'm removing more roads then I declare roads one way. 23:41:46 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=700&y=700&w=1000&h=1000&z=0 <-- hmm, said PNG is generated inside the OpenTTD process for each request, but sadly, there's not very much interesting stuff to look at on it 23:42:05 * SpComb thinks that trying to generate a screenshot even though the current blitter is the null blitter probably won't work that well 23:42:32 <Bjarni> SpComb: next time you take a screenshot, please wait for daylight :P 23:42:39 <SmatZ> :-D 23:42:51 <fjb> Oh, is that the night time patch? :-) 23:43:26 <toet> to start openttd in background on ssh its ./openttd -d? 23:43:27 <toet> right? 23:43:51 <Prof_Frink> is it -d or -D? 23:44:03 <SpComb> http://pastebin.com/m556c9829 <-- mmm, what code 23:45:34 <toet> because im getting weird errors 23:45:34 <toet> http://revpermin.com/pastebin/view.php?id=35 23:45:57 <SpComb> toet: it's trying to run it with video, -d is daemonize, -D is dedicated 23:46:07 <SpComb> you need both, I guess 23:46:14 <toet> ahhh 23:46:25 <toet> dbg: Map generated, starting game 23:46:27 <toet> neet 23:46:31 <Prof_Frink> "Run openttd -D in a terminal. If you are connecting to the server via SSH and would like the game to run when you logout you should use GNU Screen" 23:46:47 <toet> ah i read small d 23:47:21 <Prof_Frink> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Dedicated_server 23:47:22 <toet> thx 23:47:31 <toet> its running now :) 23:47:47 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:48:32 <LeviathNL> cool, the first time i see a ttrs3 hospital being blown up and rebuild 23:48:47 <Bjarni> ... 23:48:56 <toet> you can login as admin from client? 23:48:57 <Bjarni> you think it's cool to blow up a hospital? 23:49:17 <SmatZ> blow up a hospital, change it into cemetery 23:49:22 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Yes when it gets rebuilt as shinynew 23:49:31 <glx> SpComb: -d is debug 23:50:10 <SpComb> woo, now I managed to crash OpenTTD with a glibc detected *** double free or corruption via an HTTP request! 23:50:35 <SmatZ> :-) 23:51:34 <fjb> LeviathNL: It ist sometimes really interesting just to watch what happens while the game is running. 23:51:48 <SpComb> hmm... disturbing, it only happens once I close the png handle, which means that the screenshot itself *might* be working! 23:53:25 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=1000&y=1000&w=1000&h=1000&z=0 <-- you can see little lines now 23:53:40 <SpComb> quite minimalistic graphics though 23:54:11 <SmatZ> really? 23:54:32 <SmatZ> maybe if I really concencrate myself... 23:54:37 <SmatZ> when I try reallt hard 23:54:48 <SmatZ> I see very little lines... 23:54:50 <SmatZ> no :( 23:54:54 <fjb> Is it in wide screen format? 23:55:20 <SpComb> there are little grey lines that extend across the left half of the .png 23:55:46 <SpComb> if you change x to 500, then they extend across the entire screen 23:55:48 <Gonozal_VIII> yay, that's almost a working screenshot then 23:56:12 <SpComb> yeah, now I "just" have to figure out what's causing a double free/corruption, and why it isn't working 23:56:32 <SmatZ> I really do not see anything 23:57:28 <SpComb> your display must be configured badly then 23:57:49 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm the map is rotated by 45°... are you sure, that the coordinates are not in that black triangle? 23:58:16 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=550&y=10&w=200&h=200&z=0 <-- ooh, blue pixels 23:58:31 <SpComb> Gonozal_VIII: yeah, I'm pretty sure it's broken in some more severe way 23:59:03 <glx> to see the lines I must put brightness at max 23:59:32 <SpComb> http://dev.myottd.net:8119/openttd_img?x=550&y=10&w=1000&h=1000&z=0 <-- the 8bbp-simple blitter actually gives something that looks like it could be correct 23:59:58 <SpComb> that looks like OpenTTD, but there's some bugs there (orly)