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00:08:07 *** MDGreinJr [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 00:10:08 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 00:13:56 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:10 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:12 <UnderBuilder> åºå°ã¯ãã¹ãŠç§ãã¡ã«å±ãã 00:14:30 <UnderBuilder> try to see what it says :P 00:14:52 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:24:49 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11631 /trunk/src/ (main_gui.cpp newgrf_gui.cpp): -Fix (r11585, r11626): remove MSVC warnings 00:26:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:43 <SmatZ> !ping 00:31:45 <SmatZ> ok 00:32:42 <glx> !pong? 00:33:07 <Sacro> !pong? 00:33:43 <glx> !password 00:34:15 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/351 I wonder what are they trying to do :) 00:34:18 <Sacro> !hunter2? 00:34:32 <SmatZ> I was just lagged a bit 00:35:20 <glx> is it in your server logs? 00:35:40 <SmatZ> yes 00:35:42 <SmatZ> apache logs 00:35:57 <glx> I remember seeing google in my IIS logs 00:36:28 <glx> fixed it with a robots.txt ;) 00:36:55 <UnderBuilder> question: will you devs include some generic tram set so we can use trams without a newgrf? 00:37:17 <glx> it still will be a newgrf 00:37:44 <SmatZ> glx: yes, sometimes I see google too... robots.txt could be useful 00:38:16 <SmatZ> UnderBuilder: I am not ignoring you, I just don't know 00:39:18 <UnderBuilder> why? for multiplayer will be hard to have trams and lots of clients 00:39:41 <glx> trams are a newgrf feature 00:40:07 <Sacro> i think the generic tram set should be included with OpenTTD as the default tramset 00:40:17 <UnderBuilder> I mean a default tram set 00:40:21 <glx> but it's still a newgrf 00:40:56 <SmatZ> OTTD already contains tramtrack / wires GRF, only vehicles are needed 00:41:53 <UnderBuilder> other question, why not make the proposed 3d openttd but keeping the original and making them compatible between the two? 00:43:22 <glx> we won't do a 3d version, and if someone wants to make a 3d version compatible with OTTD, it will need to use the same logic, single thread... 00:43:55 <SmatZ> 3D would change the behaviour of game a lot... maybe many people would dislike it - it would be hard to set it to be usable for everyone... and furthermore - it would take a lot of dev time 00:43:58 *** MDGreinJr is now known as MDGrein 00:44:57 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 00:46:38 <UnderBuilder> ooother question: if openttd will be 8bpp why you implemented 32bpp? 00:47:11 <glx> 32bpp is just cosmetic, and CPU consuming 00:47:49 <SpComb> SmatZ: vulnerability scanning 00:48:58 <SmatZ> SpComb: thanks, I googled for it, too :) 00:49:50 <UnderBuilder> then why it was implemented? 00:50:33 * SpComb gets a *lot* of hits for /w00tw00t.at.ISC.SANS.DFind:) 00:51:01 <glx> UnderBuilder: because it was possible 00:51:28 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:51:37 <UnderBuilder> but what use should it have then? 00:51:56 <glx> better looking graphics 00:53:03 <SmatZ> SpComb: nice, I have them too :) 16 since August 00:55:28 *** loosec [~loosec@nl101-219-25.student.uu.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:57:50 *** TallOak [~cjfd3@furry.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 01:01:38 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F26A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:03:31 *** TallOak_ [~cjfd3@furry.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:18 *** TallOak_ [~cjfd3@furry.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 01:08:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EB17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:19 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:55 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 01:14:03 *** TallOak [~cjfd3@furry.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:14:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5523F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:51 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:22:02 <SmatZ> night 01:22:04 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:30 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:27:09 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:46 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7717D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:13 <fjb> Good night. 01:51:21 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F26A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:49 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 02:11:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-209-143.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:14:21 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 02:20:59 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-153-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:26:36 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-172-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:27:06 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 02:54:01 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489BEC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:58:58 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BCF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:39 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB53C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 03:34:13 <ln-> goood moooorrniiiiing, channel! 03:34:45 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:49:15 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 03:53:58 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-152-58.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:46 *** BigBB [~opera@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:06:32 *** BigBB [~opera@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 04:07:35 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:10:49 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:11:40 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:16:43 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 04:21:17 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:21:32 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:22:06 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:27:58 *** [newbie] [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:28:04 *** [newbie] is now known as Gekz_ 04:28:18 <Gekz_> I'm having trouble with my server being seen 04:28:33 <Gekz_> not any more >_> 04:28:37 <Gekz_> it just randomly turned up 04:33:08 <BigBB> what do you mean? A savegame and so on will help... 04:37:01 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 04:37:30 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:37:42 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:37:59 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:41:27 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:41:57 <Gekz_> me? 04:45:41 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:22:53 *** Argon_Sloth [~sloth@bas12-toronto63-1088795358.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 05:23:15 <Argon_Sloth> I have a quick question. 05:23:30 <Argon_Sloth> Is there a way to increase the size of the UI buttons at higher resolutions? 05:52:55 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B041D2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:23 *** murr4y [murray@2001:618:400::9e27:7c67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:55 *** Argon_Sloth [~sloth@bas12-toronto63-1088795358.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [] 06:26:14 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:33:48 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:29 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 07:00:55 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:01:39 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 07:04:53 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-211.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:14 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13:22 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 07:19:37 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:38:03 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:49 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5702E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:58:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:00:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:14:47 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 08:14:47 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:01 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 08:18:53 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:27 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:20:15 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 08:26:43 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-211.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:27:43 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has joined #openttd 08:30:05 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has left #openttd [] 08:30:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:26 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 08:47:49 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-145-215-69.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:47:53 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:53:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 08:56:22 <Gekz_> is there a server command to take someones money? 09:01:28 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:03:42 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:06:12 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:45 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:17:11 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> there should be a way to transfer money from one company to another 09:32:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> to turn that into a console command should not be very hard 09:33:02 <Gekz_> a penalty for breaking the rules -_- 09:33:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> to let that money disappear somewhere is a completely different issue 09:33:52 <Gekz_> not really 09:34:05 <Gekz_> money-=variable_number 09:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, because that will need clientside modification 09:35:06 <Gekz_> how so 09:35:13 <Gekz_> isn't the amount of money you have stored on the server? 09:35:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> each and every amount of whatsoever small significance is stored on the server and every client 09:36:13 <Gekz_> so doesnt that mean anything with a number requires server and client modification? 09:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> everything must be calculated on each client (quasi-)simultaneously 09:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> the server sends out a command, and every client executes it 09:38:07 <Maedhros> if you take money from a company on a server but don't tell the client about it, you'll end up with a desync if the client thinks the player has the money to build something but the server doesn't 09:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> the command to transfer money is already implemented on client side, so you only have to add a server side method to send it 09:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> the command to let money disappear is not implemented anywhere 09:38:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> so if you send such a command to a client, it does not know what to do with it 09:39:58 <Rubidium> it might even kick all clients due to an invalid command 09:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. you could take the money from the offending company, and distribute it to the other companies (by whatever method you consider "fair", it just have to add up to the same amount of money) 09:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> ... and i should be working... 09:42:43 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:46 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 09:44:19 <Rubidium> if you have 'space' for an extra company you can just start a new one send money there and remove it 09:44:32 <Rubidium> it still requires some server changing 09:49:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:09 *** h3lb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 09:57:28 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:57:46 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 10:11:01 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 10:15:51 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:22 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 10:59:07 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:09 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7716B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:58 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@CPE-58-168-19-44.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 11:08:36 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has joined #openttd 11:09:21 <Svish> can somone explain to me why non-stop ordered trains stop? they dont pick anything up, but they slow down and stop before they start again. which is kind of annoying... 11:09:36 <Svish> real-world trains dont do that, do they? 11:11:30 <Maedhros> yes, well, there are many things ttd trains do that real world trains don't :p 11:11:52 <Maedhros> but anyway, have you got TTDPatch-compatible non-stop handling enabled in the patches menu? 11:12:38 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:29 * Maedhros thinks we should rename that to something more descriptive, actually 11:21:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7716B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:21:34 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B744BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:28:43 <svippy> Svish... 11:28:52 <svippy> That name sounds a lot familiar to my name! >:O 11:28:54 *** svippy is now known as svip 11:34:58 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-204-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:01 *** MarkSlap [~me@h240n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:57:57 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:59:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:02:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E007.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:41 *** markmc [~me@h240n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:41 *** MarkSlap is now known as markmc 12:20:45 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 12:22:57 <Svish> Svish: what do you mean? 12:23:12 <Svish> Maedhros: i dont think I do actually. didnt know what that one was :p 12:24:36 <Maedhros> Svish: it was just a thought - i don't know why your trains are stopping, since they shouldn't be. do you have a screenshot of the orderlist, and the train stopping at a station it shouldn't? 12:28:17 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:41 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.227] has joined #openttd 12:37:54 *** UnderBuilder_ [~chatzilla@168.226.104.82] has joined #openttd 12:43:45 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.104.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:48 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-40.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:47:20 <Svish> Maedhros: well, it was a good thought, cause I activated it, and now its working nicely :) thanks! 12:55:40 *** Desolator [~Desolator@86.126.78.22] has joined #openttd 12:55:55 <Desolator> hola! 13:06:01 <svip> :O 13:06:05 <svip> Hey, Spanish speaking person. 13:06:11 <svip> Unless you just know the word "hola". 13:06:16 <svip> And isn't actually Spanish speaking.f 13:06:17 <svip> -f 13:06:25 <svip> Sort of like how I am technically not English speaking. 13:06:28 <svip> I just speak it. 13:06:30 * svip laughs. 13:17:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83C1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80E3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:19:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:20:34 <Desolator> ok 13:20:59 <Desolator> As you may know, I've been working on a new cross-platform updater for OTTD 13:22:30 <Rubidium> cool, we're allowed to know it ;) 13:22:53 <Desolator> lemme write details first...:P 13:23:33 <Desolator> well, it's currently getting momentum, and as today I've had my last exam until about 5 months, I'll have plenty of time 13:24:17 <Desolator> I've picked up the language, after many comparisons, it's PHP, using PHP-GTK 2 13:25:04 <Rubidium> so you have to install that before you can run the 'binary'? 13:25:10 <Desolator> I've found a nice site with OOP examples of using it, as well as a super guide of installing it on Unix-like systems (because for Window you have official binaries, as well as a great 3rd-party installer), so users won't have much trouble 13:25:33 <Desolator> yep, only for the gui version, since I'll make a cli thingy as well 13:26:33 <Desolator> I'm already learning the api from the official docs (gtk.php.net), and I've already coded the basic structure 13:26:52 <Rubidium> but installing another application before getting to your installer makes it quite 'hard' to use, especially because virtually nobody will have that installed 13:28:21 <Desolator> ...I would have used pygtk, but I already know PHP, and php-gtk is getting VERY stable, so it won't be long before it gets included in most distors (KateOS has it's package manager coded in it) 13:28:57 <Desolator> also, I'll try to make a bash script to install php-gtk in one shot, so I won't get too many complains 13:30:36 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-204-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:04 <Desolator> well, questions? 13:33:53 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:34:01 <BiA|pavel-css> cus 13:34:09 <BiA|pavel-css> again :/ 13:34:12 <BiA|pavel-css> s/cus/hi 13:34:17 <Rubidium> well... VIM is very stable and is also included in all default installations, so why would php-gtk? Why should I even install a gnome toolkit when not using gnome at all? 13:35:09 <SpComb> eek, GUI applications in PHP 13:35:40 *** h3lb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:35:58 <Desolator> SpComb: what? 13:36:13 *** h3lb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 13:36:46 <Desolator> Rubidium: I don't see what's the big problem in using gtk+ 13:37:33 <Rubidium> you having to release a 20+ MB binary for 'noobs'? 13:37:48 <SpComb> Desolator: seems like a bad idea 13:38:13 <Desolator> Rubidium: do I need to point to BuildOTTD? :P 13:38:27 <SpComb> Python's better suited for applications, and with py2exe you can get a reasonable-sized (couple MB) .exe out of a python script 13:38:49 <Rubidium> Desolator: but that's a totally different tool 13:39:03 <Rubidium> it needs to contain that compiler 13:39:18 <SpComb> oh yes, ship a compiler with it, and have it compile svn revisions for you :P 13:40:02 <Desolator> Rubidium: also, it's not for noobs, the current windows build can be of good use for servers, it can update open and start it or another app or batch file or anything like that 13:40:28 <SpComb> right, that's what BuildOTTD does 13:40:58 <Desolator> with windows-only, requiring a 40 MB + binary (.NET) 13:42:08 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:28 <svip> :O make install - not war 13:43:32 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:43:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:43:36 <svip> glx knows. 13:43:46 <glx> what? 13:44:00 <svip> That one should make install, not war. 13:46:14 * Rubidium wonders why one needs a tool to update the nightlies; just two commands are enough 13:46:33 <glx> wget && unzip :) 13:46:48 <SpComb> Rubidium: not everyone lives in the wonderful dev world that is linux 13:47:02 <hylje> :o 13:47:12 <Rubidium> curl -s http://nightly.openttd.org/latest/OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-r`curl -s http://nightly.openttd.org/devs/rev`.tar.bz2|tar -xj && mv OTTD-linux-i686-nightly-* nightly 13:47:12 <svip> :o 13:47:15 <svip> They don't? 13:47:44 <Rubidium> and you can run that on windows too, okay... you require a basic shell but that's about all 13:47:48 <svip> I assume you have that in a script? 13:48:01 <Rubidium> no 13:48:18 <glx> no we always use latest trunk ;) 13:48:43 <Rubidium> primarily because I never download nightlies... they are well... too old ;) 13:49:07 <svip> ;) Oh right. 13:49:14 <svip> I am sorry. 13:49:17 <glx> and when I need to check something in nightlies I just svn up -r 13:52:43 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 14:01:13 *** murr4y [murray@2001:618:400::9e27:7c67] has joined #openttd 14:01:31 <murr4y> :) 14:07:07 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:54 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:11:20 *** UnderBuilder_ is now known as UnderBuilder 14:13:07 *** LordAzamath [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [] 14:14:29 *** Desolator [~Desolator@86.126.78.22] has quit [Quit: Leaving...d'uh] 14:15:25 *** Draakon_ [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:15:33 *** Draakon_ [~chatzilla@88-196-99-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 14:17:16 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-126-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:59 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has joined #openttd 14:23:02 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-153-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:39 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-126-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:07 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-71-63-8-35.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:00 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 14:40:17 <SmatZ> hello 14:40:36 <BiA|pavel-css> hi 14:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> * Rubidium wonders why one needs a tool to update the nightlies; just two commands are enough <- "there are only 3 commands needed to install gentoo" :p 14:42:38 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: and those are? 14:42:41 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-8-35.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://bash.org/?464385 14:43:40 <BiA|pavel-css> :D 14:44:22 <SmatZ> :-D 14:45:32 *** toet [~cheese@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:25 *** toet [~cheese@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:40 <Svish> hmm... something else that would be really sweet (that probably is already in the game, I just dont know where to find it), is if you could view the station cover area for existing stations... maybe like a toggle on and off like the loading percentate stuff that is either there or totally gone. 14:55:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are people who attempted that already, but they gave up because they found the calculation of the area too weird 14:56:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it's actually very easy... 14:56:38 <svip> I came here with a simple dream; a dream of killing all humans. And this is how it must end?! 14:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> you take the outermost components of the station in each direction 14:57:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> you take the largest radious from each compnent of the station 14:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> and add that radius to the rectangle defined by the outermost components 14:57:59 <Ondalf_Stardust> haha... that bash-link was hilarious :P 15:12:21 *** Wezz6400 is now known as Guest177 15:12:21 *** Wezz6400_ [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:21 *** Wezz6400_ is now known as Wezz6400 15:18:32 *** Guest177 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:42 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:49:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:27 <UnderBuilder> will be good if the max speed of the trains were only an average showcase and it could be suppered, so a tgv with two passengers wagons can reach ~265 kmh instead of 241kmh 15:56:37 <UnderBuilder> only in realistic train speed 15:58:37 <LordAzamath> is there anyone, who doesn't use realistic accel? 16:01:13 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:01:38 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 16:02:17 <Belugas> me 16:02:28 <Belugas> i don't care about acceleration 16:02:54 <Belugas> it is just not on waht i concentrate while ottd is running :) 16:06:15 <LordAzamath> true Belugas...afair you test it not play :D 16:07:46 <Belugas> true... 16:07:58 <Belugas> been a long time i have not played 16:09:11 <Belugas> really played... 16:09:52 <Belugas> i would have this kind of guilt: ho my god.. i should really debug/implement stuff... not waste my time playing... 16:10:37 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: "I'm not playing, I'm looking for inspiration for new features." 16:10:47 <LordAzamath> hmhph 16:10:51 <Prof_Frink> "Ooh, coal mine increased production" 16:11:42 <Belugas> hehe... Prof_Frink, it's not the lack of ideas, believe me :) I've got enough ideas to work on up until ver 1.0 ;) 16:12:14 *** Leviathan [~Leviathan@cpc3-port6-0-0-cust939.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:18 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: You don't tell people that. 16:12:19 <Leviathan> how do i stop this? 16:12:20 <Leviathan> http://jacob.jamroll.net/files/ttd01.jpg 16:12:28 <Leviathan> im playing multiplayer 16:12:32 <Leviathan> presignas dont work? 16:12:38 <Leviathan> i cant build them.. 16:13:34 <LordAzamath> why can't u build presignals? 16:13:36 <Prof_Frink> Play on a server where presignals aren't disabled? 16:13:48 <LordAzamath> presignals can be disabled? 16:13:50 <Leviathan> im playing on lan so i can enbable them 16:14:11 <Leviathan> i thought to build them u just keep clicking signal on the square but they wont build 16:14:16 <Leviathan> we are using default settings 16:14:19 <Leviathan> just installed 16:14:20 <Prof_Frink> ctrl-click 16:14:29 <Belugas> Prof_Frink: this is voluntary. there is nothing more frustrating than having to debate over what and how to do. It tends to get on my nerves and i'm not in the mood to work anymore on the matter. 16:14:40 <Leviathan> ah! ty Prof_Frink ! 16:14:40 <Prof_Frink> regular click toggles onewayicity 16:15:06 <Leviathan> so i should build them like http://wiki.openttd.org/images/0/0c/Presignalstation.png 16:15:07 <Leviathan> ? 16:15:18 <Prof_Frink> Leviathan: Play about. see what works 16:16:11 <Prof_Frink> But in general: horizontal yellow bar on block entrance (from mainline) and vertical white on block exit (to platform). 16:17:45 <Leviathan> ty 16:18:47 <Sionide> gotta love presigs :) 16:18:57 <LordAzamath> mhmh 16:19:19 <Prof_Frink> If by presigs you mean PBS... 16:19:25 <LordAzamath> imagine a...coop game w/o presignals :D 16:19:55 <Prof_Frink> Imagine a coop gam with non-fuckugly construction 16:20:06 <LordAzamath> ? 16:20:19 <Prof_Frink> Imagine an 'e' in the appropriate place in that last statement 16:20:34 <hylje> elaborate 16:20:59 <LordAzamath> whats so fuckugly about #coop ? 16:21:01 <Belugas> imagine you have imagination 16:21:04 <Sionide> i thought PBS weren't in ottd anymore? 16:21:14 <Belugas> they are not, Sionide 16:21:18 <LordAzamath> pbs hasn't been 16:21:19 <welterde> why did they got removed? 16:21:24 <Sionide> too buggy welterde 16:21:58 <Prof_Frink> LordAzamath: Oh look, a power station. Let's level half the map to build a 4,000 track station next to it. 16:22:03 <Sionide> PBS took a lot of fun out of making junctions if you ask me 16:22:12 <LordAzamath> Belugas..has there ever been a release with PBS for Open? I don't mean any INs 16:22:17 <welterde> but they are realistic ;) 16:22:29 <Sionide> they were in nightly builds for a while, i'm sure 16:22:34 <LordAzamath> Prof Frink..take a loook at this coop game trihg now 16:22:40 <LordAzamath> right* 16:22:48 <LordAzamath> chaos 16:22:53 <LordAzamath> no terra 16:22:55 <LordAzamath> pax 16:23:12 <LordAzamath> actually we ae permitted to make 1 level of terra 16:23:54 <Belugas> it was better to remove PBS then to be submerged by bug reports. It was too buggy because of the overall conception 16:23:58 <Belugas> ditch and rebuild 16:24:06 <Belugas> but yapf had to be done first 16:24:18 <Belugas> and pbs over yapf will eventually be done 16:24:24 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N933P003.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:24:25 <Belugas> but it's not a priority 16:24:31 <Prof_Frink> LordAzamath: Depends: being bothered to sort out GRFs 16:24:54 <Belugas> LordAzamath, i don't know if a release was made with PBS, but plenty of nightlies had them 16:25:27 <LordAzamath> frink..just dl the coop pack 16:25:39 <LordAzamath> have you ever been to #coop game? 16:25:43 <Prof_Frink> Can't be bothered. 16:25:47 <Prof_Frink> Yes. 16:25:48 <Belugas> welterde, realism should NEVER be an argument for inclusion of anything in OpenTTD, as far as i am concerned 16:25:56 <Prof_Frink> Half the map was levelled to build a station 16:26:30 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Well, not never, but gameplay should not be sacrificed for realism 16:26:30 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 16:26:30 <Gonozal_VIII> !logs 16:26:30 <welterde> Belugas: but it bothers me that i cant build a efficent one-rail line 16:26:55 <welterde> Belugas: because the train wont wait for the other train to enter the station 16:27:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm? 16:27:31 <Gonozal_VIII> it will if you set the signals right 16:28:13 <welterde> Gonozal_VIII: then you'll end up with ultra-complex stations 16:28:20 <Gonozal_VIII> (no signal at all on the one way part) 16:28:21 <LordAzamath> Prof_Frink 16:28:22 <LordAzamath> http://www.hot.ee/madisaasmae/pilt4.png 16:28:34 <LordAzamath> current FINISHED coop game 16:28:58 <Belugas> welterde, PBS had this tendancy to make it users made lousy station designs. Having the right tools, the right scheme, you can make some pretty efficient ones. 16:29:07 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm a finished game... i never really finished a game 16:29:20 <welterde> Belugas: but not as efficent as RL ones :P 16:29:22 <Belugas> Prof_Frink: i agree, realism is really not a criteria in gameplau 16:29:44 <welterde> where a train can __wait__ for a certain amount of time(or another train entering the station, etc.) 16:29:45 <Belugas> welterde, the hell about RealLife ones. It is a game, not a simulation of real-life 16:30:16 <Gonozal_VIII> just remove the signals from the one way part and the train will wait 16:30:24 <Prof_Frink> LordAzamath: OK, they've learnt since I was there 16:30:47 <welterde> Gonozal_VIII: and what if there are 3 trains on that track? 16:30:56 <Prof_Frink> LordAzamath: Also, KDE4 is le shiny. 16:31:01 <welterde> two in the station one outside? 16:31:03 <SmatZ> LordAzamath: I like your "MenÌÌ" :-) 16:31:36 <Gonozal_VIII> with 2 platforms? lock 16:31:42 <LordAzamath> it's Estonian for Menu 16:31:42 <Prof_Frink> Heavy metal kmenu \m/ 16:31:50 <welterde> Gonozal_VIII: yo... that buggers me 16:32:03 <LordAzamath> and it's KDE 3.5 16:32:14 <Prof_Frink> LordAzamath: I know. 16:32:16 <Gonozal_VIII> aaaand how should that be changed? trains can't jump over eachother 16:32:29 <hylje> : 16:32:29 <Prof_Frink> I was just telling you. 16:32:33 <hylje> Gonozal_VIII: are you sure? 16:32:56 <LordAzamath> :) 16:33:01 <welterde> Gonozal_VIII: could be solved with some kind of signal-wires ;) 16:33:18 <Gonozal_VIII> signal wires? :S 16:38:21 <hylje> guiding wires 16:40:19 <Belugas> for any of you who are using TTDPatch, do you know of any station grf using animations? 16:40:30 <Belugas> that do work in ttdp, of course :) 16:40:40 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 16:41:10 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 16:43:59 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:44:17 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: [16:43:45] < RPharazon> Every single one of them, Prof_Frink 16:44:38 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:47 <Belugas> ? 16:44:49 <Maedhros> umm, no 16:45:13 <Belugas> ho... that was from Quakenet :) 16:45:28 <Belugas> thanks for for posting in there :) 16:45:30 <Belugas> but... 16:47:02 <Belugas> stations that do exploit station prop 16, 17, 18 and callbacks 140 and 141, to be really precise :) 16:48:12 <Prof_Frink> Query forwarded. 16:48:34 * Belugas hugs efficient Prof_Frink 16:49:41 <Prof_Frink> [16:49:20] <@GoneWacko> tell him we have no interest in helping the spawn of evil that is OpenTTD! I feel like starting some more controversy between TTDPatch and OpenTTD 16:50:50 <hylje> what 16:51:57 <hylje> is there a reason for such hostility 16:52:25 <Prof_Frink> Nah, just GW being GW 16:52:35 <Belugas> it's normal... we are used to by now. it just does not surprises me... 16:52:47 <Belugas> thanks anyway 16:52:51 <Sionide> GW is a legend :( 16:53:07 <Belugas> and no, i'm not going to reply to GW and fuel up the fire. 16:53:31 <hylje> it would be great fun, at least 16:53:31 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 16:53:35 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 16:53:43 <Prof_Frink> hylje: Not really 16:53:54 <Belugas> kind of fun i leave to others, thanks... 16:54:31 <Prof_Frink> The connection would mysteriously drop 16:54:42 <Belugas> it all comes down to emotional statements, and logic is always left behind. it is always a mess not worth getting into 16:55:19 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Are your ears pointy? 16:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: aren't yours? 16:56:10 <Prof_Frink> Not particularly 16:56:26 <LordAzamath> yea right... 16:56:44 <Belugas> nope. But my blood can turn pretty hot if i'm getting carried away, which i really do not want to. I always regret words or actions i'd do in those circumstances 16:57:16 <Belugas> so i avoid those kind of confrontations as much as i can 16:57:19 <Belugas> like in this case 16:58:48 *** ColDICe [ColDICe@86.107.64.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:54 <BiA|pavel-css> cya in 2hours, tomorow or in two weeks ^^ :) 17:03:11 <Prof_Frink> Or never 17:03:17 <Prof_Frink> You might get run over 17:03:19 <BiA|pavel-css> i ma just gonna reinstall whole pc 17:03:39 <BiA|pavel-css> this is my frist time in five years 17:03:40 <BiA|pavel-css> :) 17:03:41 <Prof_Frink> It might explode. 17:03:51 * Prof_Frink throws BiA|pavel-css a kubuntu CD 17:04:04 *** BiA|pavel-css [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 17:09:13 *** ColDICe [ColDICe@86.107.64.112] has joined #openttd 17:09:40 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:30:47 <Svish> you people who play nighty versions... how often do you update it? 17:30:59 <hylje> whenever the server does 17:31:08 <Gonozal_VIII> everytime i play 17:31:19 <Gonozal_VIII> (and there is a new one available) 17:31:26 <Prof_Frink> Svish: Every evening, via cron 17:35:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> i never update nightlies... 17:35:54 <SpComb> whenever I run into a bug in OpenTTD 17:37:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E007.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:27 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause2, you compile instead? ;) 17:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> i only update trunk, but it is really unlikely that it happens to be a nightly ;) 17:38:23 <Prof_Frink> My crontab calls a shell script that runs svn up && make 17:38:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has left #openttd [] 17:38:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:58 <Prof_Frink> And is run at the same time as the nightlifier 17:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, i only update once in a blue moon... 17:39:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> practically whenever i start the game 17:50:52 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-145-215-69.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:50:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host42-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:51:36 <Wolf01> hello 17:55:55 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 17:59:36 *** TallOak [~cjfd3@furry.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:00:44 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:08 *** TallOak_ [~cjfd3@furry.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hi wolf 18:08:39 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-150-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Have a nice weekend] 18:16:56 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-172-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:42 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-150-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:06 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 18:21:23 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:23:16 <Sacro> rawr 18:24:19 <Belugas> hey Sacro 18:24:26 <Sacro> hi Belugas 18:24:31 <Sacro> you wanting to kick me again :( 18:24:43 <Belugas> nope 18:25:05 <Belugas> and if it was unwarrented, please accept my apologies 18:28:04 <Belugas> fact is, i don't like kicking. I do no feel a vicious satisfaction out of it. But since we have a very few rules (only english, no youtube), somehow, i think it is a duty to bring in order from time to time. As been suggested, maybe a ferix to the youtube url explaining waht it is for... 18:28:08 <Belugas> simple sugegstion 18:28:11 <Belugas> suggestion 18:31:35 <Sacro> Belugas: well i changed the topic, and then i posted the link :( 18:31:40 <Prof_Frink> Or just use a url-hiding service 18:31:41 <Sacro> but it was an on-topic link 18:31:49 <Tefad> tinyurl ftw 18:31:54 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: actually, i've been kicked for a site that was a youtube video 18:31:57 <Sacro> but not a youtube url 18:32:02 <Sacro> i hadn't even noticed 18:32:16 <Prof_Frink> Tefad: No, linkpot 18:33:58 <Belugas> ok ok ok... sorry... 18:34:57 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-172-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:51 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:09 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-189-247.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:58 *** markmc [~me@h240n1fls304o1036.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:52 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-187-141.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:19 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 19:00:28 *** Svish [~opera@host-85-30-130-97.sydskane.nu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:33 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-189-247.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:06:40 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-40.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:07:51 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-189-247.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:34 *** joosa` [~joosa@gw.heh.fi] has joined #openttd 19:09:58 *** joosa [~joosa@heh.fi] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:11:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:01 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:18:05 <SmatZ> is gramatically correct (in English) "on bridge"? 19:18:26 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:26 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 19:18:53 <SmatZ> (eg. "I am standing on bridge") 19:18:57 <Gonozal_VIII> a 19:19:10 <Belugas> or "the" 19:19:35 <SmatZ> err yes :) 19:19:45 <SmatZ> but the problem is the preposition 19:19:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:19:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:19:53 <SmatZ> whether "on" is correct 19:20:35 <Gonozal_VIII> my english is not perfect but... why not "on" ? 19:20:57 <SmatZ> why not, for example, "at"? 19:21:19 <Belugas> in this case, "on" means that your position is at the superior part of the bridge 19:21:34 <Gonozal_VIII> at would be next to the bridge.. 19:21:42 <SmatZ> next to? oh :-x 19:21:47 <Belugas> "at" woldmean that you have arrived in a position that is actually the bridge 19:22:06 <SmatZ> Belugas: ok, then "on" ... I tried "googlefight", and "at bridge" won, so I am asking here :) 19:22:11 <Belugas> so, after travelling for hours, i'm finally at the bridge" 19:22:17 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:53 <Gonozal_VIII> both are valid for a different situation, so googleight won't help much 19:23:04 <Belugas> "after walking the steps, i am now standing on the bridge, looking at the scenery" 19:23:31 <SmatZ> thanks, that is what I need :) 19:26:29 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:27:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-150-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:29:34 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:29 <Sacro> SmatZ: a bridge, or the bridge 19:31:40 <Sacro> yeah, could use at 19:31:57 <Gonozal_VIII> too late sacro :P 19:31:59 <Sacro> heh 19:32:02 <SmatZ> :-( 19:32:04 <Sacro> standing on a bridge 19:32:12 <Sacro> or possibly, i'm at the bridge now 19:32:16 <Sacro> but not actually on it 19:32:20 <SmatZ> thanks :) 19:32:23 <Gonozal_VIII> or in a bridge 19:32:27 <SmatZ> lol 19:32:48 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: you can go in the Humber Bridge 19:32:49 <Gonozal_VIII> homers head in the drawbridge :-) 19:32:51 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:54 <Sacro> and you can go in Tower Bridge too 19:33:03 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:53 <Gonozal_VIII> you can go in the tower bridge? 19:34:08 <Gonozal_VIII> into... but in? 19:34:37 <Leviathan> hey guys 19:34:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 19:34:45 <Leviathan> im looking for the multiple companys mod 19:35:00 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:35:52 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.206] has joined #openttd 19:35:56 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:36:00 <Gonozal_VIII> look for "subsidiaries" instead and you'll find it 19:36:13 <Leviathan> on the forums? 19:36:21 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 19:36:33 <Leviathan> ty 19:36:40 <remaxim> hi 19:36:49 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 19:37:02 *** joosa` [~joosa@gw.heh.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:08 <SmatZ> hi 19:37:35 <remaxim> ping Belugas 19:38:32 <Gonozal_VIII> ping timeout 19:40:11 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:06 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 19:51:08 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:57:03 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:51 <Leviathan> hey 19:58:08 <Leviathan> anyone used the Subsidiaries management patch? 19:58:19 <Leviathan> i cant create a subsidiaries.. the button dont work 19:58:43 <Gonozal_VIII> too many companies already? 19:59:21 <Leviathan> no 19:59:29 <Leviathan> all i did was apply the patch 19:59:33 <Leviathan> and creata a new game 19:59:44 <Leviathan> apply patch - overwrite with exe provided 19:59:52 <Leviathan> the thread says it dosent work with nighly 19:59:56 <Leviathan> im using latest stable build 20:00:15 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:01:37 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm r7213... that's old... 20:01:43 <Leviathan> here is thread http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=11942 20:01:47 <Leviathan> oh rly 20:01:57 <Leviathan> i used subsidiaries_bin_7213 20:03:05 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=615557 20:05:58 <Gonozal_VIII> anyways... what's so good about subsisiaries? i don't see that much use in it 20:06:52 <Gonozal_VIII> d 20:07:20 <Leviathan> lol 20:07:33 *** joosa [~joosa@gw.heh.fi] has joined #openttd 20:07:50 <Gonozal_VIII> lol? 20:07:59 <Leviathan> i saw that thread 20:08:03 <Leviathan> but no download? 20:08:12 <Leviathan> the .diff is the download? 20:08:20 <Belugas> remaxim : GONG!!! 20:08:32 <Gonozal_VIII> yes the .diff is the download^^ 20:08:36 <remaxim> Belugas, could you write me a pm? 20:08:48 <remaxim> I brb in about 5 min 20:09:20 <Leviathan> how can i apply that 20:09:29 <Leviathan> dont i have to recompile? 20:10:08 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm there's a program called buildopenttd or something like that, didn't test it but that should do the trick 20:10:16 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:15 <Gonozal_VIII> first sticky in development part of the forum btw 20:17:19 <Leviathan> ok ty 20:17:34 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:17:52 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 20:17:55 <Leviathan> gone back to my lan game for the time being :) 20:18:05 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest200 20:18:05 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host137-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:18:05 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 20:18:07 <Gonozal_VIII> hf 20:20:48 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:33 *** Guest200 [~wolf01@host42-236-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:27:02 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: BuildTTD 20:27:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:29 <Gonozal_VIII> BuildOTTD :-) 20:27:43 <Sacro> zomg 20:27:46 <Sacro> i was wrong :( 20:28:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 20:28:27 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: You *are* wrong. 20:28:27 <Gonozal_VIII> you failed! now you have to commit ritual suicide 20:28:41 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:28:45 * Sacro gets his Hari Kari for beginners book 20:29:14 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm is there an advanced/experts book? 20:29:22 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: yes 20:29:22 <hylje> harakiri? 20:29:49 <Sacro> hylje: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_kari 20:30:54 <hylje> :o 20:32:05 <Gonozal_VIII> does it require advanced resurrection skills to be a top level hari kari expert? 20:34:53 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:37:35 <Digitalfox> Jesus Sacro Hara-kiri o_O 20:37:43 <Sacro> Digitalfox: what? 20:38:07 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, i'm sure jusus would be good at that 20:38:14 <Gonozal_VIII> jesus... 20:38:25 <Digitalfox> Sacro: I'm having dinner " Seppuku is committed by plunging a sword into the abdomen and making a left to right cut. " 20:39:01 <Digitalfox> Hey Gonozal_VIII I'm Jesus :) 20:39:09 <Sacro> Digitalfox: well you shouldn't google image search it 20:39:51 <Gonozal_VIII> what if you hava a left-right weakness and cut the wrong way? 20:41:18 <Digitalfox> Gonozal_VIII: I don't know and don't care since I'm not thinking on doing... But about you Gonozal_VIII wanna give us feedback on what happens lol 20:42:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i'll paste some pictures on the forum then :-) 20:43:29 <Digitalfox> No i was saying to shows live feedback lol 20:43:31 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:43:35 <Digitalfox> *show us 20:44:49 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: email me t3h codes 20:44:54 *** G [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 20:45:15 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe open source 20:46:36 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 20:46:42 *** G_ [~njones@202-154-150-91.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7D119.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:48 *** TheBlasphemer [~fw@s5593f0f9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:59:51 <TheBlasphemer> Heya :) 21:00:58 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7CE30.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:13 *** remaxim [~remaxim@84.19.173.206] has left #openttd [] 21:04:33 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-66-32.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:17 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-66-32.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [] 21:05:18 <Belugas> hey TheBlasphemer 21:05:56 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:24 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-66-32.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:32 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-189-247.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:36 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 21:16:48 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E70.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:18:41 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:18:48 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-8-35.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:45 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-71-63-30-72.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:36 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:36 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 21:22:05 *** markmc [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:31 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:17 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:26 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-150-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:35:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-150-90.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:37:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:07 <Leviathan> how do u place a sign 21:58:25 <Leviathan> nvm got it 21:58:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 22:11:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:15:25 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-211.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:14 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-159-211.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 22:21:18 <Leviathan> arg 22:21:23 <Leviathan> y cant u drag select buy land 22:22:09 <Gonozal_VIII> you can in singleplayer 22:24:29 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E70.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:15 <Leviathan> gay 22:31:32 <SmatZ> no 22:32:26 <Gonozal_VIII> imagine some rich player on a server gets bored and drags the buy land tool over the whole map 22:32:52 <Gonozal_VIII> and the server admin is not there to fix that 22:34:42 <Leviathan> yea i understand 22:34:44 <Leviathan> but there is no option? 22:35:24 <SmatZ> there are too many options 22:35:46 <Gonozal_VIII> why do you want to buy larg areas of land? 22:35:51 <Gonozal_VIII> +e 22:40:38 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-98-68-12.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:59 <Leviathan> to save time 22:43:09 <Leviathan> buying areas of land one square at a time 22:44:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> you could build your stuff on it instead 22:44:08 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i know that it saves time but why do you want to buy large areas at all? 22:46:18 <TheBlasphemer> For example if you want to expand your station, but there's a town-road or building in the way, and you want to reserve the land around it to prevent the town from spreading any more in that particular direction, so you can destroy and expand later ? 22:46:46 <Gonozal_VIII> yes but that's not a large area 22:47:02 <TheBlasphemer> It's a tedious job buying each and every block though :/ 22:47:16 <TheBlasphemer> and I can understand perfectly well that someone would appreciate being able to buy it by dragging :/ 22:47:27 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-66-32.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:27 *** Sogard^ is now known as Sogard 22:47:33 <Gonozal_VIII> just buy a tile in front of the town road and it can't extend it 22:47:59 <Gonozal_VIII> no road, no houses :-) 22:48:49 *** kyevan [~kyevan@li2-41.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 22:52:30 <Leviathan> right ^ 22:57:55 *** TheBlasphemer [~fw@s5593f0f9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 23:01:20 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5702E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:03:23 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 23:05:18 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5702E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:58 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:12:56 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:19:18 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:29 <Leviathan> what happened here? 23:25:40 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm? 23:26:00 <Leviathan> http://jacob.jamroll.net/files/ttd02.jpg 23:26:08 <Leviathan> we both diped 23:26:19 <Leviathan> and went back up at same time 23:27:19 <Gonozal_VIII> you should know that? 23:27:49 <Leviathan> why would it happen to both of us 23:27:58 <Leviathan> i understand if it happens to one 23:28:02 <Leviathan> they were spending 23:28:38 <Leviathan> maybe it was just cuz it was after we had eaten dinner and were both eager to get building :) 23:29:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm do you have breakdowns enabled? and autorenew vehicles? 23:30:11 <Leviathan> no breakdowns 23:30:21 <Leviathan> but auto revew we set on both comps 23:30:22 <Gonozal_VIII> could be very old vehicles without resell value --> upgrade to new type 23:31:06 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm no... 23:31:23 <Gonozal_VIII> they keep their value after you buy them 23:32:21 <Gonozal_VIII> but you should really know where you spent lots of mony 23:32:25 <Leviathan> dam this floss 47 23:32:33 <Leviathan> when will we get a better engine 23:33:05 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know, i didn't play with default vehicles for years 23:33:08 <Leviathan> ya like i just it was prolly just us both spending money 23:33:17 <Leviathan> hehe 23:46:17 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-139-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:51:58 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-185-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:27 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen