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00:06:46 <Gonozal_VIII> why is the first byte of the sprite number in the action a after the second? took me a while to find out what's wrong with that hex 00:12:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80C82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 00:12:58 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:18:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80C82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:18:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:19:19 *** Svish [~opera@84-20-108-29.no.ventelo.net] has left #openttd [] 00:21:26 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-21-137.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:26:58 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:33 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-21-137.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:38:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 00:40:28 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-21-137.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:47 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-250-161.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 00:53:40 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:54:37 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-203-253.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:03 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D2C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:04 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:35 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-250-161.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:03:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:08:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C2D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:06 <kyevan> Hmm 01:21:06 <kyevan> I seem to be able to blow up openttdcoop's public server by attempting to demo a bouy 01:21:06 <Gonozal_VIII> :S 01:22:01 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of ships with it in its orders? 01:24:12 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485D2C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 01:24:14 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:00 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause3> you should really check your connection... 01:25:13 <Wolf01|AWAY> 'night 01:25:20 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host228-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:25:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:25:34 <Gonozal_VIII> my connection is ok, the other guy is downloading too much 01:26:30 <kyevan> Gonozal_VIII: No ships with it in their orders 01:26:42 <kyevan> It was only there as a marker for me during construction 01:26:55 *** Thraxian [~Thraxian@cpe-069-134-158-060.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 01:27:10 <Gonozal_VIII> unplugged his cable again... and it stays out until i sleep 01:27:36 <kyevan> It's running r11615, by the way 01:28:14 <Gonozal_VIII> and what exactly is "blow up"? 01:28:45 <kyevan> The server quits. 01:29:03 <Gonozal_VIII> that sucks 01:29:18 <kyevan> (At least, that's what the publicserver bot says) 01:31:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:52 <glx> if the server quits, then you should be able to reproduce in single player, and maybe in latest trunk :) 01:33:43 <Gonozal_VIII> i tried to blow up some bouys but that doesn't do anything except blowing it up... 01:35:51 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-21-137.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:21 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm public server is passworded and member server is not? 01:37:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77C0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:32 <kyevan> Gonozal_VIII: I dunno >_> 01:43:00 <kyevan> The password is available in #openttdcoop 01:43:03 <kyevan> type !password 01:43:52 <kyevan> Ah, OK 01:43:59 <kyevan> It's because there were canals next to the bouy 01:44:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm trying to reproduce it... 01:44:21 <Gonozal_VIII> canals next to the bouy? 01:44:43 <kyevan> Yeh, I was using it as a marker to do the canal trick, where you can get sea-level ground 01:45:31 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i know that trick 01:46:48 <kyevan> Assertion failed! Program ...\Desktop\OTTD-win-nightly\openttd.exe file /compile_farm/openttd/nightly/compile.../water_map.h Line:127 Expression o != OWNER_WATER <boilerplate text here> 01:46:59 <kyevan> I stripped out all the returns, of course 01:49:15 <Gonozal_VIII> canal and bouy built by the same player? 01:49:45 <kyevan> Yes 01:50:16 <kyevan> I can check to see what happens if they're owned by different people if you want (yay cheat menu!) 01:50:52 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:56 <Gonozal_VIII> ah, reproduced it 01:51:55 <kyevan> Same error when the canal is owned by player 1 and the bouy by 0 01:53:01 <Gonozal_VIII> easy to reproduce... canal... bouy directly next to it... blow up bouy... assertion 01:53:52 <kyevan> Funky, I somehow got it to play two copies of the music >_> 01:54:00 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't happen when the buoy tile is canal too 01:55:01 <kyevan> or when just the buoy tile is. 01:55:52 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... only with bouy on water, canal tile next to it 01:56:14 <Gonozal_VIII> and without any newgrf 01:56:18 <glx> reproduced 01:57:52 <Gonozal_VIII> r11660 too 01:57:53 <kyevan> Gotta love easily reproduced bugs. 01:58:03 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:40 <kyevan> Doesn't crash 0.5.3 01:58:57 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe i was just going to test that 01:59:20 <glx> kyevan: 0.5.3 doesn't have the bug 01:59:46 <glx> the buggy code is recent 02:00:04 <kyevan> Ah, you've figured out where it is, roughly? 02:00:40 <kyevan> Also, it only happens if they're next to eachother on the grid -- shared corners are OK. 02:00:40 <glx> yes I know where it is 02:00:55 <kyevan> Cool :) 02:01:18 <Gonozal_VIII> nice 02:02:04 <Gonozal_VIII> how did you do that so fast? 02:02:43 <glx> easy, using debug build and Dr. Mingw, I can get a backtrace when it asserts, or crashes 02:02:54 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 02:07:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7C876.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:08:09 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 02:09:22 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:09:49 <Sacro> rawr 02:10:01 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes 02:13:52 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7C876.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:02 *** Jezral [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:19 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:20 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:16:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:40 <Sacro> grr 02:18:15 <kyevan> I should really set up build tools and such on windows... 02:18:17 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46c2b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:31 <kyevan> (For a language other than Java, which I already have the stuff for installed >_> 02:19:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 02:20:31 <Gonozal_VIII> night 02:21:10 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N793P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [] 02:21:16 <Sacro> under windows i have err 02:21:18 <Sacro> C, C++, C# 02:21:21 <Sacro> VB 02:21:29 <kyevan> VB? 02:21:38 * kyevan splashes Sacro with holy water 02:21:49 <kyevan> DEVILS BEGONE! STOP TORTURING THIS SOUL! 02:21:52 <Sacro> :( 02:21:59 <Sacro> i installed all of VS2005 02:22:04 <kyevan> Oh 02:22:09 <kyevan> I /might/ forgive you then 02:22:14 <kyevan> As long as you don't use it. 02:23:19 <glx> I used VB, now I only do VBA ;) 02:23:58 <glx> and VBS sometimes 02:24:44 *** MDGrein [~MDGrein@c-e43472d5.02-56-736b7610.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 02:25:02 <Belugas> and Delphi too ;) 02:27:13 <Sacro> i've done VB and VBA 02:27:20 <Sacro> almost ended up doing VBA.Net at uni 02:27:27 <Sacro> so i fled to the C# classes and switched 02:37:58 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 02:38:44 <kyevan> VB.NET is trivial if you know C# 02:38:55 <Sacro> compiles to the same bytecode 02:38:58 <Sacro> night anyway 02:39:01 <kyevan> It's the same language, with less sane syntax. 02:39:14 <Sacro> lol 02:39:20 <kyevan> It's more like C# than VB6 :P 02:39:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11666 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp water.h water_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r11504): when removing buoys, return to water or canal depending on their owner 02:42:03 <glx> fixed :) 02:43:20 <glx> was a nice regression 02:49:35 <kyevan> What an evil bug fix ;) 03:00:02 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489FF78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:05:44 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-3-105-74.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 03:07:18 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489B6D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:12 *** titus [~titus@intter.net] has joined #openttd 03:08:34 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-0c-76-a6-d4-52.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 03:10:03 *** titus_ [~titus@intter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:29:03 <kyevan> Are there any plans for fancy scripted scenarios, with goals and events and such? 03:30:37 <kyevan> (Idealy, with any scripting done in Squirrel 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08:34:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:44 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:48:16 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:58 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:56:37 <dihedral> you guys are aware of the fact that the chat window does not state if the chat is going to [All] or [Team] or [Private] 08:56:46 <dihedral> ? 09:06:47 *** dihedral [~dihedral@141.72.197.130] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 09:12:47 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:10 *** dihedral [~dihedral@141.72.197.130] has joined #openttd 09:14:11 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:19:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:20:05 *** 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*** dihedral [~dihedral@141.72.197.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:40 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:04 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has joined #openttd 11:42:15 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:43:33 <SmatZ> hello 11:44:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:09 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:57:13 *** dihedral [~dihedral@141.72.197.130] has joined #openttd 12:00:34 <Gonozal_VIII> ahoi 12:12:18 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:12:18 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:25 <roboboy> hello 12:12:53 <roboboy> is there a way I can turn wagon speed limits off in a current mp game? 12:12:58 <roboboy> I am the server admin 12:13:54 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:13:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> roboboy: wagon speed limit should not be changed during a game 12:14:10 <roboboy> ok 12:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is a sure way to desync 12:14:33 <roboboy> but can it be turned off in SP and reloaded 12:14:46 <roboboy> its a coop game 12:14:51 <dihedral> why do you want to turn it off? 12:14:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> can still have nasty sideeffects, especially if newgrfs are involved 12:15:03 <roboboy> we are not playing for realism 12:15:11 <roboboy> ok 12:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> e.g. the dbsetxl loads different wagon sets depending on wagonspeedlimit setting 12:15:54 <roboboy> I dont think the UKRS does 12:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, i would not recommend it 12:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can try... 12:20:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:22:33 <roboboy> ok 12:30:08 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 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[~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:25 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-228-019.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:58 <Digitalfox> So much silence :( 16:20:33 * Gonozal_VIII stares at the silence 16:20:39 <Hendikins> Silence is golden, but my eyes still see... 16:20:43 <Digitalfox> yeah 16:21:03 <Gonozal_VIII> the silence stares back! 16:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a lie, silence is green 16:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> silence green is people (err...) 16:22:12 <Digitalfox> It's almost Christmas... Still don't know what present to give to my girlfriend :( 16:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> flowers and jewelry 16:22:51 <Digitalfox> Why is that women presents are hard to choice? 16:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's trivially easy 16:23:21 <Digitalfox> that was what i give her last Christmas 16:23:29 <Digitalfox> I'm out of ideas 16:23:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> so what? more flowers, more expensive jewelry 16:24:00 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2: But but but... Yeahi guess you're right ... 16:24:04 <Gonozal_VIII> they never have enough green or shiny stuff 16:24:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> try to not make the growth exponential ;) 16:24:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 16:24:40 <Digitalfox> lol 16:25:46 <Digitalfox> I know I'll give her a new laptop :) Oh wait i won't than she will have more reasons to be online in MSN and talking to me :( 16:26:04 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:26:16 <glx> lol 16:26:39 <Gonozal_VIII> give her a laptop that can't do anything else 16:27:43 <Digitalfox> There is a laptop that doesn't support MSN?? Oh you mean using Linux right? 16:27:53 <Digitalfox> Not a bad idea 16:28:32 <glx> linux has msn (amsn) 16:28:44 <Gonozal_VIII> ah you mean it's a bad thing when she talks to you over msn? 16:28:45 <Gonozal_VIII> gaim 16:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> then you are surely going to not spend another christmas with her :p 16:28:51 <Digitalfox> damn, you killed my present glx 16:29:15 <SmatZ> don't give her anything and break with her instead :-p 16:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> (but for all i know, that could be your intention) 16:29:43 <Digitalfox> Gonozal_VIII: Well she is very controller, she wants to know every step i give.. :( 16:30:11 <glx> are you sure she's not here? 16:30:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:30:28 <Gonozal_VIII> ... i know that kind 16:30:43 <Digitalfox> Let's say i can't say I'm ugly, so when we go out there's always other girls messing with me and she explodes every time with a discussion 16:31:35 <Digitalfox> Also she is a PR so i go to a lot of presentations and partys, and there's always many women alone o-O 16:31:40 <Digitalfox> o_O 16:32:07 <Gonozal_VIII> a relationship can't work without trust 16:32:35 <Digitalfox> I know, i tell her that every week :( 16:32:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> if a man stops looking at a beautiful woman passing by, he is dead 16:33:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> (that's a quote i heard on the radio a few weeks ago about relationship between men and women) 16:33:24 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2: Absolutely right.. But she tells me " You want me to start looking to other men ? " 16:33:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host228-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 16:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> (it was even said by a woman) 16:33:44 <Gonozal_VIII> they do that anyways 16:34:05 <Wolf01> hello 16:34:09 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 16:34:14 <Digitalfox> hello Wolf 16:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: you answer: Who do you think about while we are [...] 16:36:54 <Digitalfox> My question is why do women always think that if we look to a beautiful women, that means she ( Wife or girlfriend ) is not so pretty?? My girlfriend is beautiful but still I'm always looking to other beautiful women, i can't stop that o_O 16:37:12 <Digitalfox> It's like it's in my blood 16:37:30 <Gonozal_VIII> everybody does that, even the women 16:37:45 <Digitalfox> And i explain that to her, but she always says " You want me to start looking to other men ? " 16:37:53 <Digitalfox> But i'll try to say what Eddi|zuHause2 told 16:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> that radio show was about a book that has been published "men ask, women answer", and the matching reverse book 16:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was about exactly those kind of discussions 16:38:43 <Gonozal_VIII> it's tricky when women ask something... 16:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> men have to look after _every_ beatiful women passing by 16:39:00 <Gonozal_VIII> always think around 10 corners before you answer 16:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> women have to think about other men in bed 16:39:45 <Digitalfox> Eddi|zuHause2: "women have to think about other men in bed" I surely hope it's not my case, it would be bad for my ego lol 16:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> it also contained other typical questions, like "why do women never go alone to the toilet" 16:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: yeah, same way as it is bad for her ego that you look after other women 16:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have to consider that, before answering ;) 16:41:20 <Digitalfox> no no no, there's no problem if she looks to another men, i do the same with another women.. What can't happen is having thought about what we are looking at.. 16:41:29 <Digitalfox> *thoughts 16:41:43 <Digitalfox> Well she can't, but i well... 16:42:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, the problem is, that is not the issue 16:43:33 <Digitalfox> Anyway, my biggest problem is she doesn't accept i can find other women beautiful, it's like i'm cheating on her.. 16:44:17 <Digitalfox> So after 2 years of relationship we still discuss a lot about it 16:45:56 <Digitalfox> I'll tell you this, if we were to broke up, i'll would be 1 year of peace and quiet without any other girlfriend, just a *special women friendship* 16:47:05 *** Mattrat [Mattrat@1Cust5355.an7.chi30.da.uu.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:05 <Sacro> hmm 16:51:43 <Digitalfox> Want to tells us your experience with women Sacro? 16:52:23 <Sacro> oh you don't want to know 16:52:39 <Digitalfox> It's that bad? 16:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> one girl he was with got committed into a mental hospital a week later ;) 16:53:23 <Digitalfox> oh yeah i remember some months ago that conversation 16:53:48 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: that was after she stole £220 out my account and then tried to commit suicide 16:54:20 <Digitalfox> damn Sacro that's bad luck.. 16:54:40 <Digitalfox> And since then no new women in your life? 16:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> that was several years ago, i do hope he had some :p 16:56:06 <Sacro> nope 16:56:10 <Digitalfox> He's not replying so maybe not.. 16:56:22 <Sacro> my first girlfriend dumped me over 7 years ago 16:56:27 <Sacro> she just got engaged# 16:57:02 <Digitalfox> She was 7 years alone? 16:57:09 *** Mattrat [Mattrat@1Cust5355.an7.chi30.da.uu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> she was 7 back then :p 16:57:56 <Sacro> errr... no 16:57:57 <Gonozal_VIII> makes sense 16:57:59 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:58:44 <Digitalfox> lol 16:59:06 <Digitalfox> What a big laugh i just had :) 17:00:16 <Sacro> right, leving work now 17:00:18 <Sacro> back later 17:01:11 <Hendikins> I left work 2 hours early because my duty manager was a prick 17:04:15 <Hendikins> I signed off duty "unwell", in order to leave him unable to do anything about it. 17:05:47 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:48 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:08:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:14:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:19 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:43 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:22 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 17:26:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:54:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D2C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:51 <fjb> Moin 17:55:33 <Prof_Frink> 'ning 17:56:35 *** ColDICe [ColDICe@86.107.64.112] has quit [] 17:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> ...gitis 17:59:27 *** spaceinvader [~server@host86-145-11-42.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 18:00:43 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:04:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:12:58 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:19 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:17:19 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-138-167.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 18:27:13 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:57 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:18 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:42 *** egladil [~egladil@81-236-0-99-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:07 *** BigBB_ [~BigBB@p5B0425AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB_] 18:35:14 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0425AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:43 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:39:34 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-114-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-138-167.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:14 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-129-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:15 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-114-010.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:57 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-106-52-44.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:58 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:11 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-105-203-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:52:16 <Draakon> hi guys 18:53:08 <SmatZ> hi Draakon 18:54:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:55:06 <Draakon> is it possibile to use BuildOTTD somehow compile a patched trunk without using patch file? 18:55:17 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-3-105-74.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:55:17 *** Sogard^ is now known as Sogard 18:56:17 <Rubidium> Draakon: yes and no 18:56:22 <glx> not directly as buildottd always use a clean trunk and a patch 18:56:37 <Rubidium> you can't use BuildOTTD, but you can use the compiler and stuff that gets delivered with BuildOTTD 18:56:50 <glx> but with buildottd you have all needed tools to do it without buildottd :) 18:57:16 <Draakon> k 19:00:01 <Gonozal_VIII> bah, that other guy on my router has been downloading at full speed for two days now... irc, msn and icq keep disconnecting 19:00:30 <Rubidium> slap him or your provider 19:00:39 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:01 <Draakon> you own the router? disconnect him 19:01:11 <Gonozal_VIII> 50gb traffic... 19:01:28 <glx> learn him to limit bandwidth usage 19:01:50 <Gonozal_VIII> i'll try blocking port 1-65534 19:01:51 <glx> mainly uploading 19:02:39 <Draakon> hmm wiki contains info for Msys commands? 19:03:58 <Draakon> oh i got mingw instead :P 19:04:25 <Draakon> but still can i use BuildOTTD mingw to stat compiling right away or i must do those configure stuffs first? 19:04:47 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm upload... yes i noticed that everything stops working when there's too much upload 19:05:26 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: We went over this yesterday 19:06:22 <Draakon> hello? 19:07:22 <kyevan> Intercontinental airports need more helipads >_> 19:07:36 <Draakon> wait till NewGRF_Ports get done 19:07:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:07:43 <Draakon> then you can add them by GRFS 19:07:52 <Draakon> or modifi old airports 19:08:08 <Draakon> or is it done already? 19:11:31 <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp: In function `void CopyArea(TileIndex, TileIndex, bool, bool, bool)': 19:11:33 <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:845: error: `GetTunnelTransportType' undeclared (first use this function) 19:11:34 <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:845: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.) 19:11:36 <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:849: error: `GetTunnelDirection' undeclared (first use this function) 19:11:38 <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:943: error: `GetBridgeTransportType' undeclared (first use this function) 19:11:39 <Draakon> C:/BuildOTTD/msys/home/trunk/src/copy_paste.cpp:948: error: `GetBridgeRampDirection' undeclared (first use this function) 19:11:41 <Draakon> make[1]: *** [copy_paste.o] Error 1 19:11:42 <Draakon> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/trunk/objs/release' 19:11:44 <Draakon> make: *** [all] Error 2 19:11:45 <Draakon> why do i have this error? 19:11:58 <hylje> forgot to import a .h 19:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> Draakon: next time, paste.openttd.org for anything over 2 lines 19:12:14 <Rubidium> Draakon: because the patch is outdated? 19:12:14 <SmatZ> Draakon: paste.openttd.org is your friend 19:12:23 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-169-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:27 <Draakon> dint know that 19:12:36 <Draakon> Rubidium: erm i dont think so 19:12:43 <dihedral> hey ho 19:12:46 <Rubidium> Draakon: why? 19:12:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> Draakon: most likely, your copy_paste patch is outdated 19:13:06 <Draakon> lemme get the revisions first k? 19:13:06 <SmatZ> Draakon: it is, GetTunnelTransportType has been removed like 5 days ago 19:13:13 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N904P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:57 <Draakon> copy_paste_rev11642 and Trunk rev 11666 19:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> Draakon: always get the exact same revision as the patch sais 19:14:23 <Rubidium> Draakon: as I said... the patch is outdated 19:14:28 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-164.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:32 <Draakon> hmm k will try another compiling then 19:14:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> a lot can happen in 24 revisions 19:15:10 <Draakon> i will try rev 11642 19:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> who was the developer of copy/paste? Frostregen? 19:15:49 <dihedral> yep 19:16:16 *** Thraxian [~Thraxian@cpe-069-134-158-060.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:57 <Draakon> i just like Copy%paste :P 19:17:09 <Draakon> it saves me building some already done junctions in SP 19:17:19 *** Thraxian [~Thraxian@cpe-069-134-158-060.nc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 19:17:21 <Draakon> btw is it client side only? 19:17:24 <dihedral> just dont use it in openttdcoop :-) 19:17:48 <dihedral> Draakon: kinda 19:18:08 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N869P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:18:18 <Draakon> what you mean by that? 19:18:22 <dihedral> as much as clients need to worry about it - yes 19:19:14 <Draakon> i hope this time compiling is a succsess 19:20:11 <dihedral> that is something one mostly finds out at the end :-D 19:21:15 <Draakon> :S dam files locked, good thing i have Unlocker Ã:p 19:21:17 <Draakon> :P* 19:24:17 <dihedral> are you german? 19:24:32 <dihedral> no 19:24:34 <dihedral> nvm 19:24:43 <Gonozal_VIII> don't insult random people 19:24:46 <Gonozal_VIII> :P 19:24:48 <dihedral> LOL 19:25:05 <dihedral> Draakon: Gonozal_VIII called you random :-P 19:25:26 <Draakon> lol 19:25:35 <Draakon> who cares anyway? 19:25:46 <dihedral> nobody 19:25:56 <dihedral> but dont be depressed by that :-P 19:26:24 <Draakon> did i say i am? 19:27:29 <Draakon> what happens if i terminate a compiler while it is in the middle of compiling 19:27:31 <Draakon> ? 19:28:00 <pavel1269> nothing 19:28:00 <pavel1269> :) 19:28:29 <pavel1269> or ... never happend to me anything 19:30:05 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-105-203-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 19:33:08 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N869P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:22 <Barry> Goodevening 19:35:56 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N851P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:35:57 <Barry> I'm looking for a site where I can download scenarios. Does anybody know a good site for that? 19:36:28 <Rubidium> the forum? 19:36:44 <Rubidium> not very easy to find them, but that's the place with the most scenarios 19:37:41 <Gonozal_VIII> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Player_Made_Scenarios 19:37:52 <Barry> I checked the forum but I only find some articles but no scenarios 19:38:08 <Gonozal_VIII> then you didn't look good enough 19:38:23 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:38:39 <Gonozal_VIII> that was kind of wrong english? 19:38:46 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe... 19:39:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-147-136.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:39:51 <Gonozal_VIII> btw my connection is all better now :-) 19:39:52 <Barry> I search on the keywords scenario and download 19:40:15 <Barry> thx for the link 19:40:15 <ln-> http://ircimg.org/img/15762.gif 19:41:20 <hylje> :p 19:41:53 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@host28-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:41:54 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest736 19:41:54 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:42:10 *** Guest736 [~wolf01@host228-237-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11667 /trunk/src/ (67 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: split window.h into a header that defines some 'global' window related types, on that defined 'global' window functions and one that defines functions and types only used by *_gui.cpps. 19:52:48 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB5C49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^Kendo] 19:55:54 *** TheBlasphemer [~fw@s5593f0f9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:41 <TheBlasphemer> What to do if I've got a game running on my dedicated server that's throwing everyone out of the game with desync errors after approximately 30 secs of playing ? 19:56:49 <TheBlasphemer> Should I report it to someone? send the savegame to someone ? 19:57:06 <Rubidium> what version? 19:57:16 <TheBlasphemer> 0.6.0 beta2 19:57:59 <Rubidium> how do you get into the state that it desyncs from a 'cold' start? 19:58:20 <TheBlasphemer> load the savegame :P? 19:59:01 <TheBlasphemer> Don't suppose there's a way to have a kind of stack-trace-log for each random-number call to compare, is there ;)? 19:59:20 <Rubidium> there is 19:59:38 <TheBlasphemer> ooooooh, do tell me :) 19:59:44 <TheBlasphemer> I would love to get my hands dirty (6) 19:59:46 <TheBlasphemer> err 19:59:47 <TheBlasphemer> >:] 20:00:17 <Rubidium> for 'trunk' it is ./enable-desync-debug=2 (but that wasn't in 0.6.0-beta2) 20:00:44 <Rubidium> for 0.6.0-beta2: src/core/random_func.hpp:18 20:01:24 <TheBlasphemer> So gotta recompile :P? 20:01:26 <TheBlasphemer> bugger ;) 20:01:40 <Rubidium> yes 20:02:03 <TheBlasphemer> You want to have a look too :)? (You'd probably be faster :/) 20:02:05 <Rubidium> because it kinda slows down the game quite a lot when you make it runtime configurable 20:02:22 <TheBlasphemer> depends how you do it, I suppose :P 20:02:25 <Rubidium> I'm most likely not faster at this moment 20:02:33 <TheBlasphemer> k, will give it a shot :) 20:03:12 <Rubidium> but you can reproduce it easily by loading a savegame? 20:03:36 <TheBlasphemer> Let me just do another cold boot and try for you :) 20:05:16 <TheBlasphemer> :/ 20:05:43 <TheBlasphemer> I've done this several times, and all times it desynched almost instantly, and this one time I am about to actually go and find where that bug is, it refuses :S 20:06:02 <pavel1269> :) 20:06:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:06:23 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N851P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:03 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N851P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 20:08:53 <glx> TheBlasphemer: we hate that too 20:09:44 * Rubidium slaps Heisenberg 20:10:09 <TheBlasphemer> How much of an extra load would it be on my server if I recompiled with the stack-trace option just in case it happens again? 20:10:36 <glx> it autosaves each month 20:10:48 <Rubidium> glx: wrong... 20:11:00 <Rubidium> it will dump each random number 20:11:15 <Rubidium> and it will only be usefull if the first client desyncs 20:11:37 <Rubidium> and it will generate a hell of a lot of log to the console 20:11:45 <Rubidium> 1 MB-ish per second 20:11:59 <TheBlasphemer> hmmmz :P 20:12:02 <TheBlasphemer> ok, that's a bit too much :/ 20:12:11 <glx> that's usually a big slowdown :) 20:12:44 <TheBlasphemer> Normally I probably would've done it (it auto-pauses when no clients anyway) 20:13:19 <TheBlasphemer> But it's mainly a webserver, and it has enough trouble doing that alone at certain times ;) 20:14:07 *** Barry [~chatzilla@bg1078138.hum.uva.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 20:23:26 <kyevan> hmm 20:23:31 <kyevan> Let's think 20:23:47 <kyevan> Mingw+msys, sdl, libpng, etc... an svn client... 20:24:06 <kyevan> anything else I'm forgetting to set up a workable windows build environment? 20:24:23 <Rubidium> time 20:24:24 <Prof_Frink> a linux livecd? 20:24:28 <Rubidium> effort 20:24:32 <Rubidium> blood 20:24:33 <kyevan> Prof_Frink: Har har har 20:24:34 <Rubidium> sweat 20:24:36 <Rubidium> tears 20:24:50 <kyevan> If I was going to build on linux, I'd just reboot and select debian at the boot screen :P 20:26:05 <kyevan> Rubidium: I don't have much of my own blood left after fixing sid so many times... I'm getting all pasty white. Can I use pigs blood, or something? 20:26:31 * Rubidium wonders what's wrong with sid 20:26:39 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: He breaks your toys 20:27:00 <Rubidium> I've had one (major) problem in two and a half years of daily updates/upgrades 20:27:52 <kyevan> Rubidium: Well, most (all) of the problems have been My Own Damn Fault. 20:28:28 <kyevan> Though there was the one time aptitude was convinced the right course of action was to remove gcc >_> 20:28:40 <glx> kyevan: sdl is not needed 20:29:07 <Prof_Frink> Woo, new kde4 packages 20:29:43 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-208-94.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:31:23 <Gonozal_VIII> Those who know the least will always know it the loudest. <-- just found that... true, true 20:32:08 <TheBlasphemer> <kyevan> anything else I'm forgetting to set up a workable windows build environment? 20:32:16 <TheBlasphemer> Microsoft Visual Studio 2003/2005/2008 :)? 20:33:18 <Rubidium> nah... that required .NET 20:33:23 <Rubidium> requires 20:33:36 <glx> and it's not needed for mingw/msys 20:33:55 <Rubidium> .NET sucks for one reason 20:33:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-147-136.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:57 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:34:32 <pavel1269> and reason is? 20:35:02 <Rubidium> when Windows Update messes up your .NET install there is no way to properly deinstall .NET (except format) 20:35:05 <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: I hate .NET as much as Macintosh, but Visual Studio is great :/ 20:35:26 <TheBlasphemer> And besides, what's wrong with having the runtimes on your system :/? 20:35:29 <Rubidium> and a messed up .NET install means Visual Studio doesn't want to do anything either 20:35:51 <glx> TheBlasphemer: then you don't use express versions 20:36:00 <glx> ie 1 IDE for each language 20:36:06 <Prof_Frink> Yay, stable 20:36:10 <TheBlasphemer> Ofcourse I don't use the express versions ;) 20:36:18 <Prof_Frink> 12 updates since I last could be bothered 20:36:39 <TheBlasphemer> I won a legit copy of VS2005 with a MS contest a while ago, and I've got loads of places to get VS2008 (although I must admit those are less-legal than the former ;)) 20:39:19 * Rubidium has to work with VS2005 stuff and is happy he doesn't need to use it at home. 20:41:57 <TheBlasphemer> :/ 20:42:06 <TheBlasphemer> What do you use it for at work then ? 20:42:43 <TheBlasphemer> I could agree on the fact that all the .NET based languages, and shit like MFC are the devils' own, 20:42:46 <Rubidium> webdevelopment stuff, SQL aggregrate functions and some stand alone applications 20:42:48 <TheBlasphemer> but VC++ is godlike :) 20:45:44 <Rubidium> ASP(.NET) just plainly sucks due to utter stallness 20:46:07 <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: Well, why don't you mail me a bunch of cash so I can buy VS2008, then? 20:46:20 <TheBlasphemer> Agreed, but ASP(.NET) is a language, the fact that ASP.NET sucks doesn't make VS2005 a crappy product ;) 20:46:24 <kyevan> Besides, I'm actually used to the gnu toolchain. Even make, which is, ick >_> 20:46:31 <TheBlasphemer> heh :P 20:46:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11668 /trunk/src/ (47 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: more refactoring aimed at reducing compile time and making it more logic where function definitions can be found. 20:46:40 <TheBlasphemer> Hint: make friends at Microsoft 20:46:48 <TheBlasphemer> Vista Ultimate is like 30 euros for employees :) 20:46:50 <Rubidium> TheBlasphemer: please not... 20:47:05 <Gonozal_VIII> bah vista 20:47:24 <TheBlasphemer> ah bah, seems like I've dropped into a pile of microsoft hate today :P 20:47:27 <Rubidium> "no, our products are a lot safer" 20:47:37 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:47:38 <TheBlasphemer> I'm not saying Microsoft is perfect 20:47:41 <TheBlasphemer> far from it actually 20:47:53 <Rubidium> just forget to mention that you "fix" more than 1 bug in a bugfix, but only mention one of those 20:48:05 <TheBlasphemer> but VS2005 is pretty decent, and I haven't found a good alternative for it yet... 20:48:08 <Rubidium> or fix gazillions of bugs in a service pack and not mention any of them 20:48:23 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:25 <TheBlasphemer> And Vista is pretty darn spiffy too, and it has some pretty good changes in the back-end too, not only in the front end.... 20:48:41 <Gonozal_VIII> the only reason i'm using windows is compatibility with almost every hardware/software... vista doesn't even have that 20:48:51 <TheBlasphemer> Did you hear me say that MS products didn't have bugs :P? Did you ever hear me mention IE in this conversation ;)? 20:49:29 <TheBlasphemer> Gonozal_VIII: Most software will run (more than on wine, probably), and as for hardware compatiblity: you can't blame MS for that... 20:50:00 <TheBlasphemer> I'm not entirely satisfied with the current driver situation, with all vendors refusing to write proper ones 20:50:16 <TheBlasphemer> But at least the driver architecture got a much needed overhaul :/ 20:51:26 <Rubidium> the linux driver subsystem gets architecture changes all the time, not once every 10-or-so-years when they decided that it is so utterly crappy that the support people can't support it anymore 20:51:50 <Rubidium> hmm... and talking about their documentation... 20:52:04 <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: Can't blame MS for making backwards compatibility a high priority :/ 20:52:28 <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: Point me to something that you think is missing in their documentation... 20:52:35 <Rubidium> you can easily find how to secure Windows NT 4.0 in the VS2005 help, but how to write secure stuff for something more recent than 2000 is hard to find. 20:52:43 <TheBlasphemer> I've never had any complaints about MSDN or the Platform SDK 20:53:03 <kyevan> Rubidium: Really? 20:53:05 <kyevan> It's easy 20:53:16 <kyevan> Find knife 20:53:24 <kyevan> Find ethernet to windows box in question 20:53:28 <kyevan> Cut cable 20:53:29 <TheBlasphemer> heh :P 20:53:36 <Rubidium> kyevan: but that isn't in the manual, see my point? 20:53:55 <Prof_Frink> kyevan: It's even easier than that 20:53:58 <TheBlasphemer> Most things that apply for Windows NT 4 still apply for Windows 2000, XP, and Vista 20:54:07 <kyevan> I suppose you COULD just unplug it 20:54:08 <Prof_Frink> Once you realise that you have to press 'start' to stop 20:54:27 <TheBlasphemer> Oh come on guys, cut it with the bullshit already :P 20:54:37 <TheBlasphemer> I can perfectly understand that you don't like MS 20:54:56 <TheBlasphemer> just don't go about bashing it like that, especially not with arguments you can't even back up... 20:55:08 <TheBlasphemer> That makes you no better than all those MS fanboys out there bashing *nix 20:55:22 <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: Oh, come off it. 20:55:27 <kyevan> I'm just haveing fun :) 20:55:30 <Rubidium> personal experience is kinda hard to back up 20:55:55 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:55:59 <kyevan> You'll note that the current OS I'm on is XP >_> 20:56:05 <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: So if my gf doesn't ever want to touch a *nix box because she thinks the command line is eery is a valid argument to say that Linux is crap ? 20:56:30 <Rubidium> no, because she has no experience with it 20:56:41 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm using xp... tried vista and half of my stuff stopped working... yay vista? 20:56:50 <TheBlasphemer> She has, she's been developing web apps on *nix for quite some time now... 20:56:51 <glx> and now you can do a lot without using command line in linux 20:56:58 <Rubidium> and experience is not two minutes, it's a few months of using it 30+ hours a week 20:57:02 <kyevan> (Although if queried my client you'd see it's irssi running on a linode >_>) 20:57:40 <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: to get back on the original argument, it's fine if you don't like ASP.NET, it's fine if VS2005 is not your personal preference 20:57:49 <TheBlasphemer> just don't go about telling me VS2005 is crap because .NET is :/ 20:58:17 <Sacro> morning 20:58:25 <Rubidium> oh... did I tell about VS2005 projects that can't be opened in VS2005? 20:58:57 <Rubidium> had that problem yesterday 20:59:10 <Rubidium> you would've hoped that that would work 21:00:37 <TheBlasphemer> Well, I'm not sure what the exact situation was, but it might be that someone else on the network has locked the file or something :/ 21:01:37 <Rubidium> nope.. just copying it from one PC to the other and not being able to open the project file 21:02:27 <TheBlasphemer> Don't suppose VS2005SP1 was on one of the boxes and VS2005SP0 on the other or something like that ? 21:02:30 <glx> corruption durig transfert? 21:03:04 <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: That shouldn't matter. 21:03:12 <Rubidium> kyevan: it actually does 21:03:14 <kyevan> If you break compatability, give it a new number. 21:03:23 <kyevan> Rubidium: Yes, it might, but it SHOULDN'T. 21:03:26 <Rubidium> and 'installing' a SP isn't simple either 21:04:12 <TheBlasphemer> Ok, let's just rephrase this in a way that you can't possibly disagree with: 21:04:20 <TheBlasphemer> I like VS2005 and it's perfect for all my needs :P 21:04:31 <Rubidium> -> download SP1 -> run -> he... why doesn't it continue with the upgrade? 21:04:43 *** SmatZ_ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:04:45 <Gonozal_VIII> no it's not! :D 21:04:58 <Rubidium> *waiting for 15 minutes* still the installer has not started (it has extracted though) 21:05:17 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:40 <Rubidium> it required a reboot before it could actually install the SP, but not giving any notice about it not being able to start would've been the least they could've done 21:05:42 <kyevan> TheBlasphemer: Great! 21:05:58 <kyevan> Then use it, but don't tell others to do so >_> 21:06:18 <TheBlasphemer> You asked me what you would need for a windows build machine! :P 21:06:44 <Rubidium> making Windows binaries... something I just do under Linux ;) 21:06:54 <TheBlasphemer> ugh, shame on you :P 21:06:55 <Rubidium> ask Belugas about that ;) 21:07:17 <Rubidium> he was quite happy when I made Windows binaries for his patches using a website 21:07:32 <TheBlasphemer> OMG, Firefox 3 BEta 2 is nice :) 21:07:43 <TheBlasphemer> It broke Mozilla Personas, but I've already spotted some nice new additions :D 21:07:56 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf ff 3? 21:08:12 <Gonozal_VIII> 2 is still brandnew... 21:08:24 <TheBlasphemer> 2 is a memory hog :/ 21:08:37 <Gonozal_VIII> but it's new 21:08:40 <TheBlasphemer> So ? 21:08:55 <Gonozal_VIII> what happened to 2.1? 21:09:01 <TheBlasphemer> Ask mozilla :P 21:09:19 <Digitalfox> Well it never happened to me, firefox using more than 150MB of RAM, and yes i use lot's of extensions 21:09:41 <Digitalfox> And with 1 GB of RAM in all my machines doesn't look a lot 21:10:19 <Gonozal_VIII> i had that with ff 1 sometimes but that could be disabled 21:10:28 <Digitalfox> It seems the problem is after having firefox opened with many tabs after some hours it starts eating memory 21:10:48 <Digitalfox> But i nver had 500MB of RAM used like some guys say 21:10:57 <Gonozal_VIII> there was some well hidden setting to disable that 21:11:21 <Digitalfox> It's about the cache used 21:11:39 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... 21:11:42 <Digitalfox> The advantage is that when you click" back" the page is still in memory 21:11:59 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes it used 300+mb of my 512... 21:12:01 <TheBlasphemer> DigitalFox: I've actually had that several times, FF using +-700mb :/ 21:12:05 * Rubidium wonders why people always think using much memory is always bad for an application 21:12:31 <Gonozal_VIII> it is when it uses so much that everything gets slow 21:12:34 <Rubidium> I really do not care when FF uses 900 MB, but only when it would free memory as soon as another application needs it 21:12:46 <TheBlasphemer> Rubidium: the fact that it uses 700mb of pagefile doesn't bother me, it's the fact that I can actually feel it getting slower with the hour 21:12:46 <Digitalfox> Well Rubidium i don't mind apllications using all my memory.. Hey i paid it to be used not unused 21:13:16 <TheBlasphemer> Opening a new tab used to take a full 3 seconds if I've had it open for some houts 21:13:17 <TheBlasphemer> rs 21:13:45 <TheBlasphemer> I've been this --> <-- close to switching to IE7 because it didn't feel that slow :/ 21:13:53 <Digitalfox> It's like Vista, people complain that with 2 GB of RAM it caches it all ( uses it all ) to make aplications load faster, well i don't mind using all the memory.. 21:14:00 <Gonozal_VIII> not only ff itself got slow, every click took some seconds then... 21:14:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:00 <TheBlasphemer> Gonozal_VIII: If you have those problems too, I highly recommend getting firefox 3 beta2, it's honestly a breath of fresh air :) 21:15:27 <Gonozal_VIII> no those problems stopped long ago 21:15:36 <TheBlasphemer> They did? 21:15:38 <TheBlasphemer> How ? 21:16:01 <TheBlasphemer> My gf still runs ff2, regularly updated, and she's still complaining about it :/ 21:16:09 <Gonozal_VIII> as i said there was a well hidden setting 21:16:29 <Gonozal_VIII> google told me about it :-) 21:17:32 <TheBlasphemer> ;) 21:17:50 <Gonozal_VIII> no problems since then and i often have 120+ tabs open 21:18:04 <TheBlasphemer> :) 21:18:15 <TheBlasphemer> Btw, any of you got any experience with DVD-burners ? 21:18:38 <TheBlasphemer> I've recently bought a shiny new black case, and the fact that my DVD burner is white keeps bothering me :/ 21:18:49 <Sacro> TheBlasphemer: get a black bezel 21:18:56 <TheBlasphemer> Sacro: where? how? 21:18:57 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: do you really need 120 tabs? 21:19:03 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i do 21:19:06 <TheBlasphemer> Sacro: I've looked for them, but couldn't find em 21:19:16 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/ <-- comics^^ 21:19:26 <Sacro> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Black-Plextor-CD-DVD-Drive-front-bezel-brand-New_W0QQitemZ220184736510QQihZ012QQcategoryZ3754QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 21:19:38 <Gonozal_VIII> (don't click the "alle" button or you'll get 120 tabs too) 21:19:50 <Gonozal_VIII> if js is enabled... 21:20:02 <TheBlasphemer> Having it shipped here and all would probably cost me about ~E20, for that money I'd rather sell my old one and buy a new one :P 21:20:23 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:22:29 <Gonozal_VIII> paint it black 21:23:59 <Gonozal_VIII> or roll some stones over it :-) 21:27:31 <Gonozal_VIII> black water proof marker should do the trick 21:40:14 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB5C49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:40:52 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:43:34 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E6B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:44:59 <pavel1269> gn 21:46:58 <Gonozal_VIII> night 21:47:20 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:47:55 <Gonozal_VIII> diagonal roads are harder than i thought 21:49:00 <Sacro> so's Bjarni 21:49:46 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 21:50:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but the roads are ok, the rails are wrong, they shouldn't be in the middle of the tiles 21:51:56 <Gonozal_VIII> two parallel rails should fit into one tile... 21:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> make it ;) 21:54:06 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-138-167.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:56:06 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:05:27 <ln-> where is the one and only ...? 22:05:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:26 <Prof_Frink> Over here. 22:09:30 <ln-> doesn't seem like you. 22:10:06 <Gonozal_VIII> building a new robot 22:10:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:38 <Gonozal_VIII> with a laser... and a railgun! 22:11:13 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:12:38 <Prof_Frink> laser *and* railgun? 22:13:00 <Prof_Frink> I like that thinking. 22:13:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you can never have too much weapons on a robot 22:14:08 <Prof_Frink> Railgun, machine guns, missile pod, at-shells from the knees, free electon laser and big stompy feet. 22:14:22 <TallOak> And an Electron Ram. 22:15:15 <Prof_Frink> Don't remember Rex having a one of them 22:15:42 <Gonozal_VIII> what does an electron ram do? 22:15:51 <Prof_Frink> Bah, I took *way* too long to identify the source of the Electron Ram. 22:16:09 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: "Takes out this wall, no problem!" 22:16:36 <Prof_Frink> What a depressingly stupid machine. 22:17:02 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:39 <Gonozal_VIII> now we scared him away 22:17:53 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:25:09 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:18 *** divo [~asd@87.52.36.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:34 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:27:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:10 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:52 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-088-064-169-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 22:37:22 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D7F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:43 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:20 <kyevan> Wow, I'm less than 100k in the hole. 22:42:24 <kyevan> This is... a new experience for me. 22:42:57 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 22:43:27 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5E7A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:31 <kyevan> Of course, I don't know what to do now. So I took out a loan and bought a new train :) 22:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean you never managed to repay your debt? 22:44:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> how long have you been playing this game? 22:45:24 <kyevan> Not very long 22:45:37 <kyevan> And I usually play for 10-20 minutes, toss the game, and get back to work, so :P 22:46:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81116.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 22:46:38 <Gonozal_VIII> you know that you can save/load games?^^ 22:48:20 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-200-248.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:51:25 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:55 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:57:37 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:39 <kyevan> Yeh, but too lazy :P 23:07:04 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:08:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> you know, there are even autosaves :p 23:09:23 <TheBlasphemer> kyevan: How do you do that? 23:09:31 <TheBlasphemer> kyevan: I usually intend to play for two hours or so 23:09:39 <TheBlasphemer> kyevan: and then end up playing all night long :/ 23:09:58 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 23:10:23 *** TheBlasphemer [~fw@s5593f0f9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 23:10:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess he has to because openttd doesn't have a "boss-key" ;-) 23:11:01 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:11 <kyevan> Mom-key, really :P 23:11:25 <MDGrein> but theres "window hiders" that works with everything 23:11:33 <MDGrein> used them when I went to school :) 23:11:57 <MDGrein> define everything = "windowed applications" 23:12:03 <kyevan> Also, the boss key doesn't hide it from yourself, so that guilty bit in the back of my mind is like, 'work work work' 23:12:30 <kyevan> In other news, I'm only 20k in the hole now :P 23:12:30 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, that sucks... would need an off switch for that too 23:12:47 <MDGrein> port openttd to flash and WHAM! productivity wolrd wide will drop 10% 23:12:48 <Wolf01> install power menu and send it to tray :P 23:13:16 <Wolf01> but is for windows only 23:14:00 *** Zr40 [~zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 23:14:01 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-2.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:14:34 <kyevan> on 'nix it's even easier, wolf. 23:14:56 <Rubidium> jup... there the boss knows nothing about the OS ;) 23:14:59 <Gonozal_VIII> did i mention that i always listen to it when something on irc reminds me of a song? 23:15:04 <kyevan> Just switch virtual desktops, 98% of the world wouldn't even know there were other things runing :P 23:15:25 <Wolf01> eheh 23:16:12 <Gonozal_VIII> shut down explorer.exe... 23:22:20 <kyevan> Woo! I'm debt free! 23:22:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe gratz 23:23:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:23:06 <kyevan> Of course, it's one of the insanely tiny maps, so there's not much more for me to do :P 23:23:30 <Gonozal_VIII> 64*64 maps can be challenging... 23:25:02 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 23:25:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:26:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11669 /trunk/ (77 files in 6 dirs): -Codechange: refactor tile.h -> tile_type.h and tile_map.h 23:26:42 <kyevan> Gonozal_VIII: Eh, well 23:26:57 <kyevan> There's only one town, so no place for goods to go, because I can't really grow it very well. 23:27:15 <kyevan> And it's small enough that PtP tracks work for the industries. 23:30:09 <Gonozal_VIII> that's part of why it's challenging 23:30:29 <Gonozal_VIII> at least with the newgrf i use 23:35:13 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 23:35:16 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm "stop cluster bombs" commercial on tv.. 23:35:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11670 /trunk/src/ (station.h station_cmd.cpp station_gui.cpp): -Feature [FS#1565]: list neutral stations where the player has service in the station list too 23:36:39 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm do you pick your tasks at random smatz? 23:37:23 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:49 <Gonozal_VIII> here a change, there a change... you've been very busy lately... but it all seems kind of random 23:38:08 *** peterbrett [~peter@cpc2-oxfd6-0-0-cust544.oxfd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:48 <SmatZ_> Gonozal_VIII: rather random, but bugfixes have higher priority :) 23:40:56 <Gonozal_VIII> i never know where to start when i want or have to do something... 23:41:17 <SmatZ_> me neither :) so I usually pick the easiest task first... 23:41:26 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:42:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:18 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180066224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:37 *** SmatZ_ is now known as SmatZ 23:51:21 <Gonozal_VIII> are you still working on that tunnel/bridge thing? 23:52:42 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D7F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:05 <kyevan> Hmm 23:53:16 <kyevan> Long tunnels should be able to overlap always... 23:53:42 <kyevan> (Define long as "at least one non-entrance tunnel tile on either side of the crossing point", I think?) 23:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is way too short... 23:55:37 <Gonozal_VIII> well... a slope is only 1 tile long 23:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> and this would be completely not an issue if you have arbitrary rails in tunnels 23:56:24 <Gonozal_VIII> and that's the tunnel/bridge thing i was talking about^^ 23:56:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> (me looks in a definite direction ;)) 23:58:32 <kyevan> Eddi|zuHause2: And signals, of course 23:58:43 <kyevan> And while we're at it, let's allow road junctions, too :P 23:59:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> "arbitrary rails" does include signals 23:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> but not road crossings, as those are road tiles 23:59:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but no bridges or tunnels inside the tunnel^^ 23:59:55 <kyevan> Awww.