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00:01:59 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:50 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:21:36 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:01 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:29:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8A7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77B33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76D43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:03:08 <THM-SFG> does someone know how i could plant specific industries randomly? e.g. i want to place oil & cole indutries only at places i choose, but farms and wood industries should be placed all over the map at random. any ideas? 01:05:58 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:03 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: why? not every country is like germany 01:11:13 *** THM-SFG [~carstenr@dslb-088-074-003-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:14:18 *** THM-SFG [~carstenr@dslb-088-073-115-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:21:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:01 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:37:26 *** Fraser [~Fraser@c-69-143-207-179.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:43 <Fraser> Hello 01:37:44 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489C0F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:09 <SmatZ> hello 01:38:34 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.211.131.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:47 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.211.131.77] has joined #openttd 01:39:18 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcfe8.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 01:42:42 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489BCD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:28 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-233.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:06:01 *** Fraser [~Fraser@c-69-143-207-179.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Fraser] 02:08:35 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:16:18 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcfe8.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:32 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:07 *** AllAboard [~Fraser@c-69-143-207-179.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:38:40 <AllAboard> Hello I am having a problem with the OS X version of OpenTTD. I have searched through the forum's and wiki but cannot seem to find anything. My problem is simple: I have no vehicles listed, I cannot build any vehicles or depots. I have all the correct files, do I need to configure it somewhere? Many thanks! 02:42:12 <glx> check the date 02:43:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Crashing into my (ikea) bed] 02:43:23 <Tefad> yeah, try starting in 1935 or so 02:44:10 *** THM-SFG [~carstenr@dslb-088-073-115-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 02:44:34 <De_Ghosty> what u mean 02:44:43 <De_Ghosty> i though trains were invented in 1600 02:44:56 <De_Ghosty> and cars invented in the 1200 02:45:52 <Tefad> De_Ghosty: not in game. 02:47:04 <ben_goodger> ..? 02:49:20 <AllAboard> Ok, will do. 02:52:13 <AllAboard> Cool, I have trucks in 1938. The train construction is still grey/blocked... do I have to wait for it to develop? 02:59:17 <Tefad> AllAboard: something like that 02:59:27 <Tefad> depends on vehicle set too 03:00:41 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F56714.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:00:58 <glx> check on the wiki, all appearance dates are there 03:01:19 <glx> and that depends on climate too 03:02:11 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:07:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F559E5.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:33 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@p549F21B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:38:00 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F3165.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 03:38:00 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 04:16:48 <AllAboard> Unfortunately the trains are still unavailable to use. Do I have to configure something? I am going to try a clean install 04:58:58 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.205.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:59:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.205.195] has joined #openttd 05:17:31 <Patrick`> AllAboard: the trains come in in the 40's or 50's 05:33:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F21B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 05:46:34 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CDEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:12:17 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F56714.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:41 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F56714.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:41:49 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 06:42:22 <ln> Eddi|zuHause2: sarcasm 06:43:19 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:44:39 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CDEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 06:45:37 <Celestar> morning 06:48:48 <peter1138> hi 07:00:37 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:06:19 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has joined #openttd 07:10:15 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-8.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:48 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-208.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 07:13:23 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 07:25:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:26:20 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-232-74.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:40:37 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 07:47:07 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:47:09 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:30 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067074.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:51:58 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65DC8.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 08:28:37 *** eax_ [~eax@217.60.146.3] has joined #openttd 08:30:00 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 08:40:24 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD5C84C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CD1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:38 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:57:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:59:27 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12600 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Codechange: make GetNonStopType return a more augmented type; not is there a non-stop order but the kind of non-stop order, so one doesn't need to check _patches.new_nonstop type everywhere. 09:00:55 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78932.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 09:02:57 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B65DC8.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:59 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:05 *** eax_ [~eax@217.60.146.3] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:31:53 *** eax_ [~eax@217.60.146.3] has joined #openttd 09:36:54 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:36:54 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:18 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-7645.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:43 *** AllAboard [~Fraser@c-69-143-207-179.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: AllAboard] 09:43:26 *** Trond [~nope@ti131310a080-7645.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:51:53 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:51:53 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:48 *** eax_ [~eax@217.60.146.3] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:02:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84419.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8105B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:04:34 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: Gone] 10:06:11 *** Morloth [~bram@53542231.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:53 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-208.45.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 10:36:01 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 10:51:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:16:56 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:21:56 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@c043.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 11:23:04 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@c043.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [] 11:30:17 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:27 <Celestar> :S 11:32:38 <Celestar> Backup provider told us off for using too much space 11:33:38 <Celestar> it's only 30 TB :S 11:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> haha ;) 11:35:00 <Celestar> comon. 11:35:12 <Celestar> that's about 25 Tapes ... 11:35:42 <SmatZ> for the GIT repository? 11:36:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't think he talks about openttd :p 11:36:20 <SmatZ> aha 11:38:54 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-45-240.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 11:42:42 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has joined #openttd 11:43:27 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-70-115.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12601 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r12587): do not reset the index of orders (causes loading ancient savegames to loop infinitively. 11:51:07 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:51:07 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:24 <Celestar> methinks that openttd needs nowhere near 30TB :P 11:53:46 <Rubidium> if we want to precalculate all game states we need to 11:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, 2^8MB is not anywhere near 30TB ;) 11:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2^(8MB) 11:59:07 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:01:47 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has joined #openttd 12:02:48 <Celestar> 8MB is about 8 million 12:03:02 <Celestar> 2^8e6 > number of mass-carrying particles in the universe 12:03:46 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:14 <hylje> doesnt 2^128 exceed that already 12:06:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> who says you need mass to store information? :p 12:07:08 *** pm|work is now known as planetmaker 12:13:53 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-156-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:14:30 <peter1138> hylje: unlikely to 12:15:41 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-153-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F21B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:16:56 <peter1138> whoever came up with that statement was either an idiot or making a joke 12:30:11 <Celestar> peter1138: with what statement? 12:30:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12602 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_bridge.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: minor type in documentation 12:30:58 <peter1138> "2^128 exceeds the number of particles in the universe" (relating to ipv6) 12:31:10 <Celestar> number of mass-carrying particles 12:31:15 <Celestar> not number of partciles. 12:31:25 <peter1138> well it's still wrong 12:31:48 <Celestar> nope, because that number is estimated to be around 10^80 12:32:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12603 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_error.cpp ai_error.hpp ai_error.hpp.sq): [NoAI] -Add: 'support' for telling AIs that the last error message was a NewGRF generated message, so we can't say anything sensible about the real error message. 12:35:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12604 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_log.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: document LogData to make Doxygen happy 12:36:33 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2F0CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12605 /trunk/src/ (train.h train_cmd.cpp train_gui.cpp): -Cleanup: variable scope and coding style in train* 12:37:16 <Celestar> man 12:37:30 <hylje> dude 12:37:36 <Celestar> I don't get NewGRF_ports up to scratch. Shall we start a new branch or shall we restart the whole development process in trunk/ ? 12:38:49 <peter1138> hmm 12:38:59 <peter1138> i don't like branches :( 12:39:11 <peter1138> seems to make a mess of workflows 12:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> do it in the 0.6 branch ;) 12:39:42 <Celestar> peter1138: so trunk it is ;) 12:40:01 <Rubidium> Celestar: not very wise IMO to go to trunk directly 12:40:14 <Celestar> Rubidium: peter1138: then fight it out amongst yourselves :P 12:40:18 <Celestar> Rubidium: why is that? 12:40:29 <Rubidium> because then we have broken airport in about two days 12:40:40 <Rubidium> and they'll work again in six months 12:40:51 <peter1138> well when stuff is done in trunk we generally don't break it, heh 12:41:00 <Celestar> Rubidium: nope. airports will not be broken at any time. 12:41:08 <Celestar> i.e not working 12:41:35 <peter1138> hg? heh 12:41:58 <Rubidium> hg's fine by me 12:42:02 <peter1138> gah, it's impossible to find an azalia/intel hda front panel audio thingy :( 12:42:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:43:13 <Rubidium> the main issue with NewGRF airports is that there is a vague plan to make something that might work 12:43:43 <Rubidium> the specification isn't finalised in any way and there are still loads of issues to resolve 12:43:44 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-25-20.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:43:47 <TheJosh> hey all 12:44:00 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12606 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_bridge.hpp ai_error.hpp ai_object.hpp ai_station.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: minor documentation inconsistancy, to make doxygen even more happy 12:44:48 <Forked> happy doxygen! \O/ 12:45:17 <Celestar> Rubidium: which are? :) the airport side is basically working 12:47:17 <Rubidium> the minor things like flag and such not moving, the enormous duplication of code everywhere 12:47:28 <Rubidium> total lack of callback support 12:48:22 <Celestar> 1) there's already a patch, 2) that's a big issue why I think a rewrite is needed. 3) dunno 12:49:17 <Rubidium> 'just' using string IDs that IIRC are already taken for something else 12:49:27 <peter1138> hmm? 12:50:04 <TheJosh> how is everyone? 12:50:07 <Celestar> Rubidium: ? 12:51:11 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:11 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:11 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:12 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:13 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 12:51:32 *** TheJosh [~josh@d220-238-25-20.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #openttd [] 12:51:54 <Rubidium> IIRC someone said that CD00 and CE00 StringID ranges are already used for something else 12:52:40 <peter1138> C4 and C5 would work 12:52:47 <peter1138> same as regular stations 12:52:53 *** ln [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:07 <peter1138> they're 'virtual' IDs local to each GRF anyway 12:55:23 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.85] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:56:10 <Rubidium> the rest of the issues I can't recall at the moment and the logs are on a broken HDD 12:58:18 <peter1138> so rewrite using hg? heh 13:04:35 *** robotboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:26 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 13:07:51 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-250-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:42 <Celestar> hg? 13:12:08 <Rubidium> mercurial 13:13:13 *** Arie- [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:25 <Celestar> don't get it 13:20:05 <Celestar> @openttd bugs 13:20:09 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Open Bugs: 32; Not assigned: 24; Closed this week: 4; Opened this week: 7 13:20:39 <Rubidium> Celestar: mercurial is a scm and we export svn to a mercurial repository automatically 13:21:06 <Rubidium> there you can easily work without the hassle of creating a whole new branch in svn 13:21:29 <Celestar> I see 13:25:10 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm30.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:26:06 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.198.26] has joined #openttd 13:28:34 <peter1138> hmm 13:30:24 <peter1138> suppose i should install hg on my new box 13:32:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.205.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:24 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c122-107-243-224.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:46:26 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:46:26 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:30 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:58:41 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:01:05 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12607 /branches/noai/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: SetLastError support for AIVehicle (Morloth) 14:02:26 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-187-132.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:02:35 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:48 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:10:51 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-020-165.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:01 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-020-165.chello.nl] has quit [] 14:16:53 *** wolfryu [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-020-165.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:40 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-020-165.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:24 *** THM-SFG [~carstenr@dslb-088-073-121-165.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:35 *** planetmaker is now known as pm|work 14:32:39 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteijn 14:40:41 <THM-SFG> hello, can someone tell me if it would be possible to place only specific industries at random and not all of them? 14:41:39 <Rubidium> (if you like messing with the source) ? yes : no; 14:41:54 <Celestar> hehehe 14:42:07 <Tefad> if yes then yes if no then no. 14:42:21 <Tefad> except english and C/C++ don't mix well at all 14:42:36 <Volley> ah, they mix well enough :) 14:42:44 <Tefad> heh 14:43:34 <Volley> i just thing the "if" is wrong inside the condition 14:44:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 14:45:32 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-191-041.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:32 <Rubidium> the "if" is just syntactic sugar 14:47:27 <THM-SFG> hmm 14:47:28 <THM-SFG> okay 14:47:41 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:54 <Volley> i realize i hardly ever use that syntax ... have to check for correct usage now ... 14:48:14 <THM-SFG> so to say it with your words, could someone of you "mess with the source" to create such an option? 14:50:03 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-140-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:12 <Volley> ah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_statement gives a good explanation ... :) 14:50:12 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 14:50:46 <Volley> and THM-SFG: well, not me. i allready fail merging patches properly :) 14:51:33 <Celestar> patch -p0 < file 14:51:34 <Celestar> ? 14:51:36 <THM-SFG> hm, i merged 4 patches yesterday ... first time i managed to do it 14:51:49 <Volley> Celestar: not applying, merging! 14:51:57 <Celestar> oh :P 14:52:28 <THM-SFG> it sometimes is important to have them in a specific order 14:52:35 <THM-SFG> i don't why, but that was my solution 14:53:05 <Diadem> Hey guys. Shouldn't there be a new train in 1963? The Floss 47? 14:53:12 <Diadem> It's 1964 now and haven't seen it 14:53:51 <Volley> THM-SFG: propably because of how well and far patch looks for a match 14:54:03 <THM-SFG> i wanted to merge close airport, update airport, extra-large-maps (like 8000x8000) and 2ap-per-player-per-town .... didn't work ... then i tried changing the order in my combined patch file 14:54:06 <THM-SFG> and it worked 14:55:03 <Volley> i wanted YAPP, timetablebased seperation, copy&paste, paxdest and a view others... i propably wanted to much 14:55:08 <THM-SFG> was a major success for someone like me with absolute no knowledge of C or that code i merged there ... haha 14:55:25 <THM-SFG> u tried to let paxdest out? 14:55:41 <THM-SFG> i wanted to include it, too 14:56:02 <Volley> well, i still have a very well working build of rc1 with most of my wishes in 14:56:03 <THM-SFG> but it didn't compiled successfully ... so i only compiled the other four patches ... that worked 14:56:53 <THM-SFG> i think there will occur a problem if you want compile paxdest with other patches and the newest builds ... 14:56:55 <Volley> not to forget: distant join stations patch, for the lazy stationlwalkers :) 14:57:15 <THM-SFG> i could compile trunk and paxdest ... but never trunk+paxdest+other patches 14:58:10 <THM-SFG> build them something to walk ... some unused train station ^^ 14:59:51 <Volley> ah, early in game when a town won't let you eaven temporarily remove a piece of road and you just want to continue a station on the other side of the road... it's easier that way :) 15:00:18 <Volley> ( for example ) 15:00:42 <THM-SFG> nevertheless i still could use some tool to place specific industries at random ... otherwise it will take me days to plant all the industries on my worldmap ... and i can not plant all of them at random, cause oil and coal isn't found anywhere on the world ... argh 15:04:23 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12608 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#1909]: pressing 'Load' did not cancel the full load order. 15:08:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> Volley: you can place drive-through stops on the road 15:08:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> THM-SFG: someone talked about making such a patch a while ago (for the scenario editor) 15:09:05 <THM-SFG> u know who that somewas was? 15:09:17 <THM-SFG> perhaps it was me in the forums 15:10:27 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.67.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:17 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can only find a feature request like this http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=36545 but nobody who said "i'd do it" 15:20:30 <Forked> we should rename volts to FREEDOM UNITS 15:20:35 <Forked> wrong channel and network 15:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> very wrong :p 15:23:37 <Belugas> but so usual... "We should..." So, it's seems it's always the same song on every channel :) 15:24:08 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:20 <SpComb> Forked: André-Marie AmpÚre was also French 15:27:20 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:38 <SpComb> Alessandro Volta was Italian... 15:28:46 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@aura.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 15:30:43 *** planetmaker is now known as pm_away 15:31:46 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:36:07 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-004-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:24 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 15:42:49 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:52:43 *** pm_away [~chatzilla@aura.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:16 *** Diadem [math@115pc224.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: Gone] 15:57:03 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 15:58:17 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:42 *** ln- [~lanurm@castor.utu.fi] has joined #openttd 16:04:56 <ln-> hello bjarnis 16:08:05 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:08:50 <orudge> heh, the old short-lived openttd cvs on SF is still accessible 16:08:52 <orudge> http://openttd.cvs.sourceforge.net/openttd/ 16:10:48 *** pm_away [~chatzilla@aura.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 16:12:40 <Maedhros> ooh, pre-r1 16:14:46 <orudge> lots of pre-r1 stuff around if you know where to look :P 16:14:55 * orudge has various bits of pre-r1 scattered al over the place 16:14:57 <orudge> *all 16:16:23 *** amix [Michal@cm-84.208.177.133.getinternet.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:51 *** Geb [~longbeast@79-65-58-248.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 16:17:11 <THM-SFG> i can see you all 16:17:27 <yorick> oh really? 16:17:51 <THM-SFG> yeah 16:17:54 <THM-SFG> true 16:18:08 <Geb> A quick question. Does industry growth work differently in multiplayer in terms of station ratings affecting it? 16:18:13 <THM-SFG> watchin a game, havin a ottb session ... true 16:18:16 <THM-SFG> d 16:18:20 <THM-SFG> wasabi 16:18:25 *** THM-SFG is now known as CARST 16:24:02 *** teop [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has joined #openttd 16:25:43 *** pm_away [~chatzilla@aura.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:22 <teop> good evening, can anyone help me with openTTD installetion in openSUSE? 16:26:43 <Mirrakor> my openTTD is running on OS 16:27:38 <teop> on my system ./config worcs fine exept for one warning:no video driver found, building dedicated only 16:28:00 <teop> i have proprietary nvidia driver installed 16:28:03 <Rubidium> install the sdl development libraries 16:28:20 <Maedhros> and make sure you get the headers too 16:28:29 <teop> so when i run make and then make install nothing happens 16:28:41 <Mirrakor> OS names the header packages <name>-devel afaik 16:28:49 <teop> i have them 16:28:59 <teop> make running without ploblems 16:29:25 <glx> teop: but it built a dedicated version 16:30:23 <glx> and driver for ottd is not the same as driver for hardware 16:30:54 <teop> so i need more development libs 16:31:46 <peter1138> sdl development libs 16:32:22 <teop> ok, thanks, i will try it 16:32:29 <teop> thx all 16:36:49 <glx> and while you are installing libs, add png and zlib if there are not present :) 16:37:16 <teop> ok:) 16:37:47 <Ammller> teop: you know, there is already a precompiled build for openSUSE? 16:38:10 <Ammller> (zypper in openttd) 16:38:16 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@villabadmuts.adsl.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:12 <teop> i didnt know, but i thing it will be good if i compile it myself, i need more practice it this things:) 16:39:45 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:06 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:40:18 <Ammller> indeed :-) 16:41:42 *** pm|work [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:23 *** pm|work [~chatzilla@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:52 *** frosch123 [~mtce@pascal.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:11 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:45:11 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:42 <teop> (offtopic)one question about compiling: how can i find from compile.log, which files i need? 16:46:15 <yorick> doesn't ./configure check? 16:47:07 <teop> it check, but i cant find in log anything about problems with sdl-devel libs 16:47:44 <teop> it even create makefile and run make 16:48:30 <teop> so i end bothering people:) 16:49:09 <glx> <teop> on my system ./config worcs fine exept for one warning:no video driver found, building dedicated only <-- that's the message :) 16:50:00 <glx> but config.log should have details on what it searched and what it found 16:50:13 <teop> oh, there "checking SDL... not found" earlier 16:51:23 <teop> but ucsually it looking for many different compilers, dont find them and everything OK in the end 16:52:30 <teop> but i think i get the basic idea, thanks 16:54:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:04 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:59:20 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 17:02:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r12609 /trunk/src/subsidy_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove wrong comments and give more comments on the drawing part of subsidies 17:10:58 *** teop [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host177-232-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:13:09 <Wolf01> hello 17:13:42 *** teop [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has joined #openttd 17:13:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm30.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 17:17:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:17:38 <Mirrakor> hi 17:19:58 <Alberth> hi 17:30:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:36:17 *** AllAboard [~Fraser@c-69-143-207-179.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:54 *** AllAboard [~Fraser@c-69-143-207-179.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit [] 17:43:52 <Digitalfox> OMFG I just lost a HD 500GB drive in my server... Most of my Videos were there.. Shit Shit Shit 17:43:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:05 <Patrick`> owned 17:44:17 <Mirrakor> ye shalt not steel :P 17:44:20 <Rubidium> then don't use striping 17:44:24 <Mirrakor> s/steel/steal 17:44:26 <Rubidium> use something 'safer' 17:44:37 <Rubidium> like RAID6+1 17:45:04 <bowman> regular raid5 has never failed me :) 17:45:33 <Digitalfox> Mirrakor who said it pirate videos?? :p 17:45:47 <Mirrakor> noone ;) 17:46:02 <Belugas> like... assuming for personnal experience? ;) 17:46:27 <Digitalfox> Hum.. I'm going to put it in the fridge :) 17:46:29 <Mirrakor> if only I'd have a 500GB drive in my server ;D 17:46:37 <Mirrakor> then I could start doing that :D 17:46:53 <Digitalfox> Some People say they can recover some data if stays 2 hours on the fridge.. 17:46:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:31 <Mirrakor> hm.. I don't think the fridge will solve the problem.. I guess it depends on what happend 17:48:33 <Digitalfox> But i suspect my problem is with the head 17:48:56 <Digitalfox> It makes some stupid sound like hitting a wall 17:49:26 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcd86.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:38 <peter1138> some say ten minutes over a blowtorch works 17:54:27 <glx> to make a steel sculpture :) 17:54:33 <Rubidium> all we know is... you're screwed 17:55:18 <Digitalfox> What the fuc*.. I had in the past some Hard drives who died, so it wasn't nothing new.. But now the strangest thing just happen.. After punch it it works again and Smart tests say it's 100% ok, no bad numbers.. Running a new test with seagte tools and until now it says it's fine :\ 17:56:05 <peter1138> i suggest you copy everything off it and bin it 17:56:06 <glx> if it's back to work, backup 17:58:58 <orudge> [18:46:52] <Digitalfox> Some People say they can recover some data if stays 2 hours on the fridge.. <-- I had a hard disk die on me once... put it in the freezer overnight, tried it the next day, and it did work for about 20 minutes 17:59:02 <orudge> enough time for me to get important data off it 17:59:06 <orudge> but, your milage may vary, of course... 18:00:38 <Digitalfox> orudge yeah I heard it worked.. :) 18:00:47 <orudge> obviously, make sure you place the disk in some sort of appropriately sealed bag, as it may be deadly for your data if not :p 18:00:49 *** Shiiva [~mae@d54C4B07B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:00:58 <Dominik> when i turned a monitor back on after vacation it made a loud bang and a cloud of smoke emerged from it. once i had recovered from the shock i turned it back on and kept working with it for 2 more years until i got a flatscreen *g* 18:01:07 <orudge> Did you not have any sort of RAID mirroring setup on your server, then? 18:01:19 * orudge has just set up a new server, he decided to plump for RAID-1 + LVM 18:02:27 <Digitalfox> orudge no I don't.. I did had RAID 1, but needed the disck for another RAID1 of a Client... 18:02:48 <glx> oups :) 18:04:45 <orudge> oops indeed 18:04:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:47 <orudge> sod's law, that 18:04:53 <Digitalfox> yeah :\ 18:05:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:05:13 <Digitalfox> Well at least I'll back up now.. And send RMA to seagate 18:05:59 <Digitalfox> What a scary 30 minutes I just had.. :| 18:06:36 *** Geb [~longbeast@79-65-58-248.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: .] 18:09:15 *** teop2k [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has joined #openttd 18:10:35 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:17:07 *** teop [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:31 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:19:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:57 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12610 /branches/noai/ (8 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: a subsidiary is a 'subcompany' and not the financial bonus for routes which is called a subsidy. 18:26:48 <peter1138> heh 18:27:07 <hylje> subsidiaries, wut 18:29:24 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12611 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_vehicle.cpp: [NoAI] -Codechange: use EnforcePrecondition where possible in AIVehicle. Patch by Morloth. 18:32:54 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12612 /branches/noai/ (7 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: support for GetLastError for AITunnel. Patch by Morloth. 18:33:17 <Belugas> Wolf01|AWAY, of course, if EVER fundind towns are granted, vanishing towns will be too, but not on an user basis, of course 18:33:56 <Belugas> your arguments are not bad, i must say. but.. something makes me feel like funding a town is not in the TTD pattern at all... 18:34:44 <orudge> how often do you hear of transport companies funding a town in the real world, though? 18:34:55 <orudge> an industry, perhaps... but a town seems a bit unrealistic 18:35:02 <orudge> in the early days, of course, towns may build up around transport routes 18:35:09 <orudge> but it's rare a company will actually "start" a town 18:35:14 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:22 <yorick> the people that built the railways did need to sleep somewhere 18:36:00 *** torstenvdb [~torsten@local.torstenvdb.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:28 <Belugas> yeah... they funded a town everytime they need a bed ;) 18:37:35 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12613 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (5 files): [NoAI] -Add: support for GetLastError in AITile. Patch by Morloth. 18:37:41 <Belugas> so along every rails, you will find ghost towns :P 18:38:41 <Belugas> i agree wth orudge. Most of the time, a town funded by a company will always be a temporary one during construction of a remote industry or similar big project 18:38:50 <Belugas> a mine even... 18:39:01 <Belugas> but by essence, they are not permanent 18:39:09 <Belugas> -by + in 18:40:00 *** Strong99` [~rex@ip565eb424.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 18:42:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12614 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (5 files): [NoAI] -Add: support for GetLastError in AISign. Patch by Morloth. 18:46:20 <Strong99`> ey 18:46:41 <Strong99`> i got a question over the network architecture 18:47:18 <Rubidium> is that a new way to ask whether you may as a question? 18:47:36 <yorick> yes, it got introduced a week ago 18:48:08 <yorick> ask 18:48:39 <Strong99`> i want to make a web controller for my dedicated server 18:48:54 <Strong99`> and wanted to know how the packets are configured, 18:48:57 <yorick> and I wish you good luck if you come with such a question 18:49:09 <Strong99`> the wiki doesn't say much about that 18:50:13 <Rubidium> the server can't be 'controlled' by means of a network connection, well only when you add a full blown client to the other end which is not the thing you want. 18:50:47 <Strong99`> do you have an other sugestion? 18:50:53 <yorick> rconning works without being an actualy client 18:50:57 <yorick> actual* 18:51:18 <Strong99`> yes thats what i wanted to get working 18:51:23 <yorick> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Network_Protocol 18:52:09 <Rubidium> yorick: really? do you have proof of that? 18:52:46 <yorick> yeah...but you need to have send a PACKET_CLIENT_JOIN and such 18:53:34 <yorick> and be waiting for map/downloading one 18:53:35 <Strong99`> yes but the server starts sending map info after that 18:53:41 <yorick> yes 18:53:51 <Strong99`> not useful for web :P 18:53:55 <yorick> patch a server so it does not 18:54:01 <yorick> or just disgard that info 18:54:05 <yorick> store it 18:54:08 <yorick> or whatever 18:54:49 <Strong99`> but than you this: "well only when you add a full blown client" as @Rubidium said 18:55:02 <yorick> no other way 18:55:02 <Strong99`> than you get * 18:55:05 <Maedhros> hehe, i like Wolf01's 0.7.0 roadmap 18:55:11 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-106-226.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:25 <yorick> huh, where? 18:56:11 <Maedhros> yorick: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=679677#p679677 (if you were talking to me) 18:56:26 <yorick> I was 19:01:27 *** michi_cc [fb707829bd@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:05:37 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 19:08:00 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41673.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:08:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:08:16 *** michi_cc [9a42d8fa48@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 19:08:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 19:08:45 <Bjarni> home sweet home 19:08:55 <Bjarni> finally home 19:09:13 <Bjarni> Bjarni! 19:09:15 <Bjarni> hah 19:09:19 <Bjarni> I beat you to it :P 19:12:25 <ln-> el Bjarni 19:17:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-245.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:18:36 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12615 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: rename some enums related to depot orders to make it more clear that they are no loading/unloading flags. Also add more type strictness. 19:30:57 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:15 *** Strong99` [~rex@ip565eb424.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 19:41:39 *** webvictim [~gus@aphrodite.webvictim.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:48 *** kloopy [kloopy@kloopy.com] has joined #openttd 19:42:51 <kloopy> Good evening everyone. I've read all about net_frame_freq as one of my friends has trouble connecting to any Internet server. when I'm hosting I get the "try increasing net_frame_freq" but that's no help at all. 19:43:25 <kloopy> I've given him my complete folder to see if that helps, unless he's a newbie and messed up extracting my zip file, he's on exactly the same version (0.6.0 stable) 19:43:27 <peter1138> what size map? 19:43:32 <kloopy> 512x256 19:44:08 <kloopy> He's on broadband at about 5Mb down and the standard UK up bandwidth. 19:44:19 <kloopy> So he should be able to keep the ~3k/sec no problem. 19:44:35 <Rubidium> it's more the CPU that can't cope with the game I guess 19:45:04 <kloopy> He's using a Core 2 Duo so I'd assume that should cope. 19:45:10 <kloopy> :) 19:45:32 <Bjarni> OpenTTD is singlethreaded and will not use more than one core 19:45:40 <Bjarni> however each core should be fast enough on it's own 19:45:42 <kloopy> He's using Vista... are there any issues with the net code for Vista (32bit home premium)? 19:45:45 <Patrick`> yeah, I was gonna say 19:45:53 <Patrick`> unless each thread is clocked to 100mhz 19:45:55 <Bjarni> that's the problem 19:46:01 <Bjarni> it's an MS OS :P 19:46:01 <Patrick`> kloopy: good question, we don't know 19:46:04 <Rubidium> then he might have a mighty big spyware/adware/whateverisnotgoodware issue I guess 19:46:07 <Patrick`> any I don't think anyone wants to find out 19:46:12 <kloopy> lol 19:46:15 <Patrick`> yeah, if his machine is riddled and it's flooding up 19:46:17 <kloopy> He's on his way now. :) 19:46:17 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:46:22 <kloopy> This is him. :) 19:46:29 <kloopy> A2, are you spammed with spyware? 19:46:33 <peter1138> 5 mbps is no use when it's saturated with bittorrent ;) 19:46:34 <Bjarni> hello "him" 19:46:35 <A2> nope. 19:46:43 <kloopy> He's running IRC and OpenTTD apparantly. 19:46:48 <A2> pc used for the occasional torrent is completely switched off 19:46:54 <kloopy> (unless there's some major porn obsession he's not telling us about) 19:47:14 <A2> only things connecting to internet are: mIRC, Vent, OpenTTD(occasionally) and firefox which is viewing BBCNews 19:47:23 <bowman> I've played in vista without issues, at least briefly 19:47:28 <A2> (static page, not a video or anything like that) 19:47:32 <kloopy> Multiplayer over the Internet, bowman? 19:47:35 <bowman> yes 19:47:36 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-106-226.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:37 <kloopy> hmm 19:47:38 <A2> the game works perfectly on single player 19:47:38 <webvictim> perhaps he's actually a root nameserver and doesn't realise ;) 19:47:51 <Rubidium> when does the client get kicked? Very quickly after joining? 19:47:54 <A2> and we've had it working quite happily on multiplayer this week with no trouble 19:47:58 <Rubidium> or even during downloading the map? 19:47:58 <A2> about 2 minutes 19:48:02 <bowman> then again I usually turn of all the crap that typically causes problems for vista users so its really not that different from xp 19:48:18 <webvictim> the server gets constantly spammed with "client #x is slow" messages, too. 19:48:22 <kloopy> No, I get about 6 or 7 messages about "try increasing net_frame_freq" and eventually after a few minutes he's dropped saying "no reply in 4 days" 19:48:29 <webvictim> (i'm part of this same game :>) 19:48:41 <kloopy> Downloading the map is fine, Rubidium. 19:48:52 <Bjarni> A2: I can't ping you (firewall or something) so maybe you should try to ping something on the internet to see if you get decent ping times 19:48:54 <A2> map download takes about 30 seconds 19:48:59 <Bjarni> hmm 19:49:04 <Rubidium> then his computer can't keep up with the server (you've just shown the classic symptoms) 19:49:05 <A2> where would you like me to ping? 19:49:09 <kloopy> A2, ping the server... 19:49:10 <peter1138> ... 19:49:12 <kloopy> that's a good idea. 19:49:17 <peter1138> 30 seconds? for a 512x256 on 5mpbs? 19:49:21 <peter1138> that seems rather high 19:49:31 <Bjarni> yeah 19:49:45 <webvictim> it does, i have to say 19:49:53 <peter1138> is the server on adsl too? 19:49:57 <webvictim> kloopy's outgoing bandwidth is >1mbit too 19:49:59 <Rubidium> it still smells like spyware/adware/whateverisnotgoodware infestation 19:50:05 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E4D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:50:09 <A2> Pinging www.parsnip.com [69.46.229.12] with 32 bytes of data: 19:50:09 <A2> Reply from 69.46.229.12: bytes=32 time=136ms TTL=48 19:50:11 <kloopy> Yes, BeThere 24Mb down 1.25Mb up. 19:50:23 <Rubidium> or a number of rogue processes 19:50:26 <SmatZ> 512x256 map should have ~256kB 19:50:27 <A2> thats a transatlantic ping 19:50:33 <peter1138> so that should be 10 seconds max 19:50:51 <kloopy> What does Task Manager say your CPU usage is at, A2? 19:50:53 <A2> pinging the server: 19:50:54 <A2> Pinging www.parsnip.com [69.46.229.12] with 32 bytes of data: 19:50:54 <A2> Reply from 69.46.229.12: bytes=32 time=136ms TTL=48 19:50:54 <peter1138> you have 'pause on join' enabled, i take it? (it's default) 19:51:05 <kloopy> Yes, Peter. 19:51:46 <SmatZ> it happens to me sometimes, that even on LAN, I am downloading OTTD map at ~50kB/s ... 19:52:04 <A2> sorry: pinging the server gives: 19:52:05 <SmatZ> I think it is caused by high CPU load, as peter1138 mentioned 19:52:05 <A2> Pinging home.kloopy.com [87.194.210.170] with 32 bytes of data: 19:52:05 <A2> Reply from 87.194.210.170: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=56 19:52:23 <A2> CPU usage 13% 19:52:42 <A2> most of which is task manager :) 19:52:43 <Bjarni> A2: http://www.kaspersky.com/ <-- try the free trial virus/trojan horse/spyware scanner from this place 19:53:23 <kloopy> He's just doing that now. 19:53:43 <peter1138> did i mention high cpu load? 19:53:46 <A2> getting the antivirus wotsit from it now 19:54:46 <A2> I get full frame rate from other games at this time of night 19:54:46 <SmatZ> peter1138: pause during downloading reduces CPU load a lot :) 19:54:59 <SmatZ> I understood you you mentioned this because of CPU load 19:55:08 <peter1138> no 19:55:13 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78932.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:55:38 <peter1138> i mentioned it because 30 seconds without pause on join enabled will usually not work 19:55:59 <kloopy> He's just joining my server again now and we're going to check his CPU load whilst he's on the server. 19:56:30 <Belugas> anyone else but A2 tried to access your server? 19:56:45 <kloopy> Yes, we've had about 5 other people around the country playing with no problems at all. 19:57:49 <kloopy> His CPU load doesn't increase above the idle rate whilst in-game. 19:57:53 <kloopy> :( 19:57:54 <A2> from test of CPU load before & after connecting to server - its the same 19:58:17 <A2> get a slight peak while loading map up to 17%, but that would be expected 19:58:33 <A2> and now averaging about 8% 19:58:35 <kloopy> A2, are you about to boot into XP to test connecting from that OS to see whether it's something wrong with a) Vista compatibility or b) your Vista install. 19:58:47 <kloopy> If you still ahve the problems in XP, then it's more likely your ISP. 19:59:20 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:25 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F56714.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:00:42 <A2> I shall retry in XP - back in a few mins 20:00:51 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: <@Igloo> sorry but servers just do it for me <@Igloo> There shiney metal <@Igloo> ANd spinny wizzy fans <@Igloo> And oooooooo ;D * @Igloo spurts] 20:01:35 <kloopy> Thanks for your help everyone, by the way... We really appreciate it. You'd not get this kind of support from the developers for any paid game. You're kind people and doing a great job! *bows* :D 20:02:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r12616 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h): -Codechange: r12591 didn't work as expected for NDS, move one function back to cpp 20:03:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12617 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add type safety to the Order's load and unload types. 20:04:48 *** lobster [~aap@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:04 <kloopy> Another quick, unrelated question: We were playing last Sunday and got to 1989 and we didn't get electrified rails (starting in 1969). Any idea why a) we didn't start with them and b) didn't get them at any point after that? 20:05:22 <kloopy> I presume it's just some silly mistake I've made with the configuration of my server, but I couldn't find what. 20:06:07 *** lobster [~aap@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:06:24 <peter1138> non-temperate map? 20:06:39 <kloopy> Desert. 20:06:42 <kloopy> Erm. 20:06:44 <peter1138> yeah 20:06:44 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:06:46 <kloopy> No, snow one. 20:06:47 <kloopy> :) 20:06:49 <A2> now on XP 20:06:50 <peter1138> arctic 20:06:53 <kloopy> Last Sunday, it was snow. :) 20:06:55 <kloopy> Yes, tahnks. :) 20:07:06 <peter1138> no electric engines by default in that climate 20:07:33 <kloopy> Aha, ok! Thanks. That answers it.: ) 20:08:21 <A2> on XP - no difference to Vista 20:08:31 <A2> and CPU usage approx the same 20:08:34 <kloopy> So it must be an ISP thing, I guess. 20:09:10 <A2> even if they throttled me in the evenings though a 3kb/s connection should work 20:09:35 <webvictim> i'd expect to get that on dialup, tbh ;) 20:10:01 <A2> also Ventrilo is working quite happily 20:10:13 <A2> and other games like TF2 work fine at this time of the evening 20:10:46 <Alberth> Aircraft are still stuck at r12609, it seems 20:10:55 <Rubidium> might be the connection to kloopy within one of your providers that causes the problem though 20:11:15 <kloopy> We also had webvictim hosting on another ISP altogether and A2 had the same problem still. 20:11:17 <A2> we had this problem last week as well - and webvictim tried hosting instead 20:11:21 <A2> and same problem. 20:11:57 <A2> anyway - I'm rebooting back to Vista as the OS doesn't make a difference, but my screens are the right way round there :) - brb 20:12:05 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Quit: <@Igloo> sorry but servers just do it for me <@Igloo> There shiney metal <@Igloo> ANd spinny wizzy fans <@Igloo> And oooooooo ;D * @Igloo spurts] 20:12:48 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:58 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:16:40 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:16:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:14 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:19:04 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12618 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: as load and unload type are now split, some case statements got ugly. 20:20:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:33 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 20:24:41 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:28:10 <Patrick`> I'm thinking of getting into competitive ttd 20:28:24 <Patrick`> coop meets my ideals but it's a bit of a big step 20:28:41 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:28:42 <Patrick`> so what, just hop on a newish server and start building? 20:29:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12619 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: lots of documentation about window related stuff. Patch by Alberth. 20:29:10 <Patrick`> or are there some pitfalls I should know about, like I know a while back some guy on the forums was running a "be a total fucking dickwad" server where ettiquete was banned 20:32:38 <kloopy> For anyone who is interested in the A2 problem... It looks like Demon Internet are traffic shaping his connection so severely that it breaks OpenTTD. 20:32:49 <kloopy> I've setup port forwarding on port 80 on my server and that port is working fine for him. 20:33:04 <A2> I shall call them and shout at them tommorrow 20:33:04 <kloopy> So if anyone has this trouble in future, perhaps a port 80 approach could be suggested to them. 20:33:08 <kloopy> :) 20:33:31 <glx> silly ISPs ;) 20:34:01 <A2> you'd have thought they wouldn't bother traffic shaping a 3kb/s connection realy 20:34:22 <Rubidium> probably some botnet has taken the port number 20:34:29 <glx> they probably filter ports 20:34:59 <Bjarni> if they don't like the port then we would be really interested to know it and also to know why they don't like it 20:36:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:37:36 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.211.131.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:40 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.211.131.77] has joined #openttd 20:44:15 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:07 *** teop2k [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:14 *** michi_cc [9a42d8fa48@dude.icosahedron.de] has left #openttd [Und weg...] 20:48:19 *** michi_cc [9a42d8fa48@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 20:48:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 20:49:15 <michi_cc> Rubidium: I think you broke depot orders. OrderDepotTypeFlags and OrderDepotActionFlags map to the same values in order.flags 20:49:32 *** teop2k [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has joined #openttd 20:49:48 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:16 <Rubidium> that happened previously too 20:50:52 <michi_cc> well, ODATFB_HALT and ODTFB_SERVICE now share one bit which can't be right 20:51:13 <Rubidium> michi_cc, as I said: they did before 20:51:33 <Rubidium> I'm currently just adding accessors to the 'current' format 20:51:39 <Rubidium> so I can change the format easily 20:51:56 <michi_cc> then something else is broken, because my trains suddenly stop when being serviced 20:52:44 <Rubidium> serviced in which manner? 20:53:01 <michi_cc> automatic train servicing 20:55:07 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: I eated you :(] 20:58:04 <Rubidium> michi_cc: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/service_issue.diff solve the issue? 20:59:24 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.172] has joined #openttd 20:59:54 <michi_cc> checking 21:00:11 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 21:00:19 *** divoafx [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:58 <michi_cc> Rubidium: it does 21:02:39 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12620 /trunk/src/order_base.h: -Fix: automatic servicing of vehicles made them stop in the depot. 21:06:32 *** A2 [~a2@dyn-62-56-53-141.dslaccess.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> bah, it's cold 21:20:50 *** teop2k [~zaript@89.232.124.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:24 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:50 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:37 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:15 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fcd86.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: Good bye!] 21:35:57 <Ammller> omg, just realized the virtual keyboard for password entry :-) 21:36:23 <Ammller> soo sweet 21:37:19 <Rubidium> it's been there already in two months 21:37:38 <Ammller> but only for pw, not the usual signs? 21:37:56 <Rubidium> for every text input box 21:38:02 <Bjarni> sometimes people request stuff we already coded 21:38:30 <Bjarni> I wonder when the next guy will request a feature to automatically upgrade to new vehicles when they are available 21:38:40 <Bjarni> it happens once in a while (not often though) 21:39:05 <Ammller> :-) 21:39:08 <ln-> i request and demand the game to have airplanes. 21:39:29 <Ammller> but I am not able to get that keyboard ingame 21:39:46 <Rubidium> click on the 'edit box' 21:39:47 <peter1138> 2 months? 21:40:12 <Rubidium> March and April 21:40:15 <peter1138> lol 21:40:27 <Bjarni> I like the guy who requested signal on bridges. He was sure that it's not possible just because nobody thought about it until he did 21:40:29 <peter1138> that's not the usual meaning of 2 months 21:41:00 <Ammller> ah, stupid me, I tried with 0.6.0 21:41:04 <Bjarni> sure that's the reason... we aren't creative enough to imagine that people could use signals on bridges 21:41:26 <Bjarni> <Ammller> ah, stupid me <-- it would be rude to disagree with you :P 21:41:26 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:42:01 <Ammller> played around with expect, but its not possible to send server pw, is it? 21:42:16 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60E4D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:22 <Ammller> not possible to access GUI 21:43:45 <Ammller> btw, from where does the vitual keybord take the layout? 21:44:00 <Ammller> I play with english language but have a german keyboard 21:44:10 <Rubidium> your config file 21:44:24 <Rubidium> you probably started in German when it was introduced 21:44:33 <glx> language file if not in config 21:45:32 <Rubidium> glx: first it tries config and if that's empty, then the language file 21:45:44 <Ammller> oh yes, the language, it was german from 0.6 21:46:15 <Rubidium> closing OTTD will probably give you the English version then, I guess 21:46:16 <Ammller> well, that isn't really important, but sweet. :-) 21:46:27 <Bjarni> it is important 21:46:36 <Bjarni> for handheld keyboardless devices 21:46:38 <Ammller> after switch to english, its english now 21:46:46 <Ammller> oh, yeah, indeed. 21:48:07 <Ammller> is there possible somehow to enable copy&paste? 21:53:14 *** Gekz [~brendan@121.218.49.21] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:54:22 <Bjarni> no comment 21:55:42 <Ammller> hmm, Scrap 21:57:59 <ln-> did you mean: Sacro 21:58:36 <Ammller> no, scrap is the name of clipboard support for OSX 21:59:00 <Rubidium> Ammller: s/s// 21:59:07 <ln-> did you mean: OS X 22:03:00 *** Shiiva [~mae@d54C4B07B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Forget it, or don't behave differently, and they might as well have been only a fantasy, a dream.] 22:05:41 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C494.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 22:08:41 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12621 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (9 files): [NoAI] -Add: support for GetLastError in AIRoad. 22:10:09 *** Sacro` [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:11:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:14:31 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-250-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:15:42 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12622 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: infinite loop in case your compiler decides that enums are unsigned by default. 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