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07:09:06  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12698 /trunk/src/ (ship_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: skip orders to stations that do not have a train part anymore, just like is done for road vehicles and ships.
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07:53:14  <dih> aronal ^^
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07:57:34  <elmex> dih: :)
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10:00:51  <SmatZ> hello
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10:22:24  <Celestar> \o/
10:22:28  <Forked> \o
10:22:32  <Forked> don't irc as root ;\
10:22:43  <Celestar> hehe
10:22:54  <Celestar> our admins managed to trash our file server and authentication server
10:22:59  <Celestar> root is the only user I _have_
10:23:09  <Phantasm> ;P
10:23:22  <Phantasm> Aha, old version of irssi!
10:23:32  * Phantasm starts some cracker activities.
10:23:59  <Celestar> they also managed to change one of the PWs, neglected to tell me the new ones, and forgot the PW themselves
10:23:59  <Forked>  /dcc send celestar forked.sh    .. just chmod +x this one.. and run it, please..
10:24:05  <Celestar> :P
10:24:13  <Phantasm> Ah there.. Thx for the root, Celestar.
10:25:12  <Celestar> there is NOTHING on this box, and the rest of the network is down. Have fun :P
10:26:09  <Gekz> I love people.
10:26:17  <Celestar> don't. people suck
10:26:26  <Gekz> well, they arent offering you enough sex.
10:26:45  <Celestar> make a hole in the wall and use it. Technically correct, just without the emotional part :P
10:28:31  <Celestar> well I'm off trying to help those guys
10:28:33  <Celestar> bye
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10:30:26  <Gekz> :o
10:30:29  <Gekz> he was ROOT
10:30:30  <Forked> sounds like fun
10:30:37  <Forked> "he was" .. now you are?
10:42:38  <Sacro> now we all are ;)
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11:01:08  <Eddi|zuHause3> roots of all countries, unify!
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11:14:23  <Eddi|zuHause3> (possibly "unite" is a better translation)
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11:29:31  <Gekz> RANDOM
11:29:41  <hylje> LOL RANDOM
11:29:58  <Gekz> NULL
11:30:42  <Forked> /exec -o cat /dev/urandom
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11:47:37  <Sacro> Forked: no
11:47:41  <Sacro> wow
11:47:45  <Sacro> hueg netsplat
11:48:18  <Eddi|zuHause3> what is a hÃŒg netsplat?
11:50:09  <Forked> net goes splat
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12:31:43  <Eddi|zuHause3> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/rocklorryfail.jpg
12:33:20  <hylje> haha
12:34:05  <peter1138> errrrr
12:34:23  <peter1138> wasn't secured and he braked too hard? heh
12:40:22  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: maedhros * r12699 /trunk/src/ (order_func.h order_gui.cpp timetable.h timetable_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Unify the order drawing code for orders and timetables.
12:42:17  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: maedhros * r12700 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Cleanup (r12699): Remove an unused string.
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12:43:58  <Sacro> 127000!
12:44:26  <Eddi|zuHause3> in your wet dreams!
12:44:31  <Sacro> lies
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13:04:48  <RichK67> hi
13:05:44  <Eddi|zuHause3> hi
13:05:52  <Gekz> Sacro: one too many zeros
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13:23:28  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12701 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: do not explicitly number a widget enum because that causes a big diff when adding something.
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14:39:57  * dih smiles
14:40:28  <Gekz> no happiness
14:40:30  <Gekz> -_-
14:40:41  <Eddi|zuHause3> oh no!
14:41:26  * dih slpas Gekz with a 'happy' slap
14:41:32  <dih> a joyful one :-D
14:41:40  <Gekz> lol
14:41:49  <dih> no laughing
14:41:56  <Gekz> I'm not
14:42:00  <Gekz> it says lots of love
14:42:06  <dih> yuck
14:42:10  <dih> you are strange
14:42:30  <dih> get the behind me
14:42:44  <Gekz> erm
14:42:52  <Gekz> what do you want me to do to you whilst behind you
14:43:54  <dih> you seem to be a wee bit unfamiliar with that line, eh?
14:44:08  <dih> "get the behind me satan"
14:44:19  <Gekz> its invalid
14:44:53  <dih> i know a guy who whenever he saw chocolate said
14:44:57  <dih> "get the behind me...
14:45:01  <dih> ... and push"
14:45:06  <dih> ^^
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14:46:05  <dih> haha
14:46:08  <dih> you are too late
14:46:19  <umj> :(
14:46:24  <dih> unless you want to help send Gekz to the back
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15:00:59  <dih> Rubidium: have a company password question for you
15:01:22  <dih> would it be possible to have a tickbox saying something like don't encode this password?
15:01:39  <dih> i.e. so one can enter the 'hash' directly
15:02:15  <dih> which would be useful if one wanted to set the password server side :-P
15:02:54  <Rubidium> it can also do the hash on the server side
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15:03:27  <dih> ok - i thought that piece of code was not compiled on server builds
15:05:11  <glx> server builds are the same as client builds (just they only have null drivers)
15:05:31  <Ammler> Rubidium: wasn't the idea of the pw encryption to save them for restart?
15:07:37  <Ammler> something else about that, is it possible to set a company pw from the server (rcon)
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15:08:19  <extspotter> hello?
15:08:29  <extspotter> I need some OTTD help
15:09:48  <Rubidium> to get help you better explain where you need help
15:09:50  <Mark> just ask and someone will probably answer
15:09:52  <Mark> :)
15:10:02  * Rubidium is bored talking about his broken crystal ball
15:10:09  <extspotter> I am trying to play multiplayer but I keep getting the error Network-game connection lost
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15:10:49  <extspotter> is that to do with firewall, like people in #tycoon have suggested and how to I stop it
15:11:05  <Rubidium> you want to join a server, right?
15:11:22  <Rubidium> in that case it's unlikely to be your firewall
15:11:31  <Rubidium> do you use wireless?
15:11:42  <extspotter> I use wireless
15:12:03  <glx> that may be a problem too
15:12:14  <extspotter> 54mbps
15:12:26  <Rubidium> more unstable wireless than slow wireless
15:12:51  <extspotter> I have a long length of ethernet cable, should I use that
15:13:01  <extspotter> but it is like 50m long
15:13:09  <Rubidium> it would help to find out whether it is the wireless or something else
15:13:21  <Rubidium> so it's at least worth a try
15:13:22  <extspotter> ok
15:13:22  <glx> 50m is not that long :)
15:13:23  <extspotter> thanks
15:13:33  <extspotter> it is when you only need 15-20m
15:14:21  <Belugas> joys of spaguetti!
15:14:39  * planetmaker has here some crystal fragments. Wonders whether they belong to Rubidium
15:16:34  <glx> extspotter: another useful info is OS, CPU, mapsize
15:19:01  <extspotter> I hate having 50m
15:24:28  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12702 /branches/noai/src/ (5 files): [NoAI] -Codechange: some coding style cleanups.
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15:39:20  <AlexinEXT> back again
15:39:34  <AlexinEXT> I couldnt sign in with my other name
15:39:41  <AlexinEXT> thanks for your help
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15:40:22  <AlexinEXT> I just feel a bit of a noob, with my sprinters, when everyone else has eurostars and TGVs
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15:57:24  <AlexinEXT> omg
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16:24:13  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12703 /branches/noai/src/ (8 files): [NoAI] -Codechange: move the remaining thread functions to use the new thread infrastructure.
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16:32:41  <Celestar> heyo
16:32:57  <glx> hey Celestar
16:33:08  <Celestar> Rubidium: nice work the last couple of days
16:33:16  * Celestar shakes hand :)
16:33:21  <Celestar> @openttd bugs
16:33:22  <DorpsGek> Celestar: Open Bugs: 29; Not assigned: 22; Closed this week: 14; Opened this week: 12
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16:37:14  <Rubidium> Celestar: you mean me doing bugfixes?
16:37:23  <Celestar> yeah and code cleanups
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16:41:12  <ln> why Jadzia?
16:43:03  <Belugas> because your hands are cold, Julian.  PLus, your haircut lacks style
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16:48:29  <Celestar> LOL!
16:49:07  <Celestar> good point Belugas :)
16:49:16  <Belugas> ;)
16:53:03  <peter1138> wee
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16:59:12  <Robert_> hi
16:59:38  <Rubidium> 'allo 'allo ;)
17:06:58  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r12704 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: code style cleanup, mostly switch case alignment
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17:11:22  <Wolf01> hello
17:11:46  <Belugas> hello Wolf01 and Robert_
17:11:55  <Robert_> hi!
17:12:03  <Wolf01> hi Belugas
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17:31:22  <orudge> Evening all
17:31:32  <SmatZ> hello
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17:50:26  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r12705 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: enumification of some more widgets
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18:52:05  <RichK67> hi
18:53:20  <Wolf01> hi RichK67
18:59:25  <Sacro> RichK67! :D
18:59:31  <hylje> !!!!
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19:16:41  <orudge> !svn 12673
19:17:12  <SmatZ> @openttd commit 12673
19:17:13  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by rubidium :: r12673 /branches/noai (108 files in 9 dirs) (2008-04-12 21:38:49 UTC)
19:17:14  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r12596:12672. Note that due to the order rewrite AIOrder.ChangeOrder does currently not work as expected.
19:17:20  <orudge> ah
19:17:23  <SmatZ> :-)
19:17:40  <orudge> ;)
19:27:14  <Wolf01> I updated the ECS vectors I had... somebody can tell me how does the  "cargo left: xxxxx" thing works?
19:28:46  <orudge> Hmm
19:29:14  <orudge> is there any foolproof way of detecting a corrupt OpenTTD game (such as those produced by the MiniIN), without the game just crashing, as it currently does?
19:29:28  <hylje> no
19:29:48  <hylje> apart from redundantly simulating everything at least twice
19:29:53  <orudge> sigh
19:30:00  <orudge> one of the downsides to OpenTTD's ease of coding ;)
19:30:14  <hylje> (which would likely work in a massively p2p multiplayer setting)
19:30:23  <hylje> (but what do i know)
19:30:35  <SmatZ> orudge: not yet
19:30:59  <orudge> oh well
19:31:45  <Prof_Frink> Maybe add a saved-in-version header?
19:31:55  <orudge> well
19:31:58  <orudge> there is such a thing
19:32:05  <orudge> but many custom patches didn't update it properly, I gather
19:32:10  <orudge> hence crashyness
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19:32:32  <Prof_Frink> I was thinking use the same version string as is on the title screen
19:32:32  <hylje> oh, you mean like savegames
19:32:39  <SmatZ> I have almost done patch that logs last used game version
19:32:51  <SmatZ> and other things, like newgrf changes...
19:32:52  <orudge> basically, my parser-type thing for the Repository works fine for normal OpenTTD games
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19:32:55  <Prof_Frink> So patches would nat least come through as r23422M
19:32:55  <orudge> but crashes with broken games
19:32:57  <orudge> because they're, well, broken
19:33:08  <orudge> I'd just like it to detect those and ideally not crash
19:33:15  <orudge> as a crashy backend to a server is not particularly good :p
19:33:29  <hylje> Prof_Frink: unlabeled M revisions shouldn't have working saveload?
19:33:46  <Rubidium> orudge: I guess some strategically placed checks instead of asserts could do the trick
19:34:15  <SmatZ> anyway, if anyone wants, s/he can create game with invalid data somewhere
19:34:25  * Prof_Frink starts making corrupt savegames to gain access to the Zernebok central computer
19:34:25  <orudge> of course
19:34:27  <SmatZ> that cause assert years after loading the game...
19:34:38  <glx> I once fixed a savegame by hand
19:34:42  <SmatZ> :)
19:34:46  <orudge> hence why it's nice if OpenTTD can try to detect these. A pain to avoid all the possible crashes, of course.
19:34:48  <glx> not a funny thing to do
19:34:56  <Prof_Frink> glx: Literally?
19:35:10  * orudge fixed a saved game by hand once
19:35:14  <orudge> but this was back in the TTDPatch days
19:35:15  <Prof_Frink> As in print out, correct with tippex, and OCR back in?
19:35:21  <orudge> but not quite that literally
19:35:41  <glx> Prof_Frink: wrote a decompressor then removed extra data in it
19:36:29  <Rubidium> but I think I need a savegame that is 'broken' (my yapp savegames just give an error and return to the intro menu)
19:36:52  <orudge> Rubidium: I can send you some "broken" MiniIN games if desired
19:37:54  <glx> MiniIN games are loadable in MiniIN
19:39:17  <Rubidium> orudge: do that and'll see whether my 'quick' fix will actually fix crashing on it
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19:39:53  <orudge> Rubidium: http://www.owenrudge.net/various/test-miniin.sav
19:40:05  <orudge> er
19:40:07  <orudge> Rubidium: http://www.owenrudge.net/various/test.miniin.sav
19:40:08  <orudge> even
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19:44:41  <yeti_> can you make combo signals work with terminus stations? the problem is: either 1) exiting trains won't leave because the outwards track doesn't have an exit signal OR
19:45:15  <yeti_> 2) if the outward track has an exit signal, trains will enter through the incoming pre-signal even if none of the entrances is free, but the exit is
19:45:37  <peter1138> sounds like you need a signalling guide
19:45:53  <glx> yeti_: feel free to rewrite signal updating pathfinder :)
19:47:58  <yeti_> glx: that's way beyond my coding skills ;)
19:49:16  <dih> if you do it - your coding skills will improve :-P
19:50:58  <Rubidium> orudge: http://rbijker.net/openttd/do_not_crash.diff
19:51:48  <orudge> does it work? :)
19:51:51  * orudge shall give it a shot in a moment
19:54:45  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12706 /trunk/ (18 files in 3 dirs): -Merge: the thread rewrite from NoAI. The rewrite makes the threading we have better extendable.
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19:59:37  <orudge> Rubidium: that works nicely for my purposes
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20:00:34  <glx> Rubidium: +/** Error handler, calls longjmp to simulate an exception. <-- it throws an exception ;)
20:00:41  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r12707 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix: do not crash very hard on unrecognised savegames, just go back to the intro menu instead.
20:01:23  <Rubidium> hmm, didn't even see that part of the comment
20:01:26  <glx> probably I forgot to update the comment when I introduced exceptions
20:01:47  <Wolf01> The latest version of ECS is not playable... the industries doesn't have enough raw materials :(
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20:04:27  <peter1138> complain to george
20:04:46  <Wolf01> 4 travels to drain a oil well
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20:14:44  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r12708 /trunk/src/sound/win32_s.cpp: -Fix (FS#1914): increase default sound buffer size only for vista
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20:21:55  <dih> Bjarni!
20:21:59  <orudge> Bjarni!
20:22:03  <dih> hahaha
20:22:04  <SmatZ> Bjarni!
20:22:10  <SmatZ> too late :-x
20:22:16  <Bjarni> no
20:22:23  <hylje> slowpoke
20:22:29  <hylje> Bjarni!
20:22:33  <Bjarni> you managed to show that you act childish as well
20:22:56  <dih> we just like greeting "the" Bjarni :-D
20:22:56  <SmatZ> :)
20:23:04  <SmatZ> everyone likes Bjarni
20:23:13  <Bjarni> I noticed
20:23:18  <SmatZ> :)
20:23:29  <Bjarni> too bad this happens in a group of guys only :(
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20:24:32  <SmatZ> :(
20:24:49  <SmatZ> are there any girls at #openttd ? hello, girls!
20:24:59  <hylje> no guys on the internet
20:25:24  <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: We have Tenebrae on #tycoon
20:25:31  <Bjarni> to be honest it doesn't really matter
20:25:41  <dih> ok
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20:25:44  <Bjarni> after all all I see is a flow of chars
20:25:44  <dih> that is scary
20:26:10  <SmatZ> The internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents.
20:26:10  <guru3> Bjarni: can you point at it and say "blone... brunette..." ?
20:26:23  <Bjarni> I would prefer to meet women in real life rather than on IRC
20:26:24  <SmatZ> Prof_Frink: wow!
20:26:35  <SmatZ> :)
20:26:38  <Osai> ouch SmatZ
20:26:51  <SmatZ> hello Osai :-)