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00:09:29 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13058 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make a class of the ExtraViewportWindow. 00:29:48 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499F191.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 00:31:58 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 00:31:58 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 00:34:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B765E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:46 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B76F6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:59:19 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:23:38 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-47-253.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:05 *** llugo [lugo@p4FD84C5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:34:04 *** lugo [lugo@p4FD84CF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F427F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 01:47:52 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 01:53:02 *** mynetdude is now known as mynetdude|Away 02:00:05 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Night All.] 02:08:26 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 02:10:59 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:17:42 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 02:20:36 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:56:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B765E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> spontaneous self reboot... that is weird... 03:01:59 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 03:13:06 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-133-188.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:18:50 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-179-144.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:16 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 03:24:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:27:47 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-64-23.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:33:41 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:33:41 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-64-23.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:23:04 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13059 /3rdparty/squirrel/sqstdlib/sqstdstring.cpp: [Squirrel] -Codechange: silence warnings about not checked argument types for a few sprintf calls. 05:52:11 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:06:34 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:19 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:14:12 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:28:51 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489FC67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:33:56 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489DCBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:01:18 *** Gekz [~brendan@210.14.100.240] has joined #openttd 07:02:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@210.14.100.240] has left #openttd [] 07:03:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@210.14.100.240] has joined #openttd 07:04:03 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:09:50 <cjk> I am seeing rdtsc() in the game's code, but is not that not-so-good when the TSC is not constant? 07:11:55 *** Gekz [~brendan@210.14.100.240] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:13:22 <Rubidium> the number of processor ticks is imo a better way to check how long a short piece of code takes than the number of seconds 07:13:35 <Rubidium> it's after all only used for crude profiling-ish stuff 07:14:38 <cjk> yes, but I was referring to a change in frequency with which the TSC increases 07:15:28 <Rubidium> The instruction returns a 64-bit value in registers EDX:EAX that represents the count of ticks from processor reset. 07:15:56 <Rubidium> so with the frequency change an operation starts taking more processor ticks? 07:16:05 <Rubidium> (or less) 07:18:30 <Tefad> TSC count is sometimes used for random number generation 07:18:46 <Tefad> however on pentium 4s the result seems to always be even (or odd, i forget) 07:19:25 <Rubidium> maybe every operation takes a multiple of 2 processor ticks? 07:19:57 <Tefad> maybe on p4s 07:20:18 <Tefad> it screwed with the guy that codes foobar2000 07:20:19 <Tefad> : D 07:20:35 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-47-253.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:20:57 <Tefad> i don't think he had any netburst machines to test his code with, took a while to figure out why there was a bug in shuffle mode with some computers and not others 07:21:03 <Tefad> common denominator was P4 07:21:13 <Tefad> perhaps all netburst.. i forget 07:22:12 <cjk> Rubidium: Well I am referring to constant_tsc in /proc/cpuinfo; on some CPUs, the TSC increases constantly even if the frequency changes - this is good use for timekeeping, but when the TSC changes with frequency, it is not that suitable. How does it affect openttd? 07:23:32 <Rubidium> so constant_tsc is absolutely unuseable for the use of rdtsc in OpenTTD 07:24:03 <Rubidium> as I said before, we use the op count to determine how long a certain function takes in crude profilings 07:24:37 <cjk> ah so it's just for profiling, and not for timekeeping? 07:24:43 <Rubidium> no 07:24:52 <Rubidium> it's actually not even been used at the moment 07:25:04 <Noldo> but it has no gameplay effect 07:25:20 <Tefad> wouldn't the system clock be best for this 07:25:46 <Rubidium> Tefad: for what? 07:25:55 <Tefad> time keeping..... 07:26:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:26:04 <Rubidium> what do you think OTTD uses? 07:26:11 <Tefad> no idea 07:26:15 <Tefad> probably system clock eh? 07:26:18 * Tefad clucks 07:26:25 <Rubidium> something very similar yes 07:26:38 <Tefad> (heh, i typoed, causing me to do that) 07:27:08 <Rubidium> for sdl it's the OS clock (number of ms since 1970 % UINT32_MAX) 07:27:27 <Rubidium> for windows it's the number of ms since boot 07:28:51 <Rubidium> for the null video driver we don't need it (fast forwards always) 07:29:54 <Rubidium> dedicated uses the same as sdl for unixes and same as windows for windowses 07:30:01 <Rubidium> and for the cocoa driver I've got no idea 07:31:16 <Rubidium> so now, what was the problem with rdtsc? 07:31:41 <cjk> none, i just wondered 07:34:19 <Rubidium> but you could've found out where rdtsc was used quite easy with a simple grep 07:34:33 <Rubidium> which your system would most likely have installed 07:34:44 <cjk> greps do not seem to work on the source very well :p 07:34:56 <Rubidium> really?? 07:34:57 <cjk> like, trying to get rid of all the "queried from x.x.x.x" messages 07:35:38 <cjk> there's just a larger part of preprocessor magic (which is ungrepable by nature) 07:35:59 <Rubidium> grep -R 'queried from' src <- how hard can it be? 07:36:13 <cjk> yeah but what to actually _change_ without just ripping out the DEBUG() call 07:36:16 <cjk> ;p 07:36:31 <Rubidium> the debuglevel at which it prints? 07:36:31 <cjk> in the end, I settled with removing level==0 from debug.h 07:37:32 <cjk> anyway, in a different problem "min_players=0" on the console does not work (variable not found) 07:38:46 <Noldo> min_players? 07:39:13 <cjk> min_players from [network] from openttd.cfg 07:40:52 <Rubidium> cjk: uses spaces 07:41:02 <cjk> hmph 07:41:15 <Rubidium> as stated in the help 07:41:25 <Rubidium> min_players = 10 works 07:41:38 <Rubidium> min_players 10 also 07:43:11 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 07:43:13 <cjk> argh.. space handling really needs to be improved (I tried "min_players=10") 07:43:36 <Rubidium> the console sucks anyways 07:46:05 <cjk> and the debug levels are inverted :( 07:46:29 <Rubidium> in what sense? 07:46:42 <Rubidium> 0 no debugging, 9 lots of debugging 07:46:59 <cjk> hm, then -d net=x is screwed up; because "queried from" is tagged with level 2, but both -d net=1 and -d net=3 let it appear 07:47:14 <cjk> (command line option from http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Command_line ) 07:47:16 <Rubidium> because dedicated overrides the debuglevel 07:47:23 <cjk> I did not specify -D 07:47:40 <cjk> does it figure out by looking at $DISPLAY? 07:48:52 <peter1138> no 07:49:46 <peter1138> if you compiled with video drivers, it will fail to start if they can't be used 07:50:01 <peter1138> if no drivers were compiled, it will always be dedicated 07:50:16 <cjk> There is no page titled "config file". You can create this page. 07:50:59 <cjk> so now I've got to find out what variable in openttd.cfg makes it a dedicated 07:51:09 * cjk sighs 07:51:14 <Rubidium> self-compiled? 07:51:27 <peter1138> there is no setting in openttd.cfg to make it dedicated 07:52:10 <cjk> yes, self-compiled, but how would it know in advance whether I wanted a dedicated one or the GUI 07:52:21 <Rubidium> because you failed to install libsdl-dev 07:52:30 <Rubidium> and configure said that 07:52:35 <cjk> that's nasty 07:53:11 <cjk> now I see... if I start /usr/bin/openttd instead, I get the GUI in aalib... 07:55:00 *** Slowpoke [Lobster__@dslb-088-073-232-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:55:18 <peter1138> yes, when you run configure it tells you 07:55:30 <peter1138> but i guess most people ignore that 07:55:51 <cjk> then don't call it configure and don't make its output look like configure :) 07:56:11 <peter1138> uh huh 07:56:11 <cjk> ok, makes sense. openttd -D for the gui version.. 07:56:12 <cjk> or highlight it at least 07:56:30 <cjk> I just compiled from source because I wanted to change something to suit my needs, but I could have also used a precompiled openttd.. 07:57:09 <Rubidium> well, you could've read readme.txt... 07:57:16 *** Slowpoke_ [Lobster__@dslb-088-073-241-227.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:22 <cjk> see, most people don't even do that 07:57:50 <GoneWacko> Can someone go to my house and wait for my UPS package to arrive? 07:57:55 <cjk> heh 07:57:59 <cjk> on Mondays? 07:58:15 <GoneWacko> If the online tracking thingie is to be believed, yes. 07:58:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:04:31 *** Slowpoke [Lobster__@dslb-088-073-232-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:54 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F556E2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:07:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 08:16:48 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:19 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C444.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:32 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 08:41:20 <Alberth> Station and vehicle windows disappear, seemingly on a bankrupcy (news window?) 08:44:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@210.14.100.240] has joined #openttd 08:45:19 <Alberth> Euh, sorry, I was bankrupt :( 08:46:53 <peter1138> ha! 08:47:10 <Gekz> Alberth: you frenchman! 08:47:27 <Alberth> ? 08:47:28 *** UserError [~User@c-98-202-77-105.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:54 <Gekz> Alberth: you said Euh 08:47:54 <Gekz> lol 08:47:56 <Gekz> that's french 08:48:32 <cjk> haha 08:48:46 <Alberth> ah, well, I am not French afaik 08:48:55 <cjk> mais tu semble qu'un 08:49:06 <Gekz> Oui? 08:49:07 <Gekz> lol 08:49:15 <Tefad> MEUH 08:49:19 <Gekz> Mieuw 08:49:21 <Tefad> je suis une vache 08:49:22 <cjk> Nya. 08:49:27 <Alberth> and my French is more than non-eixstent 08:49:38 <Alberth> s/ix/xi/ 08:49:38 <Tefad> ta mere est aussi 08:49:40 <cjk> Solve[x > nonexistant, x] 08:49:49 <cjk> Result: x ~ existant 08:49:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> did you mean "mais-tu"? being an inversion and all 08:50:05 <cjk> no. 08:50:15 <cjk> mais is not a verb! 08:50:26 <Tefad> ouais 08:50:31 <cjk> ouais quoi 08:50:32 <Tefad> c'est pas 08:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i'm baad at french ;) 08:50:40 <Gekz> lol 08:50:50 <cjk> mais is food in german :) 08:50:56 <Alberth> Gekz: Solve[x > terrible, x] plz 08:51:07 <cjk> Alberth: OutOfBoundsError. 08:51:21 <Gekz> Alberth: what? 08:51:25 <Tefad> j'ai plus dongs 08:51:36 <Tefad> plus les dongs 08:51:44 <Gekz> lol 08:51:51 <Gekz> you suck Tefad 08:51:57 <Tefad> oui 08:52:03 <Tefad> pas mal 08:52:04 <Gekz> you suck dongs 08:52:11 <Tefad> non! 08:52:11 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 08:52:15 <Alberth> Gekz: If more than non-existant ~ existant, then i'd like to know what's more than terrible :) 08:52:21 <Tefad> faire-tu 08:52:30 <cjk> Fais-tu... 08:52:47 <Tefad> PENIS-URMOM ok? 08:52:58 <cjk> "what's more than nothing? \"something\". So more than non-existant is existant" 08:53:11 <cjk> nom de dieu de saloperie de connard! 08:53:43 <Gekz> http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL0875110620080508?sp=true 08:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> anglais, s'il vous plaît 08:55:28 <Tefad> je suis un anglophone 08:56:08 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: non 08:56:10 <Tefad> ouais anglais, n'est pas? 08:56:15 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: Deutsch bitte. 08:56:16 <Gekz> :P 09:00:50 <cjk> Die EnglÀnder! 09:00:56 <Tefad> ! 09:05:10 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CCB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:31 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:16:43 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 09:32:28 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.65.133] has joined #openttd 09:42:16 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:00:43 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00:56 *** SirBob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.82 [Firefox 2.0.0.14/2008040413]] 10:02:35 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:36 *** SpBot_ [terom@89.149.209.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@210.14.100.240] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:36:47 *** Gekz [~brendan@210.14.100.240] has joined #openttd 10:38:10 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549739BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:38:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 10:42:17 *** SpBot [terom@marttila.de] has joined #openttd 10:48:35 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549739BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 10:53:37 <cjk> openttd needs a better way to detect version mismatches 10:53:49 <SmatZ> how do you mean? 10:53:52 <cjk> the curent method of comparing strings (?) is horrible. 10:54:03 <Gekz> (!) 10:54:04 <SmatZ> it is not 10:54:08 <Gekz> \!/ 10:54:15 <cjk> I can't join a server running svn-r13032 because uh... configure decided my revision is "g92385022" 10:54:31 <cjk> though it's - code-wise - r13032 too 10:54:32 <SmatZ> use svn then 10:54:35 <cjk> svn sucks 10:54:42 <Noldo> use --revision 10:54:42 <cjk> well anyway 10:54:45 <SmatZ> then don't bitch about it 10:54:54 <cjk> that's why I said it should not use a string comparison for version checking 10:55:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ./configure --version=rXXXX? 10:55:08 <Rubidium> cjk: then use what else? 10:55:19 <cjk> a number that is dependent on the actual binary interface, not the program's version 10:55:26 <cjk> much like .so files in /usr/lib 10:55:27 <Gekz> ... 10:55:28 <Gekz> lol 10:55:47 <Noldo> there is such number? 10:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is, how do you define what the "interface" is? 10:55:57 <Rubidium> so we are going to update that for *every* codechange? 10:56:06 <cjk> Eddi|zuHause: just look at ELF 10:56:21 <cjk> or rather, the info page entry for libtool about binary numbering 10:56:25 <Rubidium> cause when the interface doesn't change a codechange can still cause desyncs 10:56:28 <cjk> i can paste it to a bin if you like 10:56:34 <cjk> hm 10:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause> cjk: for network play, every client has to have the exact same codebase, not the same interface 10:56:46 <cjk> I have to object :) 10:57:05 <Noldo> cjk sounds like the young me 10:57:17 <cjk> For example I changed the industries table and people are successfully connecting with 0.6.0 10:57:26 <cjk> it's not the "exact" code base, just an approximation 10:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause> every operation in a network game must yield the exact same result 10:58:14 <cjk> but production rates are specified by the map, so I guess that is safe 10:58:19 <Eddi|zuHause> there are some parts that are multiplayer agnostic, like stuff that is GUI-only 10:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> or stuff that happens before game creation 10:58:40 <Eddi|zuHause> but those are very limited 10:58:41 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:58:59 <Rubidium> cjk: http://rbijker.net/openttd/does_this_change_the_interface.diff 10:59:00 <cjk> explains why I could not limit the destruction field (landscape.cpp ClearArea) 10:59:42 <cjk> Rubidium: it does not change the interface per se, but if it is not synchronized, it can lead to problems 11:00:07 <Noldo> should it bump version? 11:00:35 <cjk> yes 11:00:53 <Eddi|zuHause> [newgrf-static] section is multiplayer-agnostic 11:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it is restricted to grfs that basically only do sprite replacement 11:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> like catenary, or trees 11:01:57 <Rubidium> cjk: so you want us to manually update some number for like 80% of the commits? 11:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> stuff that has no gameplay value 11:02:09 <cjk> well I am sure you can automate that :p 11:02:18 <Rubidium> how? 11:02:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it gets automatically generated from rev.cpp.in ;) 11:02:44 <cjk> svn/git hook, but I guess that closes the loop of going back to using the rev number 11:03:18 <SmatZ> maybe if git/hg could update some number somewhere to svn revision while updating... 11:03:34 <Rubidium> cjk: problem with git is that it is (for me) almost impossible to tell whether a git checkout is not tainted by a non-trunk-commit to it 11:03:55 <cjk> git log 11:03:59 <Rubidium> or do you want a script to go over 10000+ commits each compile cycle? 11:04:30 <cjk> why, you just have to check if the top commit is a trunk or not 11:04:46 <SmatZ> how? 11:04:52 <Rubidium> no, because then there could be other commits with changes that are not in trunk in that repository 11:04:54 <SmatZ> sorry, I don't know git... 11:05:00 <Rubidium> that would make it at least XXXXM 11:05:47 <cjk> something along the lines of if `git-rev-parse HEAD` != `git-merge-base trunk/master HEAD` 11:07:33 <cjk> if [ `git-rev-parse HEAD` == `git-merge-base trunk HEAD` ]; then echo I am an official revision; fi; 11:10:30 <Rubidium> argh... git is slooooow 11:10:57 <cjk> but downloading revisions with svn is slower 11:11:06 <Rubidium> hg's faster 11:11:13 <cjk> hg is in python, it can't be 11:12:14 <Alberth> cjk: only if you have a really fast FS and a slow CPU 11:13:16 <Rubidium> hg clone takes... 30 secs, git clone 5-ish minutes 11:13:27 <cjk> depends on what you clone and from what server 11:14:19 <Rubidium> http://hg.openttd.org:8000/trunk.hg vs. git://git.openttd.org/svn/trunk.git 11:14:33 <Gekz> git ftw 11:14:42 <cjk> Receiving objects: 100% (38825/38825), 17.93 MiB | 6155 KiB/s, done. 11:14:56 <Alberth> Almost all VCS operations have bottle-neck in IO and not in CPU. It really doesn't matter where you program it in. 11:15:07 <cjk> real 0m27.275s 11:15:12 <cjk> see, my clone was even faster than your hg. 11:15:22 *** buffoon [~buffoon@195.254.247.112] has joined #openttd 11:15:40 <Alberth> you should look at wall-clock time, not CPU seconds 11:15:44 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1EC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:15:47 <cjk> uh 11:15:50 <cjk> this *is* the wall clock time. 11:16:05 * Alberth bonks head on table 11:16:06 <cjk> CPU time was ~20s 11:16:08 <cjk> user 0m18.181s 11:16:08 <cjk> sys 0m2.948s 11:16:25 <Alberth> sorry for the confusion 11:18:00 <buffoon> hi! since the update to 0.6.0 (tried also 0.6.1 RC1) i have several sync errors causing disconnections with my friend. It is a Debian Linux and a Windows XP System (tried launching the server on both, normally on the debian machine). I didn't find anything on the BTS so i do you have some suggestions? 11:18:07 <cjk> perhaps git just takes longer because the compression is more efficient 11:22:35 <cjk> there it is 11:24:21 <peter1138> buffoon: yeah, wait for RC2 11:24:55 <buffoon> peter1138: ah, ok... are there bugfixes planned? 11:26:31 <Eddi|zuHause> buffoon: most known bugs are already fixed in trunk/nightlies, they need backporting to 0.6 and then a release of RC2 11:26:55 <buffoon> ah ok, sounds nice 11:27:18 <buffoon> thx to all developers of openttd btw... Great Job ;) 11:27:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you can try running a nightly server, but there are new features which might decrease stability 11:30:57 *** Mark__ [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 11:31:20 <peter1138> but hydrairc's crap 11:32:07 <buffoon> Hmm, I prefer to wait for RC2 then. 11:33:20 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@137.81.113.87] has joined #openttd 11:37:29 *** cjk [~cjk@sovereign.computergmbh.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:40:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:43:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 11:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, new features are usually totally awesome ;) 11:44:10 <Noldo> just because they are new 11:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well, how many statistics about introducing old features have you studied? 11:56:07 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-132-168.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:13 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-132-168.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 12:08:00 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:11:49 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:50 *** cjk [~cjk@sovereign.computergmbh.de] has joined #openttd 12:13:01 <cjk> is there a way to define waypoints for trams? 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<-- i read "farms" for a second... 13:56:10 <Lakie> But trams doesn't look like farms... and would a farm need a waypoint? -_- 13:56:46 <Belugas> thus me standing there and scratching head... 13:56:50 <Belugas> i though like... 13:57:02 <Belugas> maybe he wants to use the farm as a waypoint? 13:57:05 <Belugas> or somthing... 13:57:07 <Belugas> never mind 13:57:21 <Belugas> not enough coffee yet in system 14:00:47 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 14:04:25 <Lakie> Heh 14:06:00 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:06:03 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 14:12:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:27:44 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!] 14:52:54 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-155-109-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 14:55:51 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13060 /trunk/src/ (industry_gui.cpp settings.cpp): -Codechange: update build industry window when raw_industry_construction setting is modified 15:03:04 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549739BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:03:43 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549739BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 15:20:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-225-220.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:34:19 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm114.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 15:46:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1EC3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 16:01:12 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CCB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 16:04:52 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.67] has joined #openttd 16:11:03 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:19 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 16:11:43 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: foo] 16:22:59 *** izhirahi1er [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:44 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eab.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:32:35 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549739BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:29 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe4dde00-190.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:46:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:52:20 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eab.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 16:52:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.222.152] has joined #openttd 16:59:29 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~Flex@89.246.201.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:30 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CCB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:14 <Ammler> Wouldn't it make sense to include ottd_grf to trunk/src and to make it on compiling like the language files? 17:08:03 <Rubidium> no 17:08:04 <Ammler> hmm, I guess, nforenum and grfcodec would be the problem... :-/ 17:08:10 <Rubidium> exactly 17:18:16 <Roujin> *honk* 17:19:05 <nicfer> anyone from here knows action 52? 17:19:34 <Rubidium> are there already that many? 17:20:18 <Ammler> no :-), nicfer, you do not mean NewGRF Actions? 17:21:15 <nicfer> action 52, oh well, it's for creating a graphic set with atari 2600 quality 17:22:56 <nicfer> well, it was a joke, action 52 is actually a horrendous collection of crappy games that you never forget from the moment you play it 17:29:22 <Roujin> okay it's holiday AND the nice devs are busy with window OO'ifying, so I won't nag about saying something about my drag&draw patch... 17:29:53 <Roujin> *trying to use reverse psychology* 17:38:09 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@62.243.161.103] has joined #openttd 17:38:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:38:38 <Roujin> hi there bjarni 17:39:50 <Bjarni> hello Roujin 17:43:54 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:11 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CCB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 17:53:00 <Belugas> new Nine Inch Nail ALBUM!!! 17:53:19 <Belugas> The Slip 17:53:21 <Belugas> FREEE 17:53:30 *** Zr40 [~zr40@82-168-238-114.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 17:53:31 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> online? 17:53:41 <Belugas> www.nin.com 17:53:57 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> <---- clicks... 17:56:07 <Prof_Frink> [18:56:07] <--- clocks 17:56:32 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> hmmm 17:56:35 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> clicks again? 17:56:36 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> jk 17:56:47 * Belugas opens da zip 17:58:27 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> * kicks his lousy Comcast connection 17:58:36 * Belugas drags in WinAmp and byebye Queensrych 17:58:50 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> stupid IRC q -- how do you do the blue text with the "*" ? 17:59:30 * Prof_Frink wonders what you mean 17:59:40 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> ^^ 17:59:42 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> exactly that 17:59:50 * peter1138 doesn't know 17:59:56 <Prof_Frink> It's all /me /me /me , isn't it. 18:00:27 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> pretty much 18:03:01 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:41 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:49 *** henkie [not@tdlnx.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:10 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:35 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eab.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:07:26 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~somewhere@c-68-40-40-232.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:31 *** henkie [not@tdlnx.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:04 * Chicago_Rail_Authority Finally gets the "it's all about /me" joke from earlier... 18:15:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-175-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:15:15 * Chicago_Rail_Authority ....mumble... 18:15:54 <Wolf01> hello 18:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> ¡hola! 18:28:18 * Belugas likes Head Down 18:30:36 <ln> пÑОвеÑ, вПлÑ01 18:34:32 <Bjarni> ln: I know it's the language you use to pick up women but there aren't any women here 18:34:45 <Sacro> women? 18:34:59 <Bjarni> Sacro: false alarm 18:35:11 <Bjarni> it was a statement that they aren't here 18:35:38 <Bjarni> last time I saw a woman on IRC it turned out to be a guy 18:35:48 <Bjarni> but I guess that is to be expected 18:36:22 <Belugas> ln is in a linguistic identity crisis 18:39:50 <Sacro> @seen Karen_ 18:39:50 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Karen_ was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 57 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Karen_> jawohl! 18:40:25 <Bjarni> <Belugas> ln is in a linguistic identity crisis <-- he should talk about it in #someonewhocares 18:40:41 <Belugas> i've heard that the named Karen_ entity can be found on #openttd.riddle 18:40:43 <Belugas> or soemting 18:40:45 <Belugas> something 18:40:55 <Belugas> agreed Bjarni 18:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> ln is in a linguistic identity crisis <- you mean лМ ;) 18:41:14 <Belugas> err... 18:41:22 <Belugas> if you wish, Eddi|zuHause :) 18:41:45 <Belugas> hooo.... Corona Radiata seems promising :D 18:45:07 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> ln is in a linguistic identity crisis <- you mean лМ ;) <-- if we start to define terms for him then this one could do as well: èšèªèœåã®ã¢ã€ãã³ãã£ãã£ã¯ã©ã€ã·ã¹ 18:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "Die FÀhigkeit zur Nutzung der Sprache IdentitÀtskrise" <- that does not make too much sense... 18:48:21 <Belugas> The Four of Us are Dying : MESMERIZING! 18:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> # Yes, yes, yaw, yaw! I'm a hell of a man! 18:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> # I'm walkin', walkin' down the street and hear you, hear you saying: "Damn! 18:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> # I wanna, I wanna be like Smudo, too, 18:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> # makin', makin' rap records, saying, saying 'Fuck you'!" 18:50:27 <Bjarni> thinking about it I guess the sentence should actually be: ã¢ã€ãã³ãã£ãã£ã¯ã©ã€ã·ã¹ã®èšèªèœå 18:50:45 <Bjarni> not that it would matter to most of you :P 18:51:03 <Sacro> i see a person running 18:51:06 <Sacro> possibly on fire 18:51:08 <Sacro> into a building? 18:51:30 <Wolf01> sacro goes hunting 18:51:52 <Bjarni> Sacro hunts free BBQ 18:52:06 <Wolf01> karen isn't a she :D 18:52:23 <Bjarni> are you sure? 18:52:28 <Belugas> why do you say so? 18:52:29 <Wolf01> (shh) 18:52:50 <Bjarni> did you try the test from Crocodile Dundee? 18:54:31 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.ipv6.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:49 <Bjarni> no answer... 18:55:00 <Bjarni> looks like he did 18:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause> http://youtube.com/watch?v=kicwl6skmWA 18:55:10 <Bjarni> and something happened afterwards 18:55:21 <Bjarni> Wolf01: are you able to walk again? 18:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (such a great song) 18:56:05 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: isn't that an off topic youtube link? 18:56:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it is on topic 18:56:20 <Sacro> http://youtube.com/watch?v=8txk6EhYZKA <- and i'm addicted to that song 18:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i have talked about the song above, and bjarni talked about women that are not women 18:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it's double-topic ;) 18:57:34 <Bjarni> which means it overflows and makes it very off topic :P 19:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause> http://youtube.com/watch?v=G_D9h1xM0_0 <- man, that was a long time ago... 19:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause> (same band, different decade) 19:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that's basically the song they got famous with 19:01:21 <Bjarni> Sacro: does that video reflect your view on Germans? 19:01:53 <Belugas> ho... dancing monkeys... 19:02:15 *** mynetdude|Away is now known as mynetdude 19:02:22 <Eddi|zuHause> they have a trabbi in the video ;) 19:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> those are antique by now :p 19:02:39 <Sacro> Bjarni: no, tis just a catchy tune 19:04:24 <Bjarni> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mVd2c25noEE <-- this is actually some German singing that's worth listening to (unlike your links :P ) 19:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> damn, i don't have enough bandwidth for that much youtube... 19:05:38 <Bjarni> :P 19:05:46 <Bjarni> you pay for each MB? 19:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that is hardly a german that sings there :p 19:06:01 <Bjarni> no 19:06:04 <Bjarni> it's a computer 19:06:11 <Sacro> damn alarm 19:06:21 <Bjarni> it's voice synth generated 19:06:48 <Bjarni> and it's better to listen to than your links :P 19:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, the "queen of the night" should represent a really mad woman bitching around :p 19:08:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:09:37 <Sacro> one, two, three, swanky swanky pigs 19:12:40 <Bjarni> can you guys explain the election in Serbia. The pro EU guys got 123 seats while the nationalists got 127 seats yet the pro EU guys have been declared the winner 19:12:59 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bjarni> you pay for each MB? <- no, that would be a traffic limit... i just have really low bandwidth (low enough that i can't watch youtube videos in "real time") 19:13:03 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37eab.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 19:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: they got that from the election in Kongo ;) 19:13:43 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 19:13:52 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 19:14:02 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 19:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't even know there was an election in serbia 19:14:34 * Sacro has an election 19:15:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure you do, but please spare us the details :p 19:15:33 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 19:15:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0304ds2-ba.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 19:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> brb 19:16:57 <SmatZ> lol 19:16:58 <Bjarni> Sacro: we don't want to hear the result of your "use right or left hand" election 19:17:05 <Bjarni> hmm 19:17:09 <SmatZ> election :) 19:17:52 <Bjarni> how can you have that election at all? I mean all the voters would show up after the time you need your result 19:18:59 <Bjarni> now I think I know how they declared the winner in Serbia 19:19:34 <Bjarni> it would appear that election observers look at who has the largest party rather than who has 50+% of the votes 19:19:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74620.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:16 <Bjarni> that would work in USA and other countries with only two parties 19:20:18 <Bjarni> but not here 19:20:23 <Prof_Frink> Now there's a good idea 19:20:36 <Prof_Frink> Have elections based on which party can throw the best one. 19:22:02 <Bjarni> well 19:23:04 <Bjarni> according to EU the goal is to gain as much power to EU as possible 19:24:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:39 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p549739BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit 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