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00:03:24 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-120-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F2823.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 00:33:54 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BB940.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 00:34:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7539E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:48 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-120-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:41:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75D95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F264.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:12 <joachim> can't find it :/ 01:03:18 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:50 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:15 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-220.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:27:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-122-79.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:16 <Belugas> could it be -> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#Can_wagon_be_attached_1D_ ? 02:05:25 <Belugas> looks like a good candidate to me 02:06:01 <Belugas> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#Powered_wagon_callback_10_ as well, who knows 02:27:53 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BB1E3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:35:18 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:37 *** HaloMaster [~osiris@114-30-109-103.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:50:26 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-181-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 03:03:03 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:58 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:27 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:31:32 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BB1E3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 05:28:28 *** HaloMaster [~osiris@114-30-109-103.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 05:34:59 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net quits: Scaevolus, Touqen_, joachim, lobster, Gekz, @Belugas, CIA-4, @orudge, Tefad, ccfreak2k, (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 05:36:14 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn, @Belugas, lobster, @orudge, mikegrb, ben_goodger, Eddi|zuHause2, joachim, Gekz, Ridayah (+10 more) 05:36:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 05:36:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 05:42:32 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 05:55:06 *** Marduuhin [~Marduuhin@84-50-162-151-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:55:15 *** Marduuhin [~Marduuhin@84-50-160-178-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 06:00:09 *** |404NotFound| [~osiris@114-30-109-103.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:06:09 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:18:25 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 06:18:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 06:30:58 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:35:03 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 06:37:03 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CA81.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:39 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:44:56 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 06:46:48 *** UFO64 [~UFO64@cpe-24-31-128-172.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:52:31 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CA81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 07:08:46 *** blathijs_ is now known as blathijs 07:16:01 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:45:59 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:55 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 08:03:36 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:05:01 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 08:20:36 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:22:51 *** LA [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:25:13 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:39 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:27:14 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:28:25 *** LA [~purple@ip202.cab18.mus.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]] 08:28:33 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:30:42 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:34:03 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 08:47:48 <joachim> Belugas: likely, but can't find them in the code 08:49:31 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:51 <Noldo> so there is some kind of coupling type system already? 08:51:06 <dih> yes - at #love 08:51:11 <Noldo> :) 08:53:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57DAB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:54:55 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 08:55:59 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:21 <ln> begin of discussion 09:07:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it's not ;) 09:08:02 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:08:13 <ln> you have no evidence 09:08:29 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause2: yesterday he was right with his "end of discussion" :) 09:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, there was a discussion running all night ;) 09:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> read the logs, there is clear evidence ;) 09:11:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... firefox doesn't do "open in new window" properly anymore.. 09:15:28 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:10 <Yexo> that few lines from Belugas? That doesn't count as 'discussion'. :p 09:18:26 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has joined #openttd 09:23:55 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 09:30:24 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:33:56 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:17 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 09:36:30 <Smoky555> hi all :) 09:37:20 <yorick> hello 09:37:57 <Smoky555> can i add more predefined stasion names into the game? such as Central or only CityName 09:39:00 <peter1138> only by patching 09:40:03 <dih> peter1138: a station name pool (in the config) would be funny 09:40:11 <dih> people can add any amount of their own :-P 09:40:20 <peter1138> not really 09:42:24 <Smoky555> peter1138: ok, i see 09:42:42 <peter1138> dih: besides, it stills needs patching ;) 09:43:09 <dih> :-P 09:43:25 <dih> i just said it would be funny :-D 09:43:59 <dih> server side list of station names (north, east, sourth, west, central, outlanders) 09:45:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, make a newgrf spec ;) 09:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> probably you can hijack the industrial station names 09:50:57 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 09:52:56 <joachim> ah found it 09:57:51 *** oja [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 09:59:03 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:44 <oja> whats max on towngrowth patch? 10:01:03 <oja> i set it to 10 and towns barely grow :( 10:04:07 <joachim> do you serve them goods? 10:04:51 <oja> not yet, but even normally towns grow faster then just 1k of ppl over a period of 24 hours :s 10:05:53 *** curson [~curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:06:16 <joachim> and isn't the number a slowing factor, ie higher is slower? 10:07:00 <oja> i thought the otherway around 10:07:21 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 10:07:35 <oja> not sure, lot of patches and w/e arent on the wiki, and if they are they explain what it does somewhat but not how to set the setting, heh 10:08:06 <oja> iunno, i've been playing around with settings everytime server restarts 10:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> oja: it's city growth, not town growth, only a part of the towns are cities 10:09:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1C41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:16 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 10:16:11 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-141.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:16:17 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:23:11 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:35 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:33:08 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 10:42:20 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has joined #openttd 10:45:48 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:47:33 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:53 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:24 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:50 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 11:06:16 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 11:09:58 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: updating quicktime, then getting laptop...] 11:14:17 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a73.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:16:09 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:54 *** |404NotFound| is now known as HaloMaster 11:21:27 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 11:21:34 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfd29.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:29 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has joined #openttd 11:23:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:34:00 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a73.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 11:49:22 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@129.187.61.232] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 11:51:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:21 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:08 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13650 /branches/noai/src/console_cmds.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: don't segfault if you type just 'stop_ai' 11:52:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80559.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:52:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:57:43 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 12:00:46 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 12:04:51 <HaloMaster> Heh, i was wondering what happened when i did that. 12:05:39 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:08:38 <dih> ? 12:09:04 * HaloMaster points at r13650 12:09:39 <dih> @OpenTTD commit 13650 12:09:40 <DorpsGek> dih: Commit by truebrain :: r13650 branches/noai/src/console_cmds.cpp (2008-06-30 09:57:17 UTC) 12:09:41 <DorpsGek> dih: [NoAI] -Fix: don't segfault if you type just 'stop_ai' 12:09:44 <dih> ah 12:09:50 <Gekz_> that's a lulz. 12:11:30 <HaloMaster> indeed 12:14:17 <ln> the person who types shouldn't segfault? 12:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> did that ever happen to you? 12:18:21 <ln> not yet, but i haven't used the noai branch. 12:18:50 <dih> you are supposed to to stop_ai <ai_name> 12:19:00 <dih> and it segfaulted with out the ai name 12:20:35 <SpComb> sounds like a... NULL POINTER DEREFERENCE! 12:23:18 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:27:44 <Yexo> dih: acutally you are supposed to stop_ai <player_id> 12:27:59 <dih> or that way 12:28:00 <dih> ;-) 12:28:16 <dih> (which actually does make more sense :-P) 12:28:29 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 12:32:54 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:09 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cf150.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:52 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfd29.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:21 <dih> CIA-4: get ya lazy ass back in here.... 12:48:32 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 12:48:59 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:52:20 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-120-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C22F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:27 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:08 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:28 <Belugas> hello 13:09:22 <dih> heyho 13:14:42 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 13:17:00 <Belugas> joachim, what is it that you found out? The two callbacks i gave yoo in Pikka's code? 13:19:24 <joachim> yes :) 13:20:40 <Belugas> good 13:20:48 <Belugas> you're coding a new engine set? 13:25:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E99A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:15 <fjb> Hello 13:25:34 <joachim> no, I wanted high speed tracks so I changed some ukrs trains to run on maglev (shinkansen tracks w/catenary) 13:26:46 <Belugas> ho... you hacked them... 13:27:11 <Belugas> if you want an advice, ask Pikka before publishing them ;) 13:27:32 <joachim> of course, it's just for personal use :) 13:29:16 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:29:29 <peter1138> ARGH 13:29:32 <peter1138> WARNING: Your password has expired. 13:29:35 <Belugas> congratulations on finding the "secret" codes, anyway :) 13:29:37 <peter1138> i wonder what it was :o 13:30:39 <Belugas> "ooops" 13:30:50 <Belugas> sorry to hear that 13:30:51 <peter1138> annoyingly 13:30:56 <Belugas> hope it was not a vital stuff :) 13:30:59 <peter1138> it actually has key authentication 13:31:03 <peter1138> that bit works 13:37:13 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:51 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 13:43:39 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 13:44:47 *** Volley [~worf@84.119.42.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:51:43 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:01 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 13:59:41 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CA81.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:12 <Belugas> FindWindowById(WC_MAIN_WINDOW, 0) should return the toolbar, wouldn't it? 14:00:24 <Belugas> or shouldn't it... 14:00:48 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499CA81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:03:35 <Osai> hi all 14:04:29 <Belugas> mmh... 14:04:32 <Belugas> i do not see "all" 14:04:49 <Belugas> but hello anyway ;) 14:06:55 <dih> :-P 14:08:55 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:09:03 *** Gekz___ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:09:54 <dih> Gekz geht auf 'n strich! 14:10:34 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:02 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:03 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:08 *** Gekz___ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14:17 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:14:30 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:15:11 <dih> Gekz: how fast does that _ grow? 14:16:44 <Touqen_> o/` How much for that _ in the window? o/` 14:18:45 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 14:19:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:38 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:19:50 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> my ____________ is longer than yours :p 14:20:04 <dih> length does not matter! 14:20:19 <dih> :-P 14:20:21 <Yexo> Height does: ------------ 14:20:22 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> ËËËËËËËËËËËËËËËËË? 14:20:49 <Yexo> that is no line! :p 14:21:07 *** Touqen_ is now known as Touqen 14:21:08 <Touqen> :/ 14:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> yours isn't either 14:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> the higher it gets, the shorter the segments are ;) 14:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> ·÷~÷· 14:23:56 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 14:24:00 <flowOver> _/\_ mine represents a fractal that gets longer as you shorten the segments 14:24:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:46 <flowOver> good morning btw from canada 14:25:26 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:27 <Belugas> good morning from Quebec, flowOver 14:26:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> good mornging from ... 6 hours ago 14:26:35 <dih> :-P 14:26:38 <flowOver> victoria :) 14:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> where is victoria? 14:29:28 <flowOver> cap of bc, southwest corner. 14:29:40 <Belugas> Geography, dear Eddi|zuHause2... 14:30:04 <flowOver> unlike the rest of canada, it never snows here. if it does its a couple mm at best 14:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> says the guy who gets only 1/3 of the european countries right, heh Belugas? :p 14:30:24 <flowOver> unless you go up a mountain 14:30:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:30:52 <Belugas> me? well.. as if it was required for my daily life :P 14:31:19 <Belugas> i know where my fellow devs are located, that's a very good start! 14:31:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> and how exactly is that different to the geography of canada for me? :p 14:32:13 <Belugas> mmmh... 14:32:14 <Belugas> grnted 14:32:29 * Belugas splashes into silence 14:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> enjoy the silence ;) 14:33:21 <Belugas> heheh... good suggestion 14:33:37 * Belugas will put it on as soon as he finds it 14:33:37 * fjb listens for the silence. 14:33:45 *** sunk [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 14:33:57 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:33:57 *** sunk is now known as sunkan 14:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's easy.. you open amarok and type "silence" in the search bar ;) 14:35:05 <fjb> Not that easy. No amarok installed. 14:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> i wasn't even talking to you :p 14:36:03 <flowOver> what kind of clients you guys have that create audible chatrooms? 14:36:06 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:36:19 <flowOver> i'd rather silence 14:36:43 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:51 *** Gekz___ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:37:26 <fjb> Clients with bells and whistles... 14:37:55 <flowOver> hah that was almost a great pun 14:38:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... bad... civ4 doesn't want to patch because it thinks it isn't installed 14:38:20 <ben_goodger> it was an appalling pun. 14:38:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:38 * ben_goodger hits fjb with the britishhumourbat 14:39:30 * fjb hits ben_goodger with an "I'm German and don't have humor" sign. 14:39:48 <ben_goodger> ow! 14:41:10 *** Gekz__ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:42 *** Gekz___ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:05 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:44:08 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has joined #openttd 14:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> "why we donât hate the germans as much as the french" -- "Hmmm. BMW or Peugeot. Porsche or Renault. Dumb question. Next question, please." 14:45:26 <dih> :-P 14:45:53 <dih> "I'm German and don't have humor" <- if YOU dont have humor, that has nothing to do with being german 14:45:56 <dih> that's just you! 14:46:46 <flowOver> that learn how to speak english commercial from germany was pretty hilarious if you ask me 14:47:29 <flowOver> maybe it was belgium 14:48:10 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cf6bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/01/happy-tag-der-arbeit-germany/ <- you mean one like this? 14:54:36 <flowOver> haha thats a chuckle, but no i had something much more nsfw in mind .. and it's dutch. gofigure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzX04SXfTsg 14:54:55 <flowOver> again nsfw 14:56:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76825.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:41 <dih> what is the blody point of having a static ip if the connection dies all the time.... 14:57:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean gekz? 14:57:33 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cf150.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:44 <flowOver> dih - is it set to static on both the dns and client? 14:57:44 <dih> i mean gekz gekz_ gekz__ gekz___ gekz____ 14:57:58 <dih> flowOver: ? 14:58:13 <flowOver> over your head? 14:58:33 <dih> Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] 14:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> it has "static" in the name ;) 14:59:01 <dih> let my point out the wird static ^ for you 14:59:08 <dih> *word 15:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause> http://nothingforungood.com/unanswered-google-queries/ <- i can't stop laughing about the content of this page... 15:01:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7539E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:52 <flowOver> i've had routers in the past keep dropping until i told it to match the ip to my mac. setting static ip in os isn't the complete ==. 15:03:14 <flowOver> i also only run wired now since i've found wifi to be completely unreliable in all trials 15:04:04 * dih has no wifi issues at all 15:04:28 * Eddi|zuHause has no wifi [issues] at all 15:04:36 <dih> :-P 15:04:47 <flowOver> wifi dropped me repeatedly. radio interference. i haven't tried N spec tho heard it suffers less 15:05:16 <dih> i have g, use a 3com home office device, and an apple power book 12" 15:05:19 <dih> no issues 15:05:31 <flowOver> old microwaves especially mess with the 2.4 band 15:05:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "if i learn german, will i ever actually use it?" -- "No" :P 15:05:54 * Touqen wants a macbook damnit 15:05:56 <ln> try re-routing the main deflector grid array 15:07:07 * flowOver wants a notebook with all the power of mbp without glamour levy 15:07:31 <Touqen> me <3 glamourous. 15:07:39 <Touqen> So much so that I'm going to spell it. 15:07:47 <Touqen> G L A M O R O U S 15:07:58 <dih> we get the picture! 15:08:01 <flowOver> ourous 15:08:02 * Touqen slaps fergie on the ass and rolls out 15:08:13 <dih> wirdo 15:08:47 <Touqen> <-- american 15:08:52 <Touqen> I can spell it however I feel. 15:09:17 <dih> yeah - just... you talk too much :P 15:10:10 <Sacro> @seen thepizzaking 15:10:10 <DorpsGek> Sacro: thepizzaking was last seen in #openttd 29 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 11 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <ThePizzaKing> ah 15:10:15 <Sacro> :( 15:10:26 <flowOver> i think the fact that everyone else spells colour as such is the only truth american's know of the rest of the world 15:10:40 <flowOver> as the status quo gos 15:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "do germans eat with fork and knife" -- 15:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "[Please note, this query came from Canada.] Yes, most Germans eat with fork and knife, though in Bavaria they just use finger and knife." 15:11:53 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:20 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:12 <Touqen> Does the rest of the world use apostrophes to indicate plurals too? 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17:38:16 <Yorick> yeah...I'm working on that 17:38:22 <Yorick> it doesn't like wget so far 17:38:28 <Yorick> and I need that for zlib 17:38:36 <Yorick> and I need zlib for openttd 17:39:41 <Prof_Frink> Heh, I just apt-get build-dep openttd 17:39:58 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cf6bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:12 <Yorick> \/bin/patch permission denied 17:42:56 <TiberiusTeng> Yorick, is it using a multicore CPU ? 17:43:10 <Yorick> yes 17:43:13 <Yorick> it is 17:43:15 <Yorick> dual 17:43:31 <Yorick> C:/msys/1.0/src/wget-1.9.1/src/sysdep.h:271:3: #error "Cannot determine a 32-bit unsigned integer type" 17:43:44 <TiberiusTeng> :( 17:43:49 <Yorick> why? 17:44:08 <TiberiusTeng> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435 17:44:16 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps get a pre-compiled version of wget ? 17:44:27 <TiberiusTeng> I was referring to wget :p 17:44:39 <Eddi|zuHause> TiberiusTeng: imho "programmable waypoints" are much more promising than "programmable signals", as you can influence pathfinder decisions by changing the weight of the current tile 17:45:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and you already have the infrastructure to save additional information there 17:45:15 <TiberiusTeng> ouch, it's not a precompiled version ... 17:45:35 <Belugas> I truely hope no one will ever come with a patch that implements that sucky Clippy stuff :S 17:45:42 <TiberiusTeng> Eddi|zuHause, that's exactly what I'm avoiding ... 17:45:51 <TiberiusTeng> I wish a signal, not a super router :P 17:46:02 <Prof_Frink> It looks like you're trying to build a railway line! 17:46:39 <Yorick> Belugas: nono, Tee Tee 17:46:43 <TiberiusTeng> and the structure for now, interacting with pathfinder is not too friendly with user I think 17:46:53 <Belugas> TeeTee or else... 17:47:02 <Belugas> so fucking bogingly stupid... 17:47:05 <TiberiusTeng> since I can't "prefer" some route, but only "avoid" some route ... 17:47:13 <Eddi|zuHause> iterfacing with the pathfinder is easy... it asks for a weight for a tile, and you give it one 17:47:20 <TiberiusTeng> (without making the path weight unreasonable) 17:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the higher the value, the more the pathfinder will try to avoid that tile 17:47:40 <Yorick> \bin/sh.exe: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file <-- it doesn't like zlib 17:47:40 <TiberiusTeng> yep, exactly what I said :p 17:47:53 <Yorick> ok, enough of this manual installation stuff 17:48:00 <Yorick> bOTTD with my own vista fix 17:48:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "prefering" is easy, just assign a higher value for "uninteresting (default)" waypoints 17:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can get lower with the preferred waypoints 17:48:27 <TiberiusTeng> but for many players (including me) I wish to designate some rules, and say "these trains should go by this route" 17:48:40 <TiberiusTeng> not the other way around 17:48:53 <Yorick> negative penalties don't work 17:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 17:48:59 <TiberiusTeng> that's the point 17:49:07 <Yorick> could bring pathfinders into infinite loops 17:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you assign the default waypoint a weight of 1000 17:49:15 <TiberiusTeng> so I choose not to touch this feature :P 17:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and can get preferred waypoints for 100 (normal tile) 17:50:06 <TiberiusTeng> doing this would require players to put 'same amount of waypoints' at every branch 17:50:19 <Ammler> problem of waypoints is, that you need much more space then for signals. (no waipoints in horizontal or vertical tracks.) 17:50:38 <Yorick> vertical waypoints anyone? 17:50:51 <Prof_Frink> Unless you redesign waypoints 17:51:02 <Prof_Frink> Go via (131,95) 17:51:19 <TiberiusTeng> another reason is that personally I feel these 'operation rules' should bind to a train, rather than bind to a network node ... 17:51:53 <Ammler> Prof_Frink: the problem there will be that it can have 2 different tracks, I assume. 17:53:00 <TiberiusTeng> now I only want to implement 'signal linking' 17:53:01 <Yorick> you can only store 1 waypointid on a tile 17:53:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: problem with signals is you need to account for multiple signals on the same tile 17:54:15 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-141.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 17:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <TiberiusTeng> now I only want to implement 'signal linking' <- you may be getting in immense conflicts with YAPP there 17:55:25 <TiberiusTeng> yeah ... I'm aware of that ... 17:55:41 <TiberiusTeng> actually I'm reading YAPP and distant join patch (for GUI) sources ... 17:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> starting with the default-red policy 17:56:27 <Ammler> btw, is it not possible to make YAPP-Presignals? 17:56:35 <TiberiusTeng> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Image:Priority4.png 17:56:45 <TiberiusTeng> I want to do this without those signal-propgating tracks 17:56:47 <Ammler> just wondering how to make prios and such with YAPP... :-/ 17:57:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: YAPP presignals do not make any sense 17:57:25 <TiberiusTeng> YAPP signals are more like 'routing section boundaries' rather than signals IMO ... 17:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: YAPP priority signals could work with advance reservation 17:58:34 <TiberiusTeng> for me, merely a plate makes more sense (a plate saying 'entering CTC area' for example) 17:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> so like if you place a [non-TTDP-sense] presignal 5 tiles before the mainsignal, the next path is reserved 5 tiles before the previously assigned path ends 17:59:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have a notification that the next path is actually free 18:00:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the longer the ahead reservation is, the more priority has the line 18:01:10 <Eddi|zuHause> (or alternatively you can use this ahead reservation for enforcing a braking distance [difficulty option, trains run red signals if they canot brake] 18:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> +n+) 18:01:24 <Ammler> hmm, signals which let reservation through if possible 18:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no, presignals have no red state, they do not serve as a waiting location 18:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> so they ALWAYS let the reservation through to the next mainsignal 18:02:40 <Ammler> but what's the difference to _no_ signal? 18:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that upon passing this point, the reservation is extended from the next mainsignal onwards 18:03:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so the next mainsignal is either guaranteed to be green [reservation succeeded] or expected to be red [reservation failed, slow down] 18:04:14 <Ammler> slow down but no stop? 18:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> passing a yellow signal means "start to slow down, to be able to stop at the next red signal" 18:05:02 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a41648.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:05:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:05:07 <Yorick> meh, Kaan needs to read my forum posts, I got buildopenttd working on vist...* Compile failed * 18:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause> of course you then can also have "combo signals" that are both presignal and mainsignal 18:06:35 <ln> president Bjarni 18:06:41 <TiberiusTeng> Eddi|zuHause, is it a current behaviour ? 18:06:45 <Eddi|zuHause> no 18:06:46 <TiberiusTeng> sounds really useful to me 18:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but i think it should be relatively easy to extend YAPP that way 18:07:10 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: just imagine a Mainline, with 2 trains on same line, the front train passing such a signal and has to stop accidentially, what happens with the train behind? 18:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: there must be another signal between the two trains 18:07:57 <Yorick> Prof_Frink: it doesn't compile at all :( 18:08:36 <Yorick> which means that I am gonna get virtualpc 18:09:10 <Prof_Frink> Yorick: The term "Fail." comes to mind. 18:09:25 <Yorick> the term vista does here 18:09:37 <Prof_Frink> you could, of course, give yourself to the penguin 18:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: basically, if you have combo signals along the track, signal distance would be exactly 1km, and there have to be two signals between trains, so that the last signal behind the train is red, and the signal before that is yellow 18:10:27 <TiberiusTeng> get rid of vista :P 18:10:34 <Ammler> how far has the cap to be? 18:10:35 <Yorick> then what? 18:10:39 <Prof_Frink> penguins. 18:10:45 <Ammler> (between 2 trains) 18:10:45 <Prof_Frink> herony penguins. 18:10:52 <Yorick> the drivers for this laptop don't exist for xp anymore 18:10:59 <TiberiusTeng> or XP 18:11:07 <Yorick> g++.exe: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory 18:11:10 <TiberiusTeng> ... what kind of drivers you need ? 18:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> signal states of a mainsignal are "stop (red)", "go (green)" 18:11:39 <Yorick> try looking up Acer Ferrari 5000 18:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> signal states of a presignal are "expect stop (yellow/yellow)", "expect go (green/green)" 18:11:51 * Prof_Frink assigns Yorick as a target for the mind-control ray 18:12:17 <Eddi|zuHause> in the easy variant, combo signals would be a presignal and a mainsignal next to each other 18:12:21 <Yorick> it should just run MINGW 18:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> there are more complicated designs (HL, Ks, ...) in use in germany 18:12:51 <Ammler> Yorick: I used BOTTD to install mingw :-) 18:13:00 <Yorick> Ammler, so did I 18:13:06 <Yorick> and bottd runs 18:13:13 <Yorick> just mingw has a problem 18:13:18 <Ammler> hmm 18:13:19 <Yorick> shared data directory... none 18:13:21 <Yorick> installation directory... / 18:13:22 <Yorick> ./configure: /mingw/bin/gcc: Invalid argument 18:13:24 <Yorick> ./configure: [: -ge: unary operator expecte 18:13:26 <Yorick> Ammler, vista? 18:13:34 <Eddi|zuHause> 'realistic' signals also have a "go with speed limit" state, but i think we can omit those here :p 18:13:48 <Ammler> no vista anymore, upgraded to XP 18:13:55 <TiberiusTeng> hmm I don't think it has something that can't be driven under XP ... 18:14:25 <Ammler> speed limits signals would also be nice :-) 18:14:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, semaphores with two bars would be cute ;) 18:14:58 <Ammler> using bridges is not that optimal :-) 18:15:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: imho, speedlimits should be order based 18:15:22 <TiberiusTeng> Mobile Radeon X1600 (gosh I hate ATI), Atheros LAN/WLAN ... 18:15:26 <TiberiusTeng> all have XP drivers I believe 18:15:33 <Eddi|zuHause> "go to waypoint XY with max spee 120km/h" 18:15:44 <Eddi|zuHause> +d 18:15:52 <Bjarni> TiberiusTeng: newsflash: not everybody uses XP 18:15:53 <Ammler> that is difficult from the view of cooper 18:16:07 <Ammler> network builder and train buyer isn't the same person. 18:16:13 <TiberiusTeng> Bjarni, I do aware of that :P 18:16:34 <Yorick> TiberiusTeng: orbicam? 18:17:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: well, there is a space issue in the map to save a speedlimit for each railtile, besides it would add a hell lot of micromanagement 18:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> again an alternative to that would be progammable waypoints 18:17:48 <Ammler> same problem if you have to configure every train. 18:17:59 <Eddi|zuHause> to say "do not proceed faster than 80km/h beyond this point, until limit is revoked" 18:18:17 <Ammler> (or onetile bridge) :-) 18:18:22 <Bjarni> TiberiusTeng: I wonder about one thing though. Why do you care about drivers? 18:18:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it would help space-wise if waypoints would be placed between tiles, not on tiles 18:18:34 <Yorick> because I want to upgrade to xp 18:18:37 <Yorick> from vista 18:18:45 <Bjarni> ahh 18:19:01 <Prof_Frink> penguinpenguinpenguinpenguinpenguin 18:19:04 <Bjarni> why not go all the way when you upgrade anyway? 18:19:07 <TiberiusTeng> http://www.driverstock.com/Acer-Ferrari-5000-driver-download/4-21-12895/index.html 18:19:35 <Yorick> Bjarni: does linux have drivers for my wlan, bluetooth, orbicam? 18:19:50 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: despite popular believes Linux will not solves everything 18:19:56 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Lies. 18:20:41 <Bjarni> like this particular teaching assistant. He should help people with coding in C and his universal answer was: use linux and GCC 18:20:48 <Bjarni> even when the error was something like missing ; 18:21:04 <Yorick> g++.exe: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory 18:21:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: "No alcohol is no solution either." 18:21:24 <TiberiusTeng> meh, the site waits a minute to generate security code, for which only gave me a link back to acer's file. 18:21:31 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: it is 18:21:57 <Bjarni> I do fine on no alcohol 18:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Yorick: i assume missing PATH entry 18:22:21 <Yorick> if I cannot compile openttd in here, it'd be a serious defacement 18:22:28 <Yorick> Eddi: a path to where? 18:22:38 <Yorick> where should I be finding cc1plus 18:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause> in wherever/you/installed/mingw/bin/ 18:23:05 <Yorick> it also says installation directory... / 18:23:07 <Yorick> ./configure: /mingw/bin/gcc: Invalid argument 18:23:09 <Yorick> ./configure: [: -ge: unary operator expected 18:24:27 <TiberiusTeng> cc1plus is not in the bin directory, but stored in gcc specs 18:24:37 <TiberiusTeng> did you run them in sh ? 18:24:52 <Yorick> I installed bottd 18:25:02 <TiberiusTeng> do a sh --login, don't run them directly with vista's cmd.exe ... 18:25:09 <Yorick> I don't 18:25:13 <TiberiusTeng> never used bottd before ... can't help then 18:25:16 <Yorick> I'm running them from sh 18:27:39 <TiberiusTeng> http://support.acer-euro.com/drivers/notebook/ferrari5000.html 18:27:51 <Yorick> http://pastebin.org/47385 18:27:55 <TiberiusTeng> ouch, it do have webcam drivers for XP direcly from official support page ... 18:28:09 <TiberiusTeng> I went a long way around ... 18:29:18 <TiberiusTeng> hmm, my mingw won't run gcc from /mingw/gcc ... 18:30:16 <Yorick> neither does mine 18:32:55 <TiberiusTeng> I guess you installed both MSYS and MinGW ? 18:33:41 <Yorick> yes 18:33:51 <TiberiusTeng> I set PATH=C:\MSYS\bin;C:\MinGW\bin;%PATH% and do 'sh --login', and everything works ... 18:34:04 <TiberiusTeng> but I'm not really sure if it's a vista problem 18:35:35 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 18:36:44 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:37:30 <Yorick> O 18:37:32 <Yorick> ll try that 18:41:46 <Yorick> http://pastebin.org/47387 :( 18:52:18 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 18:56:46 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:59 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:39 *** stefanpreugschat [stefanpreu@e177217170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:11:30 *** stefanpreugschat [stefanpreu@e177217170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 19:12:03 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cf262.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:52 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfd40.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-95.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:35:26 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-082.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:36:08 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:38:33 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:41:05 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 19:52:31 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:54:36 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 20:02:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:08:16 <TiberiusTeng> Yorick, put MSYS and MinGW at C:\ 20:08:22 <TiberiusTeng> not in a subdirectory ... 20:08:32 <TiberiusTeng> I remember there's something nasty hardcoded 20:08:39 <Yorick> I remember there isn't 20:08:49 <Yorick> because it worked on xp in those subdirs 20:09:20 <TiberiusTeng> hmm :( 20:10:11 <TiberiusTeng> http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=67297 20:10:59 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps you can try if this works ... 20:12:40 <Yorick> I'll have a look 20:14:36 <Yorick> currently setting the permissions 20:16:56 <Wolf01> 'night 20:16:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:19:03 *** CIA-3 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it's weird when you just skim over the text when two lines merge... 20:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> you suddenly read "nightly" and get all interested 20:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but then it's just rubbish 20:22:25 <Yorick> TiberiusTeng: hmm, no, I added it to msys.bat and it didn't work :( 20:23:04 * Bjarni notes that he should make sure the include the word "nightly" quite often in his reports to ensure that people stay interested 20:23:06 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time the "%PATH%" variable expansion was not working outside a .bat file directly on the command line 20:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: your logic is flawed... that would be like adding boobs to commercials to get people interested... wait... 20:29:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "$ print %PATH%" <- you might have meant "echo $PATH" 20:30:09 <Yorick> yes 20:30:49 <ccfreak2k> Bjarni, slip in the occasional PENIS too. 20:30:50 <Yorick> Generating Makefile... 20:30:51 <Yorick> ./configure: /mingw/bin/gcc: Invalid argument 20:30:53 <Yorick> Generating lang/Makefile... 20:30:55 <Yorick> ./configure: /mingw/bin/gcc: Invalid argument 20:30:57 <Yorick> Generating objs/Makefile... 20:32:57 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a "verbose" mode? 20:33:27 <Rubidium> bash -x ./configure 20:33:50 <Rubidium> though config.log (or something like that) should give quite a lot of information too 20:36:19 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:30 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@212-198-248-33.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #openttd 20:39:21 *** jenny20 [~jenny20@212-198-248-33.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [] 20:41:29 <Yorick> this is what config log gives me: http://pastebin.org/47421 20:43:17 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's definitely your gcc/mingw installation 20:44:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C22F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:53 <Yorick> and what did I do wrong? 20:44:59 <Yorick> I copied it from xp 20:45:05 <Yorick> and it worked there 20:45:12 <Rubidium> Yorick: # 20:45:12 <Rubidium> # 20:45:14 <Rubidium> returned g++.exe: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': No such file or directory 20:45:20 <ccfreak2k> Heh, PeerGuardian2 blocks svn.openttd.org by default. 20:45:32 <Yorick> yes, I got that 20:45:47 <Yorick> cc1plus: where should I be finding that? 20:45:55 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 20:46:27 <Rubidium> /usr/lib/gcc/<arch>/<version>/cc1plus 20:46:38 <Rubidium> or /usr/libexec/gcc/<arch>/<version>/cc1plus 20:52:34 <ccfreak2k> TiberiusTeng, did you roll my sdlgl driver into your opengl diff? 20:53:16 <Yorick> ah, soved one error 20:53:21 <Yorick> it's not preproccessing 20:53:25 <Yorick> now* 20:56:27 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, yes, already in the patch. 21:00:05 <Yorick> weeh, it works :) 21:00:13 <Yorick> thank you rubidium, tiberiusteng 21:00:25 <Yorick> you made my life worth living on this laptop 21:02:11 <Bjarni> <ccfreak2k> Bjarni, slip in the occasional PENIS too. <-- that would be childish 21:02:49 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: your logic is flawed... that would be like adding boobs to commercials to get people interested... wait... <-- surely we know that the female body has never been used to sell products totally unrelated to females 21:02:52 <Bjarni> like cars 21:02:55 <Bjarni> and beer 21:03:09 <ccfreak2k> <Bjarni> <ccfreak2k> Bjarni, slip in the occasional PENIS too. <-- that would be childish 21:03:10 <ccfreak2k> And? 21:03:10 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:57 <Bjarni> I once saw a commercial for a beer where the guy spots a not so nice looking woman. With every sip of the beer she becomes prettier and eventually becomes horny 21:04:26 <Bjarni> when the beer glass was empty she reverted back to the original look and the guy quickly orders another beer 21:05:14 <eekee> ack! 21:05:14 <Bjarni> I have also seen a naked woman swimming underwater in a pool.... now what do you think they wanted to sell by displaying this? 21:05:39 <eekee> watches? 21:05:46 <Bjarni> no 21:05:59 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:06:03 * eekee picked the least related thing that came to mind 21:06:37 <Bjarni> it is related to watches... or at least the root of that word "watch" :P 21:07:06 <eekee> glasses? Spectacles? 21:07:11 <Bjarni> xD 21:07:30 <eekee> :D 21:08:28 <Bjarni> you misunderstood me 21:08:47 <Bjarni> the product is unrelated to "watches" or "watch" 21:09:03 <Bjarni> the aim of the commercial is to get people watching 21:09:16 <Bjarni> but the product has nothing to do with watching 21:09:43 <Bjarni> maybe I wasn't quite clear in my reply 21:09:45 <eekee> oh, well I'm lost then 21:09:58 <Bjarni> anybody else? 21:11:31 <Bjarni> I guess not 21:11:38 <Bjarni> the product is: 21:11:43 <Bjarni> bottled mineral water 21:12:51 * Belugas goes home 21:12:54 <Belugas> time to rest 21:12:58 <eekee> lol! Evian by any chance? I remember they had some wierd adverts involving aked women over here 21:13:27 <Bjarni> actually I think it was Carlsberg 21:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that beer? 21:14:03 <Bjarni> they sell root beer and mineral water as well 21:14:51 <eekee> ah, I think it was carlsberg that had some funky-wierd advert over here some years ago, but haven't seen any lately 21:16:22 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57DAB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:41 <Bjarni> the commercials I just mentioned aren't on TV anymore 21:16:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57DAB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:16:54 <Bjarni> I think they are at least 5 years old 21:17:02 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:03 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a73.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F57DAB.versanet.de] has quit [] 21:22:04 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 21:23:31 <eekee> ok 21:24:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d000f28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:46 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27:30 *** penguinmessiah [~PENGUINLO@c-71-194-155-98.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:09 <penguinmessiah> kk 21:28:21 <penguinmessiah> should i use the ttd graphics or not? 21:28:25 <penguinmessiah> what look better? 21:30:05 <Bjarni> it's not a question of what looks better 21:30:12 <Bjarni> it's a question of what the alternative is 21:30:18 <Bjarni> right now there is no alternative 21:30:36 <Bjarni> nobody made a full set of sprites 21:30:38 <penguinmessiah> so i have no choice to use it 21:30:47 <peter1138> FORCED INTO IT, SON 21:31:24 <penguinmessiah> :( 21:31:37 <Bjarni> the graphics aren't that bad 21:31:53 <Bjarni> but if you lack the graphics files then you have a problem 21:31:53 <penguinmessiah> wtf... how muchs hould the dl be for ttd 21:32:07 <Bjarni> 650 mb 21:32:26 <penguinmessiah> kk 21:32:40 <peter1138> millibits? 21:32:40 <penguinmessiah> anyone have the link to dl it off hand 21:32:46 <penguinmessiah> mb 21:32:55 <peter1138> yeah 21:33:01 <peter1138> file://d:/ttd/ 21:33:05 <peter1138> oh damn 21:33:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C22F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:08 <Bjarni> I meant Mb 21:33:41 <peter1138> penguinmessiah: www.justfuckinggoogleit.com 21:33:47 <peter1138> Megabits? 21:34:00 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac85a73.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:34:21 <Bjarni> MB 21:37:46 <Eddi|zuHause> third time is the charm ;) 21:39:55 <ccfreak2k> It really isn't that hard to find. 21:40:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1C41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:18 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 21:44:39 <eekee> is it acceptable to modify the original graphics for a grf? 21:45:00 <Ammler> you wouldn't be the first :-) 21:45:11 <eekee> :) 21:45:12 <Bjarni> eekee: what do you think? :) 21:45:31 <eekee> think? That sounds like work ^^' 21:45:58 <Bjarni> oh that newspaper has a nice picture in it. Let me scan it and use photoshop on it. Since I edited it I gained the copyright to distribute it 21:46:09 <eekee> lolol 21:46:35 <ccfreak2k> He never said he was going to distribute it. 21:46:52 <eekee> I know it's not technically right, but it's pretty-much the only way I could make a grf -- and yeah I'd like to distribute 21:46:58 <Bjarni> you can do whatever you like on your own HD 21:47:00 <ccfreak2k> I must've missed the memo. Is it "Bjarni pegs everyone with copyright infringement day"? 21:47:10 <eekee> I modded a lot of tiles workign towards a lunar tileset 21:47:19 <Bjarni> I presume even if you break any laws/rules, nobody would notice if you never start distributing anything 21:47:30 <eekee> true, true 21:47:35 <ccfreak2k> Bjarni, nobody would notice because it's not illegal. 21:48:02 <Bjarni> yeah 21:48:02 <ccfreak2k> Well, not here in the United States. 21:48:30 <ccfreak2k> It's when you actually start distributing that things get messy. 21:48:40 <Bjarni> yeah 21:49:01 <Ammler> Oh that game is nice. Let me decompile it, use c on it. Since I edited it, I gained the copyright to disribute it.... 21:49:22 <ccfreak2k> Ammler, a "clean-room implementation" is acceptable. 21:50:00 <ccfreak2k> Of course, the difference between that and a straight port is very small if any AFTER the code is written. 21:50:25 <Bjarni> but it would be rather pointless to modify a TTD grf to allow the game to use it instead of the original TTD grf to avoid the dependancy on the original files if you can't distribute your modified version 21:50:36 <Bjarni> since you would already have the original grf files to do this 21:50:56 <ccfreak2k> Well, I'm not versed enough in GRFs to be able to answer that. 21:51:23 <Bjarni> think of a grf file as a collection of png files 21:51:29 <eekee> not pointless if it's so different that it feels like a new expreience 21:51:38 <eekee> *experience 21:51:49 <Bjarni> you would need to draw new ones to gain a replacement grf 21:52:26 <TiberiusTeng> what kind of 'modification', on what sprites, I wonder ? 21:52:27 <eekee> oh from that perspective; yeah. I was thinking more of a new climate for the fun of it 21:53:10 <eekee> I might be able to make passable terrain tiles; hmm 21:54:07 <TiberiusTeng> I wonder if those presignals/PBS signals are completely redrawn without referring to original signals, for example ... even for those projection/prespective/shadow/size matter ... :p 21:54:31 <eekee> Oh I'm sure there's at least some referece! 21:55:23 <ccfreak2k> Why bother completely redrawing it? The originals are there, so use those as a base. 21:55:35 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 21:55:48 <ccfreak2k> Can I build a win32 openttd with SDL support? 21:55:56 <TiberiusTeng> if TT(D)'s released under some CC license ... well nevermind. 21:56:01 <TiberiusTeng> ccfreak2k, I believe you can ... 21:56:09 <TiberiusTeng> but I never tried and too lazy to try XD 21:56:18 <ccfreak2k> Same. 21:56:20 <ccfreak2k> Apparently GDI is fast enough. 21:58:05 <TiberiusTeng> oh, by the way, did you saved those kcachegrind profiling results ? 21:58:29 <TiberiusTeng> I've got KCachegrind in my Linux running inside VMware ... 21:59:15 <ccfreak2k> I did save them. 21:59:35 <TiberiusTeng> wondering if I can check the results myself. since VMware doesn't support OpenGL acceleration I can't profile them with cachegrind myself ... 22:01:07 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/callgrind.out.32bpp-anim 22:01:13 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/callgrind.out.32bpp-optimized 22:01:17 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/callgrind.out.8bpp-optimized 22:01:20 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/callgrind.out.sdlgl 22:03:08 <TiberiusTeng> thanks! 22:05:38 <TiberiusTeng> hmm error 403. 22:06:01 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 22:07:01 <ccfreak2k> http://ccfreak2k.loliserv.org/callgrind.tar 22:07:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80559.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:37 <ccfreak2k> Use file(1) to determine if it's a tar or a tar.bz2 or whatever. 22:08:56 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 22:10:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82ADE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:10:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:13:33 <TiberiusTeng> gotcha, thanks. 22:34:20 <Ammler> possible that trunk can't load 0.6.1 save? 22:35:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:21 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 22:39:27 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-181-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:40:51 <glx> Ammler: shouldn't happen* 22:41:28 <Ammler> well, it is late, tried that save with trunk: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=705310#p705310 22:42:07 <Ammler> it loads as described with 0.6.1 but not with trunk... 22:43:06 <Ammler> good night all 22:43:20 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zzz 22:43:23 *** Osai^zzz is now known as Osai^zZz 22:45:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C22F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:05 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:19 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 22:47:54 *** glx is now known as Guest2932 22:47:55 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:48:23 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-157-76-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: THAT'S NOT MUD] 22:50:38 *** Guest2932 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:12 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai^zZz`off 22:59:51 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:37 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:25 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:05:49 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:07:46 <ln> does this sound like proper english: "If you find a valid card, please post it to the above address - it will earn you a reward."? 23:08:19 <ccfreak2k> Replace the hyphen with a semicolon. 23:08:22 <ccfreak2k> Otherwise, yes. 23:08:42 <ccfreak2k> "post" is a typical verb which means "mail" here in the United States. 23:08:51 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:09:24 <ln> hmm, ok. that was the actual text from one of the cards in my wallet. 23:10:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:38 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:43 <ln> the part after the hyphen sounded unnatural to my non-native ears (or eyes). 23:12:21 <ccfreak2k> Well, what's the context? 23:15:10 <ln> well, it's a debit card which the bank requests to be returned to them in case you find one e.g. on the street. 23:15:40 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:19:52 <ccfreak2k> Here in the United States, it's typical to just have "if found, return to: <address>" 23:22:55 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:07 <Bjarni> I have seen that on keys 23:25:54 <Bjarni> and brilliantly they carry a number and an address for some company. That company can then look up which of their customers who owns the key 23:26:19 <Bjarni> meaning the key itself will not tell what unguarded warehouse or whatever it can open 23:27:00 <Bjarni> I have never actually heard of lost keys with that system though 23:27:06 <Sacro> ln: no, extra comma 23:27:42 <Sacro> "If you find this card please post it to the above address, a reward is available" 23:29:15 <Bjarni> I once found a train ticket (one with long duration with a name on it for regular travellers)... the guy had put it into my bag for some odd reason 23:30:24 <Bjarni> he then blamed me for stealing it after I had handed it in 23:31:03 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:31:11 <Bjarni> but you should know that generally you risk losing whatever you put in other people's bags :P 23:31:41 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:32:13 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:12 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:46 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 23:39:33 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9192.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 23:50:51 *** lobstar_MB is now known as lobster_MB