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has joined #openttd 08:50:52 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-166.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:59:26 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:31 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:50 *** TiberiusTeng [Tiberius@140.120.15.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:13:45 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5559C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:52 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:14 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.35.Static.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 09:18:11 <dih> WAKEUP... 09:18:13 <dih> ...lazies! 09:18:18 <dih> :-P 09:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> *yawn* 09:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> who is shouting that early in the morning?!? 09:19:13 <Yorick> DIH 09:19:27 <dih> i think i need to expand my ignore list! 09:20:21 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5559C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:44 <Yorick> dih: I think I need to delete that folder called "/usr/projecs/rcongui" 09:22:11 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:22:21 <Vikthor> dih: You are doing it wrong, if you want to wake the channel up, you have to go like: "Hi I finished programmable signals patch, anybody to test it?" Or at least " Hi I fixed bug #xyz, can somebody review my patch?" :p 09:23:18 <dih> nah 09:23:29 <Yorick> Vikthor: dih likes shouting 09:23:31 <dih> i have my work to do and that will not be released for a while 09:23:43 <dih> Yorick: i dont care what you do with rcon gui 09:24:19 <Yorick> *you* don't 09:24:49 <dih> nope 09:24:52 <dih> _i_ dont 09:25:20 <Yorick> now I know more people than only you :) 09:25:21 <dih> pm and Ammler more likely will care ;-) 09:25:33 <Yorick> that's what I said 09:25:51 <dih> you annoy me 09:26:10 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 09:26:14 <Yorick> you annoy me 09:26:29 <dih> you have to repeat me on everything i say? 09:26:42 <Yorick> ^^ 09:28:27 <dih> well at least that is settled 09:29:05 <HaloMaster> well at least that is settled 09:29:09 <HaloMaster> xD 09:29:12 <HaloMaster> j/k 09:29:32 <Yorick> j/k 09:29:56 <HaloMaster> lol 09:30:10 * HaloMaster waits 09:30:58 * Yorick waits 09:31:39 <Vikthor> Waiting for a kick? :p 09:31:57 *** curson [~curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:32:00 * dih ignores *!~yorick@*.adsl.wanadoo.nl & *!~osiris@*.ip.adam.com.au 09:32:20 <Yorick> dih has it his way 09:32:38 <Yorick> we'll unignore me tomorrow 09:32:45 <Yorick> I know he will 09:33:02 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:24 <Yorick> he can't stay angry at me more than 1 day :( 09:33:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has joined #openttd 09:33:28 <Yorick> :)* 09:34:08 <dih> what a bunch of annoying kidds 09:34:44 <Yorick> see you haven't even ignored me 09:35:06 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:52 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Yet... 09:36:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> dih: well you had to wake them up, it's entirely your fault :P 09:36:35 <dih> well - yeah - i can see that 09:36:38 <dih> i appologize 09:36:43 <dih> to the entire channel 09:36:52 <dih> (apprt of those on my ignore list :-P) 09:38:02 <dih> the tunnels thread has been amazingly quiet 09:38:07 <dih> it's a real shame :-P 09:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have never seen this ominous tunnel thread... 09:38:43 <dih> Draakon basically makes a fool of him self in every post he makes :-P 09:39:08 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:59 <dih> talking of lunch... it's nearly time to start thinking what to eat today.... 09:40:08 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 09:41:33 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: not worth a usual TTDP/OTTD thread. 09:41:52 <dih> the thread is awsome 09:41:55 <dih> it's hillarious 09:42:08 <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=37737 09:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> i remember having read the very beginning of this thread 09:42:42 <dih> get to some ot the Draakon posts 09:43:02 <dih> and you will hava the giggle fits :-P 09:43:08 <Noldo> What is that you are really talking about? 09:43:36 <dih> a thread? 09:45:20 <Noldo> in it 09:45:55 <Noldo> ok. I get the have to register the licence but is there something else 09:45:56 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:46:57 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Oh boy, this guy's the genius eh? :P 09:47:21 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Draakon - Brain = Not very much worth talking about? 09:47:41 <dih> he is claming that copyright does not exist in estonia 09:48:03 <dih> and therefore it is not of interest to him :-P 09:48:13 <dih> or any other license 09:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's such a pain reading "there" which totally does not fit in the sentence and then trying to figure out whether they actually ment "their" or "they're" 09:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> especially for someone speaking english as a foreign language 09:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> and it's always native speakers who make such horrible mistakes 09:50:12 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Hehe 09:50:16 <dih> :-P 09:50:24 <Doorslammer|BRSet> We have a few other 'morons' in other forums at the moment too 09:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'm dead serious 09:50:34 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Been an entertaining few weeks for me :D 09:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> and i'm not even talking about draakon 09:50:45 <dih> which post? 09:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> "That Guy" on the second page 09:51:57 <dih> never even bothered reading that post i think 09:52:21 <dih> oh - yes i do 09:52:25 <dih> remember that is 09:53:29 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F5559C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:53:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's funny how maquinista hid the fact that rails on tunnels look totally weird by running a train over them :p 09:53:41 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489B40D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:21 <Doorslammer|BRSet> I wouldnt have thought rails on tunnels was important in any way 09:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is for the ultra-minimalistic fitting of junctions 09:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can save 2 tiles on the signal distance before and after the tunnel 09:55:21 <dih> :-P 09:55:31 <dih> i could imagine it being useful 09:55:37 <dih> but then i dont really play 09:56:27 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Hmm, so only a real benefit for those fixated on making 'the holy grail of junctions' 09:56:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> but the use fades towards zero when you actually have flexible tunnels/bridges 09:58:22 <dih> i am not sure i ever saw a screeny of it in action... 09:59:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5559C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:35 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Hmmm, basetunnels... 10:00:43 <Doorslammer|BRSet> I dont think that works on OTTD anyway 10:13:58 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Wow, that was rather stupid eh? 10:16:20 <MorgyN> so when are underground networks being patched in? *flees* 10:17:54 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Ask Draakon, he is the master that knows everything :P 10:18:01 <Doorslammer|BRSet> So he told me anyway... :D 10:19:02 <dih> 2000-never 10:21:01 <MorgyN> that soon?! awesome. 10:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> well... SmatZ made a prototype implementation, but then he got... distracted 10:25:59 <dih> he's not online yet... :-( 10:26:36 <dih> @seen SmatZ 10:26:36 <DorpsGek> dih: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 16 hours, 39 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <SmatZ> mmm 10:26:39 <dih> uh 10:28:50 <Gekz> ÉŸ 10:29:03 <MorgyN> so we put the tracks here...station under the.... ooh, kittens! 10:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gekz: you should get that thing checked 10:30:13 <Gekz> Lol! 10:30:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 10:43:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:01 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:22 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:09 <Noldo> the enginepool controversy seems to have died 10:52:47 <Gekz> :o 10:54:10 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 10:55:46 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:08 <Ammler> Noldo: but the problem still exists... 10:58:33 *** Zealotus [~Ping@217-211-211-179-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:03:41 <Noldo> new feature, it would be quite supricing if there were no problems 11:04:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:04:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's not a problem, it's a misconception 11:06:20 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E7F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:33 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:08:33 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.134.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:52 *** thingwath [~thingwath@heimdall.palisada.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:13:17 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.134.101] has joined #openttd 11:17:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:17:22 *** dragonhorseboy [4a3a1a93@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 11:18:11 <dragonhorseboy> just curious about it but any of you have any thought on what could be the lowest system openttd could possible run on? (256x256 to 1024x256 maps .. no ecs anyhow) 11:18:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82.171.220.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:17 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 11:22:01 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:30 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:26:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 11:26:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 11:29:09 *** Devastator [devastator@78-62-105-165.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 11:29:57 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 11:30:04 *** Devastator [devastator@78-62-105-165.static.zebra.lt] has quit [] 11:33:21 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 11:33:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:39:58 <dih> dragonhorseboy: nope 11:40:01 <dih> try it 11:40:44 *** De_Ghosty [~s@CPE001d7e66291b-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:44 <dragonhorseboy> dih meh I'm wondering what ram amount to allocate ^-^ 11:40:49 <dih> it's a pretty vague question... number of industries, towns, vehicles, ships, what pathfinder 11:41:01 <dragonhorseboy> hmm 11:41:04 <dih> yep 11:41:33 <dragonhorseboy> how about assume 'normal' default industries&towns .. dbsetxl for about 60-70 trainsets .. and just a few oil ships? 11:41:45 <dragonhorseboy> or still hard to tell 11:42:08 <dih> 60-70 trainsets? 11:42:17 <orudge> Yexo: I'm here now 11:42:24 <orudge> joachim: I'm also here now 11:42:30 <dragonhorseboy> dih yeah 11:42:36 <Yexo> orudge: I was helping joachim :) 11:42:41 <dih> i did not know there were that many trainsets 11:42:44 <orudge> Yexo: ah, heh 11:42:54 <dih> 60-70 trains is something different - if you mean that :-P 11:43:06 <dragonhorseboy> dih hehehe yeah :p 11:43:08 <dih> ships are evil, esp. if run with yapf 11:43:33 <dih> if it's a dedicated server, you can do more as you save a lot on the drawing 11:43:51 <dih> still - i would not go with ships if you are trying to save resources 11:43:55 <dragonhorseboy> evil? umm where did that came from? 11:44:05 <Yexo> dih: you're right, but that's more because it takes a lot of cpu, not memory 11:44:07 <dragonhorseboy> I've ran a lot of ships with no issue on low-memory ttdx ^-^ 11:44:11 <Noldo> I wonder why nobody cares about ship pathfinging 11:44:22 <dragonhorseboy> (and only about 50-60mhz no less) 11:44:43 <dih> Yexo: 13:18 < dragonhorseboy> just curious about it but any of you have any thought on what could be the lowest system openttd could possible run on? 11:44:46 <Yexo> dragonhorseboy: as dih said, it's mainly a concern when using yapf 11:45:18 <Yexo> dih: <dragonhorseboy> dih meh I'm wondering what ram amount to allocate :p 11:45:35 <Noldo> Yexo: npf suffers with ships too 11:45:50 <dih> no - npf does not suffer... the cpu does :-D 11:45:55 <Noldo> haha :) 11:46:29 <Noldo> I hope kudr did benchmarks against npf when he did yapf 11:47:18 <dih> :P 11:48:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E2F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:37 <dih> dragonhorseboy: rather explain what you are up to, and then ask the question again ;-) 11:51:11 <dragonhorseboy> dih..just wondering if openttd perhaps could run on my main system or I'll just stick to only reading some threads on forums at times for good 11:51:48 <Noldo> use 64*64 map and you might be fine 11:52:38 <dih> with no ships 128^2 or 256^2 should be fine too 11:53:25 <Noldo> or ships with opf 11:54:29 <dih> :-D 11:54:35 <dih> and buoys every 2 tiles :-P 11:55:06 <dih> yapf + buoys is pretty good too - if you place them like every 10 - 15 tiles 11:55:41 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:04 <Noldo> it might be worth it to give warning when the distance between orders is to big 11:56:24 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:27 <Noldo> with opf it gives an error, doesn't it? 11:56:32 <dragonhorseboy> yeah it does 11:57:06 <dragonhorseboy> and I usually use the buoys almost as far as they would go .. just call me saving a bit money and a possible eyesore sight (eg too many buoys visible from one place on shoreline) 11:57:06 <dragonhorseboy> :p 11:57:27 <dih> at cpu cost :-P 11:57:37 <dragonhorseboy> not really 11:57:41 <dih> which - if i recall your question - you dont have all that much spare of anyway 11:58:01 <dragonhorseboy> then will someone explain why openttd is more bugged than ttdx for the same thing? ;) 11:58:33 <Noldo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=35655 11:58:37 <dih> you just dont know what bugs exist in ttdx 11:58:46 <dragonhorseboy> dih..I do 11:58:47 <dih> + open has just a few more features 11:59:44 <dih> if you have more fingers than a usual human being, then it's a handfull :-P 11:59:52 <dih> *slighly more fingers 12:00:13 <Noldo> more bugged? 12:01:58 <dih> does anybody feel like writing a plugin for znc? (znc.sf.net) 12:02:09 <dih> perl or c++ :-P 12:02:26 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E7F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:39 <peter1138> le sigh 12:05:53 *** peter1138 changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches | No idiots | 12:05:59 <peter1138> oh well 12:06:10 <peter1138> dragonhorseboy: BUGGED does not mean BUGGY 12:06:16 <dih> :-P 12:06:20 <dih> hi peter1138 12:07:58 * Forked stares at that last part of the topic 12:08:01 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:08:01 * Forked goes afk, crying 12:09:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54418bdb.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:10:35 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 12:13:39 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English Only | http://bugs.openttd.org/ for all related bugs/patches | No idiots | 12:14:44 <MorgyN> oh bugger, didn't see the last part. *parts* 12:17:56 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 12:20:00 <ln-> no away nicks 12:20:48 <peter1138> that's not in the topic :) 12:21:01 <ln-> no, but should be 12:21:19 <dih> ln-: Osai has been doing that for months... if you only notice now you should pay more attention :-P 12:30:37 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 12:30:49 <Smoky555> hi all 12:31:15 <Smoky555> can somebody help me with cross-compiling in linux for windows? 12:31:53 <dih> #gcc ? 12:32:33 <Smoky555> no... compilling without any errors, but when linking ... 12:32:34 <Noldo> there might be something in the wiki an also compilefarm has some stuff in the mercurial 12:33:06 <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=705771#p705771 <- i was hoping his next post to be more funny 12:33:55 <Ammler> dih: not since months, since ever... 12:35:13 <Smoky555> Noldo: i make all such in a wiki (include libpng and zlib), i also compile SDL libs for mingw... but in a stage "linking openttd.exe" i have error "fontcache.o:fontcache.cpp:(.text+0x124): undefined reference to `_FT_New_Face'" and "heightmap.o:heightmap.cpp:(.text+0x30d): undefined reference to `_png_create_read_struct'" 12:35:13 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:45 <dih> Ammler: since the bouncer? 12:35:49 <dih> else he used to quite 12:35:51 <dih> *quit 12:36:06 <Ammler> but he renamed too 12:36:29 <Ammler> Kendo, zZz and what else... 12:36:42 <Noldo> Smoky555: you don't have all the needed libraries 12:36:44 <dih> point being, ln- never complained before... 12:37:09 <Yexo> Smoky555: try configuring with ./configure --without-libpng --without-libfreetype 12:37:23 <Yexo> you won't have png support, but that works for me 12:37:26 <Ammler> In- did, also to you :P 12:37:38 <Noldo> I ? isn't it l 12:37:45 <Ammler> :-) 12:37:49 <Ammler> sorry 12:38:10 <Ammler> that's why tabcompletation didn't function :-) 12:38:11 <Doorslammer|BRSet> dih: Ill send him round an excavator for the hole he is making 12:38:15 <dih> lol 12:38:19 <dih> or IoI 12:38:20 <dih> ? 12:38:25 <Noldo> :D 12:38:28 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Both 12:38:39 <Ammler> I might need to change my font. 12:40:43 <Doorslammer|BRSet> LOL 12:40:55 <Doorslammer|BRSet> You should try IRCing with a British Rail font 12:41:07 <Doorslammer|BRSet> tokal has a hairdresser symbol :P 12:41:22 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Everyone else has the signs from the toilets :D 12:42:09 * Doorslammer|BRSet no longer thinks BR font is a smart idea 12:45:38 <dih> i want an ignore module for znc 12:45:40 <dih> :-P 12:48:46 *** ecke1 [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 12:48:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:28 <Noldo> the ship pathfinding just won't leave my head 12:49:42 <Noldo> maybe I need to start coding a solution 12:50:35 <MorgyN> Whats the bug number? 12:50:51 <Smoky555> Yexo: yes, yes, i see... but i need png and freetype support ... 12:51:26 <Noldo> MorgyN: there isn't one bacause it kind of isn't a bug 12:53:06 <MorgyN> Ahh i see 12:55:07 <Doorslammer|BRSet> dih> New (but worthless) post now 12:55:55 <Noldo> MorgyN: problem is that ship pathfinding is slow 12:56:40 <dragonhorseboy> back 12:56:41 <MorgyN> I just read 12:57:00 <MorgyN> the current methodoligy does sound awful =P 12:57:33 <MorgyN> there are some pathfinding routines on gamedev that would be applicable, being that sea units can either move onto a tile, or not 12:58:30 <dih> MorgyN: the thing is that yapf is a total path pathfinder 12:58:30 <Noldo> It's really a matter of too many tiles to search on large maps 12:58:37 <dih> any tile is a turning point 13:00:43 <MorgyN> yes but if you remove the conditionals and make assumptions you can speed up the decicion process 13:00:51 <MorgyN> *decision 13:02:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm143.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:05:09 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:06:37 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm143.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:29 *** dragonhorseboy [4a3a1a93@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 13:18:12 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:19:49 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 13:21:28 <Belugas> hello everyone 13:21:43 <Yexo> hello Belugas 13:22:36 * dih waves 13:22:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:48 <dih> they are more enjoyable than air waves 13:23:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 13:26:56 <dih> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=705797#p705797 <- awsome! 13:27:54 <Yexo> lol 13:28:10 <dih> that is a very very good post 13:28:18 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:28:26 <dih> orudge: can we have a top 100 for best posts? 13:28:58 <Doorslammer|BRSet> That looks like a rather good excuse to get banned :P 13:29:08 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:29:20 <Forked> should have posted this one: http://eatourbrains.com/EoB/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/big_machine1.jpg :) 13:29:43 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Good old hindsight strikes again :P 13:30:21 <MorgyN> aha Hallo Belugas, if a 16 company patch was created against current stable, what would incline you to put it into trunk? 13:30:59 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Ah, that machine 13:31:13 <Doorslammer|BRSet> More of a mobile conveyor than anything else ;) 13:31:37 <dih> it's against stable? why not make it against trunk right away? 13:31:45 <dih> MorgyN: have you also searched the forums? 13:32:03 <hylje> development stuff e.g. patches are expected to be done against the development source 13:32:19 <Belugas> MorgyN, the fact i'm not a network guru, that i lack time, that i wonder if you have addressed all the issues, that i have not yet seen anything (regarding my poor memory) 13:32:40 <hylje> 16 companies is OK but it's little use so long there's only 10 allowed clients 13:32:55 <dih> :-D 13:33:04 <MorgyN> Belugas: There is a patch from 2007, but I'm looking at porting it up to current stable 13:33:24 <dih> one would have to make a newgrf packet style approach for the udp packets about clients etc to increase the number 13:33:34 <MorgyN> I'm just wondering what I could do to make it more likely to be adopted into trunk 13:34:11 <Yexo> 1) follow the coding style 13:34:11 <hylje> dih: to be done with it one would need to do it in a generic way e.g. up to 255 clients or more depending on compile options 13:34:24 <hylje> dih: else it's just working around 13:34:25 <Yexo> 2) port it to the current trunk, not the latest stabgle 13:34:45 <Yexo> 3) what hylje says :p 13:34:52 <dih> hylje: the UDP packets will get the server to assert as soon as you have more than 11 clients 13:34:59 <dih> as all client details are stuffed into one packet 13:35:14 <hylje> that's part of the problem 13:35:14 <dih> the newgrf details are done differently 13:35:42 <dih> the info packet contains a list of id's => md5sums of used newgrfs 13:35:44 <orudge> dih: if you want to go and rank them all, sure. You've only got nearly 700,000 to look through :PO 13:35:50 <Belugas> MorgyN, that's what i said when talking about all the issues 13:35:58 <Belugas> simply reviving a patch is not enough 13:36:00 <dih> you request id=>md5sum from server and get the name from as many will fit into the packet 13:36:03 <orudge> I did consider setting up a bash.org-type thing for #tycoon osme time ago 13:36:08 <Belugas> if it was good enough, it would have been intergrated 13:36:13 <orudge> so in theory that could be extended to here, and even to forum posts 13:36:17 <orudge> but that involves effort 13:36:24 <dih> orudge: users may rank? 13:36:28 <Belugas> if it's not , it could very well be becasue it was not right yet 13:36:38 <orudge> dih: well, if I were to set up such a thing, yes 13:38:52 <dih> well - it's silly to invest the time if phpbb does not offer that feature (or has a plugin for such things) 13:38:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:12 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:31 <MorgyN> Ahh I did forget about the network announce. 13:41:34 <Belugas> MorgyN, you can still, if you wish, bring it to trunk, that would not be a waste. 13:41:45 <Belugas> if you can improve it, it would be even better 13:42:17 <Belugas> but as TrueBrain said, maybe the best way would be to remove any limits 13:42:19 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CD81.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:24 <fjb> Hello 13:42:32 <Belugas> just that i find it a bit hard to achieve... 13:42:38 <Belugas> to be honest... 13:42:44 <MorgyN> I don't believe more than 64 is possible 13:42:48 <dih> the network packets show an issue in this 13:42:53 <MorgyN> without MAJOR revisions to the code. 13:42:58 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 13:42:58 <fjb> !logs 13:43:13 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-31-71.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:43:13 <Yexo> well, 64 is already a huge step forward from 8 13:43:13 <Belugas> problem with limits, there is always someone who asks for more... 13:43:54 <MorgyN> I think 64 companies on even a 2048^2 map would be fairly crowded soon =) 13:44:06 <Belugas> every structure in trunk that identifies a player will need to be upgraded from 8 to 64 13:44:17 <hylje> limits are always there, the point is about making trivial to lift them to above hardware limits 13:44:27 <Belugas> savegame conversion and all... 13:44:32 <Yexo> MorgyN: just divide the map in 64 pieces, that way you have a 256^2 piece per company :) 13:45:22 <dih> yay - i got water :-P 13:45:29 <hylje> Yexo: also allows for clustering 13:45:36 <hylje> Yexo: given one actually makes the stuff work together 13:45:52 <MorgyN> as long as the 'new' code is unlimited 13:46:01 <Yexo> hylje: that wasn't my intention, it was more to demonstrate that the crowding isn't that bad 13:46:06 <MorgyN> but with a 64 limit for 'legacy' code 13:46:27 <MorgyN> in the future I suppose with auditing the the code to remove limits would be possible. 13:46:27 <hylje> MorgyN: e.g. conversion 13:46:37 <Yexo> I'd like to see 64 AIs running on one map :p 13:46:41 <hylje> Yexo: most of the map will be uninteresting to the players. there'll be crowded spots all over 13:47:23 <hylje> the game needs a more complex collaboration/competition system for large amounts of players anyway 13:47:29 <glx> anyway there's only 16 company colors 13:47:30 <Belugas> but honestly, when i look at the current rate of servers VS players, i wonder truely about the usefullness of the feature... 13:47:38 <Belugas> that too :) 13:47:51 <MorgyN> Hmm I'll try and book some free time to allocate to this, need to get it working before the 8th of august ideally =) 13:47:58 <hylje> glx: 256 2-color liveries 13:48:17 <dih> MorgyN: why is that? 13:48:24 <hylje> deadlines 13:48:27 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:48:32 * dih waves 13:48:48 <MorgyN> running an openttd tourney, and 16 people would be easier to do than 8s =) 13:48:50 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:48:58 <hylje> wb glx 13:49:03 <dih> welcome back glx 13:49:08 <glx> oups wrong shortcut 13:49:11 <dih> :-D 13:49:12 <joachim> does enabling some patches (small airports, multiple engine sets) break savegames in trunk or is it just my version? :) 13:49:16 <Belugas> that makes me think... maybe it would be good to make it so company colors are disabled when reaching that amount, or someting like that... 13:49:17 <hylje> thank you my dear acronym expander 13:49:29 <Belugas> joachim: no, it should not 13:49:35 <joachim> enabling after the game is started, that is 13:49:36 <MorgyN> Belugas: so that all oposition were the same colour? 13:49:48 <Belugas> ? 13:50:01 <hylje> MorgyN: nah, forced 2-color i think 13:50:23 <MorgyN> can you elaborate? 13:50:39 <hylje> some newgrf support two color livery, that is two company colors 13:50:56 <hylje> this may be extended to actual company colors in order to give a larger space of them 13:51:20 <MorgyN> the 16^2 you mentioned before 13:51:26 <hylje> yes 13:51:31 <MorgyN> got you 13:51:49 <MorgyN> Did you mean that Belugas? 13:55:42 <Belugas> don't know, i have not followed everything you said all 13:56:21 <Belugas> ho... 13:56:25 <Belugas> well... 13:57:01 <Belugas> if there are only 16 colours, you cannot have more than 16 companies 13:57:06 <Belugas> that makes sens 13:57:12 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:57:28 <dih> :P 13:57:35 <Belugas> how can the graphs will handle more companies then? 13:57:56 <Belugas> unless we're looking at some colour pattern, like dashed colors and all... 13:58:01 <Belugas> that would look stupid anyway 13:58:41 <MorgyN> well for graphs you could abandon using the company colours, and just use a legend? 13:59:09 <Belugas> and the scheme that hylje mentionned does only work for vehicles. not available for companies 13:59:20 <Belugas> companies only have 16 colors available 13:59:38 <Belugas> those are specially coded colours 13:59:59 <Belugas> changing that would mean bobo 14:00:00 <Belugas> i think 14:00:11 <dih> :-P 14:00:14 <Belugas> ow if yo excuse me, i have work@work to do 14:00:21 <dih> enjoy 14:00:28 <MorgyN> well thatsbah i'm trying to avoid that =P 14:05:52 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:15 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:20 <dih> is there a up2date documentation of the coding style? 14:09:39 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Coding_style ? 14:10:52 <dih> is it up to date? :-P 14:11:05 <Yexo> mostly 14:11:07 <dih> k 14:11:09 <dih> thanks 14:12:18 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:12:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 14:12:34 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:16:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has joined #openttd 14:17:28 <dih> welcome back Belugas 14:20:50 <Belugas> thanks 14:20:53 <dih> ;-) 14:20:58 <dih> what a lag :-P 14:21:20 <Belugas> what a JOB 14:22:33 <MorgyN> boo jobs 14:23:57 <Belugas> boo to good cash??? 14:24:03 <Belugas> bidou 14:24:06 <Belugas> dinars 14:24:08 <Belugas> dollars 14:24:11 <Belugas> MONEY!! 14:24:50 <Doorslammer|BRSet> MorgyN> Missing a b :P 14:24:59 <MorgyN> =P 14:25:06 <ben_goodger> yay home business 14:25:20 <MorgyN> I want the cash without the work =P 14:25:46 <MorgyN> I can dream =( 14:27:30 <dih> MorgyN: i pitty the fool :-P 14:27:37 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230225088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:30:13 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228075159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:30:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230225088.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:14 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:33:26 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051110007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:14 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@f051098022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:14 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051110007.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:29 *** Zahl__ [~Zahl@f051098022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 14:38:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228075159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:19 <Belugas> freaking double click feature... 14:41:34 <Belugas> doubling the financial results at closing the day :S 14:41:40 <Belugas> assholes!! 14:42:28 <dih> :-( 14:48:04 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:53:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:54:24 <dih> wrong button again glx? 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18:20:57 <Bjarni> topic is up there ^ 18:21:07 <Bjarni> you point at the clientlist 18:21:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, i clearly point to the word "topic" 18:21:57 <ln-> Eddy|atHome3: i didn't know English Only even applies to names now. 18:22:29 <ln-> and nicks 18:23:25 <Bjarni> ä»æ©ã¯ãln-ãã 18:23:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> who said i meant the "english only" part of the topic? 18:23:56 <Yexo> Bjarni: is that utf-8? 18:24:01 <hylje> Yexo: yes 18:24:05 <hylje> i see kanji 18:24:06 <Bjarni> if you feel that you might have problems reading that then I suggest that you pay attention to the topic ;) 18:24:09 <ln-> who said i meant that you meant the "english only" part? 18:24:20 <Bjarni> err @ln- 18:24:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> clearly, the guys who invented the cyrillic alphabet were idiots :p 18:25:16 <ln-> Not necessarily, the cyrillic letters are very compact for writing e.g. certain names. 18:25:57 <Bjarni> I was told by a Russian that they wanted an alphabet and sent out two guys to get one from Europe where they already used one. They paid a fortune for a complete set of letters made out of wood and headed home 18:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> that is obvious when you have letters that mean "schtsch" 18:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> that some words get shorter ;) 18:26:34 <Bjarni> on the way home they dropped the letters and they broke. Instead of declaring their mission a failure they decided to fix the letters to make them look like what they could remember them to look like 18:26:55 <Bjarni> clearly they didn't have a good memory of what they looked like 18:27:14 <ln-> compare "Tschetschenien" and "ЧеÑÐœÑ" for example. 18:27:24 <Bjarni> this story is so stupid that it could be true. It would certainly explain why R got inverted 18:27:33 <ln-> or "Bjarni" and "ÐÑÑМО" 18:27:38 <Bjarni> they also mixed up which sound belongs to which letter 18:27:41 <glx> Ñ <-- that's schtsch 18:27:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> i know ;) 18:28:22 <Bjarni> ÐÑÑМО <-- looks more like brphn to me :P 18:28:41 <Bjarni> bRpHN is more like it 18:29:51 <MorgyN> DNND/D to me =P 18:30:19 <eekee> \u0411\u044f\u0440\u043d\u0438 to me. stupid Darwin 18:32:33 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:32:49 <Belugas> can't thik straight 18:32:52 <Belugas> need coffee 18:33:16 <Noldo> I didn't know coffee deficency induced gay thoughts 18:34:08 <MorgyN> does it work in reverse too? 18:34:32 <Bjarni> I don't think so 18:35:23 <Bjarni> certain people have been trying to cure homosexuals through time... none of them figured out how to do it so I don't think something as simple as coffee can do it 18:35:48 <Bjarni> doctors used to drug homosexuals to see which drug would make them prefer women instead 18:36:02 <Bjarni> the result was spaced out homosexual men 18:36:12 <MorgyN> still loving the cock? 18:36:16 <Bjarni> who ended up living in an imaginary world 18:36:24 <MorgyN> =/ 18:36:58 <Bjarni> then they declared that those drugs wouldn't do humanity any good 18:38:21 <Belugas> funny... there are still people who think homosexuality is a disease... in the 21th century, what's more :( 18:38:26 <ln-> Noldo: now look what you have done. 18:38:28 <Belugas> sad sad sad 18:38:58 <Bjarni> I think it would be possible since everything going on in the body is chemical mixtures and concentrations that controls everything. However we have no clue to what controls the preferred gender 18:39:03 <Belugas> or even a disorder... 18:39:51 <Bjarni> meaning it could be cheaper to build a colony on the moon rather than figuring out how this is controlled 18:40:02 <Noldo> ln-: and with such a lame joke, unbeliveable 18:40:31 <Bjarni> unbeliveable??? 18:40:34 <Bjarni> this is IRC 18:42:58 <Bjarni> personally I think there are more important parts of the body that should be explored and understood before investigating the sex drive 18:45:11 <joachim> Bjarni: actually a recent study gave them a clue 18:46:03 <Bjarni> really? 18:46:12 <Bjarni> explain 18:46:23 <Bjarni> if you can :p 18:48:40 <joachim> think it had something to do with an enlarged left or right brain 18:50:03 <Bjarni> oh that 18:50:34 <Bjarni> enlarged left should prefer women and equal sized sides should prefer men 18:50:41 <Bjarni> or so they claim 18:50:43 <joachim> http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=597&a=794403 18:50:49 <Bjarni> but they have no idea why 18:50:51 <joachim> something like that 18:51:48 <Bjarni> the really big question is: is whatever controls the sexuality controlling the brain size or the other way around 18:52:08 <Bjarni> or is it a random thing that there is a connection? 18:52:10 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:52:42 <Bjarni> I mean is it by random that they ended up with this result and would they get a different result if they test other people? 18:52:49 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:52:50 <joachim> and why would brain size control anything directly... 18:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think you misunderstand correlation for causality 18:53:41 <Bjarni> no I don't 18:54:10 <joachim> oh seems the brain size wasn't the only finding 18:55:21 <Bjarni> I know some theory on how to try to get rid of uncertainty. However I also know that when applying "a filter" (forgot the actual name for this) you decide on some parameters and stuff... and it's not uncommon to set the parameters to get a result that you like 18:55:26 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:48 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's called "do not trust a statistics that you did not fake yourself" 18:56:31 <Bjarni> this is quite common. Take for instance an opinion poll. The same answers can give the same party 14% with one set of parameters and 13,% with another set 18:56:55 <Bjarni> *13,5 (not that it matters much with the actual number here) 18:57:41 <Bjarni> bbl dinner 18:57:46 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [] 18:59:09 <joachim> well, 90 people is not a large enough sample to prove anything 19:02:17 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:05:20 <ln-> what does an expression like "x = (y, 2);" mean in C? 19:05:34 *** Devastator [devastator@78-62-105-165.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 19:05:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:06:00 <Yexo> ln-: it assigns 2 to x 19:06:28 <ln-> so it does, but does y mean anything? 19:06:53 <Yexo> it is executated, so if y is acutally a function call, the function is called and the return value discarded 19:08:04 <ln-> and is this somehow useful in some context? 19:08:42 <Yexo> nothing I can think off right now 19:09:16 <Yexo> it's good to know it can and what is does, but in general, you don't need it yourself 19:11:08 <TiberiusTeng> never #define y {DoSomethingReallyEvil(); blah(); z++/x--*w; } 19:11:31 <Yexo> lol :p 19:11:55 <TiberiusTeng> but it's still better than C++ ... where you don't even sure if operator=() really do assignment 19:12:02 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:12:34 <TiberiusTeng> one of my friend once overloaded operator/() to do vector dot product ......... 19:13:02 <Yexo> ok, that is confusing, but overloading operator+ for vector addition can be quite usefull 19:13:30 <Yexo> not actually usefull, as a function call could do the same, but you can get cleaner code by applying it logically 19:13:35 <TiberiusTeng> now I see x=(y,2) I would think that x is a tuple now (Pythonic :p) 19:14:45 <Yexo> without context, I'd say the same, but in C, no :) 19:15:26 <TiberiusTeng> yep :P 19:17:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:17:31 <Wolf01> hello 19:18:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179223043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230228147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:27:03 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 19:43:18 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 19:44:52 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:16 <fjb> Where in the code do the original grfs get loaded? 19:47:19 <Belugas> newgrf.cpp 19:47:26 <Belugas> dunno the lines tough 19:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> i'd have said gfxinit, but what do i know :p 19:47:52 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:48:46 <fjb> Ok, I didn't find it. Will have a second look. 19:49:10 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:52:18 <Belugas> mmh... was I wrong? 19:52:21 * Belugas checks 19:52:34 <Ammler> fjb: grep for the trg* files and follow :-) 19:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, i grepped for sample.cat, and this file popped up, but it appears that only checks the validity of the files by MD5 19:53:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> not actually load them 19:55:40 <fjb> Belugas: newgrf.cpp initializes the structures. But I don't see where the files get actually loaded. 19:56:06 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause3: gfxinit decides if it uses DOS or Windows palette. 19:56:35 * lobstar advertises LOBSTER MEGAMIX RADIO: http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3.m3u 19:56:41 <lobstar> BOMG LIEK 19:57:52 <fjb> My idea was to change the palette of the original DOS grfs to the windows palette on loading. So that every custom grf would have to be the windows version independent of the the version of the original grfs. 19:59:10 <frosch123> poor dos palette, though it is so much nicer and also includes 3 colors more 20:00:22 <fjb> But almost all grfs are using the windows palette. And some grfs are availlable onle in the windows version. 20:00:53 <Belugas> not sure at 100%, but i think LoadNewGRFFile in newgrf.cpp does the trick, fjb. Place a breakpoint and check the c->filename 20:01:08 <fjb> Ok. 20:01:16 <frosch123> fjb: It is not always the best, that becomes standard :p 20:01:25 <Belugas> i can't dwelve any further, as i am still at work 20:01:47 <fjb> frosch123: You don't have to tell me... :( 20:02:07 <frosch123> But if you want to convert the colors, you have to hack the spriteloader in, well, "spriteloader" :p 20:02:12 <fjb> But what do you think about my idea? 20:02:32 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Of course, in The Future, everything'll be 32bpp and shiny 20:02:42 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 20:02:52 <fjb> Prof_Frink: I think about the near future... 20:03:22 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 20:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> 32bpp doesn't even touch the palette problem 20:07:18 <ln-> Bjarni: how was your Nestlé dinner? 20:07:53 <Bjarni> I didn't have any 20:12:29 <Belugas> fjb, it's an idea. we have discussed about doing it a while ago. 20:12:38 <Belugas> just that nobody volunteered 20:12:48 <Belugas> looks like you did :) 20:17:04 <Wolf01> 'night 20:17:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:18:25 <fjb> Belugas: If I'm able to understand the code. 20:25:47 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 20:28:35 * Belugas goes home. freakingly tired 20:28:41 <Belugas> night all 20:29:39 <fjb> Good night Belugas. 20:29:41 *** Devastator [devastator@78-62-105-165.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Quit: Devastator] 20:30:15 <lobster> iTunes is Now playing: Volbeat - Rock The Rebel / Metal The Dev - Sad man's tongue 20:30:29 <lobster> ON LOBSTER Z.RADIO: http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3.m3u 20:30:36 <lobster> (not an advertisement, Bjarni) 20:36:27 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:37:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:19 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 20:48:00 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 20:54:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:04 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-181-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 21:05:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230228147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:23 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:11:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:25 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:19:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0009ee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:02 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:30:09 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 21:39:41 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai^zZz`off 21:45:40 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 21:51:13 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F5559C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:55:22 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad9f9f3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:02 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad9f9f3.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 22:07:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82237.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82341.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:09:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:22:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:24:18 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-234-54-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:00 *** mikk36_ [~mikk36@195-50-201-129-dsl.krw.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:55 <Ammler> fjb: the usage of different grfs does also block the others from joining a MP server, so something in this direction would be very cool. 22:31:54 <Ammler> I wish you luck to find a solution :-) 22:33:07 <Yexo> Ammler: even if fjb succeeds, the md5 sums of will still not match, so you still need exactly the same grfs 22:33:20 <Ammler> yeah 22:33:39 <Ammler> but then someone with dos original can load windows newgrfs :-) 22:33:40 <dih> :-P 22:33:52 <Yexo> but still it would be usefull because all grf authors can just publish only the windows version 22:34:00 <Yexo> and that too :) 22:34:09 <glx> Yexo: they can't because ttdpatch 22:34:25 <Yexo> always that ttdpatch :p 22:34:36 <Sacro> Yexo: no you don't 22:34:55 <Ammler> well, they do already 22:34:55 <Sacro> open source :p 22:34:55 <Yexo> ok, so why exactly is it usefull then? 22:34:55 <Sacro> just *cough* edit the code 22:35:05 <fjb> But some authors are already publishing only the windows version. 22:35:12 <Ammler> "dos users" should be able to convert... self. 22:35:33 <Yexo> Sacro: wha tI ment was that they didn't have to go through the trouble to create two versions, but I forgot ttdpatch, so it'll still be needed 22:37:01 <fjb> Ammler: Not everybody is able to to it. And some GRF lincence explicitly forbid to change the grf in anyway or even use grfcodec on it. 22:37:03 <Ammler> is it possible and legal to convert original dos grfs to windows? 22:37:34 <glx> possible probably, legal no 22:37:48 <fjb> Possible? I think so. Legal: I don't think so. 22:38:08 <Ammler> then that alternative is gone, fjb, I hope you find something :-) 22:38:10 <Yexo> legal depends on the country you're in, and if you're publishing the converted version or converting just for your own use 22:38:27 <Prof_Frink> Legal: If you just distribute tools and not the converted files, maybe. 22:38:47 <fjb> Ammler: I'm not sure that I'm understanding C++ and the OpenTTD source well enough. 22:39:02 <Yexo> isn't converting already possible with grfcodec? 22:39:02 <glx> the tool exists, it's grfcodec 22:39:12 <Prof_Frink> True. 22:39:15 <Ammler> Yexo: it is 22:39:55 <Ammler> but wasn't sure, if it is for original grfs too. 22:40:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E2F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:30 <Ammler> does it generate exactly the same grf? 22:40:31 <Yexo> that was exactly why I was asking ;p 22:41:01 <glx> you can change the palette easily (like you do when encoding a newgrf) 22:41:07 <Ammler> I thought, there are some other differences as the palette 22:41:24 <Ammler> but I might have thought about TTO-TTD 22:42:04 <glx> dos grf contains less sprites than win grf 22:42:39 <Ammler> so a converted grf wouldn't match the md5sum :-) 22:42:47 <Ammler> of the windows grf 22:42:52 <glx> of course 22:43:39 <Ammler> of course? 22:44:29 <glx> md5sum will be different 22:47:15 <dih> add a file for md5sum override... 22:47:32 <dih> old_md5sum => new_md5sum 22:47:33 <dih> :-P 22:47:52 <dih> a very advanced feature for the config :-P 22:48:37 <Ammler> don't think converting will be a alternative... 22:48:49 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 22:49:24 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E2F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:24 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.203] has joined #openttd 22:56:35 *** Osai^zZz`off is now known as Osai 22:56:52 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-157-76-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 22:57:01 *** Touqen [~stephen@c-98-216-253-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:16 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82.136.225.75] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:13 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:02:39 <dih> pegasus, the guy coding the multiplayer gui is not on irc, is he? 23:03:11 <lobster> HE IS 23:03:13 <lobster> AT http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/live.mp3.m3u 23:04:01 <dih> now - wehere is _that_ a irc channel? 23:06:05 <dih> lobster, you make like no sense! :-P 23:06:20 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 23:06:28 <lobster> dih: o rly ;) 23:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause3> and that is news to you, dih? :p 23:06:52 * dih slaps lobster for not fitting in with the last part of the topic 23:07:30 <lobster> pffft 23:07:33 <lobster> iTunes is Now playing: Yob - Catharsis - Catharsis 23:07:44 <lobster> IF THATS NOT RADIO 23:07:44 <lobster> GOOD RADIO 23:07:47 <lobster> THEN SLAP ME ON THE PRIVATES 23:07:51 * lobster dances about 23:07:55 <dih> glx? 23:08:01 <dih> :-P 23:08:05 <glx> hmm? 23:08:26 <dih> oh - sorry - it was peter1138 who had set that part of the topic :-P 23:08:35 <dih> the 'no idiots' part 23:09:19 <lobster> pffft, peter1138 even tuned in to my radio this very evening 23:09:33 <dih> so? 23:09:40 <lobster> so i guess i'm not Draakon-style idiotic 23:09:47 <dih> does not mean someone is not acting like an idiot in an irc channel 23:10:05 <lobster> lies 23:15:08 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:15:15 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 23:17:46 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 23:19:57 <Yexo> hmm, is there any automated way to get the version (revision) of an openttd exe under windows? 23:27:10 <dih> openttd.exe --version ? 23:28:05 <dih> ah 23:28:13 <Sacro> does that work at last/ 23:28:14 <dih> well --help will give you the version in the first line 23:28:20 <Sacro> that's a no then 23:28:26 <dih> Sacro, no, --version does not exist... 23:28:29 <Sacro> can we have --version spitting out *just* the version 23:28:33 <Sacro> cos it'd be damned useful 23:28:36 <dih> that would be handy 23:28:42 <Sacro> you are an op :p 23:28:43 <Sacro> off you go 23:28:47 <Sacro> so/op/commiter/ 23:28:56 <dih> who is? 23:29:03 <Sacro> you 23:29:06 <dih> nope 23:29:09 <Sacro> really? 23:29:22 <Sacro> oh 23:29:24 <dih> i just make patches every once in a while 23:29:24 <Sacro> seems not 23:29:26 <Sacro> yeah 23:29:28 <dih> :-P 23:29:31 * Sacro prods Belugas 23:29:37 <dih> he's off 23:29:44 <dih> past is best before time 23:29:48 * Sacro prods Rubidium 23:29:55 <dih> perhaps glx? 23:30:01 <Sacro> or peter1138 23:30:06 <Sacro> lets highlight them all 23:30:56 <dih> heh - that's an easy one - but i wont do it :-P 23:32:13 <dih> according to the code --version exists 23:32:47 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl5402B32D.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:42 <Yexo> dih: openttd --help works fine, but it gives a dialog box, and doesn't print in the console (at least in all windows versions I compiled) 23:33:57 <dih> ouch... 23:34:20 <dih> well - according to strgen/strgen.cpp there is a --version and -v 23:34:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:25 <dih> yet it does not seem to work... 23:34:55 <Yexo> dih: -v is for setting a video driver 23:35:03 <dih> yes 23:35:26 <Sacro> yes 23:35:31 <Sacro> that needs changing to -vo 23:35:35 <Sacro> with -ao for audio 23:35:42 <Sacro> -v should be version 23:35:50 <Yexo> according to strgen/strgen.cpp there is a --version and -v <- that's the code for strgen, so ./strgen --version will work :p 23:36:17 <dih> oh - right :-P 23:36:45 *** curson [~curzon@79-68-26-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 23:37:29 <glx> right-click|properties 23:38:30 <glx> Yexo: you can use http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/convert.zip to get output in the console 23:38:50 <Yexo> glx: I'd like to do it in a script in the command line, and for all nigthlies, but it seems that's not possible 23:39:03 <glx> and you also need a debug build or start with -d 23:45:23 <dih> Sacro: it's not -ao for audio driver :-P 23:45:29 <Sacro> it should be 23:45:38 <dih> it's -s 23:45:56 <dih> and -m for music 23:46:10 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-181-70.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:14 <Sacro> dih: s and m eh 23:46:19 <dih> there there are only single letter opts 23:46:27 <dih> Sacro, you have a one tracked mind :-S 23:46:54 <Sacro> dih: yes 23:47:40 <dih> well - i know have -V or version ... but that sucks 23:48:30 <lobster> iTunes is Now playing: Botch - Botch - Unifying Themes Redux - The opera song 23:48:38 <lobster> still on unspammy lobster tadio 23:48:40 <lobster> *radio 23:48:41 * Sacro is now playing: Bill Bailey - Dr. Qui 23:49:07 <dih> lobster, you are most annoying... 23:49:11 <dih> _most_ annoying 23:49:23 <Sacro> dih: compared to draakon? 23:49:23 * Yexo is turning his music off, because I'm going to bed. Night all 23:49:41 <dih> draakon is annoying and an idiot 23:49:58 <dih> lobster so far as more proven to be annoying only... he does not say much else anyway 23:49:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CD81.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:07 <dih> night Yexo 23:51:17 <lobster> dih: quite, for i have the OTTD channel not as a regular place to share my deepest of secrets 23:51:40 <lobster> merely as a place to ask about OTTD and spam when deejay the infamous Z.radio 23:51:55 <dih> yes - but the music you listen to is not interesting to any other person here 23:52:10 <lobster> then again, you probably are the type of person to find Dave Worley offensive and/or annoying 23:52:21 <lobster> oh, is it not? 23:52:26 <lobster> i highly doubt that 23:52:32 <dih> do you know 23:52:55 <dih> good thing there are ignore lists :-P 23:53:06 <lobster> quite 23:53:27 <lobster> otherwise i'd never get rid of good old yorick, and you of me 23:54:09 <dih> much better ;-) 23:54:43 <dih> toolbar_gui.cpp:523: warning: enumeral mismatch in conditional expression: 'ToolbarScenEditorWidgets' vs 'ToolbarNormalWidgets' <-- heh 23:54:56 <dih> and on line 533 also... 23:56:03 <glx> dih: known 23:56:40 <dih> # bin/openttd -V 23:56:40 <dih> r13671M 23:56:42 <dih> ;-) 23:58:40 <glx> I'm sure it won't work on windows because it's not a console app 23:59:51 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069180.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]