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00:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> uk is like a mixture of every major european culture ;) 00:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> most obvious in the language ;) 00:01:01 <joachim> and indians... 00:02:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> anyway, i'd have grouped europe like this: south (mediterranean, from ancient greek and ancient roman), center and north (germanic) and east (slavic) 00:03:30 <joachim> i think i agree, north is from denmark then, and south/center border is the french/german? 00:03:30 <ln> and denmark (bjarni) 00:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> south/center border is basically the alps 00:04:32 <joachim> ok, historically thats fine 00:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> and in the middle of france 00:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> where that border is a little fuzzy in france ;) 00:05:31 <joachim> still, i can't help myself, i have been to most european countries and i'd like to move to the netherlands :) 00:05:56 <Eddi|zuHause3> germanic tribes moved into the former roman territory, and the habits mixed 00:06:01 <joachim> probably not likely since i'm on the wrong side of the economy... 00:06:56 * Poopsmith is still unsure whether he wants to move to germany or stay here (nz) 00:07:09 <joachim> i'd stay! 00:07:21 <joachim> unless i was born and raised (and bored) 00:07:37 <Poopsmith> yeah, thats what it is 00:07:55 <joachim> ok, then i'd leave :P 00:08:10 <joachim> as long as you get a better standard of living 00:09:00 <joachim> or equal or a tiny bit less, it's always nice to experience a different culture 00:09:11 <Poopsmith> yeah 00:09:24 <Poopsmith> spent a month there when i was 15 (school exchange) 00:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> a month is hardly enough to get to know a country ;) 00:09:49 <joachim> ok.. i've been there as well 00:10:11 <Poopsmith> Eddi|zuHause3: yeah, i know :-P and especially when you're 15 :P 00:10:12 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-146-015.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:10:23 <joachim> the difference between western and eastern germany is striking 00:10:28 <joachim> (still) 00:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it's (slowly) going back to the traditional north-south difference ;) 00:12:23 <Poopsmith> Eddi|zuHause3: i stayed in Gifhorn (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gifhorn), lovely little place 00:13:02 *** Slowpoke_ [Lobster@dslb-088-073-241-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:14:12 <joachim> well, for us half socialists in scandinavia it's weird to see people in one country having that different standard 00:14:25 <joachim> :P 00:24:39 *** Osai is now known as Osai`off 00:33:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B757CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:59 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:55 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:51 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74A2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:34 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 00:55:49 *** a1270 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06:59:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F548F1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:00:33 *** Osai`off is now known as Osai 07:22:31 *** Zorn [zorn@e177236004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:24:07 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:33 <Alberth> morning all 07:25:46 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 07:33:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host126-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:33:42 <Wolf01> hello 07:35:38 <Alberth> hai 07:43:29 <ben_goodger> hihi 07:43:42 <Poopsmith> g'day 07:44:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:46:11 <ben_goodger> and this is to be this morning's conversation: a series of varied greetings punctuated by awkward silence 07:46:31 <Poopsmith> yep, something like that 07:46:34 <Poopsmith> except its evening ;-) 07:46:41 <Poopsmith> <3 timezones 07:47:39 <hylje> pff, we're european 07:48:16 <Poopsmith> <-- kiwi 07:49:33 * Wolf01 <-- wolf 07:49:45 * Poopsmith runs from the wolf 07:50:07 <Wolf01> I don't bite anymore 07:50:25 * Poopsmith walks back, eyeing Wolf01 with suspicion 07:54:02 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E6C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:55 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 07:54:59 <ben_goodger> hail europe 07:55:00 <ben_goodger> :P 07:58:39 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:10:20 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:25:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 08:25:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:29:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:09 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@dslb-088-073-241-093.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:15 *** Tefad 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by peer] 09:25:33 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 09:28:39 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:29:18 *** Mchl [~mchl@abeu241.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:29:22 <Mchl> hello 09:29:51 <dih> hi 09:42:04 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2129 <-- when submitting this bug report I had no other chance than to submit it as confirmed bug 09:42:50 <planetmaker> while I did that, I guess it's not the intention of the system that user confirm their own reports, ey? 09:43:59 <dih> :-P 09:47:32 <Alberth> I guess it goes without saying (the other way around would be quite interesting to happen) 09:48:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I marked it as confirmed 09:48:19 <planetmaker> hu? right when I entered it yesterday? 09:48:28 <planetmaker> But maybe I was just too tired then :) 09:48:28 <Rubidium> no 09:48:37 <Rubidium> but it was New when I first looked at it 09:48:53 <planetmaker> ah, then you've been at least in my impression lightening fast :) 09:49:19 <peter1138> long standing ttd bug 09:49:23 <planetmaker> but good to know that it's been just my tiredness then... sorry for bothering 09:49:29 <Rubidium> if ~8 hours is lightning fast, then yes 09:49:31 <peter1138> sort of thing 09:49:39 <hylje> relative 09:50:06 <planetmaker> hehe :) 09:51:53 <planetmaker> speed of light can be as low as a few 10 km/s... - just a question of matter :P 09:53:26 <dih> consider the major time difference between the 2 of you :-P 09:54:02 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E6C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:57:54 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 09:58:56 * peter1138 wants some slow glass 09:59:28 *** Poopsmith [~ed@36.206.55.210.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:10 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 10:00:20 *** Wezz6400 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You need rubidium in order to stop light ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Slow_light 10:09:12 <Gekz> oh that was cool 10:09:15 <Gekz> I remember reading about that 10:15:09 <Mchl> <planetmaker> hehe. You need rubidium in order to stop light <- oh my, how much of coincidence is that? :D 10:22:50 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Rubidium created the heaven and the Earth and I claim my 10:30:50 <ben_goodger> I call BS. the FSM created the heaven, the other heaven and the earth :P 10:35:05 <Prof_Frink> Praise be to his noodly appendage. 10:37:33 *** oja [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has joined #openttd 10:41:40 *** oja [~0blivious@3E339CE3.dslaccess.aol.com] has quit [] 10:46:37 *** Hendikins [~wolfoxout@vg102.vodafone.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:46:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:00:26 *** Hendikins [~wolfoxout@vg102.vodafone.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:10:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E48A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 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GRFs instead of DOS GRFs 17:02:52 <hylje> and vice versa 17:03:05 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489FF94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:49 <Noldo> and using the corresponding original graphic files 17:04:26 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Hey, its my question, get your own ;) 17:04:47 <Doorslammer|BRSet> What if said GRFs are not available? 17:05:00 <hylje> the game refuses to run as it is 17:05:01 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Anyway, how is it decided what GRF is needed? 17:05:18 <hylje> i dunno, use what's available but if both are I guess windows ones are preferred 17:05:18 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Why is there a difference in palettes? 17:05:33 <hylje> the difference between windows and dos grfs lies in the palettes IIRC 17:05:38 <hylje> it's just the way it is 17:05:47 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Well I have put on the OpenGFX pack 17:05:53 <Doorslammer|BRSet> And palette is all to pot 17:05:56 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Again :) 17:07:19 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A50AA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:09:10 <Mirrakor> Is openGFX available yet? 17:09:20 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Partly 17:09:32 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Individual parts are 17:10:27 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489EF3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:35 <Mirrakor> hm, if they're complete would openttd be completely free available for people who don't have/want to buy the real TTD? 17:13:04 <hylje> there's still some derived work in OpenTTD core 17:13:46 <Noldo> where? 17:13:56 <Doorslammer|BRSet> Good question 17:14:16 <hylje> Noldo: i dunno but i've overheard the devs occassionally 17:14:44 <Noldo> hylje: it doesn't seem to effect them distributing it though 17:15:01 *** Mchl [~mchl@abeu241.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:15:06 <joachim> heh no 17:15:07 <hylje> it's still an issue of truly Free 17:15:18 <Noldo> but it might be the graphics that are needed for new features 17:15:19 <joachim> sounds like an issue of getting sued 17:15:38 <Noldo> as they are based on the original graphics in order to fit in nicely 17:17:29 <Noldo> Mirrakor: btw. which free do you mean? 17:25:52 <joachim> free as in speech 17:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> free beer costs 5 euro 17:29:26 *** YrreG [~gerardo@host147-130-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:29:31 *** YrreG [~gerardo@host147-130-dynamic.11-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #openttd [] 17:34:36 *** curson [~curzon@p1087-ipbf214funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.] 17:37:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E48A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:51 <Mirrakor> hylje: atm I'm talking about the beer thing - I think that's a thing with which we could win a few windows users too :) 17:51:24 *** Doorslammer|BRSet [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-85.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 17:51:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:55:31 *** unenana 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#openttd 19:25:34 <Noldo> yes 19:26:02 <Ammler> if you load only town vector, you have no industry anymore. 19:26:33 <Noldo> I do want some industries, just not the original ones 19:27:00 <Noldo> so some other ecs vector maybe 19:27:23 <Ammler> I fear, ECS is theonly newindustry GRF, which removes the original. 19:28:06 <Noldo> I fear nothing! 19:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's also Pikka's industry set, but that rather extends the original industries 19:28:19 <glx> only ECSTown removes all 19:29:06 <Ammler> glx: is that reson it needs to be first? 19:29:13 <glx> yes 19:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> a more modular design could duplicate that behaviour into each grf 19:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> then the grfs each could check whether they are first, and then behave accordingly 19:32:18 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: a ECSReset :-) 19:32:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: that's not what i meant 19:32:53 <Ammler> :-) 19:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> more like an "#include <common_behaviour.nfo>" 19:36:07 *** Sacro1 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<Eddi|zuHause2> Noldo: what do you mean with empty graphic files? 19:43:46 *** Ossie [~Ossie@ip545476cb.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 19:43:54 <joachim> grf is not the future, whenever rewrites are considered, grf should go... 19:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> joachim: rewrites are not considered at all 19:44:25 <Noldo> joachim: you might be somewhat alone with that view 19:44:27 <joachim> ok 19:44:39 <joachim> Noldo: ok as well :) 19:44:51 <Noldo> joachim: not completely but somewhat ;) 19:44:55 <Ammler> Noldo: decode trg* and replace pcx with empty pcx and encode :-P 19:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> even NDL is just compiled into NFO 19:45:13 <Noldo> Ammler: I know I know 19:46:17 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause2: as I searched for your thread in tt-forums, I found a second proposal 19:46:21 <Noldo> :/ ECS seesto use original graphics for some industries 19:46:41 <Ammler> Noldo: OpenGFX 19:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: i'm sure there are at least half a dozen of those 19:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> but yes, there was a kind of low level extension proposed at the same time 19:47:57 <Noldo> Ammler: as it happens the industries are oil refinery and oil wells, which don't have new graphics in that either 19:48:17 <Ammler> yet 19:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Noldo: well, then you know what is left to do :p 19:48:48 <joachim> Noldo: still, grf, doesn't have to go, but a simpler format, like xml could be introduced and for a (long) while openttd could support both 19:48:55 <Noldo> well, if OpenGFX was ready I would have no problems in the first place 19:49:12 <Ammler> xml isn't simpler 19:49:14 <joachim> would be alot simpler for people to code their mods or vehicles 19:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> joachim: xml is the worst thing that can happen 19:49:29 <Ammler> xml is just another save format 19:49:56 <joachim> simpler to the program or simpler to the modders? 19:50:08 <joachim> it seems many struggle with grf 19:50:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> xml is bad in so many ways 19:50:48 <Ammler> joachim: xml wouldn't save that 19:51:03 <Ammler> something like Eddi|zuHause2 proposed would help there much more. 19:51:11 <Noldo> joachim: it's internals that count 19:53:35 <joachim> openttd has strict coding regulations to make it readable for humans... if not, it could be coded in assembler or in hex numbers like grf 19:53:45 <joachim> doesn't really make sense 19:53:51 <Prof_Frink> openttd in asm == ttdpatch 19:54:12 <joachim> didn't mention the patch 19:54:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is obvious that NFO was designed by assembler coders 19:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that does not make it bad 19:54:54 <joachim> it raises the bar for getting involved 19:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem is, it did not evolve far from there 19:55:03 <Ammler> yeah, you can still translate to it from high level language. 19:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> people don't code in java byte code 19:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> but the java compiler transforms every java program into byte code 19:55:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> which was the approach i wanted to take with NDL 19:55:48 <joachim> is there a translator from high level code to/from grf? if there is such a tool, np 19:56:17 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:56:51 <Ammler> joachim: and there is GRFMaker :-) 19:57:01 <glx> nfo is not hard 19:57:11 <joachim> glx: for who? :) 19:57:17 <glx> it just looks hard 19:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> asm is not hard either 19:57:27 <joachim> like advanced math? 19:57:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> just you have a lot of jiggling with numbers 19:57:31 <joachim> nothing is hard... 19:57:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> higher maths is "easier" on a much different level ;) 19:58:17 <glx> and modifying a vehicle is one of the easiest thing 19:58:25 <joachim> again, for who? 19:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> for anyone who can follow the steps of a step by step tutorial 19:59:06 <joachim> for anyone who bothers and has the learning ability to do so 19:59:11 *** Mirrakor [~linuser@p57B2E6C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:27 <glx> but I agree advanced action 2 are not easy to begin with 19:59:29 <joachim> noone can say graphic artists haven't given up many times? 20:00:06 <joachim> variable actions... i had a tough time tracing them even after reading all the documentation 20:00:21 <Ammler> joachim: if you show good graphics, you should be able to find a coder. 20:00:40 <glx> grf2html helps a lot 20:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> varaction2 are an easy concept: switch(variable) { case a..b: goto X; case c..d: goto Y; ... } 20:02:00 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:02:10 <joachim> depending on earlier statements, etc., it wasn't easy for a first timer like me to understand where they were and what they did 20:02:31 <joachim> sure, it's easy when you have a manual and time... 20:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> the problem is that the specs were not written like that ;) 20:03:42 <glx> btw it's easier to write a grf than to add support for a grf feature 20:04:01 <glx> as the wiki is for grf coders 20:04:23 <glx> we often need to look at asm to understand how to implement a feature 20:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you still have the "canonical" documentation ;) 20:05:41 *** egladil [~egladil@81-226-238-189-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:04 *** egladil [~egladil@81-226-238-189-no61.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 20:11:09 *** bumblebee [~nnscript@ti0117a380-0049.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:12:21 *** unenana [~unenana@ANantes-257-1-64-75.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:13:50 *** unenana [~unenana@ANantes-257-1-64-75.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 20:14:28 <Noldo> is it possible to make newgrf load so they are in use in the title screen? 20:15:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> having newgrfs in the title screen is not recommended 20:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, you can rename opntitle.dat into .sav and load it like a normal game 20:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> or you can rename any .sav into opntitle.dat 20:16:12 <glx> you can use static grfs 20:16:28 <Noldo> it's not that I want them in the thing running on the background, but my messing with the original grfs rendered the gui unusable 20:17:00 <joachim> ? 20:17:10 <joachim> oh 20:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh, like that... then you have to mess around with the grfs like the townname special case handling 20:18:16 <Noldo> the main problem is that the fonts are missing 20:19:05 <peter1138> use a ttf font 20:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can specify fonts in the .cfg 20:22:17 <Noldo> \o/ 20:26:21 <Noldo> as interesting and promising as this is I need some sleep 20:26:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> how dare you! 20:33:53 *** mikl [~mikl@x1-6-00-14-bf-cc-78-b6.k706.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 20:43:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:49:05 <Ammler> do you mind having old cfg format compatible with new? 20:49:43 <Ammler> because it seems, it isn't anymore. 20:49:54 <Ammler> specially the diff_opt 20:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> apparently it was decided to not do that :p 20:52:43 <Ammler> so if you have setting in old format, they can't be taken with? 20:54:05 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-65-196-232-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:50 <glx> new version can read old format, but it will be converted to new on save 20:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> so make sure to always kill any running app ;) 20:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> (or alternatively: make the .cfg readonly) 20:59:57 <joachim> if you don't want any apps to run, there is a better solution 21:00:10 <joachim> don't turn your computer on :) 21:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> app = {openttd[.exe]} 21:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> it should be possible to run openttd as kernel :p 21:14:49 <glx> just use -x 21:17:11 <Ammler> [22:56] <glx> new version can read old format, but it will be converted to new on save <-- if not, worth a FS post? 21:18:06 <Ammler> and yes, we use -x 21:18:32 <Ammler> but I guess, we need to update the config tool :-) 21:22:10 *** bumblebee 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