Config
Log for #openttd on 24th September 2008:
Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:00:06  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:01:46  *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro
00:01:48  <Metalcore> bleh
00:02:14  <Metalcore> i'm tryingto decide whether its worth it to figure how out how to get the nightlies <_<
00:02:55  <SmatZ> keep trying to figure out :)
00:03:28  *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E575.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:03:38  <Metalcore> i assume the way to do it without having to actually compile (on windows) is to run the build_installers.bar
00:04:33  <welshdragon> trivia now playing on #welshdragon
00:05:41  *** Zorn [zorn@e177234054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:08:51  <glx> Metalcore: you just need to extract the zip
00:12:17  <Metalcore> !nightlies
00:12:19  <Metalcore> <_<
00:13:17  <Metalcore> ah, there we go
00:13:35  <Metalcore> what's are the major feature differences between the current nightly and 0.6.2?
00:14:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> all of them...
00:15:16  <Metalcore> all of them? >_>
00:16:02  *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause
00:16:36  <Eddi|zuHause> the step from 0.6 to trunk is huge
00:17:52  <glx> PBS for a start
00:18:39  * roboboy wishes we had pre PBS ie pbs with presignal support
00:19:37  *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad00eb9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd
00:19:46  *** bleepy is now known as Guest1279
00:19:47  *** pleeby is now known as bleepy
00:20:31  *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
00:21:41  *** Guest1279 [bleepy@5ad923e0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:24:18  *** fjb [~frank@p5485D949.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:30:27  <Eddi|zuHause> another major feature is the order system
00:33:01  *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B767C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit []
00:33:23  *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7514C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
00:35:17  *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has joined #openttd
00:35:17  *** [demi]Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:45:17  *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:47:34  <Metalcore> order system?
00:47:46  <Metalcore> what has changed?
00:50:16  <roboboy> i geuse the new go via option thingie
00:50:23  <glx> there are conditional orders too
00:51:40  *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye]
00:54:09  <Metalcore> oh cool
00:54:14  <Metalcore> what's the status on cargodest?
00:55:48  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
00:56:43  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:56:48  *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro
01:05:11  <Belugas> status to cargodest? still not to destination
01:05:13  <Belugas> huhuhu
01:05:36  <Metalcore> <_>
01:06:51  *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:07:36  *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÌß]
01:11:32  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
01:16:06  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:18:21  *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
01:18:41  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:18:46  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
01:18:48  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit []
01:20:57  *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet590.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
01:22:18  *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd
01:28:01  *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has quit [Quit: Quit]
01:33:33  *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-155-18.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:37:33  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
01:47:14  *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA8C1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
01:48:58  *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B6BC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:16:49  *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...]
02:22:42  <Metalcore> man, cargodest is fun
02:33:44  *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out]
02:35:09  *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd
02:46:43  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
02:48:37  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
02:55:33  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:03:03  *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd
03:06:23  *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
03:08:01  *** elmex [~elmex@e180067075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:08:05  *** elmex_ is now known as elmex
03:12:31  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
03:47:52  *** syn [~syn@cpe-24-58-7-163.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:05:45  *** Sacro__ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:10:16  *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai
04:29:52  *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd
04:31:04  *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EBD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik]
04:31:50  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
05:53:05  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
06:10:40  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
06:21:51  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd []
06:21:56  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
06:32:08  *** kjetil [~kjetil@tester.igjen.vdsl2.no] has joined #openttd
06:38:51  *** Forked [~kjetil@tester.igjen.vdsl2.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
06:38:51  *** kjetil is now known as Forked
06:43:09  *** letto [~letto@86.120.71.107] has joined #openttd
06:46:11  *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA94.versanet.de] has joined #openttd
06:47:07  *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host]
06:49:09  *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has joined #openttd
06:56:09  *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
07:25:26  *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B5D31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
07:33:31  *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd
07:35:07  *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm224.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd
07:41:05  <SpComb> "there is still bug in ottd 6.2 ??"
07:41:23  <Forked> bugfree, sir!
07:49:37  *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm224.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
07:54:36  *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd
07:56:18  *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:00:27  *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd
08:01:21  *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-152-232-177.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:11:26  * SpComb ponders shutting down MyOTTD today
08:11:38  *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
08:16:17  <peter1138> Do it!
08:17:10  <Rubidium> yeah, go for it and start with bugmenot
08:17:12  *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B5D31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org]
08:18:13  <peter1138> Why bugmenot?
08:18:24  <peter1138> Oh... 33939-07-02
08:19:00  <peter1138> That can't be fun :)
08:19:07  <Yexo> http://www.student.tue.nl/V/t.i.marinussen/railai2.png <- one of the first rail networks build by my ai :)
08:19:47  <Rubidium> peter1138: especially the amount of companies, spectators and players of bugmenot.myottd.net
08:20:25  <SpComb> yes, it's almost historic now :)
08:21:17  <Rubidium> Yexo: those lines look somewhat more sane that than CSAI ;)
08:21:29  <Rubidium> looks like it failed to built some routes though
08:21:55  <Yexo> it did, but those are not visible in the image afaik
08:22:12  <Rubidium> inbound of M??fingpool Heights for example
08:23:15  <Yexo> hey, you're right
08:23:27  <Yexo> it didn't report an error for failing to build anything though
08:24:07  <SpComb> but myes, I think I'm going to unplug it from the UPS it's on
08:24:13  <SpComb> then I just have to figure out what to do with said UPS
08:24:33  <peter1138> Give it to me.
08:24:44  <SpComb> that'll be like 200€ for shipping
08:25:07  <Noldo> I can take it too
08:25:07  <SpComb> it ships as palette freight, which is somewhat expensive
08:25:23  <Rubidium> how big/heavy is it?
08:25:40  <SpComb> 2U, about a metre in depth, weighs 50-60kg, can't remember
08:26:13  <SpComb> http://photos.marttila.de/2008-05-25_zapotekII/P5257825.JPG.html <-- that's myottd on the left, said UPS on the right
08:26:17  <Noldo> what kind of Watts are we talking about
08:26:27  <SpComb> 3kVA, about 2.4kW
08:27:01  <Tefad> mmm powerfactor.
08:28:55  <SpComb> actually, 3U
08:29:29  <SpComb> http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=sua3000rmxli3u <-- it's a slightly older model of that, hard to find the exact page
08:30:24  <peter1138> We binned all our APC UPSes
08:30:40  <peter1138> They were older models, though.
08:30:41  <roboboy> hello
08:31:24  <peter1138> http://www.bigkey.com/pic/apc/apc_smart_ups_1400r.JPG
08:31:28  <peter1138> Similar to that one.
08:31:47  <peter1138> Notice the lack of ventilation...
08:32:05  <Tefad> mmm burninate
08:32:14  <Tefad> i have a 1000VA UPS
08:32:25  <Tefad> it needs new batteries.
08:32:32  <peter1138> They basically cooked their batteries, so they only lasted a year.
08:32:38  <Tefad> oh, nice
08:32:44  <Tefad> mine sits under my compy
08:32:49  <Tefad> and isn't rack shaped.
08:32:56  <peter1138> And then we'd have to take the machine apart, because the batteries would swell and get stuck inside.
08:33:17  <Tefad> i've had these batteries since 2005 or so
08:33:27  <Tefad> probably this time 2004 really
08:34:37  <Tefad> long outage is rare, and when they happen, i catch it soon enough to shut down. UPS would probably power my crap for 5mins if i wanted to right now
08:35:23  <Tefad> battery dead light has been coming on and off in 3month cycles since two years ago, but is now in a permanent state of HELP!!!
08:36:07  <peter1138> I've got a small APC UPS for my desktop actually. That lasts about 10-15 minutes, despite saying the battery is dead.
08:36:29  <Tefad> yup yup. i run a server, desktop and two CRTs off mine
08:36:51  <Tefad> typically the CRTs are asleep or i immediately kill one when the power goes out
08:37:08  <Tefad> doesn't complain about overload though
08:37:33  <Tefad> it did once when i accidentally plugged a 224 port switch into it : x
08:37:47  <Tefad> (i forgot which power strip i was holding)
09:06:05  *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd
09:08:24  <peter1138> Hmm
09:09:41  <peter1138> My big switch is drawing 430W
09:09:59  <peter1138> At least, that's what it says :)
09:32:09  *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd
09:33:29  *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
09:33:35  <fjb> Hello
09:36:41  *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:52:44  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd
09:59:55  *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd
10:12:50  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
10:14:09  <Tefad> lol
10:14:27  <Tefad> this one had like.. 8 slots and dual power supplies
10:16:01  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:16:18  <Tefad> ah 9 slots. 1x management/console, 1x 4x1000BaseSX/SC, 7x 32x10BaseT/100BaseTX ports.
10:16:43  <Tefad> i think that thing was made in 1999 or 2000
10:17:02  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd
10:17:32  <fjb> What is that?
10:17:47  <Eddi|zuHause> a small switch :p
10:18:06  *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
10:18:16  <Tefad> lol, i've not seen many larger
10:18:33  <Tefad> i've seen a router the size of a rack with only two ports though
10:18:38  <Tefad> that was a bit.. odd
10:18:58  <fjb> Hard wired routing...
10:19:18  <Eddi|zuHause> how much routing do 2 ports need?
10:19:21  <Tefad> routing is software level
10:19:31  <Tefad> i'm thinking it was multiplexed fiber
10:19:33  <Eddi|zuHause> a simple bridge/firewall would suffice
10:22:35  <Tefad> over a single strand, it's possible to have 4 full duplex connections
10:23:05  <Tefad> and it isn't uncommon to have six strands in one cable
10:55:11  <peter1138> Routing is hardware level on those sort of devices.
10:55:51  <peter1138> So they use a cheap and slow CPU to control it, and expensive hardware to route...
10:56:02  <peter1138> Instead of just cheap and fast CPUs
10:56:46  *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
11:05:46  <roboboy> I keep geting network syncronisation erors on Brianetta's server
11:06:46  *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd
11:06:55  <Brianetta> devs: My server's running 0.6.3rc1
11:06:56  *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd []
11:07:03  *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:07:30  *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd
11:10:09  *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd
11:10:22  <roboboy> hm no desync yet again
11:14:33  <roboboy> I have a simleish question. Is iit realistic that we pay running costs for a crashed train?
11:15:24  <Gekz> Yes.
11:15:32  <Gekz> You gotsa pay for cleansing
11:15:54  <roboboy> apart from the removal of the wreck?
11:16:16  <Gekz> the reimbursement of the families that you killed
11:16:20  <Eddi|zuHause> rebuilding the infrastructure
11:23:18  *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C016.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
11:23:37  *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
11:28:31  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit]
11:30:16  *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving]
11:48:39  *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:49:40  <roboboy> does anyone think YAPP will ever get any pre signal ability?
11:52:10  <fjb> No
11:55:23  *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:56:10  <Ammler> Yes
11:57:01  *** tokai [~tokai@p54B808BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd
11:57:03  *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
11:57:35  <fjb> Yes?
12:01:16  <peter1138> roboboy, it does not need it.
12:01:43  *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd
12:01:45  *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ
12:08:02  <roboboy> why?
12:10:42  *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest1364
12:10:47  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has joined #openttd
12:10:48  *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ
12:11:03  *** Guest1364 [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:13:28  <fjb> What for?
12:14:11  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
12:15:20  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wired-114.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
12:17:26  <ln> when?
12:17:34  *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:17:55  <hylje> how
12:21:13  *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.254] has quit [Quit: Jedna dve, salina pojede.]
12:22:29  <Ammler> Because
12:22:33  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd
12:22:34  *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ
12:24:14  <roboboy> does YAPP do pre signals by itself automaticaly?
12:24:50  <roboboy> it would be nice to specify what signals were pre exits at a minimum if yapp entry signals are auto pre entry
12:25:53  <roboboy> so then if you had a train entering a partially presignaled junction but its exit wasnt pre exit and all the pre exits were red it could still find its way out asuming a clear path was available
12:28:10  <Vikthor> roboboy:Did you actually ever tried using YAPP?
12:34:22  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:34:53  <roboboy> yes
12:34:54  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has joined #openttd
12:34:55  *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ
12:35:36  *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:36:18  *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd
12:36:42  <Vikthor> then you should clearly know that there is no need for exit signals, because if train can't find safe path past the signal it will wait
12:40:24  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:40:55  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has joined #openttd
12:40:56  *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ
12:42:14  <roboboy> but what if there is a station with a junction at it and you want your trains t the station to wait but not trains going down the other line if the station is full
12:42:16  <fjb> Do not put YAPP signals behind a junction, only before.
12:43:06  <fjb> No signal between the junczion and the start of the platform.
12:43:32  <SmatZ> or reversed two-way PBS
12:43:41  <SmatZ> you need presignals for priority lanes though...
12:48:00  <roboboy> so do you get full pre-signal behaviour with YAPP?
12:49:11  <Ammler> yes, almost.
12:58:09  <ln> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/276867main_08pd2733_full.jpg
13:00:17  *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9d8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:01:36  *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:02:28  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@85.17.162.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:03:01  <Brianetta> If all your stations are terminals, you can get away without any signals.  You need one PBS signal, anywhere, to make the whole lot path based.  Trains will just find a way around.
13:03:13  *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd
13:03:13  *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ
13:03:30  <Brianetta> Rubidium: Interesting PBS thing for you to ponder.
13:04:10  <Brianetta> Since stations are safe waiting locations, it's possible to make a railway like a computer bus.  Lots of terminals connected to some lines.  You need one PBS signal anywhere on it, and the trains just find their way about.
13:04:29  <Brianetta> There might be some waiting, clearly, but it's really interesting how far you can go on one signal.
13:04:56  <Brianetta> The stations must be terminus, otherwise they reserve through and out the other side, which makes life difficult.
13:05:35  <Rubidium> isn't that already possible?
13:07:07  <Brianetta> I was describing current behaviour
13:07:11  <Brianetta> not making a suggestion (:
13:07:18  <Ammler> hmm, I thought, the translation fixes will be backported to 0.6.x too?
13:07:35  <Brianetta> Rubidium: Roboboy has been reporting desyncs on 0.6.3rc1
13:07:44  <Brianetta> I haven;t seen them first hand
13:07:48  <Brianetta> I'm in the office and can't hop on
13:09:48  <Rubidium> I understood his message as that he didn't have a desync yet
13:10:10  <roboboy> I had a few and then  they stopped happening
13:10:27  <roboboy> the minute I reported them they stopped
13:12:10  *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:12:31  *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd
13:13:57  <Xerres> that you lerfy?
13:17:43  <Ammler> server down?
13:18:07  <blathijs> No, networking problem at the provider that hosts it
13:18:15  <blathijs> or at some ISP near it anyway
13:19:02  <Rubidium> the connection has been quite unstable the last hour
13:21:08  *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5adb1da9.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd
13:22:25  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
13:27:50  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:34:29  <roboboy> gnight
13:36:00  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd
13:36:02  *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ
13:38:00  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]
13:39:51  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
13:41:24  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wired-114.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit]
13:43:28  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
13:43:35  *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd
13:43:37  *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ
13:45:21  *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:47:42  *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
13:53:51  *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd
13:54:36  *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd
13:54:39  *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ
13:55:18  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
14:02:12  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r14394 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed)
14:02:12  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-09-24 14:01:38
14:02:12  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 8 changed by ThomasA (8)
14:02:12  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 5 changed by sulai (5)
14:02:12  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 17 fixed, 4 changed by alyr (21)
14:02:14  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 45 changed by dlunch (45)
14:02:14  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 9 fixed by christian (9)
14:06:16  *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9944.versanet.de] has joined #openttd
14:06:53  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:07:17  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
14:07:18  *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-137.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
14:09:59  <Ammler> has the webtranslator no access to 0.6 branch?
14:13:47  *** `Fuco`` [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
14:13:47  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:14:06  <ln> Ammler: auxiliary verb needed.
14:14:39  <glx> Ammler: WT2 handles trunk only
14:14:42  *** vitogenowese [~vitogenow@lbck-4dbdce5a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd
14:14:47  <vitogenowese> hello
14:14:48  <hylje> i just accidentally the whole trunk
14:15:06  <vitogenowese> can someone help me with the osx toolchain? is there a mac doc?
14:15:12  <ln> hylje: verb needed.
14:16:02  <Ammler> thanks glx, that does explain the missing fixes on 0.6, I was told, they will go into it too.
14:16:53  <glx> we use a script for that (but it may fail)
14:17:58  <vitogenowese> for compiling for osx?
14:18:29  <Rubidium> Ammler: what missing fixes?
14:18:38  <glx> Ammler: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/14387#file3 <-- it seems 12 fixes are in 0.6
14:19:07  <Ammler> Rubidium: not bad things
14:19:15  <Ammler> just translation issues.
14:19:40  <Ammler> mostly not fitting buttons/windows
14:20:05  <glx> that's not really a translation issue ;)
14:20:15  <Ammler> but I do compile trunk to check if they are only discussed or commited already :-)
14:20:17  <Rubidium> Ammler: all strings that were changed in trunk and that are in 0.6 (but where english did not change in trunk) should be backported
14:20:18  <glx> some button are just too small for anything than english
14:21:38  <Ammler> trunk seems nice
14:22:36  *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd
14:22:43  <Rubidium> but it's a script that backports the strings; it's way way too much work to do it manually
14:24:52  <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/german_RC1-trunk.png
14:27:12  <Sacro> tehehehe, Abfahrt
14:29:33  <Ammler> btw. is that still true, statin spread the only setting which slows down the game?
14:30:22  *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm224.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd
14:30:35  <SmatZ> does it?
14:30:51  <glx> IIRC that has been optimised
14:30:55  <Ammler> it is the only setting with a red text about :-)
14:31:35  <Ammler> I suggested the german translators to remove it, but they meant, that is something for the devs.
14:36:50  <Rubidium> Ammler: I don't know why the script didn't backport (some of) those strings
14:43:23  *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-57.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd
14:43:32  *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BC51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd
14:44:07  * davis- hai
14:53:04  <Rubidium> Ammler: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/fixed_language_update_script.diff fix the 'not-backported' issues in German (0.6.3-RC1)
14:56:56  <Ammler> Rubidium: doesn't look like
14:57:15  <Ammler> I need to checkout the release and install the patch to be sure
15:01:11  <Ammler> Rubidium: ok, most fixed
15:01:49  <Brianetta> Is the wiki up?
15:02:01  <davis-> .
15:03:05  <Rubidium> Ammler: for the rest I don't have clue how to fix that easily (i.e. quickly)
15:03:05  *** `Fuco`` [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
15:03:15  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
15:03:31  <Ammler> no need, looks fine, as far as I see...
15:03:33  *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
15:04:06  <Brianetta> Is it just me having trouble with the web site?
15:04:48  <murray> what part? works fine here
15:05:20  <Brianetta> er
15:05:21  <Brianetta> all of it
15:05:43  <Brianetta> I wanted the wiki, but I can't get www. either
15:05:55  <Brianetta> Other sites are OK
15:07:02  <murray> perfectly fine here
15:07:29  <Brianetta> Forum's fine.
15:07:33  <Brianetta> That's it.
15:08:07  <Brianetta> Works from home
15:08:11  <Brianetta> but that's text only
15:08:12  <Rubidium> Brianetta: there was a ddos attack on the ISP this afternoon, so it might be that it came from your ISP
15:08:26  <Brianetta> What, Derwentside District Council?
15:08:27  <Rubidium> i.e. that they blackholed data coming from there
15:08:52  <Brianetta> I knew they were a bit shabby, but not actually evil
15:08:57  <Rubidium> or from the ISPs they're peering with
15:09:25  <Brianetta> I think that's NTL and JaNET
15:09:55  <Brianetta> there's another, but I can't remember now who it is
15:10:51  *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
15:11:05  *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.115.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd
15:12:42  *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
15:14:00  *** vitogenowese [~vitogenow@lbck-4dbdce5a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
15:18:02  *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:20:04  *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:20:50  *** elmex [~elmex@e180064184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:20:55  *** elmex [~elmex@e180064184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd
15:24:26  *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F73C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
15:28:11  *** ozzy [~ozzy@5ad23854.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd
15:28:22  <ozzy> hi
15:28:36  <davis-> :)
15:28:47  <ozzy> question
15:29:02  *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA94.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
15:29:05  <FauxFaux> Tell me what you think about me.
15:29:19  <ozzy> you know the trams on ottd why are they so crap
15:30:32  <davis-> whats wrong with trams?
15:33:53  <fjb> Maybe his lacking skills in typing punctuations.
15:34:09  <davis-> :p
15:36:14  <ozzy> one trams can be 2 short second there old and boring you dont get many types
15:36:35  *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet564.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd
15:37:06  <davis-> always whining :s
15:41:00  <fjb> What is he trying to say? Can somebody translate it please?
15:41:24  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit]
15:42:42  * davis- shrugs
15:42:53  <davis-> something about the tram length?
15:43:19  <davis-> and about the lack of different tram-vehicle , mayhabs.. idk
15:45:03  <fjb> Looks to me he only looked at the game two short seconds long.
15:45:13  <davis-> yeah probably
15:45:36  <fjb> And then he got bored and old.
15:45:53  <davis-> :|
15:45:58  <fjb> Sad guy.
15:46:25  * davis- plays the emo-piano
15:46:41  <Belugas> hooo.... 1) trams can too short  2) they are old and boring, you don't get many types
15:46:46  <Belugas> or something...
15:47:00  <davis-> \o/ ?
15:47:40  <Belugas> ozzy :, we are sorry, but you are not making much sens.  if there was a question, i fail to translate of even understand it
15:48:05  <davis-> tragedy
15:48:53  *** letto [~letto@86.120.71.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:49:31  *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA94.versanet.de] has joined #openttd
15:50:04  <fjb> Realy sad story.
15:53:29  *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-137.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.]
15:53:59  <ozzy> i said the trams in open ttd are short but can be good but there are not many types
15:55:35  <Rubidium> then you should use a difference tram newgrf that has long(er) trams and more types
15:56:00  <ozzy> where do i get it then wise crack
15:56:40  <Rubidium> grfcrawler.tt-forums.net maybe
15:57:34  *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226204166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd
15:57:48  <Brianetta> ozzy: Suggesting that the stats of almost anything in the game be changed is going to be met with a similar answer.  The newgrf specification allows all sorts of modifications.
16:01:20  *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÌß]
16:01:34  <ozzy> true
16:01:47  <ozzy> but where do i put the things for ottd
16:03:07  <davis-> data folder
16:03:39  <ozzy> where
16:04:47  <davis-> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/FAQ_NewGRF
16:05:49  <fjb> Some people really know how to ask politely.
16:06:03  <davis-> indeed D:
16:07:38  <ozzy> thanks davis
16:08:02  <davis-> yw
16:08:11  *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd53.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd
16:08:26  <fjb> Quak frosch123.
16:09:11  <frosch123> moin fjb :)
16:09:27  <davis-> sers
16:10:06  <ozzy> davis i downloaded my game for free
16:10:33  <davis-> aye ..
16:12:04  <davis-> I'm opped in (7/12) channels on (2) networks. I have the power over (295/740) users.
16:12:08  <fjb> ... money for nothing and games for free...
16:12:10  <davis-> eh , wrong cmd
16:15:28  *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd
16:16:23  *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
16:18:08  *** ozzy [~ozzy@5ad23854.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:21:49  *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:25:34  *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D3D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
16:31:13  *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D3D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd []
16:34:10  <SmatZ> ozzy probably forgot he asked about newgrf 3 years ago http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13567&p=250808#p250808
16:35:27  *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd
16:36:16  <peter1138> Heh, no grfcrawler back then :D
16:37:45  *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm224.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
16:40:19  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r14395 /trunk/src/ (11 files):
16:40:19  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2285]: crashes and GUI desyncs when order is deleted/modified while the timetable window is open
16:40:19  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix: close any dropdown and child windows in the Order and Timetable windows when selected order is deselected, deleted, ...
16:46:35  <davis-> lol
16:47:03  <davis-> magic of old boards
16:47:52  <hylje> what
16:48:55  <davis-> 18:32… @Sm*tZ: ozzy probably forgot he asked about newgrf 3 years ago http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=13567&p=250808#p250808
16:51:47  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r14396 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix: ctrl+right click at 'Go to nearest depot' order scrolled to depot with DepotID == 0
17:07:42  *** tokai [~tokai@p54B808BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:09:49  *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8425A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd
17:09:51  *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
17:14:51  *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd
17:27:38  <Belugas> a guy nicknamed "dude" something is almost a candidate for little brain cells
17:28:03  <Belugas> is almost -- everytime--
17:32:38  *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
17:33:49  *** Sacro1 [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit []
17:34:38  *** Xerres [~Mewes@d-206-53-71-234.cpe.metrocast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:38:47  *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
17:41:39  *** Euro_swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd
17:44:54  *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
17:45:06  *** Euro_swallow is now known as Swallow
17:55:51  <Belugas> welll... at least, he said thanks :)
17:55:57  <Belugas> even if it was thnx...
17:56:05  <Belugas> better then nothing :S
17:56:27  <Rexxars> dude..
17:57:30  <Eddi|zuHause> sweet
17:57:38  <Eddi|zuHause> what's on my back?
17:58:19  <Belugas> hem...
17:58:30  <Belugas> hair?
17:58:30  <Belugas> a shirt?
17:58:40  <Belugas> chocolate spread?
17:58:55  <Belugas> acnea?
17:58:56  <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know your classics :p
17:58:58  <frosch123> Belugas: just say you are too old for that
17:59:07  <Belugas> lol
17:59:11  <Belugas> i guess i am :D
17:59:41  <frosch123> was a nice teeny movie, when I was a teenie :)
18:00:10  <frosch123> hmm, you are allowed to choose your favorite spelling
18:00:31  <Belugas> aaron, not torry
18:00:35  *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D6ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:02:31  *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd
18:03:00  <TrueBrain> frosch123: are you that old? :p
18:03:57  <Eddi|zuHause> 123 :)
18:04:24  <frosch123> TrueBrain: Were you not allowed to see the movie because of its USK?
18:04:45  <TrueBrain> worked 21 hours in the last 2 days ....
18:04:47  <TrueBrain> now that is bad
18:05:05  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I Couldn't read back then
18:05:06  <TrueBrain> :p
18:05:22  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: BC or AD :p
18:05:33  <TrueBrain> 0 BC!
18:05:51  *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has joined #openttd
18:06:16  <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prm3xx3U2io <- just for the sake of it :p
18:06:26  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
18:07:36  *** eQualizer [~lauri@87.94.117.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:11:31  <Belugas> TrueBrain, i know the feeling :)  long hours of work, at home or at work, it's stil ling hours of NO FUCKING FUN
18:16:59  * TrueBrain gives Belugas a cookie: www.amazon.com
18:30:59  *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd
18:31:11  <Brianetta> Is there any way to upload a saved game to a Wiki article?
18:32:22  *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e176224019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd
18:32:32  *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226204166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:32:32  *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl
18:38:16  *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd
18:49:36  <Belugas> "Fairies wear boots and you've got to believe me"
18:54:59  <hylje> YOU CAN'T PROVE THEY DON'T
18:55:46  <frosch123> technically the wee free man are also fairies...
18:55:54  <frosch123> *men
18:55:58  <TrueBrain> I can proof you have your capslock on
18:56:19  <SmatZ> no
18:57:12  <TrueBrain> [20:54] HYLJE KEYLOG *** spacslock ON
18:57:13  <TrueBrain> see
18:57:29  <SmatZ> :-P
18:57:31  <Belugas> "i saw it i saw it with own true eyes"
18:57:33  <Prof_Frink> startkeylogger?
18:57:43  <TrueBrain> Belugas: are there non-true eyes?
18:58:06  <SmatZ> do you mean ʞɔo1sdɐɔ ?
18:58:06  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Yes.
18:58:11  <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: it is already active
18:58:14  <Belugas> blind eyes, eyes of the fool, etc...
18:58:29  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Never heard of beer goggles?
18:59:25  <Belugas> eyes that don't see, eyes of love, Ice
18:59:27  <Belugas> As
18:59:35  <Belugas> Ass
18:59:35  <TrueBrain> I like beer
18:59:42  <SmatZ> so do I
18:59:45  <Nite_Owl> At OpenTTD.org is there a reason for the forum link to go to only to the OpenTTD section of the forums instead of the main Board Index.
18:59:46  <TrueBrain> Belugas: tnx!
19:00:12  <Belugas> it's a pleasure to be illogical :D
19:00:17  <Belugas> tnx... pffff
19:00:24  <Belugas> cool, dude!
19:00:30  <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: ... you really arne't asking that question, are you?
19:00:33  *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-122.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit]
19:00:50  <TrueBrain> why when I dial the pizza places, I don't get directories on the line?
19:02:10  <Belugas> "'Cause smoking and tripping is all that you do"
19:02:14  <Belugas> "Yeeeeeaaaa!"
19:03:04  <Nite_Owl> Sort of. I understand the reason but not everyone is 'clever' enough to notice the Board Index link themselves and then move on to the larger world that make up the forums.
19:03:16  <Ammler> Nite_Owl: you can still load the main index with the logo or "Board index"
19:03:44  *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd
19:03:44  <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: when I call the pizza place, a few people know that they can ask to be redirected to directories ...
19:03:53  <frosch123> Nite_Owl: But it helps neebies to find the correct forum :)
19:06:35  <Nite_Owl> Understood. I did run into someone the other day who didn't know the rest of the forums existed so I was just wondering. Sort of looking to play to the lowest common denominator is all.
19:07:21  <Nite_Owl> I will shut up about it now.
19:08:15  <Ammler> I had once complained why on the wiki page the forum link doesn't like to the openttd category directly
19:09:12  <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: the reversed question we got tons of times when it was pointing to the main board ... your way around is only asked once
19:09:16  <TrueBrain> about 10 minutes ago
19:09:45  <TrueBrain> (and for a link pointing to the subforums for like 3 years, that is impressive ;))
19:10:22  <glx> I guess the link is just forum.openttd.org
19:11:31  <Belugas> speakling of the wiki, someone sud (hihi) add an entry to the main wiki page about HOW TO INSTALL the game
19:11:59  *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÌß]
19:12:06  <Belugas> "huuu... what are thos emissing files, dude?"
19:12:13  <TrueBrain> Belugas: you on the other hand my friend, should not drink as much beer :)
19:12:25  <Belugas> ppffffff
19:12:27  <Belugas> hic
19:13:08  <Nite_Owl> The suds picture was darn funny
19:13:08  <Prof_Frink> cd pub/; more beer
19:13:27  <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page <-- Forum link at bottom (by Player Resource)
19:17:07  *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd
19:20:06  *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit []
19:21:59  *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]]
19:22:34  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:25:08  *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-168-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd
19:25:40  <blathijs> So, wrote another monster post about OpenGFX licensing on the forums...
19:25:55  <blathijs> I intended to write a quick reply...
19:26:13  <Eddi|zuHause> just the usual stuff, then :p
19:27:24  <blathijs> The conclusion is that GPLv2 would be just fine for OpenGFX, so that's good :-)
19:29:14  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd
19:33:02  *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
19:33:39  *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd
19:33:40  *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd
19:38:11  *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:38:32  *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
19:38:32  *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ
19:43:51  * Sacro cuddles Bjarni upon his return
19:44:04  *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [Sacro]
19:53:03  *** welshdragon2 [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
19:53:34  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
19:55:48  *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd
19:56:24  <Wolf01> hello
19:57:14  *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:58:38  <ln> ladies and gentlemen, Bjarni has left the channel.
19:59:23  *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
19:59:48  <Sacro_> and the smell has gone with him
20:00:39  <welshdragon2> Sacro_, you evil bastard
20:00:42  <Sacro_> :P
20:00:54  <Nite_Owl> Elvis voice: Thank You Very Much.
20:01:01  <Sacro_> Bjarni loves me really
20:02:41  <welshdragon2> rofl
20:03:02  *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-236.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd
20:04:03  *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd
20:04:06  *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ
20:04:32  *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit []
20:10:19  *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]]
20:10:51  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:14:29  <Yexo> nice post blathijs, it explains pretty well why gpl v2 is a good option
20:15:54  *** nkx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd
20:15:56  *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:16:01  <davis-> gn
20:16:09  *** davis- [~asd@p5B28BC51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )]
20:16:46  *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon]
20:21:20  <Wolf01> http://www.urlesque.com/2008/09/09/black-herbal-toothpase-looks-like-it-fell-out-of-a-dog/ -_-'''
20:23:07  <ln> ladies and gentlemen, Bjarni has re-entered the channel.
20:23:13  <ln> and re-left.
20:25:40  *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA94.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
20:26:15  *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd
20:30:30  *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd53.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:30:31  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd
20:32:01  *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet564.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:32:24  *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet564.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd
20:38:55  *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke]
20:40:31  *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!]
20:46:39  *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
20:51:57  *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd
20:54:29  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
20:59:47  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
20:59:50  <Ammler> I don't see why the license is that important, you didn't need it for distributing the generic trams...
21:00:19  *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:00:30  *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
21:00:43  *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-156-59-75.range86-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd
21:01:00  <Nite_Owl> That was a single person project I believe
21:02:08  *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.145.115.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:02:28  <Nite_Owl> So no need for any kind of consensus
21:04:24  <Ammler> I could understand that discussion, if it would be for ALL NewGRFs, but it is only for one .
21:05:15  <Ammler> THAT is something, what should happen, a NewGRF repo with the same license for every author.
21:06:07  <Ammler> but there are already some authors saying, I will give my sprites for OpenGFX as GPL, but the others as CC etc....
21:07:22  <peter1138> Why should all authors distribute their work under the same license?
21:07:33  <peter1138> (Their separate works, that is)
21:07:44  <Ammler> wouldn't it make a "REPO" easier?
21:08:06  <peter1138> Giving me lots of money would make things easier, and I don't see that happening either.
21:08:44  <Ammler> how would that make it easier?
21:09:46  <Ammler> why was there no such discussions for other "Forum" GRFs like USSet, JPSet etc.?
21:10:03  *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon
21:10:07  <Ammler> or ISR
21:10:31  <Ammler> they needed around 5 posts to decide that.
21:11:13  <Nite_Owl> larger group = larger number of opinions
21:11:33  <Eddi|zuHause> because USSet, JPSet etc. are not intended to be an integral part of OpenTTD
21:11:46  <Nite_Owl> That too
21:12:48  <Ammler> if it would become integral part of OpenTTD, it would not need a license
21:13:01  <Ammler> it would use the same...
21:13:18  <Ammler> afaik, it will only be distributed with, like generic trams.
21:13:57  <Nite_Owl> That's the conclusion that was finally reached after all of the discussions
21:13:58  <Prof_Frink> Ammler: If it was part of openTTD is specifically needs a license that is compatible with GPLv2
21:14:51  <Ammler> well, I just mean, they needed around 10 pages to decide GPL is fine, other projects with same amount of people needed 5 posts.
21:17:10  <Nite_Owl> The discussion did go on for longer then was needed but that is just the way it goes sometimes
21:17:14  *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
21:18:56  *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg]
21:19:14  <Ammler> Prof_Frink: or no license like most things "addons" have.
21:19:15  *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd
21:21:52  *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ
21:31:08  *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
21:34:03  <Wolf01> 'night
21:34:15  *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.]
21:36:08  <blathijs> Yexo: Now let's just hope I've gathered enough license-fu over the years to make my interpretations actually correct :-)
21:45:50  <peter1138> Errr
21:45:58  <peter1138> Saving a network game as a spectator...
21:46:04  <peter1138> (undefined string), 14th May 2040
21:46:43  <peter1138> And an empty error message when loading it...
21:46:56  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe put the server name instead of the company name?
21:48:56  *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!]
21:51:18  *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd
22:09:27  *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:09:43  *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd
22:12:01  *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176224019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"]
22:16:39  *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:29:13  *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-168-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:39:02  *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:39:22  *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...]
22:44:20  *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8425A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:46:45  *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82232.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd
22:46:47  *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
23:04:52  *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd
23:11:33  *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C016.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:25:50  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14397 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp video/win32_v.cpp win32.cpp): -Fix: possible buffer overrun, wrong parameter type passed to printf and && where || is meant. Found by MSVC's code analysis (Darkvater)
23:29:22  *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd
23:29:49  *** elmex [~elmex@e180064184.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:31:40  <Eddi|zuHause> someone having a relapse? :p
23:32:14  <Rubidium> nah, someone playing with his university's toys
23:33:31  <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=39740
23:39:59  *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #openttd []
23:40:19  *** fjb [~frank@p5485FB76.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd
23:40:23  <fjb> Hello
23:43:54  *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
23:45:03  <Ammler> Brianetta: I like that idea with the stop line to turn around.
23:45:41  <Ammler> I never reached that it worked...
23:47:09  <Brianetta> Ammler: Check out the saved game
23:49:31  <Ammler> yeah, just did, dunno, what I have done wrong.
23:52:59  <Ammler> nice guide, but
23:53:19  <Ammler> it isn't such a "special style", imo.
23:54:58  <Brianetta> It's not special
23:54:59  <Brianetta> it's mine
23:55:06  <Brianetta> which is why it's in my user space
23:55:16  <Ammler> :-P
23:55:33  <Brianetta> All my terminus stations are really rarely used
23:55:48  <Brianetta> Mostly they're used by people who learned it from me on my server
23:56:16  <Ammler> did you play already with NARS2?
23:56:21  <Brianetta> no
23:56:27  <Ammler> there are trains, which don't turn around
23:56:35  <Brianetta> at the end of the line?
23:56:38  <Ammler> you need to do that with orders... and sidlines
23:56:53  <Brianetta> Plenty of scope for that
23:57:12  <Ammler> well, actually, dunno if NARS2 has those, but Canset has it for sure.
23:57:41  <Ammler> Brianetta: yes, they are called push&pull on the canset.
23:58:17  <Ammler> Brianetta: http://www.openttdcoop.org/ammler/test-0000.mpeg
23:59:57  *** Zorn [zorn@e177230167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd

Powered by YARRSTE version: svn-trunk