Log for #openttd on 1st November 2008:
Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:04:21  *** welshdragon [~vista@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:13:18  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:21:18  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
00:30:54  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
00:32:49  *** Eddi|zuHause [] has quit []
00:33:22  *** Eddi|zuHause [] has joined #openttd
00:34:40  *** Zahl [] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar]
00:35:28  *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz
00:45:14  *** rortom [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:45:58  *** rortom [] has joined #openttd
00:56:04  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
01:03:31  *** Frostregen_ [] has joined #openttd
01:09:10  *** Frostregen [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:09:10  *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen
01:18:32  *** Chrill [] has quit []
01:20:05  *** rortom [] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:40:22  *** svippery [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:44:05  *** FRQuadrat [] has joined #openttd
01:45:13  *** FR^2 [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
01:48:00  *** KritiK [] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
01:50:59  *** svip [] has joined #openttd
01:59:16  *** FRQuadrat [] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...]
02:08:44  *** stillunknown [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:09:50  *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@] has quit [Quit:]
02:10:14  *** fjb [] has quit []
02:36:39  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:39:27  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
02:56:51  *** Char [] has joined #openttd
02:56:57  *** Char2 [] has joined #openttd
03:10:24  <Char2> anyone awake?
03:15:52  <Aali> no
03:16:14  <Sacro> nope
03:31:20  *** glx [] has quit [Quit: bye]
03:55:29  <thingwath> :)
03:56:23  <thingwath> waiting for train
03:56:33  <Aali> so what are you doing this fine but terribly cold morning?
03:57:38  <thingwath> I hope I will not fall asleep
03:58:10  <thingwath> especially not at the train
03:59:09  <Aali> i believe the correct phrase is 'on the train'
03:59:38  <thingwath> You are right :-)
03:59:42  <Aali> i was thinking about pulling an all-nighter myself
03:59:59  <Aali> but then i remembered how much i love my beauty sleep
04:00:33  <thingwath> train leaves at 6:03
04:00:53  <thingwath> there is no way to wake up before 6 at morning, so...
04:01:22  <Aali> yeah, i feel ya
04:03:01  *** elmex_ [] has joined #openttd
04:04:34  <thingwath> if I only knew how long it will take to the train station
04:04:37  *** Frostregen [] has quit [Quit: und weg]
04:05:23  *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
04:06:11  *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit []
04:07:54  *** elmex [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:07:58  *** elmex_ is now known as elmex
04:09:56  <thingwath> and there are still some sausages left, blah, I'm not hungry anymore
04:19:43  *** Char2 [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:22:29  *** Char [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
04:27:53  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
04:29:17  <Aali> great, spambots on the forums
05:09:34  *** Fuco [] has quit [Quit: Quit]
07:11:12  *** Gekz [] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
07:21:49  *** jpm [] has joined #openttd
07:22:40  <jpm> Hi
07:24:18  <jpm> From where I can find unicode/ubidi.h
07:31:03  *** Gekz [] has joined #openttd
07:31:55  <Aali> jpm: its probably in the new and improved or whatever that file is called
07:34:05  <jpm> Aali: okey, how to compile without icu?
07:34:44  <Aali> no idea
07:35:45  <jpm> btw, is there any editor for grf files?
07:35:56  <Aali> surely there must be some kind of ./configure switch?
07:36:10  <Aali> i have heard good things about grfmaker
07:36:17  <Aali> but i haven't tried it
07:50:49  *** Wolf01 [] has joined #openttd
07:51:06  <Wolf01> hello
07:53:49  *** Alberth [] has joined #openttd
08:12:05  * jpm wondering how to compile openttd with icu disabled in MSVC
08:25:25  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
08:25:31  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has joined #openttd
08:27:15  *** Purno [] has joined #openttd
08:46:38  *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@] has joined #openttd
08:51:43  *** TinoM [] has joined #openttd
08:53:09  *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
09:06:58  *** Modulator [] has joined #openttd
09:07:27  *** Singaporekid [] has joined #openttd
09:08:09  <Modulator> hello
09:09:24  <Modulator> i can't find a guide to bribing, could someone quickly tell me how to do that :)
09:15:39  *** Purno [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:22:10  *** nekx [] has joined #openttd
09:34:58  *** roboboy [] has joined #openttd
09:37:01  *** Progman [] has joined #openttd
09:40:43  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:40:49  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has joined #openttd
09:59:09  *** frosch123 [] has joined #openttd
10:02:36  *** mikl [] has joined #openttd
10:13:37  *** Vikthor [] has joined #openttd
10:41:31  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:41:36  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has joined #openttd
10:42:04  <Alberth> It does not really qualify as 'quick', but after enabling bribing in the advanced settings, you should be able to select it from the town action window (same one where you can also select advertising campaigns).
10:44:08  *** PhoenixII [] has joined #openttd
10:44:09  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:45:42  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has joined #openttd
10:45:51  *** PhoenixII [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:46:29  <frosch123> Is it missing a refresh? Or do you not have enough money?
10:46:55  <Modulator> yes, i got it, thanks!
10:47:24  *** Mark [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
10:49:29  *** roboboy [] has quit [Quit: ajax IRC Client]
10:54:30  <dih> <jpm> [08:34:05] Aali: okey, how to compile without icu? <- with a braille interfacie :-P
11:01:10  <TrueBrain> morning peepz
11:06:04  *** roboboy [] has joined #openttd
11:12:46  <dih> morning tb
11:17:52  *** M4rk [] has joined #openttd
11:17:56  *** M4rk is now known as Mark
11:25:10  *** Mark [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:26:43  *** M4rk [] has joined #openttd
11:26:47  *** M4rk is now known as Mark
11:34:02  *** Mortal [] has joined #openttd
11:34:40  *** skidd13 [] has joined #openttd
11:35:24  *** skidd13 [] has left #openttd []
11:36:17  *** [com]buster [] has joined #openttd
11:42:35  *** grumbel [] has joined #openttd
11:53:56  <Ammler> roboboy: are you robotboy from tt-forums?
11:54:36  *** Swallow [] has joined #openttd
11:54:50  <roboboy> yes
11:55:06  <Ammler> that "dump ass" was for you, I hope. :-)
11:55:15  <TrueBrain> dump ass? That is new ..
11:55:22  <TrueBrain> I dump garbage .. but an ass?
11:55:32  *** tokai [] has joined #openttd
11:55:33  *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
11:55:33  <Ammler> MB thread
11:56:08  <Ammler> ah, dumb
11:57:07  <TrueBrain> who are you calling dumb here?
11:57:15  <Ammler> me?
11:57:19  <TrueBrain> yeah
11:57:22  <TrueBrain> you are most likely right
11:57:26  <Ammler> someone on tt-forums called that
11:57:47  <Ammler> but it is not clear, if he meant roboboy or MB
11:58:38  *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry
11:59:33  <petern> it is clear
11:59:40  <roboboy> I think they ment me
11:59:47  <Ammler> that it is good.
11:59:54  <Ammler> then
12:00:09  <Ammler> MB took it for him.
12:00:12  <petern> he meant MB
12:00:15  <petern> that is obvious
12:00:24  <roboboy> and I was refering to my original post when I quoted him about the licence issue
12:00:30  <roboboy> someone else replied
12:13:08  *** Char [] has joined #openttd
12:13:12  *** Char2 [] has joined #openttd
12:14:17  *** rortom [] has joined #openttd
12:17:54  *** stillunknown [] has joined #openttd
12:20:14  <TrueBrain> Char / Char2: why do you always come in 2?
12:20:23  <TrueBrain> afraid you miss something? :p
12:21:46  <rortom> morning everyone
12:23:05  <frosch123> TrueBrain: He ha a multiple personallity, and both of him want to join
12:26:07  <Ammler> oh, :-)
12:31:51  <dih> [13:20]  <TrueBrain> Char / Char2: why do you always come in 2? <- perhaps he should just simply join as "string" :-P
12:32:09  <TrueBrain> bad joke :p
12:32:37  <dih> yep :-P
12:34:04  * TrueBrain waits patiently till kdevelop is finally finished
12:36:51  <Alberth> TrueBrain: that would be the first finished open source project, probably
12:37:30  *** tokai [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
12:37:40  <Ammler> is there a finished not OS project?
12:38:27  * frosch123 is sure there are a lot finished open source versions of "Hello World"
12:38:30  <Ammler> hmm, maybe solitaire
12:39:02  <TrueBrain> Alberth: kdevelop is FAR from finished in developing ..
12:39:18  <TrueBrain> so most likely, that was not what I was refering to :p
12:39:20  <Ammler> no hg support :-)
12:40:52  *** Zahl [] has joined #openttd
12:44:26  <TrueBrain> frosch123: is there really a 'release' of a 'application' which produces Hello World?
12:45:27  <frosch123> true, they lack proper versioning
12:46:01  <Alberth> TrueBrain: yes, GNU released one, and does read email, so it must be considered finished
12:46:30  <TrueBrain> so I should considered thunderbird finished too?
12:46:38  <TrueBrain> I don't get that 'does read email' argument for 'being finished'
12:53:12  *** Gekz [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
12:53:58  *** Gekz [] has joined #openttd
12:55:14  *** prophet [] has joined #openttd
12:55:45  <prophet> Hi, i'd like to deliver goods to a desert city. How can i get it to accept them?
12:56:01  <Alberth> TrueBrain: At a point in the development of a program, devs tend to start adding bells and whistles to the app rather than improving the core. As a sarcastic remark to this practice one may comment "oh, the prog doesn't read email yet, so it cannot be finished".
12:56:20  <TrueBrain> ;)
12:56:22  <TrueBrain> fair enough :)
12:56:24  <Alberth> prophet: make the city grow first by giving it water and transport mail and passengers
12:56:38  <prophet> Alberth, ok
12:57:00  <prophet> Alberth, water by itself isn't enough?
12:57:21  <frosch123> "GNU hello" is quite complex
12:57:35  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain:
12:57:39  <Alberth> No afaik, but you can try
12:58:10  <Alberth> Prof_Frink: yes, I was looking for that. Thanks.
12:58:12  <prophet> Alberth, ok thanks
12:59:00  <Alberth> prophet: basically you need 8/8 or more goods acceptance of all houses in the catchment area of the station
12:59:29  <prophet> ok
13:00:06  *** mortal` [] has joined #openttd
13:00:17  <frosch123> "const void &data" <- someone knows an allowed way of doing that? Or do I have to use "const void *data" ?
13:00:36  *** welshdragon [~vista@] has joined #openttd
13:00:49  *** mortal`` [] has joined #openttd
13:00:55  <Alberth> frosch123: I don't know a 'void' value you could insert in data
13:01:40  <frosch123> well, I can cast every pointer to "void *"
13:01:53  <TrueBrain> frosch123: 'void *', yes
13:01:54  <frosch123> so isn't there a way to pass any variable as reference?
13:01:56  <TrueBrain> void &, no :p
13:02:03  <TrueBrain> void &* maybe ;)
13:02:26  <frosch123> that sucks :(
13:02:28  <Alberth> frosch123: const (void *) &data  should work
13:02:31  <Eddi|zuHause> what's a void &* supposed to be?
13:02:48  <frosch123> a reference to a pointer
13:02:49  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: reference call by void *
13:02:55  <TrueBrain> so void *& is most likely the correct syntax ;)
13:03:47  *** welshdragon2 [~vista@] has joined #openttd
13:05:16  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: there is a big difference between "this variable contains nothing" and "i just don't know what data this pointer points to"
13:06:15  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: in pascal "procedure foo(var bar);" is valid
13:07:21  *** Mortal [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:08:10  *** mortal` [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:09:43  *** prophet [] has quit [Quit: Quit]
13:10:36  *** welshdragon [~vista@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:17:13  *** rortom [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:28:05  *** rortom [] has joined #openttd
13:28:30  *** Mark [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
13:31:23  *** M4rk [] has joined #openttd
13:31:27  *** M4rk is now known as Mark
13:32:31  *** Knight_Owl [] has joined #openttd
13:32:58  *** Knight_Owl is now known as Nite_Owl
13:33:39  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
13:34:13  <roboboy> gnight
13:36:46  *** roboboy [] has quit [Quit: ajax IRC Client]
13:39:16  *** DephNet[Paul] [] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
13:39:34  *** DephNet[Paul] [] has joined #openttd
13:41:27  *** fjb [] has joined #openttd
13:41:35  <fjb> Hello
13:43:14  <frosch123> moin
13:44:10  <ln> anglish only
13:44:30  <fjb> Quak frosch123
13:44:40  <fjb> Moin ln
13:46:14  *** Reemo [] has joined #openttd
13:47:07  <ln>
13:47:54  <frosch123> welsh only?
13:47:56  <fjb> english only
13:48:10  *** Frostregen [] has joined #openttd
13:48:16  <TrueBrain> stupid kdevelop still not finished ..
13:48:23  <TrueBrain> it required kde-libs:3.5 first :(
13:48:29  <TrueBrain> (which requires qt:3)
13:49:41  * fjb is still using kde3.
13:49:43  <Ammler> do you already use KDE4?
13:50:06  <fjb> Hello TrueBrain, hope you didn't fall down yesterday.
13:50:31  *** Dr_Jekyll [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
13:52:05  <TrueBrain> fjb: I in fact did several time
13:52:18  <TrueBrain> Ammler: KDE4 installed, yes, but currently I am running xfre4
13:52:27  <TrueBrain> fjb: but falling down is part of the process of getting up ;)
13:52:32  <rortom> server still desynced :'(
13:52:44  <Ammler> TrueBrain: I use xfce4 :-)
13:52:44  <rortom> *still = again
13:52:46  * fjb hopes that TrueBrain landed in the arms of a cute girl everytime.
13:53:06  <TrueBrain> fjb: well, that too
13:53:10  <TrueBrain> but you are attached to a rope
13:53:13  <TrueBrain> so it aint that bad ;)
13:53:24  <TrueBrain> the longest fall I made was 5 meters, 20 cm above ground I came to a hold :p
13:53:37  <Ammler> but mostly with KDE software
13:53:41  <TrueBrain> (I missed a set :p)
13:53:43  <fjb> So the part about the cute girl is even better.
13:55:23  <fjb> Why stopping earlier then nedded? :-)
13:55:32  <fjb> than
13:56:44  <TrueBrain> <- me in a foot-lock over  a 90degree turn :p
13:57:07  <TrueBrain> <- me and that 'cute girl' :p
13:57:08  <TrueBrain> haha
13:57:47  <TrueBrain> (I should scale those images down I guess :p)
13:58:48  <fjb> The girl wouldn't look that cute when scaled down.
13:58:57  <TrueBrain> hehe
13:59:09  <TrueBrain> <- falling at that point means a drop of about 4 meters :p
13:59:25  <TrueBrain> (well, in this case it is top-rope, so most likely a bit less, but still :p)
13:59:30  <rortom> :D
13:59:36  <rortom> what climbing center?
14:00:01  <TrueBrain> in The Netherlands
14:00:24  <rortom> neoliet?
14:00:25  * fjb would fall down just above the ground.
14:00:36  * rortom goes climbing in bristol
14:00:37  <TrueBrain> neoliet?
14:00:48  <rortom> its a franchise of climbing halls
14:00:55  <rortom> in germany and the netherlands
14:01:02  <TrueBrain> doesn't ring any bell :p
14:01:05  <TrueBrain> (sorry :))
14:01:05  <rortom> ;)
14:01:38  <TrueBrain> the biggest indoor climbing halls in the Netherlands are from "klimmuur" .. I am there most of the time :) (those pics are from an other, but still :p)
14:01:54  <rortom> nice, i will have to look it up
14:01:59  <TrueBrain> klimmuur stupid enough, is a directly translation of "climbing wall"
14:02:13  <TrueBrain> but they have 70 meter halls :) :)
14:02:34  <rortom> oh, wtf
14:02:39  <rortom> thats height
14:02:42  <TrueBrain> yup
14:02:48  <TrueBrain> considering a normal rope is 70 meters long
14:02:51  <rortom> cool :D
14:02:55  <rortom> yeah :P
14:03:00  <TrueBrain> it means you need to detach your rope half-way, get your second guy up
14:03:02  <rortom> they dont provide ropes?
14:03:04  <TrueBrain> attach yourself again, and continue :p
14:03:09  <rortom> oh, nice :D
14:03:31  <rortom> i wanted to do this, but it makes no fun in 5m :\
14:03:35  <TrueBrain> well, I believe it is only 64 meters heigh, but okay :p
14:03:48  <rortom> we have only ~20 around here
14:03:57  <TrueBrain> most other halls have that too, yes :p
14:04:25  <rortom> that calls for a visit to the netherlands :D
14:04:29  <TrueBrain> hehe
14:04:34  <TrueBrain> then go directly to Belgium
14:04:35  <TrueBrain> outdoor
14:04:39  <TrueBrain> 120m is no problem
14:04:44  <Ammler> TrueBrain: you need those halls in holland :-)
14:04:49  <TrueBrain> (damn, you are VERY tired when you do that ...)
14:05:24  <TrueBrain> rortom: too bad you can't do those lengths top-rope, which means youneed to follow a few courses before you can do them ;)
14:05:29  <rortom> i must get better again first, and indoor is a good training without risking your life ;)
14:05:43  <TrueBrain> well, this year 1 person died indoor ..
14:05:48  <rortom> :(
14:06:00  <TrueBrain> the second guy 'forgot' to attach his euh ..translation .. 'security device' to the rope
14:06:13  <TrueBrain> the person at the top thought she was going down top-rope style
14:06:22  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Don't make me make my cold worse.
14:06:24  <TrueBrain> the person below thought she was going to hook herself up, and let the person down climb up
14:06:27  <TrueBrain> so .. long fall :p
14:06:28  <rortom> argh s**
14:06:30  <rortom> :|
14:06:32  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Belay plate.
14:06:37  <rortom> ^
14:07:00  <TrueBrain> worst part: those 2 were climbing with eachothe for ages
14:07:02  <rortom> so you have to lead climb, second climb in those areas?
14:07:03  <TrueBrain> then is when the mistakes happen :p
14:07:19  <rortom> yes, you always have to double check :(
14:07:38  <TrueBrain> walls > 20m are hard to do top-rope style
14:07:46  <TrueBrain> (ropes simply aren't that long :p)
14:08:46  <rortom> oh, you can get long ropes
14:08:51  <rortom> i own 70m
14:08:59  <TrueBrain> 70m is the longest rope you can use
14:09:04  <TrueBrain> any longer is very dangerous
14:09:09  <rortom> mh, arent there longer ones?
14:09:13  <rortom> ah, yes
14:09:17  <TrueBrain> (what is it .. ever 1m extends 10cm when you put weight on it?)
14:09:20  <rortom> from the usage-side
14:09:37  <rortom> yeah, something like that
14:09:38  <TrueBrain> so a 70m rope extends 7m or something .. that really is the most ;)
14:09:46  <rortom> nice fall :P
14:09:47  <TrueBrain> any longer is just ... well .. not good for you :p
14:10:03  <rortom> also after 3-4 falls you can throw the rope away :\
14:10:10  <TrueBrain> the standard says 12, but yeah
14:10:27  <TrueBrain> (well, depending on the diameter of course)
14:10:32  <rortom> yeah
14:10:34  <TrueBrain> but I assume you don't have 7mm rope :p
14:10:38  <rortom> hehe, no
14:11:01  <rortom> sometimes i secure with gri-gri and then you need a bigger diameter
14:11:09  <TrueBrain> then you WANT bigger :p
14:11:11  <rortom> not for lead climb for sure ;)
14:11:14  <rortom> haha :p
14:11:34  <TrueBrain> but anyway, climbing is nice and cool to do :)
14:11:40  <rortom> agreed
14:11:41  <Prof_Frink> ^ this.
14:11:51  <rortom> the climbing hall in utrecht is no more?
14:12:00  *** Dred_furst [] has joined #openttd
14:12:01  <TrueBrain> dunno, Utrect is too far away form me to consider :)
14:12:12  <rortom> where is those 70m wall?
14:12:22  <TrueBrain> something with a B, I always forget :(
14:12:31  <TrueBrain> will look it up for you, ask me again tomorrow or so :)
14:14:07  <rortom> thanks, that would be cool :)
14:14:15  * SpComb goes climbing less often than he should
14:14:25  <SpComb> although I'm not really very good at it, sadly
14:14:27  <TrueBrain> hehe, we should go climb with this channel some day ;)
14:14:47  <TrueBrain> that 'cute girl' of before .. she is climbing for 2 months now, and doing things I can't even do
14:14:55  <TrueBrain> so getting good is just a matter of doing, and daring ;)
14:15:12  <TrueBrain> (and of course, knowing, but okay :p)
14:15:18  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I'm starting to annoy people in my club.
14:15:30  <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: why? You stink that much? :p (hehe, sorry :))
14:15:42  <Prof_Frink> I've been climbing about 6 months and am outclimbing people that've been doing it for years
14:15:49  <SpComb> I even got a bunch of "liikuntaseteleitÀ" (pieces of paper worth 4€ at various sport-related places) from work, which more or less means that I can go climbing for free
14:15:56  <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: can I ask how old you are?
14:16:01  *** welshdragon2 [~vista@] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
14:16:05  <SpComb> but I just do it way too rarely
14:16:06  <Prof_Frink> 23
14:16:25  *** welshdragon2 [~vista@] has joined #openttd
14:16:30  <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: then it is impressive ;) (young people, like 12 or so, are known to outclimb others very fast, because they don't understand the concept of height :p)
14:16:43  <rortom> i think its about dedication and weight/power rate
14:16:53  <TrueBrain> rortom: and technique :)
14:16:59  <TrueBrain> knowing what you need to do, and what you can do
14:17:00  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I do have the advantage of not weighing anything.
14:17:00  <rortom> yes, experience
14:17:04  <SpComb> except when they can't really reach the next grip because it's designed for someone who has 10cm longer hands than you do
14:17:18  <TrueBrain> that friend of mine knows exactly where here middle-mass-point is .. and she uses that in an insane way
14:17:19  *** yorick [] has joined #openttd
14:17:24  <TrueBrain> I sometimes have rouble finding it ;)
14:17:40  <rortom> :p
14:17:41  <TrueBrain> SpComb: that is bull :) When you can't reach something, you are going too high too fast :p
14:17:51  *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:17:54  *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon
14:18:23  <TrueBrain> but, most people forget the 1 basic rule in climbing: first hands, then feet, then your ass; not any combination of those :p
14:18:39  <SpComb> myes, it's a bit of a bad example
14:19:15  <TrueBrain> grr, now kdeveop is installed, but it fails :(
14:19:17  <SpComb> and as I said, I'm not as good at climbing as I wish I was
14:19:26  <TrueBrain> go climb more ;)
14:19:29  <TrueBrain> come and visit :)
14:19:35  <TrueBrain> take rortom and Prof_Frink with you :)
14:19:38  <rortom> :p
14:19:58  <rortom> i life in west germany normally, so not a long way to the netherlands ;)
14:20:22  <TrueBrain> I live in the west of the Netherlands :p
14:20:25  *** stillunk1own [] has joined #openttd
14:21:43  <rortom> mh, im not at home in the next six months either, so ;)
14:22:11  *** stillunknown [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:22:15  <TrueBrain> STUPID KDEVELOP
14:22:18  <TrueBrain> I need an other IDE ..
14:22:29  <rortom> ^
14:22:34  <rortom> i try to avoid it
14:22:41  <rortom> i use vim/kate :\
14:23:57  *** tokai [] has joined #openttd
14:24:00  *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
14:24:04  *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has joined #openttd
14:24:07  <TrueBrain> I really love a good IDE for developing in big projects, like OpenTTD
14:24:16  <TrueBrain> switching between files mostly
14:24:30  <TrueBrain> (that in fact is all I use .. the syntax highlighter, and the ability to switch files with my mouse :p
14:25:32  <rortom> thats why i use kate
14:25:43  <rortom> switch files with alt+keys thats fast and nice
14:25:51  <rortom> or screen + vim combination
14:25:52  *** batti5 [~batti5@] has joined #openttd
14:27:10  <fjb> gvim is also nice, easy to switch files with the mouse and great syntax highlighting.
14:27:14  *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-coding
14:27:17  *** Yeggs-coding is now known as Yeggs-away
14:27:39  <TrueBrain> problem with vim is that you need to save to switch
14:27:45  <TrueBrain> (or open multiple vims, but that sucks :p
14:27:54  <frosch123> fjb: is it able to detect "#if 0", "#else", "#endif" and highlights it as comment?
14:28:08  <fjb> frosch123: Yes
14:28:27  <frosch123> ok, that something not a lot can do :)
14:28:44  <rortom> kate can also ;)
14:28:48  <TrueBrain> ha, fixed kdevelop
14:28:49  <TrueBrain> sort of
14:28:53  <TrueBrain> will try kate neverthless :p
14:28:58  <rortom> hehe ;)
14:29:03  <fjb> TrueBrain: you don't need to save with the graphical version of vim.
14:30:05  <fjb> Even with the text version you can have multiple files open at the same time and switch between them.
14:30:46  <TrueBrain> kate looks nice :)
14:31:22  <TrueBrain> now I only need to find a way to both see the browser, and see the open files ..
14:31:34  <rortom> left side panel
14:31:39  <rortom> just open multiple files
14:31:55  <TrueBrain> when you put "Documents" on the top, it still shows vertical .. it is better if that would be horizontal
14:32:35  <TrueBrain> ah, found it :)
14:32:37  <rortom> agreed, but IMO its better on the side if you have ~30 open files ;)
14:32:39  <TrueBrain> "Kate Tab Bar Extension"
14:32:48  <rortom> ah, good to know :)
14:32:55  <SpComb> TrueBrain: vim has tabs
14:33:12  * SpComb makes do quite well with just next-tab/prev-tab/new-tab
14:33:26  <SpComb> although I don't edit more than a dozen or so source files at a time
14:33:51  <rortom> TrueBrain: be sure to fix indenting settings and local saving with .~ files in the kate options
14:34:02  <TrueBrain> just walking over them, yes :)
14:34:26  <rortom> indention mode "c style" is nice to use also
14:34:34  <TrueBrain> just enabled it :)
14:34:40  <TrueBrain> Remove Trailing Spaces on Load/Save
14:34:42  <TrueBrain> I love such options :)
14:34:52  * rortom as well
14:35:05  <rortom> but the diff on commit will look soo bad ;)
14:35:12  <TrueBrain> not in OpenTTD
14:35:16  <TrueBrain> trailing spaces are refused at commit
14:35:21  <rortom> nice :)
14:35:22  <TrueBrain> so it is almost impossible to introduce them ;)
14:35:25  <rortom> hehe :p
14:36:25  <TrueBrain> xfce4 tends to screw up windows from time to time, with complete garbage :p
14:38:18  <rortom> good that i use fluxbox then ;)
14:38:43  <TrueBrain> okay, NoAI ... where was I ...
14:39:17  <TrueBrain> kate can't compile .. too bad :p
14:39:20  *** lobstar [~michielbi@] has joined #openttd
14:40:02  <fjb> TrueBrain: Then try vim... :-)
14:40:10  <TrueBrain> like vim can compile ..
14:40:49  <TrueBrain> lol, no libsdl .. reinstalling your computer really can be a bitch :p
14:40:56  <fjb> You can teach it to call the compiler (or what ever)
14:41:15  <frosch123> fjb: yes, you can also open a shell in a subwindow
14:41:25  <TrueBrain> which works for any editor :p
14:41:53  * fjb hates sdl for always setting GNU_SOURCE.
14:44:24  *** lobster [~michielbi@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:47:48  *** Fuco [] has joined #openttd
14:47:56  *** Aylomen [] has joined #openttd
14:48:11  *** Char2 [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:48:11  *** Char [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:49:02  <Eddi|zuHause> surely you can teach kate to call make...
14:49:57  <rortom> TrueBrain: see "terminal" button
14:50:46  <TrueBrain> rortom: yeah, but that still means manual ;)
14:50:59  <rortom> :p
14:51:11  <TrueBrain> in kdevelop, you can hit F4, and it goes to the file
14:51:12  <TrueBrain> useful ;)
14:51:33  <rortom> 'make' and enter? ;)
14:51:41  <TrueBrain> when there is an error
14:51:44  <TrueBrain> does it go to the file? :p
14:51:47  <rortom> no
14:51:54  <TrueBrain> sorry, I meant upon error, in the kdevelop sentence above
14:51:56  <rortom> CTRL+G
14:52:07  <rortom> then enter line no
14:52:16  <TrueBrain> still I need to open the right file :p
14:52:18  <TrueBrain> hehe
14:52:25  <TrueBrain> hmm .. segfault .. bah
14:52:41  <TrueBrain> not what I was hoping for ;)
14:52:59  <TrueBrain> merging stuff is always a bitch
14:54:03  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I guess not initalizing a value falls under my mistake? :p
14:54:17  *** Nite_Owl [] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon]
15:02:11  *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone
15:18:55  <Alberth> how to prevent a window resize in horizontal direction?
15:19:40  *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:20:23  <rortom> mh?
15:21:02  <Alberth> rortom: 'mh' ?
15:21:09  <yorick> mh?mh?
15:25:36  *** lobster_MB [] has joined #openttd
15:28:36  <rortom> what do you mean by that sentence?
15:28:48  <rortom> you can resize in any direction?
15:29:02  <Alberth> I am programming a window, and only want to allow vertical resizing
15:29:57  <rortom> ah, mhm
15:30:09  <Alberth> don't understand how to do that (step_width == 0 and 1 both don't work)
15:30:18  <rortom> idk, sorry
15:31:24  <Alberth> doesn't seem possible
15:32:06  <rortom> mh
15:32:21  <rortom> just prevent resising by using the callback then?
15:32:30  <rortom> and then just reset the width every time?
15:32:50  <rortom> *resizing
15:33:07  <yorick> try setting the step_width to something high
15:33:31  <TrueBrain> step_width is for the scrollbar
15:34:21  *** ben_goodger [] has quit [Quit: Good pie!]
15:36:53  <Alberth> w->resize.step_width is for the scrollbar? (don't think so).  In the mean time I found a solution, set the step_width to 1 and don't have horizontal resizing bits in the widgets seems to do the trick.
15:37:11  <TrueBrain> the latter alone should be enough :p
15:37:54  <Alberth> step_width == 1 is default value, so yeah :P
15:41:51  *** welshdra-gone [~vista@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
15:42:05  <Alberth> Scrolled advanced settings, isn't it fun?
15:42:31  <TrueBrain> cool:)
15:42:49  *** mortal`` is now known as Mortal
15:44:06  <Eddi|zuHause> next step: presets for each group ;)
15:47:15  <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: I really have no clue what to do with difficulty-like settings here. 'reset to default' is easy, but beyond that?
15:48:10  <Alberth> That kind of blocks merging 'difficulty' window to here as well
15:53:24  *** Alberth [] has left #openttd []
15:53:57  *** Brianetta [] has joined #openttd
16:06:50  <Eddi|zuHause> well, you could start out with default/custom
16:07:18  <Eddi|zuHause> and then figure out what can be done about adding default values per preset
16:07:47  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a GUI change
16:08:20  *** murray [murray@2002:9e27:7d58:4:204:76ff:fe21:749d] has joined #openttd
16:12:45  *** Zorn [] has joined #openttd
16:15:21  *** Zorni [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
16:17:28  *** tokai [] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!]
16:19:19  *** sbn [] has joined #openttd
16:19:26  <sbn> Hmm just noticed something weird
16:19:51  <sbn> My message said: Coal production ... increases by !14%
16:23:38  <yorick> noes
16:23:41  <yorick> 14%!
16:24:00  <sbn> Nope, it said !14%
16:25:00  <yorick> with the "!" on the right side?
16:25:48  *** lobster_MB [] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE]
16:26:47  *** tokai [] has joined #openttd
16:26:48  *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ
16:27:23  <sbn> left side
16:31:37  *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@] has joined #openttd
16:37:21  *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry
16:41:32  *** Netsplit <-> quits: wgrant, Bergee, mikegrb, Singaporekid, izhirahider, Dred_furst, DaleStan, lobstar
16:41:55  *** ccfreak2k [] has quit [Quit: changing servers]
16:42:18  *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd
16:48:10  *** lobstar [~michielbi@] has joined #openttd
16:48:10  *** Dred_furst [] has joined #openttd
16:48:10  *** Singaporekid [] has joined #openttd
16:48:10  *** mikegrb [] has joined #openttd
16:48:10  *** Bergee [] has joined #openttd
16:48:10  *** wgrant [] has joined #openttd
16:50:53  *** ccfreak2k [] has joined #openttd
16:54:30  *** sbn [] has left #openttd []
16:56:12  *** Avdg [] has joined #openttd
16:56:19  *** mikl [] has quit [Quit: mikl]
16:56:22  <Avdg> hi
16:56:52  <Avdg> is there no task that i can do at openttd?
16:57:18  <Avdg> :p
16:57:36  * Avdg = nl
16:57:46  <yorick> no you aren't
16:57:51  <Avdg> maybe translating :p
16:57:52  <yorick> that's
16:58:16  <Avdg> flemish side of belgium
16:58:24  <Avdg> Be-nl
16:58:52  <Avdg> its seems that the website need to be done
16:59:07  <yorick> flemish is not dutch!
16:59:25  <Avdg> lol
17:00:06  <Avdg> here i dont publish without any inspection
17:00:59  <Avdg> im bored... wants to to something
17:01:02  <yorick> you talk weird
17:01:11  <TrueBrain> Avdg: check for anything ;)
17:01:19  <yorick> just read suggestions forum or and go patch
17:01:22  <Avdg> i cant C++ atm
17:01:38  <TrueBrain> lol, is that really 'at the moment'?
17:01:42  <TrueBrain> as in: you expect to know it tomorrow? :p
17:01:50  <Avdg> lol
17:02:04  <Avdg> i can do stuff like php, java, etc...
17:02:18  <TrueBrain> we don't use either ;)
17:02:28  <Avdg> thats true :p
17:03:27  <Avdg> but its right, about the website... there will be a language support in it
17:03:33  <TrueBrain> will be
17:03:35  <TrueBrain> which means: not now ;)
17:03:40  <Avdg> :p
17:03:52  <Avdg> and the translators atm?
17:04:09  <yorick> Avdg: etc... means?
17:04:10  <TrueBrain> I believe the Dutch language has enough translators at the moment
17:04:20  <TrueBrain> check the website for an email to email the correct person to ask that question
17:04:20  <Avdg> and more...
17:04:27  <yorick> what more?
17:04:48  <Avdg> it means 'and more like that'
17:05:01  <yorick> yes, I'm asking for examples
17:06:32  <Avdg> :/ the problem with program language is that these language that i am learning are too easy...
17:06:46  <Avdg> but they dont wants to teach me c++
17:06:53  <Avdg> lol
17:06:54  <yorick> who's they
17:06:59  <Avdg> the teachers
17:07:08  *** Purno [] has joined #openttd
17:07:08  <TrueBrain> learn it yourself
17:07:11  <TrueBrain> like most of us did
17:07:25  <Avdg> its a bit too complex :p
17:07:33  <yorick> ...
17:07:37  <Avdg> all these structures...
17:07:44  <yorick> ...
17:07:45  <TrueBrain> rortom: lol, kate only removes trailing SPACES, not tabs .. how annoying :p
17:08:03  <yorick> Avdg: you rely on teachers to learn languages?
17:08:08  <Avdg> im glad that my windows is repaired yet
17:08:14  <Avdg> no...
17:08:36  <Avdg> but they just giving languages like pascal, jakes
17:08:48  <yorick> then why don't you learn C++ yourself?
17:08:49  <rortom> TrueBrain: oh, i did not knew that
17:08:51  <Sacro> flemish is like pascal?
17:08:53  <Avdg> im bored in the lessons you see :
17:08:55  <Avdg> :)
17:09:00  <Avdg> nop..
17:09:06  <yorick> btw, pascal, jakes :o
17:09:08  <Avdg> pascal is a program language :p
17:09:14  <yorick> learn python
17:09:17  <rortom> ^
17:09:27  <Avdg> lol
17:09:41  <Avdg> im brb
17:09:51  <Avdg> openttdcoop gets more souls :)
17:13:05  <ln> *i'm
17:13:28  <yorick> *I'm
17:20:30  <TrueBrain> rortom: and it doesn't highlight things I would like .. like 'class' ;)
17:21:49  *** Char [] has joined #openttd
17:21:50  <rortom> isnt it black?
17:21:52  *** Char2 [] has joined #openttd
17:22:01  <rortom> tell me a better solution thats not bloated
17:22:09  <TrueBrain> no, that was not what I meant :)
17:22:15  <TrueBrain> I aws hoping you know a way to activate that ;)
17:23:02  <rortom> uhm you can edit the style IIRC
17:23:26  *** Tim [] has joined #openttd
17:26:50  *** Singaporekid [] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
17:27:47  *** welshdra-gone [~vista@] has joined #openttd
17:28:10  *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon
17:40:17  *** Tim [] has quit [Quit: Trillian (]
17:45:56  *** yorick [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:46:18  *** rortom [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:54:55  *** Burty [burty@] has joined #openttd
17:55:25  <Burty> hey, roughly when does player_gui.cpp get renamed to company_gui.cpp?
17:55:49  <frosch123> a month ago?
17:55:54  <frosch123> two?
17:56:43  <Burty> thank you
18:03:14  *** yorick [] has joined #openttd
18:03:22  *** Burty [burty@] has quit []
18:07:44  *** ben_goodger [] has joined #openttd
18:09:14  *** TinoM [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:09:56  *** yorick [] has quit [Quit: Poef!]
18:11:26  *** Reemo [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:18:49  <Avdg> :/
18:19:27  <Avdg> would say to burty that it was for the shared infrastructure...
18:20:31  <petern> what was for si?
18:23:42  *** Swallow [] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]]
18:25:57  *** welshdragon [~vista@] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
18:26:21  *** welshdragon [~vista@] has joined #openttd
18:29:42  *** lobster_MB [] has joined #openttd
18:37:42  *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@] has joined #openttd
18:40:38  <Avdg> about the rename of player_gui.cpp
18:41:40  *** TinoM [] has joined #openttd
18:42:31  *** FR^2 [] has joined #openttd
18:43:19  *** yorick [] has joined #openttd
18:43:21  *** Phoenix_the_II [] has quit [Read error: No route to host]
18:43:23  <Rubidium> Avdg: you could write documentation (for users)
18:43:24  *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:43:52  <Avdg> lol
18:44:01  <Avdg> that will be hard...
18:44:19  <Avdg> im bad in english (see my last forumreplys)
18:44:44  <Avdg> but...
18:44:58  <Avdg> why is the tutorialpart removed?
18:45:25  <yorick> at*
18:45:29  <Avdg> in the original game, there was a tutorial, but it was broken there :p
18:45:48  <Avdg> in the windows...
18:45:49  <Rubidium> because the tutorial part isn't very "change" proof
18:46:06  <Rubidium> IIRC changing a few "default" settings caused the tutorial to fail
18:46:32  <Avdg> IIRC?
18:46:53  <Avdg> is that a nick?
18:46:53  <yorick> no
18:46:57  <yorick> 	If I Recall/Remember Correctly
18:47:05  <Avdg> :p
18:47:10  <Rubidium> it's an acronym
18:47:10  <yorick> or 	Interactive Illinois Report Card
18:47:36  <Avdg> too bad that i couldnt test the tutorial in the original game :/
18:47:51  <Avdg> brb
18:48:50  <Avdg> k
18:49:13  <Avdg> i'll look at wiki
18:50:56  <yorick> you really have short brbs
18:52:42  <Avdg> :p
18:53:00  <Avdg> i have 1 sis, 1 bro, and lot of small jobs to do :p
18:53:08  <Avdg> and eating pauze :)
18:53:15  <yorick> break*
18:53:31  <Avdg> yeah
18:54:45  <ln> try realigning the dilithium matrix
18:58:34  <Avdg> ??
18:58:58  <Avdg> im just happy that i can work again in windows :p
18:59:09  <ln> *I'm
18:59:13  <Avdg> in linux i couldnt browse throught the code
18:59:19  <ln> *couldn't
18:59:28  <Avdg> :/
18:59:29  <yorick> what?
18:59:53  <Avdg> what "what?"?
18:59:59  <yorick> what what what?
19:00:04  <Avdg> lol
19:00:10  <yorick> what lol?
19:00:42  <Avdg> what? what "what?"? what what what? lol what lol?
19:00:46  <yorick> linux should just be able to browse to the code
19:01:15  <Avdg> yeah, i know, but i like Dev env
19:01:30  <dih> Avdg, define 'browse'
19:01:36  <Aali> is the tropic refurbishment set ECS compatible?
19:02:17  <Avdg> lol, my english is bad...
19:02:18  <dih> ok - if that is how you define browse then you would have trouble
19:05:00  <Aali> hmm, guess not :/
19:05:38  *** Brianetta [] has quit [Quit: Changing computers]
19:05:59  *** Brianetta [] has joined #openttd
19:06:07  <Aali> is there an application that will parse an nfo file and reduce it to something telligeble?
19:06:38  <Aali> it will be a pain to go through all those vehicles and change everything manually
19:07:24  <Avdg> lol
19:08:28  <yorick> grf2html?
19:08:47  <Aali> such a thing exists? that would be great
19:08:49  <Aali> got a link?
19:09:17  <yorick>
19:09:18  <yorick>
19:10:37  <Avdg> i will take a look too
19:13:35  <Aali> ah, yes, that will help alot
19:13:39  <Aali> thanks
19:20:39  <Aali> whats CargoID AA?
19:20:59  <Aali> i know FF is first refitable cargo type
19:21:16  <Aali> but this set defines sprites for AA too
19:21:42  <Eddi|zuHause> CargoID != cargo type
19:22:00  <Eddi|zuHause> it's an Action 2 ID
19:22:07  <Aali> whatever
19:22:28  <Aali> whats CargoID 0xAA?
19:22:34  <Eddi|zuHause> means if you define an action 2 with the ID AA, other var action 2's can refer to this ID
19:22:52  <Aali> so it has no special meaning?
19:22:56  <frosch123> Aali: can you click on it, is it a hyperlink?
19:23:00  <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can use any value you want
19:23:06  <Aali> right
19:23:19  <Aali> thats all i wanted to know really
19:23:44  <Aali> i see now that it is refered to in the default slot of an action3
19:29:36  *** Netsplit <-> quits: mikegrb, lobstar, ccfreak2k, Bergee, Dred_furst, Purno, wgrant
19:30:46  *** Netsplit over, joins: Dred_furst, lobstar
19:31:45  *** Purno [] has joined #openttd
19:31:45  *** ccfreak2k [] has joined #openttd
19:31:45  *** mikegrb [] has joined #openttd
19:31:45  *** Bergee [] has joined #openttd
19:33:31  *** wgrant [] has joined #openttd
19:38:27  <Avdg> wtf... yet another attack...
19:39:00  * Avdg dont like these
19:39:44  <ln> *don't
19:40:11  <Avdg> lol
19:40:12  <ln> not to mention, "doesn't" would be grammatical
19:40:24  <Avdg> yeah
19:40:37  <Avdg> the I form and he form... :p
19:40:38  *** Brianetta [] has quit [Quit: TschÌß]
19:41:03  <Avdg> I am looking about the train tut
19:41:30  <Avdg> start here:
19:41:46  <Avdg> but it seems that the logic is weird
19:41:53  *** Netsplit <-> quits: lobstar, Dred_furst
19:42:23  *** Brianetta [] has joined #openttd
19:42:26  *** Netsplit over, joins: lobstar, Dred_furst
19:44:39  *** DaleStan [] has joined #openttd
19:44:39  *** izhirahider [] has joined #openttd
19:46:21  *** [com]buster [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:49:28  *** Netsplit <-> quits: mikegrb, ccfreak2k, Bergee, Purno
19:50:35  <Avdg> :/
19:51:04  <yorick> ?
19:51:07  *** Netsplit over, joins: Purno, mikegrb, ccfreak2k, Bergee
19:54:13  <Avdg> look at these joins and kicks
19:54:51  <Aali> its just netsplits
19:58:46  <ln> *it's
20:00:26  *** grumbel [] has quit [Quit: Client exiting]
20:01:07  <Aali> cant really use that key without hitting the enter key by accident
20:04:22  <ln> remove he enter key and use the one on the numpad.
20:05:02  <Aali> i'd rather change keyboard layout
20:07:12  <Prof_Frink> Or learn to press the right key.
20:07:33  <Avdg> :p
20:07:47  <yorick> I'd*
20:08:12  <petern> so
20:08:50  <Aali> So.*
20:09:08  <petern> i've decided to take my work back underground
20:09:13  <Avdg> lol
20:09:21  *** ben_goodger [] has quit [Quit: Good pie!]
20:09:38  *** ben_goodger [] has joined #openttd
20:09:45  <petern> to stop it from falling to the wrong hands
20:09:49  <Avdg> we aren't fighting for the best english :/
20:10:01  <Avdg> *We
20:10:07  <Avdg> *:/ .
20:10:12  <petern> # du du du du duh - duh, du du du du duh - duh, du du du du du du du du du du duh - duh
20:10:20  <Avdg> duch :p
20:10:29  <Avdg> *dutch
20:11:31  *** TinoM [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:17:32  *** kunwon1 [~kunwon1@] has joined #openttd
20:19:54  <Char2> i got a question
20:20:30  <Aali> so you say
20:20:44  <Char2> if i want to transport passengers from town A to town B or in general between maybe more towns
20:20:45  <Aali> you know, it would be easier if you just asked the question right away
20:21:00  <Char2> and i want to "collect" the passengers in one main station
20:21:19  <Char2> kind of like a hub-station
20:21:32  <Char2> maybe an international airport, maybe just a big railway station
20:22:01  <Char2> then i have to get the outgoing passengers from town to the station, and the incoming passengers back from the station to the town
20:22:10  <Eddi|zuHause> that won't ever work properly unless you use cargodest
20:22:18  <Aali> what he said ^
20:22:22  <Char2> okay, question answered ;)
20:22:23  <Char2> thanks
20:22:32  <Aali> passengers are stupid without cargodest
20:22:52  <Aali> they will board any vehicle that accepts them
20:23:00  * Char2 walks off to learn about cargodest
20:23:57  <Aali> those kind of schemes don't really work with cargodest either, though
20:24:32  <Aali> most passengers will want to travel within the town
20:25:46  <Char2> that sucks :P
20:26:04  <Char2> does cargodest work together with the ECS vectors?
20:26:35  <Aali> it should be compatible with any and all grf's
20:26:41  <Char2> okay
20:26:43  <Char2> hmmm
20:26:59  <Char2> well, however. no cargodest for now. i guess i got a game challenging enough already
20:27:22  <Char2> with the ECS vectors and a kind of challenging layout of the industries in the game
20:27:29  <Char2> (and a challenging landscape)
20:28:54  *** Rexxars [~rexxars@] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
20:31:02  *** KritiK [] has joined #openttd
20:31:33  *** Rexxie [~rexxars@] has joined #openttd
20:36:06  *** yorick [] has quit [Quit: Poef!]
20:41:23  *** TinoM [] has joined #openttd
20:42:19  *** batti5 [~batti5@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:00:15  <Eddi|zuHause> cargodest does not necessarily make things more difficult
21:08:06  *** nicfer [~Administr@] has joined #openttd
21:08:14  <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: it's the sole defining feature that makes playing simutrans a baffling ordeal for me
21:10:00  <nicfer> hmmm was suggested previously changing the way the local authorities works?
21:10:59  <petern> grammar's been suggested previously
21:11:22  <Eddi|zuHause> wrong word order the path to the dark side is
21:12:28  <ln> what, nicfer is from Argentina.
21:12:49  <ben_goodger> getting uppity about english grammar stupid wanker makes you
21:13:38  * ben_goodger dons asbestos suit
21:15:22  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should open a thread in the suggestions forum asking if anyone has a suggestion for local authorities
21:15:34  <ben_goodger> nicfer: I'm sure many people have previously suggested a change to local authorities. what specific suggestion do you have?
21:16:02  <ln> en argentina hablamos castellano
21:17:09  <Eddi|zuHause> missing reflexive pronoun?
21:17:37  <Eddi|zuHause> and you are in argentina?
21:18:00  <ln> quite possible. and no, the last time i checked i wasn't even outside europe.
21:18:50  <Eddi|zuHause> then you also chose the wrong verb form ;)
21:19:36  <ben_goodger> *rolls eyes*
21:20:08  *** mortal` [] has joined #openttd
21:20:08  <nicfer> my idea is to qualify companies by multiple sections rather than only one of them
21:20:09  <ln> Eddi|zuHause: i'm taking the course in january, i hope i learn something more then.
21:21:47  <nicfer> and about the noise system for the airports, maybe that should apply too to the other station types
21:22:47  <Eddi|zuHause> you think there is a need to limit bus stations in the city?
21:23:17  <Eddi|zuHause> or that a 3x4 trainstation makes more noise than a 2x3 station?
21:25:34  *** Mortal [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:27:34  <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14551 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.nut: [NoAI] -Update: update the regression code to work under NAIL too (which is a bit more demanding regarding simple syntax)
21:28:13  <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: the vehicles ought to generate noise, not the buildings
21:28:53  <Eddi|zuHause> well, with airports you can assume a number of vehicles that can reasonably well be servicing it
21:31:50  <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14552 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_abstractlist.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: make sure the game doesn't segfault when a user feeds an invalid sorter value to Sort()
21:35:56  <Aali> hmm
21:36:14  <Aali> how do you go about debugging a newgrf?
21:36:24  <Aali> my action0's seem to have no effect :/
21:37:32  <frosch123> first run "nforenum" to check whether your grf is syntactically correct
21:37:45  <Aali> it is
21:37:47  <Aali> it loads
21:38:09  <Aali> the last action is an action B, its executed
21:38:23  <frosch123> "nforenums" checks more than ottd/ttdp on load
21:38:38  <Aali> i use nforenum
21:39:12  <frosch123> what shall your action0 do?
21:39:36  <Aali> it changes property 1D and 28 of 6 wagons
21:40:20  <Aali> its supposed to make them take passengers and tourists, but i can't refit them
21:41:26  <frosch123> are the wagons you are modifiing defined in the same grf, or are they from another grf?
21:41:39  <Aali> from another grf
21:41:46  <Aali> is that going to be a problem?
21:41:57  <frosch123> do you have "multiple newgrf engine sets" enabled?
21:42:04  <Aali> nope
21:43:10  *** ben_goodger [] has quit [Quit: Good pie!]
21:43:43  <frosch123> hmm, sad, in that case I could have answered "set feature 08 property 11" :/
21:44:59  <Aali> hey, thats a nice feature, i should implement that anyway
21:45:16  <frosch123> but "tourists"... do you have a cargo translation table?
21:45:17  <Aali> but yeah, probably wont solve the issue i'm having
21:45:25  <Aali> i do
21:45:37  <Aali> but that shouldn't affect cargo classes?
21:45:47  <frosch123> true
21:46:01  <Aali> the passengers cargo class contains both passengers and tourists
21:46:13  *** ben_goodger [] has joined #openttd
21:46:26  <Aali> let me try changing some other property
21:48:55  <Aali> doh!
21:49:12  <Aali> i got the vehicle ID wrong
21:49:21  <Aali> damn i was so sure it was the correct one
21:50:36  <Aali> yep, its working now, mystery solved
21:50:51  <ln> *it's
21:51:02  <Aali> thanks for the heads up on feature 8 property 11
21:51:15  <Aali> ln: oh go to hell :P
21:51:26  <ln> Aali: how rude
21:53:59  <ln> Aali: besides, doesn't that involve dying first?
21:54:36  <Aali> ln: you tell me, I wouldn't know
21:56:37  *** rortom [] has joined #openttd
21:57:57  <nicfer> what suggestion did I made the previous time I joined?
22:00:29  <ln> is this a quiz?
22:01:05  <fjb> Not to forget what you suggested the previous time, perhaps...
22:03:20  <nicfer> I've remembered it now thanks
22:04:02  <ln> prego
22:04:15  <nicfer> is there an archive of the openttd irc channel?
22:04:17  <ln> that was italian, i know.
22:05:43  <SpComb> Logs:
22:05:43  <fjb> !logs
22:11:09  *** nekx [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:12:47  *** Purno [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:13:58  *** TinoM [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:14:47  *** Zahl_ [] has joined #openttd
22:18:57  *** Zahl [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:18:58  *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl
22:24:35  <nicfer> is someone making a patch that enables a newgrf callback to modify road stations graphics?
22:24:50  <nicfer> I've forgot something
22:25:14  <Aali> if i install a cargo translation table, thats only going to affect the vehicles in the same grf?
22:25:59  <nicfer> I'm thinking on a system similar to the newgrf rail stations
22:25:59  *** Avdg [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:26:35  <Eddi|zuHause> you can already change road station graphics
22:27:26  *** Aylomen [] has quit []
22:27:27  <Eddi|zuHause> only you can't dynamically adjust to stuff like snow line etc.
22:27:36  <nicfer> but you can't have two grfs at the same time
22:28:41  <nicfer> I mean the menu for selecting your wanted bus/truck station graphic
22:29:51  *** tokai [] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!]
22:31:29  <Aali> frosch123
22:31:31  <Eddi|zuHause> indeed, that's part of a much bigger plan
22:31:58  <ln> "and they have a plan"
22:32:09  <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: don't highlight people when you don't say what you want from them, preferably in the same line
22:32:32  <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: he could just read my last line
22:32:34  <frosch123> Aali: translation table applies only to the grf, where it is defined
22:32:47  <Aali> too bad
22:33:01  <Aali> so much for writing an external ECS adapter
22:33:02  <frosch123> well, what else should it do :s
22:33:14  <Aali> guess i'll just have to butcher the original grf then
22:33:48  <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: well "my last line" could be ages ago in IRC timescales
22:33:54  <frosch123> well, for an ecs adapter I would not bother about individual cargos, and just use cargo classes
22:34:28  <Eddi|zuHause> ln: "i love when a plan works"
22:34:51  <Aali> neither would i, if this set didn't have different wagons that *could* carry the same cargo but really shouldn't
22:36:26  <Aali> would be nice if it could apply the translator from the external grf when and only when it is executing its actions
22:38:45  <Aali> not to mention the cargo classes are a bit off, cereal is the same class as ore, for example
22:39:08  <Aali> i for one would not want my breakfast cereal lugged around in ore hoppers
22:41:34  *** TinoM [] has joined #openttd
22:47:01  *** Brianetta [] has quit [Quit: TschÌß]
22:53:33  <nicfer> ctrl-enter should do the opossite thing to the signaled in the 'enable default group chat with Enter' instead of being assigned Ctrl-Enter to group and Shift-Enter to all
23:08:14  *** lobster_MB [] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE]
23:14:43  <nicfer> is there anyone porting openttd to android?
23:16:18  <Char2> does any of you regularly play ECS vectors?
23:16:29  <Char2> android? what is android?
23:16:57  <FauxFaux> The google mobile platform.
23:18:06  <Char2> should i know that one?
23:19:33  <Rubidium> nicfer: is there anyone porting sdl to android?
23:19:56  *** Frostregen [] has quit [Quit: und weg]
23:20:38  <Rubidium> or rather, does sdl work on android?
23:21:48  <Rubidium> hmm, google says it runs on a linux kernel and if that's the case it doesn't even need porting assuming you can find a sane compiler and you can compile the required libraries and openttd with that compiler
23:22:48  <Rubidium> <- that one explains enough (I hope)
23:27:05  *** Eddi|zuHause [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:27:18  <TrueBrain> Wow, hellboy 2 has some VERY nice annimations ... unbelievable :)
23:27:29  *** Eddi|zuHause [] has joined #openttd
23:28:36  *** mortal` [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:28:57  <fjb> Android is not an open platform. It is not designed for users to install their applications. It is only disigned to run the usual Java toys made for mobile phones. (Ok, there are some nice things written in Java to run on mobile phones, but most are things are expensive crap.)
23:30:08  <valhalla2w> what's not open about j2me?
23:30:28  <ln> the implementation?
23:31:47  <valhalla2w> rather: I do not see why only supporting j2me makes a platform open or not
23:32:10  <fjb> The java sandbox is very restricted.
23:34:12  <valhalla2w> yes, I suppose
23:37:03  *** valhalla2w is now known as valhallasw
23:42:32  *** Progman [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:47:02  <ln> silencio
23:47:50  <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that written with z?
23:48:12  <TrueBrain> zuppoze?
23:48:24  <ln> no..
23:48:37  <Eddi|zuHause> zomezing like zat, zes ;)
23:49:58  <ln> Eddi|zuHause: btw, have you studied spanish in school or learned at home?
23:50:01  <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me that suse has "zast" as a symlink to "yast", for those poor guys without a german keyboard driver :p
23:50:09  <Eddi|zuHause> school, 2 years
23:50:49  <ln> bueno
23:51:20  <Eddi|zuHause> which reminds me of the good old dos times, whenever you put in a boot diskette, you'd have to remember to type "kezb gr" ;)
23:53:31  <Eddi|zuHause> and "gr" doesn't stand for greek ;)
23:55:09  <ln> i zuppoze a regular dos installation didn't even have layout for greek?

Powered by YARRSTE version: svn-trunk