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00:04:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:18 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:30:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:35:28 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 00:45:14 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acc29d3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:58 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acc29d3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:56:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:03:31 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-147-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:10 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-164-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:10 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 01:18:32 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 01:20:05 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acc29d3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:22 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:05 *** FRQuadrat [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 01:45:13 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-179-15.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:50:59 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 01:59:16 *** FRQuadrat [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 02:08:44 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:50 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 02:10:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E0B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 02:36:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:39:27 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:56:51 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-142-9.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 02:56:57 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-142-9.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 03:10:24 <Char2> anyone awake? 03:15:52 <Aali> no 03:16:14 <Sacro> nope 03:31:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:55:29 <thingwath> :) 03:56:23 <thingwath> waiting for train 03:56:33 <Aali> so what are you doing this fine but terribly cold morning? 03:57:38 <thingwath> I hope I will not fall asleep 03:58:10 <thingwath> especially not at the train 03:59:09 <Aali> i believe the correct phrase is 'on the train' 03:59:38 <thingwath> You are right :-) 03:59:42 <Aali> i was thinking about pulling an all-nighter myself 03:59:59 <Aali> but then i remembered how much i love my beauty sleep 04:00:33 <thingwath> train leaves at 6:03 04:00:53 <thingwath> there is no way to wake up before 6 at morning, so... 04:01:22 <Aali> yeah, i feel ya 04:03:01 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:04:34 <thingwath> if I only knew how long it will take to the train station 04:04:37 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-147-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 04:05:23 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 04:06:11 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 04:07:54 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:58 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:09:56 <thingwath> and there are still some sausages left, blah, I'm not hungry anymore 04:19:43 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-142-9.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:22:29 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-142-9.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:29:17 <Aali> great, spambots on the forums 05:09:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 07:11:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:21:49 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 07:22:40 <jpm> Hi 07:24:18 <jpm> From where I can find unicode/ubidi.h 07:31:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:31:55 <Aali> jpm: its probably in the new and improved openttd_useful.zip or whatever that file is called 07:34:05 <jpm> Aali: okey, how to compile without icu? 07:34:44 <Aali> no idea 07:35:45 <jpm> btw, is there any editor for grf files? 07:35:56 <Aali> surely there must be some kind of ./configure switch? 07:36:10 <Aali> i have heard good things about grfmaker 07:36:17 <Aali> but i haven't tried it 07:50:49 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host124-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:51:06 <Wolf01> hello 07:53:49 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:12:05 * jpm wondering how to compile openttd with icu disabled in MSVC 08:25:25 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 08:27:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:46:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.185.3] has joined #openttd 08:51:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:53:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.221.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:58 *** Modulator [~modulator@host-212-149-236-107.kpylaajakaista.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:27 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm49.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:08:09 <Modulator> hello 09:09:24 <Modulator> i can't find a guide to bribing, could someone quickly tell me how to do that :) 09:15:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:10 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:34:58 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:37:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E40F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:49 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 09:59:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc00a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:02:36 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:13:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:41:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:42:04 <Alberth> It does not really qualify as 'quick', but after enabling bribing in the advanced settings, you should be able to select it from the town action window (same one where you can also select advertising campaigns). 10:44:08 *** PhoenixII [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:44:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:42 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:45:51 *** PhoenixII [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:29 <frosch123> Is it missing a refresh? Or do you not have enough money? 10:46:55 <Modulator> yes, i got it, thanks! 10:47:24 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:29 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:54:30 <dih> <jpm> [08:34:05] Aali: okey, how to compile without icu? <- with a braille interfacie :-P 11:01:10 <TrueBrain> morning peepz 11:06:04 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:46 <dih> morning tb 11:17:52 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:17:56 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 11:25:10 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:43 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:47 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 11:34:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:34:40 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A68A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:24 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A68A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:36:17 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:42:35 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC3B2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:53:56 <Ammler> roboboy: are you robotboy from tt-forums? 11:54:36 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:54:50 <roboboy> yes 11:55:06 <Ammler> that "dump ass" was for you, I hope. :-) 11:55:15 <TrueBrain> dump ass? That is new .. 11:55:22 <TrueBrain> I dump garbage .. but an ass? 11:55:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:55:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:55:33 <Ammler> MB thread 11:56:08 <Ammler> ah, dumb 11:57:07 <TrueBrain> who are you calling dumb here? 11:57:15 <Ammler> me? 11:57:19 <TrueBrain> yeah 11:57:22 <TrueBrain> you are most likely right 11:57:26 <Ammler> someone on tt-forums called that 11:57:47 <Ammler> but it is not clear, if he meant roboboy or MB 11:58:38 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 11:59:33 <petern> it is clear 11:59:40 <roboboy> I think they ment me 11:59:47 <Ammler> that it is good. 11:59:54 <Ammler> then 12:00:09 <Ammler> MB took it for him. 12:00:12 <petern> he meant MB 12:00:15 <petern> that is obvious 12:00:24 <roboboy> and I was refering to my original post when I quoted him about the licence issue 12:00:30 <roboboy> someone else replied 12:13:08 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-132-211.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 12:13:12 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-132-211.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 12:14:17 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acc29d3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:54 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:14 <TrueBrain> Char / Char2: why do you always come in 2? 12:20:23 <TrueBrain> afraid you miss something? :p 12:21:46 <rortom> morning everyone 12:23:05 <frosch123> TrueBrain: He ha a multiple personallity, and both of him want to join 12:26:07 <Ammler> oh, ..ch :-) 12:31:51 <dih> [13:20] <TrueBrain> Char / Char2: why do you always come in 2? <- perhaps he should just simply join as "string" :-P 12:32:09 <TrueBrain> bad joke :p 12:32:37 <dih> yep :-P 12:34:04 * TrueBrain waits patiently till kdevelop is finally finished 12:36:51 <Alberth> TrueBrain: that would be the first finished open source project, probably 12:37:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80D16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:40 <Ammler> is there a finished not OS project? 12:38:27 * frosch123 is sure there are a lot finished open source versions of "Hello World" 12:38:30 <Ammler> hmm, maybe solitaire 12:39:02 <TrueBrain> Alberth: kdevelop is FAR from finished in developing .. 12:39:18 <TrueBrain> so most likely, that was not what I was refering to :p 12:39:20 <Ammler> no hg support :-) 12:40:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:44:26 <TrueBrain> frosch123: is there really a 'release' of a 'application' which produces Hello World? 12:45:27 <frosch123> true, they lack proper versioning 12:46:01 <Alberth> TrueBrain: yes, GNU released one, and does read email, so it must be considered finished 12:46:30 <TrueBrain> so I should considered thunderbird finished too? 12:46:38 <TrueBrain> I don't get that 'does read email' argument for 'being finished' 12:53:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:58 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:55:14 *** prophet [~prophet@p5B3F618C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:45 <prophet> Hi, i'd like to deliver goods to a desert city. How can i get it to accept them? 12:56:01 <Alberth> TrueBrain: At a point in the development of a program, devs tend to start adding bells and whistles to the app rather than improving the core. As a sarcastic remark to this practice one may comment "oh, the prog doesn't read email yet, so it cannot be finished". 12:56:20 <TrueBrain> ;) 12:56:22 <TrueBrain> fair enough :) 12:56:24 <Alberth> prophet: make the city grow first by giving it water and transport mail and passengers 12:56:38 <prophet> Alberth, ok 12:57:00 <prophet> Alberth, water by itself isn't enough? 12:57:21 <frosch123> "GNU hello" is quite complex 12:57:35 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: http://catb.org/jargon/html/Z/Zawinskis-Law.html 12:57:39 <Alberth> No afaik, but you can try 12:58:10 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: yes, I was looking for that. Thanks. 12:58:12 <prophet> Alberth, ok thanks 12:59:00 <Alberth> prophet: basically you need 8/8 or more goods acceptance of all houses in the catchment area of the station 12:59:29 <prophet> ok 13:00:06 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:00:17 <frosch123> "const void &data" <- someone knows an allowed way of doing that? Or do I have to use "const void *data" ? 13:00:36 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 13:00:49 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:00:55 <Alberth> frosch123: I don't know a 'void' value you could insert in data 13:01:40 <frosch123> well, I can cast every pointer to "void *" 13:01:53 <TrueBrain> frosch123: 'void *', yes 13:01:54 <frosch123> so isn't there a way to pass any variable as reference? 13:01:56 <TrueBrain> void &, no :p 13:02:03 <TrueBrain> void &* maybe ;) 13:02:26 <frosch123> that sucks :( 13:02:28 <Alberth> frosch123: const (void *) &data should work 13:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a void &* supposed to be? 13:02:48 <frosch123> a reference to a pointer 13:02:49 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: reference call by void * 13:02:55 <TrueBrain> so void *& is most likely the correct syntax ;) 13:03:47 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 13:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: there is a big difference between "this variable contains nothing" and "i just don't know what data this pointer points to" 13:06:15 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: in pascal "procedure foo(var bar);" is valid 13:07:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:10 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:43 *** prophet [~prophet@p5B3F618C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:10:36 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:13 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acc29d3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:05 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:28:30 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:23 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:31:27 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 13:32:31 *** Knight_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:58 *** Knight_Owl is now known as Nite_Owl 13:33:39 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 13:34:13 <roboboy> gnight 13:36:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:39:16 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39:34 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:27 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C4DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:35 <fjb> Hello 13:43:14 <frosch123> moin 13:44:10 <ln> anglish only 13:44:30 <fjb> Quak frosch123 13:44:40 <fjb> Moin ln 13:46:14 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CF98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:07 <ln> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45162000/jpg/_45162744_-2.jpg 13:47:54 <frosch123> welsh only? 13:47:56 <fjb> english only 13:48:10 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-147-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:16 <TrueBrain> stupid kdevelop still not finished .. 13:48:23 <TrueBrain> it required kde-libs:3.5 first :( 13:48:29 <TrueBrain> (which requires qt:3) 13:49:41 * fjb is still using kde3. 13:49:43 <Ammler> do you already use KDE4? 13:50:06 <fjb> Hello TrueBrain, hope you didn't fall down yesterday. 13:50:31 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0D88A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:05 <TrueBrain> fjb: I in fact did several time 13:52:18 <TrueBrain> Ammler: KDE4 installed, yes, but currently I am running xfre4 13:52:27 <TrueBrain> fjb: but falling down is part of the process of getting up ;) 13:52:32 <rortom> server still desynced :'( 13:52:44 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I use xfce4 :-) 13:52:44 <rortom> *still = again 13:52:46 * fjb hopes that TrueBrain landed in the arms of a cute girl everytime. 13:53:06 <TrueBrain> fjb: well, that too 13:53:10 <TrueBrain> but you are attached to a rope 13:53:13 <TrueBrain> so it aint that bad ;) 13:53:24 <TrueBrain> the longest fall I made was 5 meters, 20 cm above ground I came to a hold :p 13:53:37 <Ammler> but mostly with KDE software 13:53:41 <TrueBrain> (I missed a set :p) 13:53:43 <fjb> So the part about the cute girl is even better. 13:55:23 <fjb> Why stopping earlier then nedded? :-) 13:55:32 <fjb> than 13:56:44 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/photo_me/TrueBrain-Climbing5.jpeg <- me in a foot-lock over a 90degree turn :p 13:57:07 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/photo_me/TrueBrain-Climbing4.jpeg <- me and that 'cute girl' :p 13:57:08 <TrueBrain> haha 13:57:47 <TrueBrain> (I should scale those images down I guess :p) 13:58:48 <fjb> The girl wouldn't look that cute when scaled down. 13:58:57 <TrueBrain> hehe 13:59:09 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/photo_me/TrueBrain-Climbing6.jpeg <- falling at that point means a drop of about 4 meters :p 13:59:25 <TrueBrain> (well, in this case it is top-rope, so most likely a bit less, but still :p) 13:59:30 <rortom> :D 13:59:36 <rortom> what climbing center? 14:00:01 <TrueBrain> in The Netherlands 14:00:24 <rortom> neoliet? 14:00:25 * fjb would fall down just above the ground. 14:00:36 * rortom goes climbing in bristol 14:00:37 <TrueBrain> neoliet? 14:00:48 <rortom> its a franchise of climbing halls 14:00:55 <rortom> in germany and the netherlands 14:01:02 <TrueBrain> doesn't ring any bell :p 14:01:05 <TrueBrain> (sorry :)) 14:01:05 <rortom> ;) 14:01:38 <TrueBrain> the biggest indoor climbing halls in the Netherlands are from "klimmuur" .. I am there most of the time :) (those pics are from an other, but still :p) 14:01:54 <rortom> nice, i will have to look it up 14:01:59 <TrueBrain> klimmuur stupid enough, is a directly translation of "climbing wall" 14:02:13 <TrueBrain> but they have 70 meter halls :) :) 14:02:34 <rortom> oh, wtf 14:02:39 <rortom> thats height 14:02:42 <TrueBrain> yup 14:02:48 <TrueBrain> considering a normal rope is 70 meters long 14:02:51 <rortom> cool :D 14:02:55 <rortom> yeah :P 14:03:00 <TrueBrain> it means you need to detach your rope half-way, get your second guy up 14:03:02 <rortom> they dont provide ropes? 14:03:04 <TrueBrain> attach yourself again, and continue :p 14:03:09 <rortom> oh, nice :D 14:03:31 <rortom> i wanted to do this, but it makes no fun in 5m :\ 14:03:35 <TrueBrain> well, I believe it is only 64 meters heigh, but okay :p 14:03:48 <rortom> we have only ~20 around here 14:03:57 <TrueBrain> most other halls have that too, yes :p 14:04:25 <rortom> that calls for a visit to the netherlands :D 14:04:29 <TrueBrain> hehe 14:04:34 <TrueBrain> then go directly to Belgium 14:04:35 <TrueBrain> outdoor 14:04:39 <TrueBrain> 120m is no problem 14:04:44 <Ammler> TrueBrain: you need those halls in holland :-) 14:04:49 <TrueBrain> (damn, you are VERY tired when you do that ...) 14:05:24 <TrueBrain> rortom: too bad you can't do those lengths top-rope, which means youneed to follow a few courses before you can do them ;) 14:05:29 <rortom> i must get better again first, and indoor is a good training without risking your life ;) 14:05:43 <TrueBrain> well, this year 1 person died indoor .. 14:05:48 <rortom> :( 14:06:00 <TrueBrain> the second guy 'forgot' to attach his euh ..translation .. 'security device' to the rope 14:06:13 <TrueBrain> the person at the top thought she was going down top-rope style 14:06:22 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Don't make me make my cold worse. 14:06:24 <TrueBrain> the person below thought she was going to hook herself up, and let the person down climb up 14:06:27 <TrueBrain> so .. long fall :p 14:06:28 <rortom> argh s** 14:06:30 <rortom> :| 14:06:32 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Belay plate. 14:06:37 <rortom> ^ 14:07:00 <TrueBrain> worst part: those 2 were climbing with eachothe for ages 14:07:02 <rortom> so you have to lead climb, second climb in those areas? 14:07:03 <TrueBrain> then is when the mistakes happen :p 14:07:19 <rortom> yes, you always have to double check :( 14:07:38 <TrueBrain> walls > 20m are hard to do top-rope style 14:07:46 <TrueBrain> (ropes simply aren't that long :p) 14:08:46 <rortom> oh, you can get long ropes 14:08:51 <rortom> i own 70m 14:08:59 <TrueBrain> 70m is the longest rope you can use 14:09:04 <TrueBrain> any longer is very dangerous 14:09:09 <rortom> mh, arent there longer ones? 14:09:13 <rortom> ah, yes 14:09:17 <TrueBrain> (what is it .. ever 1m extends 10cm when you put weight on it?) 14:09:20 <rortom> from the usage-side 14:09:37 <rortom> yeah, something like that 14:09:38 <TrueBrain> so a 70m rope extends 7m or something .. that really is the most ;) 14:09:46 <rortom> nice fall :P 14:09:47 <TrueBrain> any longer is just ... well .. not good for you :p 14:10:03 <rortom> also after 3-4 falls you can throw the rope away :\ 14:10:10 <TrueBrain> the standard says 12, but yeah 14:10:27 <TrueBrain> (well, depending on the diameter of course) 14:10:32 <rortom> yeah 14:10:34 <TrueBrain> but I assume you don't have 7mm rope :p 14:10:38 <rortom> hehe, no 14:11:01 <rortom> sometimes i secure with gri-gri and then you need a bigger diameter 14:11:09 <TrueBrain> then you WANT bigger :p 14:11:11 <rortom> not for lead climb for sure ;) 14:11:14 <rortom> haha :p 14:11:34 <TrueBrain> but anyway, climbing is nice and cool to do :) 14:11:40 <rortom> agreed 14:11:41 <Prof_Frink> ^ this. 14:11:51 <rortom> the climbing hall in utrecht is no more? 14:12:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet634.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:12:01 <TrueBrain> dunno, Utrect is too far away form me to consider :) 14:12:12 <rortom> where is those 70m wall? 14:12:22 <TrueBrain> something with a B, I always forget :( 14:12:31 <TrueBrain> will look it up for you, ask me again tomorrow or so :) 14:14:07 <rortom> thanks, that would be cool :) 14:14:15 * SpComb goes climbing less often than he should 14:14:25 <SpComb> although I'm not really very good at it, sadly 14:14:27 <TrueBrain> hehe, we should go climb with this channel some day ;) 14:14:47 <TrueBrain> that 'cute girl' of before .. she is climbing for 2 months now, and doing things I can't even do 14:14:55 <TrueBrain> so getting good is just a matter of doing, and daring ;) 14:15:12 <TrueBrain> (and of course, knowing, but okay :p) 14:15:18 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I'm starting to annoy people in my club. 14:15:30 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: why? You stink that much? :p (hehe, sorry :)) 14:15:42 <Prof_Frink> I've been climbing about 6 months and am outclimbing people that've been doing it for years 14:15:49 <SpComb> I even got a bunch of "liikuntaseteleitÀ" (pieces of paper worth 4⬠at various sport-related places) from work, which more or less means that I can go climbing for free 14:15:56 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: can I ask how old you are? 14:16:01 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:05 <SpComb> but I just do it way too rarely 14:16:06 <Prof_Frink> 23 14:16:25 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 14:16:30 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: then it is impressive ;) (young people, like 12 or so, are known to outclimb others very fast, because they don't understand the concept of height :p) 14:16:43 <rortom> i think its about dedication and weight/power rate 14:16:53 <TrueBrain> rortom: and technique :) 14:16:59 <TrueBrain> knowing what you need to do, and what you can do 14:17:00 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I do have the advantage of not weighing anything. 14:17:00 <rortom> yes, experience 14:17:04 <SpComb> except when they can't really reach the next grip because it's designed for someone who has 10cm longer hands than you do 14:17:18 <TrueBrain> that friend of mine knows exactly where here middle-mass-point is .. and she uses that in an insane way 14:17:19 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:17:24 <TrueBrain> I sometimes have rouble finding it ;) 14:17:40 <rortom> :p 14:17:41 <TrueBrain> SpComb: that is bull :) When you can't reach something, you are going too high too fast :p 14:17:51 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:54 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 14:18:23 <TrueBrain> but, most people forget the 1 basic rule in climbing: first hands, then feet, then your ass; not any combination of those :p 14:18:39 <SpComb> myes, it's a bit of a bad example 14:19:15 <TrueBrain> grr, now kdeveop is installed, but it fails :( 14:19:17 <SpComb> and as I said, I'm not as good at climbing as I wish I was 14:19:26 <TrueBrain> go climb more ;) 14:19:29 <TrueBrain> come and visit :) 14:19:35 <TrueBrain> take rortom and Prof_Frink with you :) 14:19:38 <rortom> :p 14:19:58 <rortom> i life in west germany normally, so not a long way to the netherlands ;) 14:20:22 <TrueBrain> I live in the west of the Netherlands :p 14:20:25 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:21:43 <rortom> mh, im not at home in the next six months either, so ;) 14:22:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:15 <TrueBrain> STUPID KDEVELOP 14:22:18 <TrueBrain> I need an other IDE .. 14:22:29 <rortom> ^ 14:22:34 <rortom> i try to avoid it 14:22:41 <rortom> i use vim/kate :\ 14:23:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84323.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:24:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:24:04 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has joined #openttd 14:24:07 <TrueBrain> I really love a good IDE for developing in big projects, like OpenTTD 14:24:16 <TrueBrain> switching between files mostly 14:24:30 <TrueBrain> (that in fact is all I use .. the syntax highlighter, and the ability to switch files with my mouse :p 14:25:32 <rortom> thats why i use kate 14:25:43 <rortom> switch files with alt+keys thats fast and nice 14:25:51 <rortom> or screen + vim combination 14:25:52 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.81.179] has joined #openttd 14:27:10 <fjb> gvim is also nice, easy to switch files with the mouse and great syntax highlighting. 14:27:14 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-coding 14:27:17 *** Yeggs-coding is now known as Yeggs-away 14:27:39 <TrueBrain> problem with vim is that you need to save to switch 14:27:45 <TrueBrain> (or open multiple vims, but that sucks :p 14:27:54 <frosch123> fjb: is it able to detect "#if 0", "#else", "#endif" and highlights it as comment? 14:28:08 <fjb> frosch123: Yes 14:28:27 <frosch123> ok, that something not a lot can do :) 14:28:44 <rortom> kate can also ;) 14:28:48 <TrueBrain> ha, fixed kdevelop 14:28:49 <TrueBrain> sort of 14:28:53 <TrueBrain> will try kate neverthless :p 14:28:58 <rortom> hehe ;) 14:29:03 <fjb> TrueBrain: you don't need to save with the graphical version of vim. 14:30:05 <fjb> Even with the text version you can have multiple files open at the same time and switch between them. 14:30:46 <TrueBrain> kate looks nice :) 14:31:22 <TrueBrain> now I only need to find a way to both see the browser, and see the open files .. 14:31:34 <rortom> left side panel 14:31:39 <rortom> just open multiple files 14:31:55 <TrueBrain> when you put "Documents" on the top, it still shows vertical .. it is better if that would be horizontal 14:32:35 <TrueBrain> ah, found it :) 14:32:37 <rortom> agreed, but IMO its better on the side if you have ~30 open files ;) 14:32:39 <TrueBrain> "Kate Tab Bar Extension" 14:32:48 <rortom> ah, good to know :) 14:32:55 <SpComb> TrueBrain: vim has tabs 14:33:12 * SpComb makes do quite well with just next-tab/prev-tab/new-tab 14:33:26 <SpComb> although I don't edit more than a dozen or so source files at a time 14:33:51 <rortom> TrueBrain: be sure to fix indenting settings and local saving with .~ files in the kate options 14:34:02 <TrueBrain> just walking over them, yes :) 14:34:26 <rortom> indention mode "c style" is nice to use also 14:34:34 <TrueBrain> just enabled it :) 14:34:40 <TrueBrain> Remove Trailing Spaces on Load/Save 14:34:42 <TrueBrain> I love such options :) 14:34:52 * rortom as well 14:35:05 <rortom> but the diff on commit will look soo bad ;) 14:35:12 <TrueBrain> not in OpenTTD 14:35:16 <TrueBrain> trailing spaces are refused at commit 14:35:21 <rortom> nice :) 14:35:22 <TrueBrain> so it is almost impossible to introduce them ;) 14:35:25 <rortom> hehe :p 14:36:25 <TrueBrain> xfce4 tends to screw up windows from time to time, with complete garbage :p 14:38:18 <rortom> good that i use fluxbox then ;) 14:38:43 <TrueBrain> okay, NoAI ... where was I ... 14:39:17 <TrueBrain> kate can't compile .. too bad :p 14:39:20 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:40:02 <fjb> TrueBrain: Then try vim... :-) 14:40:10 <TrueBrain> like vim can compile .. 14:40:49 <TrueBrain> lol, no libsdl .. reinstalling your computer really can be a bitch :p 14:40:56 <fjb> You can teach it to call the compiler (or what ever) 14:41:15 <frosch123> fjb: yes, you can also open a shell in a subwindow 14:41:25 <TrueBrain> which works for any editor :p 14:41:53 * fjb hates sdl for always setting GNU_SOURCE. 14:44:24 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:47:56 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.149.45.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:11 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-132-211.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:11 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-132-211.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause> surely you can teach kate to call make... 14:49:57 <rortom> TrueBrain: see "terminal" button 14:50:46 <TrueBrain> rortom: yeah, but that still means manual ;) 14:50:59 <rortom> :p 14:51:11 <TrueBrain> in kdevelop, you can hit F4, and it goes to the file 14:51:12 <TrueBrain> useful ;) 14:51:33 <rortom> 'make' and enter? ;) 14:51:41 <TrueBrain> when there is an error 14:51:44 <TrueBrain> does it go to the file? :p 14:51:47 <rortom> no 14:51:54 <TrueBrain> sorry, I meant upon error, in the kdevelop sentence above 14:51:56 <rortom> CTRL+G 14:52:07 <rortom> then enter line no 14:52:16 <TrueBrain> still I need to open the right file :p 14:52:18 <TrueBrain> hehe 14:52:25 <TrueBrain> hmm .. segfault .. bah 14:52:41 <TrueBrain> not what I was hoping for ;) 14:52:59 <TrueBrain> merging stuff is always a bitch 14:54:03 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I guess not initalizing a value falls under my mistake? :p 14:54:17 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 15:02:11 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 15:18:55 <Alberth> how to prevent a window resize in horizontal direction? 15:19:40 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:23 <rortom> mh? 15:21:02 <Alberth> rortom: 'mh' ? 15:21:09 <yorick> mh?mh? 15:25:36 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@119-38-215.ftth.xms.internl.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:36 <rortom> what do you mean by that sentence? 15:28:48 <rortom> you can resize in any direction? 15:29:02 <Alberth> I am programming a window, and only want to allow vertical resizing 15:29:57 <rortom> ah, mhm 15:30:09 <Alberth> don't understand how to do that (step_width == 0 and 1 both don't work) 15:30:18 <rortom> idk, sorry 15:31:24 <Alberth> doesn't seem possible 15:32:06 <rortom> mh 15:32:21 <rortom> just prevent resising by using the callback then? 15:32:30 <rortom> and then just reset the width every time? 15:32:50 <rortom> *resizing 15:33:07 <yorick> try setting the step_width to something high 15:33:31 <TrueBrain> step_width is for the scrollbar 15:34:21 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Good pie!] 15:36:53 <Alberth> w->resize.step_width is for the scrollbar? (don't think so). In the mean time I found a solution, set the step_width to 1 and don't have horizontal resizing bits in the widgets seems to do the trick. 15:37:11 <TrueBrain> the latter alone should be enough :p 15:37:54 <Alberth> step_width == 1 is default value, so yeah :P 15:41:51 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:05 <Alberth> Scrolled advanced settings, isn't it fun? http://d.imagehost.org/0796/difficulty_screen.png 15:42:31 <TrueBrain> cool:) 15:42:49 *** mortal`` is now known as Mortal 15:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> next step: presets for each group ;) 15:47:15 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: I really have no clue what to do with difficulty-like settings here. 'reset to default' is easy, but beyond that? 15:48:10 <Alberth> That kind of blocks merging 'difficulty' window to here as well 15:53:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:53:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you could start out with default/custom 16:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and then figure out what can be done about adding default values per preset 16:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a GUI change 16:08:20 *** murray [murray@2002:9e27:7d58:4:204:76ff:fe21:749d] has joined #openttd 16:12:45 *** Zorn [zorn@e177225192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:15:21 *** Zorni [zorn@d137123.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84323.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 16:19:19 *** sbn [~sbn@d51A42DD5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:19:26 <sbn> Hmm just noticed something weird 16:19:51 <sbn> My message said: Coal production ... increases by !14% 16:23:38 <yorick> noes 16:23:41 <yorick> 14%! 16:24:00 <sbn> Nope, it said !14% 16:25:00 <yorick> with the "!" on the right side? 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16:57:18 <Avdg> :p 16:57:36 * Avdg = nl 16:57:46 <yorick> no you aren't 16:57:51 <Avdg> maybe translating :p 16:57:52 <yorick> that's telenet.be 16:58:16 <Avdg> flemish side of belgium 16:58:24 <Avdg> Be-nl 16:58:52 <Avdg> its seems that the website need to be done 16:59:07 <yorick> flemish is not dutch! 16:59:25 <Avdg> lol 17:00:06 <Avdg> here i dont publish without any inspection 17:00:59 <Avdg> im bored... wants to to something 17:01:02 <yorick> you talk weird 17:01:11 <TrueBrain> Avdg: check bugs.openttd.org for anything ;) 17:01:19 <yorick> just read suggestions forum or bugs.openttd.org and go patch 17:01:22 <Avdg> i cant C++ atm 17:01:38 <TrueBrain> lol, is that really 'at the moment'? 17:01:42 <TrueBrain> as in: you expect to know it tomorrow? :p 17:01:50 <Avdg> lol 17:02:04 <Avdg> i can do stuff like php, java, etc... 17:02:18 <TrueBrain> we don't use either ;) 17:02:28 <Avdg> thats true :p 17:03:27 <Avdg> but its right, about the website... there will be a language support in it 17:03:33 <TrueBrain> will be 17:03:35 <TrueBrain> which means: not now ;) 17:03:40 <Avdg> :p 17:03:52 <Avdg> and the translators atm? 17:04:09 <yorick> Avdg: etc... means? 17:04:10 <TrueBrain> I believe the Dutch language has enough translators at the moment 17:04:20 <TrueBrain> check the website for an email to email the correct person to ask that question 17:04:20 <Avdg> and more... 17:04:27 <yorick> what more? 17:04:48 <Avdg> it means 'and more like that' 17:05:01 <yorick> yes, I'm asking for examples 17:06:32 <Avdg> :/ the problem with program language is that these language that i am learning are too easy... 17:06:46 <Avdg> but they dont wants to teach me c++ 17:06:53 <Avdg> lol 17:06:54 <yorick> who's they 17:06:59 <Avdg> the teachers 17:07:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:07:08 <TrueBrain> learn it yourself 17:07:11 <TrueBrain> like most of us did 17:07:25 <Avdg> its a bit too complex :p 17:07:33 <yorick> ... 17:07:37 <Avdg> all these structures... 17:07:44 <yorick> ... 17:07:45 <TrueBrain> rortom: lol, kate only removes trailing SPACES, not tabs .. how annoying :p 17:08:03 <yorick> Avdg: you rely on teachers to learn languages? 17:08:08 <Avdg> im glad that my windows is repaired yet 17:08:14 <Avdg> no... 17:08:36 <Avdg> but they just giving languages like pascal, jakes 17:08:48 <yorick> then why don't you learn C++ yourself? 17:08:49 <rortom> TrueBrain: oh, i did not knew that 17:08:51 <Sacro> flemish is like pascal? 17:08:53 <Avdg> im bored in the lessons you see : 17:08:55 <Avdg> :) 17:09:00 <Avdg> nop.. 17:09:06 <yorick> btw, pascal, jakes :o 17:09:08 <Avdg> pascal is a program language :p 17:09:14 <yorick> learn python 17:09:17 <rortom> ^ 17:09:27 <Avdg> lol 17:09:41 <Avdg> im brb 17:09:51 <Avdg> openttdcoop gets more souls :) 17:13:05 <ln> *i'm 17:13:28 <yorick> *I'm 17:20:30 <TrueBrain> rortom: and it doesn't highlight things I would like .. like 'class' ;) 17:21:49 *** Char [~Ich@d213-103-132-211.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 17:21:50 <rortom> isnt it black? 17:21:52 *** Char2 [~Ich@d213-103-132-211.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 17:22:01 <rortom> tell me a better solution thats not bloated 17:22:09 <TrueBrain> no, that was not what I meant :) 17:22:15 <TrueBrain> I aws hoping you know a way to activate that ;) 17:23:02 <rortom> uhm you can edit the style IIRC 17:23:26 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37FAD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm49.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:47 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 17:28:10 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon 17:40:17 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37FAD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 17:45:56 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:18 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:55 *** Burty [burty@92.23.63.146] has joined #openttd 17:55:25 <Burty> hey, roughly when does player_gui.cpp get renamed to company_gui.cpp? 17:55:49 <frosch123> a month ago? 17:55:54 <frosch123> two? 17:56:43 <Burty> thank you 18:03:14 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:22 *** Burty [burty@92.23.63.146] has quit [] 18:07:44 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:09:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:56 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 18:11:26 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CF98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:49 <Avdg> :/ 18:19:27 <Avdg> would say to burty that it was for the shared infrastructure... 18:20:31 <petern> what was for si? 18:23:42 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 18:25:57 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 18:29:42 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:37:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.185.3] has joined #openttd 18:40:38 <Avdg> about the rename of player_gui.cpp 18:41:40 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:31 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:43:19 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:43:23 <Rubidium> Avdg: you could write documentation (for users) 18:43:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.185.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:52 <Avdg> lol 18:44:01 <Avdg> that will be hard... 18:44:19 <Avdg> im bad in english (see my last forumreplys) 18:44:44 <Avdg> but... 18:44:58 <Avdg> why is the tutorialpart removed? 18:45:25 <yorick> at* 18:45:29 <Avdg> in the original game, there was a tutorial, but it was broken there :p 18:45:48 <Avdg> in the windows... 18:45:49 <Rubidium> because the tutorial part isn't very "change" proof 18:46:06 <Rubidium> IIRC changing a few "default" settings caused the tutorial to fail 18:46:32 <Avdg> IIRC? 18:46:53 <Avdg> is that a nick? 18:46:53 <yorick> no 18:46:57 <yorick> If I Recall/Remember Correctly 18:47:05 <Avdg> :p 18:47:10 <Rubidium> it's an acronym 18:47:10 <yorick> or Interactive Illinois Report Card 18:47:36 <Avdg> too bad that i couldnt test the tutorial in the original game :/ 18:47:51 <Avdg> brb 18:48:50 <Avdg> k 18:49:13 <Avdg> i'll look at wiki 18:50:56 <yorick> you really have short brbs 18:52:42 <Avdg> :p 18:53:00 <Avdg> i have 1 sis, 1 bro, and lot of small jobs to do :p 18:53:08 <Avdg> and eating pauze :) 18:53:15 <yorick> break* 18:53:31 <Avdg> yeah 18:54:45 <ln> try realigning the dilithium matrix 18:58:34 <Avdg> ?? 18:58:58 <Avdg> im just happy that i can work again in windows :p 18:59:09 <ln> *I'm 18:59:13 <Avdg> in linux i couldnt browse throught the code 18:59:19 <ln> *couldn't 18:59:28 <Avdg> :/ 18:59:29 <yorick> what? 18:59:53 <Avdg> what "what?"? 18:59:59 <yorick> what what what? 19:00:04 <Avdg> lol 19:00:10 <yorick> what lol? 19:00:42 <Avdg> what? what "what?"? what what what? lol what lol? 19:00:46 <yorick> linux should just be able to browse to the code 19:01:15 <Avdg> yeah, i know, but i like Dev env 19:01:30 <dih> Avdg, define 'browse' 19:01:36 <Aali> is the tropic refurbishment set ECS compatible? 19:02:17 <Avdg> lol, my english is bad... 19:02:18 <dih> ok - if that is how you define browse then you would have trouble 19:05:00 <Aali> hmm, guess not :/ 19:05:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Changing computers] 19:05:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:07 <Aali> is there an application that will parse an nfo file and reduce it to something telligeble? 19:06:38 <Aali> it will be a pain to go through all those vehicles and change everything manually 19:07:24 <Avdg> lol 19:08:28 <yorick> grf2html? 19:08:47 <Aali> such a thing exists? that would be great 19:08:49 <Aali> got a link? 19:09:17 <yorick> google.com 19:09:18 <yorick> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=34279&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=20 19:10:37 <Avdg> i will take a look too 19:13:35 <Aali> ah, yes, that will help alot 19:13:39 <Aali> thanks 19:20:39 <Aali> whats CargoID AA? 19:20:59 <Aali> i know FF is first refitable cargo type 19:21:16 <Aali> but this set defines sprites for AA too 19:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> CargoID != cargo type 19:22:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an Action 2 ID 19:22:07 <Aali> whatever 19:22:28 <Aali> whats CargoID 0xAA? 19:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> means if you define an action 2 with the ID AA, other var action 2's can refer to this ID 19:22:52 <Aali> so it has no special meaning? 19:22:56 <frosch123> Aali: can you click on it, is it a hyperlink? 19:23:00 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can use any value you want 19:23:06 <Aali> right 19:23:19 <Aali> thats all i wanted to know really 19:23:44 <Aali> i see now that it is refered to in the default slot of an action3 19:29:36 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: mikegrb, lobstar, ccfreak2k, Bergee, Dred_furst, Purno, wgrant 19:30:46 *** Netsplit over, joins: Dred_furst, lobstar 19:31:45 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:45 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:45 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:31:45 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-42-180-23.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:31 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:38:27 <Avdg> wtf... yet another attack... 19:39:00 * Avdg dont like these 19:39:44 <ln> *don't 19:40:11 <Avdg> lol 19:40:12 <ln> not to mention, "doesn't" would be grammatical 19:40:24 <Avdg> yeah 19:40:37 <Avdg> the I form and he form... :p 19:40:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:41:03 <Avdg> I am looking about the train tut 19:41:30 <Avdg> start here: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Tutorial/ 19:41:46 <Avdg> but it seems that the logic is weird 19:41:53 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: lobstar, Dred_furst 19:42:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:26 *** Netsplit over, joins: lobstar, Dred_furst 19:44:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:39 *** izhirahider [~izzy@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:21 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:28 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: mikegrb, ccfreak2k, Bergee, Purno 19:50:35 <Avdg> :/ 19:51:04 <yorick> ? 19:51:07 *** Netsplit over, joins: Purno, mikegrb, ccfreak2k, Bergee 19:54:13 <Avdg> look at these joins and kicks 19:54:51 <Aali> its just netsplits 19:58:46 <ln> *it's 20:00:26 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC3B2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 20:01:07 <Aali> cant really use that key without hitting the enter key by accident 20:04:22 <ln> remove he enter key and use the one on the numpad. 20:05:02 <Aali> i'd rather change keyboard layout 20:07:12 <Prof_Frink> Or learn to press the right key. 20:07:33 <Avdg> :p 20:07:47 <yorick> I'd* 20:08:12 <petern> so 20:08:50 <Aali> So.* 20:09:08 <petern> i've decided to take my work back underground 20:09:13 <Avdg> lol 20:09:21 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Good pie!] 20:09:38 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:09:45 <petern> to stop it from falling to the wrong hands 20:09:49 <Avdg> we aren't fighting for the best english :/ 20:10:01 <Avdg> *We 20:10:07 <Avdg> *:/ . 20:10:12 <petern> # du du du du duh - duh, du du du du duh - duh, du du du du du du du du du du duh - duh 20:10:20 <Avdg> duch :p 20:10:29 <Avdg> *dutch 20:11:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:32 *** kunwon1 [~kunwon1@98.115.5.225] has joined #openttd 20:19:54 <Char2> i got a question 20:20:30 <Aali> so you say 20:20:44 <Char2> if i want to transport passengers from town A to town B or in general between maybe more towns 20:20:45 <Aali> you know, it would be easier if you just asked the question right away 20:21:00 <Char2> and i want to "collect" the passengers in one main station 20:21:19 <Char2> kind of like a hub-station 20:21:32 <Char2> maybe an international airport, maybe just a big railway station 20:22:01 <Char2> then i have to get the outgoing passengers from town to the station, and the incoming passengers back from the station to the town 20:22:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that won't ever work properly unless you use cargodest 20:22:18 <Aali> what he said ^ 20:22:22 <Char2> okay, question answered ;) 20:22:23 <Char2> thanks 20:22:32 <Aali> passengers are stupid without cargodest 20:22:52 <Aali> they will board any vehicle that accepts them 20:23:00 * Char2 walks off to learn about cargodest 20:23:57 <Aali> those kind of schemes don't really work with cargodest either, though 20:24:32 <Aali> most passengers will want to travel within the town 20:25:46 <Char2> that sucks :P 20:26:04 <Char2> does cargodest work together with the ECS vectors? 20:26:35 <Aali> it should be compatible with any and all grf's 20:26:41 <Char2> okay 20:26:43 <Char2> hmmm 20:26:59 <Char2> well, however. no cargodest for now. i guess i got a game challenging enough already 20:27:22 <Char2> with the ECS vectors and a kind of challenging layout of the industries in the game 20:27:29 <Char2> (and a challenging landscape) 20:28:54 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-10.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:31:33 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 20:36:06 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:41:23 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:42:19 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.81.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:15 <Eddi|zuHause> cargodest does not necessarily make things more difficult 21:08:06 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.249] has joined #openttd 21:08:14 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: it's the sole defining feature that makes playing simutrans a baffling ordeal for me 21:10:00 <nicfer> hmmm was suggested previously changing the way the local authorities works? 21:10:59 <petern> grammar's been suggested previously 21:11:22 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong word order the path to the dark side is 21:12:28 <ln> what, nicfer is from Argentina. 21:12:49 <ben_goodger> getting uppity about english grammar stupid wanker makes you 21:13:38 * ben_goodger dons asbestos suit 21:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should open a thread in the suggestions forum asking if anyone has a suggestion for local authorities 21:15:34 <ben_goodger> nicfer: I'm sure many people have previously suggested a change to local authorities. what specific suggestion do you have? 21:16:02 <ln> en argentina hablamos castellano 21:17:09 <Eddi|zuHause> missing reflexive pronoun? 21:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and you are in argentina? 21:18:00 <ln> quite possible. and no, the last time i checked i wasn't even outside europe. 21:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> then you also chose the wrong verb form ;) 21:19:36 <ben_goodger> *rolls eyes* 21:20:08 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:20:08 <nicfer> my idea is to qualify companies by multiple sections rather than only one of them 21:20:09 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: i'm taking the course in january, i hope i learn something more then. 21:21:47 <nicfer> and about the noise system for the airports, maybe that should apply too to the other station types 21:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> you think there is a need to limit bus stations in the city? 21:23:17 <Eddi|zuHause> or that a 3x4 trainstation makes more noise than a 2x3 station? 21:25:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:34 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14551 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.nut: [NoAI] -Update: update the regression code to work under NAIL too (which is a bit more demanding regarding simple syntax) 21:28:13 <ben_goodger> Eddi|zuHause: the vehicles ought to generate noise, not the buildings 21:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, with airports you can assume a number of vehicles that can reasonably well be servicing it 21:31:50 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14552 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_abstractlist.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: make sure the game doesn't segfault when a user feeds an invalid sorter value to Sort() 21:35:56 <Aali> hmm 21:36:14 <Aali> how do you go about debugging a newgrf? 21:36:24 <Aali> my action0's seem to have no effect :/ 21:37:32 <frosch123> first run "nforenum" to check whether your grf is syntactically correct 21:37:45 <Aali> it is 21:37:47 <Aali> it loads 21:38:09 <Aali> the last action is an action B, its executed 21:38:23 <frosch123> "nforenums" checks more than ottd/ttdp on load 21:38:38 <Aali> i use nforenum 21:39:12 <frosch123> what shall your action0 do? 21:39:36 <Aali> it changes property 1D and 28 of 6 wagons 21:40:20 <Aali> its supposed to make them take passengers and tourists, but i can't refit them 21:41:26 <frosch123> are the wagons you are modifiing defined in the same grf, or are they from another grf? 21:41:39 <Aali> from another grf 21:41:46 <Aali> is that going to be a problem? 21:41:57 <frosch123> do you have "multiple newgrf engine sets" enabled? 21:42:04 <Aali> nope 21:43:10 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Good pie!] 21:43:43 <frosch123> hmm, sad, in that case I could have answered "set feature 08 property 11" :/ 21:44:59 <Aali> hey, thats a nice feature, i should implement that anyway 21:45:16 <frosch123> but "tourists"... do you have a cargo translation table? 21:45:17 <Aali> but yeah, probably wont solve the issue i'm having 21:45:25 <Aali> i do 21:45:37 <Aali> but that shouldn't affect cargo classes? 21:45:47 <frosch123> true 21:46:01 <Aali> the passengers cargo class contains both passengers and tourists 21:46:13 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:46:26 <Aali> let me try changing some other property 21:48:55 <Aali> doh! 21:49:12 <Aali> i got the vehicle ID wrong 21:49:21 <Aali> damn i was so sure it was the correct one 21:50:36 <Aali> yep, its working now, mystery solved 21:50:51 <ln> *it's 21:51:02 <Aali> thanks for the heads up on feature 8 property 11 21:51:15 <Aali> ln: oh go to hell :P 21:51:26 <ln> Aali: how rude 21:53:59 <ln> Aali: besides, doesn't that involve dying first? 21:54:36 <Aali> ln: you tell me, I wouldn't know 21:56:37 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:57:57 <nicfer> what suggestion did I made the previous time I joined? 22:00:29 <ln> is this a quiz? 22:01:05 <fjb> Not to forget what you suggested the previous time, perhaps... 22:03:20 <nicfer> I've remembered it now thanks 22:04:02 <ln> prego 22:04:15 <nicfer> is there an archive of the openttd irc channel? 22:04:17 <ln> that was italian, i know. 22:05:43 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 22:05:43 <fjb> !logs 22:11:09 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:58 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:47 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227022167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:18:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227027002.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:58 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:24:35 <nicfer> is someone making a patch that enables a newgrf callback to modify road stations graphics? 22:24:50 <nicfer> I've forgot something 22:25:14 <Aali> if i install a cargo translation table, thats only going to affect the vehicles in the same grf? 22:25:59 <nicfer> I'm thinking on a system similar to the newgrf rail stations 22:25:59 *** Avdg [~kvirc@78-21-56-40.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause> you can already change road station graphics 22:27:26 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.149.45.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [] 22:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> only you can't dynamically adjust to stuff like snow line etc. 22:27:36 <nicfer> but you can't have two grfs at the same time 22:28:41 <nicfer> I mean the menu for selecting your wanted bus/truck station graphic 22:29:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84323.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 22:31:29 <Aali> frosch123 22:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> indeed, that's part of a much bigger plan 22:31:58 <ln> "and they have a plan" 22:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: don't highlight people when you don't say what you want from them, preferably in the same line 22:32:32 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: he could just read my last line 22:32:34 <frosch123> Aali: translation table applies only to the grf, where it is defined 22:32:47 <Aali> too bad 22:33:01 <Aali> so much for writing an external ECS adapter 22:33:02 <frosch123> well, what else should it do :s 22:33:14 <Aali> guess i'll just have to butcher the original grf then 22:33:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: well "my last line" could be ages ago in IRC timescales 22:33:54 <frosch123> well, for an ecs adapter I would not bother about individual cargos, and just use cargo classes 22:34:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: "i love when a plan works" 22:34:51 <Aali> neither would i, if this set didn't have different wagons that *could* carry the same cargo but really shouldn't 22:36:26 <Aali> would be nice if it could apply the translator from the external grf when and only when it is executing its actions 22:38:45 <Aali> not to mention the cargo classes are a bit off, cereal is the same class as ore, for example 22:39:08 <Aali> i for one would not want my breakfast cereal lugged around in ore hoppers 22:41:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:47:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:53:33 <nicfer> ctrl-enter should do the opossite thing to the signaled in the 'enable default group chat with Enter' instead of being assigned Ctrl-Enter to group and Shift-Enter to all 23:08:14 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 23:14:43 <nicfer> is there anyone porting openttd to android? 23:16:18 <Char2> does any of you regularly play ECS vectors? 23:16:29 <Char2> android? what is android? 23:16:57 <FauxFaux> The google mobile platform. 23:18:06 <Char2> should i know that one? 23:19:33 <Rubidium> nicfer: is there anyone porting sdl to android? 23:19:56 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-147-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 23:20:38 <Rubidium> or rather, does sdl work on android? 23:21:48 <Rubidium> hmm, google says it runs on a linux kernel and if that's the case it doesn't even need porting assuming you can find a sane compiler and you can compile the required libraries and openttd with that compiler 23:22:48 <Rubidium> http://code.google.com/android/kb/general.html#c <- that one explains enough (I hope) 23:27:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:18 <TrueBrain> Wow, hellboy 2 has some VERY nice annimations ... unbelievable :) 23:27:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:36 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:57 <fjb> Android is not an open platform. It is not designed for users to install their applications. It is only disigned to run the usual Java toys made for mobile phones. (Ok, there are some nice things written in Java to run on mobile phones, but most are things are expensive crap.) 23:30:08 <valhalla2w> what's not open about j2me? 23:30:28 <ln> the implementation? 23:31:47 <valhalla2w> rather: I do not see why only supporting j2me makes a platform open or not 23:32:10 <fjb> The java sandbox is very restricted. 23:34:12 <valhalla2w> yes, I suppose 23:37:03 *** valhalla2w is now known as valhallasw 23:42:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E40F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47:02 <ln> silencio 23:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> isn't that written with z? 23:48:12 <TrueBrain> zuppoze? 23:48:24 <ln> no.. 23:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> zomezing like zat, zes ;) 23:49:58 <ln> Eddi|zuHause: btw, have you studied spanish in school or learned at home? 23:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me that suse has "zast" as a symlink to "yast", for those poor guys without a german keyboard driver :p 23:50:09 <Eddi|zuHause> school, 2 years 23:50:49 <ln> bueno 23:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> which reminds me of the good old dos times, whenever you put in a boot diskette, you'd have to remember to type "kezb gr" ;) 23:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and "gr" doesn't stand for greek ;) 23:55:09 <ln> i zuppoze a regular dos installation didn't even have layout for greek?