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00:02:29 * TrueBrain wonders if he should replace his own lexer with bison+flex ... generates more complex code, more lines, less readable, slightly slower .. but more compatible/changable ... 00:03:30 <Eddi|zuHause> who cares how big or complex generated code is? 00:03:55 <TrueBrain> NoAI already increases compile time of OpenTTD with 30+% 00:04:17 <frosch123> what's wrong with your own lexer? 00:04:45 <TrueBrain> well, it is slightly more difficult to add things 00:04:57 <TrueBrain> flex/bison makes that REALLY easy 00:05:09 <TrueBrain> and, allows tree-like syntax analyzes 00:05:30 <TrueBrain> my own lexer is a lineair structure, will never allow any real syntax analyzes 00:05:42 <TrueBrain> but I guess we can build a tree out of it too, as a side-step .. just slightly more complex :) 00:06:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 00:07:13 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:11:30 <TrueBrain> so there is nothing wrong with the current lexer in NAIL, I just wonder if bison/flex isn't a more logic solution .. hmm .. 00:11:37 <Char2> wheee, ECS is pretty tough compared to normal game 00:12:23 * frosch123 is tires 00:12:26 <frosch123> *d 00:12:29 <frosch123> night 00:12:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc00a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:16:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:50 <Wolf01> 'night 00:17:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host124-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:20:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:22:46 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:56 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 00:24:59 <Char2> anyone still awake? 00:25:57 <TrueBrain> nope 00:26:01 <Char2> great :) 00:26:23 <welshdragon> nope 00:26:26 <Char2> question: are you building statues of the company owner in the cities? 00:26:35 <Char2> cause it increases the rating at your stations 00:26:38 <welshdragon> answer: yes 00:26:41 <TrueBrain> no, I always build them of my oponent 00:27:06 <Char2> uhmmmm.... this was an honest question, you know, so an honest answer would have been nice ;) 00:27:25 <ln> it's always a statue of Bjarni. 00:27:26 <welshdragon> and i gave you an answer: yes 00:27:27 <TrueBrain> well, I thought it was funny :) 00:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i agree ;) 00:30:31 <welshdragon> so do i actually 00:30:47 <TrueBrain> so it is just Char2 ;) 00:33:29 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76A1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:38 * fjb agrees too. 00:39:41 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.249] has left #openttd [] 00:40:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76A6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:52:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:02 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F274.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:55:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:06 <Char2> well 00:57:14 * Char2 starts building statues all around 00:57:26 <Char2> what happens if you have multiple statues in one city? 00:58:34 <TrueBrain> your city gets really ugly 01:01:55 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:02:27 <kunwon1> the city goes under because it can't afford the statue tax 01:09:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> would be a really bad oversight if that was possible... 01:16:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 01:20:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227022167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:21:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 01:21:40 <kunwon1> Why? If you fill a city up with statues, you deserve whatever happens. Egotism will not be tolerated! 01:27:45 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 01:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, i suppose the bonus is added only once... 01:45:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:01:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-10.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:26 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:06:41 *** murray [murray@2002:9e27:7d58:4:204:76ff:fe21:749d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76A1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76A1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:18:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:33:45 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-163.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:44:13 *** fjb 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10:25:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F704.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:28:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:41:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:50:14 <Progman> is there a reason for a red topic instead of a normal one? 10:58:17 <ln> the october revolution 10:58:51 * Doorslammer hides 10:59:30 <Rubidium> red topic? 10:59:57 <ln> i don't see such either. 11:01:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227022167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:05:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r14553 /trunk/src/ (stdafx.h string_func.h): -Doc: Add some doxygen comments 11:10:00 <roboboy> gnight 11:10:16 <roboboy> no red topic either 11:11:26 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:11:53 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet558.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:12:14 *** Mortal is now known as Guest1131 11:12:14 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 11:14:08 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:15:49 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14554 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Fix: languages using longer gender names than strgen supports. 11:16:31 *** Guest1131 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:29 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:17:45 *** mortal is now known as Guest1134 11:17:45 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 11:20:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r14555 /trunk/src/ (23 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: replace ttd_strlcat and ttd_strlcpy with strecat and strecpy where direct conversion is possible 11:20:51 <Progman> the topic is in xchat written in red (and starts with ".6.3 ..." instead of "0.6.3 ...") 11:21:53 <Rubidium> blame your chat client; we don't set a color for the topic 11:22:01 <Belugas> the topic on mIRC is white on blue background. You should check your setting 11:22:06 <Belugas> hello 11:22:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C668.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:22:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C668.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'm feeling so old fashoned with a black topic on gray background 11:23:27 <Rubidium> gray topic on a blue background ;) 11:23:57 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14556 /trunk/src/landscape.cpp: -Fix (r14533): Bounding box with height > TILE_HEIGHT could cause circular dependencies with surrounding bridges. 11:23:59 *** Guest1134 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:59 <Belugas> anyone remember the orange/black screens? 11:24:07 <Belugas> or even the green ones? 11:24:09 <Belugas> heheh 11:24:14 <Progman> strange, its the only channel with a red topic o_O 11:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, that's for the topic in the topic, the topic in the chat buffer is green with a sprinkle of blue on white background 11:25:55 <frosch123> Belugas: orange was called amber here :) 11:26:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, "Bernstein" 11:26:37 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:27:40 *** mortal is now known as Guest1135 11:27:42 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:29:47 <Zahl> i had a green one.. all the letters were doing belly-dance on it 11:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> god i hate this... the whole house smells like delicious food, but it isn't ready for another hour... 11:32:03 *** Guest1135 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:56 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:33:10 *** mortal is now known as Guest1136 11:33:10 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 11:34:28 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:41 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:39:33 *** Guest1136 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:27 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r14557 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Codechange: Remove a redundant line of code 11:42:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm254.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:44:05 <Alberth> Belugas: yes, my first monitor was a green/black one 11:44:48 <Prof_Frink> Mmm, Green & Black 11:47:23 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:47:31 *** mortal is now known as Guest1140 11:47:31 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 11:49:34 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:48 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:50:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 11:53:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:53:11 *** mortal is now known as Guest1141 11:53:11 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 11:53:33 *** Guest1140 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:33 *** Guest1141 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:01 *** fonso [~fonso@e178081024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:02:59 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:03:21 *** mortal is now known as Guest1143 12:03:21 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 12:07:01 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:12 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:09:03 *** Guest1143 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:54 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:13:56 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:16:11 <TrueBrain> morning all 12:16:22 <Rubidium> afternoon TrueBrain 12:19:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ever found the time to look at AIOrder? :) 12:20:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:06 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:15 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: no :( haven't found the time to make a test AI yet 12:24:41 <TrueBrain> :( Too bad 12:30:54 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:26 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:35:20 *** TrogDoor [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-15.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:37:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84323.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B831C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:39:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:39:19 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-163.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:28 <George_> Hey, who has used my nick? 12:40:27 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 12:42:53 *** TrogDoor is now known as Doorslammer 12:42:57 <petern> probably some guy called george 12:45:19 <George_> Fine, how can I contact him? 12:45:26 <Ammler> George_: don't use registered nicks: /ns info <nick> 12:45:43 <George_> /ns info <nick> 12:46:19 <TrueBrain> you want to make a clame on the oh-so-common name George? Good luck :) 12:46:28 <Ammler> your clients might not be able to interprete /ns: /nickserv info 12:46:48 <Prof_Frink> or possibly even /msg nickserv info 12:46:51 <Ammler> '/msg nickserv 12:46:57 <Ammler> :-) 12:47:13 <Ammler> my client does that for me ;-) 12:47:44 <yorick> hm, the guy currently using the nickname isn't even the one that claimed it with nickserv 12:49:52 <George_> Sorry, this is my first IRC attempt. What should I do to change my nick to "George"? 12:50:27 <TrueBrain> if it is taken, bad luck, pick an ither name 12:50:46 <George_> How can read messages, which were posted before I've joined? 12:50:51 <TrueBrain> not 12:50:51 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 12:50:51 <yorick> !logs 12:50:54 <Ammler> George_: use same nick as you do on forums 12:51:15 *** nairan_wrk [~Maui_key@p5498DBC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:51:17 <TrueBrain> George_: and for that and all your other questions, use www.google.com and read the basics of IRC 12:52:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host124-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:52:26 <George_> Unfortunately my forum nick is "George" and I have problems to set the same one here :( 12:53:06 <Wolf01> hello 12:53:14 <TrueBrain> morning Wolf01 12:53:29 <George_> And how can I add a spell checker here? Ops, I did it already :) 12:55:00 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 12:55:11 <Prof_Frink> A spell checker in IRC? Isn't that like a smoke alarm in Hades? 12:55:32 <TrueBrain> hehe @ Prof_Frink 12:56:49 *** George [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:59:05 <George> Hm. After quit I could change the nick to George :) 12:59:21 <yorick> but you can't keep it 12:59:24 <George> It will take time to understand how it works. 12:59:33 <yorick> the guy who claimed it can just take it back 13:00:18 <George> And what can I do make this name mine? at least at #openttd and #tycoon? 13:00:25 <yorick> you can't 13:00:38 <yorick> you need to get another one 13:01:17 *** murray_ [murray@2002:9e27:7d58:4:204:76ff:fe21:749d] has joined #openttd 13:01:22 <George> And why do people say these IRC are so good? My first step gave more trouble than benefit :( 13:01:35 <TrueBrain> because you failed to read a manual? 13:01:51 <Doorslammer> We thought the same about you 13:02:02 <TrueBrain> hehe @ Doorslammer 13:02:06 <George> What do you mean OTHER ONE? All the TTD community knows George, why should use other nickname? 13:02:20 <TrueBrain> poor thing 13:02:22 <TrueBrain> not a single clue 13:02:47 <stillunknown> An irc server hosts many channels. 13:02:53 <George> 2Doorslammer: What do you mean by that? 13:03:17 <Doorslammer> Dont slag off IRC, it works for the rest of us 13:03:19 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:27 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:03:52 <George> 2TrueBrain: How reading the manual would protect the name? 13:04:02 <stillunknown> George: what you want is like me saying that i have the name George somewhere and want it on tt-forums too 13:04:04 <TrueBrain> not; at least it would give you an understanding that you are talking gibberish 13:04:07 <Ammler> George: are you ECS George? 13:04:21 <Doorslammer> Inexcusable if he is 13:04:53 <yorick> -NickServ- Nickname information for George (george) 13:04:53 <yorick> -NickServ- Last seen: Sun 02 Mar 2008 05:58:34 +0000 (8m 2d 07:04:56 ago) 13:05:58 <George> > <Doorslammer> Dont slag off IRC, it works for the rest of us 13:06:00 <George> I didn't start yet, but if you are unhappy to see me here ... Just tell 13:06:20 <yorick> you show up and the first thing you do is complain 13:06:31 <George> Yes, I'm George, the author of LV and ECS. 13:06:44 <Ammler> he, nice. :-) 13:07:10 <Doorslammer> Not that Im unhappy you are here, just rather unhappy that someone who has much forum experience complain worse than some new people 13:07:48 <TrueBrain> Doorslammer: well, this in fact is a all time low for me :) 13:07:49 <George> It is not a complain yet, it is a help request. 13:08:28 <Ammler> just use an alternative name like TTGeorge or Geor9e or what ever... 13:08:56 <frosch123> or George123 :p 13:08:59 <George> But how would other understand that this is the same George? 13:09:10 <Ammler> and register with /msg nickserv register" 13:09:11 *** fonso [~fonso@e178081024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 13:09:23 <Ammler> they will very soon know you as that... 13:09:25 <frosch123> sometimes it is not that bad, when not everyone knows that I am frosch :) 13:10:03 <TrueBrain> frosch123: you are 'frosch'? Wow .... :p 13:10:04 <TrueBrain> haha 13:10:21 <George> 2Frosch. Thank you for your fix. 13:10:23 <George> But why? 13:10:27 <frosch123> well, I also highlight on "frosh" in the mean time 13:10:55 <Ammler> George: the network has more then just those 2 channels... 13:11:10 <Doorslammer> My name is in half and changes to something almost unrelated when the original times out 13:11:10 <Ammler> and evey nick is unique on the whole network 13:11:37 <George> Is it possible to have different "George" s on different channels? 13:12:02 <TrueBrain> again, read any IRC manual 13:12:03 <Ammler> that is what we tried to tell you, it isn't 13:13:35 <George> It will take time. As for now belugas said me to join IRC to see FS2334 discussion. But I could not find it yet :( 13:15:24 <George> frosch, where is the discussion belugas was telling me about? 13:16:54 <stillunknown> irc is real time, meaning you'll have to find/wait for belugas 13:16:59 <frosch123> hehe, that was a non-public discussion 13:17:46 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:17:56 <frosch123> but George, we were mainly wondering how useful the results 0xD, 0xE and 0xF are. 13:18:25 <frosch123> I.e. to my knowledge they only work when you are using a production callback and have "automatic multiplier handling" enabled 13:18:47 <George> how can I join that non-public discussion 13:19:29 <frosch123> but when you already use a production callback, you can also just store your own multiplier in some persistent register, and multiply however you like inside the production callback 13:19:57 <George> I'd like to say that they are very useful for ECS vectors. Every mine uses them and I plan to use it for every industry in the future. 13:20:00 <frosch123> btw. that would also allow changing production of different output cargos independent from each other 13:20:28 <frosch123> but do you agree, that they are not very useful when an industry produces more than one cargo? 13:21:29 <George> Yes, I can use industry register instead of var 93, but I do not think that is the best way. 13:22:22 <frosch123> well, "the best way" was the whole point of the discussion, and we got no result :) 13:23:04 <George> No, in ECS vectors every industry that has 2 outputs, has them linked, so for me var 93 is ok 13:24:38 <George> And what were the arguments? How can I read your non-public discussions? Could you authorize me to your non-public channel? 13:25:50 <frosch123> another question was, which register to use 13:26:06 <frosch123> I would like when the textref stack would be uses consistently accross all callbacks 13:26:42 <frosch123> though the stringID in register 0x100 might be some special case 13:27:24 <George> As i wrote, selecting registers is up to devs team 13:28:25 <frosch123> however, generally there is no real argument against 0xF, as 0xD and 0xE are already there 13:28:39 <George> On the GRF side every register is good as soon as it is documented and unchanged ;) 13:28:42 <frosch123> so it could somewhat finish that stuff 13:30:05 <George> Should I read it as you've decided to implement it? 13:31:02 <frosch123> well, we agreed on "yes", but not on "how" :) 13:31:17 <George> Thank you! 13:31:42 <George> Let me know if you need a GRF to test. 13:32:10 <frosch123> err, of course we also have no plan for "when" 13:33:24 <George> I didn't say that I'm supposing to see it in trunk today ;) 13:34:47 <frosch123> however, your info, that your output rates are linked by a constant factor, is also useful :)# 13:35:27 <George> For me it is Ok when devs say "We decided to implement it". My GRFs took over 3 years to do, devs would be definitely faster :lol: 13:35:57 <George> Feel free to ask me any question about ECS vectors 13:38:06 <George> Just to note. Linked do not mean equal. Proportions are defined by income cargo and % transported. var 93 defines only the max values. 13:38:57 <George> So, how can I join your devs channel? What steps should I do? 13:39:52 <yorick> you need to ask them for the name and hope they let you in 13:39:56 <frosch123> usual approach is to fix about 20 FS tasks using our coding style and get them committed 13:40:15 <frosch123> or you code some nice feature, that gets committed, and prove that you support your code 13:40:33 <yorick> and if they don't, which is usually the case, you can use frosch's approach 13:44:13 <George> I do not plan to become a dev, because that would stop GRF developing. Is it possible to join the channel for the GRF coder, not an OTTD dev? 13:44:46 <frosch123> what's wrong with this channel? 13:46:33 <George> Because I can't read those discussions here, which belugas is referring to. With the same effect I can use no IRC channel and wait for belugas mail. 13:47:18 <yorick> or...you could hope they forget to add +s some day, then looking in the channel list and join that channel, with them banning you <-- my approach 13:48:42 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:48:51 <George> The goal in my joining IRC was to take part in your discussions about my requests to help you understand them better. 13:49:13 <frosch123> well, I guess I already replayed the discussion 13:49:25 <frosch123> and I learned how ECS uses the variable currently 13:49:26 <yorick> everything they say in the dev channel should not matter to you.. 13:49:32 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 13:51:15 <George> As belugas wrote: "Explanation will be sent to the other devs." 13:51:17 <George> So I decided why not to do it myself? 13:51:34 <George> yorick> everything they say in the dev channel should not matter to you.. 13:51:35 <George> What do you mean? 13:51:46 *** Char [~Ich@d212-152-29-106.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 13:51:48 <Char> re 13:51:49 <yorick> the dev channel is ment to be private for them 13:52:08 <yorick> if you just join that, there is no use for a secret coder hideout 13:53:35 <George> Well, if devs prefer to use guessing about my intentions after my requests - it is their solution. But, IMHO, asking me is much easier :roll: 13:53:59 <frosch123> isn't that what belugas was doing? 13:54:15 <TrueBrain> George: sometimes it is a good idea not to listen to yorick ;) 13:54:41 <yorick> George: don't use forum smileys at irc, it burns! 13:56:03 <Doorslammer> Just sometimes? 13:56:08 <George> 2frosch: Well, if you find that a better way, it is you decision, I should not change it. I just was willing to help. Sorry if did something wrong. 13:56:45 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498DBC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:47 <frosch123> no, it's just that there is no real difference between discussion with belugas or with all 13:57:00 <George> Is there a list of available smiles? Chatzilla shows :) ;) :( as images 13:57:47 <yorick> George: =), :D, D:, :|, :P, :-P, :-), ;-), :-(, ;-(, ;( 13:57:56 <Aali> here's a list of smileys that display images in my client: 13:58:23 <Doorslammer> Yorick has gone schizophrenic on us :S 13:58:34 <yorick> invisible smilies 13:58:52 <George> Strange. I understood this 13:58:54 <George> belugas> BY the way, you should notice that all our communications (with other devs, i mean) are done on IRC. One day, you should really try to useit. IT would make your life far easier. And don't tellm e about the language barrier. There are users who speak far worse english than you can imagine ;) 13:58:56 <George> as inviting to the channel. 13:59:00 <Doorslammer> <--- Im sticking my tongue out at you stealthily 13:59:21 <frosch123> George: he mean't this channel :) 13:59:35 <yorick> meant* 13:59:47 <George> 2yorick: Chatzilla has showed only the last one as the image 13:59:47 <frosch123> and he said it for the same reason as phone is sometimes more useful than a letter 14:01:26 <George> Sorry, but what would be the use of me at this channel, when you discuss a question in the other? Confused. 14:01:27 <Doorslammer> No one has ever bombed a phone call, for instance 14:03:09 <yorick> George: that they can move the discussion *here* for you to see it 14:04:26 <George> But how can I know that a time came to join in discussion if I do not see it? Confused. 14:05:11 <George> Also, if they move it, I can't see the previous posts, which were done in the private channel? 14:05:28 <yorick> ... 14:06:06 <TrueBrain> George: for the last time: read a IRC newbie manual 14:06:12 <yorick> an* 14:06:24 <TrueBrain> @kban yorick 3600 we told you too many times to stop doing that 14:06:25 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by DorpsGek 14:06:25 <George> Point a good short one ;) 14:06:26 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we told you too many times to stop doing that] 14:07:11 <TrueBrain> www.irchelp.org or something? :p 14:07:15 <TrueBrain> (seriously work ;)) 14:08:57 <George> I'm already reading http://chatzilla.hacksrus.com/faq/ . Can't say that it is very clean from the first read 14:09:00 <rortom> yorick is sometimes ..... :| 14:09:39 <Doorslammer> ... a tit 14:10:06 <TrueBrain> George: okay, because it is you, let me explain a few things: IRC is a real time env. Like a conversaion you are having in a crowdy room. If you are not in the room when the speaker is saying something, you missed it, and you can't get it back 14:10:17 <TrueBrain> it is not like a forum, there are no stickies on the wall which tell you what is said 14:10:38 <TrueBrain> so any previous discusion is lost, and lost for ever, besides the summary in the minds of the people in the room 14:11:00 <TrueBrain> what Belugas meant, was for you to join here, so when ever he is around (or who ever wants to conitnue on it), have you in the room, so you can participate 14:11:06 <George> that is bad because of time zones :( 14:11:19 <TrueBrain> in no way Belugas meant that he wanted you to read back the discussion that had already happened 14:11:22 <TrueBrain> a bit clear to you now? :) 14:11:29 <TrueBrain> in general we do just fine :) 14:12:44 <TrueBrain> then it needs to be noted that this channel is logged, and can be read back (like yorick is doing now), but that is most of the time impossible to read back; also, the developers channel is not publicly logged (for various of reasons) 14:13:25 <George> I understood this already, the problem was how to use this right way. Today is Sunday and I have time to be online at this time, but in most days this would not happen. 14:13:48 <TrueBrain> and Belugas is rarely online on a sunday 14:13:48 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 14:13:53 <TrueBrain> so that makes the situation sligthly less useful ;) 14:14:09 <George> This is what I was afraid of :( 14:19:34 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:56 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:06 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 14:23:18 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: *SIGH*] 14:26:08 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-176-45-17.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 14:26:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-84.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:28:26 *** Char [~Ich@d212-152-29-106.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:10 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:33:41 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F704.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F704.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:46:51 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:47:19 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-15.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 14:51:45 *** murray_ is now known as murr4y 14:53:14 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:35 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37EFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:29 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:25 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37EFD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:02:52 *** George [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 15:03:02 *** George [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 15:04:08 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:05:31 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.189.114.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:28 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by DorpsGek 15:09:49 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 15:09:57 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 15:09:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 15:10:00 <George> What is better - to be connected IRC while being of-line personally or connect IRC for chating that would happen once a week or so? Is there some way to make e-mail notification to join IRC now? So I could join IRC only when my participation is required? 15:14:22 <Aali> If you can, stay connected 24/7 15:15:01 <Aali> your client should tell you when someone says your name, so you can answer peoples questions whenever you have time 15:15:42 <George> My PC is 24/7 and chatzilla can be always open. But me myself would appear rarely. 15:16:41 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 15:17:18 <George> Well, Try saying my name, I'll look how would it tell me about it, please. 15:18:33 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:18:46 <Aali> George 15:18:57 <Aali> there should be some kind of highlighting 15:19:05 <yorick> George 15:19:32 <George> It blinks orange. Well. I'll make a try with it. 15:19:41 <Aali> additionally, you should be able to mark yourself as away, and your client should then be able to provide a backlog of highlighted messages when you come back 15:19:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 15:19:58 <Aali> atleast mine does 15:20:25 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:21:02 <George> And what would happen if my nick would become changed? (As it was stated above, nick George does not belong to me) 15:21:39 <Aali> there's probably an option to add additional words to highlight on 15:22:00 <Aali> so adding George would make sure its always highlighted 15:24:40 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:24:56 <George> Does anybody has chatzilla? If yes, could you point me highlighted tab? I could not find it from the first attempt. 15:27:19 <Sacro> heh, how long before the usual "George" appears 15:27:34 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:34 <Ammler> George: I know at least one other german who does use that nick too :-) 15:28:11 <ln> i know one who is the president of a big north american country. 15:29:18 <Ammler> well, I meant in this channel... 15:30:22 <Ammler> oh, he is only in the coop channel... :-) 15:30:54 <George> Fine, but what should I do? 15:31:02 <Ammler> register... 15:31:34 <George> where? 15:31:47 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:31:51 <Ammler> here :-) 15:32:21 <ln> Ammler is trying to confuse you. 15:32:52 <George> How? 15:33:08 <Ammler> '/msg nickserv register 15:34:40 <Ammler> ups, I didn't read him proper, he is called gregor, so nvm. 15:36:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.212.200] has joined #openttd 15:38:50 <George> It says 15:38:52 <George> > Nickname George is already registered. If this is your nickname you may try IDENTIFY instead. If this is not your nickname then it may have been registered by someone else first. Please choose another nickname and try again, or if you believe this nickname to be unused, contact network support. 15:38:54 <George> What to do? 15:39:03 <Aali> is there no way to redefine an action3 of a vehicle in another grf without including the sprites? 15:39:30 <George> I could not find a way to do it 15:39:36 <frosch123> Aali: no, there isn't 15:40:17 <Ammler> George: /nick <othernick> 15:40:39 <Aali> seems like that should be doable 15:40:57 <frosch123> Aali: btw. vehicles are already special, as you can modify action0 from outside. you cannot do that for houses and industries. 15:40:58 <George> 2frosh: Is there a way to use default graphics for a vehicle for one cargo and new graphics for the other cargo? 15:41:16 <Aali> frosch123: i see 15:42:03 <George> Ammler: And what? 15:42:44 <Ammler> ah well, keep your nick as it is, George... 15:43:38 <Aali> thats the final nail in my ECS adapter coffin then :P 15:43:45 <frosch123> George: no, also that is not possible 15:45:06 <George> I supposed that. Let me dream about a day when I could define vehicles graphics as good as houses and industries :( 15:53:16 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:02 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:13:19 *** Zorni [zorn@f054000089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:13:54 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:20:38 *** Zorn [zorn@e177225192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:07 *** Schwalbe [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:09 *** Schwalbe is now known as Swallow 16:23:13 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:35 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:33 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:13 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:34 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:30:37 *** Nuke2 [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [] 16:35:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:06:43 <Aali> oh hey, George, while you're here, i've got a problem with ECS 17:07:00 <Aali> industries aren't accepting cargo from the chemical vector 17:07:15 <Aali> its listed as a resource, but they never accept it 17:07:37 <Aali> glass works wont take potash, power plant wont take oil 17:11:06 <Aali> oh and banks want me to transport gold, not valuables, in temperate 17:14:17 <TrueBrain> so to summarize it, you didn't load ECS :p 17:15:08 <Aali> very funny, but no, all the other vectors work 17:15:33 <TrueBrain> tnx, I know I am very funny :) 17:16:53 <George> Potash bug is reported. I did not test the fix yet, Let me know if this GRF http://george.zernebok.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=185#185 fixes potash problem 17:18:03 <George> Power plant accepts oil after 1950 as soon as one of coal image is replaced with a tank image 17:21:26 <George> Bank and gold mine are controlled with parameter 0. See http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSBasicVector for details 17:21:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 17:23:59 *** fonso [~fonso@78.52.65.183] has joined #openttd 17:24:26 <Ammler> George: some of the ECS graphics aren't that "TTDish", are there plans to replace them? 17:25:06 *** fonso [~fonso@78.52.65.183] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 17:26:45 <George> Yes, as soon as some one would draw it :) 17:27:20 <Ammler> hmm, I guess, there would be some drawer, if you would make a request :-) 17:27:28 <Aali> ah, right, i see my power plant just changed 17:27:30 <Aali> nice 17:27:37 <Aali> didn't even know you could do that 17:28:12 <Ammler> ECS is one best documented GRFSets... 17:28:17 <Ammler> of 17:28:48 <Aali> the 17:28:54 <Ammler> :-) 17:29:47 <George> Unfortunately not. Any help with documentation or drawing is welcome 17:30:31 <Ammler> what is missing on the documentation? 17:31:10 <Aali> oh and i read somewhere on the wiki that ECS could stop working in 2100-something 17:31:20 <Aali> is that true? what happens? 17:31:34 <George> a lot. for example http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSBVGlassWorks 17:33:01 <George> I hope beta 5 should not. beta 4 worked only between 1920 and 2050. Hope beta 5 would work. Anyway, bug reports are welcome 17:33:22 <Aali> right 17:33:28 <Aali> we'll see 17:41:09 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:42 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14558 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r13957): Converting the track type of a tunnel/bridge could cause trains to get stuck. 17:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> "the best" does not mean it is actually "good", just that all others are worse :p 17:43:36 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause2: true words 17:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> just like <insert favorite religion/os/editor> is "the best" :p 17:45:09 <Sacro> Christianity/ArchLinux/vim 17:46:20 <Ammler> I said "_one_ of the" 17:47:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, that's a direct lemma, because if you are not "the best", you are actually even worse 17:48:24 <Ammler> true :-) 17:48:33 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 17:52:24 <Aali> George: that did indeed fix the potash issue, but the old chemical vector is very outdated, isn't it? 17:55:26 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8C8F.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 17:57:30 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 18:01:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:04:36 <George> Yes, but the new one does not contain potash. 18:05:10 <Aali> indeed 18:05:18 <Aali> and thats a shame 18:06:05 <George> unfortunately, there is a 32 slot limit. I can't change that 18:06:27 <Aali> but the new chemical vector doesn't add any new cargoes? 18:11:58 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:17:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F931.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:27 <fjb> Hello 18:17:35 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:21:39 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:21:51 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 18:21:55 <Aali> George: so why were they (potash&sulphur) removed from the new vector? 18:22:45 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:22:53 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-176-45-17.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:54 <George> Because I plan to use them in the other place (Town vector) 18:23:32 <Aali> i see 18:38:32 *** ben_goodger is now known as benjamin 18:38:56 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498DBC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:40:01 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CF33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:36 *** benjamin is now known as benjamingoodger 18:51:45 <Aali> George: in the fund new industry window, the description for sawmills is in french :P my ottd is in english 18:54:57 <George> Fixed 18:57:11 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:58:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F931.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:59:21 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:59:39 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:08 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:05 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:02:44 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:50 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 19:15:33 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-250.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:42 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:10 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-208.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:49 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:46 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:32:38 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14559 /trunk/src/ (train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Fix [FS#2387]: A train could be blocked inside a depot if it was reversed just after leaving the depot. 19:34:27 <Aali> George: i also managed to get a NOT_REACHED crash in GetStringsWithArgs after building a tourist centre in the scenario editor, might not be your fault though 19:35:03 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:37:07 <George> Unfortunately there is not enough information here. Can you reproduce it? If yes, send a scenario and a place where putting a castle crashes a game. 19:37:40 <Aali> yeah, i'm working on it 19:38:38 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:14 <Aali> it is indeed reproducible 19:40:08 <frosch123> then post it on bugs.openttd.org 19:40:09 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:55 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 19:57:15 <Aali> seems to be a bad error message somewhere 19:58:14 <Aali> (only way i've been able to reproduce it is trying to build tourist centers at random) 19:59:10 <George> I'm writing abstract industry code and would like to ask. How many times should industry production be higher in 2050 than in 1920 at the highest production level? 19:59:12 <George> I selected 25, but isn't it too much? I mean 1000 units in 1920-th and 25000 units in 2050. and even more in the later years. 20:01:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:14 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:05:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:20 <Ammler> George: you do not allow multiple industries benear each other, so a little bit more then default would be nice 20:05:35 <Ammler> default is 4k, iirc 20:06:11 <Ammler> 25k is quite much more :-) 20:06:27 <George> I meant PROCESSING industry 20:06:34 <Ammler> oh 20:06:44 <Ammler> well, then 25k is fine, imo. 20:07:09 <George> Default ones were unlimited (and some users archived 32K AFAIR) 20:07:36 <Ammler> coop industries are around 10-20k 20:08:09 <Ammler> can't remember, we ever reached 20k 20:09:11 <Ammler> btw. I miss a switch on ECS to build same industry together 20:09:19 <George> Well, my question was about production change during time, meaning modern industries use modern technologies and having higher production. 20:09:30 <George> there is no switch like taht 20:09:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:18 <Ammler> I wouldn't miss it, if there would be one :P 20:11:06 <Ammler> you need quite a lot primary resource to reach 10k or more 20:11:31 <Ammler> so I think, you could hold it lower... 20:11:47 <George> in 2050-th? 20:11:55 <Ammler> yes. 20:12:22 <George> how low? what are values for 1920, 1950, 2000, 2050? 20:13:04 *** Sacro|Laptop [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:13:14 <Ammler> I would more like if you need to build a 2. identical processing industrie 20:13:15 <frosch123> productivity increased by a average of 1.8% in the last decades 20:13:28 <frosch123> (1.8% per year) 20:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> !calc 1.018**130 20:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> @calc 1.018**130 20:14:19 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: 10.1674288062 20:14:20 <frosch123> so 130 years from 1920 to 2050 would be about factor 10 20:14:45 <Mark> Ammler: we reached 30k several times 20:14:53 <Mark> game 60, for example 20:15:23 <Ammler> that was the 2k trains game? 20:15:28 <Mark> no 20:15:37 <George> What for do you a need a switch to build industries nearby? You have irregular stations which can spread wide enough. 20:15:45 <Mark> 66 it was, not 60 20:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> the change is probably more drastic during the 19th century 20:16:07 <Mark> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/8/8f/PSGame66.png this one 20:16:13 <Ammler> George: yeah pre1920 industry would rock :-) 20:16:30 <Aali> still can't reproduce it reliably, but i got some more info 20:16:42 <Aali> its trying to fetch string 216 from the GRF 20:17:20 <Aali> and that in turn triggers some bad stuff 20:17:49 <Aali> probably because there's some garbage in the string 20:17:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> Ammler: for a timescale like that, it should not be the same industries producing different amounts, it should rather be different industries which probably should be much smaller area-wise 20:18:20 <George> I decided that per 1925-th production would be a constant :) 20:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you play a game in 18xx, you really need tiny industries that you can deliver locally 20:19:36 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you need small industries, but a lot of them, forming a very fine grid 20:20:08 <George> 2Eddi|zuHause2: But I can't change industry size in game. I can force the old industry to close, while the new one would have a different size, but me doubts a player would like such behaviour. 20:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> then, as the technology evolves, you can start bringing more cargo over longer distances 20:20:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> George: why not? it is done with oil wells and oil rigs in the original game, too 20:21:43 <George> So. Would users like that in 1920-th / 1950-th old industries would close down and new ones would appear? 20:22:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:22:03 <Ammler> tobacco/spice 20:22:24 <George> And did you like it? I never transported oil from oil wells in temperate. 20:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> you don't necessarily need to force the old industries to close, it would just get not lucrative for the player to serve such tiny amounts of cargo anymore 20:22:50 <frosch123> George: IMO that depends on how long they are available 20:23:10 <frosch123> i.e. the oil wells only decrease production in original game 20:23:35 <frosch123> but when they would behave normal from 1850 - 1950, things would be different 20:23:35 <George> 2frosch: and what do you suggest? 20:23:57 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:24:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> George: may i suggest you an IRC gimmick that nearly all clients support? when you want to type a nickname of a person in the chat, type their starting letters, and then press the <tab> key 20:24:44 <frosch123> and someone who starts with horses and 10 kmh trains in 1800 has to replace his whole network anyway at some point 20:25:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> and leave out this "2", that is very disturbing... 20:25:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 20:25:12 <frosch123> lol 20:25:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean the other 2 ;) 20:25:28 <Ammler> :-D 20:25:35 <TrueBrain> now that is worth a quote ;) 20:25:51 <George> well, what amounts of production are good for which time? 20:26:17 <Ammler> 19th century 20:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that depends very much on player's taste 20:26:30 <George> Eddi|zuHause: thank you 20:26:49 <Ammler> around a 1/10 of 1950 20:27:21 <SmatZ> for me, 2000 production is fine, no matter what time it is... 20:27:40 <Ammler> poor horses :P 20:27:57 <SmatZ> :-) 20:28:05 <SmatZ> there are tons of them 20:28:08 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 20:28:11 * frosch123 hates primary industries producing more than 1000 units 20:28:14 <SmatZ> you can "build" them ;) 20:28:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:28:36 <frosch123> when playing with a wagon speed limit of 80 or 120 kmh, I need a whole track to only service a single industry 20:28:36 <SmatZ> why, frosch123? because 1 platform loading station isn't enough? 20:28:47 <frosch123> I would not care about the platform 20:28:51 <George> frosch123: we are speaking about SECONDARY industries 20:28:52 <SmatZ> :) 20:28:59 <SmatZ> ah... 20:29:05 * SmatZ goes back to work :) 20:29:16 <Ammler> well, but 2. depense on 1. 20:29:30 <frosch123> but at some point there is no sense in a network, when a single industry needs its own track 20:29:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd say on average, you should have 10 primary industries to serve 1 secondary industry 20:29:49 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5353392C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 20:30:13 <Eddi|zuHause> so 1000 is fine when each primary industry provides 100 20:30:33 <frosch123> George: well, the difference is, that I control how much secondary industries produce, by stopping delivering them 20:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> for horse carriages, you cannot expect them to haul 100 items per month, though 20:30:41 <George> Eddi|zuHause: I planned 3-7 primary for 1 secondary in average, but the number should grow during gameplay 20:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause> George: keep in mind that the production of primary industries also rises 20:31:38 <George> but less than secondary ones. 20:33:15 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 20:33:18 <George> frosch123: So, how many items should it produce on the highest level before 1900, in 1920, 1950, 2000, 2050? 20:33:29 <frosch123> well for farms one could say, 9 of 10 close down from 1860 to 1950, and the other increase production by factor 50 or so 20:34:22 <George> 50? Interesting. Do you have the same statistics for other industries? 20:34:38 <frosch123> err, that was a wild guess of my imagination :) 20:35:00 <George> :)))) 20:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the number of people working in agriculture did decrease from something like 90% to 4% in the last 200 years 20:36:35 <Eddi|zuHause> which was the start of all this industrialisation mess in the first place, increasing the efficiency of agriculture ;) 20:36:49 <George> frosch123: BTW that would require OTTDs code to have different amount of industries to generate before 1900, and after 1920. 20:38:56 <frosch123> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Produktivit%A4t <- at the bottom is some table, the last column "ÎPi" is the increment rate of productivity 20:39:12 <frosch123> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Produktivit%C3%A4t 20:39:20 <frosch123> stupid client 20:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i could imagine giving the industries some overall "weight", so not all industries are considered equal with regard to industry generation... so you could have 100 farms or 5 factories with the same industry density setting 20:39:52 <Ammler> but don't look to deep in that :-) 20:40:10 <Ammler> else you should read Belugas nice text about R* 20:40:40 <Eddi|zuHause> this is not about r*, it is about gameplay balance 20:41:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:23 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:35 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:46:24 <George> I read that text. But that does not remove the idea 20:46:34 <Zuu> Is anyone aware of a stand-alone program to query a OpenTTD server of the info that can be optained from it? I'm aware of OpenTTDLib in php, which is a possibility by making a php-file that takes ip and port as input and deliveries the result from the OpenTTD server. 20:47:05 <TrueBrain> I never read anyone making a true stand-alone application doing that, besides OpenTTD itself 20:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: what are you actually asking? 20:47:20 <TrueBrain> (well, and except ottd-update (part of MasterServer)) 20:48:20 <Zuu> A solution to get the version of an OpenTTD server form a stand-alone program. 20:48:29 <Ammler> Zuu: there is something with python too 20:48:38 <Zuu> Ammler: Ok. 20:48:58 <TrueBrain> Zuu: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/extra/masterserver_updater/src/updater 20:50:07 <Zuu> TrueBrain: That looks interesting, thank you. 20:50:25 <TrueBrain> it is what fills http://servers.openttd.org 20:52:02 <ln> http://drehscheibe-online.ist-im-web.de/forum/read.php?108,3998907 20:52:14 <George> would 2K in 1920 and 14k in 2050 be Ok? 20:52:46 <Ammler> if you can build a 2. in 2050 :-) 20:53:25 <Ammler> but well, ECS is very hard to manage anyway. 20:54:25 <George> Ammler: What is wrong? 20:54:35 <Ammler> nothing wrong 20:54:48 <Ammler> just not that easy as default, which is fine, imo. 20:55:33 <Ammler> I guess, there is no server using ECS atm. 20:59:07 <frosch123> gnight 20:59:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff4b8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:35 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:01:24 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: where do you always get the scariest news from? 21:11:57 <ln> the Internet Relay Chat 21:17:18 *** el_En [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 21:19:14 <Wolf01> 'night 21:19:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host124-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:23:01 *** Runr [~Runar@224.14.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:09 <ln> he just can't leave silently. 21:26:54 <Eddi|zuHause> at least he is quick to be buried 21:30:58 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 21:32:28 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Quit: The Rise and Fall of the Heavens themselves is dependant upon Humanity's belief and disbelief.] 21:37:29 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F704.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:37:49 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:06 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 21:38:31 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:40 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 21:57:02 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0D9E05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:57:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 21:57:05 <George> frosch: 21:57:07 <George> Looks Like I got the similar bug for industry construction 21:57:08 <George> 308 * 21 04 0A FF 01 E5 DC "ÃCement works" 00 21:57:10 <George> 309 * 21 04 0A 82 01 E5 DC "ÃZementfabrik" 00 21:57:11 <George> 310 * 24 04 0A 83 01 E5 DC "ÃUsine de béton" 00 21:57:13 <George> 311 * 18 04 0A 84 01 E5 DC "ÃCementera" 00 21:57:14 <George> 312 * 38 04 0A 87 01 E5 DC "ÃЊеЌеМÑÐœÑй завПЎ" 00 21:57:16 <George> 313 * 28 04 0A A7 01 E5 DC "ÃFabbrica di cemento" 00 21:57:17 <George> OTTD Error text: String 0xDCE5 isinvalid. Probably because an old version of the .lng file. 21:58:47 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:47 <Rubidium> George: don't expect frosch to read that 21:58:58 <Celestar> \o 21:59:07 <Aali> yeah, he's not here 21:59:11 <Rubidium> evening Celestar 21:59:28 <Aali> but there's something going on with the strings in ECS, thats for sure 21:59:39 <ln> *that's 21:59:47 <Aali> i posted my issue on flyspray 22:00:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody points out the grammatical error in the error message :p 22:01:28 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.189.114.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:39 <ln> *of 22:03:02 * Celestar 's sick in bed :( 22:03:25 * TrueBrain hopes Celestar feels better very soon 22:03:31 <TrueBrain> on the good side, you now have time for cargodest ;) 22:03:32 <TrueBrain> hehe 22:03:45 <ln> please state the nature of the medical emergency! 22:04:39 <Celestar> ln: I'm shitting about half a liter of water per hour ... 22:05:21 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks for that image 22:05:28 <thingwath> in bed? 22:05:30 <ln> that's... hmm, hopefully your nearest emergency medical hologram can help :/ 22:05:58 <Celestar> I'm commuting between the bed and the loo 22:05:59 <Celestar> :P 22:06:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.212.200] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:06:26 <Celestar> without the laptop I might add 22:06:28 <Rubidium> I hope DB doesn't charge too much for that 22:06:36 <Celestar> Rubidium: DB? 22:06:54 <stillunknown> Deutsche Bahn i guess 22:06:55 <Rubidium> you're not commuting by train? ;) 22:07:07 <Celestar> er nope ^^ 22:07:37 <thingwath> Week ago I had a plan to use trolleybus for trips to WC. 22:07:50 <Celestar> hey they found 6 more planets this week ^^ 22:10:44 <Rubidium> only 6? 22:10:56 <Rubidium> and they say there are billions of them 22:12:14 <Celestar> that's not a bad rate for the crude instruments we have, that can mostly detect massive planets in close orbits (which are theoretically rare) 22:13:18 <Celestar> I think I'll call it a day 22:13:24 <Celestar> cu tomorrow 22:13:25 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0D9E05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:15:05 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227024047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:19:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 22:22:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227022167.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:11 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:22:40 *** rortom [~rortom_@cpc4-cmbg3-0-0-cust464.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:35:26 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-97-79.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 22:35:37 <Char> re 22:37:21 <TrueBrain> ra 22:37:31 *** Runr [~Runar@224.14.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 22:37:34 <Aali> ro 22:38:53 <ln> ir 22:42:36 <Sacro|Laptop> ru 22:43:25 <thingwath> ry(chlik) 22:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> frÃŒstÃŒk? 22:44:48 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: isn't it a little late/early for that? 22:44:54 <TrueBrain> Kung Fu Panda .. would that be any good movie :s 22:45:41 <Rubidium> better than burn after reading 22:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCWNwTpa87Y <- Rubidium: it's a parody on turkish and morning TV, which explains the weird spelling ;) 22:49:24 * Rubidium likes bernie und ert more 22:49:46 <Eddi|zuHause> different parody :p 22:49:52 <Rubidium> true 22:50:10 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:51:58 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:41 *** murr4y [murray@2002:9e27:7d58:4:204:76ff:fe21:749d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-143c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:07:19 <Aali> wow, what is up with these horse carriages 23:07:26 <TrueBrain> Friend of mine starts to play OpenTTD ... she starts to complain she can't build busses ... so after a few basic questions, I ask: what year are you in .. 1892 ... and you wonder why you can't build busses? Hehe ... 23:07:53 <Aali> its like they're skipping orders with every other frame 23:08:27 <Aali> which means they just keep going around randomly, never stopping at any stations 23:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> falling asleep on the "D" key? 23:09:18 <Aali> happens to all five of them 23:09:27 <Aali> trains work fine, trying faster vehicles 23:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong kind of station? 23:09:54 <Rubidium> or... unreachable station 23:09:58 <Aali> you can't even give orders if your stations are wrong 23:10:14 <Aali> the stations really shouldn't be unreachable 23:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> or someone screwed up with multistop reservation? 23:10:39 <Aali> i have 10 tiles of road between two simple lorry stations 23:11:32 <Aali> hmm 23:11:42 <Aali> trucks of the same speed do work 23:12:00 <Aali> am i supposed to build some special type of stations for horse carriages? 23:13:14 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:27 <ln> does someone have a link to Obama's "informercial" in HD? 23:14:36 *** lobstah is now known as lobster 23:14:59 <TrueBrain> try building busstations? :p 23:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it gets confused with cargo refits? 23:15:30 <Rubidium> try building drive through stops 23:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> or that 23:15:40 <Aali> ah, no they're articulated 23:15:50 <Aali> Rubidium: spot on 23:17:04 <Aali> heh, broken horse carriages are drawn without the horses 23:17:31 <Aali> with improved breakdowns you get ghost carriages that move on their own :D 23:19:34 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:19:37 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:16 <SmatZ> hehe 23:21:30 <SmatZ> horses died, waiting for new ones 23:21:51 <SmatZ> better than horses with smoke... 23:22:23 <TrueBrain> lol 23:23:05 <SmatZ> :-) 23:23:33 <Aali> actually, they do smoke too 23:23:43 <TrueBrain> bad for your health 23:24:08 <Aali> when they have a "mechanical failure" which is basically the same as a vanilla breakdown 23:24:23 <thingwath> to burn them is easier than to burry them 23:24:57 <SmatZ> hmm strange, in my version of LV4, there is both smoke and horsies 23:34:39 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:35:30 <Char> carriages? 23:35:35 <Char> what kind of version is that? 23:35:45 <Aali> its a grf 23:35:49 <Char> LV4? 23:35:52 <Aali> egrvts 23:37:35 <Char> hmmm 23:37:38 <Char> looks nice 23:39:04 <Char> i wonder if it is possible to play the game solely with road vehicles 23:39:23 <TrueBrain> of course it is 23:39:23 <Char> no trains :P 23:39:24 <Aali> of course it is 23:39:26 <Char> well 23:39:27 <Char> i mean 23:39:30 <TrueBrain> lol @ Aali :) 23:39:32 <Char> usefully playable 23:39:34 <Char> like 23:39:52 <Char> can you support a 1000+ goods/month factory with it? 23:40:38 <Aali> the only bad thing about RVs is that you can't control them in the same way you can control your trains 23:41:54 <SmatZ> multistop is limited to 16 loading bays / station 23:42:15 <Aali> but you can always have more stations 23:42:21 <SmatZ> yeah :) 23:42:50 <Aali> 16 loading bays with high traffic is bound to cause some serious jamming too 23:43:04 <Char> ;) 23:43:14 <Char> my trains jam as well, so.... 23:46:47 <Aali> Char: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_111_-_120#gameid_111 23:47:09 <Aali> download the save for PSG111 and have a look 23:47:47 <Char> wow 23:50:19 <Char> thats horribly slow :P 23:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> TT was horribly slow with 80 trains on my 386 DX25 23:51:30 <Char> good thing with RVs is that you do not need any signalling 23:51:55 <Char> TT was pretty okay if you had not too many trains on my 386 DX40 23:51:56 <Aali> bad thing with RVs is that you can't do any signaling 23:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 40 is significantly more than 25 23:52:30 <Char> the 368 SX25 processor which was in that computer earlier (and the 8x 128KB RAM) was slower though 23:52:55 <Char> that thing had a turbo switch which you had to switch on to get 25 MHz 23:53:03 <Char> otherwise it was running with 8 MHz 23:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> even on my 486 SX25 laptop it was significantly faster 23:53:25 <Char> hmmm 23:53:48 <Char> you remember the games that did not have any kind of control for the speed they were running at? 23:53:53 <Char> just running as fast as it got? 23:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 23:54:02 <Char> like... nibbles for example :P 23:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually started those under windows, so they run slower :p 23:54:24 <Char> which kindof sucked at 25 MHz but was pretty okay at 8 MHz 23:54:29 <Char> hmmm 23:54:42 <Char> and warcraft1 was running much faster at my friends 486 23:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> my computer did not have a turbo button 23:54:53 <Char> too bad ;) 23:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it was worse when my brother thought he found the turbo button 23:55:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but it was the reset button... 23:55:27 <Char> ;) 23:55:31 <Char> hmmm 23:55:38 <TrueBrain> hmm .. turbo button ... 23:55:53 <Char> i remember that the computer did not turn off when you pressed the power button but only when you released it 23:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> which he of course had to press immediately before i had a chance to correct him... 23:56:12 <TrueBrain> Char: pretty normal for mechanical switches :) 23:56:12 <Char> so i remember pushing the power button and then realizing that i should not yet switch off 23:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that is normal 23:56:17 <Char> so i had to hold that thing 23:56:23 <Char> for a while..... 23:56:28 <TrueBrain> we all been there :) 23:56:43 <Char> until i realized that if you were quick enough you could release it and press it again without the computer going off 23:56:55 <Eddi|zuHause> but mine was not such a pushing switch, so it was different 23:57:11 <Char> hmmm 23:57:13 <TrueBrain> before that I had a real switch 23:57:16 <TrueBrain> not a press button :p 23:57:27 <Char> the best switch i ever had though was much later 23:57:37 <Char> on a pentium3 or something like that 23:58:20 <Char> a friend of mine had a computer on his desk which did not have any case.... otherwise it was fine though. problem was that without a case, you did not have any power switch 23:58:25 <Char> so you could not turn it on 23:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause> my father loved the power switch on his Colani tower, because he could switch it with his big toe 23:58:35 <thingwath> screwdriver... 23:58:46 <Char> however, the power switch basically does nothing else than connect the pins on the mainboard 23:58:53 <Char> yes, a screwdriver worked pretty well ;) 23:59:06 <Char> Eddi|zuHause: rofl 23:59:08 <TrueBrain> I still do that when working on a computer 23:59:15 * thingwath loves screwdrivers 23:59:17 <TrueBrain> the reset button only works a bit more annoying 23:59:32 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:59:37 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-116.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 23:59:43 <TrueBrain> nothing a jumper can't fix ;)