Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:00:15 <Aali> so you could probably still make some money with one plane or a helicopter 00:00:28 <Brianetta> AgentLeMan: Experienced. Uber-rich players are not bankrupt; kind of a contradiction. 00:00:40 <AgentLeMan> Aali, i meant, trash all trains, use planes for the cargo that is nonpaxish 00:00:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179063024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:01:38 <AgentLeMan> Brianetta, nono :o) you said, you MAKE them go bankcrupt, i thought og some kind of limit, from which it will all get much much harder to make profit 00:02:21 <AgentLeMan> but.. how do you decide/judge, who IS experienced? number of used signals? 00:03:10 <Brianetta> I don't decide 00:03:13 <Brianetta> and it's not automatic 00:03:19 <Brianetta> it's just bloody hard to get rich 00:03:27 <AgentLeMan> uah :o) 00:03:41 <Brianetta> "My server settings make experienced players go bankrupt" in the sense of "children make parents go mad" 00:03:45 <Brianetta> Not all parents 00:03:47 <Brianetta> just parents 00:04:36 <AgentLeMan> thats what i like about the uk renewal trainset : normally, ( as far as i see ) the running costs/profit ratio is 1:10. in ukrs it is more like 1:32 00:04:37 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet592.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 00:04:44 <AgentLeMan> 1:3, later then 1:2 00:05:56 <AgentLeMan> in appes scenario it is evem 1:20 00:05:57 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:19 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 00:10:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet592.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:02 *** thomas001 [~thomas@p54B76BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:17:22 <thomas001> hi, i run a passenger service between two town which looks like this: Town A --- long train connection --> station X with no town besides it --- short ferry connection -> town B. i've choosen transfer for the train at station X,and i earn good money there. and i've chosen unload for the ferry at town B,but there i loose money upon every ferry arrival. why? 00:18:05 <AgentLeMan> gee, its really time for cargodest ;o) 00:18:38 <Aali> cargodest doesn't solve this problem 00:18:46 <AgentLeMan> huh? :o((( 00:19:00 <Eddi|zuHause> thomas001: the problem is that the ferry is much slower than the train 00:19:05 <Aali> it gets worse, actually, since transfers will happen implicitly 00:19:11 <thomas001> i need 2 stations btw X for A->B and Y for B->A ...perhaps this whould be solved by cargodest 00:19:13 <AgentLeMan> i hought, it would solve the twoway transferfeedersystem 00:19:25 <thomas001> Eddi|zuHause, where is the problem there? 00:19:39 <Aali> it does, but it doesn't solve the negative income issue 00:19:54 <AgentLeMan> Aali, oh, thats now oaky for me 00:19:55 <Eddi|zuHause> thomas001: the train gets an estimated income on the expectations that the passengers travel on with the same speed 00:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause> then the ferry travels at much lower speed, so it must pay the difference between expected and real income 00:20:31 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 00:20:53 <thomas001> so this problem will be solved when faster ferries will be available? 00:21:04 <AgentLeMan> hm, but.. when they are on the ferry, doesnt get the estiomation calculated anew, so when they again board the train, its all +-0? 00:21:08 <SmatZ> or use slower trains :-P 00:21:10 <thomas001> is it the correct way to run such a transfer service or should the train just unload? 00:21:12 <Aali> thomas001: you're still making money 00:21:43 <Aali> but the train gets too much money and the ferry has to make up for that 00:22:03 <SmatZ> use transfer 00:22:16 <thomas001> Aali, poor little ferry 00:22:39 <Aali> indeed 00:22:53 <SmatZ> at each transfer point, the value of cargo is computed as if it was transferred from original station to this destination 00:23:12 <SmatZ> sum of all transfer shares == final cargo value 00:23:40 <thomas001> how does the game know about the destination of the cargo when it arrives at a feeder station? 00:23:41 <SmatZ> so if you unloaded cargo at your transfer station, you would get more money than now 00:23:50 <SmatZ> it doesn't know final station 00:24:00 <SmatZ> it knows current station and station of origin 00:24:11 <SmatZ> feeder share aren't real money 00:24:18 <SmatZ> it is not added to your bank ballance 00:24:22 <AgentLeMan> thats why the last vehicle adjusts the whole profit? 00:24:34 <SmatZ> not only the last 00:25:00 <thomas001> can you please explain why i whould earn more money when just unloading...i don't get it 00:25:05 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all 00:25:07 <AgentLeMan> uhm, sorry, i meant "makes" 00:25:11 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-75-37.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:25:48 *** George [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:04 <AgentLeMan> btw. is this : http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Feeder_service still valid all? 00:26:26 <SmatZ> thomas001: you don't get more money, just feeder won't be 'in red' 00:26:42 <thomas001> ah,ok 00:27:25 <Patrick> ok, riddle me this 00:27:30 <Patrick> I want to do magic 00:27:39 <SmatZ> AgentLeMan: seems outdated 00:27:43 <Patrick> I want to take 50 trains and make each of them longer 00:27:45 <Patrick> automatically 00:27:49 <AgentLeMan> SmatZ ok :o( 00:28:15 <Aali> Patrick: you're screwed 00:28:21 <Aali> you'll have to do it manually 00:28:23 <Patrick> my current plan is to send them all to a depot, sell them all, and rebuild the fleet 00:28:26 <Char> even autoreplace wont work, right? ;) 00:28:28 <Patrick> or, and this is the cunning bit 00:28:32 <Patrick> I think this'll work: 00:28:42 <Char> or can you use autoreplace to replace whole trains? 00:28:47 <Patrick> autoreplace a dualhead to a singlehead 00:28:58 <Patrick> and make it keep the same length, it might add an extra cart 00:29:00 <thomas001> and cargodest is some patch which simplifies setting up cargo destinations? will it get into main openttd somewhen soon? i dislike the idea playing patched games ;-) 00:29:06 <Patrick> and then replace it the way back 00:29:09 <Aali> it doesn't say keep the same length 00:29:12 <Patrick> ah. 00:29:18 <Aali> its only wagon removal 00:29:22 <Aali> never adds anything 00:29:53 <Char> thomas001: how do you mean, simplify? 00:30:26 <thomas001> Char, for example that i do not need to stations any more for a feeder service in two directions 00:30:27 <Aali> thomas001: cargodest keeps an internal routing network based on your vehicles orders, in effect, cargo wants to go somewhere specific and routes itself through your network 00:31:04 <Char> thomas001: i guess cargodest is not what you are looking for ;) 00:31:14 <Char> btw 00:31:25 <Char> what happens if i only build point-to-point routes? 00:31:26 <Aali> thomas001: so no, you will not need two stations for a feeder service in two directions 00:31:35 <Patrick> Char: your map gets very clogged 00:31:37 <AgentLeMan> °grins° thought : a depot sitting right before at a station, if the train has that as order ( and a special re-length order ) train goes in, and the depot looks into the targetloadstation, how much cargo there is, then the depot adjusts the traincars, so everything that is NOW there, can be loaded. next time, when less cargo is there, the same 00:31:46 <Aali> since the cargo wont board a train that doesn't go to its destination 00:31:55 <Char> Patrick: yeah i know, but i dont need any hubs :P. what happens to cargodest? 00:31:56 <Patrick> AgentLeMan: heh, but platform length? 00:32:00 <Patrick> dunno. 00:32:07 <Patrick> the cargo panics 00:32:16 <AgentLeMan> patrick, 7 tiles should be enough for most, i think 00:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:54 <thomas001> Aali, so the cargo doesn't know the train feeds a train which goes to its destination? 00:32:57 <AgentLeMan> <--- not a fan of those uberstationscenarios 00:33:02 * Char imagines panicking oil 00:33:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:28 <Aali> thomas001: in regular ottd, any cargo will be loaded into any train that can take it 00:33:39 <thomas001> Aali, and with cargodest? 00:33:47 <Char> and unloaded at any station it is "wanted" 00:33:59 <Aali> in cargodest, cargo packets want to go somewhere and will not board a train that doesn't take it closer to its destination 00:34:05 <Char> thomas001: your cargo decides "i want to go from munich heights to erfurt lower" 00:34:17 <AgentLeMan> Char, what about emotional sensitive ectoplasm? ;o) 00:34:30 <thomas001> closer in which sense? 00:34:32 <Char> AgentLeMan: i never met any, i think 00:34:44 <Char> thomas001: in a spatial sense, i guess 00:35:02 <AgentLeMan> Char, if so : be nice and kind and polite! and DONT pour it into toasters! 00:35:30 <thomas001> and how does my cargo know which destination it should travel to? 00:36:02 <Aali> thomas001: if you have a route from A to B, cargo will choose that route over one that goes A->X->B 00:36:22 <Aali> but if A->X-B is the only way, it will go there 00:36:30 <thomas001> Aali, imagine passenger service A->B and A->C, how to passengers at A decide where to travel? 00:36:48 <Char> btw 00:36:57 <Char> which kind of ectoplasma do you refer to? 00:36:58 <Char> Ectoplasm is said to be produced by physical mediums when in a trance state. This material is excreted as a gauze-like substance from orifices on the medium's body and spiritual entities are said to drape this substance over their nonphysical body, enabling them to interact in our physical universe. 00:37:00 <Aali> depends on what service you're providing 00:37:03 <Char> (from wiki) 00:37:18 <AgentLeMan> Char wow.# 00:37:26 <thomas001> Aali, passenger transport i think ;) 00:37:32 <Aali> but they'll probably want to go from A to B and A to C 00:37:44 <Char> AgentLeMan: ? 00:37:51 <AgentLeMan> Char : wow. 00:38:02 <Aali> yes, but planes are better than trains (or the other way around, can't remember) 00:38:07 <Char> AgentLeMan: why? 00:38:09 <thomas001> Aali, so they'll enter the first train that arrives? 00:38:12 <AgentLeMan> and if youre not a medium? thats then called.. sweat? 00:38:18 <Char> i have no idea 00:38:24 <Char> the german wiki says more 00:38:37 <Aali> thomas001: no, they already know where they want to go when they spawn at the station 00:38:39 <AgentLeMan> why? because it "seems" plausible, hence : wow 00:38:56 <Char> it tells that ectoplasma is supposed to be grey-white and foamy 00:39:06 <AgentLeMan> so youre train becomes a spawnkiller °snickers° 00:39:28 <thomas001> Aali, hmm,that sounds nice...will i have more passenger in a big town that want to travel to another big town than to a village? ;) 00:39:33 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:40:22 <AgentLeMan> Char "spiritual entities are said to drape this substance over their nonphysical body, enabling them to interact in our physical universe." < reminds me of mr. montgomery burns where he got overmedicated and roamed the woods 00:41:02 <Char> :P 00:41:04 <Char> damn 00:41:06 <Char> i misspelled 00:41:08 <Char> openttd 00:41:10 <AgentLeMan> i referred thought to pink ectoplasm... ( movie : ghostbusters II ) 00:41:11 <Char> and got to 00:41:11 <Char> http://www.opentt.org/ 00:41:17 <Aali> thomas001: not really, passenger routes aren't balanced so that if X passengers go from A to B, X passengers must go back to A 00:41:42 <AgentLeMan> Aali oO 00:41:42 <Aali> but stuff like that will probably be implemented after its included in trunk 00:41:52 <Patrick> so I can just ship everyone in the world 00:41:54 <AgentLeMan> its an exchange? 00:41:55 <Patrick> to an oil rig 00:42:03 <Char> thomas001: this site (http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Cargodest) might be slightly outdated, but looking at the pictures might answer quite some of your questions 00:42:18 <Char> look at the "station cargo list" pics 00:42:19 <Aali> Patrick: sure 00:42:38 <thomas001> thanks Char 00:42:47 <Char> AgentLeMan: didnt see that movie 00:42:52 <Aali> in regular ottd, you can do whatever you want to those poor people 00:42:59 <Char> yeah 00:43:05 <AgentLeMan> Patrick, im wondering... if you do that and shove 20k pax to an oilrig... will you get more... "oil" out of it? ;oP 00:43:10 <Aali> in cargodest, they will only go to that oil rig if there's nowhere else to go 00:43:21 <Char> like dump them all in some fucked-up place at one end of the map for the sole reason that its the farthest place to go to 00:43:22 <AgentLeMan> i mean.. they must end "somewhere" 00:43:56 <AgentLeMan> at breakfast "mummy? the margerine smells like grandpa!" 00:44:00 <Char> AgentLeMan: is that a philosophical question? :P 00:44:31 <Char> AgentLeMan: well, i dont know.... but MY margerine is not made from that kind of oil 00:44:46 <AgentLeMan> Char well... as it is now, all people just want to "get the hell outta here" 00:44:59 <Char> yeah 00:45:04 <Char> with no specific destination 00:45:07 <Char> :P 00:45:16 <Char> damn 00:45:21 <Char> i should stop eating chocolate 00:45:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:26 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:45:49 <SpComb> nevar 00:46:07 <Char> ? 00:46:09 <AgentLeMan> Char: okok. at car-repairstation : "sir, your car smells like teen spirit" 00:46:50 <AgentLeMan> ergo : oilrigs, if fed with enough passangers create/produce ectoplasm 00:47:03 <Char> repair station guy: "damn, shouldnt have had my girlfriend in YOUR car...." 00:47:24 <AgentLeMan> hehe 00:47:37 <Char> hmmm 00:47:38 <Char> so 00:47:53 <Char> what kind of wagons do you transport ectoplasm in? 00:48:03 <AgentLeMan> oh, thats easy 00:48:13 <Char> remember, its grey-white 00:48:17 <Char> and foamy 00:48:47 <Char> and - where do you transport it to? 00:52:15 <AgentLeMan> its basically a cage, like for birds, connected to a powersource, farraday-cagelike, powered by a high-frequency ionic charger. a second device creates a magnetometric field around the cage, to strengthen it. and it has of course to be made of a specific metal. in case you get sued by villages for "making people think, you transport aliens ( because of the color ) to some gulag, you can drape over it a black blanket. and of course, your target 00:52:47 <Char> too long message :P 00:52:53 <AgentLeMan> wahts missing? 00:52:55 <Char> and now you have to retype that stuff 00:53:07 <Char> "and of course, your target" is the last words 00:53:11 <AgentLeMan> and why do "i" not see the cut-off? 00:53:11 <Char> i guess the rest got cropped? 00:53:22 <AgentLeMan> and of course, your target of choice is... hmmm any governmental building in a given city. because most of the dead want to haunt such places. 00:53:41 <Char> great 00:53:45 <Char> sounds like fun 00:53:56 <Char> you can write the ectoplasm branch for openttd :P 00:54:04 <AgentLeMan> sure... until the powersource fails...... 00:54:29 <AgentLeMan> and then we even have a new katastrophe 00:56:15 <AgentLeMan> but..honestly Char... 00:56:19 <Aali> you could do that with a grf 00:56:25 <AgentLeMan> i rather want to write a roleplaying system for openttd 00:56:49 <AgentLeMan> so you can take over one of those passangers, evolve with it as it travels hte land 00:57:27 <AgentLeMan> wait... even better : 3D-openttd! °snickers insanely° 00:59:06 <AgentLeMan> Aali, my ethical restraints forbid to supply an oilrig with teenagers 00:59:07 <SmatZ> AgentLeMan: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/3d/ a little bit working, but would need a lot of work... and I am not really sure if this is the way OTTD should evolve 00:59:34 <AgentLeMan> SmatZ, it was really really an insane joke. 01:00:02 <SmatZ> :) 01:00:15 <AgentLeMan> oh 01:00:26 <AgentLeMan> you mean landlayers. 01:00:37 <AgentLeMan> i meant full 3D. ;o/ 01:00:41 <SmatZ> ah 01:00:56 <SmatZ> there was one... conversion for mobile phones 01:00:57 <DaleStan> George_: Most likely, you've set Info version 4 or 5. Info versions 4 and 5 don't have includes. 01:01:16 <SmatZ> I don't remember its name now 01:01:22 <AgentLeMan> landlayers would be actually nice, if not even needed for subways (? ) 01:02:25 <SmatZ> with current tile system, you have only one layer of tiles 01:02:35 <AgentLeMan> SmatZ, well, if you need someone to test stuff... 01:02:40 <Char> lol 01:02:43 <Char> hmmm 01:02:56 <SmatZ> tunnels and bridges may look like as an exception, but they are represented only by their two ends 01:03:04 <SmatZ> :) 01:03:10 <Char> yeah 01:03:12 <AgentLeMan> i worked just recently 4 hours just to find out, why a train reverses and the other one not 01:03:14 <Char> not like in locomotion 01:03:16 <Char> then again 01:03:20 <Char> the locomotion stuff sucks 01:03:22 <Char> kinda 01:03:32 <AgentLeMan> also i tried to find out, why heliports explode so darnly 01:03:42 <Char> ? 01:03:43 <SmatZ> explode? heliports? 01:03:47 <Char> heliports explode? 01:03:51 <AgentLeMan> locomotion? °snickers° what a poor excuse to make money 01:04:01 <Char> well 01:04:05 <Char> i didnt like it either 01:04:16 <Char> apart from that, i failed in like the 9th level or so 01:04:20 <AgentLeMan> well, i put in a well working city a heliport and it has masses of passengers after a short time 01:04:34 <AgentLeMan> Char, i just took a quick look and trashed it 01:04:48 <AgentLeMan> same wit hthe toher "new" ttd... uhm.. railroads or so 01:05:02 <AgentLeMan> "the other" 01:06:38 <AgentLeMan> and... as more and more games come out/are converted to the consoles, it also gets more simple. "megamicromanagament" ( ;o) ) is out. games are advertised with "gamehours needed/included"... 01:07:47 <AgentLeMan> ( personal opinion, not proven fact ) 01:08:18 * SmatZ is happy with old games 01:08:22 <AgentLeMan> aye 01:09:27 <AgentLeMan> which reminds me... hadnt looked at the new carrier command since some time 01:13:56 <Char> which reminds me of the game with the coolest exit words i have ever seen :P 01:15:25 <AgentLeMan> oh, game with the cooolest deathsound/sentence? battlefield 1942 - in a dying down voice "nÀÀÀchstes mal" °laughs° 01:16:13 <Char> "Congratulations. You are now the bridge building champion. People now look at you with respect and admiration. Your bridges have brought peace and joy to the earth, Iowa, and the moon. Happy days are ahead of you." 01:16:50 <Char> "Visit the Bridge Builder website for contests, unpdates, and the meaning of life (coming soon)." 01:16:53 <AgentLeMan> °snickers° 01:17:21 <Char> the meaning of life still isnt online, bte 01:17:22 <Char> btw 01:17:37 <AgentLeMan> we should gather money to buy their sourcecode 01:18:01 <AgentLeMan> then, if you want to build a bridge in openttd, that "bridge builder" gets started as a minigame 01:19:10 <AgentLeMan> and Char? 01:19:41 <AgentLeMan> "the meaning of life still isnt online" it really isnt. and i dont mean that website... 01:22:12 <Char> well 01:22:15 <Char> that game is free 01:22:31 <Char> i guess you could get their sourcecode if you asked them nicely 01:22:49 <Char> besides: lol 01:22:58 <Char> hmmm 01:23:00 <Char> another question 01:23:08 <Char> how do you guys manage your music? 01:23:14 <Char> it seems to me that i got way too much music 01:23:23 <Char> however, with storage space being that damn cheap 01:23:23 <AgentLeMan> manage? i store it. done. 01:23:30 <Char> i see no reason to delete any 01:23:35 <AgentLeMan> yip 01:23:42 <Char> but i need to get some kind of sorting into it :/ 01:23:44 <AgentLeMan> no reason either to burn it 01:23:57 <AgentLeMan> ( on discs i mean ) 01:24:02 <AgentLeMan> "onto" 01:24:03 <Char> well 01:24:12 <Char> if i wanted to burn it on usual CDs 01:24:22 <Char> it would take a while 01:24:28 <AgentLeMan> but what i really lok out for is a player that doesnt crash with 20K files 01:24:41 <Char> hmmm 01:24:47 <Char> does winamp do that? 01:24:56 <Char> how many files do you have? 01:25:01 <AgentLeMan> AND has a nice, comfy palylistmanagment 01:25:08 <AgentLeMan> winamp, oh please... 01:25:11 <Char> winamp doesnt? 01:25:15 <Char> why? 01:25:20 <Char> whats wrong with it? 01:26:11 <AgentLeMan> i just dont like it. i use since 5 years or so a player im totally satisifed with. it just wont work with many files. 01:27:12 <AgentLeMan> and i prefer to have just a tiny bar as controlGUI, winamps is TOO tiny. 01:27:40 <AgentLeMan> also i dont need its internetradio/tv-aspect 01:28:17 <AgentLeMan> its really just a matter of preference. im not into flamewars. 01:31:25 <Char> hmmm 01:31:39 <Char> which player do you use? 01:32:03 <Char> you know, i am not like a winamp fanboy or sth, i just wanted to know what you think is wrong with it ;) 01:33:12 <Char> and if there is a better player, i am always happy to know 01:33:20 <AgentLeMan> there isnt womething "wrong" with it 01:34:44 <AgentLeMan> i just prefer it sleek and fit to the purpose, thats why i use the quintessential player with a special "skin", which, compared to winamp also changes the form of the gui, not just like laying a picture over it 01:37:09 <Char> hmmm 01:37:21 <Char> i guess the newer skins do something similar in winamp 01:37:24 <Char> but i am not sure 01:37:34 <Char> doesnt matter anyway ;) 01:40:18 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet592.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:49:14 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 01:51:04 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-245-12.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:08:23 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm9.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 02:13:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:18:38 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 02:23:37 *** Administrador [~Administr@201.170.175.35] has joined #openttd 02:24:34 <Administrador> Tired of black people? Join us at http://www.chimpout.com" target="_blank">http://www.chimpout.com and learn more about these feral simian beasts! This is not a skinhead or white supremacist organization. Asians, Jews, Mexicans, and any non-congoloid ethnic group is welcome to unite. HUMANS vs NIGGGERS http://www.chimpout.com" target="_blank">http://www.chimpout.com 02:25:04 <AgentLeMan> oO 02:25:30 <AgentLeMan> whats this then? 02:26:02 <Char> wheeeeeee??! 02:26:15 <Char> non-congoloid 02:26:16 <Char> ? 02:26:26 <Char> feral simian breasts?!? 02:26:33 <AgentLeMan> someone ban, burn, castrate, tar and feather, drown and shoot that bastard please? 02:26:51 <Char> in that order? 02:27:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:27:07 <AgentLeMan> i dont care, just eradicate 02:27:28 <Char> we'd need an op here 02:27:42 <Administrador> Tired of black people? Join us at http://www.chimpout.com" target="_blank">http://www.chimpout.com and learn more about these feral simian beasts! This is not a skinhead or white supremacist organization. Asians, Jews, Mexicans, and any non-congoloid ethnic group is welcome to unite. HUMANS vs NIGGGERS http://www.chimpout.com" target="_blank">http://www.chimpout.com 02:28:02 <Char> i woud say 02:28:07 <Char> humans vs Administrador 02:28:36 <AgentLeMan> well... it seems, no one cares..... 02:28:57 *** Administrador [~Administr@201.170.175.35] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. If you feel an error has been made, please contact support@oftc.net, thanks. (2008-11-24 02:28:57)] 02:29:07 <Char> rofl 02:29:13 <Char> "autokilled" 02:29:51 <AgentLeMan> oh... 02:29:58 <AgentLeMan> nifty... late. but, nifty 02:30:10 <AgentLeMan> tsk 02:30:48 <AgentLeMan> "the amount of intelligence on earth is limited. the amount of people not" seems again to be proven true. 02:32:58 <AgentLeMan> ah well, im off to bed then, have a nice day and/or night all :o) 02:34:51 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF48a4.baf.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 02:43:37 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:43:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:39 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:49:22 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:07:18 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229068043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:20 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:26 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:25:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:25:58 *** thomas001 [~thomas@p54B76BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:33:45 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:50:22 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-153.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:50:33 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-153.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 03:50:43 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-153.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:00:55 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 04:04:56 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-249-120.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:21 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:07:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:07:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:09:38 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:52 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 04:13:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:37 <George_> DaleStan: Info version 7 04:25:45 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d189.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:02 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d189.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 04:29:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:30:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:49:44 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 04:50:06 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm9.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:51:31 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:02:14 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|2 [MarwolTuk@p549ECD19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:02:17 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|2 is now known as MarwolTuk 05:07:54 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|1 [MarwolTuk@p549ED5B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:10:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:11:01 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm9.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:11:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:17:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:30:02 <DaleStan> George_: Then the reader isn't choking on that line. 0.9.10 doesn't support all extensions. There should be a later one in the grfcodec thread. 05:33:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:53:10 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:53:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:53:13 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 05:53:17 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-14-153.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:06:38 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E339.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 06:11:52 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.238.242.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 06:28:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:28:46 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm9.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:44:53 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:47:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:52:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C5CF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:55:12 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:55:12 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:15 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:59:42 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:34:04 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF48a4.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:37:16 <AgentLeMan> morning :o) 07:37:16 *** Zorni [zorn@e177226137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:18 *** Zorn [zorn@e177227003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:47:01 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.238.242.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48:43 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:32 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 08:25:01 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 08:25:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 08:25:11 <Celestar> \o 08:25:38 <AgentLeMan> ball on ramp? 08:25:47 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 08:25:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:26:24 <Celestar> AgentLeMan: no, a head and a waving hand :P 08:27:29 <AgentLeMan> oh, goodbye then, Celestar 08:27:32 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229165202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:27:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:28:20 * Celestar pokes AgentLeMan with a blunt spoon 08:29:53 <AgentLeMan> °sprawls apart in many bleeding gibs, which bounce away on the floor° 08:30:59 <Gekz> Fallout 3. 08:31:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:26 <Celestar> Star Trek VI :ÃP 08:31:46 <AgentLeMan> fallout 0 08:31:50 <AgentLeMan> (wasteland) 08:32:07 <Gekz> lol 08:32:10 <Gekz> wasteland sucked. 08:32:16 <Gekz> based on what I've read, it was boring 08:32:19 <Gekz> 8bit games were not awesome 08:32:26 <Gekz> no matter how much anyone would like to believe it 08:32:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 08:32:49 *** vraa [~vraa@h202.74.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:32:58 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 08:33:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [] 08:34:05 <AgentLeMan> ah, yes 08:34:14 <AgentLeMan> we are of all stupid people with no taste 08:35:46 <petern> hmm? 08:36:14 <Gekz> AgentLeMan: openttd isn't 8bit. 08:36:15 <Gekz> lolk 08:36:29 <AgentLeMan> °rolls eyes° 08:36:42 <Gekz> if you're going to emote, do it right. 08:36:49 <Gekz> openttd isn't 8bit. 08:36:56 <AgentLeMan> °doublerolls eyes° 08:37:06 <Gekz> You're a silly frenchman aren't you 08:37:07 <Gekz> :/ 08:38:48 <petern> some "8 bit" games definitely were awesome 08:39:02 <Gekz> petern: define 08:40:37 <AgentLeMan> °laughs° 08:41:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:41:59 <Gekz> petern: seriously, you cant say that without saying a game that is 8bit and awesome 08:42:33 <petern> elite 08:42:38 <petern> repton :D 08:42:46 <petern> simcity 08:43:26 <Gekz> elite wasnt good on 8bit 08:43:29 <Gekz> it was terrible 08:44:01 <Gekz> the Amiga version was good though 08:44:01 <AgentLeMan> °deletes all his c64 stuff,m because hes now judged as uncool and worthless° 08:44:12 <Gekz> c64 is unworthy. 08:44:26 <AgentLeMan> yes, master. 08:44:31 <Gekz> damn straight. 08:45:16 <Gekz> <3 Baldurs Gate 08:45:47 <petern> firetrack was awesome :D 08:45:48 <petern> shit 08:45:54 <petern> gonna be late for work now :( 08:46:06 <AgentLeMan> still an unstressy day to you then, pter 08:46:08 <AgentLeMan> +e 08:46:13 <Patrick> bubble bobble on the c64 08:46:20 <AgentLeMan> patrick, YAY 08:46:22 <AgentLeMan> :o)) 08:46:31 <Patrick> took me like fucking 12 years to beat it 08:46:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:48:43 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:49:21 <Celestar> hm .. 08:49:34 <Celestar> I find it interesting how little time a stopover in an ICE3 costs 08:49:42 <Celestar> on a 300km/h Track 08:50:12 <mrfrenzy> well, they have many doors ;) 08:50:48 <planetmaker> morning 08:51:09 <AgentLeMan> Patrick, i liked elite as copilot, not so much stress with thargoids, just well, my boss, the pilot (played it with a firend in coop) at some day freaked out, because i was too triggerhappy on the e-bombs 08:51:14 <AgentLeMan> morning planetmaker 08:52:57 <Celestar> morning planetmaker 08:53:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:53:44 <planetmaker> :) I hope you all had a nice weekend - just like me 08:53:57 <planetmaker> .uhh... it's snowing... again 08:54:26 <planetmaker> So I guess I was lucky I took the train yesterday :) 08:54:35 <planetmaker> even though I arrived 2 hours late... 08:54:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 08:55:06 <planetmaker> all those broken ICE3 are a real pain... :S 08:55:36 <planetmaker> ICE xy is canceled. Replacement IC ab is 30 minutes late... 08:56:15 <planetmaker> Next announcement then was "Regionalbahn 22355 is 25 minutes late due to engine damage"... haha... 08:58:55 <AgentLeMan> did you informed the stationofficer, their serviceintervals may have been set to % instead of days? 09:00:52 <planetmaker> :D would probably been have good ;) 09:01:11 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:01:32 <planetmaker> at least they were surprisingly friendly. 09:02:13 <AgentLeMan> i love how they sometimes jooke around when making the next station or the end of the trip known via the interkom 09:03:30 <Celestar> planetmaker: the broken ones are the ICE-T 09:04:00 <planetmaker> ok, maybe those. I'm not sure what kind of ICE travels between Munich and Berlin :) 09:04:12 <Celestar> ICE-T 09:04:16 <Celestar> used them 09:04:16 <Celestar> (= 09:04:17 <planetmaker> :) 09:04:35 <Celestar> I really need to decide whether to try the TGV from Munich to Paris or not 09:04:39 <planetmaker> I would have yesterday, too, but... alas. 09:04:48 <planetmaker> but sure I did when I still lived in Jena :) 09:05:04 <Celestar> Jena Paradies :D 09:05:11 <planetmaker> hehe. Yeah :) 09:05:20 <planetmaker> In summer it's actually quite nice there. 09:05:25 <planetmaker> Kind of city park. 09:05:39 <planetmaker> nice place for BBQ 09:05:45 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d189.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:49 <Celestar> I quite agree 09:06:02 <Celestar> had friends in Lobeda 09:06:22 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d189.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:07:08 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-183.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:09:30 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 09:10:00 <planetmaker> :) 09:10:30 <planetmaker> if it is Lobeda - that's a nice place. If it's Lobeda West or Lobeda Ost ... they're not the nicest place on Earth. But cheap flats out there... 09:16:04 <Celestar> West 09:16:04 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d189.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:28 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d189.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:18:23 <Celestar> and no, it's not a nice place :P 09:18:33 <Celestar> hence they moved away 09:19:09 <Celestar> SpaceX did they first full-length test firing of the Falcon 9 LV \o/ 09:20:34 <appe> you have way to many trains when a 1024x256 lags. 09:20:35 <appe> :< 09:20:44 <Gekz> lolo 09:20:47 <Gekz> too* 09:21:08 <planetmaker> he, that news about SpaceX sounds good :) 09:21:16 <Celestar> yes 09:21:29 <Celestar> million 10 ton launcher 09:21:31 <Celestar> man rated 09:21:38 <Celestar> engine-out capability on the first stage 09:21:47 <Celestar> reusable first stage 09:21:56 <planetmaker> hehe. Man-rated is to be seen, I'd say ;) 09:22:15 <Celestar> man-rating is a design process 09:22:18 <planetmaker> what's the exact definition of that term actually? 09:22:29 <Celestar> I'm not quite sure about the requirements 09:22:33 <appe> "man-rating"? 09:22:34 <Celestar> the ATV is man-rated for example 09:22:39 <Celestar> the Ariane 5 is man-ratable 09:22:55 <Celestar> appe: man-rating means a space vehicle is suitable and certified for carrying human beings 09:23:00 <appe> aha 09:23:17 <appe> i thought it was a measure of cost*weight 09:23:27 <appe> manly man man vehichle. 09:23:29 <appe> :D 09:23:32 <Celestar> :P 09:24:01 <planetmaker> hm... thx. Me goes looking at wiki... 09:24:09 <Celestar> planetmaker: about ? 09:24:10 <thingwath> human being is, say, 100 kg, that is not so much, isn't it? 09:24:21 <Celestar> no it's not 09:24:30 <Celestar> but most human beings need life support :P 09:24:54 <appe> life support weighs in a bit more then the actual weight of the human 09:25:13 <Celestar> plus consumables 09:25:16 <Celestar> about 1kg per man-day 09:25:16 <planetmaker> about "man rated". But wiki doesn't know more than you expressed in that one line ;) 09:25:36 <Celestar> it is unfortunately a very diffuse term 09:25:55 <Celestar> however, the Falcon 9 is designed to carry a crew of 7 to the ISS and similar orbits 09:26:32 <AgentLeMan> hi appe, and yes, too many trains ;o) 09:26:48 <appe> AgentLeMan: morning. 09:28:09 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:28:13 <Celestar> planetmaker: earlier this year, SpaceX became the first company to launch a privately funded and developed liquid fuel rocket to Orbit 09:28:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:25 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:28:54 <planetmaker> was it them who won the X-price? 09:29:03 <Celestar> nope, they came much later. 09:29:15 <Celestar> but they won a 280-million dollar COTS contract by NASA 09:29:27 <planetmaker> :) ah... I remember reading that. 09:29:34 <appe> i wish my rockets would go to orbit one day 09:29:35 <Celestar> if everything goes well, they'll resupply the ISS from 2011 on. 09:29:44 <planetmaker> new infrastructure for OpenTTD: spaceport 09:30:03 <planetmaker> accepts: goods, food, oil (or plastics and fuel oil) 09:30:18 <Celestar> ACTUALLY Denver international airport was designed with a spaceport in mind :P 09:30:20 <planetmaker> also: tourists :) 09:30:36 <Celestar> hence its enourmous size 09:30:39 <Celestar> enormous* 09:30:45 <planetmaker> availability: within 50 tiles of a town of >30k 09:31:02 <planetmaker> and date > 1970 09:31:25 <Celestar> I still refuse to accept the german word of "Weltraumbahnhof" :P 09:31:48 <planetmaker> why? It's a nice and appropriate term, isn't it? 09:31:52 <Celestar> Raumhafen 09:32:01 <planetmaker> well... yes. Probably better :) 09:32:12 <Celestar> because it more works like a port than a station 09:32:19 <dihedral> # pm: get to work :-P 09:32:19 <dihedral> bash: pm:: command not found 09:32:19 <appe> how do i make a scenario editor map in 2048x2048? 09:32:21 <planetmaker> yup, I agree. 09:32:26 <Celestar> it's Flughafen, not Luftbahnhof :P 09:32:33 <planetmaker> dihedral: hehe ;) 09:33:03 <DASPRiD> dihedriert :) 09:33:16 <appe> when pressing the scenario editor button, it directly takes me to a 1024x256 map 09:33:20 <AgentLeMan> yip, "weltraum" somehow smells ugly 09:34:00 <thingwath> I like "kosmodrom", you can't beat that with some port or station :o) 09:34:11 * appe doesnt understand 09:34:31 <appe> ah 09:34:33 <appe> fixed it 09:34:35 <planetmaker> moin DASPRiD 09:34:42 <DASPRiD> moin pm 09:34:50 <DASPRiD> <3 09:38:21 <DASPRiD> Celestar, "weltraumbahnhof" o.0 09:42:14 <appe> bah 09:42:25 <appe> i need to make myself a better de-limer for the espresso machines 09:44:09 <appe> i just found a bug! 09:44:32 <AgentLeMan> in your coffee? 09:45:03 <appe> when starting up a scenario editor á 1024x1024, i wanted to create "many random industries". when pressing the button at the same time as i held ctrl down (by accident) closed the program. 09:45:15 <appe> bug or not, it sure isnt any vista function. 09:45:16 <appe> :> 09:45:18 <AgentLeMan> and yes, found bugs mostly sit on a chair in front of the pc ;o) 09:45:23 <appe> hehe 09:46:40 <appe> if i ever find a bug in my precious espresso machine. 09:46:42 <DASPRiD> AgentLeMan, huge bugs :x 09:46:49 <DASPRiD> i bet your watched too much starship troopers 09:48:02 <AgentLeMan> °grins° nah, i hate it when the nice gals die 09:48:16 <AgentLeMan> adn them were darn nice 09:50:23 <AgentLeMan> appe? 09:50:52 <AgentLeMan> as you clicked there with CTRL... 09:51:01 <AgentLeMan> did you got the "town required" error?= 09:51:23 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-188.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:51:51 <Patrick> they were darn nice 09:51:54 <AgentLeMan> on win 32 and latest nightly, without a town it works, you get that error. with a town, you get as expected "many industries" 09:51:55 <Patrick> but were they gosh-darned 09:52:12 <Patrick> ooh a bug a bug a bug 09:53:18 <AgentLeMan> "get that error" means you get the "town required"-errorwindow. sory for being unclear 10:26:58 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-183.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 10:38:33 <AgentLeMan> hmm, out of a caution : how do i move or delete an tortoise SVN-directorytree? im not getting a clear picture out of the helpfile 10:38:46 <AgentLeMan> a local one i mean, the one i use for compiling 10:41:16 <appe> holy moly 10:41:20 <appe> it was a vista function 10:41:21 <appe> :D 10:41:27 <AgentLeMan> °laughs° 10:41:31 <AgentLeMan> nifty? 10:42:24 <AgentLeMan> hm 10:42:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:50:10 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:50:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:13 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:56:12 <appe> (last year: ,564,552) 10:56:20 <appe> longest train ive ever built. :> 10:56:25 <AgentLeMan> °breaths° 10:57:23 <FauxFaux> You're probably playing with inflation on, though, so that's entirely meaningless. :p 10:57:41 <appe> inflation is off. 10:57:43 <appe> :( 10:58:07 <FauxFaux> \o/ 10:58:49 <mrfrenzy> for some insane income figures you should try long maglevs running pax and valuables ;) 11:01:00 <appe> pax? 11:01:02 <appe> AH 11:01:05 <appe> this is coal. 11:03:32 <mrfrenzy> well coal is great to get starting income, but once you can afford to build bigger networks, there are much more profitable cargo 11:03:45 <mrfrenzy> as always, check the graph ,) 11:20:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14617 /trunk/src/ (strgen/strgen.cpp strgen/strgen.h strings.cpp): -Change: unduplicate the languagepack(header). 11:26:48 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:01 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:03 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:32:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:53 <Gekz> I need cheap dedicated hosting 11:36:16 <Qball> I need 10 million dollar 11:36:35 <AgentLeMan> 127.0.0.1 is cheap hosting 11:38:44 * Celestar has dedicated hosting for about 50 EUR a month 11:38:56 * Qball has donated hosting 11:44:11 <FauxFaux> Why dedicated and not VM? 11:44:38 <mrfrenzy> because of the price/performance 11:45:07 <FauxFaux> Obviously we have differing definitons of "cheap". 11:46:22 <petern> when everyone gets their electricity bills, dedicated hosting costs will go :p 11:46:26 <petern> er 11:46:27 <petern> up :p 11:48:10 <Gekz> I'd host it from home 11:48:18 <Gekz> except I dont have a persistent connection 11:48:24 <Gekz> and I have crappy speeds 11:48:29 <Gekz> and 50 EUR is too steep for me 11:48:44 <Gekz> I have an inferior currency 11:49:14 <petern> an average server costs around â¬35 a month in power 11:50:04 <Gekz> your power is expensive >_> 11:50:13 <Gekz> ours costs about half that 11:53:18 <tokai> try some less power consuming hardware:) 11:53:34 <tokai> usually home servers don't have to be some power++ monster machines;) 11:53:48 <Gekz> I just need a consumer machine hosted somewhere else 11:53:50 <Gekz> that's all I ask 11:53:51 <Gekz> -.- 11:53:54 <Gekz> is it too much? 11:54:02 <Gekz> I swear I want to start a socialist union of technology 11:54:10 <Gekz> where everything is run at cost. 11:55:16 <petern> won't work 11:55:59 <Gekz> why not 11:56:56 <petern> people won't do anything if there's no profit in it 11:57:30 <Gekz> not true. 11:57:42 <Gekz> if it feeds their family, many people are content. 12:00:04 <appe> one will say 12:00:16 <appe> one is very pleased about buying a kilogram of brie cheese. 12:00:41 <Gekz> 1KG? 12:00:46 <Gekz> Share. 12:00:47 <appe> yep. 12:01:03 <appe> it comes so cheap, therefor a kilo was bought to the friday meal 12:01:08 <appe> wich was delicious. 12:01:13 <Gekz> lol 12:01:17 <appe> and all the breakfeasts after that. 12:01:18 <appe> :D 12:02:05 * appe grabs a loaf of greek bread and smashes on a giant slice of cheese 12:02:27 <AgentLeMan> if it feeds their family, = profit 12:02:27 <Gekz> you are french 12:02:37 <appe> i am? :< 12:02:41 <Gekz> appe: surely 12:02:41 <AgentLeMan> yip 12:02:44 <AgentLeMan> we allll are 12:02:52 <AgentLeMan> he says it, so it must be true 12:02:59 <appe> i would like to be 12:03:05 <Gekz> I wish Australia was colonised by france 12:03:09 <Gekz> and not england 12:03:13 <Gekz> but didnt have french law 12:03:21 <appe> et je le parle couramment 12:03:23 <appe> :> 12:04:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230133033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:05:01 <Gekz> un peu 12:05:18 <Zahl> slt 12:05:32 <Celestar> heh. 12:05:47 <Celestar> next week, I might have the chance to directly compare the TGV to the ICE :D 12:06:38 <Gekz> lol 12:06:38 <Zahl> ice is more comfy, but tgv goest faster :) 12:06:56 <Gekz> you've never tried public transport until you've used CityRail 12:07:26 <Zahl> i heard some bad things about it 12:10:27 <Gekz> lol 12:10:31 <Gekz> I nearly got arrested 12:10:36 <Gekz> for riding without a ticker 12:10:38 <Gekz> ticket* as a student 12:10:55 <Gekz> they refused to give me one at the beginning of the year on the grounds that "a bus passes your house once every 12 hours" 12:11:43 <AgentLeMan> °sighs° so many chances, yet unused. 12:14:03 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:14:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:06 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:18:03 <petern> ah, my leccy bill 12:18:15 <petern> 72 days, 825 kWh 12:18:20 <Gekz> lol. 12:18:21 <appe> :o 12:18:23 <Gekz> feck 12:18:36 <petern> so... 11 kWh a day? :o 12:19:30 <Doorslammer> Is that why they built that coal-fired power station behind your house? 12:20:02 <appe> yes, pretty much. 12:20:19 <petern> one of our data centre bills is for 5500 kWh in a month 12:20:53 <appe> (72*24=)1728*825 12:20:54 <appe> :> 12:21:06 <appe> petern: holy christ 12:21:11 <petern> appe, no 12:21:18 <petern> 825 / 72 / 24 12:21:45 <appe> oh 12:21:52 <appe> kwh=W*H 12:22:10 <appe> ajh 12:22:11 <appe> ah 12:22:12 <appe> yes 12:22:12 <appe> :D 12:22:14 <appe> excuse me 12:22:19 <appe> ill return to cleaning the apart. 12:22:27 * Zahl excuses appe 12:22:51 <petern> :) 12:23:03 <appe> a 200W pc uses 1kwh per five hours 12:23:09 <petern> yeah 12:23:09 <appe> your server is a bit louder then that. 12:23:10 <appe> :e 12:23:21 <petern> oh, well, that's my whole house :p 12:23:30 <petern> and there are no servers in there 12:24:34 <Zahl> living in a dorm where you don't have to pay for gas/water/power ftw \o/ 12:24:44 <appe> <@petern> one of our data centre bills is for 5500 kWh in a month 12:24:45 <appe> ahaa 12:24:47 <appe> data centre 12:25:02 <appe> i read that as one pc 12:25:03 <appe> :<< 12:25:04 <petern> appe, a bill from the data centre, not for a whole data centre :) 12:25:12 <petern> it's only 5 racks worth in there 12:26:02 <appe> o 12:26:29 <appe> so: hours of the month = 720. 5500/720? 12:26:35 <appe> i still suck balls at math. :( 12:26:53 <appe> ohno 12:26:54 <petern> yeah 12:27:13 <petern> about 7.6 kW 12:27:22 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:27:26 <appe> for five racks? 12:27:30 <petern> yeah 12:27:31 <appe> neato. 12:27:36 <petern> that's not that bad 12:27:57 * appe is a p3 733MHz and doesnt really get in to 100. 12:27:57 <appe> top 100* 12:28:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:28:24 <appe> i was actually suprised when i measured it, and discoverd that it never jumps over 65W 12:29:02 <petern> hmm, actually 12:29:13 <petern> we get 1kW per rack inclusive 12:29:34 <petern> so it's 12.6 kW 12:29:50 <petern> 2.5 kW per rack, that's more like it 12:30:24 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:21 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-188.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 12:35:03 <petern> also 12:35:12 <petern> why do they have to use two-tier pricing :o 12:35:48 <petern> it's not like it's accurate :o 12:39:03 <petern> hmm, i wonder if i can replace a solenoid flow valve with a motorised one... 12:43:19 *** maka [~maka@domino.customer.bit.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:19 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:36 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:47:17 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28DCE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:06 <Celestar> :o a new dwarf planet has been found in our own solar system 12:53:58 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:54:03 *** Mark is now known as M4rk 12:54:08 <petern> pluto! 12:54:21 <Gekz> lol 12:54:28 <Gekz> petern: you made me chuckle 12:59:01 <AgentLeMan> Celestar, vanity fair has found secret photos of Oprah Winfrey, before her diet? 12:59:35 *** Char [~Ich@d83-176-57-75.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 12:59:48 *** Char [~Ich@d83-176-57-75.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [] 13:01:52 <Celestar> pfft 13:04:11 <Celestar> who the fuck cares about pseudo-celebrities and their morbid affairs? 13:04:56 <AgentLeMan> uhm... i conclude, you didnt made the connection to "new dwarf planet found" 13:05:19 <Celestar> I see a failed attempt at a connection :P 13:05:38 <AgentLeMan> her bum... 13:05:55 <AgentLeMan> anyways, too late now 13:06:19 <Celestar> well, I haven't seen her in years, so the planetary discriminant of her bum is unknown to me :P 13:06:57 <AgentLeMan> i wouldnt even klnow, if shes still alive. 13:07:13 <Celestar> heh .. welcome to the club 13:07:16 <Celestar> s/know/care 13:08:06 <AgentLeMan> °tries to decode Celestar° 13:08:27 <Celestar> regexp ... 13:08:36 <planetmaker> the preferred language for that is probably brainfuck... ;) 13:08:45 <Celestar> O_o 13:08:53 <SpComb> no regexps in brainfuck 13:08:59 <planetmaker> ... or are you easily decryptable, Celestar ? :) 13:09:05 * Celestar wags finger at planetmaker :D 13:09:09 <planetmaker> I hope for you not :) 13:09:23 <planetmaker> static ip... you should get it resolved ;) 13:09:34 <Celestar> I'm LGPL v3 :P 13:09:39 <planetmaker> :P 13:09:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.161] has joined #openttd 13:09:57 <planetmaker> that's nice. I may clone you and sell those for money :) 13:10:08 <Celestar> planetmaker: our new admins managed to mess up my DNS server 13:10:15 <planetmaker> :S 13:10:47 <Celestar> who would want to purchase clones of me? openttd players to code their wanted features? 13:10:51 <planetmaker> but sure that's good (for them): it demonstrates their usefulness and makes their job indispensible :P 13:11:03 <planetmaker> Celestar: sure, why not? 13:11:19 <Celestar> family members who would like to see more of me ... 13:11:27 <blathijs> I guess it would be cheaper and more effective to just pay Celestar for OpenTTD coding :-) 13:11:34 <blathijs> Or any other dev, for that matter :-p 13:11:40 <planetmaker> you shouldn't mix your instances... it may lead to ressource conflicts... 13:11:43 <Celestar> blathijs: that depends on the amount of clones, doesn't it? 13:12:54 <blathijs> :-) 13:14:56 * Celestar guesses planetmaker has a business case 13:15:15 <planetmaker> :) 13:15:32 <appe> i just realized something 13:15:33 <planetmaker> now I just need some millions to get the startup going :P 13:15:39 <appe> i have the greatest business deal ever. 13:15:56 <appe> hiring myself out as a mcdonalds hamburger driver. 13:16:15 <appe> i take a buck for every time i get burgers to peoples homes 13:16:28 <appe> and by statistics it should be profitable 13:16:33 <appe> really, really profitable. 13:16:34 <appe> :D 13:16:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:20:33 <planetmaker> eh... ? Sure about that, appe ? Count me out as your customer :) 13:22:28 <AgentLeMan> at the latest, you would go bancrupt, the day MCD invents an "all you can eat" day, so your running costs (fuel, used car, seatcleaner-agent) increase more than you can make profit from the 1 $ / burger-scheme 13:23:04 <maka> maybe you can make a tryout in ttd :] 13:23:13 <AgentLeMan> hmmm 13:24:11 <AgentLeMan> maka, how did you know, i was just trying to set up a business, where i supply pax-transport to a 5000-people city with just some ( 50+) volkswagen beetle? 13:24:54 <maka> hehe :D 13:26:05 <AgentLeMan> now though im trying to find out, why the aviators planeset always has pink colorerrors when i use it :o( 13:28:19 <AgentLeMan> oh... that happens, if one ( not you, appe ) uses the windows palette oO 13:33:03 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-88.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:35:38 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 13:38:58 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:32 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:41:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:43:03 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 13:51:13 * Celestar shakes his head in utter disbeleif 13:51:19 <Celestar> disbelief* 13:52:04 <Celestar> they're releasing a terrorist and murderer from prison 13:52:13 <Gekz> where. 13:52:16 <Celestar> Germany. 13:52:30 <mrfrenzy> how long has he been in there? 13:52:51 <Celestar> 26 years 13:53:11 <Gekz> he's already dead. 13:53:28 <mrfrenzy> isn't that punishment enough then? 13:53:52 * planetmaker nods 13:54:12 <Celestar> for someone who hasn't even apologized for his murders? never. 13:54:24 <mrfrenzy> hopefully they have treated whatever psycological problems he had before letting him out 13:54:42 <Celestar> he didn't have any psycho problems. 13:54:47 <Celestar> he is a terrorist. 13:54:52 <Gekz> leave him in there. 13:55:12 <Rubidium> so if he would have said: "I'm sorry" it is okay to release him? Is that really a measure? 13:55:48 * Celestar thinks remorse is the most basic requirement for release someone from prison prematurely 13:55:56 <Gekz> yep 13:55:59 <Gekz> it should be 13:56:06 <Gekz> non-parole for no remorse 13:56:22 <Rubidium> but you can't tell whether someone actually means what (s)he says 13:56:27 <Gekz> so? 13:56:30 <Belugas> "No Remorse, No regret, We don't care, what a mess" 13:56:30 <Celestar> so basically, for each murder he commited, he got less than 3 years. 13:56:37 <Gekz> those that are adamant that they dont care can stay in 13:56:56 <AgentLeMan> °waves° 13:57:30 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF48a4.baf.pppool.de] has quit [] 13:59:24 <Rubidium> so they do in volume rebates? 13:59:30 <Celestar> Rubidium: yes, they do 13:59:54 <Celestar> the more people you kill, they cheaper you get it .. 14:00:23 <petern> Celestar, they do tend to release people after their terms are up 14:00:28 <Rubidium> don't forget to get drunk, then you get a massive rebate too 14:00:32 <petern> apologies don't come into it 14:00:38 <petern> however 14:00:41 <petern> i have just merged railtypes 14:00:47 * petern ponders actually merging it some day 14:01:18 <Celestar> petern: he got five times Life Imprisonment. 14:01:53 <petern> concurrent? heh 14:03:22 <Celestar> :P 14:04:49 <planetmaker> [14:58] * Celestar thinks remorse is the most basic requirement for release someone from prison prematurely <--- doesn't really help. It's easy to fake... 14:05:07 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:00 <planetmaker> more important IMO is "will the person do it again". Which psychologist say in this case "won't" 14:06:48 <planetmaker> petern: go, go. MOOORE FEATURES :) 14:07:34 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:39 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 14:09:55 <Celestar> planetmaker: I "do not sure your optimistic appraisal of the situation" 14:09:59 <Celestar> s/sure/share 14:10:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB11.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:22 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:34 <planetmaker> Celestar: I'm not a psychologist. I didn't write the reports. 14:11:17 * DASPRiD waves at pm 14:11:22 * planetmaker waves back 14:11:30 * DASPRiD waves back again 14:11:40 <Celestar> planetmaker: if a phsychologist can find out whether he'll do it again, he can find out whether the remore is faked or not 14:11:51 <planetmaker> Celestar: probably :) 14:11:56 <Celestar> it's even easier since it involves no guessing the future 14:13:37 <planetmaker> but I think that's less important than a probability to do it again. 14:13:53 <Celestar> heh. I think both are mandatory 14:18:46 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 14:20:00 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:20:04 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 14:20:16 <Celestar> heh. 14:20:20 <Celestar> glaciers on Mars 14:20:46 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:23:36 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:48 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:43:05 <Sacro> http://lbrandy.com/blog/2008/11/the-hardest-test-i-ever-gave-c/ have fun chaps 14:49:06 *** maka [~maka@domino.customer.bit.nl] has quit [] 14:54:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.195.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:57 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-92.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:58:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> "what is the value of the expression '5//3'" <- that's evil :p 14:59:26 <Rubidium> yup, that people don't see that ;) 15:00:15 <Rubidium> the last bonus question's also evil, but so dead simple 15:03:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's like the tests that say "to pass this test, you only have to answer the last question" :p 15:08:26 <planetmaker> [16:01] <Eddi|zuHause2> "what is the value of the expression '5//3'" <- that's evil :p <--- what is it, asks pm, the uninitiated... 15:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> 5 is an expression, and //3 is a comment ;) 15:08:55 <planetmaker> autsch! yes, sure. 15:09:11 <yorick> that's pure evil! 15:13:39 <yorick> "(34 > 19)" :o 15:13:55 <yorick> true 15:14:39 *** MaxxJuggs [~jukka.mak@86-60-207-11-Dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:14:53 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-217.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think 5 is the only question with educational value 15:15:54 <MaxxJuggs> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31657&start=220 <--- has anyone downloaded and installed this patch? 15:17:20 <MaxxJuggs> I downloaded that .zip file yesterday and extracted it in my openttd folder overwriting "openttd.exe" and one file in lang directory. after that the game won't start. do I need some other programs to install that patch correctly? 15:18:02 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-88.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> the files in the data-directory, too 15:19:23 <MaxxJuggs> hmm. what files? 15:19:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> and if you only overwrite english.lng, you can't use any languages other than english 15:19:47 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-126.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:20:13 <MaxxJuggs> but is that the correct way to install that patch? just extract that .zip file in to the folder? 15:20:37 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:22:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, but you need the correct base version, you cannot just overwrite 0.6.3 files, you need the appropriate nightly files 15:23:07 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:23:25 <MaxxJuggs> hmm. where I can get those files? for 0.6.3 version I mean? 15:23:34 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8A6D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can't 15:24:05 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:24:08 <MaxxJuggs> oh? :) 15:24:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you can only overwrite the files which have the same revision as the patched binary 15:26:08 <MaxxJuggs> ok. what should I do to get this patch to work? download another version or what? the game speed is way too fast currently with new machines 15:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to go to the nightly archive and download a nightly around r14293 15:26:45 <Rubidium> the game doesn't run faster when you computer gets faster 15:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes it does, the game was waaaay slower with 80 trains on my 386 DX-25 :p 15:27:37 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 15:27:52 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-126.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:53 <MaxxJuggs> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-trunk <--- I guess it's not that one? 15:28:20 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-88.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you need the archives for old nightlies 15:29:02 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-67-50.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 15:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r14290 <- like this one 15:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> extract that over your 0.6.3 build, and then extract the patched binary over this one 15:31:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.244] has joined #openttd 15:31:20 <MaxxJuggs> do I have to download all those files or only that 3,7 megabytes file? 15:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause> only the one that says "win32" 15:31:48 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, doesn't have one 15:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> bad luck 15:32:26 <MaxxJuggs> :( 15:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but you should only need the files in data/ from the archive, it should be fine 15:33:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:33:55 <MaxxJuggs> there ain't no data folder inside ot that 3,7 megabytes .zip file 15:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> bin/data 15:34:21 <MaxxJuggs> aaah 15:34:22 <MaxxJuggs> ok 15:35:44 <MaxxJuggs> so I should now copy the contents of that bin/data folder to my 0.6.3 data folder and then apply that day lenght patch? 15:36:32 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-88.40.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:37:37 <MaxxJuggs> hmm. i guess it's not good to overwrite that lang file because I want the text to be Finnish? :) 15:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you could also find a strgen.exe [should be _somewhere_ on the forum] and compile finnish.txt from that archive 15:38:28 <gynter> hmm 15:38:36 <gynter> 1,5 meters of snow... good 15:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause> we have 3cm or so 15:40:14 <MaxxJuggs> hmm. I guess it didn't work. day goes by at around 2-3 seconds in the game :S 15:40:35 <gynter> heh 15:41:06 <gynter> from yesterday night till today morning about 2/3 of my county was without electricity 15:41:44 <gynter> (including me) :P moved to granny until power recovers 15:46:50 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:48:13 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:51:26 <MaxxJuggs> is there any other way to make the game go slower than applying that day lenght patch? 15:52:28 <gynter> there is a day lenght patch ? 15:52:38 <gynter> hmm, I wanna make 12h = 1 yr 15:53:32 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:53:41 <MaxxJuggs> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=31657&start=220 15:54:19 <Eddi|zuHause> MaxxJuggs: you need to change the daylength settigns in the advanced options 15:54:32 <MaxxJuggs> in the game? 15:55:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, in the game 15:56:23 <MaxxJuggs> I cannot find that option 15:56:39 <MaxxJuggs> I freshly installed the 0.6.3 version and the newest nightlies 15:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> advanced settings, under economy tab, when you reapplied the daylength patch 15:57:26 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-217.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (might still be called "patch settings" in that old patched exe) 16:00:22 <MaxxJuggs> yeah. now I got it to work 16:00:26 <MaxxJuggs> it was pretty easy after all 16:00:57 <MaxxJuggs> first install the 0.6.3 version, then install newest nightlies and finally the day lenght patch 16:01:06 *** Jango [~daniel@78-86-166-80.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:01:46 <Jango> Celestar, am i doing something stupid - when i compile cargodest and try to run it, I get a no available language packs error 16:02:04 <Jango> but there are language files in bin/lang 16:02:55 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe version mismatch? 16:03:53 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 16:04:35 <MaxxJuggs> when the day lenght setting is at maximum one day takes about 1min10sec 16:04:40 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause> now go calculating what's 2s*32 in minutes ;) 16:05:39 <MaxxJuggs> yeah I know :) 16:05:48 <MaxxJuggs> I just wanted to mention that ;D 16:06:02 <MaxxJuggs> it's been about 15 years since I last played this game :) 16:06:35 <MaxxJuggs> now it's time to start enjoying it again. thanks for help Eddi|zuHause :) 16:10:12 <Celestar> back 16:10:21 <Celestar> Jango: er .. how did you check it out? 16:10:31 <Jango> from nightly 16:10:43 <Jango> grabbed source tarball 16:11:12 <Celestar> hm .. 16:11:37 <Celestar> the source tree works for me 16:11:56 <planetmaker> Jango: consider getting subversion or mercurial 16:12:07 <Jango> well, i've got svn 16:12:12 <Jango> just installing hg now 16:12:34 <Celestar> good 16:12:39 <Celestar> I've just merged from trunk (= 16:13:08 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8A6D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:13:23 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 16:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> how dare you! you ought to merge TO trunk! :) 16:13:57 <Celestar> I *guess* Rubidium will be pissed if I merge cargodest into trunk now :P 16:14:33 <planetmaker> :P 16:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> he surely can't beat Tron at that :p 16:15:00 <planetmaker> was Tron a bit... short-tempered? 16:15:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure the history of the bridge branch was documented somewhere ;) 16:15:40 <Rubidium> Celestar: yes, I would get pissed 16:15:53 <petern> get drunk! 16:16:21 <Rubidium> but foremostly because you would then make my trunk savegame unloadable 16:17:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:18:38 <petern> unloadable? 16:19:22 <Celestar> Rubidium: nope, not anymore afaik 16:19:49 <Rubidium> petern: the "Broken savegame - Invalid chunk size" kind of unloadable 16:20:12 <Rubidium> Celestar: then push whatever you've fixed in the last 9 minutes 16:20:17 <petern> ah, broken the golden rule again? 16:22:48 <Celestar> er .. oh :P 16:23:05 <Celestar> so where is it broken O_o 16:23:35 <Rubidium> trunk's version 103 and cargop's version 103 16:23:39 <Jango> ok, now this is working 16:24:14 <Celestar> heh. 16:24:20 <Celestar> I seem to have missed some SL revision bump ^^ 16:24:59 <Celestar> but I'm heading out 16:25:01 <Celestar> cu later 16:25:02 <Celestar> :D 16:25:03 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:25:14 <petern> i could merge rail types but it's still a bit WIP 16:25:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater59.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 16:25:20 <petern> especially tunnels 16:27:54 <appe> extreme home makeover may be over nationalistic and such 16:27:57 <appe> but damn, they can build. 16:28:03 <Eddi|zuHause> different tunnel types, similar to bridge types, would be cool 16:28:06 <appe> 53 hours to build an entire house. 16:28:09 <appe> christ 16:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what "extreme ome makeover" is 16:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but a house built from predesigned plates is easily put up within 3 days 16:29:40 <Rubidium> you mean they usually build houses without designing them first? As it takes almost a year here... 16:32:58 <appe> building it from scratch is way cool. but this is for people who doesnt have anything. and building the house (with no pre-fab walls or such) in that time is rather heavy. 16:33:14 <appe> although, they are over 150-200 people that works 'round the clock. 16:38:29 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-92.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> building a (probably rather small) house in 10000man-hours is not a big problem either 16:39:58 <appe> at the same time? 16:39:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.244] has joined #openttd 16:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> not all problems can be solved faster by throwing more people at it, but construction work certainly is 16:40:42 <appe> ajl say nevar. 16:41:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the question is, if they skip essential issues like hardening time for cement and stuff, will that house fall down after 1 year, 10 years, or 100 years 16:42:17 <appe> speed concrete may not be cheap, but it sure does the job. 16:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but who cares about 1 year later when you had a huge show effect... 16:42:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and building a house is definitely cheaper than producing one episode of heroes 16:43:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.244] has joined #openttd 16:44:15 <appe> one thing i have been thinking about 16:44:17 <appe> what about tax? 16:44:32 <appe> i guess americans pay extra tax on their house per square meter 16:45:58 <Eddi|zuHause> easy, just get a hypotheque on the house to pay the taxes :p 16:46:15 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 16:46:20 <appe> and the electrical bills. they go from a shed to a big lighted house with pools and plasma tvs 16:46:36 <appe> i bet that new fridge costs more kwh then the original house. :E 16:46:36 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host81-153-83-225.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:46:52 <appe> but then, i have no idea how big of a deal electrical prices are in the us. 16:49:39 *** MaxxJuggs [~jukka.mak@86-60-207-11-Dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [] 16:50:15 <petern> well they'd complain that they're expensive... 16:50:29 <petern> and they're probably about a 10th of everyone elses, heh 16:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well, america was built on the premise that land is cheap and energy is cheap 16:51:53 <appe> and thats still a bit wierd 16:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and both are continuously rising 16:53:52 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater59.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 17:04:12 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p54972CDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:04:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 17:11:12 *** appe [~huset@user84.77-105-204.netatonce.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:11:38 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:05 <benjamingoodger> good evening, gentlemen 17:18:26 <benjamingoodger> the government of the uk is chucking money at the problem now... 17:18:41 <Celestar> heh 17:18:50 <Celestar> problem? what problem? 17:19:19 <benjamingoodger> the recession 17:19:35 <benjamingoodger> we're to spend twenty billion pounds on tax cuts 17:19:38 <Celestar> (note: i was kindding) 17:19:43 <yorick> kidding* 17:19:43 <Jango> as long as they build nice shiny new transport stuff, i don't mind :) 17:19:44 <Celestar> kidding* 17:19:49 <benjamingoodger> ha! 17:19:52 <benjamingoodger> not bloody likely 17:19:59 <Celestar> Jango: YEY! Heathrow's 3rd runway \o/ 17:20:03 <Jango> w00t 17:20:03 <benjamingoodger> we haven't had any new trains since 2004 17:20:06 <Celestar> Ultraspeed 500 17:20:08 <Jango> and stansted's number 2 17:20:14 <Jango> and crossrail 17:20:19 <Jango> ownage 17:20:26 <Jango> bring on the recession :/ 17:20:29 <Celestar> runways are dirty cheap 17:20:50 <Jango> except when the UK builds, then it's a couple of bn each 17:21:01 <Celestar> buying up the houses on which to build it, that's expensive 17:21:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:30:28 <Celestar> stupid FAA 17:30:33 <Celestar> "WIE UNTIL UFN" 17:30:37 <Celestar> why two untils? 17:32:00 <Rubidium> maybe UNTIL has some meaning too 17:32:48 <Celestar> it's usually <FROM> UNTIL <TILL> 17:33:33 <Rubidium> probably because they didn't like FUN as abbreviation 17:33:38 <Celestar> like 14 NOV 08:00 2008 UNTIL 31 JAN 16:00 2009 17:33:44 <Celestar> FUN? 17:33:51 <Rubidium> FUrther Notice 17:34:43 <Celestar> :P 17:34:47 <Rubidium> *or* UFN means Ultimate Fight Night 17:34:53 <Celestar> haha 17:37:00 <benjamingoodger> understimulated fortuituously naturists 17:39:33 <benjamingoodger> underhandedly flippant newsreel 17:44:39 <Prof_Frink> Unidentified Flying Noodles. 17:49:34 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 18:05:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:07:39 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-34.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 18:08:51 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-67-50.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:55 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 18:20:04 <George_> DaleStan: Unfortunately I could find only 0.9.10 r1854e and it has the same error 18:20:29 <George_> Is there a newer version of grfcodec 18:20:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:20:37 <Wolf01> hello 18:21:08 <Wolf01> "<grmpff> Roads and stations in TTD (OTTD, TTDPatch, ...) are already built diagonally" LOL 18:21:18 <Ammler> George_: I have r2055 18:21:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:41 <George_> where did you download it? 18:21:49 <Ammler> svn 18:21:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:22:07 <George_> could you post a link? 18:23:20 <yorick> Wolf01: that's quite true 18:23:22 <Sacro> Wolf01: they are 18:23:34 <Wolf01> they are aligned to grid 18:23:43 <yorick> yes, grid has diagonal lines 18:23:50 <Wolf01> the grid is visually diagonal 18:23:54 <Ammler> George_: are you able to compile self? 18:24:06 <George_> Ammler: No 18:24:06 <yorick> Wolf01: yes, so the stations are visually diagonal 18:24:16 <yorick> and they are codewise 18:24:26 <Ammler> George_: and your OS is win? 18:24:36 <Wolf01> and with diagonal, people always mean diagonal to grid, not diagonal to see 18:24:37 <George_> Yes, win xp sp2 18:24:59 <yorick> Wolf01: nope? 18:25:16 <yorick> the stupid people do 18:25:31 <Wolf01> thank you 18:25:32 <Wolf01> :) 18:26:48 <yorick> np 18:27:58 <Belugas> yorick starts to learn about stupid people :D 18:28:01 * Belugas dances of joy! 18:29:23 <Ammler> George_: sorry then, I have no dev environment on windows.... 18:29:45 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet532.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:29:49 <George_> Belugas, may be you can help? 18:30:16 <yorick> what's the problem? 18:30:37 <yorick> oh 18:30:37 <George_> To compile GRFCodec for win 32 18:30:44 <yorick> no, I can't compile grfcodec 18:31:15 <George_> I need r2055 and have only r1854 18:31:16 <Ammler> yorick: just run "make grfcodec" ;-) 18:31:30 <Ammler> George_: I am not sure, your problem is solved with it. 18:31:50 <George_> Well, I'll at least try 18:31:57 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:24 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:34 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:41 *** yorick is now known as Guest602 18:32:41 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 18:33:04 <planetmaker> Ammler: you normally need boost. Or to edit one file and add #def NO_BOOST (or something like that) 18:33:17 <yorick> and you need perl 18:33:24 <Ammler> oh, you should use boost 18:33:39 <Ammler> it is needed for escape sequences 18:33:43 <planetmaker> he... I'm too stupid to install it properly. 18:34:00 <Belugas> i'll try George_ 18:34:17 <planetmaker> nasty boost has no proper MacOS installer. 18:34:20 <Ammler> and nfo coding without escape is quite hard. 18:34:42 <planetmaker> k, so I can basically trash my binary before I even tried it :P 18:35:05 <Ammler> no 18:35:12 <Ammler> you can code without :P 18:35:17 <planetmaker> :P 18:35:22 <Ammler> it is just not that easy ;-) 18:36:38 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 18:36:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c361a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:39:02 *** Guest602 [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:38 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 18:50:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:53:32 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14618 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: when the chosen language isn't supported by the current font, try to find a font that does and use that instead. Thanks to glx/michi_cc for the Windows implementation. 18:54:08 <Belugas> George_, i fail. Something about a bad directory or else. A bit in a hurry, so no time to dig in the problem 18:54:09 <Belugas> sorry 18:54:28 <glx> Belugas: yes cygwin is required even for MSVC 18:55:30 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:39 <Belugas> c:\cygwin\bin\make -f Makefile.vc NOREV=0 18:55:42 <Belugas> yup 18:55:47 <Belugas> just found out ... 18:56:21 <Belugas> that is a bit... strange. Sure there must be a good reason but it's not somehting i'm inclined to here now ;) 18:56:37 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14619 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:56:37 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-24 18:56:10 18:56:37 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: czech - 1 fixed by Hadez (1) 18:56:37 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by habell (1) 18:56:37 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: latvian - 19 fixed, 1 changed by v3rb0 (20) 18:56:38 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: persian - 22 fixed by ali sattari (22) 18:56:38 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: piglatin - 21 fixed by adammw (21) 19:00:07 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r14620 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r14618): missing lines broke compilation on windows 19:01:04 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:01:12 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 19:12:10 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:59 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:23 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 19:25:30 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:39 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [] 19:26:03 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 19:26:46 *** Schwalbe [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:31 <planetmaker> hm... in current trunk I now get a linking error... (r14620): 19:28:42 <Rubidium> we know... 19:28:48 <planetmaker> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols: 19:28:49 <planetmaker> SetFallbackFont(FreeTypeSettings*, char const*, int) 19:28:50 <Rubidium> why doesn't OSX use fontconfig? 19:28:51 <planetmaker> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 19:28:52 <planetmaker> make[1]: *** [openttd] Error 1 19:28:54 <planetmaker> oh, ok 19:28:57 <planetmaker> obviously my system not 19:29:13 <planetmaker> I don't know why though... 19:29:21 <planetmaker> where do I have to look to figure out? 19:29:22 <Rubidium> ah well... then someone has to code SetFallbackFont for OSX ;) 19:29:27 <Rubidium> fontcache.cpp 19:29:35 <Rubidium> but it's trivial to solve the link error 19:29:55 <planetmaker> hm, how? 19:31:04 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:13 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14621 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r14618): link error when you aren't compiling for Windows or you don't have fontconfig. 19:31:13 *** Schwalbe is now known as Swallow 19:31:31 <planetmaker> :) I guess... I pull again. 19:33:54 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:05 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77055.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:44 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:47 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:04:29 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:04:37 <Chrill> Sacro? 20:05:00 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9C44.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:05:16 <Sacro> Chrill: ? 20:05:39 <Wolf01> Sacro? No, Sacred 2 time :O 20:05:47 <Chrill> can you restart brianetta's? 20:06:02 <Sacro> Chrill: car? 20:06:09 <Chrill> servar 20:07:50 <benjamingoodger> not enough time 20:07:56 <benjamingoodger> to finish last word in 20:08:10 <benjamingoodger> must type as 20:08:13 <benjamingoodger> separate message 20:08:39 <Chrill> totally 20:10:36 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p54972CDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:10:50 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r14622 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r14618): win9x compilation 20:11:40 <Sacro> Chrill: hmm, i could... 20:12:39 <Chrill> you should 20:12:43 <Chrill> it's in 2054 or somesuch 20:12:55 <Chrill> december 2052* 20:15:54 *** GhostBerg0621337 [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:16 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:20 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5ED2DAD2.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:25:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:09 <Swallow> Is there a limit on the number of items in a dropdown list? 20:28:25 <Swallow> Apart from practical limits, of course. 20:29:04 <petern> no 20:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there used to be, but it has been lifted, afaik 20:29:33 <Swallow> k, thanks 20:29:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen drop down lists with 31 entries 20:30:44 * Rubidium has seen them with 39 20:31:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but at that point, you should really consider if you shouldn't use a different format of representation 20:31:31 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: rubyruy] 20:31:31 <Rubidium> what's a better representation for the list of languages? 20:31:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't say there is one ;) 20:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> just that you should consider the possibility 20:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but, you could group them after regions, for example, and have submenus 20:32:33 <glx> at least language are sorted by name now :) 20:34:44 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> or for example don't use a dropdown box, but open a new window which has a scroll bar 20:35:18 <Eddi|zuHause> like the newgrf selection stuff 20:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the brain has difficulties with parsing lists that have more than 7 entries 20:52:06 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14623 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: a sprinkle of coding style. 20:53:50 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-34.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 20:58:42 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-34.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:52 <planetmaker> [21:35] <Eddi|zuHause> like the newgrf selection stuff <-- for creating games I always use a version patched with the new newgrf gui window 20:59:00 <planetmaker> :) 20:59:21 <Ammler> !s/new/better/ 21:01:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:41 <fjb> Hello 21:01:44 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 21:01:56 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-34.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 21:01:58 <benjamingoodger> hello fjb! would you like a sugar-free worthers original? 21:02:04 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-34.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 21:02:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:02:21 <fjb> Sugar free? 21:02:31 <benjamingoodger> yeah. from spain 21:02:43 <benjamingoodger> nothing from spain has sugar in it, for some reason. maybe they're all diabetic 21:02:59 <fjb> Hm, sugar replacements are even worse. 21:03:59 <Belugas> Hey!, Sugar? Where is my replacement?? 21:04:34 * benjamingoodger chucks one at belugas 21:05:05 <Belugas> gimme brown suger, shelter 21:05:25 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:28 <benjamingoodger> and it's landed in.... seattle! damn 21:05:37 <benjamingoodger> better luck next time 21:05:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:27 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-90-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:07:01 <Eddi|zuHause> seattle is quite a distance from quebec ;) 21:07:20 <Swallow> What is the devs' opinion on the close airport patch? 21:07:27 <benjamingoodger> ah, your whois said vancouver 21:07:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that's where the IRC server is 21:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's pretty random which one you connect to 21:08:03 <benjamingoodger> ah 21:08:09 <benjamingoodger> very well.. 21:08:14 * benjamingoodger tries again 21:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause> for example yours is in Darmstadt, Germany 21:08:43 <benjamingoodger> hm. at least his got the right country 21:08:49 <benjamingoodger> though mine was geographically closer. 21:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> well, geographics has not much to do with it, it's more the internet-proximity that decides your server 21:09:37 <Belugas> what the HELL am i doing in Hongouver ??? 21:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, could be worse... 21:10:00 <benjamingoodger> yes, yes, I know 21:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> you could be in Hannover :p 21:10:10 <benjamingoodger> you could be in london 21:10:10 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C5CF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:10:13 <Belugas> yeah.. i could in in NorthPole :S 21:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> they at least have decent snow there :p 21:10:38 <benjamingoodger> *grumbles about lack of snow* 21:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause> we have plenty snow here 21:10:55 * Belugas rejoyces at the lack of snow!! 21:11:12 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: fedex me some, will you? 21:11:28 <benjamingoodger> I have seen no snow since 2005-11-25 21:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause> NO i can't spare any! 21:11:49 <benjamingoodger> selfish 21:11:52 <Eddi|zuHause> ALL MINE! 21:11:58 <benjamingoodger> ;_; 21:12:45 *** mikl [~mikl@212.27.17.66.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 21:13:18 <benjamingoodger> I was nearly going on a trip to montreal in may 21:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> bah... why is my presentation not finishing itself? 21:14:26 <benjamingoodger> it's punishing you for not sharing your snow 21:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/reality.jpg 21:15:13 <benjamingoodger> heheheheh 21:15:37 <Belugas> FOUND IT!!! 21:15:39 <Belugas> youhou!!! 21:15:51 <Belugas> Rolling Stones - Heaven 21:15:56 <Belugas> yeah... 21:15:59 <benjamingoodger> you retrieved the werther's? 21:16:14 <benjamingoodger> that person clearly hates michael fox quite a lot. I wonder who he is 21:19:08 <frosch123> pfff, michael fox - can't you just say marty mcfly ? 21:19:19 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/2008election_by_iq.png <- that one is cool ;) 21:19:36 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: can't you make that connection by yourself? 21:19:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82877.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:56 <benjamingoodger> never heard of him either 21:20:19 * Belugas plugs his guitar jack oin his nose, according to Eddi|zuHause's suggestion 21:20:25 <Belugas> DOES NOT WORK!! 21:21:26 <benjamingoodger> that's brilliant 21:22:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81FDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:22:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:26:17 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: but please tell me you've heard of Michael J. Fox before 21:26:47 <benjamingoodger> nyope 21:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause> infidel! 21:27:34 <glx> impossible 21:29:21 <benjamingoodger> ...noe 21:30:01 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet532.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:19 <Eddi|zuHause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_J._Fox <- go memorize this 21:31:25 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=michael+j+fox <- far more useful 21:31:49 <benjamingoodger> oh, those atrocious films 21:32:09 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 21:32:55 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 21:32:55 <frosch123> benjamingoodger: i can understand that you do not know michael j fox, but when you start to tell you don't know marty mcfly, you will become quite lonely 21:33:03 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 21:33:24 <benjamingoodger> well, I only saw the last twenty minutes of one of those films, I don't know which it was 21:33:30 <benjamingoodger> and I didn't care for it 21:34:37 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet532.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:37:22 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9793.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:41:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5ED2DAD2.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 21:47:12 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:51:16 <Belugas> "What a drag It is getting Old" 21:51:48 <Sacro> Belugas: might want to look at that shift key 21:52:08 <benjamingoodger> possibly he is trying to signify the start of lines in a poem 21:52:32 <benjamingoodger> and failing to realise/ that forward-slashes are used/ for this 21:54:18 * benjamingoodger wonders why it is so quiet tonight 21:54:26 <benjamingoodger> last night it was a whirlwind of activity 21:56:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 22:00:17 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 22:01:39 *** mikl [~mikl@212.27.17.66.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:19 <Belugas> wHY iS thaT, SACRO? 22:03:37 <Wolf01> 'night 22:03:42 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe "What", "It" and "Old" are names? 22:05:28 <benjamingoodger> not bloody likely 22:06:11 <benjamingoodger> english explicitly bans capitalisation of pronouns, correlatives and adjectives except in title-case 22:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the only other option is that he is trying german, but fails horribly ;) 22:07:40 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B9C44.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:12:27 <Belugas> it was to put some accent on some words... of course of course 22:17:00 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:07 <benjamingoodger> 0.0 22:17:29 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 22:18:06 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:26 *** Flarpuff [flarpuff@corrupted.byteheaven.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:19:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c361a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:41 *** rortom_ [~rortom_@5aca9752.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:20:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20:18 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:24:03 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: @Belugas, lobster, Jango, Tefad, snorre, wgrant, mikegrb, ccfreak2k, arachnid, ecke, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:24:08 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: Bergee, CIA-5, Ridayah 22:25:37 *** Netsplit over, joins: Ridayah, snorre, lobster, De_Ghosty, Jango, Bergee, Belugas, ecke 22:25:37 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:25:37 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by resistance.oftc.net 22:25:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 22:25:49 *** Netsplit over, joins: CIA-5 22:25:57 *** Netsplit over, joins: mikegrb, Tefad, izhirahi1er, arachnid, ccfreak2k, wgrant 22:26:19 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9793.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:00 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: @Belugas, lobster, Jango, snorre, Bergee, ecke, Ridayah, De_Ghosty, dfox_ 22:27:09 *** Netsplit over, joins: ecke, Jango 22:27:16 *** Netsplit over, joins: @Belugas, dfox_, De_Ghosty, lobster, snorre 22:27:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 22:27:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: Bergee, Ridayah 22:28:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: goodnight] 22:28:28 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:35:00 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:35:17 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:42:18 <Jango> hmm 22:42:21 <Jango> [daniel@neptune 52af4cv2.default]$ df -h 22:42:21 <Jango> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on 22:42:21 <Jango> /dev/sda3 19G 18G 0 100% / 22:42:32 <Jango> that'll be why firefox stopped working.. 22:43:11 <benjamingoodger> indeed. 22:43:32 <Progman> I know that very well, for that reason I bought a 500gb external hard drive ;) 22:43:39 <fjb> 18G home? 22:43:51 <benjamingoodger> 18G root! 22:44:07 <petern> my root is 10GB 22:44:14 <petern> which is a bit excessive 22:44:17 <benjamingoodger> mine's 6.5G 22:44:23 <Jango> yeah, i don't generally store much data on this pc full stop 22:44:29 <benjamingoodger> but let's not get into a smallest-root competition 22:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> how cann you fill a 18GB root? 22:44:48 <petern> yeah, small roots only lead to problems... 22:44:51 <Progman> a full hard drive is not as funny as a full memory usage ;) 22:44:57 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, by having /var and /home in there... 22:45:03 <Prof_Frink> petern: Yeah, the tree falls over 22:45:04 <Jango> Eddi|zuHause, i think it's the package manager's cache 22:45:17 <Jango> i just saved 3.3 by deleting the cache 22:45:27 <petern> apt-get clean :D 22:45:36 <Eddi|zuHause> my 13GB root still has plenty of space... 22:45:39 <Jango> yeah, i keep meaning to put ubuntu on here 22:45:41 <Belugas> c:\format 22:45:43 <Jango> running arch asap 22:45:51 <Jango> s/asap/atm 22:46:02 <fjb> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on 22:46:03 <Jango> sorry, missing . 22:46:04 <fjb> /dev/ufs/SP2004Cs2root 198126 97308 84968 53% / 22:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause> my 380GB+420GB+910GB home does not, however :p 22:46:22 <Jango> Eddi|zuHause, ;) 22:46:34 <petern> hmm, my 428GB /home has 10GB use 22:46:34 <Jango> i won't ask what you fill it with 22:46:35 <petern> +d 22:47:02 <petern> most of that is steam stuff, heh 22:47:15 <Eddi|zuHause> go to kaffeine, click on record, don't have enough spare time to cut the commercials.... 22:47:59 <Jango> steam - is that for anything other than counterstrike? 22:48:07 <Jango> i'm a bit out of touch 22:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, audiosurf :p 22:49:10 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:50:12 <benjamingoodger> half-life 2 episode two! 22:50:15 <benjamingoodger> portle! 22:50:32 <Jango> the only game i play now is openttd 22:50:47 <Jango> no time or inclination for anything else 22:54:51 *** rortom_ is now known as rortom 22:55:57 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9752.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [Leaving] 22:56:06 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9752.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:42 <SpComb> Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on 23:03:44 <SpComb> mini_fo:/jffs 1.2M 1.2M 0 100% / 23:04:02 <benjamingoodger> :) 23:04:05 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 23:04:13 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:24 <benjamingoodger> you're like a guy who doesn't own a television 23:04:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB11.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:05 * SpComb doesn't, in fact, own a television 23:05:15 <benjamingoodger> see! see! 23:05:41 <benjamingoodger> whenever televisions are mentioned, we get a horde of people saying they don't own them 23:05:44 <SpComb> (although according to the Finnish television license ministry, I'm supposed to pay the television license anyways because I have a PC hooked up to a network where it's possible to view IPTV) 23:06:06 <Rubidium> sounds familiar 23:06:16 <benjamingoodger> sounds fair, the British television licensing corporation does that too 23:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> does not sound fair, but they passed a law like that in germany, too 23:06:48 <benjamingoodger> (the non-television-owning people invariably then continue with a complaint about the tv licensing agency) 23:07:06 <SmatZ> they wanted to have a law like that here, but isn't here yet :) 23:07:12 <Rubidium> television is utter shit anyways 23:07:22 <SmatZ> hehe 23:07:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "Neuartiges RundfunkgerÀt" they call it 23:07:32 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: you are meant to pay the TV license if you own something that can be used to watch BBC copyrighted content... therefore, internet-connected computers are included 23:07:42 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:07:49 <benjamingoodger> it's entirely fair, to the extent that charging people who own a television is fair 23:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> although, it costs only as much as a radio license, not a TV license (unless you also own a TV, or a TV card for the computer) 23:08:23 <SpComb> but the fact remains that I don't watch IPTV, so I don't want to pay to 120⬠or whatever it was a year for the privilege of choosing not to watch TV 23:08:44 <SmatZ> why isn't is paid from taxes, this is just another annyoning fee (little, but annyoning) 23:08:49 <SmatZ> *it 23:08:57 <benjamingoodger> because not everyone owns a television 23:09:18 <SmatZ> there are people who don't pay taxes, too... like homelesses 23:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause> if it were payed from taxes, the government might take (more) influence on the content 23:09:25 <SpComb> they have this advertising campaign for it here in Finland, it's even possible to buy a TV license as a gift card... 23:09:37 <benjamingoodger> spcomb would complain, loudly and continually, about being taxed to pay for other people's television 23:09:41 <SmatZ> soon you will be able to watch TV at phone 23:09:42 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d189.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:58 <SmatZ> SpComb has PC 23:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> radio costs 5,52⬠per month and TV(+radio+...) costs 17,03⬠in germany 23:10:18 <SpComb> 215â¬/yr 23:10:20 <Eddi|zuHause> at least according to this GEZ letter on my table 23:10:39 <benjamingoodger> hmm 23:10:47 <benjamingoodger> colour tv license is only £60 per year in UK 23:10:54 <SpComb> benjamingoodger: I barely pay 215â¬/yr in taxes 23:10:57 <benjamingoodger> b&w tv license is £30 23:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause> but you don't have to pay if you live in your parent's home and earn less than 280⬠per month 23:11:16 <SmatZ> benjamingoodger: do you pay for each TV? 23:11:22 <Eddi|zuHause> benjamingoodger: they actually make a difference for that?!? 23:11:22 <benjamingoodger> no, per household 23:11:28 <benjamingoodger> yes, they do 23:11:33 <SmatZ> then it is cheap 23:11:39 <benjamingoodger> there is also a discount if you are blind or deaf :P 23:11:46 <SmatZ> haha 23:12:24 <benjamingoodger> SpComb: presumably you plan to pay some at some point in the future? 23:12:31 <SpComb> heh, 50% off for blind/deaf? :P 23:12:57 <Rubidium> deaf need to pay more 23:13:01 <Rubidium> for the subtitling 23:13:04 <SmatZ> :-P 23:13:06 <SpComb> benjamingoodger: presumeably 23:13:35 <benjamingoodger> is that a "yes", or are you trying to correct my spelling? 23:13:42 <SpComb> yes 23:13:49 <SpComb> why do governments even tax TV licenses separately? 23:13:49 <benjamingoodger> which? 23:13:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:56 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:13:57 <SpComb> confused yet? 23:14:01 <benjamingoodger> yes 23:14:02 <benjamingoodger> I am 23:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: again, because it is not a tax 23:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it is a fee 23:14:41 <SpComb> fee for what? 23:14:49 <benjamingoodger> fee for watching the tv 23:14:54 <SpComb> but I don't watch TV 23:14:58 <SpComb> so why should I have to pay it? 23:14:59 <Rubidium> SpComb: do you also have to pay a fee for "copyright owners" when you buy an empty CD, empty DVD, etc? 23:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> for public TV without (much) governmental influence 23:15:03 <SpComb> no, it's just defined in a silly way :( 23:15:05 <benjamingoodger> no, but you have equipment to do so 23:15:17 <benjamingoodger> you cannot be trusted to have the equipment and not do it, obviously 23:16:28 <Rubidium> and do you have to pay a dog tax when you doorbell sounds like a dog? 23:16:38 <SmatZ> hehe 23:16:56 <benjamingoodger> we don't have dog taxes here 23:17:41 <SpComb> the "have the equipment to do so" thing is kind of meaningless when you have equipment that wasn't made for watching TV, but is capable of doing so because your ISP configured some routers on their side of the network 23:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause> dog taxes are communal taxes, each village may have its own dog taxes 23:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: then talk to the ISP to not allow IPTV for your connection 23:18:52 <benjamingoodger> ...which is laughable 23:19:00 <SpComb> indeed, there was some discussion about making it opt-in 23:19:07 <benjamingoodger> because you will still be able to view youtube recordings of the content 23:19:29 <Rubidium> oh... not to forget the copier tax: if you have the means to copy a piece of paper (as company) you have to pay an annual fee (to compensate copyright owners) regardless on the amount you copy or whether you actually copy copyrighted materials 23:19:38 <SpComb> well, if the government wants some way to define the criteria for having to pay the license in the law, then it's not entirely ridiculous for the ISP to provide a way to make a solid choice yourself 23:19:57 <benjamingoodger> ah, copier taxes... those aren't good 23:19:58 <SmatZ> Rubidium: that's silly... we only have to pay for printers, inks and paper :-P 23:20:11 <SpComb> although I'm not quite sure how the ISP would implement it... filtering multicast traffic on the switch ports, or some kind of IGMP source-IP monitoring 23:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause> cd burners have a similar fee 23:20:18 <benjamingoodger> laser toner is already more expensive than cocaine 23:20:28 <SmatZ> haha 23:21:04 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9752.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:21:18 <Rubidium> that does in effect make copying any content fairly legal; you're paying the copyright owners anyways 23:21:33 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.117.52] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 23:21:35 <benjamingoodger> you'd think so, wouldn't you 23:22:48 <benjamingoodger> I look forward to the day when record labels are relegated to the status of litigation trolls 23:22:52 * Rubidium still needs to find a use for the CD/DVD player/burner in his laptop 23:23:03 <SpComb> CD-burner tax 23:23:27 <benjamingoodger> and someone in the EU notices, and issues a directive about it, and we all rejoice, bathing in sunshine and rainbows 23:23:49 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:04 <SpComb> rainbow tax 23:24:25 <benjamingoodger> kvietigxu, vi... 23:24:43 <Rubidium> after having the laptop for 4.5 years as main (only) workstation I've yet to use the darn cdrom thing 23:24:56 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> that does in effect make copying any content fairly legal; you're paying the copyright owners anyways <- but they closed that loophole, the copyright now says that this is only legal when the source of the material was legal as well 23:25:56 <SpComb> the media tax is indeed a pretty ridiculous concept 23:25:58 <Rubidium> well... the source is legal per definition 23:26:47 <benjamingoodger> hmm 23:27:01 <benjamingoodger> perhaps I will strike germany from my list of emigration destinations after all 23:27:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. they noticed that flaw after they passed the law, now they are trying to change it again 23:27:11 <benjamingoodger> seems a little copyrighted for me 23:27:35 <Eddi|zuHause> germany has one of the most strict copyrights in the world 23:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but it does have advantages, like music companies cannot simply strip the musicians of their copyright, like they do in the USA 23:29:21 <benjamingoodger> well, yes 23:29:33 <benjamingoodger> I didn't have the US on the list to begin with :P 23:29:51 <benjamingoodger> it's a criminal offense, however, to distribute copyrighted works without permission in the UK 23:30:21 <benjamingoodger> not sure how that compares with germany 23:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> germany has very clear exceptions for copyright 23:30:31 <benjamingoodger> I think I'll go, sort of north of germany 23:30:49 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:30:52 <Eddi|zuHause> like you are allowed to make copies for personal use, and distribute them to family and close friends 23:31:08 <benjamingoodger> that's more permissive than the UK, then 23:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> which is what the cd burner fee (and similar) are supposed to balance 23:31:41 <benjamingoodger> giving my mother a copy of a language-learning program could send me to jail 23:31:44 <benjamingoodger> hm 23:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no, programs are different, this exception is only for audio and video content 23:33:17 <benjamingoodger> ah 23:33:23 <benjamingoodger> a language learning CD, then 23:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> http://bundesrecht.juris.de/urhg/index.html <- if you want to know more about german copyright law 23:35:10 <Rubidium> oh.. legal German... not something I fancy reading 23:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> starting with §44a are the exceptions 23:35:50 <benjamingoodger> bitte schön 23:36:12 <benjamingoodger> but, eh, I'd rather stab myself slowly to death with a blunt pencil 23:36:42 <benjamingoodger> hmm 23:36:55 <benjamingoodger> norway, sweden, finland remain on the list 23:37:01 <benjamingoodger> arguments against finland? 23:37:11 <benjamingoodger> besides it being very cold and rather close to russia? 23:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause> they charge you for IPTV even if you don't want it :p 23:37:53 <Rubidium> interesting... according to google it's a 42 minute walk for me to Germany 23:38:01 <Rubidium> why does that number pop up everywhere? 23:38:13 <Chrill> benjamingoodger, Finland is Finland.. now, what list does it remain on? 23:38:27 <Chrill> Rubidium, you're the meaning of lige 23:38:30 <Chrill> life, even 23:39:35 <benjamingoodger> my list of places to emigrate to, from the United Kingdom 23:40:29 <benjamingoodger> must be rich, at least partly english-speaking, a bit socialist, and with lots of civil liberties 23:43:49 <benjamingoodger> asia, eastern europe, africa, the US, south america are therefore not on the list... and I don't care to learn japanese. not sure about canada or australia... scandinavia has appeal 23:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd try singapore, australia or new zealand ;) 23:46:08 *** huset [~huset@user84.77-105-204.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:09 <huset> o/ 23:46:12 *** huset is now known as appe 23:46:17 <benjamingoodger> just 'cause you want me out of europe :P 23:46:22 <appe> i was wondering, can i add newgrf patches while playing? 23:46:34 <appe> or will that fuck things up 23:46:36 <benjamingoodger> yes 23:46:44 <benjamingoodger> it may well fuck things up, however 23:46:46 <appe> oh 23:46:51 <appe> i just want faster trains :< 23:46:55 <benjamingoodger> :P 23:46:55 <benjamingoodger> I don't know about australia... seems rather american 23:46:57 <appe> dono if it exists, actually. 23:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> vietnam is beautiful, i have heard. and they use latin alphabet, so it's not impossible to learn their language ;) 23:47:09 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 23:47:22 <benjamingoodger> yes 23:47:27 <appe> vietnamese is rather easy compared with the rest of the asian languages 23:47:36 <benjamingoodger> somewhat pacific, liable to be covered in water periodically 23:47:42 <appe> :> 23:48:18 <appe> although 23:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you might as well stay in your rainy, dirty, snowless UK then :p 23:48:29 <appe> "fuck things up", with the map or the game? 23:48:45 <benjamingoodger> possibly the map 23:49:01 <benjamingoodger> if it doesn't crash the game, it's probably OK 23:49:10 <benjamingoodger> I don't want to stay in my rainy dirty snowless UK 23:49:18 <benjamingoodger> I quite like the idea of sweden 23:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> appe: it's probably a bad idea to switch train grfs if you already have existing trains 23:49:35 <benjamingoodger> was just wondering if its neighbours were better in any way 23:49:47 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 23:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> sweden spies on every internet traffic that crosses its borders :p 23:50:30 <appe> Eddi|zuHause: ok 23:50:33 <appe> :o 23:50:35 <appe> <- 23:50:47 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 23:51:07 <benjamingoodger> this is true 23:51:18 <benjamingoodger> so, arguments for norway? 23:52:43 <Prof_Frink> Forget norway. 23:53:18 <benjamingoodger> why? 23:53:30 * Sacro knows why 23:53:47 <benjamingoodger> why, sacro? 23:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what is a norway? 23:54:11 <Sacro> http://www.forgetnorway.com/ 23:54:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:54:44 <benjamingoodger> aha! 23:54:46 <benjamingoodger> yes 23:54:57 <benjamingoodger> come to kenya, we've got lions!! 23:54:58 <appe> Eddi|zuHause: a norway is a long piece of asfalt, charged with a high electrical current, sent into several donkey arses for reaction 23:55:09 <benjamingoodger> that was made by a Brit, you know :P 23:55:10 <appe> Eddi|zuHause: the experiment is mostly used in northern part of europe. 23:55:14 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Thank you. 23:55:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 23:55:24 <Prof_Frink> benjamingoodger: A yorksherman. 23:55:38 <benjamingoodger> possibly 23:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> appe: ah, right, i forot. :p 23:56:06 <Sacro> forot? 23:56:19 <appe> a 'forot' is a carot, shaped like the #openttd main irc operator's sack of testicles 23:56:27 <benjamingoodger> good god! 23:56:33 <benjamingoodger> appe's been replaced by a wanker! 23:56:33 <Sacro> who is the "main op"? 23:56:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:37 <appe> most comonly used in soup and northern parts of europe. 23:56:52 <appe> Sacro: the main irc operator is the leader of kenya 23:57:05 * appe would work superbly as the encyclopedia of worlds 23:58:52 <Prof_Frink> benjamingoodger: http://www.yorkshiretouristguide.com/Articles/Article_29.asp about 3/4 down, "Jonti Picking, creator of the Weebl and Bob cartoon series" 23:59:20 <benjamingoodger> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Credit+Crunch/ 23:59:21 <benjamingoodger> brilliant I say! 23:59:21 <benjamingoodger> ah, lovely