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Log for #openttd on 8th December 2008:
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00:00:33  <TrueBrain> haha, 'oops', I forgot to close my files after being done with them ... then after 1024 files ... you can't open any more files ;)
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00:02:20  <Eddi|zuHause> funny ;)
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00:03:08  <TrueBrain> not if that just costs you 3 hours of CPU time :(
00:03:36  <TrueBrain> S010-W175.hmp:  10S by 175W, 6000 px, 1200 res; low:   -5, high: 1854
00:03:36  <TrueBrain> N055-W170.hmp:  55N by 170W, 6000 px, 1200 res; low: -100, high: 2057
00:03:38  <TrueBrain> Yippie :)
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00:05:42  <TrueBrain> lately I got a lot of 'love' emailed  to me ..
00:05:47  <TrueBrain> oh wlel, it is better than viagra
00:06:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i never get spam :((
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00:07:00  <TrueBrain> go to the shop
00:07:03  <Eddi|zuHause> in the last 7 years i had this email account, i got like 3 spam mails
00:07:23  <TrueBrain> is there a penalty (like burning his feet or something) for opening a 18 month old topic?
00:08:00  <Eddi|zuHause> "probieren geht ÃŒber studieren"
00:09:14  <TrueBrain> what is the highest point on earth?
00:09:42  <glx> everest should be
00:09:47  <TrueBrain> in meters :)
00:10:22  <SmatZ> 8848, or 8850
00:10:23  <glx> fr.wiki says 8844m
00:10:24  <Eddi|zuHause> 8848m
00:10:31  <SmatZ> depends when it was measured
00:10:39  <TrueBrain> k, tnx
00:10:44  <TrueBrain> (sorry, too lazy to fire up firefox :p
00:10:45  <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i learned
00:10:53  <SmatZ> eg. I was teched it is 8848, my younger brother was teached 8850m
00:10:53  <TrueBrain> and how
00:11:07  <TrueBrain> measuring things in height is tricky on its own :)
00:11:20  <TrueBrain> nevertheless, order of magnitude 9000, fine by me :)
00:11:29  <thingwath> depends
00:11:30  <thingwath> The point farthest from the Earth's centre is widely reported to be the summit of Chimborazo (due to the Earth not being a perfect sphere), at 6,384.4 km (3,967 mi).
00:11:34  <thingwath> says wiki.
00:11:41  <thingwath> ;-)
00:11:54  <TrueBrain> and .... that has what to do with the highest point?
00:11:54  <Eddi|zuHause> nobody cares about earth center
00:12:10  * SmatZ cares
00:12:12  <Eddi|zuHause> height is measured relative to earth surface
00:12:19  <TrueBrain> as long as it rotates, it is fine by me :p
00:12:27  <SmatZ> relative to sea level
00:12:30  <Eddi|zuHause> (as an idealised regular object)
00:12:32  <TrueBrain> else we just create some kind of material that gets harder when it gets hotter ...
00:12:41  <TrueBrain> and we get DC voltage by putting 2 cables on either side of our cabine!
00:12:42  <TrueBrain> YEAH!
00:12:44  <glx> sea level is variable
00:13:15  <TrueBrain> and indeed, sea level is used
00:13:33  <TrueBrain> Anyone knows the coordinates of Everest?
00:13:39  <TrueBrain> glx: really? :p :p :)
00:14:02  <Eddi|zuHause> that one i really did not memorise :p
00:14:26  * glx starts google earth
00:15:33  <TrueBrain> 27°59?17?N 86°55?31?E? / ?27.98806, 86.92528
00:15:36  <TrueBrain> I had to start firefox for that :(
00:16:30  <TrueBrain> okay, that is within my dataset .. :) Tnx guys!
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00:25:49  <TrueBrain> the SRTM survey has it on 8806 meters .. but that is the average height of 0.3 arcsec square
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00:41:12  <TrueBrain> night all
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02:44:54  <nicfer> Any progress on the 16 companies patch?
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09:48:44  <Celestar> morning \o
09:49:19  <Forked> greetings, sir
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10:14:06  <Celestar> hm...
10:45:44  <Rubidium> Celestar: http://rbijker.net/openttd/cargop.diff
10:46:06  <Rubidium> and maybe when you've handled those comments ask TB for a run of the compile farm so people can test the new version
10:46:25  <Rubidium> and if that doesn't yield big problems merge somewhere begin next week?
10:49:04  * Forked does a dance
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10:51:03  <ccfreak2k> What if it does cause big problems?
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10:53:54  <petern> then it gets merged anyway and you personally have to pick up the pieces!
10:54:54  <Forked> mmm cargodest in trunk mmmmm
10:56:06  <Gekz> petern: you know things
10:56:16  <Gekz> "- Environment and boundaries (scope of project on a DFD diagram)"
10:56:21  <Gekz> what do I have to do here?
11:00:02  <ccfreak2k> Is cargodest anything like paxdest?
11:00:27  <Rubidium> no
11:06:47  <petern> a what?
11:13:57  <Celestar> Rubidium: roger
11:16:24  <Celestar> who was our gcc 2.95.3 guy? TrueBrain ?
11:17:35  <blathijs> Wasn't that tokai? For MorphOS?
11:17:53  <petern> that's more likely to be gcc 0.1 :P
11:19:48  <Celestar> :P
11:25:20  <Celestar> Rubidium: about that "front_v" instead of "u" thingy. Got no problem doing it, but that's the way it is in trunk
11:25:31  <Celestar> Rubidium: I just moved the declaration
11:25:46  <Celestar> cancel last statement :P
11:26:08  <Celestar> in many functions we have "u" as the first vehicle in the chain. Which is prolly a stupid thing anyway
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11:36:46  <petern> not really
11:37:03  <petern> usually it's just a way to iterate a chain without clobbering v
11:37:28  <Celestar> :D
11:38:39  <Sacro> bored(sacro).
11:38:55  <Celestar> give(sacro, book)
11:39:10  <Celestar> take(sacro, book)
11:39:16  <Celestar> share_with(sacro, &work)
11:41:26  <Sacro> mmm
11:41:32  <Sacro> exam(prolog, failed).
11:45:05  <Celestar> uh_oh
11:46:16  <Celestar> bah
11:46:20  <Celestar> I hate dependency mess
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11:47:03  <Sacro> nah
11:47:05  <treve> hi, any dutch guys here
11:47:31  <Celestar> ?
11:47:51  <treve> any 1 here that can speak dutch?
11:48:16  <treve> because i have a small problem, but its going to be hard for me to do it in english
11:48:21  * Celestar looks in the direction of Rubidium and TrueBrain
11:49:09  <treve> i am running a server, and i would like to run some irc bot on it
11:49:18  <treve> but totaly suck at it
11:49:22  <Celestar> autopilot?
11:49:27  <treve> yeah
11:49:39  <treve> but i dont understand the websites
11:49:56  <treve> so i am looking for a steph by steph help from some1
11:50:11  <treve> and thats hard to find these days ;)
11:50:40  <treve> i am also noob in mirc
11:51:29  <treve> any 1?
11:51:39  <Celestar> I dunno mirc
11:52:03  <treve> irc client?
11:52:32  <Celestar> yeah
11:52:34  <Celestar> but it's on windows
11:52:44  <treve> :s
11:52:47  <Celestar> and I haven't touched that in a decade (=
11:53:00  <treve> i am just wondering what to do to run something like autopilot on my server...
11:54:51  <Celestar> I really dunno on windows
11:55:10  <Celestar> but you might want to wait for Brianetta, he might be able to help
11:55:21  <Sacro> brian's server is linux
11:56:07  <Celestar> but he knows about five orders of magnitude more about autopilot than I do
11:58:31  <treve> daim windows :
11:58:33  <treve> :p
11:58:40  <treve> shoot bill
11:59:37  <treve> or... are there some other scripts that are able to remember some players, and there cash, comp value, points earning system etc...?
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12:00:27  <treve> any servers-hosters here (windows)???
12:00:39  <treve> with some scripts or boths on the server?
12:02:46  <treve> where can i obtain autopilot?
12:09:54  <Celestar> let's see
12:10:15  <Celestar> dihedral: you there?
12:11:22  <treve> bad hour
12:11:36  <Forked> http://svn.dihedral.de/listing.php?repname=OpenTTD.autopilot&path=%2F&sc=0 (googled)
12:11:43  <treve> als see www.openttd.webs.com  my free site
12:11:59  <treve> about the server, but its no fun without ranking and stuff
12:12:54  <Celestar> Rubidium: so basically we drop all the _t ?
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12:15:16  <planetmaker> [12:53]	<treve>	i am just wondering what to do to run something like autopilot on my server... <--- you need a fitting version of TCL. And the possibility to run screen helps A LOT
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12:15:30  <planetmaker> whether that's possible on windows... who knows.
12:15:41  <planetmaker> maybe by means of cygwin.
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12:16:56  <Celestar> "GNU Screen is now an official Cygwin package"
12:16:58  <treve> :s
12:17:09  <treve> whats tcl
12:17:19  <planetmaker> scripting language
12:17:20  <treve> and how i know i have a fitting version
12:17:30  <planetmaker> by reading the ap+ documentation.
12:17:52  <treve> i am reading something... from that link
12:18:00  <planetmaker> some 7.x and 8.0 will probably do. Butafaik not every 7.x.
12:18:33  <treve> so i need to go find tcl 8.0?
12:18:55  <planetmaker> well. Would be worth a try :)
12:19:20  <planetmaker> oh... maybe it was 8.x instead of 7.x - dunno..
12:19:35  <planetmaker> http://openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot
12:20:23  <planetmaker> read especially the (short) section on windows.
12:21:40  <treve> it is unfortunate that its Expect package is unable to take control over a Windows based openttd dedicated server without modification of the latter
12:21:50  <treve> dont like that :D
12:22:02  <planetmaker> get a OS :)
12:22:08  <treve> :p
12:23:02  <treve> is there also an option/possibility/command to let the server reconnect/advertise again?
12:23:14  <planetmaker> http://openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot/ap%2B <-- the newest version
12:23:29  <planetmaker> afaik not automatically.
12:23:44  <treve> because i have alot of internet breakdowns, and it takes alot of time to re-advertise auto
12:24:01  <treve> its getting my clients away :p
12:24:29  <Forked> You want to host a server on an unstable connection? :\
12:24:37  <TrueBrain> I wouldn't want to join a server which has a lot of internet breakdowns .. dunno .. sounds bad
12:24:48  <TrueBrain> morning all
12:24:58  <treve> i know, i want a stable connection :p
12:25:02  <Celestar> \o TrueBrain
12:25:12  <planetmaker> :D
12:25:16  <TrueBrain> or let others do the hosting
12:25:34  <TrueBrain> like we say: yeah, we had to cut costs, so we put openttd.org on a home connection .. it is online 90% of the time!!! :s
12:25:55  <planetmaker> :S
12:26:26  <planetmaker> sounds like a bad plan... :) reliability of openttd is quite nice as it is :)
12:27:21  <TrueBrain> hehehe :)
12:27:24  <TrueBrain> I wasn't planning to ;)
12:27:32  <planetmaker> :)
12:27:33  <TrueBrain> we have 1500 binary downloads a day .. not bad :)
12:27:45  <planetmaker> wow, that's quite impressive.
12:27:55  <treve> what can i download with nntp?
12:28:00  <treve> stuff on newsgroups?
12:28:01  <planetmaker> a decent user base for such a "old" game :)
12:28:13  <treve> openttd stuff on newsgroups?
12:28:15  <TrueBrain> 90% of that are windows binaries :p
12:28:34  <planetmaker> well... that doesn't matter... *nix compile themselves ;)
12:29:01  <planetmaker> treve: http://www.google.de/search?q=nntp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
12:29:09  <TrueBrain> the weekends there are more users :)
12:29:23  <TrueBrain> most *nix get their binaries from their repos, so we don't register those ...
12:29:40  <TrueBrain> we should make a backdoor register protocol, to count the active clients ;)
12:29:45  <TrueBrain> like 'auto-updater'
12:29:54  <TrueBrain> (most software 'abuse' that to count how many clients there are active on a given week)
12:29:57  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: initially... but any guestimate how many come here to obtain a (newer) version?
12:30:22  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: you just would need to call it differently.
12:30:33  <TrueBrain> how do you mean?
12:30:35  <planetmaker> Something along the lines of "improved quality of service"
12:30:45  <Celestar> BAH.
12:30:48  <planetmaker> spying is so... perjorative ;)
12:30:51  <TrueBrain> hehe
12:30:53  <Celestar> can't call a class "Routing" apparently
12:30:55  <TrueBrain> Celestar: bless you
12:31:26  <TrueBrain> anyway, we started recording downloads from the moment we moved to LeaseWeb
12:31:34  <TrueBrain> we hit the 1M downloads somewhere last month
12:32:14  <planetmaker> that's impressive... you moved... some half year ago, or so, right?
12:32:14  <TrueBrain> euh, 100k
12:32:15  <TrueBrain> lol
12:32:21  <planetmaker> anyway :)
12:32:27  <TrueBrain> stats start at 2008-09-14
12:32:51  <TrueBrain> so yeah .. a pretty active game :p Haha :)
12:32:52  <planetmaker> any public stats? In order to satisfy now emerging curiosity?
12:33:27  <Sacro> you put your emerging curiosity away
12:33:39  <TrueBrain> the stats page is still on the test-www .. I guess it can be moved to the public one ..
12:34:05  <planetmaker> :)
12:37:31  <TrueBrain> Celestar: nasty restriction ... :s
12:40:08  <Ammler> Heya TrueBrain, as you speak about clients, any chance of providing dedicated builds?
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12:42:09  <treve> planetmaker, why that last link
12:42:19  <treve> to nntp
12:42:23  <treve> i use it all the time
12:42:34  <treve> but not for messages
12:42:38  <TrueBrain> Ammler: dedicated builds for what?
12:42:50  <TrueBrain> the download counter for any dedicated build we ever had was VERY close to 0 ...
12:42:56  <Ammler> I meant builds for dedicated server :-)
12:43:16  <planetmaker> treve: you've been asking about nntp...
12:43:31  <TrueBrain> and the difference is .. what?
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12:43:49  <Ammler> you could use them without SDL
12:44:49  <TrueBrain> I have no clue what Ammler is rambling about, and I guess he doesn't understand he needs to explain it in a different way :) Oh well ;)
12:44:57  <planetmaker> Ammler: rather than dedicated builds I'd like him merge cargodest and noai into trunk ;)
12:45:30  <TrueBrain> I think I will be killed on sight
12:45:31  <TrueBrain> ;)
12:45:37  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I think it means: if you run a server w/o sdl, you currently are in need of compiling yourself...
12:45:48  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: well, then better refrain from merging it - for now ;)
12:45:58  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: yup, you are :)
12:46:05  <TrueBrain> as I said:
12:46:05  <TrueBrain> [13:42] <TrueBrain> the download counter for any dedicated build we ever had was VERY close to 0 ...
12:46:18  <planetmaker> :P
12:46:27  <TrueBrain> I value my life, yes, thank you :)\
12:47:23  <planetmaker> so... before doing that, get your asbesthos clothes - then you can survive the subsequent flame war ;)
12:47:34  <TrueBrain> (did I just degrate most OpenTTD developer to a bunch of babarics? :))
12:47:42  <planetmaker> :D
12:48:03  <TrueBrain> haha :)
12:49:04  <Ammler> TrueBrain: the reason is/was, that you mostly patch a server.
12:49:27  <Ammler> but at least we wouldn't ;-)
12:49:59  <TrueBrain> not really
12:50:07  <TrueBrain> more that most repos systems didn't had it anyway
12:50:13  <TrueBrain> and either you compile stuff yourself, or you use your repos
12:50:24  <TrueBrain> for linux a _VERY_ limited group downloads from our website
12:50:38  <Ammler> we do all the time...
12:50:49  <Ammler> nightlies
12:52:04  <Ammler> was there ever stable dedicated builds?
12:52:35  <Ammler> so you can't really know, there is no interests.
12:53:36  <TrueBrain> I am glad you can answer for us
12:53:42  <TrueBrain> makes my life so much easier :)
12:54:39  <TrueBrain> in the 3 months we no longer have dedicated builds you are the first (!) person to ask .. what a usergroup we have for dedicated builds ... waste of CPU time
12:54:57  <petern> heh
12:55:10  <petern> dedicated builds for releases seems reasonable
12:55:21  <petern> but not nightlies
12:55:34  <TrueBrain> petern: the download counter for those was stuck as 1
12:55:42  <Ammler> petern: there was never ded builds for stabels, afaik
12:56:02  <petern> stabels?
12:57:57  <TrueBrain> dedicated builds were never published on SF
12:58:01  <Ammler> oh well, I got my answer. ;-)
12:58:01  <TrueBrain> so there is something to say for that
12:58:10  <TrueBrain> still I doubt it will ever get any sane userbase :p
12:58:21  <TrueBrain> (as again, linux systems tend to either use their own repos, or compile it ..)
12:58:35  <TrueBrain> I will schedule some dedicated builds for the next stable release, then we can see ;)
13:00:13  <petern> :D
13:02:02  <Ammler> there should be a way to see, if there are unpatched server running...
13:02:41  <TrueBrain> yeah, that are those without an 'M' at the end
13:02:56  <Ammler> lol
13:03:06  <petern> :)
13:03:43  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: is there actually another way to see whether the source was patched than the 'M' of the version string?
13:04:01  <planetmaker> I mean... the 'M' is not really a fail-save indicator...
13:04:07  <planetmaker> :D
13:04:11  <TrueBrain> svn diff
13:04:35  <Celestar> TrueBrain: could you try to build the latest cargodest on a gcc 2.95.3?
13:04:35  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: well... that for sure :).
13:04:52  <TrueBrain> Celestar: not really ... I think we currently don't have a gcc 2.95.3 ready anywhere ..
13:04:53  <planetmaker> I prefer hg diff meanwhile ;)
13:05:42  <Celestar> TrueBrain: know anyone who a) needs it and/or b) could try it?
13:06:00  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: fair enough :)
13:06:01  <planetmaker> doesn't SmatZ have a collection of antique gccs?
13:06:06  <TrueBrain> tokai :)
13:06:23  <Celestar> tokai: SmatZ: can any of you try to build cargodest (latest hg) on gcc 2.95.3 ?
13:06:25  <TrueBrain> but I guess we need to start up a MorphOS VM sooner or later, so I might find time this week or so to create it ..
13:06:50  <TrueBrain> then again .. I also still need several OSX libraries .. but Bjarni seems to have gone up in smoke :(
13:07:14  <petern> he's not the only OS X user
13:07:21  <petern> unfortunately
13:07:25  <Celestar> lol
13:07:41  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: btw, any other method to register code changes is very useless in the Open Source world. If the initial attempt doesn't detect correctly .. it is not really needed to try any other method :)
13:07:53  <TrueBrain> petern: but sadly enough, he was the only one understanding how to give universal libraries :)
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13:11:04  <petern> i think that was more of a fluke :p
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13:38:55  <planetmaker> [14:07]	<TrueBrain>	planetmaker: btw, any other method to register code changes is very useless in the Open Source world. If the initial attempt doesn't detect correctly .. it is not really needed to try any other method :) <-- I was rather thinking of something which still persists even if configure --revision=rXYZAB
13:39:18  <planetmaker> but I guess that's rather pointless.
13:39:46  <TrueBrain> for the same reason, yes :)
13:41:35  <TrueBrain> for more info on such techniques, I would like to refer to bzFlags :)
13:41:45  <TrueBrain> they did a lot to prevent cheating clients .. in the end .. it is useless, as it is still possible :)
13:41:53  <TrueBrain> (any and all protections you can avoid, as it is open source :))
13:42:03  <TrueBrain> (well, I even did it for closed source projects, but okay)
13:42:08  <petern> let's build in drm!
13:42:39  <TrueBrain> hahahahaha :)
13:42:45  <TrueBrain> crazy person :)
13:42:47  <Sacro> D:
13:42:53  <Sacro> openttd
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13:43:19  <TrueBrain> it is open, after activation! :P
13:43:31  <TrueBrain> and you need to sign a NDA if you want to look at the source! :p
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14:01:38  <Celestar> :P
14:01:53  * Celestar wonders what NDA TrueBrain's Brain is under :P
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14:07:19  <TrueBrain> I wonder that myself too :(
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14:10:36  <TrueBrain> hmm .. snow ...
14:10:44  <Sacro> hmm, pasties
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14:22:06  <treve> any dutch guys here yet?
14:22:25  <TrueBrain> nah
14:22:27  <TrueBrain> we tend to hide
14:22:59  <treve> you dutch?
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14:23:35  <TrueBrain> welcome back Belugas :)
14:24:02  <Belugas> hello :)
14:24:09  <Belugas> lost a physical drive
14:24:25  <Belugas> always nice on a monday
14:24:38  <TrueBrain> that sucks ...
14:24:43  <Belugas> and it is COLD outside
14:24:49  <Belugas> -18 this morning
14:24:50  <TrueBrain> I hope you have backups :)
14:24:55  * TrueBrain loves cold :)
14:24:55  <Belugas> yes
14:25:01  <TrueBrain> that is _very_ cold ;)
14:25:10  <Belugas> and it seems the dive just had a loose connection
14:25:13  <Belugas> yup, it is
14:25:26  <Belugas> my son almost refured to go to school heeh
14:26:56  <TrueBrain> can you blame him? :)
14:27:43  <thingwath> I want -18 too :-/
14:29:31  <planetmaker> open the freezer's door, step in, close from inside.
14:30:39  <Belugas> no, TrueBrain, i caqnnot blame him at all.  I was not in a mood to go back in the office either ;)
14:30:39  <thingwath> I will not fit in.
14:30:39  <TrueBrain> oeh, can I do that?
14:30:39  <Belugas> but that's for other reasons :D
14:31:35  <planetmaker> thingwath: then add a step at the beginning: get bigger freezer ;)
14:32:32  <thingwath> I would not have enough place for such a freezer :o)
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14:36:54  <Celestar> SUCKS
14:37:27  <Celestar> thingwath: me too, I want -18 ... % taxes
14:38:37  <thingwath> try the freezer :-)
14:39:58  <TrueBrain> you find taxes there?
14:40:06  * TrueBrain starts to dail 911 ..
14:40:10  <TrueBrain> dial
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14:52:39  <Celestar> \o glx
14:54:17  <glx> o/
14:55:02  <Celestar> glx: could you please try the latest cargodest on your various windows compilers? thanks.
14:55:28  <glx> ok
15:04:32  <glx> Celestar: both compiled
15:04:35  <Celestar> awesome
15:04:39  <Celestar> warnings?
15:04:44  <glx> same as trunk
15:04:48  <Celestar> k
15:04:51  <Celestar> even better
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15:13:11  <Celestar> petern: In [cargodest] src/routing.cpp:134, would it be possible to use the "armored cargo type" instead of CT_GOLD?
15:15:59  <glx> why not use CargoClass ?
15:16:05  <TrueBrain> @calc 96.39 / 55.65
15:16:05  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1.7320754717
15:16:34  <Celestar> glx: elaborate?
15:16:54  <glx> "armored" is a cargo class (CC_ARMOURED)
15:17:20  <Celestar> that's what I was talking bout ;)
15:17:24  <glx> but many cargo types can have the same class
15:17:35  <Celestar> that's the idea (=
15:17:51  <Celestar> so why isn't the "class" variable enummed?
15:17:57  <Celestar> classes*
15:18:26  <glx> it is, in newgrf_cargo.h:12
15:19:12  <Celestar> yeah, but the member of cargospec isn't
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15:19:39  <glx> CC are flags
15:19:42  <Celestar> glx: so anything that is TE_PASSENGERS is CC_PASSENGERS as well normally? (also for games without newcargos)
15:22:41  <glx> array in cargo_const.h tends to say that
15:23:06  <glx> but it's not true for TE_WATER and CC_LIQUID
15:23:23  <TrueBrain> I finally (after 2 years or so) understand why my mapgen always produces wrong images :) hahahaha :)
15:23:26  <TrueBrain> oh boy .. this is silly :)
15:24:00  <Celestar> hm?
15:24:14  <Celestar> WATER is a subset of LIQUIDS
15:24:53  <Celestar> glx: http://www.fvfischer.de/CC.diff <= this looks reasonable for you?
15:25:30  <Celestar> s/for/to
15:25:31  <Celestar> :o
15:26:06  <glx> for me it is
15:26:26  <Celestar> in the sense that it doesn't change anything I mean
15:26:49  <glx> yes it should do the same while being more generic :)
15:26:56  <Celestar> yes
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15:27:12  <Celestar> the question is, what happens, THEORETICALLY, if something is CC_PASSENGERS and CC_MAIL
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15:27:26  <Celestar> I should basically assert that this doesn't happen
15:27:33  <Celestar> or at least give a big big warning
15:30:07  <Celestar> Rubidium: the stuff in english.txt cannot be done differently because the stuff needs to be consecutive
15:30:38  <Celestar> Rubidium: and I don't feel cargodest is the right place to rewrite the "Advanced Settings" GUI :P
15:31:10  <glx> hmm I think we'll never see CC_PASSENGERS and CC_MAIL at the same time (as it has an influence on station type too)
15:31:28  <glx> Only cargos which are in class 0 (passengers) will appear in bus stations. Only cargos which are not in class 0 will appear in truck stations.
15:31:28  <Celestar> yeah
15:31:39  <Celestar> well.
15:31:51  <Celestar> what about CC_MAIL and CC_ARMOURED
15:31:54  <Celestar> :P
15:31:58  <Celestar> armored mail :P
15:32:15  <glx> that is allowed I think
15:33:25  <Celestar> ok.
15:33:28  <glx> like express refrigerated (food) and bulk refregirated (fruit)
15:33:47  <Celestar> is that armored mail or is that mailed valuables?
15:34:10  <Celestar> so what should take precedence?
15:34:33  <glx> can be both (depends on the grf author idea)
15:34:45  * Celestar shrugs
15:35:30  <petern> hmm?
15:36:26  <petern> replacing cs->town_effect with IsCargoInClass() is totally wrong
15:36:51  <Celestar> please elaborate
15:37:07  <petern> town_effect is there to specifically allowed modified cargos to behave in a certain way
15:38:27  <Celestar> TrueBrain: you're working on mapgen?
15:39:33  <TrueBrain> Celestar: yup
15:39:36  <TrueBrain> about time, not? :)
15:39:53  * Celestar nods
15:40:01  <Celestar> I want my southern Germany map
15:40:02  <Celestar> :P
15:40:05  <Celestar> that one's HARD
15:44:17  <TrueBrain> not as hard as fixing a 2 year old bug .. /me feels stupid
15:44:33  <TrueBrain> Feb 2007
15:44:38  <TrueBrain> so 22 months :p
15:44:50  <Celestar> heh
15:44:57  <Celestar> ok I'm outta here a bit
15:45:13  <Celestar> \o
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15:45:25  <TrueBrain> I made latitude corrections from left to right .. when it should be done from center to left AND right ..
15:45:25  <TrueBrain> grr
15:45:27  <TrueBrain> bye Celestar
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16:29:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14662 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
16:29:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-12-08 16:28:15
16:29:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 216 fixed, 14 changed by Frysl?5?2n Boppe (230)
16:29:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hebrew - 109 fixed, 2 changed by ybungalobill (111)
16:29:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changed by oklmernok (1)
16:30:01  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 115 fixed by adjayanto (59), fanioz (56)
16:30:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 24 fixed by Enternald (24)
16:36:32  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14663 /branches/noai/ (145 files in 18 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r14573:14662
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17:03:13  <Terkhen> good afternoon
17:03:30  <benjamingoodger> hello
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19:24:12  <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/177480 <-- any thoughts?
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19:53:46  <SmatZ> Celestar: cargodest doesn't compile for me for neither 2.95.3, 3.4.6, 4.3.2 ... maybe I have different version
19:53:49  <SmatZ> I get errors like
19:53:51  <SmatZ>  /openttd-exCargo/src/routing_classes.h:28:42: boost/graph/adjacency_list.hpp: No such file or directory
19:53:57  <SmatZ>  /openttd-cargodest/src/routing.cpp:108: error: 'CC_PASSENGERS' was not declared in this scope
19:56:07  <Aali> did you get the boost library? :P
19:57:25  <glx> SmatZ: he's not here
19:57:45  <glx> but I get the CC_* errors too
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20:04:28  <frosch123> looks like he can faster commit than his editor can save :)
20:07:56  <glx> that or he didn't compile before commit
20:08:17  <SmatZ> glx: I hardly ever meet Celestar here :(
20:08:21  <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/makeitcompile.diff <- works for me though
20:09:20  <frosch123> though 7940ecee9754 was not finished, it still uses town effect in some places
20:09:56  <planetmaker> g'evening :)
20:10:03  <SmatZ> hello Mr. planetmaker :)
20:10:17  <planetmaker> ha... my assumption seems right that you collect gcc, Mr. SmatZ :)
20:10:27  <SmatZ> :)
20:11:36  <yorick> Hello Mr. PlanetMaker
20:12:35  <planetmaker> hi yorick :)
20:13:09  <planetmaker> I haven't come to review the IS commit... too much to do these times :S
20:13:36  <SmatZ> frosch123: thanks, it helps :)
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20:33:52  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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21:01:34  <benjamingoodger> hello Nite_Owl
21:02:28  <SmatZ> planetmaker: glx: ok, cargodest with frosch123's patch compiles with gcc-2.95
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21:16:11  <planetmaker> now, that's good news :)
21:17:34  <SmatZ> :)
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22:47:45  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14664 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/run.sh: [NoAI] -Fix: disable game_start.scr script when running regression
22:50:12  <TrueBrain> laalla
22:50:22  <TrueBrain> damn .. I even mistype that :(
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23:11:43  <SmatZ> hmm I fell asleep, again... I should really be sleeping at night, not at this time :-x
23:12:07  <TrueBrain> hahahaha
23:12:08  <TrueBrain> poor SmatZ
23:12:10  <TrueBrain> go to bed :)
23:12:36  <SmatZ> I hope to go soon, thanks TrueBrain :)
23:13:14  <TrueBrain> I try to do some math at this hour
23:13:17  <TrueBrain> I kind of fail :p
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23:18:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> if this is not night... what is it then?
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23:18:46  <TrueBrain> left!
23:18:50  <thingwath> late evening?
23:19:00  <TrueBrain> oh .. I read 'right'
23:19:01  <TrueBrain> lol
23:19:58  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should sleep, too ;)
23:20:01  <Eddi|zuHause> or get glasses :p
23:20:03  <TrueBrain> yes :p
23:20:08  <TrueBrain> but I ordered food
23:20:10  <TrueBrain> an other 40 minutes ;)
23:20:30  <thingwath> or choose better font
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23:21:44  <Rubidium> or replace your text lexer/parser with a less greedy one ;)
23:21:52  <TrueBrain> acceptable
23:23:19  <thingwath> but most likely also a slower one
23:24:28  <TrueBrain> on the positive side, I just managed to generate a grid of 6000x6000 in a reasonable amount of time
23:24:49  <Andel> random Q: anyone here know of a reasonable usa proxy?
23:25:05  <TrueBrain> get a small VPS as some random provider :)
23:25:12  <TrueBrain> as = at
23:25:25  * Rubidium wonders why one would want a USA proxy
23:25:32  <Eddi|zuHause> what's on with you? in the last two days you revealed more information about mapgen than in the last 2 years togethe
23:25:33  <Eddi|zuHause> r
23:25:51  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: not really, 2 years ago I had images :)
23:26:00  <Andel> a small vps?
23:26:08  <Andel> and Rubidium: to watch us tv
23:26:13  <TrueBrain> lylix.net or so
23:26:15  <Eddi|zuHause> mh... i don't remember having seen those
23:26:18  <TrueBrain> then you can set up your own proxy
23:26:29  <Andel> good point
23:26:40  <TrueBrain> there were like 102 in the end :)
23:26:48  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but there still are images ;)
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23:27:09  <TrueBrain> not really, they didn't move to leaseweb ;)
23:27:12  <Rubidium> (if you know where to look)
23:27:23  <Rubidium> e.g. http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=63338
23:27:55  <TrueBrain> you need SSH access to view them now :)
23:28:04  <TrueBrain> ah, like that ;)
23:28:08  <Rubidium> though TTDP has now introduced their own heightmap format
23:28:21  <TrueBrain> damn, it still looks amazing :)
23:28:32  <TrueBrain> just clearly not-corrected for latitude problems
23:29:08  <Rubidium> there'll always be problems, unless OpenTTD becomes true 3D
23:29:08  <TrueBrain> ... let me guess ... not equal to ours?
23:29:20  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: ofcourse not
23:29:26  <Rubidium> though a reasonable simple format
23:29:55  <TrueBrain> there are problems, and clear errors :) The last image you pasted, is scaled wrongly on the x-scale
23:30:06  <TrueBrain> why not just PNG?
23:30:08  <TrueBrain> or BMP?
23:30:14  <TrueBrain> (like we do)
23:30:28  <Rubidium> because PNG/BMP is hard when you can just read the data directly
23:30:35  <TrueBrain> but okay, I want to extend the heighmap format anyway, to allow towns, roads, rivers, ..
23:30:46  <Rubidium> i.e. they have a 65536 bytes file with heights
23:31:05  <TrueBrain> heheheh
23:31:06  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I'd suggest PNG with layers for that
23:31:24  <TrueBrain> BMP at 4 bit would do the same, minus the header .. ;)
23:32:08  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I would suggest that myself too :)
23:32:14  <TrueBrain> as PNG allows any amount of layers :)
23:32:38  <Rubidium> and possibly the 'text' extension for town location data
23:33:12  <TrueBrain> I rather give the tiles which should become a town ;)
23:33:28  <TrueBrain> of course some auxilary data for the name of the towns ;)
23:34:03  <TrueBrain> but .. baby steps first :)
23:34:12  <Eddi|zuHause> easiest would be a 32 bit value for the name generator
23:34:17  <TrueBrain> currently it just loads height-info from the SRTM :p
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23:34:36  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no, you want custom names
23:34:37  <TrueBrain> like: London
23:34:58  <Eddi|zuHause> then provide an accompanying town name grf :p
23:35:19  <TrueBrain> why? :)
23:35:53  <Eddi|zuHause> encode the grf into the png :p
23:36:03  <TrueBrain> hehe
23:36:14  <TrueBrain> okay ... I need to see if the data in my buffer is anything real .. I need PNG output :)
23:37:47  <TrueBrain> 'gd' or 'libpng' .. hmm ..
23:38:11  <Rubidium> sdl!
23:39:16  <TrueBrain> I personally rather die
23:39:19  <TrueBrain> but that is just my person opinion :)
23:39:28  <Eddi|zuHause> leather whip...
23:39:30  <TrueBrain> (libSDL is such a pain in the ass for a library ... )
23:39:44  <Rubidium> oh bah... sdl only does loading
23:39:46  <Rubidium> how useless
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23:44:11  <TrueBrain> idiotic libpng, still using longjmp :(
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23:55:27  <TrueBrain> writing the image takes the longest .. pff ..
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23:55:41  <TrueBrain> wow .. the result is an ar on its own ..
23:56:46  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image001.png
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23:59:45  <SmatZ> nice, is that a fractal?

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