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00:00:33 <TrueBrain> haha, 'oops', I forgot to close my files after being done with them ... then after 1024 files ... you can't open any more files ;) 00:01:10 *** Sebbe [Sebbe@x1-6-00-16-41-59-ea-88.k332.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 00:02:20 <Eddi|zuHause> funny ;) 00:02:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226133125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:40 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:03:08 <TrueBrain> not if that just costs you 3 hours of CPU time :( 00:03:36 <TrueBrain> S010-W175.hmp: 10S by 175W, 6000 px, 1200 res; low: -5, high: 1854 00:03:36 <TrueBrain> N055-W170.hmp: 55N by 170W, 6000 px, 1200 res; low: -100, high: 2057 00:03:38 <TrueBrain> Yippie :) 00:03:51 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 00:04:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051101194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:05:42 <TrueBrain> lately I got a lot of 'love' emailed to me .. 00:05:47 <TrueBrain> oh wlel, it is better than viagra 00:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i never get spam :(( 00:06:46 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 00:07:00 <TrueBrain> go to the shop 00:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> in the last 7 years i had this email account, i got like 3 spam mails 00:07:23 <TrueBrain> is there a penalty (like burning his feet or something) for opening a 18 month old topic? 00:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "probieren geht ÃŒber studieren" 00:09:14 <TrueBrain> what is the highest point on earth? 00:09:42 <glx> everest should be 00:09:47 <TrueBrain> in meters :) 00:10:22 <SmatZ> 8848, or 8850 00:10:23 <glx> fr.wiki says 8844m 00:10:24 <Eddi|zuHause> 8848m 00:10:31 <SmatZ> depends when it was measured 00:10:39 <TrueBrain> k, tnx 00:10:44 <TrueBrain> (sorry, too lazy to fire up firefox :p 00:10:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i learned 00:10:53 <SmatZ> eg. I was teched it is 8848, my younger brother was teached 8850m 00:10:53 <TrueBrain> and how 00:11:07 <TrueBrain> measuring things in height is tricky on its own :) 00:11:20 <TrueBrain> nevertheless, order of magnitude 9000, fine by me :) 00:11:29 <thingwath> depends 00:11:30 <thingwath> The point farthest from the Earth's centre is widely reported to be the summit of Chimborazo (due to the Earth not being a perfect sphere), at 6,384.4 km (3,967 mi). 00:11:34 <thingwath> says wiki. 00:11:41 <thingwath> ;-) 00:11:54 <TrueBrain> and .... that has what to do with the highest point? 00:11:54 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody cares about earth center 00:12:10 * SmatZ cares 00:12:12 <Eddi|zuHause> height is measured relative to earth surface 00:12:19 <TrueBrain> as long as it rotates, it is fine by me :p 00:12:27 <SmatZ> relative to sea level 00:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause> (as an idealised regular object) 00:12:32 <TrueBrain> else we just create some kind of material that gets harder when it gets hotter ... 00:12:41 <TrueBrain> and we get DC voltage by putting 2 cables on either side of our cabine! 00:12:42 <TrueBrain> YEAH! 00:12:44 <glx> sea level is variable 00:13:15 <TrueBrain> and indeed, sea level is used 00:13:33 <TrueBrain> Anyone knows the coordinates of Everest? 00:13:39 <TrueBrain> glx: really? :p :p :) 00:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that one i really did not memorise :p 00:14:26 * glx starts google earth 00:15:33 <TrueBrain> 27°59?17?N 86°55?31?E? / ?27.98806, 86.92528 00:15:36 <TrueBrain> I had to start firefox for that :( 00:16:30 <TrueBrain> okay, that is within my dataset .. :) Tnx guys! 00:20:28 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 00:21:59 *** Jolteon [~Jolteon@5ad420ee.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 00:25:49 <TrueBrain> the SRTM survey has it on 8806 meters .. but that is the average height of 0.3 arcsec square 00:31:46 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 00:38:13 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:16 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:02 *** vraa [~vraa@h178.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:41:12 <TrueBrain> night all 00:41:17 *** vraa [~vraa@h36.227.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77756.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-148-143.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:09:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-100-155.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:20 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 01:09:35 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [] 01:19:19 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-31-20.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:09 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:25 *** sunkan [sunkan@sunkan.bsnet.se] has joined #openttd 01:22:50 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-28-215.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:24 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 01:38:18 *** snorre_ [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:27 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:52 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet602.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:35 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:38:51 *** nicfer [~nicfer@ulmo.lysator.liu.se] has joined #openttd 02:44:54 <nicfer> Any progress on the 16 companies patch? 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Guess not.] 08:37:44 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 09:04:30 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F5F6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:15:17 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 09:18:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:48:44 <Celestar> morning \o 09:49:19 <Forked> greetings, sir 09:49:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:03:05 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B804FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:12:20 *** Zorni [zorn@e177225106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:06 <Celestar> hm... 10:45:44 <Rubidium> Celestar: http://rbijker.net/openttd/cargop.diff 10:46:06 <Rubidium> and maybe when you've handled those comments ask TB for a run of the compile farm so people can test the new version 10:46:25 <Rubidium> and if that doesn't yield big problems merge somewhere begin next week? 10:49:04 * Forked does a dance 10:50:42 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:51:03 <ccfreak2k> What if it does cause big problems? 10:51:47 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:53:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 10:53:54 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-150-1-27.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:54 <petern> then it gets merged anyway and you personally have to pick up the pieces! 10:54:54 <Forked> mmm cargodest in trunk mmmmm 10:56:06 <Gekz> petern: you know things 10:56:16 <Gekz> "- Environment and boundaries (scope of project on a DFD diagram)" 10:56:21 <Gekz> what do I have to do here? 11:00:02 <ccfreak2k> Is cargodest anything like paxdest? 11:00:27 <Rubidium> no 11:06:47 <petern> a what? 11:13:57 <Celestar> Rubidium: roger 11:16:24 <Celestar> who was our gcc 2.95.3 guy? TrueBrain ? 11:17:35 <blathijs> Wasn't that tokai? For MorphOS? 11:17:53 <petern> that's more likely to be gcc 0.1 :P 11:19:48 <Celestar> :P 11:25:20 <Celestar> Rubidium: about that "front_v" instead of "u" thingy. Got no problem doing it, but that's the way it is in trunk 11:25:31 <Celestar> Rubidium: I just moved the declaration 11:25:46 <Celestar> cancel last statement :P 11:26:08 <Celestar> in many functions we have "u" as the first vehicle in the chain. Which is prolly a stupid thing anyway 11:29:52 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:29:58 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has quit [] 11:36:46 <petern> not really 11:37:03 <petern> usually it's just a way to iterate a chain without clobbering v 11:37:28 <Celestar> :D 11:38:39 <Sacro> bored(sacro). 11:38:55 <Celestar> give(sacro, book) 11:39:10 <Celestar> take(sacro, book) 11:39:16 <Celestar> share_with(sacro, &work) 11:41:26 <Sacro> mmm 11:41:32 <Sacro> exam(prolog, failed). 11:45:05 <Celestar> uh_oh 11:46:16 <Celestar> bah 11:46:20 <Celestar> I hate dependency mess 11:46:38 *** treve [~treve@83.101.38.102] has joined #openttd 11:47:03 <Sacro> nah 11:47:05 <treve> hi, any dutch guys here 11:47:31 <Celestar> ? 11:47:51 <treve> any 1 here that can speak dutch? 11:48:16 <treve> because i have a small problem, but its going to be hard for me to do it in english 11:48:21 * Celestar looks in the direction of Rubidium and TrueBrain 11:49:09 <treve> i am running a server, and i would like to run some irc bot on it 11:49:18 <treve> but totaly suck at it 11:49:22 <Celestar> autopilot? 11:49:27 <treve> yeah 11:49:39 <treve> but i dont understand the websites 11:49:56 <treve> so i am looking for a steph by steph help from some1 11:50:11 <treve> and thats hard to find these days ;) 11:50:40 <treve> i am also noob in mirc 11:51:29 <treve> any 1? 11:51:39 <Celestar> I dunno mirc 11:52:03 <treve> irc client? 11:52:32 <Celestar> yeah 11:52:34 <Celestar> but it's on windows 11:52:44 <treve> :s 11:52:47 <Celestar> and I haven't touched that in a decade (= 11:53:00 <treve> i am just wondering what to do to run something like autopilot on my server... 11:54:51 <Celestar> I really dunno on windows 11:55:10 <Celestar> but you might want to wait for Brianetta, he might be able to help 11:55:21 <Sacro> brian's server is linux 11:56:07 <Celestar> but he knows about five orders of magnitude more about autopilot than I do 11:58:31 <treve> daim windows : 11:58:33 <treve> :p 11:58:40 <treve> shoot bill 11:59:37 <treve> or... are there some other scripts that are able to remember some players, and there cash, comp value, points earning system etc...? 12:00:03 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 12:00:27 <treve> any servers-hosters here (windows)??? 12:00:39 <treve> with some scripts or boths on the server? 12:02:46 <treve> where can i obtain autopilot? 12:09:54 <Celestar> let's see 12:10:15 <Celestar> dihedral: you there? 12:11:22 <treve> bad hour 12:11:36 <Forked> http://svn.dihedral.de/listing.php?repname=OpenTTD.autopilot&path=%2F&sc=0 (googled) 12:11:43 <treve> als see www.openttd.webs.com my free site 12:11:59 <treve> about the server, but its no fun without ranking and stuff 12:12:54 <Celestar> Rubidium: so basically we drop all the _t ? 12:14:43 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 12:15:16 <planetmaker> [12:53] <treve> i am just wondering what to do to run something like autopilot on my server... <--- you need a fitting version of TCL. And the possibility to run screen helps A LOT 12:15:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:30 <planetmaker> whether that's possible on windows... who knows. 12:15:41 <planetmaker> maybe by means of cygwin. 12:16:36 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has quit [] 12:16:56 <Celestar> "GNU Screen is now an official Cygwin package" 12:16:58 <treve> :s 12:17:09 <treve> whats tcl 12:17:19 <planetmaker> scripting language 12:17:20 <treve> and how i know i have a fitting version 12:17:30 <planetmaker> by reading the ap+ documentation. 12:17:52 <treve> i am reading something... from that link 12:18:00 <planetmaker> some 7.x and 8.0 will probably do. Butafaik not every 7.x. 12:18:33 <treve> so i need to go find tcl 8.0? 12:18:55 <planetmaker> well. Would be worth a try :) 12:19:20 <planetmaker> oh... maybe it was 8.x instead of 7.x - dunno.. 12:19:35 <planetmaker> http://openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot 12:20:23 <planetmaker> read especially the (short) section on windows. 12:21:40 <treve> it is unfortunate that its Expect package is unable to take control over a Windows based openttd dedicated server without modification of the latter 12:21:50 <treve> dont like that :D 12:22:02 <planetmaker> get a OS :) 12:22:08 <treve> :p 12:23:02 <treve> is there also an option/possibility/command to let the server reconnect/advertise again? 12:23:14 <planetmaker> http://openttdcoop.org/wiki/Autopilot/ap%2B <-- the newest version 12:23:29 <planetmaker> afaik not automatically. 12:23:44 <treve> because i have alot of internet breakdowns, and it takes alot of time to re-advertise auto 12:24:01 <treve> its getting my clients away :p 12:24:29 <Forked> You want to host a server on an unstable connection? :\ 12:24:37 <TrueBrain> I wouldn't want to join a server which has a lot of internet breakdowns .. dunno .. sounds bad 12:24:48 <TrueBrain> morning all 12:24:58 <treve> i know, i want a stable connection :p 12:25:02 <Celestar> \o TrueBrain 12:25:12 <planetmaker> :D 12:25:16 <TrueBrain> or let others do the hosting 12:25:34 <TrueBrain> like we say: yeah, we had to cut costs, so we put openttd.org on a home connection .. it is online 90% of the time!!! :s 12:25:55 <planetmaker> :S 12:26:26 <planetmaker> sounds like a bad plan... :) reliability of openttd is quite nice as it is :) 12:27:21 <TrueBrain> hehehe :) 12:27:24 <TrueBrain> I wasn't planning to ;) 12:27:32 <planetmaker> :) 12:27:33 <TrueBrain> we have 1500 binary downloads a day .. not bad :) 12:27:45 <planetmaker> wow, that's quite impressive. 12:27:55 <treve> what can i download with nntp? 12:28:00 <treve> stuff on newsgroups? 12:28:01 <planetmaker> a decent user base for such a "old" game :) 12:28:13 <treve> openttd stuff on newsgroups? 12:28:15 <TrueBrain> 90% of that are windows binaries :p 12:28:34 <planetmaker> well... that doesn't matter... *nix compile themselves ;) 12:29:01 <planetmaker> treve: http://www.google.de/search?q=nntp&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a 12:29:09 <TrueBrain> the weekends there are more users :) 12:29:23 <TrueBrain> most *nix get their binaries from their repos, so we don't register those ... 12:29:40 <TrueBrain> we should make a backdoor register protocol, to count the active clients ;) 12:29:45 <TrueBrain> like 'auto-updater' 12:29:54 <TrueBrain> (most software 'abuse' that to count how many clients there are active on a given week) 12:29:57 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: initially... but any guestimate how many come here to obtain a (newer) version? 12:30:22 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: you just would need to call it differently. 12:30:33 <TrueBrain> how do you mean? 12:30:35 <planetmaker> Something along the lines of "improved quality of service" 12:30:45 <Celestar> BAH. 12:30:48 <planetmaker> spying is so... perjorative ;) 12:30:51 <TrueBrain> hehe 12:30:53 <Celestar> can't call a class "Routing" apparently 12:30:55 <TrueBrain> Celestar: bless you 12:31:26 <TrueBrain> anyway, we started recording downloads from the moment we moved to LeaseWeb 12:31:34 <TrueBrain> we hit the 1M downloads somewhere last month 12:32:14 <planetmaker> that's impressive... you moved... some half year ago, or so, right? 12:32:14 <TrueBrain> euh, 100k 12:32:15 <TrueBrain> lol 12:32:21 <planetmaker> anyway :) 12:32:27 <TrueBrain> stats start at 2008-09-14 12:32:51 <TrueBrain> so yeah .. a pretty active game :p Haha :) 12:32:52 <planetmaker> any public stats? In order to satisfy now emerging curiosity? 12:33:27 <Sacro> you put your emerging curiosity away 12:33:39 <TrueBrain> the stats page is still on the test-www .. I guess it can be moved to the public one .. 12:34:05 <planetmaker> :) 12:37:31 <TrueBrain> Celestar: nasty restriction ... :s 12:40:08 <Ammler> Heya TrueBrain, as you speak about clients, any chance of providing dedicated builds? 12:42:04 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 12:42:09 <treve> planetmaker, why that last link 12:42:19 <treve> to nntp 12:42:23 <treve> i use it all the time 12:42:34 <treve> but not for messages 12:42:38 <TrueBrain> Ammler: dedicated builds for what? 12:42:50 <TrueBrain> the download counter for any dedicated build we ever had was VERY close to 0 ... 12:42:56 <Ammler> I meant builds for dedicated server :-) 12:43:16 <planetmaker> treve: you've been asking about nntp... 12:43:31 <TrueBrain> and the difference is .. what? 12:43:36 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has quit [] 12:43:49 <Ammler> you could use them without SDL 12:44:49 <TrueBrain> I have no clue what Ammler is rambling about, and I guess he doesn't understand he needs to explain it in a different way :) Oh well ;) 12:44:57 <planetmaker> Ammler: rather than dedicated builds I'd like him merge cargodest and noai into trunk ;) 12:45:30 <TrueBrain> I think I will be killed on sight 12:45:31 <TrueBrain> ;) 12:45:37 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I think it means: if you run a server w/o sdl, you currently are in need of compiling yourself... 12:45:48 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: well, then better refrain from merging it - for now ;) 12:45:58 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: yup, you are :) 12:46:05 <TrueBrain> as I said: 12:46:05 <TrueBrain> [13:42] <TrueBrain> the download counter for any dedicated build we ever had was VERY close to 0 ... 12:46:18 <planetmaker> :P 12:46:27 <TrueBrain> I value my life, yes, thank you :)\ 12:47:23 <planetmaker> so... before doing that, get your asbesthos clothes - then you can survive the subsequent flame war ;) 12:47:34 <TrueBrain> (did I just degrate most OpenTTD developer to a bunch of babarics? :)) 12:47:42 <planetmaker> :D 12:48:03 <TrueBrain> haha :) 12:49:04 <Ammler> TrueBrain: the reason is/was, that you mostly patch a server. 12:49:27 <Ammler> but at least we wouldn't ;-) 12:49:59 <TrueBrain> not really 12:50:07 <TrueBrain> more that most repos systems didn't had it anyway 12:50:13 <TrueBrain> and either you compile stuff yourself, or you use your repos 12:50:24 <TrueBrain> for linux a _VERY_ limited group downloads from our website 12:50:38 <Ammler> we do all the time... 12:50:49 <Ammler> nightlies 12:52:04 <Ammler> was there ever stable dedicated builds? 12:52:35 <Ammler> so you can't really know, there is no interests. 12:53:36 <TrueBrain> I am glad you can answer for us 12:53:42 <TrueBrain> makes my life so much easier :) 12:54:39 <TrueBrain> in the 3 months we no longer have dedicated builds you are the first (!) person to ask .. what a usergroup we have for dedicated builds ... waste of CPU time 12:54:57 <petern> heh 12:55:10 <petern> dedicated builds for releases seems reasonable 12:55:21 <petern> but not nightlies 12:55:34 <TrueBrain> petern: the download counter for those was stuck as 1 12:55:42 <Ammler> petern: there was never ded builds for stabels, afaik 12:56:02 <petern> stabels? 12:57:57 <TrueBrain> dedicated builds were never published on SF 12:58:01 <Ammler> oh well, I got my answer. ;-) 12:58:01 <TrueBrain> so there is something to say for that 12:58:10 <TrueBrain> still I doubt it will ever get any sane userbase :p 12:58:21 <TrueBrain> (as again, linux systems tend to either use their own repos, or compile it ..) 12:58:35 <TrueBrain> I will schedule some dedicated builds for the next stable release, then we can see ;) 13:00:13 <petern> :D 13:02:02 <Ammler> there should be a way to see, if there are unpatched server running... 13:02:41 <TrueBrain> yeah, that are those without an 'M' at the end 13:02:56 <Ammler> lol 13:03:06 <petern> :) 13:03:43 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: is there actually another way to see whether the source was patched than the 'M' of the version string? 13:04:01 <planetmaker> I mean... the 'M' is not really a fail-save indicator... 13:04:07 <planetmaker> :D 13:04:11 <TrueBrain> svn diff 13:04:35 <Celestar> TrueBrain: could you try to build the latest cargodest on a gcc 2.95.3? 13:04:35 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: well... that for sure :). 13:04:52 <TrueBrain> Celestar: not really ... I think we currently don't have a gcc 2.95.3 ready anywhere .. 13:04:53 <planetmaker> I prefer hg diff meanwhile ;) 13:05:42 <Celestar> TrueBrain: know anyone who a) needs it and/or b) could try it? 13:06:00 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: fair enough :) 13:06:01 <planetmaker> doesn't SmatZ have a collection of antique gccs? 13:06:06 <TrueBrain> tokai :) 13:06:23 <Celestar> tokai: SmatZ: can any of you try to build cargodest (latest hg) on gcc 2.95.3 ? 13:06:25 <TrueBrain> but I guess we need to start up a MorphOS VM sooner or later, so I might find time this week or so to create it .. 13:06:50 <TrueBrain> then again .. I also still need several OSX libraries .. but Bjarni seems to have gone up in smoke :( 13:07:14 <petern> he's not the only OS X user 13:07:21 <petern> unfortunately 13:07:25 <Celestar> lol 13:07:41 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: btw, any other method to register code changes is very useless in the Open Source world. If the initial attempt doesn't detect correctly .. it is not really needed to try any other method :) 13:07:53 <TrueBrain> petern: but sadly enough, he was the only one understanding how to give universal libraries :) 13:08:52 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:10:27 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:11:04 <petern> i think that was more of a fluke :p 13:12:06 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has quit [] 13:20:28 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:35:10 *** ecke [~ecke@pc149-233.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 13:36:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:55 <planetmaker> [14:07] <TrueBrain> planetmaker: btw, any other method to register code changes is very useless in the Open Source world. If the initial attempt doesn't detect correctly .. it is not really needed to try any other method :) <-- I was rather thinking of something which still persists even if configure --revision=rXYZAB 13:39:18 <planetmaker> but I guess that's rather pointless. 13:39:46 <TrueBrain> for the same reason, yes :) 13:41:35 <TrueBrain> for more info on such techniques, I would like to refer to bzFlags :) 13:41:45 <TrueBrain> they did a lot to prevent cheating clients .. in the end .. it is useless, as it is still possible :) 13:41:53 <TrueBrain> (any and all protections you can avoid, as it is open source :)) 13:42:03 <TrueBrain> (well, I even did it for closed source projects, but okay) 13:42:08 <petern> let's build in drm! 13:42:39 <TrueBrain> hahahahaha :) 13:42:45 <TrueBrain> crazy person :) 13:42:47 <Sacro> D: 13:42:53 <Sacro> openttd 13:43:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.200] has joined #openttd 13:43:19 <TrueBrain> it is open, after activation! :P 13:43:31 <TrueBrain> and you need to sign a NDA if you want to look at the source! :p 13:44:13 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:47:01 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 13:52:24 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FA89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:25 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:27 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:01:38 <Celestar> :P 14:01:53 * Celestar wonders what NDA TrueBrain's Brain is under :P 14:04:47 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: jepjep] 14:07:19 <TrueBrain> I wonder that myself too :( 14:09:33 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:10:36 <TrueBrain> hmm .. snow ... 14:10:44 <Sacro> hmm, pasties 14:12:42 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:15:48 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-85-75.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 14:17:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet602.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:22:06 <treve> any dutch guys here yet? 14:22:25 <TrueBrain> nah 14:22:27 <TrueBrain> we tend to hide 14:22:59 <treve> you dutch? 14:23:30 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:23:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:23:32 * TrueBrain hides 14:23:35 <TrueBrain> welcome back Belugas :) 14:24:02 <Belugas> hello :) 14:24:09 <Belugas> lost a physical drive 14:24:25 <Belugas> always nice on a monday 14:24:38 <TrueBrain> that sucks ... 14:24:43 <Belugas> and it is COLD outside 14:24:49 <Belugas> -18 this morning 14:24:50 <TrueBrain> I hope you have backups :) 14:24:55 * TrueBrain loves cold :) 14:24:55 <Belugas> yes 14:25:01 <TrueBrain> that is _very_ cold ;) 14:25:10 <Belugas> and it seems the dive just had a loose connection 14:25:13 <Belugas> yup, it is 14:25:26 <Belugas> my son almost refured to go to school heeh 14:26:56 <TrueBrain> can you blame him? :) 14:27:43 <thingwath> I want -18 too :-/ 14:29:31 <planetmaker> open the freezer's door, step in, close from inside. 14:30:39 <Belugas> no, TrueBrain, i caqnnot blame him at all. I was not in a mood to go back in the office either ;) 14:30:39 <thingwath> I will not fit in. 14:30:39 <TrueBrain> oeh, can I do that? 14:30:39 <Belugas> but that's for other reasons :D 14:31:35 <planetmaker> thingwath: then add a step at the beginning: get bigger freezer ;) 14:32:32 <thingwath> I would not have enough place for such a freezer :o) 14:32:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051101194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:22 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:36:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:54 <Celestar> SUCKS 14:37:27 <Celestar> thingwath: me too, I want -18 ... % taxes 14:38:37 <thingwath> try the freezer :-) 14:39:58 <TrueBrain> you find taxes there? 14:40:06 * TrueBrain starts to dail 911 .. 14:40:10 <TrueBrain> dial 14:44:29 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 14:46:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:46:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:52:39 <Celestar> \o glx 14:54:17 <glx> o/ 14:55:02 <Celestar> glx: could you please try the latest cargodest on your various windows compilers? thanks. 14:55:28 <glx> ok 15:04:32 <glx> Celestar: both compiled 15:04:35 <Celestar> awesome 15:04:39 <Celestar> warnings? 15:04:44 <glx> same as trunk 15:04:48 <Celestar> k 15:04:51 <Celestar> even better 15:08:50 *** treve [~treve@83.101.38.102] has left #openttd [] 15:13:11 <Celestar> petern: In [cargodest] src/routing.cpp:134, would it be possible to use the "armored cargo type" instead of CT_GOLD? 15:15:59 <glx> why not use CargoClass ? 15:16:05 <TrueBrain> @calc 96.39 / 55.65 15:16:05 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1.7320754717 15:16:34 <Celestar> glx: elaborate? 15:16:54 <glx> "armored" is a cargo class (CC_ARMOURED) 15:17:20 <Celestar> that's what I was talking bout ;) 15:17:24 <glx> but many cargo types can have the same class 15:17:35 <Celestar> that's the idea (= 15:17:51 <Celestar> so why isn't the "class" variable enummed? 15:17:57 <Celestar> classes* 15:18:26 <glx> it is, in newgrf_cargo.h:12 15:19:12 <Celestar> yeah, but the member of cargospec isn't 15:19:18 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:39 <glx> CC are flags 15:19:42 <Celestar> glx: so anything that is TE_PASSENGERS is CC_PASSENGERS as well normally? (also for games without newcargos) 15:22:41 <glx> array in cargo_const.h tends to say that 15:23:06 <glx> but it's not true for TE_WATER and CC_LIQUID 15:23:23 <TrueBrain> I finally (after 2 years or so) understand why my mapgen always produces wrong images :) hahahaha :) 15:23:26 <TrueBrain> oh boy .. this is silly :) 15:24:00 <Celestar> hm? 15:24:14 <Celestar> WATER is a subset of LIQUIDS 15:24:53 <Celestar> glx: http://www.fvfischer.de/CC.diff <= this looks reasonable for you? 15:25:30 <Celestar> s/for/to 15:25:31 <Celestar> :o 15:26:06 <glx> for me it is 15:26:26 <Celestar> in the sense that it doesn't change anything I mean 15:26:49 <glx> yes it should do the same while being more generic :) 15:26:56 <Celestar> yes 15:27:10 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:27:12 <Celestar> the question is, what happens, THEORETICALLY, if something is CC_PASSENGERS and CC_MAIL 15:27:16 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 15:27:26 <Celestar> I should basically assert that this doesn't happen 15:27:33 <Celestar> or at least give a big big warning 15:30:07 <Celestar> Rubidium: the stuff in english.txt cannot be done differently because the stuff needs to be consecutive 15:30:38 <Celestar> Rubidium: and I don't feel cargodest is the right place to rewrite the "Advanced Settings" GUI :P 15:31:10 <glx> hmm I think we'll never see CC_PASSENGERS and CC_MAIL at the same time (as it has an influence on station type too) 15:31:28 <glx> Only cargos which are in class 0 (passengers) will appear in bus stations. Only cargos which are not in class 0 will appear in truck stations. 15:31:28 <Celestar> yeah 15:31:39 <Celestar> well. 15:31:51 <Celestar> what about CC_MAIL and CC_ARMOURED 15:31:54 <Celestar> :P 15:31:58 <Celestar> armored mail :P 15:32:15 <glx> that is allowed I think 15:33:25 <Celestar> ok. 15:33:28 <glx> like express refrigerated (food) and bulk refregirated (fruit) 15:33:47 <Celestar> is that armored mail or is that mailed valuables? 15:34:10 <Celestar> so what should take precedence? 15:34:33 <glx> can be both (depends on the grf author idea) 15:34:45 * Celestar shrugs 15:35:30 <petern> hmm? 15:36:26 <petern> replacing cs->town_effect with IsCargoInClass() is totally wrong 15:36:51 <Celestar> please elaborate 15:37:07 <petern> town_effect is there to specifically allowed modified cargos to behave in a certain way 15:38:27 <Celestar> TrueBrain: you're working on mapgen? 15:39:33 <TrueBrain> Celestar: yup 15:39:36 <TrueBrain> about time, not? :) 15:39:53 * Celestar nods 15:40:01 <Celestar> I want my southern Germany map 15:40:02 <Celestar> :P 15:40:05 <Celestar> that one's HARD 15:44:17 <TrueBrain> not as hard as fixing a 2 year old bug .. /me feels stupid 15:44:33 <TrueBrain> Feb 2007 15:44:38 <TrueBrain> so 22 months :p 15:44:50 <Celestar> heh 15:44:57 <Celestar> ok I'm outta here a bit 15:45:13 <Celestar> \o 15:45:14 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:45:25 <TrueBrain> I made latitude corrections from left to right .. when it should be done from center to left AND right .. 15:45:25 <TrueBrain> grr 15:45:27 <TrueBrain> bye Celestar 15:46:32 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:57 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER GO... 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19:27:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:53:46 <SmatZ> Celestar: cargodest doesn't compile for me for neither 2.95.3, 3.4.6, 4.3.2 ... maybe I have different version 19:53:49 <SmatZ> I get errors like 19:53:51 <SmatZ> /openttd-exCargo/src/routing_classes.h:28:42: boost/graph/adjacency_list.hpp: No such file or directory 19:53:57 <SmatZ> /openttd-cargodest/src/routing.cpp:108: error: 'CC_PASSENGERS' was not declared in this scope 19:56:07 <Aali> did you get the boost library? :P 19:57:25 <glx> SmatZ: he's not here 19:57:45 <glx> but I get the CC_* errors too 19:58:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:58:46 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:28 <frosch123> looks like he can faster commit than his editor can save :) 20:07:56 <glx> that or he didn't compile before commit 20:08:17 <SmatZ> glx: I hardly ever meet Celestar here :( 20:08:21 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/makeitcompile.diff <- works for me though 20:09:20 <frosch123> though 7940ecee9754 was not finished, it still uses town effect in some places 20:09:56 <planetmaker> g'evening :) 20:10:03 <SmatZ> hello Mr. planetmaker :) 20:10:17 <planetmaker> ha... my assumption seems right that you collect gcc, Mr. SmatZ :) 20:10:27 <SmatZ> :) 20:11:36 <yorick> Hello Mr. PlanetMaker 20:12:35 <planetmaker> hi yorick :) 20:13:09 <planetmaker> I haven't come to review the IS commit... too much to do these times :S 20:13:36 <SmatZ> frosch123: thanks, it helps :) 20:20:30 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1CDE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:21:37 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1CDE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:21:50 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1CDE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CB43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:04 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 20:33:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:52 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:35:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd9e0.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:34 <benjamingoodger> hello Nite_Owl 21:02:28 <SmatZ> planetmaker: glx: ok, cargodest with frosch123's patch compiles with gcc-2.95 21:07:58 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:11 <planetmaker> now, that's good news :) 21:17:34 <SmatZ> :) 21:20:04 *** rubyruy [~ruy@24.86.243.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:11 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:45 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-85-75.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.138] has joined #openttd 21:43:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-80-251.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:16:19 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FA89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:37:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:38:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.138] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:38:24 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-60-185.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:47:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14664 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/run.sh: [NoAI] -Fix: disable game_start.scr script when running regression 22:50:12 <TrueBrain> laalla 22:50:22 <TrueBrain> damn .. I even mistype that :( 22:52:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:14 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77C21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:56 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 22:57:51 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 22:57:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:48 *** Terkhen [~ircap@191.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 23:11:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:28 *** vraa [~vraa@h36.227.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:43 <SmatZ> hmm I fell asleep, again... I should really be sleeping at night, not at this time :-x 23:12:07 <TrueBrain> hahahaha 23:12:08 <TrueBrain> poor SmatZ 23:12:10 <TrueBrain> go to bed :) 23:12:36 <SmatZ> I hope to go soon, thanks TrueBrain :) 23:13:14 <TrueBrain> I try to do some math at this hour 23:13:17 <TrueBrain> I kind of fail :p 23:16:27 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 23:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> if this is not night... what is it then? 23:18:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:18:46 <TrueBrain> left! 23:18:50 <thingwath> late evening? 23:19:00 <TrueBrain> oh .. I read 'right' 23:19:01 <TrueBrain> lol 23:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should sleep, too ;) 23:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> or get glasses :p 23:20:03 <TrueBrain> yes :p 23:20:08 <TrueBrain> but I ordered food 23:20:10 <TrueBrain> an other 40 minutes ;) 23:20:30 <thingwath> or choose better font 23:20:39 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F5F6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:21:44 <Rubidium> or replace your text lexer/parser with a less greedy one ;) 23:21:52 <TrueBrain> acceptable 23:23:19 <thingwath> but most likely also a slower one 23:24:28 <TrueBrain> on the positive side, I just managed to generate a grid of 6000x6000 in a reasonable amount of time 23:24:49 <Andel> random Q: anyone here know of a reasonable usa proxy? 23:25:05 <TrueBrain> get a small VPS as some random provider :) 23:25:12 <TrueBrain> as = at 23:25:25 * Rubidium wonders why one would want a USA proxy 23:25:32 <Eddi|zuHause> what's on with you? in the last two days you revealed more information about mapgen than in the last 2 years togethe 23:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> r 23:25:51 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: not really, 2 years ago I had images :) 23:26:00 <Andel> a small vps? 23:26:08 <Andel> and Rubidium: to watch us tv 23:26:13 <TrueBrain> lylix.net or so 23:26:15 <Eddi|zuHause> mh... i don't remember having seen those 23:26:18 <TrueBrain> then you can set up your own proxy 23:26:29 <Andel> good point 23:26:40 <TrueBrain> there were like 102 in the end :) 23:26:48 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: but there still are images ;) 23:27:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:09 <TrueBrain> not really, they didn't move to leaseweb ;) 23:27:12 <Rubidium> (if you know where to look) 23:27:23 <Rubidium> e.g. http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=63338 23:27:55 <TrueBrain> you need SSH access to view them now :) 23:28:04 <TrueBrain> ah, like that ;) 23:28:08 <Rubidium> though TTDP has now introduced their own heightmap format 23:28:21 <TrueBrain> damn, it still looks amazing :) 23:28:32 <TrueBrain> just clearly not-corrected for latitude problems 23:29:08 <Rubidium> there'll always be problems, unless OpenTTD becomes true 3D 23:29:08 <TrueBrain> ... let me guess ... not equal to ours? 23:29:20 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: ofcourse not 23:29:26 <Rubidium> though a reasonable simple format 23:29:55 <TrueBrain> there are problems, and clear errors :) The last image you pasted, is scaled wrongly on the x-scale 23:30:06 <TrueBrain> why not just PNG? 23:30:08 <TrueBrain> or BMP? 23:30:14 <TrueBrain> (like we do) 23:30:28 <Rubidium> because PNG/BMP is hard when you can just read the data directly 23:30:35 <TrueBrain> but okay, I want to extend the heighmap format anyway, to allow towns, roads, rivers, .. 23:30:46 <Rubidium> i.e. they have a 65536 bytes file with heights 23:31:05 <TrueBrain> heheheh 23:31:06 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I'd suggest PNG with layers for that 23:31:24 <TrueBrain> BMP at 4 bit would do the same, minus the header .. ;) 23:32:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I would suggest that myself too :) 23:32:14 <TrueBrain> as PNG allows any amount of layers :) 23:32:38 <Rubidium> and possibly the 'text' extension for town location data 23:33:12 <TrueBrain> I rather give the tiles which should become a town ;) 23:33:28 <TrueBrain> of course some auxilary data for the name of the towns ;) 23:34:03 <TrueBrain> but .. baby steps first :) 23:34:12 <Eddi|zuHause> easiest would be a 32 bit value for the name generator 23:34:17 <TrueBrain> currently it just loads height-info from the SRTM :p 23:34:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@86.27.148.143] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:34:36 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no, you want custom names 23:34:37 <TrueBrain> like: London 23:34:58 <Eddi|zuHause> then provide an accompanying town name grf :p 23:35:19 <TrueBrain> why? :) 23:35:53 <Eddi|zuHause> encode the grf into the png :p 23:36:03 <TrueBrain> hehe 23:36:14 <TrueBrain> okay ... I need to see if the data in my buffer is anything real .. I need PNG output :) 23:37:47 <TrueBrain> 'gd' or 'libpng' .. hmm .. 23:38:11 <Rubidium> sdl! 23:39:16 <TrueBrain> I personally rather die 23:39:19 <TrueBrain> but that is just my person opinion :) 23:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause> leather whip... 23:39:30 <TrueBrain> (libSDL is such a pain in the ass for a library ... ) 23:39:44 <Rubidium> oh bah... sdl only does loading 23:39:46 <Rubidium> how useless 23:41:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:41:40 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 23:44:11 <TrueBrain> idiotic libpng, still using longjmp :( 23:44:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CDE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:44 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:55:27 <TrueBrain> writing the image takes the longest .. pff .. 23:55:39 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179054176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:55:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051101194.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:55:40 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 23:55:41 <TrueBrain> wow .. the result is an ar on its own .. 23:56:46 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image001.png 23:59:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179054176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 23:59:45 <SmatZ> nice, is that a fractal?