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00:01:50 <WhiteRhino> Converting all my normal track to electric.. 00:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> takes not more than 5 mouse clicks and one keypress 00:05:39 <WhiteRhino> Also converting trains: one was 27 years old with a max life of 21 years. 00:07:01 <Wolf01> use autorenew 00:08:37 <WhiteRhino> That would have renewed it as the same engine, though, right? 00:08:47 <Aali> use autoreplace 00:12:08 <Wolf01> autoreplace do replace immediately at the first service, if you plan to use the vehicles for long time use autorenew and set autoreplace when you need to convert all your vehicles or a specific group 00:13:38 <Belugas> kittens will eventually grow big, like tigers! 00:14:15 <WhiteRhino> Almost two mil in new vehicles this year. Oy. 00:15:35 <Aali> if only I had two mil to spend on new vehicles.. 00:18:55 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:50 <WhiteRhino> I just sold five steel cars and accidentally bought four wood cars and wondered why they weren't moving steel. 00:26:26 * SpearmintRhino chases the other rhino 00:27:12 <WhiteRhino> Gah! *hides in a tree* 00:27:20 <SpearmintRhino> how clever... 00:27:26 <WhiteRhino> Damn skippy. 00:28:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: belugas * r14855 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Documentation: Apply some widget naming to the widget arrays. Based on Yorick's work 00:28:48 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B771F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:16 <TrueBrain> I am getting a bit over-rhino'd here .. 00:34:43 <Rubidium> there's one easily solution for that 00:34:51 <TrueBrain> KICKS! 00:34:54 <TrueBrain> yeah baby :) 00:34:58 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what are you doing up so late? :p 00:36:14 *** Woet [~woeterman@78-27-33-6.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 00:36:22 <Rubidium> being not able to sleep 00:36:25 <Woet> thanks Yexo and glx 00:36:26 <Woet> :p 00:36:39 * TrueBrain gives Rubidium a warm glass of milk 00:37:07 <glx> hmm why Woet ? 00:37:15 <Woet> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41290&p=754926#p754926 00:37:20 <Quaver> any germans awake in here? 00:37:24 <Woet> libSDL thing :p 00:37:24 <Rubidium> does receiving that milk require me getting out of bed? 00:37:28 <Quaver> have a bit of an odd question 00:37:34 <glx> ha ok :) 00:38:02 <Woet> glx, could I pm you for a minute? 00:38:06 <Rubidium> Quaver: only when Eddi's home ;) 00:38:16 <SpearmintRhino> zomg a Quaver 00:38:19 <Woet> nothing regarding support 00:38:30 <glx> if you want 00:38:42 <SpearmintRhino> Quaver: it's Eddi|zuHause that you want 00:38:55 <Quaver> SpearmintRhino: ... i'm not sure i like your new name as much as the old one 00:39:07 <SpearmintRhino> Quaver: pfft, i happen to find it amusing 00:39:07 <Quaver> Eddi|zuHause: don't suppose you're around are ya? ;) 00:39:34 <TrueBrain> Quaver: try it in english ;) 00:40:03 <WhiteRhino> Craaaap. 00:41:02 <Quaver> TrueBrain: Hmm? 00:41:04 <SpearmintRhino> Quaver: not sure where he is, not like him to have left 00:41:50 <Quaver> hrm. 00:42:06 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: 00:42:07 <TrueBrain> - cflags_makedep="` echo "$CFLAGS" | sed 's~ /~ -~g'`" 00:42:07 <TrueBrain> + cflags_makedep="` echo "$CFLAGS" | sed 's~ /~ -~g'` -I$(LANG_OBJS_DIR)" 00:42:18 <TrueBrain> that fixes a few Makedepend 'notfounds' (table/strings.h) 00:42:19 <TrueBrain> useful? 00:42:50 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 00:43:05 *** SpearmintRhino was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [get your nick back Sacro :)] 00:43:14 <WhiteRhino> *snickers* 00:43:41 <Wolf01> 'night 00:43:45 <WhiteRhino> Nighty. 00:43:47 <frosch123> sacro always looked liked sirkoz 00:43:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:43:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:58 <glx> too bad he still doesn't have auto rejoin 00:44:07 *** ecke_ [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 00:44:21 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: doesn't look bad to me 00:45:00 <glx> still it won't find system headers 00:45:11 <TrueBrain> no, that is a problem of makedepend in general 00:45:18 <Belugas> sacro is better than sirkoz, if you ask me... 00:45:18 <TrueBrain> it also shouldn't worry about those in my opinion .. 00:45:22 <TrueBrain> the changes of those changing ... 00:45:43 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DCAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:46:59 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ah, found it is a change at the wrong place :) 00:47:45 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 00:47:46 <Sacro> :( 00:48:17 <glx> you should really enable rejoin on kick :) 00:48:30 <TrueBrain> there :) 00:48:36 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14856 /trunk/Makefile.src.in: -Fix: allow 'makedepend' to find header files in the lang-obj-dir 00:48:56 <Sacro> glx: what irssi script is that? 00:49:02 <Sacro> i think i have irssi-scripts installed 00:49:11 <glx> ask google 00:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the occasion? 00:50:01 <glx> autorejoin.pl it seems 00:50:08 <TrueBrain> glx: don't give him ideas :( 00:50:15 <Sacro> ooh 00:50:24 <Sacro> there, loaded :D 00:50:38 <Sacro> KICK ME :D 00:50:39 <glx> TrueBrain: it's funnier to be able to kick him twice in row 00:50:49 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [requested] 00:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> fail. 00:50:57 <welshdragon> lol 00:50:58 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 00:51:00 <Sacro> that failed :( 00:51:01 <TrueBrain> now that is a failure :) 00:51:16 <welshdragon> @kick Sacro 00:51:49 *** welshdragon was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [as requested] 00:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> @neverkick TrueBrain 00:52:28 <DorpsGek> accepted 00:52:43 <glx> @neverkick glx 00:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> @praise dev-team 00:52:52 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 00:52:58 <welshdragon> intriguing.... 00:53:07 <Aali> @all glory to the hypnotoad 00:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of which... wasn't there supposed to be a third futurama movie? 00:53:39 <SmatZ> lol @ [01:50:50] *** Sacro has been kicked from the channel by DorpsGek (requested). 00:53:41 <Aali> i think so 00:53:56 <KenjiE20> third futurama movie? <- Bender's Big Game 00:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't that the second? 00:54:19 <KenjiE20> nope, Billion Backs was 2nd 00:54:34 <Eddi|zuHause> which was the first then? 00:54:40 <KenjiE20> Bender's Big Score 00:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... titles too similar... 00:55:14 <KenjiE20> yea, just ever so slightly confusing 00:55:21 <Sacro> Quaver: Eddi|zuHause is back :p 00:55:33 <Quaver> Sacro: I know :P 00:56:07 <KenjiE20> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Futurama_episodes#DVD_movies 00:56:26 <KenjiE20> looks like there'll be a fourth too \o/ 00:56:30 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14857 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/squirrel_export.awk: [NoAI] -Add: don't export functions which start with a _ 00:57:19 <welshdragon> i blame you lot for the fact i have the futurama theme song in my head 00:57:35 <KenjiE20> movie or tv version? 00:57:42 <welshdragon> tv version 00:57:53 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a difference? 00:58:04 <KenjiE20> yeah, the movie is slightly longer and has fancy effects 00:58:13 <KenjiE20> version* 00:58:55 <TrueBrain> freak 00:59:07 <KenjiE20> and? 00:59:19 <TrueBrain> conclusion, nothing else 00:59:52 <KenjiE20> pffft, I like me geek / freakness 00:59:56 <KenjiE20> my* 01:00:13 * Eddi|zuHause concludes KenjiE20 is the kind of geek that cracks the alien code in the beginning of the show before the show stops airing 01:00:30 <KenjiE20> actually, no 01:00:40 <KenjiE20> don't think I've cracked any of them 01:01:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14858 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [Squirrel] -Add: allow 'throwing' an error to resume the VM, and allow resuming from that state 01:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, there were those instances 01:02:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... one too many instances of "resume" 01:03:07 <Eddi|zuHause> possible causes: 1st "resume" should actually say "suspend" 01:03:50 <Sacro> Quaver: swannington has a level crossing, as does coalville D: 01:03:54 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: shit happens 01:04:25 <Quaver> Sacro: yes 01:05:19 <Sacro> Quaver: only a disused line though, not much uses it 01:05:25 <Sacro> hmm, swadlincote has sidings 01:05:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-514c191a.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14859 /branches/noai/ (18 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange (or so I hope): introduce a callback system in such way that the NoAI Framework no longer demands threads to work correctly (but for now it is still used) 01:07:43 <Quaver> Sacro: its just freight now, iirc 01:09:08 <WhiteRhino> Ooh, it's almost my in-game birthday. 01:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you were born in-game? 01:09:31 <WhiteRhino> I meant my birthday, but in-game time. 01:09:36 <SmatZ> hehe 01:09:45 <SmatZ> I loved when it happened in TTD 01:10:00 <SmatZ> I have several savegames (from different games) from that date :) 01:10:26 <frosch123> were you born in a train? and are wondering which? 01:10:34 <SmatZ> hehe 01:10:38 <SmatZ> no, I am just strange :) 01:10:53 <SmatZ> I also thought there will be monorails everywhere after 2000 01:11:11 <SmatZ> but there are still regular rails being built 01:11:31 <WhiteRhino> The reason I'm sitting on mil right now is because I love watching my trains go around. 01:11:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the cost of conversion is way too little in the game 01:11:56 <SmatZ> not talking about UFO:Enemy Unknown, or movie Demolition man... they were so wrong about their expectations :) 01:12:14 <WhiteRhino> *gasp* X-Com: Ufo Defense? >.> 01:12:16 <Eddi|zuHause> especially the difference between purchasing land early and purchasing land late in the game is not modelled right 01:13:17 <SmatZ> WhiteRhino: http://www.warphammer.net/imagenes/xcom_ufo_02.jpg this one :) 01:13:24 <frosch123> "13 monkeys" was nice 01:13:30 <frosch123> or 12? 01:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the profit vs. running costs is also way off 01:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> a big railway company should make only marginal profit 01:14:09 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: don't start talking about realism :) for more realistic running costs, you may use GRF sets 01:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> grfs don't help with the general model 01:14:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14860 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_controller.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix r14859: I just wanted revision 14860 to be mine 01:14:35 <WhiteRhino> Been wasting k a year because I forgot to convert two tunnels to electric. 01:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the running costs are still constant, so having 100 lines will give you 100 times the profit 01:15:12 <SmatZ> :) 01:15:24 <SmatZ> well 01:15:32 <SmatZ> you are right 01:15:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing that running costs change is the duration of the early game 01:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> before you earn so much money that you can't spend it anymore 01:16:15 <Eddi|zuHause> earning money should get _more_ difficult the more vehicles you have 01:16:49 <Aali> try playing 64x64 01:16:50 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14861 /branches/noai/ (bin/ai/regression/regression.nut src/ai/api/ai_object.cpp): [NoAI] -Change [API CHANGE]: set the default roadtype to INVALID. Set it yourself, or you won't be able to build any road-stuff!! (using AIRoad.SetCurrentRoadType()) (Yexo) 01:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a proposition about running costs being multiplied with a factor depending on vehicle count in the forum recently 01:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: 64x64 does not really fit my playing style 01:18:12 <WhiteRhino> Yeaaah, that's the one. The UFO dealy. 01:18:57 <Aali> but it does limit your abilities to make more money simply by setting up more routes 01:19:15 <Aali> as long as there's more cargo to transport, why shouldn't you be able to make more money? 01:19:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: but that is not what i meant. 01:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: the idea behind this is, the bigger your network, the higher your management overhead 01:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> this is absolutely not modeled in the game right now 01:20:16 <Aali> right 01:20:25 <Aali> that shouldn't affect running costs though 01:20:38 <JdGordon> if you disable the electric rails, do you still get the electric trains? or is the elctric rails ore than just looks 01:20:40 <Aali> paying maintenance for your infrastructure would be awesome though 01:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the running cost factor was an idea to model that 01:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> infrastructure maintenance is also not what i mean, because that would also be "constant" 01:21:14 <Eddi|zuHause> or "linear" 01:21:18 <Aali> JdGordon: electric rails are more than just eyecandy 01:21:31 <JdGordon> ok 01:21:34 <Aali> electric engines wont run without catenary 01:22:26 <WhiteRhino> It's sad when the only good thing on TV is Antiques Roadshow. 01:22:34 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: it doesn't make much sense to punish players for using alot of vehicles though 01:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> JdGordon: disabling electric rails makes it behave like the old game, so electrified trains exist, but they run on non-electrified tracks 01:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: yes, it does, it's called "game balance" 01:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't make sense to have players with more money than they can spend 01:23:30 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 01:23:52 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:12 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem181.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:23 <JdGordon> seems there are no electirc trains on the desert landscape anyway 01:24:32 <Aali> sure, you can make waay too much money waay too easily in ottd 01:24:33 <WhiteRhinoPSO> By the way, the rookie in that UFO screenshot is either gonna be dead really fast or lucky with a rapidfire. =P 01:24:40 <Yexo> JdGordon: if you disable electric rails the electric trains will run on normal rail 01:24:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.161.92] has joined #openttd 01:25:02 <glx> there never was electric engines in desert 01:25:12 <Aali> but still, if you have alot of vehicles running good routes, why would they make less money than your upstart competitors'? 01:25:27 <Eddi|zuHause> JdGordon: there are newgrf sets for desert, which have electric trains 01:25:50 <glx> Aali: more trains => more running costs 01:27:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefe8.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:49 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:29 <Aali> sure but running costs per-vehicle should not increase just because you have alot of vehicles 01:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: let's assume that 1 vehicle can be managed by 1 train crew 01:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause> 2 vehicles then need 2 train crews, and one manager 01:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause> 4 vehicles need 4 train crews, 2 managers that manage 2 vehicles each, and one manager managing the 2 managers 01:29:48 <Aali> sure, you can charge for that, but it should not end up as running cost 01:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the more vehicles you get, the more levels of management you need 01:30:01 <Eddi|zuHause> you end up with a tree structure of managers 01:30:08 <JdGordon> you'll go broke quickly with that management level 01:30:31 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem172.tmlp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.170.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:44 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: that is still a linear cost. For every n trains (assuming n = 2**x), you need n-1 managers 01:31:46 <thingwath> that makes having more than some 2^small n vehicles impossible :-) 01:31:57 *** WhiteRhinoPSO is now known as WhiteRhino 01:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: yes, but a higher level manager gets more money than a lower level manager 01:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> if you assume that each level higher gets twice the amount of money 01:32:27 <Yexo> ah, now we are getting somewhere :) 01:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you end up with a n^2 cost 01:33:03 <WhiteRhino> I hate trees in the temperate maps. I can't tell what's what unless I bring up the little map screen. 01:33:18 <Aali> that will place a limit on how many vehicles you can possibly have before it all comes tumbling down under the weight of all those managers and you just can't make more money 01:33:25 <Aali> i dont like that :/ 01:33:26 <JdGordon> except it make sense that it would get cheaper per train to run the more you have because you're management levels and services are utilized more fully 01:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause> n^2 is of course very much, so it should be more like n^1.5 or something 01:33:36 <Eddi|zuHause> values can be tweaked 01:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: welcome to bureaucracy 01:34:10 <Aali> WhiteRhino: transparency settings, hide trees (unless you're using 0.6.3, in which case you're screwed) 01:34:17 <JdGordon> with only 1 train it should be very expensivce to run... but once you start getting a dozen or more then everything is working at full speed/efficiency and its cheaper per train overall 01:34:26 <WhiteRhino> I already have them transparent, but there's so freaking many they still blot out everything but the farms. 01:34:37 <Aali> i must have missed the genre change from transport tycoon from bureaucracy tycoon 01:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: there is a reason why big companies start to "outsource" their minor branches 01:34:47 <Yexo> in 0.6.3 there is an option to make transparant trees invisible iirc 01:34:48 <Aali> err 01:34:48 <Aali> to 01:35:13 <Yexo> yep, under "interface", enable "Invisble trees" 01:36:23 <WhiteRhino> Interface? o.O 01:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> wrench icon -> configure patches -> interface 01:36:49 <Yexo> it's under "configure patches", under the "interface" tab 01:37:21 <WhiteRhino> Great googa-mooga. It's beautiful. 01:37:27 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:57 <thingwath> It looks ugly without the trees :-/ 01:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> there is always the "x" key ;) 01:38:13 <thingwath> But with them, you can't see anything. 01:38:15 <WhiteRhino> Well, there are a lot of funky like... moss-piles everywhere. 01:41:09 <JdGordon> can industries be persuaded to supply more somehow? I've got copper ore mines dotted around the map with like 60 tonnes last month which isnt worth setting up a route for... 01:41:25 <Yexo> provide good transportation 01:41:42 <Yexo> or open the cheat window (ctrl+alt+c) and cheat to increase production 01:42:08 <SmatZ> 60%+ transported and 80%+ transported increases your chance of increasing production 01:42:17 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 01:42:22 <JdGordon> even when its so low to start with? 01:42:41 <SmatZ> JdGordon: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Game_mechanics#Industry_production 01:43:08 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:43:34 <SmatZ> "It takes about 65 years to go from 100 to 2100 with bigger than 80% industry rating and about 130 years with a rating of 60-80%. " 01:44:51 <JdGordon> ok 01:45:00 <JdGordon> so its just a crazy amount of waiting 01:46:58 <Aali> mostly a crazy amount of doing other stuff 01:47:00 <Aali> but yes 01:47:04 <Aali> it does take a while 01:47:50 *** vraa [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a different rating mechanism 01:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause> one that honours regular service instead of constant service 01:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. like a train every 30 days 01:49:00 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: if you have time, try to design realistic economy model, ideally with more difficulty levels - but it has to be enjoyable by players :) 01:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> you do know you are talking to the person that has like the worst time management skills ever... 01:49:44 <SmatZ> ha :) 01:49:50 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:50:11 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 01:52:54 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:59 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem173.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 01:53:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F012.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:53:56 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 01:54:39 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:55:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.160.252] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 01:56:05 *** AngryRhino [White@modem173.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 01:56:11 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem173.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:15 <Sacro> more rhinos :D 01:56:16 <AngryRhino> Hate my connection. 01:56:33 *** Westie [~a@c-76-119-229-136.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:31 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem181.tmlp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:56 *** HttpErrors [~osiris201@219-90-185-216.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:04 *** Woet [~woeterman@78-27-33-6.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 02:02:55 *** HttpErrors [~osiris201@115-166-16-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:11:55 *** AngryRhino is now known as WhiteRhino 02:14:30 <Aali> yay 02:14:40 <Aali> brianettas standard is quite fun 02:15:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-20.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:44 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:08 <Aali> its still too easy to make boatloads of money though 02:17:38 *** HttpErr0r [~osiris201@115-166-16-116.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:20:18 *** HttpErr0r [~osiris201@115-166-16-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [] 02:20:51 <Westie> Does anyone know if there is a reason that no competitors are generated in the current nightly? It has been a while since I tried a nightly - I even created an empty config file with no luck 02:22:13 <Aali> have double- and triplechecked your settings? 02:22:20 <Aali> *have you 02:22:25 <Aali> err 02:22:29 <Aali> i should really go to bed 02:22:36 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 02:22:57 *** AngryRhino [White@modem183.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 02:23:13 *** HttpErrors [~osiris201@115-166-16-116.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:49 <Westie> I created a blank openttd.cfg in the directory with the nightly located - after starting the program it populates the file. I would have thought the defaults would have worked. I have tried on both easy and medium difficulties. Just thought I'd ask before submitting a bug 02:24:53 <Aali> how long did you wait? they start at random 02:25:23 <Westie> I tried fast forward for 3 years (they are meant to start after 6 and 3 months - easy,medium) 02:25:54 <Aali> hmm 02:25:56 <Westie> I also have a game just ticking by in the background - over 18 months and still no competitors 02:26:14 <Aali> that sounds a bit odd 02:26:28 <Westie> thats why I asked - thought there might have been something I missed 02:26:36 <Aali> you're not playing a scenario or anything? you're sure the settings are right in-game? 02:27:04 <Aali> the main menu settings only affect new games 02:27:13 <Westie> yup they are good. Just created empty config, start game - then stated easy with default options - no changes made at all 02:27:57 <Aali> let me see if i can reproduce that 02:28:08 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem173.tmlp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:28:13 <Aali> r14848? 02:28:27 <Westie> yes 02:30:24 *** AngryRhino is now known as WhiteRhino 02:31:14 <Aali> thats a negative, after about a year i have an AI with some routes 02:31:33 <Aali> no config file 02:32:31 <Westie> no config means it uses the one in your My documents (with windows) at least that is what the docs say. You need to create an empty openttd.cfg in the nightly directory 02:32:52 <Aali> no, really, no config file 02:32:53 <Aali> at all 02:33:00 <Aali> i dont have one in my home folder 02:33:33 <Westie> I am referring to this http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Nightly_builds#openttd.cfg 02:34:17 <Aali> sure, thats alright 02:34:55 <Aali> but i just ran the nightly without a config file (so it used default everything) and i have AI competitors 02:35:00 <Westie> I've deleted the one in my docs and I'll try again 02:35:10 <Westie> perhaps it is copying that to generate the new one? 02:36:16 <Aali> if there is a file called openttd.cfg in the same directory as the binary, it wont use the one from my docs or whatever 02:36:37 <Aali> or, shouldn't 02:36:54 <WhiteRhino> ANd to think, I used to hate Goods. 02:41:17 <Westie> I can't work it out, I deleted all the config files I could find, and I still get no AIs 02:41:44 <Westie> something strange for me ... perhaps I'll reboot to linux and see if that helps 02:42:21 <Westie> everytime I start the nightly version, it creates a OpenTTD directory in MyDocuments, and puts a config file in there. 02:42:57 <Aali> its supposed to do that 02:43:05 <Aali> shouldn't change anything 02:43:39 <Westie> I don't know what else to look at 02:46:19 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:46:55 <Westie> I'm off to try linux 02:47:32 <Sacro> that pisses me off 02:47:36 <Sacro> it shouldn't use my documents 02:47:41 <Sacro> that's not what it's there for 02:48:07 *** Westie [~a@c-76-119-229-136.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:48:37 <Aali> Sacro: sure but you can't put anywhere else in the user directory or people wont find it 02:48:45 <Aali> *put it 02:48:50 <Aali> seriously 02:48:52 <Sacro> Aali: pfft, people are idiots 02:48:58 <Aali> i should stop typing now 02:49:10 <Aali> no argument there 02:54:14 * Sacro coughs 02:56:11 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 02:59:00 <tokai> My Documents should be for user documents.. not random setting files 02:59:26 <tokai> also pisses me off on OSX where programs pollute the Documents folder 02:59:42 <tokai> i run a cron script which cleans it up constantly ;) 03:01:08 <SmatZ> oh hello tokai :) 03:01:33 <SmatZ> OTTD working fine on MorphOS? 03:01:36 <tokai> hello hello 03:01:42 <tokai> no idea :) 03:01:50 <SmatZ> huh :) 03:01:54 <tokai> didn't built for a while 03:02:02 <tokai> old versions work obviously... dunno about trunk 03:02:06 <SmatZ> :) 03:02:14 <tokai> I fear the worst :P 03:02:46 <SmatZ> :-P 03:02:59 <SmatZ> it should still compile with gcc2.95 03:03:04 <SmatZ> I test it sometimes :) 03:03:17 <tokai> usually it breaks on C++ stuff ;) 03:03:34 <SmatZ> yeah :) 03:03:40 <tokai> (that's easy said.. the whole thing is C++'ified ;) 03:12:33 <WhiteRhino> What the... did one of my planes crash without me knowing? 03:12:55 <SmatZ> did it? 03:12:59 <SmatZ> bad bad plane 03:14:21 <Sacro> bad bad rhino 03:14:55 <murr4y> bad bad message settings 03:16:18 *** Westie [~a@c-76-119-229-136.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:16:40 <Westie> no luck under linux either :-( 03:17:05 <Westie> I will dig a little deeper 03:17:17 <WhiteRhino> Hrm. k per flight with my Yate Haugan jets. 03:18:49 <WhiteRhino> *gapes* Or 5k per flight for my Darwin 300. 03:19:43 <Moodles> on a 2048x2048 map, how long does it take the 1950's planes to go from one side of the map to te other? 03:20:01 <SmatZ> 18 months? 03:20:05 <Aali> depends on planespeed setting 03:20:10 <SmatZ> true :) 03:21:14 <Moodles> kinda explains why when i buy out companies, their planes arent making any money per year.. and take ages to go back to their depot so i can sell them 03:21:57 <WhiteRhino> I think I'm working a 1024/1024. 03:22:04 <WhiteRhino> And only using like half the map between flights. 03:22:25 <Aali> my transrapids make £100k per run 03:22:29 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AC9FC.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:23:25 <Aali> over some 200 tiles 03:25:14 <WhiteRhino> My mail-only Darwiin 300 makes 0k a year so far.. that's pretty good I'd say. Not sure how well the three standard ones are gonna make in place of those two concorde-types. 03:30:38 *** Westie [~a@c-76-119-229-136.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:30:43 <WhiteRhino> I take it when black smoke trails from a plane that's their version of breaking down? 03:31:37 <Aali> they smoke and fly slower 'til next landing (and service at depot), yes 03:33:01 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:36:52 <WhiteRhino> 1991, save and quit. 03:45:33 * Sacro goes to simutransa 03:47:46 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:47:48 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 03:48:31 <Sacro> hmm 03:48:33 <Sacro> i spy an Aali 03:52:16 <Sacro> we need a system for upgrading airports 03:56:27 <WhiteRhino> Wait until the planes are gone and dynamite? 03:58:32 <WhiteRhino> Upgrading airports seems synonymous with changing the size of a railroad station. Just be quick on the dynamite and rebuild buttons so you don't lose the station name and screw up people's orders. 03:59:06 <Sacro> yeah :\ 03:59:20 <Sacro> but iwth a train station you can nuke in/out lines 03:59:29 <Sacro> with an airport you can't hold in a pattern 04:00:23 <WhiteRhino> I've never had so many planes taking off and landing that it became a problem. *shrug* I like to have two, maybe three airports and four or so successful flights and then I go back to trains. 04:01:18 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:03:41 <JdGordon> using planes is cheating! 04:08:38 *** Zorni [zorn@e177239230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:15 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:14:05 *** roboboy [72488ee6@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:46:52 *** roboboy [72488ee6@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:11:01 *** vraa [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 05:18:37 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:47:26 *** roboboy [72489003@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:53:42 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 06:05:05 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:07:37 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 06:09:28 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:35:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.161.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:48 *** AngryRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 06:53:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:54:31 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-91-183.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 06:55:20 <gynter> hello, any ideas why my station transportation changes to accepts wood/no longer accepts in every 2 days past 1 year? 06:55:48 <AngryRhino> Is it possible the sawmill closed down? 06:55:54 <gynter> nope 06:55:55 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem183.tmlp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:56:11 <AngryRhino> How close is the station to the sawmill? 06:56:14 *** AngryRhino is now known as WhiteRhino 06:56:14 <gynter> same with gravel and brichworks (PBI and UK industries grf) 06:56:29 <gynter> next to sawmill 06:56:46 <WhiteRhino> Hrm. I'm not sure then.. might be part of one of the GRFs you have. 06:57:10 <gynter> k gona wait a year more, maybe enconomics thing 06:57:31 <WhiteRhino> Save before you fast-forward if you're planning to. 06:57:34 <gynter> economics* 06:57:39 <gynter> its network game 06:57:44 <WhiteRhino> Oh. 06:57:46 <gynter> :P 06:58:02 <WhiteRhino> SOme people can't play network stuff well. >.> 07:03:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:04:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <gynter> same with gravel and brichworks (PBI and UK industries grf) <- PB Industries have stockpiles, so they cannot accept an unlimited amount of raw materials 07:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so when you are close to the acceptance limit, every time you deliver something, it goes beyond the stockpile, and stops accepting 07:05:16 <gynter> hmm, might be that problem, gona put more cargo vechiles then :P 07:05:29 <Eddi|zuHause> then, when the industry produces, the stockpile drops, and accepts again 07:05:46 <gynter> k, thanks 07:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you need a second saw mill, to deliver the spare wood 07:05:54 <gynter> ah ok 07:05:58 <gynter> gona build that then :P 07:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the industry will also say low, medium or high production level 07:06:26 <gynter> says medium for me 07:06:36 <gynter> sawmill 07:06:40 <gynter> brickworks is near maximum 07:10:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:31 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24:41 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem169.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 07:32:08 <WhiteRhino> Damn it. 07:32:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:23 <WhiteRhino> Every time I try to connect to a server game, after a few seconds I get "network disconnected." 07:32:39 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:32:50 <WhiteRhino> I can't even watch a game if I want to anymore. 07:39:20 <WhiteRhino> There it goes again. 07:42:42 <WhiteRhino> This is pissing me off. 07:43:06 <Forked> got packetloss? 07:44:12 <WhiteRhino> I dunno. I was able to play once the day after I downloaded OpenTTD, once for about half an hour the next day.. and every single other time I've tried to connect to play or to watch, it'll load the map, sit there a second or two, then bring me back to the menu. 07:44:15 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:48:06 *** roboboy [72489003@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:53:30 <WhiteRhino> That multiplayer button is becoming the biggest freaking tease.. 07:54:33 <Rubidium> WhiteRhino: it's really YOUR internet connection as many people can play OpenTTD without problems 07:55:04 <WhiteRhino> I know, I know... *grump* Just 'cus it's a problem on my end doesn't make me wish I could play it any less. 07:55:29 <Rubidium> and as long as nobody with some coding/network skill can reproduce it and fix it, we can't make it any better 07:56:07 <WhiteRhino> Allright, I'll clam up about it. =P I get to rambling sometimes. 07:57:47 <Forked> what does your ISP say? 07:59:22 <WhiteRhino> I haven't really talked to them. 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"battery" 09:28:53 <mrfrenzy> it's a good idea to test one's battery at the end of summer ;) 09:29:08 <mrfrenzy> because it's usually the summer heat that kills them, then you get problems when it's cold 09:29:11 <matias> yes, i know.. 09:29:53 <matias> it loads on 1 ampere :) 09:30:19 <mrfrenzy> so it's dead then 09:30:29 *** enra [~enra@203-59-13-201.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:30:30 <petern> still 09:30:32 <mrfrenzy> if the car didn't start your ammeter on the charger should hit max 09:30:53 <petern> simpler to fix than other problems... 09:31:20 <mrfrenzy> indeed 09:31:31 <matias> unfortunately shops are closed today, but at least i can get the car running.. :) 09:33:50 <matias> hmm.. at least i learned how to play opentdd yesterday :) 09:34:25 <matias> i'm getting 600 000 profits now (1953) 09:35:02 <matias> ok, using pause while thinking 09:37:03 <matias> why ai is building 2 stations for each resource? 09:37:43 <matias> because it also builds 2 rail roads i don't think that its getting 2x profit.. 09:38:10 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:39:45 <mrfrenzy> the "ai" just isn't very intelligent 09:40:17 <matias> yes, you can see it when it builds roads and railroads 09:41:17 <mrfrenzy> for some tips on efficient networks look here http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/OpenTTD and here http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Main_Page 09:42:13 <matias> you should teach efficient rail roads to ai :) 09:42:48 <mrfrenzy> more fun to play online with real people ;) 09:43:49 <petern> finger bethbritton 09:43:52 <petern> er 09:43:57 <petern> wrong window 09:53:46 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:53:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:56:55 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-20.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:00:00 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:07:53 *** canidae [canidae@exent.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:30 <canidae> morning. is "min_players" supposed to work without much more magic than setting it, or am i missing something? i expected it to pause the game when there are less than min_players, although game is never paused (yes, dedicated server) 10:10:00 <canidae> (running last nightly) 10:15:58 <petern> min_players is broken currently 10:16:07 <petern> patch network.min_active_clients works 10:16:30 <canidae> ah, i couldn't find it in the bug tracker :) 10:16:38 <canidae> i assume that only cares about clients? 10:16:53 <petern> i don't know why it was renamed 10:16:57 <petern> active_clients == players 10:17:08 <petern> somebody thought players was ambiguous 10:18:32 <Rubidium> players were also what's not called companies... and then the question is: is it the amount of companies (players) or the amount of active clients (players) 10:19:43 <canidae> also, just curious; previous nightly appeared to segfault the game when clicking advanced settings. apparently latest nightly doesn't, but i didn't see anything about it in the changelog. is this correct? 10:20:06 <petern> you could at least have fixed the aliass 10:20:08 <petern> -s 10:20:34 <petern> as it is every server will need to reset the setting because it would've been saved with the old name 10:21:05 <petern> canidae: r14839 10:21:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc648.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:21:57 <canidae> ah 10:22:08 <canidae> it won't show when searching as it's closed in flyspray? 10:22:32 <Rubidium> canidae: well... that happens when you search only the opened tasks 10:23:04 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14862 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix (r14421): min_players became min_active_clients, not min_clients 10:23:05 <canidae> heh... not used flyspray before, familiar with trackers that show every bug per default, regardless of state. although, i should've checked better :) 10:23:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:23:29 <Wolf01> hello 10:26:44 <dihedral> hi 10:37:51 *** MrOxiMoron [~hvdklauw@s55918a90.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 10:42:01 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 10:44:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81695.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:56:59 *** lordnokon [~hanneslou@196-209-18-72-nngy-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 11:13:45 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 11:22:00 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:26 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:30:32 <TrueBrain> morning all 11:30:46 <Wolf01> hello TB! 11:37:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: good UTC morning to you too ;) 11:38:48 <enra> damn - i wish it was morning here :s 11:40:26 <TrueBrain> an UTC morning it is for all of us enra :) 11:42:01 <enra> utc? 11:42:04 <TrueBrain> I am making croissants :) Yeah! 11:42:06 <TrueBrain> I love those things :) 11:42:18 <enra> oooh croisants! 11:45:25 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 11:46:20 <dihedral> TrueBrain, got some for me too? 11:47:26 <TrueBrain> nope; ALL MINE!!! 11:47:31 <dihedral> :'( 11:47:43 <dihedral> not even a wee bit from the end? 11:48:41 <TrueBrain> haha, for the last 2 days I have been busy transfering one domain from one register to the other 11:48:44 <TrueBrain> it finally succeeded 11:49:01 <TrueBrain> but at the ned I was awaiting approval of the losing registar, something I should be able to do, but I couldn't find anywhere 11:49:14 <TrueBrain> after a long while I get an email from OpenSRS allowing me to do so ... then you go to that website, and you read this: 11:49:58 <TrueBrain> "OpenSRS Reseller" blabla "completely invisible for your clients" 11:50:05 <TrueBrain> well .. not THAT invisible clearly :p Idiots ... 11:50:49 <TrueBrain> even worse, then you compare the prices they use, and the ones I have been paying at the losing registar ... almost 5 dollar a year of difference ... 11:51:15 <TrueBrain> sick .. 11:52:25 <TrueBrain> (for the record, OpenSRS was NOT the name of my losing registar :p) 11:53:41 <petern> heh 12:03:41 *** roboboy [7248d651@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:04:10 *** roboboy [7248d651@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:05:18 *** Monkeyman1 [~Monkeyman@adsl-84-227-198-182.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:09:01 <Monkeyman1> hello 12:13:14 *** Fantasya [~simas068@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 12:22:39 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:23:03 *** EdVanChat [~redheadft@e180007137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:24:42 *** EdVanChat [~redheadft@e180007137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 12:26:04 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:21 *** CIA-9 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:47 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-20.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:33 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:46 *** roboboy [7248d651@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:44:19 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 12:45:13 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:16 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:57:21 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:00:39 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:01:57 *** Monkeyman1 [~Monkeyman@adsl-84-227-198-182.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:04:18 <Fantasya> Holy crap. My internet owned :DDD 13:04:35 <Fantasya> ping ~3000 O_O 13:05:05 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:40 <Fantasya> F***ing supplier 13:08:31 <petern> did anyone spot any problems with my rv speed patch? 13:08:42 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:09:58 <Rubidium> did anyone except some Japanese test it? 13:10:13 <petern> hmm? 13:10:19 <petern> japanese? 13:12:38 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/4938 <- that server uses your patch 13:12:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14864 /branches/noai/ (16 files in 5 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: introduce a layer-in-between to avoid layer-breaking and move out code from the API to the AI-core (which makes much more sense) 13:13:16 <petern> really? :o 13:13:18 <Rubidium> or at least one very similarly named and looking quite similar 13:13:23 <petern> but i only posted it here last night 13:13:37 <petern> "Japenese"? heh 13:13:46 <petern> how do you know what patches it's running? 13:14:30 <Rubidium> google skills ;) 13:14:52 <Rubidium> http://cid-1f0f76e100826a89.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/OpenTTD%E9%96%A2%E9%80%A3/ottd999PP/patch|_src 13:15:05 <Rubidium> the *007.rar contains your patch 13:15:12 <petern> :o 13:15:25 <Rubidium> hmm... or did I frack up? 13:15:41 <petern> think so, i don't see it here :) 13:15:50 <petern> +t 13:16:02 <Rubidium> yeah, I did frack up 13:16:39 <Rubidium> firefox didn't show it in-browser, thus downloaded it and put it in temp where I extracted the rar at rougly the same time :( 13:16:52 <petern> ahh 13:16:59 <Rubidium> so... it's likely nobody tested it 13:17:02 <petern> indeed 13:17:08 <petern> well except me 13:17:13 <petern> but that's hardly conclusive 13:20:34 <TrueBrain> commit it, and in less than 6 hours you have a nice test-base 13:21:54 <Rubidium> the patch doesn't look obviously wrong though 13:22:25 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 13:23:21 <petern> TrueBrain... true :p 13:23:34 <petern> trunk is often treated a bit too sacred ;) 13:25:16 <TrueBrain> very often ;) 13:26:20 <Rubidium> thus commit stuff that isn't obviously wrong, but don't commit stuff that's known wrong/bad/incorrect 13:27:36 <TrueBrain> hahahah 13:27:38 <TrueBrain> seems like a plan ;) 13:27:45 * TrueBrain merges NoAI :p 13:27:48 <TrueBrain> mwhahahahahaha 13:29:08 <Rubidium> NoAI has a known issue with threading (IIRC) 13:29:30 <glx> only one? 13:29:32 <glx> ;) 13:30:22 <TrueBrain> :) 13:31:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14865 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: move the RegisterAPI to AIInstance (from AIController) 13:33:17 *** enra [~enra@203-59-13-201.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14866 /branches/noai/src/ai/ (ai_instance.cpp ai_instance.hpp ai_storage.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: add svn keywords and $Id$ tags to new files 13:36:30 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:40 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:41:22 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:26 *** vraa [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:00 <Belugas> hello 13:55:57 <TrueBrain> hi Belugas :) :) :) 13:56:23 <Belugas> ho.. Mister Croissant cooker :) 13:57:46 <planetmaker> happy new year everyone! :) 13:58:04 <planetmaker> Reading through the last week's commits feels like another christmas present :) 13:58:08 <planetmaker> Two thumbs up! :) 14:06:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54408fb8.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:11:15 *** enra [~enra@203-59-199-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:11:41 * enra stabs his modem repeatedly with a blunt spork 14:18:16 * qball passes enra an axe 14:21:26 <Belugas> and go buy a decent modem afterward ;) 14:23:35 *** Yeggs-work [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:03 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:06 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@75.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:38:01 <TrueBrain> qball: you know you can get 20 year of jailtime for handling an axe? :p 14:38:10 <TrueBrain> petern: so when can we expect the rv speed commit? :p 14:38:40 <petern> never! 14:38:41 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-64-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:38:52 <petern> doing work @ work right now 14:39:06 <TrueBrain> never say never :p 14:39:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14867 /branches/noai/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: make MSVC happy (stupid MSVC :() 14:39:15 <Digitalfox> A bit late I know, but Happy new year everyone :) 14:39:38 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: then why do you say it twice in a sentence? 14:39:54 <TrueBrain> u2 Digitalfox :) 14:39:56 <petern> Digitalfox, early, surely 14:40:10 <petern> 359 days to go... 14:40:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: sigh ................ 14:40:15 <Digitalfox> Just finished my Just finished my Draughts game in C and it's report =0 14:40:24 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has joined #openttd 14:40:25 <Digitalfox> ops, double finished 14:40:48 <petern> and it is report? 14:40:58 <qball> TrueBrain: have so many identities 14:41:00 <qball> no problem 14:41:01 <TrueBrain> Draughts? 14:41:03 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14868 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_storage.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: MSVC doesn't understand mixing 'struct' and 'class' .............. (I am running out of words to describe MSVC) 14:41:07 <Digitalfox> I have to deliver the source code and a report how it was made 14:41:23 <Digitalfox> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draughts 14:41:25 <petern> oh, "and its report", heh 14:42:20 <TrueBrain> haha, now I understand it too petern, tnx ;) 14:44:40 <Belugas> Digitalfox! Happy new Year to you too 14:45:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14869 /trunk/src/ (engine_type.h newgrf.cpp roadveh_cmd.cpp): 14:45:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Feature: Allow road vehicles to move multiple steps in a tick (code based on 14:45:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: train movement code) and add support for RV prop 15. This gives RVs a maximum 14:45:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: speed of 318mph instead 79mph. This only implements higher speeds, not 14:45:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: 'realistic acceleration'. 14:46:18 <petern> oh shit, i didn't make it vague and ambiguous :p 14:48:36 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:48:42 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:56:08 <glx> at least you said what it is nott 14:56:12 <glx> -t 14:58:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:59:36 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has left #openttd [] 15:00:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14870 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: normal files in library dirs caused segfaults (found by Yexo) 15:00:48 <Belugas> youhou! 15:00:51 <Belugas> mmh... 15:01:11 <Belugas> what am i rejoicing for... idon't play :S 15:01:20 <Belugas> welll... happy for the others than :) 15:01:21 <Sacro> petern: is the new tractive effort in? 15:01:52 <dihedral> hello 15:01:56 <Sacro> hi ;) 15:01:57 <petern> whowa? 15:02:09 <petern> for trains, no 15:02:47 <Sacro> damn :( 15:02:54 * Sacro will just look at the graphs then 15:02:57 <petern> :) 15:05:56 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:07:41 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14871 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Backport (r14656): use S_ISREG(x) over 'x & S_IFREG' (tnx to the good memory of glx) 15:08:01 <Bennythen00b> Wat? 15:08:38 <Bennythen00b> Was that from a person or a bot? 15:08:47 <Rubidium> both 15:08:51 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:03 <Bennythen00b> Why did it pop up? 15:09:04 <Rubidium> a person made a commit and a bot "picked it up" 15:09:12 <Bennythen00b> ah.. 15:09:52 <Belugas> not been there long enough he? 15:09:52 <Belugas> heheh 15:09:57 <petern> wrong 15:10:00 <petern> he's been here too long 15:10:06 <Belugas> lol 15:10:09 <Bennythen00b> oO 15:10:19 <Bennythen00b> Another weird IRC channel.. :o 15:12:18 <dihedral> Bennythen00b, your nick really suits you! 15:12:20 <dihedral> :-) 15:12:29 <Bennythen00b> Thanks... I think.. :P 15:12:47 <Bennythen00b> And how do i pm people..? xD 15:13:00 <petern> you don't 15:13:10 <Bennythen00b> How do you know..? 15:13:26 <petern> because i'm guessing that nobody here would want a PM from you 15:13:36 <Bennythen00b> You sure....? ^^ 15:13:40 <qball> yes! 15:13:45 <dihedral> if they want it, they will pm you! 15:13:46 <petern> fairly :) 15:13:54 <Bennythen00b> Am I hated here or something?.... 15:14:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r14872 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_squirrel.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix (r14871): do the same for S_IFDIR too 15:14:13 <dihedral> why do you look at things so negatively? 15:14:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 15:14:32 <qball> maybe one or two don't hate you 15:14:49 <Bennythen00b> Should I take that as a compliment? 15:14:50 <dihedral> if people wanted to sit in a personal conversation with eachother all the time they'd hardly hang out in an irc channel 15:14:56 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 15:15:20 <Bennythen00b> Hmm.. Good point. 15:16:49 <Bennythen00b> Hey, does trunk have cargo destinisations now!? 15:16:54 <petern> nope 15:17:00 <Bennythen00b> Waaat? 15:17:06 <petern> no it doesn't 15:17:12 * [com]buster fetches popcorn 15:17:26 <Belugas> Unless you want to send that person money, of course... 15:17:29 <petern> [com]buster, cup of tea please 15:17:39 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14873 /branches/noai/src/company_cmd.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix: don't send an event to a company which is dying .. but do it after the company really died. Avoids silly invalid memory access ;) 15:18:02 <[com]buster> peter: water's boiling: english tea blend or peach mango? 15:18:05 <Bennythen00b> Why does my stations say: xx passengers en-route from xxxx? 15:18:19 <petern> er... peach mango doesn't sound like proper tea, so english blend ;) 15:18:20 <dihedral> lol @ [com]buster 15:18:34 <Bennythen00b> Waait.. Ignore me, and I MEAN IT!!!! 15:18:36 <petern> Bennythen00b, because you've used transfer orders :D 15:18:44 <Rubidium> Bennythen00b: as you wish 15:19:01 <Bennythen00b> Stop pm'ing me... 15:19:06 <dihedral> Bennythen00b, i think most people here will happily fulfill your wish 15:19:09 <Bennythen00b> STOP! 15:19:12 <TrueBrain> @mode +q Bennythen00b 15:19:15 *** mode/#openttd [+q Bennythen00b!*@*] by DorpsGek 15:19:15 <dihedral> thanks 15:19:33 <petern> heh, serverside ignores :D 15:19:34 * dihedral breaths 15:19:35 <TrueBrain> or is that mean? :p 15:19:39 <dihedral> no 15:19:44 <dihedral> that was asked for 15:19:50 <TrueBrain> @mode -q Bennythen00b 15:19:51 *** mode/#openttd [-q Bennythen00b!*@*] by DorpsGek 15:19:54 <Bennythen00b> Wat? 15:20:00 <Bennythen00b> Its gone :D 15:20:04 <Bennythen00b> Yaaay! 15:20:22 <dihedral> s/mode -q/kick/ 15:20:24 <TrueBrain> What is written with a 'h' ;) 15:20:40 <dihedral> TrueBrain, *an :-) 15:20:42 <[com]buster> tea's ready, coming over? :) 15:20:54 * dihedral chuckles 15:21:04 <TrueBrain> [com]buster: your address again? :p 15:21:19 <[com]buster> utrecht/holland 15:21:38 <dihedral> you surely dont have good english tea there do you? 15:21:52 <TrueBrain> oh, that is just 45 minutes 15:21:55 <TrueBrain> can your tea hold out that long? 15:21:56 <[com]buster> that's why I proposed peach-mango tea 15:22:11 * dihedral prefers pg tips 15:22:13 <[com]buster> it'd be cold by then 15:22:29 <TrueBrain> peach-mango, MAAK ME GEK! 15:22:29 <[com]buster> and I have appointments later this afternoon :( 15:22:30 <dihedral> shove it into the microwave, TB will not notice :-P 15:23:11 * dihedral just realized the kid is quiet :-) 15:23:16 * qball give TrueBrain a kinder cola 15:23:33 <Bennythen00b> Shall I start talking again? :P 15:23:45 <qball> no no 15:23:48 <[com]buster> go ahead, I still have the popcorn on the table 15:23:52 <Bennythen00b> ... 15:23:59 <dihedral> hehe 15:24:10 <Bennythen00b> Can I have some btw? 15:24:16 <dihedral> good job there are logs of this drivel - for the boring days :-D 15:24:29 <[com]buster> :D 15:24:37 <[com]buster> and no, you're today's performer 15:24:44 <[com]buster> you can't eat and entertain, no? 15:25:02 <[com]buster> k enough joking 15:25:16 <dihedral> just be glad we dont live in the days where it was still allowed to throw rotten eggs and tomatoes :-) 15:25:19 <TrueBrain> nah 15:25:21 <TrueBrain> never enough joking 15:25:31 <Bennythen00b> Who are you talkinng about? 15:25:37 <Bennythen00b> Dih? 15:25:44 <TrueBrain> and he is naive too :) 15:25:48 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:56 <[com]buster> I think someone missed the idea of grabbing popcorn... 15:26:13 * dihedral 'grabbes' something else 15:26:43 <[com]buster> error: can't lower terrain, Bennythen00b in the way 15:27:01 <Bennythen00b> Hahahah! 15:27:12 <Bennythen00b> <[com]buster> error: can't lower terrain, Bennythen00b in the way 15:27:28 <dihedral> for goodness sake! 15:27:36 <Bennythen00b> Wat? 15:27:52 <TrueBrain> WHAT 15:27:53 <TrueBrain> not WAT 15:27:55 <TrueBrain> you TWAT 15:28:00 <Bennythen00b> Wat? 15:28:04 <dihedral> why dont you go outside, and play hide 15:28:08 <Bennythen00b> I wont 15:28:25 <Bennythen00b> But I have to make dinner now, so you will have some alone time :) 15:28:30 <dihedral> flippin heck! 15:28:34 <Bennythen00b> Enjoy, and bye. ^^ 15:28:43 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has left #openttd [] 15:28:49 <[com]buster> hey my popcorn isn't gone yet :( 15:29:06 *** evandar [~evandar@62.168.10.158] has joined #openttd 15:29:56 <dihedral> [com]buster, perhaps you'll get another chance 15:30:02 <[com]buster> probably 15:31:02 * [com]buster wonders why the resident bot was called "DorpsGek" 15:31:58 <TrueBrain> for exactly this reason ;) 15:32:37 <[com]buster> so that you could kick all the other madmen because you already have one? 15:32:51 <TrueBrain> :) 15:33:23 <[com]buster> Hmm, why didn't I think of that the first time 15:35:53 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:38 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:01 <yorick> should I worry when able to understand commented brainfuck? 15:38:52 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 15:38:59 *** evandar [~evandar@62.168.10.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:59 *** dsoxygen [user@p5B0A669B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:11 <TrueBrain> yorick: no, you should worry in general 15:39:24 * yorick worries 15:41:25 <dsoxygen> hi there 15:42:48 <dsoxygen> im here to offer my help about translating 15:43:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14874 /branches/noai/src/ (10 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Codechange: steal more code from AIController and give it to AIInstance, making the code even more sane (still a long way to go, don't worry ;)) 15:43:38 <frosch123> "If you are interested in translating OpenTTD you should send an email with the language you want to translate and the username + password you would like to use to login to translator@openttd.org" 15:44:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14875 /branches/noai/src/ai/ai_info_dummy.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix (r14874): people always tell you think AFTER you commit .. 15:44:17 <dsoxygen> no i wont translate the game because its already done 15:44:17 <dsoxygen> i will helt to translate your homepage and our wiki 15:44:33 <dsoxygen> into gemany 15:44:52 * Sacro notes 2 spelling and 2 grammer mistakes already 15:45:53 * Aali notes Sacros spelling mistake 15:46:37 * Rubidium notes Aali's grammar mistake ;) 15:46:54 <dsoxygen> im sorry for this but i dont want translate in english my german is much better ;) 15:47:00 * qball puts a grammar alert out 15:47:21 <Aali> does that situation really require an apostrophe? 15:47:39 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 15:47:56 <Sacro> Aali: yes, if you wish to show belonging 15:48:20 <Aali> meh, english isn't my first language anyways :P 15:49:05 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:34 <Rubidium> dsoxygen: translating the wiki's tricky; lots of things constantly change and then your translation will be outdated with (almost) no way of telling you it got outdated. Furthermore I don't think you should translate the whole wiki as much of the information doesn't matter for users. 15:51:47 <dsoxygen> yes i think so to 15:51:48 <dsoxygen> but some parts of it can be translatet 15:52:34 <frosch123> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/ <- write them into that forum :p 15:57:03 <lordnokon> why does the finances window not show any income of costs for each of the year 15:57:12 <lordnokon> but it does show your bank balance 15:57:48 *** dsoxygen [user@p5B0A669B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:58:41 <Aali> lordnokon: you've minimized the window 16:02:37 <Belugas> or you are using transfers!!!! 16:03:53 <Aali> i assumed he meant to say income OR costs, but yes, that is another possiblity 16:05:20 <Belugas> never assume with new nicks around ;) 16:05:25 <Belugas> well... NEVER assume 16:06:00 <lordnokon> nope its not minimized 16:09:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:30 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F33C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:12:22 <Belugas> therefor, i might have spotted the problem, lordnokon :) 16:13:29 <lordnokon> ?? 16:13:40 <Belugas> [11:03] <@Belugas> or you are using transfers!!!! <--- that 16:13:59 <frosch123> lordnokon: when a train arrives at a station is the income amount green or yellow? 16:14:20 <lordnokon> green 16:14:59 <frosch123> too bad 16:15:24 <Belugas> mmh... right 16:15:50 <Belugas> then, a screenshot would be more usefull, at this point... 16:17:21 <lordnokon> ok 16:17:26 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:17:45 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:17:49 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:16 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 16:18:21 <petern> another cup of tea would be useful :D 16:18:47 * qball passes petern a cup of earl grey tea 16:19:31 * Belugas extracts himself for that comfy chair and crawls to the coffee pot 16:19:53 <qball> clean off the funges while you are out of that chair 16:21:41 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:08 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:34 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 16:28:13 <Belugas> hehe 16:28:25 * Belugas shakes his fungus over qball's head 16:37:33 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:33 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:37 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 16:39:31 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:03 <yorick> whoa...google chrome is quite fast :p 16:59:23 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:25 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:05:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81125.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:07:57 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 17:09:03 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:21 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.226.200] has joined #openttd 17:12:13 <Belugas> is it? 17:13:06 <frosch123> every fresh installation is fast :p 17:13:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14876 /trunk/src/pbs.cpp: 17:13:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2509] (r14849): Reserved path loop detection was broken for stations. 17:13:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Don't set the test tile to the tile the very first iteration handles. Update the test tile instead in the loop. 17:14:53 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 17:15:45 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232126.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:10 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:38 *** Zorn [zorn@d138103.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:57 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 17:19:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E35F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 17:27:59 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:47 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 17:30:34 <Swallow> Does a function exist somewhere that can replace this: 17:30:46 <Swallow> if (IsTileType(t, MP_RAILWAY) || IsLevelCrossingTile(t) || IsRailwayStationTile(t) || (IsTileType(t, MP_TUNNELBRIDGE) && GetTunnelBridgeTransportType(t) == TRANSPORT_RAIL)) 17:30:56 <Swallow> ? 17:31:30 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@171.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:35:16 <frosch123> GetTileTrackStatus ? 17:35:27 <frosch123> But it is a very expensive function 17:37:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14877 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:37:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [Squirrel] -Add: allow a 'suspend' value, which makes Resume/Call stop executing after 'suspend' opcodes (which you can resume later) 17:37:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [Squirrel] -Fix: resuming doesn't always mean inserting a result value on the stack 17:37:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14878 /branches/noai/src/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 17:37:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: move more code from AIController to AIInstance, which makes things even more sane 17:37:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: remove the need for threads (a result of all the latest commits) 17:37:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: insert result values in a sane matter 17:37:35 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@75.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:49 <TrueBrain> NoAI no longer needs threads :) :) :) (or rather: fibers) 17:37:52 <TrueBrain> what a happy day! :) 17:42:11 <goodger> hurrah 17:42:38 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl4-211-110.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:42:46 <Forked> mmm fiber optic cables 17:44:06 *** lordnokon [~hanneslou@196-209-18-72-nngy-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:23 *** lordnokon [~hanneslou@196-209-18-72-nngy-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 17:47:29 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl10-64-234.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:38 <mortal> where are test scripts hidden away in the source? 18:00:45 <mortal> or well in the repository 18:03:04 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:51 <frosch123> what do you want to test? 18:06:09 <Belugas> what test scripts? 18:06:12 <Belugas> Which sources? 18:06:16 <Belugas> what projects? 18:06:17 <mortal> frosch123, I was hoping ottd could serve as an example of testing in development 18:06:24 <Belugas> CRISTALL BALL!! ANSWER ME!! 18:06:38 <Forked> nothing is hidden in the source.. it's all right there ;p 18:06:45 <mortal> Belugas, 1) I was hoping you got that 2) all of them 3) all of them 18:06:59 <Noldo> yapf might have some 18:07:10 <frosch123> ask the noai guys 18:07:14 <thingwath> test what? :) 18:07:29 <Aali> ottd "testing" consists of getting a bunch of guys to run the nightlies :D 18:07:48 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Should've stayed on freenose if you want christel to answer your questions. 18:07:58 <mortal> hooray... well in that case I'm off again, looking for more pedagogical examples ;) 18:09:05 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 18:09:23 <Belugas> indeed 18:09:36 <Belugas> and good luck :) 18:09:39 <mortal> thanks 18:10:09 <mortal> my friend is in uni and I'm helping him with his programming course 18:10:21 <mortal> while taking care of my own college education 18:10:22 <Belugas> finding test scripts for Ottd is a bit... strange... amybe NoAI has that capability, but i'm not the one to answer that 18:11:09 <Aali> NoAI does have a regression "AI" 18:11:35 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DCAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:40 <Aali> it basically makes a log of a bunch of stuff 18:11:45 <Aali> not sure how its used 18:12:01 <Yexo> it executes a lot of commands and prints the results 18:12:16 <Yexo> those results are compared to "known good" results and should be the same 18:12:52 <Yexo> because openttd can repeat the same game over and over (as long as the same starting seed is used), this works 18:13:04 <Yexo> every sync with trunk the "known good" result is updated 18:15:58 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:24 <Bennythen00b> Still quiet...? 18:17:09 <matias> yes 18:17:21 <matias> shh.. 18:24:25 <Belugas> GROOOOOOOAR!!!! 18:25:37 <Bennythen00b> Yeah, right. :) 18:27:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r14879 /branches/noai/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: [NoAI] -Fix (r14878): forgot to update the regression (a one-liner) 18:27:17 * petern returns from walking the dogs 18:27:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F012.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:55 <fjb> Hello 18:28:37 <Bennythen00b> hi 18:28:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226153224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:28:59 <Belugas> DON'T YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT YOU ARE? 18:29:13 <Bennythen00b> ? 18:29:38 <goodger> 0.o 18:29:42 <Bennythen00b> A human..? 18:29:48 <Belugas> heheh 18:29:50 <Belugas> naaaaa... 18:29:52 <Belugas> a SONG! 18:29:53 <Rexxars> YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH! 18:29:57 <goodger> belugas has gone mad 18:30:08 <Bennythen00b> Begulas has gone bear... 18:30:10 <goodger> call the police 18:30:15 <Aali> he wasn't mad before? 18:30:27 <Belugas> well... if listening to Nine Inch Nail is going mad, than i'm mad 18:30:27 <goodger> Aali: different type of madness 18:31:38 <petern> headphone time :D 18:31:52 <Prof_Frink> What's the first sign of Madness? 18:31:55 <Bennythen00b> Me 18:32:03 <Prof_Frink> Suggs walking up your drive. 18:32:17 <petern> crap, my headphones have been resting against a radiator 18:32:33 <petern> oh well, at least they're warm 18:33:08 <goodger> Prof_Frink: that's appalling 18:33:25 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:46 <Belugas> lol 18:34:03 <Bennythen00b_> Why did my name change..? 18:34:17 <petern> raaa, visualsvn at home :D 18:34:27 <Belugas> youhou! 18:34:29 <Prof_Frink> goodger: I aim to please. 18:34:38 <Belugas> Bennythen00b_, there's two of you. 18:34:41 <goodger> Bennythen00b_: you signed in again without signing off 18:34:41 <Belugas> Let me help... 18:34:49 *** Bennythen00b was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [one too many] 18:34:56 <goodger> Prof_Frink: you fail 18:35:07 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has left #openttd [] 18:35:15 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:27 <Bennythen00b_> noo.. 18:35:28 * Prof_Frink idly wonders if goodger is the opposite of a badger 18:35:36 <goodger> ^_^ 18:36:12 <goodger> Prof_Frink: no, it's my surname --- I am one of about four ben goodgers in existence worldwide, and one of the others is a famous firefox developer and google employee. guess who I am constantly asked if I am 18:36:18 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-224-144.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:48 <Prof_Frink> Are you Ben Goodger? 18:36:56 <goodger> Prof_Frink: yes 18:36:59 <Prof_Frink> Wow. 18:37:17 <Bennythen00b_> Are you that firefox developer? 18:37:23 <Bennythen00b_> That FAMOUS? 18:37:41 * goodger thinks about banging head on desk, but reconsiders and bangs Bennythen00b_'s head on desk 18:37:53 <Bennythen00b_> Hahah.. :D 18:38:16 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:38:45 <goodger> "it is not usually your fault. consider this before blaming yourself, and then determine whom else to blame" 18:38:55 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@171.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 18:39:03 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 18:39:06 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-233-17.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 18:39:23 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:31 <Bennythen00b_> OH MY GOOOOD!!!! 18:39:33 <Bennythen00b_> NOW IM PISSED!!! 18:39:43 <Rexxars> .... 18:39:55 * Prof_Frink takes Bennythen00b_'s beer and asks him to leave 18:39:56 <Bennythen00b_> How do I get my name back...? :( 18:39:58 <Yexo> Bennythen00b_: what is your problem this time? 18:40:01 <Belugas> mmh... and to think I though bgoofer was the inspiration of walt Disney's Goofy :S 18:40:04 *** Bennythen00b_ is now known as Bennythen00b 18:40:25 <goodger> agh, the channel is being invaded by early-teenage norwegians 18:40:42 <Bennythen00b> Yaay 18:40:51 <Bennythen00b> "_" is gone 18:41:18 <Forked> I think I know a guy that works at his isp.. let me give him a call ;\ 18:41:44 <goodger> Forked: heh 18:42:56 <Belugas> I know a farmer who lives on his farm... 18:42:57 <Belugas> i think 18:43:05 <Forked> ye I know, I'm not funny :\ 18:43:22 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:44:05 <Belugas> naaaa.. t' 18:44:07 <Belugas> s not that... 18:44:20 <Belugas> just reminded me of some Genesis lyrics :) 18:46:56 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:47:46 <Bennythen00b> Hey, what? : Prof_Frink takes Bennythen00b_'s beer and asks him to leave 18:48:19 <Forked> doh. I made a long tram line just to find out I can't buy at ram that carries valuables :) 18:48:19 <Bennythen00b> I dont drink beer.. Yuck.. :P 18:48:38 <Forked> Bennythen00b: are you above 18 years of age? 18:48:41 <Belugas> he prefers milk ^_^ 18:48:50 <Bennythen00b> Coffee 18:48:50 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:48:57 <Belugas> haa.. there's hope 18:49:09 <Belugas> but you can't get drunk with coffee 18:49:12 <goodger> Forked: that's not very fair, I have only been that age for three months 18:49:34 <Rubidium> Forked: that happens when you play like the default AI 18:49:45 <Prof_Frink> Bennythen00b: You said you were pissed. 18:49:59 <Forked> goodger: well seeing how the minimum drinking age in Norway is 18 years .. I wouldn't try to encourage a minor to drink =p 18:50:11 <Forked> if he was older than 18, I'd just label him as insane :) 18:50:15 <Bennythen00b> I am 13 18:50:40 <goodger> Prof_Frink: again, dreadful 18:50:43 <Sacro> 13 eg 18:50:48 <goodger> 0.0 18:50:50 <Sacro> that's about 1/5 of Belugas's age 18:50:55 <Bennythen00b> OO 18:51:03 <glx> 13 is to young for cofee 18:51:12 <Forked> Rubidium: nice burn. that one hurt :\ 18:51:13 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-233-17.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:35 <Bennythen00b> <glx> 13 is to young for cofee 18:51:38 <Bennythen00b> No 18:52:01 <Belugas> Sacro... I DEMAND EXCUSES!!! 18:52:13 <Sacro> Belugas: i'm full of curry 18:52:14 <petern> I demand beer 18:52:14 <glx> just kick him :) 18:52:35 <Belugas> mmh... 18:52:40 <glx> (to check if he managed to get a rejoin on kick) 18:52:44 * petern attempts conflict resolving 18:53:02 <Sacro> euuuurgh my ovaries 18:53:10 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Freaking difference between 65 and 44!] 18:53:23 <glx> still no rejoin 18:53:28 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:12 <petern> hmm 18:54:13 <petern> is that right 18:54:18 *** De_Ghosty [~s@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:19 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 18:54:22 <petern> i get a yellow/orange bar where i have changes 18:54:26 * Sacro burps 18:54:28 <petern> i thought i had that before, though 18:54:42 <Sacro> Belugas: 44 eh, still fairly old :p 18:55:21 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:55:36 <goodger> heh 18:55:38 <Belugas> i'm as old as my earth is :) and I feel young! 18:55:51 <goodger> ¬.¬ 18:56:06 <Belugas> petern, yes, it's a bit different 18:56:11 <goodger> that doesn't mean you're young, it means you're having a mid-life crisis and are about to buy a motorcycle 18:56:19 <Belugas> look in the left project stuff 18:56:27 <petern> seems to be what it tries to do normally but can't usually get exactly right 18:56:28 <Belugas> orange is changed, red is conflits 18:56:30 <petern> now it can 18:56:42 <petern> in the solution explorer there are the dots, yeah 18:57:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:10 <Belugas> goodger, i'd rather buy a new guitar! or a new amp... or an effect rack... 18:57:15 <Belugas> not a bike 18:57:17 <Belugas> no way 18:57:26 *** Bennythen00b is now known as Bennythen00b_-afk- 18:57:31 <Belugas> yeah... solution exploere... right word 18:57:34 *** Bennythen00b_-afk- is now known as Bennythen00b-afk- 18:57:50 <Belugas> should I dare??? 18:57:54 *** Bennythen00b-afk- was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [we don't like away nicks] 18:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but... riding a lovely bike through the lovely snow... 18:58:20 <Rubidium> Belugas: I only give you 6 points on that performance 18:58:26 <Rubidium> (out of 10) 18:58:37 <Belugas> hehe 18:58:51 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: damn you and your snow! *jealous* 18:58:56 <petern> hmm, really nice 18:58:57 *** Eddi|zuHause was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [I HATE SNOW!] 18:58:58 <Rubidium> /kick Bennythen00b-afk- Bennythen00b-kfi- 18:59:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C07.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:01 <glx> I have snow 18:59:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B834CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:59:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:59:07 <glx> Rubidium: it was me 18:59:14 <goodger> glx: also your snow 18:59:34 <goodger> and yours petern 18:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> we have like 10cm 18:59:52 <Rubidium> Belugas: then you must be happy with the new looks of the forum ;) 18:59:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not mucht 18:59:53 <goodger> hrrm 18:59:54 <Eddi|zuHause> -t 19:00:17 <glx> it's enough to cancel flights in CDG and ORY 19:00:36 <Sacro> orly? 19:00:48 <Belugas> no i'm not, Rubidium.. i'm even more depressed than usual when i open it up :S 19:01:06 <Prof_Frink> glx: But is it the wrong kind of snow? 19:01:07 <goodger> 10cm is more than I've seen since I went on holiday to finland 11 years ago 19:01:17 <glx> it's normal snow 19:01:18 <Rubidium> Belugas: why? the snow's gone 19:01:19 <petern> Belugas, Ctrl-F5 :) 19:01:37 <goodger> Prof_Frink: no quoting Incompitence :P 19:01:39 <petern> it's stopped snowing but it takes ages to thaw 19:01:48 <Belugas> hem... 19:02:16 <Belugas> hooo.... :) 19:02:18 <Belugas> COOL!!! 19:02:24 * Belugas kisses orudge! 19:02:25 <gynter> why it says too close to another industry thou multiple_industry_pre_town and same_industry_close are on? 19:02:52 <Eddi|zuHause> gynter: newgrf industries may implement custom checks 19:03:00 <orudge> :o 19:03:08 <goodger> 0.o 19:03:24 <gynter> hmm 19:03:32 <goodger> (hi orudge, how are things? still at st andrews?) 19:03:45 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 19:03:48 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has joined #openttd 19:03:52 <insulfrog> hi all 19:04:24 <Sacro> insulfrog: what about #simsig D: 19:04:44 <insulfrog> sorry, I didn't know anyone was on 19:05:33 <Sacro> :) 19:05:40 <Sacro> me, welshdragon and zoe frequent it 19:05:43 <gynter> PBI makes this custom check? 19:05:46 <orudge> goodger: not bad, and yep, one more semester to go 19:06:13 <yorick> spotify finally works again here :) 19:06:24 <goodger> orudge: goodo, going to university of kent later this year, if UCAS aren't too incompetent 19:07:10 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:10:10 <Aali> gynter: yes 19:10:23 <Belugas> now, if only it was so easy to get rid of stupidity on those forums... 19:12:37 <Belugas> orudge, how hard could it be to have a sub tropical skin? 19:12:43 <orudge> well 19:12:47 <orudge> if somebody makes it... 19:12:50 <orudge> there's a Toyland skin :P 19:12:56 <orudge> which I pull out at Easter occasionally 19:12:59 <orudge> well, it's not been updated for phpBB 3 19:13:02 <orudge> but I may do sometime >:3 19:13:43 <gynter> Aali, any fix to this? 19:14:11 <Aali> what do you mean "fix this"? 19:14:22 <Aali> its supposed to be that way 19:15:36 <Aali> if you don't like it, don't use the newgrf 19:15:37 <gynter> to be the way which ignores configuration? thats silly 19:17:29 <Belugas> no, not at all 19:17:39 <Aali> the configuration option doesn't say that it only affects default industries, and that's a bit of a problem 19:17:40 <Belugas> that's the way of the grfs 19:17:54 <Aali> but that is also the only issue here 19:19:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F33C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:46 <Belugas> by definition, a grf can do about anything he wants. 19:19:51 <Belugas> it's a contract 19:19:55 <Belugas> not going to break it 19:21:40 <petern> teehee 19:25:55 *** yorick_ [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:26:57 <Alberth> sounds like a good idea 19:27:59 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:38 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:26 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 19:35:40 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:38:49 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:18 <Bennythen00b> Why cant I write "afk" after my nick? I am not complaining, I just want to knoe. :) 19:39:36 *** vraa [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:45 <Yexo> because there would be a lot of people cluttering the channel with their nick changes 19:39:46 <goodger> a) it's long enough already; b) none of us much cares that you're going away 19:40:16 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 19:40:37 <Bennythen00b> ok 19:40:52 <Bennythen00b> So next time I should leave the channel? 19:41:08 <Yexo> either that, or just stay in the channel with your current nick 19:41:10 <goodger> no... just stop talking 19:41:33 <Bennythen00b> We'll see.. :D 19:41:38 <Yexo> if someone wants to say something to you they'll figure out soon enough you are not there 19:41:40 <joachim> people who need to know can just /whois you 19:41:50 <joachim> or wait for no answer :) 19:44:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:46:07 <Eddi|zuHause> there is always the /away command, but nobody seems to actually use that... 19:46:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.161.92] has joined #openttd 19:46:31 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Wait, using IRC how it is supposed to be used? Pfft. 19:46:31 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: that actually crashes my client sometimes 19:46:39 <edeca> goodger: irssi! :D 19:46:46 <goodger> quiet, you 19:47:02 <goodger> I suffer enough monospaced white-on-black trauma as it is 19:47:03 <petern> i set away when i'm here 19:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: says the person who actually is set to away :p 19:47:19 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Because I'm not here! 19:47:29 <petern> jesus 19:47:31 <thingwath> No, you are not here. 19:47:36 <edeca> petern: He's not here either 19:47:44 <petern> i chopped an onion or two about 30 minutes ago 19:47:48 <petern> maybe more 19:47:49 <thingwath> (If you are not hiding under the bed, I wouldn't recommend doing that.) 19:47:54 <petern> 's still upsetting my eyes :/ 19:48:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i was about to list all people that are set to away... that would have been fun :p 19:48:14 <edeca> petern: Got snow? (I think you're UK) 19:48:19 <petern> yes thanks 19:48:24 <edeca> Mm, snow. 19:48:30 <goodger> edeca: damn you 19:48:37 <goodger> I want snow! 19:48:44 <edeca> goodger: Heck I'm bored of it now. 19:48:46 <petern> it didn't snow today 19:48:59 <edeca> Problem in the UK is that it gets to 1 or 2C, melts, then freezes again over night 19:49:03 <petern> so we had yesterday's partly melted and refrozen slippery stuff to deal with 19:49:04 <petern> hah 19:49:06 <edeca> So you get pretty snow with a thick layer of ice 19:49:11 <Forked> urrgh 19:49:27 <edeca> It's great fun to drive on 19:49:27 <yorick> no snow means more ice :) 19:49:38 <yorick> more ice means more ice-fun 19:50:03 <goodger> problem in cornwall is that basic meteorology prevents us from having the conditions for snow --- under a depression it's too warm and under an anticyclone there's no cloud 19:50:15 <yorick> ice-skating :) 19:50:23 <edeca> goodger: And most of it is by the coast 19:50:51 <edeca> I can remember snow once in 3 years near the coast :( 19:51:04 <goodger> well 19:51:11 <goodger> depends what you mean by "near" 19:51:23 <edeca> Nearer than the midlands :) 19:51:35 <Eddi|zuHause> cornwall... that's like the end of the world, right? 19:51:39 <goodger> that'll do 19:51:49 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: you're very receptive 19:52:43 <goodger> I'm 4 miles inland 19:52:49 <goodger> I don't call that close to the coast 19:53:00 <thingwath> I do. 19:53:07 <edeca> Most of the world would 19:53:08 <petern> there are several places called 'land's end' heh 19:53:20 <edeca> petern: And there are several places that should be 19:53:22 <Eddi|zuHause> wow... these GEZ letters sound more and more aggressive every time... 19:53:24 <Belugas> [14:52] <Eddi|zuHause> cornwall... that's like the end of the world, right? <-- don't make a fire there. Or the wall will pop 19:53:33 <thingwath> it's a bit different when the nearest coast is 400 kilometers away 19:54:19 <goodger> of course, the island is only 31km wide at this point 19:54:21 <petern> my nearest coast is the thames estuary, i guess. does that count as coast? 19:54:30 <goodger> so my perception of "inland" is a bit skewed 19:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> we have a tiny stream and a lake in the village, does that count as coast? 19:54:55 <petern> you are right near the end then 19:55:00 <edeca> petern: Mm, mine is the norfolk coast :| 19:55:02 *** Fantasya [~simas068@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 19:55:07 <edeca> And *nobody* wants to go there 19:55:16 <goodger> petern: actually I'm barely 45mins drive from plymouth 19:55:36 <Belugas> driving a PLymouth 19:55:39 <Belugas> houhouhou 19:55:47 <goodger> it gets much, much thinner of course 19:56:16 <petern> bah, why doesn't google maps have a measuring tool? 19:56:56 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:06 <petern> Belugas, not a particularly well known brand here 19:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> google maps does not work in konqueror 3.5 anymore 19:57:19 <petern> not at all 19:57:21 <goodger> petern: it does, under "my maps" -> "featured content" 19:57:48 <goodger> Belugas: yeah, I've only heard of that brand through old US television 19:57:53 <petern> result 19:59:04 <petern> hmm, the severn is 67 miles away 19:59:14 <edeca> M4 corridor? ;) 19:59:20 <petern> everything is much smaller when you measure as the crow flies... 19:59:51 <petern> 71 miles to the south coast 20:00:04 <petern> 60 miles to the east 20:00:12 <edeca> Now we can pinpoint you and fling stuff! 20:00:28 <edeca> You're pretty much in the middle of the country, I smell Swindon 20:00:39 <petern> nope 20:00:40 <edeca> (middle of the habitable, civilised country that is) 20:00:44 <petern> quite a long way off 20:00:53 <petern> in fact, 45 miles fof 20:00:56 <petern> off 20:01:01 <edeca> Eh, I'm not *that* desperate to work it out, but.. 20:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll be over here... 20:01:04 * edeca clicks google maps 20:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the civilised country 20:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> in the centre 20:01:27 <petern> swindon's much closer to the severn 20:02:09 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: You don't want to live north of Watford gap 20:02:19 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: swindon is absolutely not civilised 20:02:39 <edeca> Woah, my geography is awful, Swindon is practically in wales! ;) 20:02:46 <goodger> most of the M4 corridor is pretty uninteresting 20:02:59 <thingwath> what you mean by 'civilised'? 20:03:02 <edeca> Well I hope you're nearer Reading than Slough 20:03:11 <edeca> thingwath: You know, people only have 1 head and 10 digits 20:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> actually... if you extrapolate the line swindon-london, you end up right here... 20:03:21 <edeca> thingwath: Nobody carries pitchforks, civil unrest is unheard of 20:03:32 <goodger> edeca: downplay the digits 20:03:41 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Leipzig? ;) 20:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> close enough ;) 20:03:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F33C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:03:58 <thingwath> pitchforks :-) 20:03:58 <petern> 11 digits? 20:04:01 *** vraa [~vraa@h222.77.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:11 <goodger> sssh! 20:04:11 <goodger> anyway 20:04:19 <petern> 36 miles from watford gap 20:04:30 <goodger> what is the watford gap? 20:04:40 <edeca> goodger: Service station, the "start of the north" 20:04:45 <petern> a service station on the M1 20:04:58 <edeca> goodger: Or, to be more positive, "the end of the north" 20:04:58 <edeca> goodger: Depends which way you're facing ;) 20:05:00 <petern> near watford, but not the normal watford 20:05:05 <goodger> I was born about 30 miles northnorthwest of watford 20:05:14 <goodger> oh, I see 20:05:16 <edeca> goodger: That's still south of watford gap probably 20:05:28 <edeca> Whoever built the service station had pretty much no idea of geography 20:05:38 <goodger> milton keynes woop 20:05:57 <edeca> goodger: Woop indeed, I'm near enough there 20:06:01 <petern> edeca: "it's near watford, let's call it watford gap" ? 20:06:09 <petern> WRONG WATFORD 20:06:09 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485BDA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:14 <goodger> the first time I went back there after moving to cornwall, I burst into uncontrollable laughter when reading the name "towecester" aloud.. 20:06:17 <edeca> petern: It's nearer Luton or Milton Keynes? 20:06:27 <petern> no, it's right next to watford 20:06:32 <edeca> goodger: Ask an American to pronounce Welwyn 20:06:36 <edeca> petern: Oh, some tiny town? :) 20:06:40 <petern> village 20:06:46 <Belugas> goodger, Plymout is part of my youth, to some extend :) 20:06:59 *** De_Ghost [~s@75-119-239-166.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:01 <Bennythen00b> Plymouth makes nice cars :D 20:07:01 <goodger> Belugas: you have my commiserations 20:07:26 <petern> how would you pronounce welwyn? 20:07:31 <Belugas> commiserations? mmh... another new pedantic word to add to my dicto 20:07:43 *** De_Ghosty [~s@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:47 <Belugas> OUellOuAine 20:07:57 <edeca> petern: "Wellin", not "Well win" 20:10:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F012.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:20 <goodger> edeca: try tywardreath, fowey, lostwithiel, landhydrock, liskeard, ruanlanihorne, trerulefoot, mevagissey... 20:11:33 <goodger> cornwall is full of interesting names such as these 20:11:42 <edeca> goodger: Mm, I always thought it was a bit weird there ;) 20:11:46 <edeca> goodger: Good home made cider though 20:11:57 <goodger> indeed 20:12:39 <edeca> My cider this year has a tendancy to explode when you open the bottle 20:13:42 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:53 <Belugas> means you've added a tiny bit too much sugar to the recipe :) 20:15:11 <Forked> note to self: it's almost always user error.. even when you are the user (or a good friend of him) 20:15:30 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:45 <edeca> Belugas: Yeah, when I bottled it :) 20:15:49 <edeca> Belugas: First time I tried, good fun. 20:15:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-65-34-177-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:15 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:16:18 <Belugas> i'm very good at bottling 20:16:27 <gynter> is it possible to transfer more than 40 mil ⬠to other company? 20:16:28 <Belugas> very leveled bottles 20:16:32 <Belugas> well... at start 20:16:54 <Belugas> gynter, try, and tell us the results... We are dying to know :) 20:19:11 <gynter> no no, i mean is it possible to set the amount from config? 20:19:15 <gynter> or only hardcoded? 20:19:37 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8af.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:22:36 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:44 <frosch123> CommandCost amount(EXPENSES_OTHER, min((Money)p1, (Money)20000000LL)); <- looks pretty hardcoded 20:24:59 <Rubidium> frosch123: really? setting prefix to "", suffix to "â¬" and changing rate accordingly makes it somewhat configurable 20:25:00 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 20:25:39 <petern> hehe 20:29:29 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:04 *** Bennythen00b was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [Bennythen00b] 20:30:30 <Belugas> mmh 20:31:00 <frosch123> yeah, I always use yoctoeuro for my bank balance 20:31:12 <edeca> frosch123: Shame Iceland couldn't do the same 20:31:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:31 <insulfrog> g2g 20:31:31 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has left #openttd [] 20:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> iceland... does that still exist? 20:34:27 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: the country or the frozen food retailer? 20:34:51 <Eddi|zuHause> food what? 20:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> never heard of that one 20:35:39 <goodger> retailer? er, seller... "shop" is not quite the whole meaning, but roughly the same 20:36:33 <goodger> frosch123: try using yottoeuros, that will cause some intriguing computer problems 20:38:17 <petern> that's why 20:38:21 <petern> mum's gone to iceland 20:38:40 <goodger> that's why mum's severely constipated 20:39:17 <goodger> "look at all this --- mini chocolatey bites, mini tarty bites, mini lardy bites, mini bite bites --- and it's only five quid per metric tonne!" 20:40:01 <edeca> Hm, so many English jokes that could be made but wouldn't be understood by 90% ;) 20:40:45 <goodger> edeca: most of the non-english in here have the sort of personality that looks up words in dictionaries for hours until it understands the joke 20:40:58 <Bennythen00b_> Correct 20:41:10 <edeca> goodger: Many of them wouldn't know who waynetta slob is though ;) 20:41:22 <goodger> well, I wouldn't know that either 20:41:33 <edeca> goodger: You never saw Harry Enfield? 20:41:53 <goodger> who on earth is harry enfield? 20:42:30 <goodger> generation gap FAIL :P 20:42:40 <petern> ... 20:42:43 <edeca> goodger: Which generation are you from! 20:42:45 <petern> LOADS A MONEY 20:42:54 <petern> harry enfield has been on telly in the past year... 20:42:54 <goodger> edeca: generation Y 20:43:00 <edeca> goodger: Oh :) 20:43:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.161.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:08 <edeca> petern: His stuff last year was nonsense :( 20:43:28 <petern> indeed 20:43:36 <edeca> You know you're getting old when the generation after you is on the front of the Economist, instead of your own :( 20:44:25 <goodger> edeca: I won't be on the front of the economist for a while yet 20:44:56 <edeca> goodger: Heh, it was the "Generation Y comes of age" article a few weeks back that made me feel old 20:45:08 <goodger> edeca: aha 20:45:24 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:45 <goodger> I would be astounded to find a generation Y-er reading the economist apart from myself, but I'm a very isolated young man 20:45:55 <edeca> goodger: So anyway, In The Night Garden was on an hour ago ;) 20:46:23 <goodger> ...having thoroughly read through harry enfield's wikipedia article I can confirm I have never seen any of his work, ever 20:46:30 <edeca> goodger: Probably for the best 20:46:35 <edeca> goodger: Stick to the Economist 20:46:43 <goodger> heh 20:46:58 <matias> hmm.. does this actually work: last 2 pictures in http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Half_Cloverleaf 20:47:10 <petern> hmm, 20:47:21 <petern> technically i am generation y, though i've never heard of the term before 20:47:36 <goodger> petern: really? 20:47:43 * goodger feels a little less isolated 20:47:46 <goodger> I wonder if there is a register of historic companies' first-year return on capital employed... 20:47:48 <Nite_Owl> You know you are getting old when the naked girls in your magazine are younger then you are 20:48:01 <edeca> petern: Technically? You either are or aren't, unless you can time travel :) 20:48:28 <goodger> matias: they do indeed work 20:48:28 <petern> edeca: apparently the years vary 20:48:28 <edeca> Nite_Owl: Magawhat? 20:48:39 <goodger> ^_^ 20:48:40 <petern> goodger, well, i am 31 this year... 20:48:40 <edeca> petern: Ar, I thought it was an 80s/90s thing 20:48:48 <edeca> petern: Heh, I'm generation X 20:48:55 <matias> goodger: they are missing another direction 20:49:01 <petern> edeca: 1975 to 1978 seems to be the concesus 20:49:02 <Nite_Owl> rather proves my point 20:49:05 <goodger> petern: you can't be generation Y if you're 31... gen Y is 1990 onward 20:49:25 <edeca> goodger: Yeah, I thought it was too.. 20:49:29 <edeca> goodger: But wikipedia disagrees 20:49:29 <goodger> *tut* 20:49:35 <petern> wikipedia says since 1975... 20:49:38 <edeca> goodger: I thought X was 80s, Y was 90s 20:49:55 <edeca> Wikipedia disagrees with the economist and private eye too 20:49:59 <edeca> And they're the LAW 20:50:04 <petern> heh 20:50:06 <goodger> oh, that's irritating 20:50:23 <petern> if X is 80s, then i'm not X or Y... 20:50:25 <goodger> the wikipedia article on generation X has a completely different definition of generation Y 20:50:58 <Nite_Owl> does not pertain to when you were born but when you came of age 20:51:11 <edeca> goodger: Yep, it's completely messed up 20:51:26 <edeca> Nite_Owl: Yeah, hence generation Y came of age last year 20:51:30 <goodger> X = 1980, Y = 1990, Z = 2000... and I'm just within Y, but my friends are all X or older 20:51:32 <edeca> Nite_Owl: 18 years after 1990 20:51:38 <edeca> Nite_Owl: Hence the article I was mentioning 20:51:41 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 20:51:47 * goodger can vote now. be afraid 20:51:51 <goodger> :D 20:52:02 <edeca> goodger: I've got you down as a monster raving loony already 20:52:14 *** Bennythen00b_ [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:15 <petern> what, libdem? 20:52:17 <goodger> edeca: nah, goodger party will sort out this country 20:52:23 <Sacro> <3 libdem 20:52:40 <matias> goodger: half cloverleaf seems to work both directions, but the last two pictures show a version where trains coming from left cannot turn and when turning trains come back, they have to continue to the right.. 20:52:45 <goodger> the lib dems are very nice, but can you imagine them actually running the country? 20:52:51 <edeca> petern: No, monster raving loony as in, er, the monster raving loony party 20:52:58 <petern> quite 20:53:01 <edeca> goodger: My sentiments exactly. Libdem are excellent locally in some areas, but er, 20:53:12 <edeca> Nick Clegg is wasted on 'em too 20:53:17 <goodger> indeed 20:53:22 <edeca> Give them another drunken leader and they'd be good fun again 20:53:23 <Sacro> they are awesome in hull 20:53:51 <petern> Nite_Owl... wait, what magazines? 20:54:06 <goodger> my vote is wasted in cornwall also, because the lib-dems have such a huge majority and it's totally irrelevant because of our silly constituency-based electoral system wheren Labour has a majority of seats but only 35% of the vote 20:54:28 <petern> it's because nobody lives there 20:54:30 <goodger> petern: I think he's talking about pornograms 20:54:34 *** ctibor [~ctibor@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:01 <Nite_Owl> those paper things people looked at before there was an Internet 20:55:10 <petern> YOUNG LADY UNSTRAPS HER SHOE STRAP STOP 20:55:19 <goodger> :D 20:55:51 <edeca> PERSON OF QUESTIONABLE AGE ENTERS STAGE LEFT WEARING LITTLE STOP 20:55:55 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA7CA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:55:57 <goodger> petern: if cornwall's population is 5m, and 2.6m people vote for the lib dems, then the lib dems win cornwall. if 5m people vote for the lib dems, the situation is unchanged 20:56:29 <edeca> Well er, you just described two situations where one party gets >50% of the vote 20:56:50 <goodger> under this system, labour forms a government despite 65% of the country voting against labour 20:57:08 <edeca> As far fewer than 65% of the country turn up to vote, I doubt that. 20:57:08 <goodger> edeca: yes, but in both situations, the entire county of cornwall votes lib dem, as far as forming a government is concerned 20:57:17 <goodger> edeca: 65% of voters 20:57:35 * edeca throws proportional representation to the dogs 20:58:19 <goodger> swiss-style parliamentary and direct democracy FTW 20:58:34 <goodger> westminster system FTL 21:00:42 <goodger> hmm 21:00:46 <goodger> I wish the university of kent would hurry up and process my application 21:02:04 <goodger> the process is not difficult --- review grades, and predicted grades, read personal statement, evaluate whether personal statement indicates psychopathy or genius, read tutor reference, then rubber-stamp "yes", "conditional" or "no" on the paper 21:02:14 <goodger> it must take, what, about twenty minutes 21:02:34 <edeca> Do you have no idea what academics do all day? :) 21:02:53 <edeca> Smoke, talk, smoke, drink, ignore phones, smoke, drink, talk, ignore email, GOTO 10 21:03:10 <goodger> edeca: these admissions officers are employed specifically to do this 21:03:26 <edeca> goodger: Not all of them. 21:03:32 <goodger> edeca: better "repeat until ... false", line 10 may change 21:03:44 <edeca> goodger: Certainly where I went it was one of the tutors who did all of the work processing new students 21:03:54 <goodger> hm 21:04:23 <petern> yeah but that was about 40 years ago 21:04:37 <goodger> sodding cambridge manage to get all their applications done by january the second, why not kent? kent's job is far easier than cambridge's 21:04:37 <edeca> petern: 40/10, yes 21:04:55 <petern> cambridge is easy 21:05:22 <petern> they don't have to take any stupid people to make up numbers 21:05:27 <edeca> Heh 21:06:16 <goodger> petern: they are swamped with tens of thousands of applications with near-identical grades (AAAA, AAAAA, or AAAAAA) and have to rank them 21:06:26 <petern> easy 21:06:32 <petern> AAAAAA > AAAAA > AAAA, etc 21:06:45 <petern> especially if they're foreign 21:06:54 <goodger> yeah, but they have to read the personal statements and references also 21:07:03 <edeca> Nah, it's all opposite if they're foreign as they pay more $$$ 21:07:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:07:23 <goodger> kent on the other hand has the simple question "will they pass the course?" which is achieved on the basis of evaluating the question "have they got 280 points and two Cs at A-level?" 21:07:34 <goodger> which a sodding computer could do automatically 21:07:56 <edeca> That's complete crap though. I have friends who got straight As, were accepted to Cambridge and dropped out after 3 weeks as it wasn't for them 21:08:05 <edeca> And I know people who scraped A-levels but managed a 2:1 21:08:24 <edeca> Anyhow, grades (whether A-level or degree) become obsolete the second you get your first job. 21:08:39 <goodger> precisely, when you get into straight-A territories the ranking becomes impossible 21:08:54 <edeca> goodger: Which further demonstrates how polluted the A-level pool is :) 21:09:01 <goodger> edeca: I'll bet the words "first at Oxford" will get you a better degree than "2:1 at Oxford" 21:09:13 <petern> goodger, did your mono stuff get fixed? 21:09:20 <edeca> Eh, a better degree or better job? 21:09:29 <goodger> edeca: I'm aware of that, and I have designed a replacement, but until I can execute a coup d'etat I will be forced to work within it 21:09:40 <goodger> edeca: a better job, sorry. or a better master's degree 21:09:41 <edeca> You designed a replacement 21:09:57 <edeca> goodger: Everybody knows you get your masters for free if you pass at Oxbridge and pay £100 ;) 21:10:05 <goodger> wasn't difficult, simply identifying the problems was the difficult part 21:10:17 <edeca> Does your replacement involve pain for those who are below average? 21:10:21 <goodger> petern: no, I'm still writing the bug description 21:11:08 <goodger> edeca: it includes a mechanism by which the below-average never apply to a university 21:11:16 <frosch123> George: When a industry is constructed the tiles remember whether they were build on land, sea, river or canal. (see tile property 0D and callback 2F) When the tile was sea before it will continue flooding, when it was river or canal before and the ground sprite of the tile is the plain water tile, it will draw canal/river borders. Neighbored river/canal tiles will only draw their borders when the industry tile was built on land. 21:11:51 <frosch123> But that only works for flat tiles, not industries on shore 21:12:59 <edeca> goodger: Harsh, universities keep many people out of the dole office for 3 years, more if they repeat! ;) 21:13:19 <edeca> goodger: Who would work in your local Tesco? 21:14:11 <goodger> edeca: well, I was working on the basis that people of intelligence below 108 are in fact incapable of achieving a university degree 21:14:44 <edeca> goodger: Your system fails to account for those who are merely lazy and do badly at A-level, but have plenty of potential to succeed at university in one specific subject 21:14:46 <goodger> the people working in my local tesco are all middle-aged women who were made redundant by the regional development agency when they demolished the town centre 21:15:07 <SmatZ> women demolished the town centre? 21:15:34 *** Bennythen00b [~Bennythen@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 21:15:43 <goodger> SmatZ: I'm sure the demolition crew included at least one woman, but they were employed by the RDA 21:16:10 <goodger> edeca: the system removes the A-levels and replaces it with a pre-degree which exhibits more focusing and, more importantly, a more valuable method of teaching and assessment than the current system 21:17:27 <goodger> anyway 21:17:44 <SmatZ> bye goodger :) 21:17:57 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F33C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:18:22 <goodger> it is designed to address the problems with it that lead to people like me getting DDDE at A-level, while people with no obvious capacity for useful thought get AAAAAA 21:18:24 <goodger> (yes, that is six As) 21:19:23 <frosch123> and who cares? 21:19:28 <SmatZ> :-P 21:19:36 * SmatZ likes benjamin 21:20:52 <goodger> frosch123: I care, because despite technically qualifying as a genius I am not allowed access to Cambridge, unlike those above people 21:21:11 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F33C.versanet.de] has quit [] 21:21:30 <goodger> I wasn't even lazy or unmotivated 21:21:42 <goodger> oh well 21:21:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F33C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:21:49 <frosch123> then change cambridge 21:21:53 <goodger> hurry up, university of kent! 21:22:12 <goodger> frosch123: I can't change cambridge, because I am not in government 21:24:13 <edeca> goodger: Heh, I got ADDE (with no effort) and a first at uni. Go figure :\ 21:24:25 <edeca> goodger: I discovered women and weekend jobs at college and decided they were more fun 21:24:44 <goodger> edeca: I'll bet that wasn't cambridge... what was the A? 21:25:19 <edeca> goodger: Heh no, I studied at an old poly (hence the first?) 21:25:24 <edeca> goodger: And the A was computing 21:25:54 <goodger> ah, I got a D in that. I kept putting the correct answer to things 21:26:02 <frosch123> what do you need for "computing"? 21:26:09 * SmatZ just found slackware 10 disc 2 at one of his RWs... 21:26:22 <edeca> frosch123: Nothing much, understand binary and be able to program in VB? Heh 21:26:27 <goodger> i.e., the answer papers for the past papers I did were wrong, according to me, my teacher, my textbook and wikipedia 21:26:50 <goodger> frosch123: you also have to be able to draw a 1960s CPU from memory 21:26:53 <edeca> goodger: That's your problem. You need to get inside the exam and work out what they think they want to know. 21:27:07 <edeca> goodger: That's how I got a first. Don't work out the correct answer, work out what they want to know. 21:27:37 <goodger> edeca: how can I possibly know what they want to know? there are multiple incorrect answers to questions 21:28:26 <goodger> for instance, "what is the capacity of a DVD?" correct answer is 4.7 GiB, the answer they wanted was 6.0 GB 21:28:26 <goodger> (GCSE information technology) 21:28:28 <edeca> goodger: Meh, it's an art, but it works. 21:28:48 <goodger> they asked me to put the correct answer, and I have no way of telling what they think is the answer 21:29:35 <thingwath> "what is the capacity of a DVD?" is a question for the people in your local Tesco :-) 21:30:43 <edeca> thingwath: "One series of Scrubs" hawhawhaw 21:31:05 <goodger> oh well, can't change it now.... will have to rely on UKC giving me a place out (I do not currently meet their entry requirements and I've no idea what my accounting teacher has put for a predicted grade) 21:31:14 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:31:54 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:59 *** ecke [~ecke@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, it's -22°C here 21:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and they talk about global warming... 21:40:21 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Sheesh, we've got headlines about -7 21:40:25 <frosch123> you should turn on the heating 21:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i just did that. even my computer at full load can't heat my room propely anymore 21:40:58 <thingwath> -7 here, only 21:42:32 <goodger> -3 here at midnight last night :S 21:42:41 <goodger> due to clear skies -- no snow :( 21:42:59 <goodger> oh, apparently it's -5 now 21:43:04 <Nite_Owl> 75 Fahrenheit here (Muwahahaha) 21:43:15 <goodger> "humidity 100%" --- google might be a bit off here 21:43:29 <SmatZ> hmm... CDs with RedHad 6.. 7... Mandrake 9... 10.. :-x 21:43:48 <goodger> SmatZ: I've mandrivel six somewhere 21:44:29 <petern> Nite_Owl ... http://www.xkcd.com/526/ 21:45:01 <SmatZ> goodger: I think these CDs will be in trash can soon ;) 21:45:27 <goodger> SmatZ: recycle them as home decorations 21:45:34 * edeca goes 21:45:38 <edeca> Later goodger / petern 21:45:42 <petern> not particularly pretty decorations 21:45:43 <petern> bye 21:45:49 <goodger> they will be a talking point 21:45:49 <goodger> bye edeca 21:46:02 <Nite_Owl> I can not think in metric 21:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> how much is 75°F in real temperatures? 21:46:16 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: about 23-ish 21:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> 25°C? 21:46:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad46205.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:38 <goodger> 23.8888889 21:46:39 <goodger> *shrug* 21:46:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a cool summer you have there 21:47:07 <Nite_Owl> not summer just tropical 21:47:55 <goodger> Nite_Owl: where are you? 21:48:46 <SmatZ> goodger: maybe I will give them to my father, he has many old CDs as decoration ;) also, we are scaring birds with old CDs (but they aren't very scared :-/ 21:49:01 <goodger> heh 21:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that's one of the xkcds that i can't relate to 21:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what strikes me as odd about this, though 21:49:46 <Nite_Owl> goodger: south 21:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "penis: 14cm" 21:49:53 <goodger> Nite_Owl: obviously 21:50:04 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: yes, that's a joke... 21:50:18 <goodger> do I have to dispense a withering look? 21:50:20 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: two litter bottle : 3L 21:51:53 <goodger> yeah, that's odd 21:52:09 <goodger> the US usually uses its weird customary units except for 2L drink bottles 21:52:31 <goodger> why not have a 70-oz bottle instead? 21:52:32 <SmatZ> interesting 21:52:47 <goodger> if they want to use their obscure customary units they should be consistent 21:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i was in the us, they had 96oz bottles 21:53:14 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: that's nearly 3L 21:53:26 <goodger> hence different 21:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:53:35 <glx> 350mL: soda can <-- false a can is 330mL 21:53:46 <petern> not everywhere 21:53:57 <Eddi|zuHause> glx: only metric cans :p 21:54:14 <goodger> glx: a US soda can is 12 fl.oz. = 354ml 21:54:24 <glx> that's why they're fat 21:54:37 <goodger> er, no, the lack of pavements is why they're fat 21:54:47 <petern> they have pavements 21:54:50 <petern> they drive cars on them 21:54:54 <petern> or rather, automobiles 21:55:02 <SmatZ> on pavements? 21:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> germany used to have 0,5l cans (especially for beer) 21:55:10 <petern> yes 21:55:17 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: we have that too 21:55:17 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: you don't have anymore? 21:55:20 <SmatZ> petern: interesting 21:55:21 <goodger> petern: "automobile" is a perfectly good word for a car in the UK also 21:55:21 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: norway still has them 21:55:22 <petern> pavements == road in us... 21:55:33 <petern> goodger, yes, but car isn't in the us 21:55:36 <SmatZ> petern: ahhh :) 21:55:37 <goodger> sidewalk! 21:55:40 <goodger> petern: yes it is 21:55:43 <glx> but beer is better in bottles 21:55:50 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: they got unpopular when the government forced a return fee on them 21:55:52 <thingwath> One beer = 500 ml. 21:55:55 <petern> "auto" is used more 21:55:58 <Belugas> nope... beer is better in the throat 21:56:04 *** enra [~enra@203-59-199-114.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:56:11 <petern> a beer should be 568ml, sheesh :/ 21:56:16 <goodger> 1 beer = 568ml :P 21:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you go to Köln, there "1 beer" will give you 200ml 21:56:51 <thingwath> Uhm, where? 21:56:58 <frosch123> cologne 21:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> or to MÃŒnchen, there you'll get 1l 21:57:11 <thingwath> (that 568 thing) 21:57:18 <petern> 568ml being a pint 21:57:34 <petern> a proper pint, not a us pint 21:57:45 <goodger> *nod* 21:58:05 <glx> silly imperial being not the same in different countries 21:58:18 <petern> no 21:58:26 <petern> silly americans for messing up imperial 21:58:34 <petern> it's hardly imperial's fault 21:58:40 <Eddi|zuHause> PS: by that table, it is FUCKFUCKFUCKCOLD 21:58:48 <goodger> one of the few remaining imperial measures in use in the UK 21:59:07 <goodger> we have mph/miles [for cars], pints [for milk and beer], psi [for car tyres] and stones/pounds/feet/inches [for measuring people] 21:59:36 <petern> and 454g for bags of sugar... 21:59:55 <gynter> how old must company be to buy shares from? 22:00:02 <petern> 5 years i think 22:00:03 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 22:00:13 <glx> if it's allowed by settings 22:00:18 <Wolf01> 'night 22:00:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> germany has very few non-metric measures still in use 22:00:34 <goodger> that's about it, I think 22:00:35 <goodger> petern: no, 1kg for sugar.. :S 22:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> funny is the pound 22:01:07 <Eddi|zuHause> which got metrified 22:01:08 <glx> 500g 22:01:10 <Eddi|zuHause> to 500g 22:01:24 <glx> that's the unit for baby's weight 22:01:32 <goodger> well, that's ok 22:01:54 <goodger> calling a half-kilo a pound because it is roughly a pound is fine 22:01:56 <glx> and for butter too 22:02:18 <goodger> we would call a half-litre a pint, no doubt, if we started using metric for drinks 22:03:00 * Sacro hates getting 14oz of drink 22:03:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i really wonder why you didn't do that already 22:03:13 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: nationalists 22:03:15 <Eddi|zuHause> cut drink content by 10%, charge same price 22:03:19 <SmatZ> are UK and US units the same? pound, gallon, inch... ? 22:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's really a no-brainer 22:03:29 <petern> SmatZ: no 22:03:31 <glx> gallon is not the same 22:03:35 <SmatZ> that's even more confusing :( 22:03:38 <frosch123> they wait for calling a half euro a pound 22:03:44 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad84b43.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:45 <petern> well 22:03:48 <petern> pund and inches are 22:03:49 <petern> er 22:03:51 <petern> pounds and inches 22:03:58 <petern> but they don't use stones 22:03:59 <goodger> SmatZ: the pound and inch are the same, the gallon and pint are wildly different (and they don't use stones) 22:04:06 <glx> they have differences for volumes mainly 22:04:13 <petern> 473ml vs 568ml 22:04:21 <SmatZ> thanks :-) 22:04:33 <goodger> frosch123: £1 will soon be worth 0,50⬠so that will be OK 22:04:36 <petern> hence american mpgs look lower than english mpgs... 22:04:50 <goodger> oh, we also quote our car's fuel consumption in miles per gallon 22:05:13 <glx> L/100Km is easier to compare I think 22:05:47 <goodger> glx: mpg is impossible to compare because it's effectively a log scale 22:05:54 <goodger> the difference between 19 and 20 mpg is more than the difference between 20 and 21 22:06:06 <Belugas> night all 22:06:15 <petern> no it's not 22:06:22 <petern> it's a difference of 1 mile to a gallon 22:07:43 <goodger> ah, but if you want to compare how much fuel the two cars use, then it is different 22:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause> how did we manage to get from cold temperatures to how far cars can go? 22:08:05 <glx> anyway 20L/100Km may scare them :) 22:08:13 <thingwath> evil imperial units 22:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao :p 22:09:15 <thingwath> 20l/100km is scary 22:09:33 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad84b6d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:43 <glx> but usual for a big V8 22:10:25 <goodger> 19 mpg = 12.37 l/km; 20 mpg = 11.76 l/100km (0.61 less); 21 mpg = 11.20 l/100km (0.56 less) 22:10:56 <glx> so it's a unit for the bigger the better :) 22:11:25 <goodger> so, changing from 20 to 21 is not as effective as changing from 19 to 20 22:12:01 <thingwath> but still by only a tiny difference 22:13:19 <goodger> in fact, changing from 52 to 60 mpg is the same as changing from 19 to 20 mpg 22:13:19 <goodger> in terms of improvement in fuel consumption 22:13:41 *** entropy [~maeror@ppp78-37-62-79.pppoe.komi.dslavangard.ru] has joined #openttd 22:13:49 <goodger> which is why this sort of scale is very bad when trying to get people to improve their cars 22:14:06 <frosch123> then express it in improvement of propulsion 22:14:27 <entropy> is there any mechanism of changing the minimal production of industries? 22:14:32 <goodger> well, no, it should just be expressed in l/100km all the way through 22:14:34 <frosch123> on in the amount of gas stations you can close 22:15:09 <frosch123> entropy: press ctrl-alt-c and activate modifying of production 22:15:45 <entropy> :( multiplayer 22:15:59 <petern> co2/km 22:16:13 <thingwath> goodger: even for a tanks or other armored vehicles? :) 22:16:28 <glx> co2/km doesn't mean much 22:16:39 <glx> it depends on L/100km 22:16:41 <goodger> thingwath: especially 22:16:48 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad84b43.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:48 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 22:17:01 <goodger> glx: CO2/km is in fact the fundamental unit of fuel economy 22:17:29 <goodger> a litre of diesel fuel contains more energy than a litre of gasoline 22:17:29 <goodger> so comparing diesels and petrols on the basis of L/100km is pointless 22:17:35 <glx> but for common people it means nothing 22:17:36 <petern> as i understand it, at some point some us car makers pumped extra air into the exhaust to lower the %age of bad stuff 22:17:51 <thingwath> well, there is a myth, that tank has 100l/100km :) 22:18:02 <petern> what? 22:18:17 <glx> thingwath: no it's true :) 22:18:18 <Sacro> FAT BOTTOMED GIRLS YOU MAKE THE ROCKIN' WORLD GO ROUND 22:18:37 <thingwath> true for which tank? 22:18:44 <goodger> thingwath: about 700 I think 22:18:44 <goodger> for some tanks 22:18:47 <goodger> some arbitrary tank 22:18:51 <thingwath> (and what fuel) 22:18:57 <Vikthor> glx: depends on which tank and terrain it ravels trough 22:19:01 <SmatZ> and what 100km 22:19:12 <thingwath> well, it doesn't get that low 22:19:25 <SmatZ> city/highway/forest/water/desert... 22:19:31 <SmatZ> combined :) 22:19:41 <glx> and usually the unit is L/h for those 22:19:42 <entropy> tanks don't use gasoline :) 22:19:49 <petern> entropy: wrong 22:19:56 <SmatZ> indeed, glx :) 22:20:48 <petern> when do we find a cheap source of hydrogen? 22:20:52 <entropy> no, for example, russian T-80 have a gas turbine 22:20:57 <thingwath> old german tanks had gasoline engines 22:21:12 <goodger> petern: we have one now, it is harvestable cheaply from the burning of natural gas 22:21:39 <goodger> when we run out of natural gas we will probably be forced to electrolyse water, which will have to be powered by solar or something 22:21:44 <entropy> abd t-90 uses diesel engine 22:22:31 <Vikthor> goodger: ehmm, natural gas is not currently much available around Europe :) 22:22:57 <thingwath> Russia is still in Europe, partly :o) 22:23:03 <goodger> true... 22:23:14 <fjb> I found the diesel consumption of the german Leopard 2 tank: 22:23:19 <fjb> StraÃe: ca. 340 l/100 km, ca. 340 km 22:23:20 <fjb> 22:23:22 <fjb> GelÀnde: ca. 530 l/100 km, ca. 220 km 22:23:23 <fjb> Mittel: ca. 410 l/100 km, ca. 280 km 22:23:25 <fjb> Standlauf: 12,5 l/h, 72â93 Stunden (bei 900â1.160 Liter Kraftstoffmenge) 22:23:26 <Vikthor> thingwath: But most of it's gas reservers aren't anyway 22:23:49 <Vikthor> * its and *reserves 22:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: if you then consider that the thing can go 120km/h 22:25:14 <thingwath> where? 22:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to refill twice before you reach paris :p 22:25:25 <frosch123> verically falling 22:25:28 <fjb> But still quite much. 22:26:16 <thingwath> another question is how far it can go before the engine need replacement 22:28:26 <fjb> Engine replacement in the field takes about 15 mins, so you are not delayed that much. 22:29:27 <thingwath> new engines are expensive :) 22:30:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think the engine of the tank is the most expensive :p 22:30:10 <fjb> Nobody considers that when buying or using military equipment. :-) 22:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but i was not in a tank unit, i don't knwo 22:30:50 <thingwath> But I want to conquer the world... and I have only very limited budget :/ 22:31:13 <goodger> thingwath: get venture capital 22:31:17 <frosch123> no, it is important that you can get spare parts for 50 years 22:32:03 <glx> spare parts and people able to use them 22:32:15 <glx> s/use/repair/ 22:32:29 <glx> that's a problem for nuclear plants 22:32:59 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8af.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC] 22:33:03 <glx> and it's even worse with increased usage of electronic components 22:33:27 <fjb> How can I read my C-64 disks? 22:33:40 <glx> 3" disks? 22:33:47 <petern> with a C64 22:34:21 <goodger> fjb: what filesystem did it use? 22:35:24 <fjb> Standard Commodore filesystem and one has a strange filesystem aparently only used by Data Becker. 22:36:05 <goodger> you're screwed 22:37:30 <fjb> I thought that. But I should have some printouts of my old Basic stuff. :-) 22:38:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14880 /trunk/src/ (sound.cpp viewport.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: make it clear which way the FOR_ALL_WINDOWS goes (from back to front or vice versa) and make it iterate over the Window* instead of Window**. 22:38:56 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-65-34-177-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:22 <fjb> But that is one of the reasons why I'm still using film to capture pictures. 22:40:13 <goodger> well, computers will be backward-compatible with CD/DVD/BluRay until the end of time 22:40:28 <fjb> As always... 22:40:41 <frosch123> as long as harddisk capacity increases as fast as your needs there is no problem 22:41:29 <fjb> But you have to copy everything over and over again. Most people forget about that. 22:41:36 <thingwath> it increases much faster, few last years :-) 22:41:37 <petern> goodger, as i understand it the C64 disk controller was 'special' in that software could run on it 22:41:52 <petern> and thus disks could be whatever format chosen... 22:42:11 <frosch123> fjb: when I buy a new harddisk, I copy all data on it. That is only one task 22:42:12 <goodger> ah 22:42:44 <matias> hmm.. what do you think about this one: http://www.matelijat.net/kuvat/3-way_junction.png 22:42:58 * goodger does not know whether he will be able to remove disks from his lvm while preserving the filesystem... 22:43:03 <fjb> And you hopefully have a second harddisk for backups. 22:43:08 <glx> matias: it needs signals 22:43:16 <matias> yes, i didn't make them 22:43:45 <matias> main line goes from left to right 22:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> matias: does not look very realistic to me 22:43:59 <frosch123> fjb: including the old harddisk I have about 5 backups for the oldest data 22:44:30 <fjb> Better only old data then none. 22:44:37 <frosch123> and did you ever tried to read a burned cd older than 5 years 22:45:18 <glx> yes, no problems 22:45:28 <frosch123> or a 3.5" floppy from middle 90s 22:45:38 *** Digitalfox_ [~Digitalfo@bl4-211-110.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:45:39 <fjb> Depends heavily on the combination of burner and cd. 22:45:55 <glx> floppies are another story 22:46:14 <frosch123> maybe, but I am happy to only store stuff on (external) harddisks 22:46:25 <fjb> I have some difficulty to read DVDs about a year old while other three year old DVDs are fine. 22:46:28 <matias> glx: but is it fast if i would place the signals? 22:46:54 <frosch123> btw. 360k floppys are no problem 22:47:17 <glx> 1.44M are worse 22:47:54 <fjb> The sectors of 360k floppies are quite big. 22:47:55 *** ctibor [~ctibor@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:06 <glx> ejection system is silly 22:49:39 <Sacro> erection system? 22:49:51 <fjb> Btw, I'm missing gosub and return as advanced orders. :-) 22:49:57 <goodger> Sacro: I know more about that than I probably shoul 22:49:57 <goodger> d 22:52:42 <gynter> hmm 22:53:00 <gynter> you know that you can earn money with shares & 2 companies? 22:53:23 <matias> glx: tried to fix Half Cloverleaf problems: join before leave, turn left to go right.. 22:53:56 <Yexo> gynter: see http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Multiplayer_cheating 22:54:08 <Yexo> matias: it has a very slow turn in the middle 22:54:38 <matias> Yexo: yes, it should be larger 22:54:51 <gynter> hmm making a config option which disables money as company value would be good :P 22:54:54 <matias> Yexo: scale up :) 22:55:20 <Yexo> in that case: con: too big :p 22:55:38 <matias> Yexo: half cloverleaf has worse turn.. 180 dec 22:56:31 <Yexo> matias: were did I say the half cloverleaf was any good? 22:56:31 *** PinguTux [~PinguTux@pD9E9CC33.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:37 *** PinguTux [~PinguTux@pD9E9CC33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:56:45 <matias> Yexo: what should i look? 22:56:53 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Half_Spaghetti <- that is a decent one 22:57:10 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Ultimate_3-way_junction <- and that the best one 22:57:19 <Yexo> depends on what you want of course 22:57:33 <goodger> the ultimate 3-way junction demands an awful lot of space 22:57:43 <goodger> in my experience there usually isn't that much space between towns 22:57:54 <Yexo> in that case, try the Half Transmogrified junction 22:58:04 <goodger> or at least stations 22:58:34 <Yexo> better yet, don't use any pre-made junctions but just make them up on-the-fly depending on the current situation (space, hiils?, etc.) 22:58:51 <goodger> that's very inefficient 22:59:01 <Yexo> why is that inefficient? 22:59:42 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:10 <goodger> well, these designs have all been created for efficiency 23:00:19 <goodger> presumably any attempt of mine to build a junction will be less efficient 23:00:38 <matias> Yexo: half-spaghetti downside: turn right to turn left 23:00:54 <Yexo> matias: since we have yapf, that is not reallly a problem anymore 23:01:09 <matias> yapf? 23:01:31 <Yexo> don't botter about that, just remember that turning right to turn left is not a problem 23:01:42 <matias> ah, pathfinder 23:01:50 <Yexo> yapf = a 'new' train pathfinder, were 'new' is a few years old now 23:02:10 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 23:02:50 <Yexo> goodger: that's al nice, but what if there is a mountain side I want to create a junction on? I can't use any of the standard onces without flattening the whole mountain 23:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> any train pathfinder available in openttd is "new" 23:03:22 <glx> Yexo: you gave NTP definition 23:03:34 <glx> yapf is Yet Another PathFinder 23:03:57 <Yexo> glx: it was not meant to be the definition, I know what yapf (and ntp) stand for 23:04:03 <matias> which junctions you usually use? 23:05:20 <Aali> i'm thinking maybe having a list of pre-made junctions at the wiki isn't such a good idea 23:05:55 <glx> building junctions is the best part of the game for me 23:06:22 <matias> Aali: why not? it gives you an idea how to make efficient tracks 23:06:23 <Yexo> I agree with glx :) 23:06:28 <Aali> its definitely a big part of the game if you like trains 23:06:33 <Yexo> Aali: it's good to have a list to get inspiration for new players 23:06:40 <Aali> i know 23:07:07 <Aali> but still, you want to learn how to improvise, build something of your own :) 23:07:12 <matias> as a new user i made individual tracks because of i didn't know how to make a good junction 23:07:15 <Aali> thats where the fun starts 23:07:16 <frosch123> the best part of the game is to press ctrl-v and paste the finished network over the landscape :p 23:07:33 <fjb> I'm usually using: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/YAPP#Basic_junction 23:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no two of my stations ever look the same 23:08:00 <matias> Aali: this is my own http://www.matelijat.net/kuvat/3-way_junction.png 23:08:15 <matias> Aali: wihtou signals 23:08:22 <matias> typos 23:08:53 * Yexo still thinks it's the most fun to take a running 3-way junction and upgrade it (either make it 4-way or add an extra lane) without stopping or crashing the trains 23:09:27 <Aali> thats not bad, speed will suffer from that 2x45 curve though :) 23:09:34 <glx> and click at the wrong signal :) 23:09:39 <glx> oops 23:09:47 <Yexo> that's part of the game :) 23:10:13 <glx> it can be fun with PBS and reserved tracks 23:10:54 <matias> Aali: slightly longer version wouldn't have that 2x45 curve 23:12:18 <matias> Aali: and what matters: I played the game first time 2 days ago 23:13:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc648.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:09 <matias> never seen transport tycoon before :) 23:13:42 <matias> ah, that's not right.. never played or seen it played before 23:16:52 <matias> where can i find how much trains slow down in turns 23:17:19 <Aali> check out the wiki page on realistic acceleration 23:17:37 <Aali> and welcome to the community :) 23:18:05 <matias> ok, so i should get rid of that one.. 23:18:53 <Eddi|zuHause> how come i am the only person who almost never has "3 way junctions"? 23:19:54 * fjb has almost never 4-way junctions. 23:20:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14881 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix (r14880): somehow make didn't think that widgets/dropdown.cpp did depend on window_gui.h... 23:20:21 <fjb> There are many different ways to play this game. That is most of the fun in my opinion. 23:20:36 <fjb> This is from my actual game: http://www.imgwelt.de/show.php?code=SRAPO3TZK1H 23:21:58 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: your networks look like model railways (which is way cool) :P 23:23:25 *** ctibor [~ctibor@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-228-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:24:41 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 23:25:19 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@174.155.120.226] has joined #openttd 23:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%2020.%20Okt%201925.png <- i think this is one of my worst junctions... 23:26:36 <Sacro> zomg XD 23:26:52 *** roboboy [7248c51b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> indeed :p 23:27:13 <goodger> I am inclined to agree 23:28:18 <Aali> hmm, I only have one screenshot of a junction I've built and it's quite old by now 23:28:26 <Aali> http://epaaj.no-ip.org/upl/O%27Donnell%20%26%20Co.%2C%2029th%20Sep%202220.png 23:28:44 <fjb> Fighting against Yexo's ai for water and gold: http://www.imgwelt.de/show.php?code=FS2XC41H1JK 23:28:45 <Aali> even I get a headache just by looking at it 23:29:02 <Aali> not all tracks are connected (and they're not supposed to be) 23:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transporte,%204.%20Sep%201925.png <- well, other parts of the network looked better than that :) 23:29:19 <Aali> some tracks aren't even part of the junction, they just take a detour around it 23:30:55 <fjb> Hm, DBset, reminds my of my attempts to draw some railway equipment. :-( 23:31:28 <goodger> I like those trees 23:38:02 <matias> ok, new try: http://www.matelijat.net/kuvat/3-way_junction2.png 23:43:11 <Eddi|zuHause> looks alright to me, for 130km/h 23:44:02 <matias> are others faster? 23:44:25 <[com]buster> depends on how long your trains are... 23:45:48 <Aali> the ultimate 3-way (from the wiki) is CL3, that is, 3-tile trains dont slow down and others get the penalty for 3 tiles between two curves 23:46:22 <Aali> your junction is CL2 right now, used to be CL1 23:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> matias: how about you have some trains run on it, and then judge whether it performs well enough? 23:47:32 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:01 <matias> does a curve slow more than a slope? 23:48:26 <Aali> slopes only slow down if your trains aren't powerful enough ;) 23:48:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14882 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Change: move widgets related files to their own category (MSVC) 23:48:38 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:48:58 <Aali> while curve speed limits are constant 23:49:07 <matias> ok 23:49:27 <Aali> so it all depends on your trains, but narrow curves are usually much worse 23:57:38 <matias> is there some statistic from curves / slopes? i think i found one today, but didn't read it 23:58:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:39 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu]