Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:00:40 <Zuu> When I updated my PAXLink to v4 I had to go to the settings window and change PAXLink to PAXLink or it would start v3 on that slot it seamed. 00:01:22 <Roujin> by the way, is it desired behavior that the second item in the list is selected on opening (because the first is "random AI"), or an obiwan or such? 00:01:25 <Zuu> (that is on my non-dev OpenTTD installation) 00:02:30 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:03:00 <Yexo> Zuu: did you restart openttd after updating to v4? 00:03:12 <Zuu> I don't think so. 00:03:30 <Yexo> then that's your problem 00:03:43 <Zuu> I just ended the current game, went to check online content and downloaded v4. 00:04:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C9DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:16 <glx> Yexo: but AI and newgrf are reloaded after update 00:05:30 <glx> s/reloaded/rescaned/ 00:05:40 <Yexo> glx: sure, but in AIConfig one AIInfo is stored, and that version is loaded again 00:05:50 <Yexo> easy fix though 00:06:35 <wollollo> hm, I can't find a way to download a language file including pending strings from wt2 00:06:56 <wollollo> I guess "download modified" ought to do just that, but it doesn't 00:06:56 <Yexo> glx: http://devs.openttd.org/~Yexo/latest_version.diff 00:07:24 <Zuu> If it changes automatically to next version if you restart OpenTTD I think it would be good if AISettings change it directly when you upgrade. However if you would have a interface for selecting version then it would be a different question. 00:07:33 <dihedral> wollollo, you should get the flat langauge file (uncompiled) 00:07:57 <wollollo> from where? I tried everywhere I could think of 00:09:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15182 /trunk/src/ai/ai_config.cpp: -Fix: After updating an AI select the latest version for the next game. 00:09:52 <Yexo> Zuu: there you go :) 00:09:54 <Roujin> Yexo: once you've sorted out the Convoy issue, may I suggest adding double click capability to the AI Configuration window? The "Available AI" window already has it, but if you want to set up several AIs, it would be nice to have double click a slot in the "AI configuration" window open the AI selection window. 00:10:02 <Zuu> Yexo: Nice work 00:10:36 <Yexo> Roujin: should it always open the "Select AI" window? Or should it open the "Configure AI" window when a non-random AI is in that slot? 00:10:44 <Yexo> or always the "Configure AI" window? 00:11:06 <Roujin> I'd say "select AI" as that's the more basic choice 00:11:44 <Roujin> Also, you can double click a slot, double click the AI you want, and then it is already selected and you can click "configure AI" to adjust the details.. 00:12:06 <Yexo> Other opinions? Is always opening the "Select AI" window ok? 00:12:28 <glx> wollollo: indeed both download link seems to send the unmodified version 00:14:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r15183 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix: stand-alone rail tiles with invalid owner were not removed. Also, make the whole check a bit more intelligent. 00:15:09 <petern> happens all the time 00:18:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r15184 /trunk/src/ai/ai_config.cpp: -Cleanup: remove extra spaces 00:19:12 <glx> very important commit ;) 00:19:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15185 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15175): It was impossible to select AIs that had a different instance name then their name. 00:28:36 <el_en> unrelated question: why is it ok to say "an history"? 00:28:43 *** angelo is now known as angelo_afk 00:30:13 <Roujin> is it? 00:30:43 <Roujin> if it is, it's probably because the first (spoken) letter after the "a/an" is a "i" 00:31:10 <Roujin> or something 00:31:53 <Roujin> i'd not say "an history" though... sounds weird 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77EFC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:33 <Roujin> hmm the content downloading list can get pretty mixed up 00:33:57 <roboboy> can I forcefuly load a grf in the middle of game with no vehicles built? 00:34:46 <Yexo> roboboy: just save your game and try it 00:35:58 <Roujin> if you open the content download window from the newgrf window (with some newgrfs active), it will show only the newgrfs you have active, then from the AI selection window, it will add to the list the AIs and their needed libraries, and finally from the title screen, it will append the rest 00:36:31 <roboboy> and can I reset the available vehicles 00:36:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15186 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: 00:36:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix: Select the currently selected AI instead of the second on in the list. 00:36:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Feature: Double clicking on a slot in the AI config window results in opening the list of AIs. 00:37:17 <Roujin> like this, I now have 5 newgrfs, 5 AIs, 4 AI libraries, then OpenGFX, x newgrfs, finally 2 AI libraries 00:38:00 <Roujin> Nice one Yexo, thanks ;) 00:41:22 <Roujin> hmm, I wonder why the content list is not sortable by name/category... 00:42:27 <Roujin> it already has those nice clickable column buttons, but they are not functional :P 00:44:14 <glx> roboboy: resetengines after apply should work 00:44:37 <Yexo> doesn't it do that automatically? 00:44:42 <glx> no 00:48:02 <Roujin> hmm 00:49:56 <Roujin> if you lower the max # of competitors, the AI you've selected for [slot > max#] stays in that slot but becomes grey==unchangable. That seems a bit strange to me.. 00:50:39 <Yexo> Roujin: if you use start_ai (without paramaters) in the console,that AI will still be started instead of a random AI. 00:51:46 <Roujin> then maybe it should stay changeable, even if it's greyed out..? 00:51:58 <Yexo> that would mean that all slots are changeable 00:52:22 <Roujin> except the human player slot.. 00:52:25 <Roujin> but yes 00:53:06 <Roujin> oh wait, I've got an alternative 00:53:11 <Yexo> I don't see a reason to change it, if you want to start Ais during the game with start_ai you can as well use "start_ai ainame parameters" 00:53:30 <Zuu> When download is done (from content server) I think either the small download window should auto-close or there should be two buttons on it one "Download more" to close just that window and one "done"/"close" to also close the content download window. 00:53:52 <Roujin> the "Maximum no. competitors" is already displayed in the AI configuration window, why not add two arrows to make it adjustable right there? 00:54:39 <Yexo> Roujin: that was the plan, I simply forgot 00:54:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228071051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:55:27 <Zuu> And on the topic of the 5 different settings windows, I noticed that difficulty uses the most common way to place the major button to the left. But the AI Settings dialog uses the Gnome-way to put it in lower right corner. The check online content uses also the gnome-way by placing the download button on the lower right corner. :-) 00:55:30 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860f7c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 00:56:02 <Zuu> (personally I like the gnome-way better, but don't care to much which method is used) 00:57:01 <Roujin_> Yexo: oh, great ;) then I take back what I said about "all slots changable" ^^ 01:01:54 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860f7c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:30 <roboboy> do I type reset engines in the console 01:03:57 <Yexo> without the space, so: resetengines 01:17:17 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860f7c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 01:24:44 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-210.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:35:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-227-16.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:34 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 01:37:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15187 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_road.cpp: -Fix: assert when an AI called AIRoad::GetNeighbourRoadCount on a tile at the north edge (bug found by SmatZ). 01:56:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15188 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Feature: You can now change the number of AIs from the AI config window. 02:08:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r15189 /trunk/src/saveload/ (oldloader.cpp ttdloader.cpp): -Cleanup: remove unused includes 02:09:28 <SmatZ> ... blind ... 02:10:21 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:45 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:32:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15190 /trunk/src/ (31 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: Allow terraforming of the tiles at the edges of the map. 02:32:33 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet693.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:32:37 <SmatZ> weeee 02:33:01 <Yexo> SmatZ: I forgot to mention you :( 02:33:19 <SmatZ> no problem :-) 02:38:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:38:18 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:21 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 02:43:00 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:49:47 *** vraa [~vraa@h101.162.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:50:49 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep. ^_^ ] 02:51:47 *** vraa [~vraa@h101.162.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 03:01:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:19:09 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 03:19:10 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:50 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:46 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:47:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r15191 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15188): -1 is not a bool (MSVC warning) 03:57:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 04:02:02 *** Zorni [zorn@e177233237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:09:25 *** Zorn [zorn@e177229215.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:14:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:18:27 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1F5D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:39:31 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 04:39:32 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:39:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:42:30 *** michi_cc [a216c0451c@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:57:02 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 05:11:03 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:19:14 *** zilfondel [~chatzilla@h-67-100-125-124.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #openttd 05:21:58 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 05:23:46 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:32:12 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32:24 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 05:34:38 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 05:50:45 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8E88.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:00:16 *** michi_cc [74e23a8b44@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 06:00:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 06:10:43 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1E402.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:21:07 *** vraa [~vraa@h101.162.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:32:06 *** michi_cc [74e23a8b44@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.209.80] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59:27 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:09:25 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:11:15 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EDEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 07:11:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:17:16 <Pikka> lies 07:17:22 <petern> yes 07:17:29 <Pikka> hello petern 07:17:34 <Pikka> how are you? 07:21:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:21:21 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21:24 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 07:27:36 <petern> alright 07:34:11 <Pikka> huzzah! 07:39:21 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 07:39:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 07:42:40 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F1E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:45:41 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has joined #openttd 07:51:36 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:56:23 <Celestar> morning 07:56:42 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:58:49 <Forked> heya :) 07:59:01 <Timitry> heyho 07:59:08 <Celestar> my boss needs a clue :/ 08:01:27 <Celestar> thinks that spending about 2.5k/employee/year for IT infrastructure is too much 08:04:08 <Tefad> might work if you have decent IT staff and inexpensive software solutions 08:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i would have estimated that an employee should get his monthly wage worth of equipment, so effectively the employer pays twice as much for the employee 08:04:29 <Eddi|zuHause> not limited to IT infrastructure 08:09:04 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I quite agree. 08:11:53 <Timitry> Hm... While checking out the svn-repository svn.openttd.org/trunk" target="_blank">http://svn.openttd.org/trunk, it did download the files that have been changed and the new ai-files, but it gives me an error for the folder src/3rdparty/squirrel - Could not connect to host svn.openttd.org: The connection could not be established because the host denied the connection. 08:12:11 <Timitry> I have to do it via http:// because i can't use svn:// at my workplace 08:12:54 <Timitry> If i delete any files from my local folder, it will download them again without problems, but not that folder... 08:14:19 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:18:25 <Eddi|zuHause> squirrel is included via svn:externals 08:21:23 <Timitry> Do i need it for compiling, or could i just ignore the error? 08:22:09 <Timitry> Since mSys won't let me proceed without that folder... 08:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you can check it out manually 08:25:16 <petern> you do need it 08:26:21 <Timitry> How can i check it out manually? :) 08:43:18 <dihedral> mornin 08:44:23 <dihedral> Yexo_: r15190 <- do i trace a hint of freeform map edges? 08:45:04 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 08:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> no, your senses are tricking you 08:48:08 <Eddi|zuHause> use the force 08:49:37 <dihedral> you have a helmet i can wear? one that lets me see absolutely nothing if i put the visor down? 08:59:59 <Celestar> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070924-000655.jpg <= yeah. right. 09:00:30 <dihedral> Celestar: it is nice to see you back :) 09:00:46 * Celestar hugs dihedral :P 09:01:31 <SmatZ> oh hello Celestar :-) 09:01:35 <Celestar> hey 09:01:49 <dihedral> Celestar: anyone can see that the image has been edited 09:01:49 <dihedral> look at the question ;-) 09:01:55 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:07 <Celestar> (= 09:02:28 * SmatZ isn't anyone :-P 09:03:06 <dihedral> lol 09:03:06 <dihedral> you can see next to the question mark (to the right) that there is another faint one 09:03:06 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:15 <dihedral> looks like the original question was wiped away, and pretty poorly too 09:03:29 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:04:16 <SmatZ> well it can be "shadow" caused by analog process... 09:04:32 <SmatZ> but well, it is probably edited :) 09:04:33 <dihedral> nope 09:04:45 * SmatZ lowers brightness back :) 09:04:51 <dihedral> because you see the same gray shade at the left to 09:05:17 <SmatZ> ok :-) 09:06:09 <SmatZ> I want to believe that woman is that stupid :-P 09:07:19 <dihedral> LOL 09:09:06 <petern> http://67.19.222.106/radiotv/graphics/elephant2.jpg 09:09:26 <petern> and she got £32,000 09:09:29 <SmatZ> nice :) 09:09:32 <petern> so she's not stupid 09:11:03 <dihedral> and that does not look like a 32k question imo 09:11:34 <petern> well, not £32,000 for that question... 09:12:02 <SmatZ> I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, petern 09:12:13 <petern> what? 09:12:17 <dihedral> lol 09:12:52 <SmatZ> ok then :) I wasn't sure the word "stupid" isn't too offensive after you replied 09:13:13 <dihedral> src/table/landscape_sprite.h:9: warning: '_landscape_spriteindexes_1' defined but not used 09:13:28 <dihedral> src/table/landscape_sprite.h:35: warning: '_landscape_spriteindexes_2' defined but not used 09:13:42 <dihedral> src/table/landscape_sprite.h:72: warning: '_landscape_spriteindexes_3' defined but not used 09:14:17 <SmatZ> it is used in gfxinit.cpp 09:14:28 <dihedral> i have no idea 09:14:46 <dihedral> i only noticed that those warnings just showed up 09:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> not all files that include a header use all things defined in that header 09:15:00 <SmatZ> what compiler is that? 09:15:17 <SmatZ> gcc doesn't warn about unused static functions/variables (I think) 09:15:30 <dihedral> powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5026) 09:15:38 <SmatZ> makes sense... 09:15:50 <dihedral> and i am proud of that 09:15:50 <SmatZ> :o) 09:15:51 <Rubidium> newgrf.cpp? 09:16:13 <dihedral> i like my mac! 09:16:24 <SmatZ> 4.0.0 isn't very recent... and probably not as tested as 3.4.6 09:16:52 <dihedral> yes, i should install xcode2.4 09:17:00 <dihedral> i think right now i have 2.2 09:17:41 <Rubidium> SmatZ: newgrf.cpp includes the file without needing it to be included 09:17:56 <SmatZ> Xcode 3.0, the latest major version, is bundled free with Mac OS X v10.5, 09:18:12 <dihedral> i have 10.4 09:18:21 <dihedral> i'll see if i can get 3.0 but i kinda doubt it 09:18:24 * Celestar wonders whether to use VMware, virtualbox or Xen 09:18:44 <dihedral> VMWare esx i 09:18:49 <SmatZ> Rubidium: great, it can be removed :) I had an idea about automatizing this process (removing includes and testing if it compiles, and replacing includes by included files and testing if it compiles), but I haven't done so yet :( 09:19:24 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F61F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:28 <Celestar> dihedral: does it support OpenGL on the guest? 09:19:29 <SmatZ> but I wouldn't wonder if there were already software doing that... 09:19:53 <dihedral> i dont see why it would not 09:20:07 <dihedral> however, esx i does not allow you to access the virtual machine from the host itself 09:20:13 <dihedral> you would need esx for that 09:20:18 <dihedral> and that aint cheep 09:20:34 <Rubidium> SmatZ: had that idea too, never made it either ;) 09:20:58 <SmatZ> :o) 09:21:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15192 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Cleanup: remove unused include 09:21:26 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:22:09 <Rubidium> Celestar: depends on what you want to do with it 09:22:11 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:22:29 <petern> virtualbox does 09:22:42 <petern> well, apparently it does 09:22:54 <Celestar> Rubidium: I have a 64-bit linux host and want to run a 32 or 64 bit XP on it, using some OpenGL applications on it 09:23:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15193 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Feature: content server/bananas access via the console 09:23:13 * dihedral hugs Rubidium 09:23:14 <SmatZ> :-) 09:23:15 <petern> dihedral! 09:23:31 <petern> #:1(Pink) Company Name: 'Bennythen00b Transport' Year Founded: 1920 Money: 100000 Loan: 100000 Value: 1 (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected 09:23:35 <petern> heh 09:23:36 <petern> i guess i can restart that :p 09:23:48 <dihedral> you are a star sir 09:23:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BDD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:05 <planetmaker> good morning all 09:24:12 <dihedral> hehe 09:24:13 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker 09:24:45 <dihedral> hello planetmaker 09:24:45 <dihedral> petern: do you use ap+? 09:25:24 <planetmaker> :) woah... the feature spree continues :) 09:26:06 <dihedral> src/table/tree_land.h:8: warning: '_tree_sprites_1' defined but not used 09:26:07 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:07 <dihedral> src/table/tree_land.h:23: warning: '_tree_layout_xy' defined but not used 09:26:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:28:42 <dihedral> http://paste.openttd.org/179084 09:30:09 <Celestar> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070607-114711.jpg 09:30:11 <Celestar> :P 09:35:44 <Forked> hah 09:35:58 <Rubidium> Celestar: what's wrong with that image/the text on that image? 09:36:06 <Forked> http://www.kottke.org/09/01/the-countrys-new-robotstxt-file .. 09:36:18 <Celestar> Rubidium: nothing :P 09:36:23 <Rubidium> saying to behead something isn't violent (actually doing it might be ofcourse) 09:38:25 <SmatZ> :-P 09:38:47 <petern> dihedral: no 09:39:35 <Rubidium> oh... .mm files... you have to speak with the dev in charge of those 09:47:34 <petern> snigger 09:49:26 <dihedral> petern: it has some nice features ;-) 09:49:26 <dihedral> lets you manage your server from irc :-P 09:50:08 <petern> just what i always wanted 09:50:52 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-141.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:52:16 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-141.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:59 <petern> so do AIs work in multiplayer now? 09:55:48 <planetmaker> they did back when there was a NoAI branch... 09:56:02 <planetmaker> I guess (and hope) it didn't change. 09:59:11 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:32 <petern> hmm 10:03:38 <petern> companies 10:03:38 <petern> #:1(Pink) Company Name: 'AdmiralAI' Year Founded: 1920 Money: 100000 Loan: 100000 Value: 1 (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected 10:03:41 <petern> #:2(Green) Company Name: 'AdmiralAI #1' Year Founded: 1920 Money: 100000 Loan: 100000 Value: 1 (T:0, R:0, P:0, S:0) unprotected 10:03:52 <petern> so i guess a player can join them, like normal 10:05:54 <Gekz> that would be crazy 10:06:45 <dihedral> petern: yes they do 10:07:00 <dihedral> and no, ai companies cannot be joined 10:07:06 <dihedral> afaik 10:07:17 <petern> "unprotected" 10:07:25 <Noldo> try it! 10:07:48 <petern> Clients:0 / 255 (2 / 15 companies; 1 / 10 spectators) 10:07:49 <petern> :o 10:07:57 <petern> how can there be 1 spectator with 0 clients? :o 10:08:12 <petern> or does the server count as a spectator now? 10:08:24 <petern> clients 10:08:24 <petern> Client #1 name: '' company: 255 IP: 0.0.0.0 10:08:30 <dihedral> yep 10:08:36 <petern> ah 10:08:40 <petern> did you report that bug? 10:08:58 <dihedral> and 'unprotected' only displays the state of the company being passworded 10:09:10 <dihedral> should perhaps take ci->is_ai into account 10:18:12 <petern> heh 10:18:26 <petern> "A protocol-error was made and the connection was closed" 10:18:30 <petern> that is not very clean... 10:19:28 <petern> hehe, poor AI 10:20:12 <petern> stock piling really upsets admiralai... 10:21:06 <petern> ai 1 blew all its money on building a road 10:21:40 <petern> ai blew loads of money too but managed to get some vehicles too 10:29:37 <Timitry> Hm, to get back to my SVN-Problem... I can't checkout the contents of the folder trunk/src/3rdparty/, and it appears to be empty... Where can i get those files manually? 10:29:40 <Timitry> Or how? ;) 10:34:35 <Timitry> Ah, now it has been added, it seems... 10:34:47 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:08 <petern> added? 10:35:34 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 10:35:35 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:01 <Timitry> dunno... but i succeeded in checking out the squirrel folder manually, and added it to the rest 10:36:19 <Timitry> Now it seems to work 10:36:31 <Timitry> Compiling now 10:41:55 <Timitry> No errors... However, two problems... First the option for freeform map edges is greyed out, so i can't choose no water at borders or whatsoever 10:43:18 <petern> you need to enable it in advanced settings 10:43:53 <Timitry> And, if go on "check online content", it gives me an error and the game crashes... Probably because the connection is blocked due to me being at my workplace... 10:44:05 <petern> "an error" 10:44:07 <Timitry> But i think it should just give an error and not crash the game then :) 10:44:10 <Timitry> yeah... ;) 10:46:06 <Timitry> I could make a detailed crashlog, if you tell me how to :) 10:46:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15194 /trunk/src/network/network.cpp: -Fix: Don't count dedicated server as a spectator 10:46:55 <Timitry> Just found it, which debug level? 10:46:58 <Timitry> 1? 10:47:35 <Rubidium> as stacktrace would be more useful 10:48:48 <Timitry> Whatever that is :) Is there a kind of tutorial on how to debug? ;) 10:49:05 <Timitry> Or could you explain it to me, or tell me which program i need? 10:49:39 <Rubidium> depends on the compiler 10:49:52 <Timitry> As compiler i use MinGW+mSys 10:49:55 <Timitry> On WinXP 10:50:25 <Rubidium> http://balsa.gnome.org/bugs.html 10:50:50 <Rubidium> bt in gdb gives you the stack trace 10:51:15 <Rubidium> preferably compile first with --enable-debug=3 (so we can make the most sense out of the stacktrace) 10:55:02 <Timitry> Hm, i'm sorry to say that i need a little more step-to-step tutorial... If you think your time is spend better doing other things and it's not so important, please just tell me... 10:55:05 <Timitry> Otherwise: 10:55:29 <Timitry> How do i compile with --enable-debug=3 ? Normally i do ./configure and then "make" 10:57:04 <Timitry> and he won't accept "make --debug-level=3 10:59:23 <Rubidium> ./configure --enable-debug=3 10:59:29 <Rubidium> make run-gdb 10:59:39 <Rubidium> <wait till OpenTTD starts> 10:59:46 <Rubidium> reproduce the crash 10:59:54 <Rubidium> go back to console where you typed make run-gdb 11:00:15 <Rubidium> type 'bt full' in there and then press the enter/return button on your keyboard 11:00:28 <Rubidium> then copy-paste the output of the bt full to paste.openttd.org 11:00:37 <Rubidium> and then post the link to said pastage here 11:01:33 <Timitry> Okay, i'm trying that :) 11:06:58 <Timitry> http://paste.openttd.org/179085 ---> That's not the crash yet, it gave me that warning while compiling, and it did not know the command "make run-gdb" - although it started compiling. As so, it did not start openttd 11:07:31 <Rubidium> install gdb as it's missing 11:08:42 <Timitry> ah, okay :) 11:15:24 <Timitry> Hm, another stupid question... How do i integrate gdb into mSYS? I downloaded it, but then... 11:16:11 <Rubidium> no idea, but doesn't the msys/mingw installer integrate gdb whenever you select it to be installed? 11:16:16 <Rubidium> or is that cygwin? 11:19:17 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 11:19:25 <Timitry> Hm, i think it does, and i did install of the libraries... But not completely sure if gdb is included, i'll look it up 11:22:30 <Timitry> no, it is optional... 11:37:31 <Timitry> I don't know how to include it into MinGW or mSYS :-/ 11:37:40 <Timitry> Tried to find that on google... 11:45:57 <Timitry> yey, got it 11:48:21 <Timitry> Hm, but it seems like i killed my MinGW-Installation while trying, so configure does not even work anymore :-/ 11:49:20 <Timitry> no, wait... ;) 11:51:30 <Timitry> So, after compiling with make run-gdb, after linking openttd.exe it shows me the terms of gdb (free software etc.) and then "this gdb was configured..." and then in the current line just "(gdb)"... I could type something now, but openttd does not start 11:52:06 <Rubidium> what does it say when you type run? 11:52:17 <Timitry> okay :) 11:53:01 <petern> now make it crash :D 11:53:01 <Timitry> So, reproducing the crash, openttd freezed but did not crash... Should i type "bt full" now or wait? 11:53:11 *** zilfondel [~chatzilla@h-67-100-125-124.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 11:53:32 <petern> it's waiting for your input in gdb 11:54:18 <Timitry> Good, it gave me a lot of output in the console, i'll copy and paste this to the pastebin then 11:55:26 <Timitry> so, finally, http://paste.openttd.org/179086 11:55:50 <Timitry> I hope that is at least useful at all... 11:59:13 <Rubidium> Timitry: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/tmp.diff solve it? 11:59:27 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:59:51 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 12:01:33 <Timitry> i'll try... 12:02:06 <petern> iterator fun :o 12:02:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 12:05:13 <Timitry> Well, now i get a bunch of compiling errors... 12:05:49 <Timitry> http://paste.openttd.org/179087 12:06:21 <Rubidium> yeah... should compile before uploading I reckon ;) 12:06:35 <Timitry> :D 12:07:47 <Rubidium> the updated patch might compile 12:07:53 <Rubidium> (or rather should ;)) 12:10:22 <Timitry> same file? 12:10:45 <Rubidium> yup 12:13:04 <Timitry> Yes, it works, now it gives me a "Could not connect to the content server" warning 12:13:12 <Timitry> and goes back to the main menu 12:13:45 <Timitry> :) 12:15:19 <dihedral> nice :-) 12:16:25 *** angelo_afk is now known as angelo 12:17:09 <Timitry> Good, if you do not need me any more, i'm gonna grab a döner now :) 12:17:17 * Timitry is huuuuungry 12:17:24 <petern> doner 12:17:29 <petern> kebab 12:17:30 <petern> mmm 12:18:15 <Timitry> see you later 12:19:45 <dihedral> yufka :-P 12:20:24 <petern> hmm, 1920x1200 LCDs are getting cheap now... 12:20:38 <petern> 24" £188 :o 12:22:23 <Combuster> hi devs 12:22:38 <Combuster> do you have any doc on adding a patch setting? 12:23:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15195 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix: don't crash when removing from something you're iterating over 12:23:27 <Rubidium> isn't there a wiki page called fairly much like that? 12:24:51 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28F981.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:24:58 <Combuster> ow 12:24:58 <Combuster> was looking at docs.openttd.org, of course I wouldn't find it there -_- 12:25:07 <dihedral> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2562 :-) 12:25:58 <Priski> well thats a good patch, I guess 12:26:24 <dihedral> i'd rather consider it 'useful' 12:26:34 <dihedral> good is something else imo 12:27:22 <Rubidium> Combuster: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/OpenTTDDevBlackBook/Patches/AddPatchOption <- might be relatively outdated 12:28:16 <dihedral> Combuster: you're better off, looking at the code and following those examples 12:35:51 <slalom77> hello guys, few weeks ago i saw an unkwon version a function, that seemed to be made for copying and pasting parts of the rail-nets. is that possible with any version/.gfr ? 12:36:41 <slalom77> ...in an unknown... 12:37:43 <dihedral> it's called copy & paste 12:37:48 <dihedral> you find it in the forums 12:38:01 <dihedral> it works against the revision the patch was created for 12:38:14 <dihedral> if you do some work on it, you can update it to the current latest revision 12:40:37 <slalom77> thanks...could u explain this a little ? --> "against the revision the patch was created for" 12:41:05 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:41:11 <De_Ghosty> it mean 12:41:13 <De_Ghosty> gg no re 12:41:42 <slalom77> so you said, its not running on the current r15225 ? 12:41:53 <De_Ghosty> no 12:43:17 <dihedral> and r15225 is the revision 12:43:34 <dihedral> so if you see something like that in the patch name, or in the patch file itself, then you know what rev to use 12:43:47 <dihedral> when wanting to apply the patch to the source and compile the patched game 12:44:06 <dihedral> some people upload binaries with patches applied to them to the forums 12:44:24 <roboboy> im playing r15177 and in my list of vehicles to be replaced in the autoreplace menu, I have the mps and hereford leopard bus listed for replace yet I do not own any 12:44:50 <roboboy> where the number of vehicles to be replaced usually is is a price 12:45:10 <slalom77> thanks, but compiling and coding is not my world :-( 12:45:56 <slalom77> configuring this game is the maximum im able to 12:46:07 <dihedral> that is why i told you about the binaries 12:46:42 <dihedral> you can find posts where people uploaded the patched & compiled game 12:47:09 <dihedral> just need to find the right thing for your os, if you use windows you have a fairly good chance of finding something useful 12:47:48 <slalom77> aha 12:48:28 <slalom77> i just got r15225 and made it to my playversion 12:48:50 <dihedral> well, then enjoy that ;-) 12:49:05 <slalom77> adding some grfs and i have all i need i think. if i can add copy and paste it would be superbingo 12:50:03 <slalom77> or do i miss something this way ? i played TT1 ten years ago and just found out what happened with my old fav-game, which i supposed to be dead. 12:50:11 <dihedral> copy and paste is a patch, not a grf 12:50:21 <dihedral> you cannot just add it without compiling the game again 12:50:41 <slalom77> understand 12:50:55 <dihedral> + you cannot just add copy & paste to the current revision, as the patch is not being updated afaik 12:51:14 <slalom77> bummer 12:51:23 <dihedral> hence, you either use a binary someone uploaded, patch and compile the revision copy & paste exists for, or stick to what you have 12:51:28 <Rubidium> dihedral: how well have you tested your patch? 12:52:03 <dihedral> Rubidium: i have used 2 clients in a network game, tried renaming id 1, an invalid id, and a client id 12:52:09 <slalom77> and this c&p was able to copy a huge railjunction and paste it to any other part of the map or other map? 12:52:21 <Rubidium> dihedral: tried passing 0 or 1 argument? 12:52:23 <dihedral> Rubidium: is there something else you can think of that i should try? 12:52:27 <dihedral> ah 12:52:29 <dihedral> i'll do that 12:53:20 <dihedral> neat 12:53:24 <dihedral> i'll fix that 12:53:25 <dihedral> sorry for that Rubidium 12:54:20 <Rubidium> then the minor things like new_name which is totally unneeded 12:54:53 <Rubidium> strecpy(dest, source, lastof(source)) which is totally going to break 50% of the time and silently causing buffer overflows the other 50% 12:55:42 <dihedral> really? 12:55:53 <dihedral> i took that from network_server.cpp 12:56:01 <dihedral> when someone conncts 12:56:01 <Rubidium> where? 12:56:06 <Rubidium> which line 12:56:11 <slalom77> in a downloaded older version i found several little .exe files in the datafolder, called like StaueMacDonalds.exe or hqtower5_win.exe - what will they do ? 12:56:38 <Forked> downloaded from where? 12:56:51 <roboboy> im playing r15177 and in my list of vehicles to be replaced in the autoreplace menu, I have the mps and hereford leopard bus listed for replace yet I do not own any 12:56:54 <Rubidium> change some base graphics and them make OpenTTD complain every time you start 12:57:12 <slalom77> german site... 12:57:27 <planetmaker> slalom77: then complain to them. 12:57:44 <planetmaker> openttd has only one exe in its main directory. 12:57:46 <dihedral> sorry, my mistake: strecpy(ci->client_name, name, lastof(ci->client_name)); 12:57:53 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:58:04 <roboboy> one will turn the statue into a macdonalds and the other will change the hq to do something 12:58:05 <slalom77> i just asked for what those exe are useful 12:58:20 <Forked> giving you a virus probably 12:58:34 <slalom77> zeus-stadium.exe makes a colosseum out of the soccerstadion ? 12:58:44 <slalom77> i didnt clickj them...ty 12:58:54 <roboboy> I have used the macdonalds one before 12:59:10 <roboboy> they will change your base grfs 12:59:13 <slalom77> and ronald mc donald came ? 12:59:21 <roboboy> no 12:59:36 <Rubidium> roboboy: make a bugreport with they savegame where it happens; simple reproduction fails 12:59:45 <roboboy> ok 13:01:15 <slalom77> and those exe have to be executed out of the datafolder or root ? 13:01:32 <roboboy> I would think data 13:01:53 <roboboy> backup your base grfs first before you run them 13:02:21 <slalom77> yes... i regularly copy the complete folder 13:03:43 <slalom77> you guys are having online competitions ? are tehre many active online players ? 13:06:18 <slalom77> i will not ask for help to play online ;-) - just inetrested 13:06:53 <glx> slalom77: it's better to use grdtogrf on these exe 13:07:23 <slalom77> or just use the tons of offered grfs ? 13:07:46 <roboboy> but be warned that will generate invalid grfs to a certain extent 13:07:58 <glx> not if you follow the docs 13:08:15 <glx> like provide a grfid 13:08:23 <roboboy> yeah 13:08:24 <slalom77> i already found out the game is fragile 13:09:00 <slalom77> once all my grfs were switched to DOS and when i changed it it changed back 13:09:10 <roboboy> hm flyspray seems to be being sloow 13:09:32 <slalom77> flyspray ? are you in australia ? 13:09:42 *** PhoenixII [ralph@g188009.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:09:44 <roboboy> yes 13:10:03 <roboboy> what has flyspray got to do with Australia? 13:10:12 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:18 <slalom77> luckily the last fly i saw died 3 month ago...we have snowy winter 13:10:20 <Rubidium> roboboy: looks like the connection's quite instable 13:10:25 <glx> indeed :) 13:10:28 <roboboy> ok 13:10:44 <glx> DorpsGek is on the same server as flyspray 13:11:01 <roboboy> shall I resubmit the task? 13:11:10 *** PhoenixII [ralph@g188009.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:21 <Timitry> dihedral: What does the patch do you uploaded? I can't access bugs.openttd.org :-/ 13:11:23 <dihedral> anybody having trouble accessing bugs.? 13:11:28 <Timitry> :D 13:11:30 <dihedral> ah 13:11:41 <dihedral> i can access none of the openttd servers! 13:11:45 <dihedral> ... 13:11:53 <Timitry> yes, me neither 13:12:00 <glx> dihedral: yeah DorpsGek timed out ;) 13:12:26 <dihedral> Timitry: it gives server admins the possibility of renaming connected clients 13:12:33 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:36 <roboboy> hopes its not me as it was slow to load flyspray 13:12:47 <roboboy> initially 13:14:27 <dihedral> Rubidium: http://openttd.pastebin.com/d25933f1f 13:14:42 <dihedral> is that better? 13:16:13 <dihedral> @seen Dorpsgek :-P 13:18:17 <roboboy> grr 13:18:24 <dihedral> happens 13:19:29 <roboboy> and I was just reporting a bug 13:19:46 <dihedral> i was just uploading the modified patch 13:19:55 <dihedral> just happens 13:19:59 <dihedral> smile and nod 13:20:03 <dihedral> :-) 13:20:04 <roboboy> could it be too many people using the new content service? 13:20:07 <roboboy> hehe 13:20:12 <dihedral> doubt it 13:20:14 <Rubidium> roboboy: unlikely 13:20:24 <Rubidium> it's single threaded and the server has 4 cores 13:20:34 <roboboy> ok 13:20:35 <Rubidium> so there should be at least 3 cores spare to handle pings/ssh connections 13:20:38 <dihedral> + its not http 13:20:41 <slalom77> how many active players play this game ? 13:20:44 <dihedral> so it would only crash it's own service 13:21:02 <slalom77> 100 ? 1000 ? 10000 ? 13:21:12 <dihedral> multiplayer is counted i think 13:21:26 <Rubidium> if multiplayer's the count then maybe 200 13:21:28 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:21:57 <slalom77> and 100s of offline players probably 13:22:16 <roboboy> I wonder if I count as active 13:22:21 <roboboy> I play on and off 13:22:31 <Rubidium> counting the downloads it's many many more 13:22:55 <dihedral> hehe 13:23:13 <dihedral> or just a few players with many many computers :-D 13:23:17 <Rubidium> IIRC there're about 100 000 0.6.3 downloads 13:23:31 <dihedral> + all the nightlies 13:23:43 <slalom77> 10 years i never heard that TT 1 did continue..and i surf a lot 13:23:45 <Rubidium> nightlies is a few hundred a day 13:24:03 <dihedral> partially caused by openttdcoop and my server 13:24:13 <dihedral> :-) 13:24:19 <glx> sometimes I download nightlies many times :) 13:24:47 <dihedral> and then you shoud add all those who always compile their own binaries 13:24:53 <roboboy> I found openttd and TTDP a few yars ago and actually found ttdp easier to setup at the time 13:24:56 <dihedral> those who play INs 13:25:23 <dihedral> and those who download from other sites (e.g. sulai.ammler.ch) 13:26:05 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:26:10 <slalom77> in = integrated...that means full versions with grfs setup by anyone? 13:26:18 <glx> no 13:26:34 <Combuster> yay, my patch works :) 13:26:36 <slalom77> i downlaod CHrisIn 13:26:41 <slalom77> downlaoded 13:26:51 <glx> ChrisIN is old 13:27:00 <roboboy> integrated nightly = IN 13:27:16 <slalom77> and what the alternativ to IN ? 13:27:25 <Combuster> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=41420 <- comments welcome 13:27:36 <roboboy> N 13:28:06 <dihedral> slalom77: stable, and nightly 13:28:11 <dihedral> or patch yourself 13:28:22 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 13:28:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:28:29 <roboboy> hm I should try ppatching my self tomorrow 13:28:29 <glx> wb DorpsGek 13:28:42 * Combuster pets the bot 13:28:43 <roboboy> whats a patch someone can recomend I try? 13:28:57 <Combuster> cargodest? infrastructure sharing? 13:29:19 <roboboy> I shall try inf sharing 13:29:23 <Timitry> He could download a cargodest binary :) 13:29:27 <slalom77> The TT versions are the biggest chaos i ever saw with a game 13:29:32 <petern> givethedevsbeer-r15195.diff 13:29:49 <dihedral> welcome back DorpsGek 13:30:07 <Timitry> slalom77: Nah, not really, it just takes some time to understand how the system works :) 13:30:16 <roboboy> ive compiled cargodest myself 13:30:26 <petern> http://i43.tinypic.com/13yl4qh.png 13:30:54 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 13:30:56 <dihedral> bugs. is still not up 13:30:59 <roboboy> flyspray seems to still not be working 13:31:09 <dihedral> :-P 13:31:14 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:31:24 <roboboy> ok 13:31:33 <roboboy> yet openttd.org is 13:32:38 <dihedral> none of the subdomains are working 13:32:50 <Rubidium> network's down again :( 13:33:15 <roboboy> yep 13:33:27 <dihedral> hihi 13:33:34 * dihedral waves good bye to DorpsGek 13:33:46 <roboboy> yep 13:34:51 <petern> hg. works 13:35:03 <petern> svn. 13:35:20 <petern> but not bugs. 13:35:27 <petern> all same ip address 13:35:47 <dihedral> content. and bananas. does not either 13:35:52 <dihedral> however www.openttd.org/en/bananas does 13:36:43 <roboboy> wiki. doesnt seemm to work either 13:36:53 <petern> up 9 min, 13:36:54 <petern> heh 13:36:56 <petern> that's not netowkr 13:36:59 <petern> *network 13:37:07 <dihedral> nope 13:37:15 <dihedral> unless you use service ip addresses 13:37:25 <dihedral> and the isp has a routing issue 13:37:26 <petern> dihedral, it's vserver'd 13:37:44 <petern> so maybe some vservers haven't come up properly 13:37:50 <dihedral> yes, but you vserved every subdomain? 13:37:59 <Rubidium> petern: it was power cycled 13:38:05 <dihedral> nice 13:38:25 <Rubidium> nothing reacted and the servers that are close to it still worked 13:38:42 <Rubidium> but it in the end it was a network issue somewhere 13:38:58 <petern> well 13:39:10 <petern> something needs fixing :p 13:39:30 <petern> unless we have multiple servers, which i don't think we do 13:39:38 <petern> although i wouldn't know 13:39:49 <dihedral> it would not be bad if :-P 13:39:54 <Rubidium> somehow the cgi stuff didn't come up 13:39:59 <Rubidium> no idea how to fix that though 13:40:09 * dihedral calles out to TB :-P 13:40:13 <Rubidium> but a unstable connection doesn't help 13:40:16 <petern> yeah 13:40:22 <dihedral> but he's not connected either 13:40:33 <petern> connection gone again, heh 13:40:52 <dihedral> outch 13:41:14 <petern> packet loss of some sort 13:42:03 <dihedral> duh 13:42:15 <petern> nice 'n vague ;) 13:42:25 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:42:38 <roboboy> hm dad wants me to f=go to bed but I may stay up a lil longer 13:43:12 <dihedral> roboboy: cute! 13:43:32 <roboboy> didnt mean the f= 13:43:48 <petern> dihedral, children ;) 13:43:49 <dihedral> and it's up again, at least the normal webpage is :P 13:43:56 <dihedral> petern: i have none :-D 13:44:21 <petern> i wonder what i'd say if my dad phoned up and told me to go to bed... 13:44:50 <dihedral> i'd not say anything 13:44:51 <dihedral> i'd put down the phone 13:46:21 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 13:47:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228071051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:48:14 <roboboy> im glad bugs. does not have a bug 13:49:26 <Rubidium> argh... 13:49:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 13:49:54 <Rubidium> lighty 1.4 doesn't do the frontpage, lighty 1.5 doesn't do bugs/wiki 13:50:20 <Rubidium> and the network connection's still sucky 13:52:17 <Rubidium> everything should be up again ;) 13:53:12 <Rubidium> (except for the sucky network connection) 13:53:57 <roboboy> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2563 13:54:08 <roboboy> my task submitted 13:54:28 <Yexo> there is no attached savegame 13:54:41 <roboboy> hm 13:55:20 <dihedral> Rubidium: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2562 <- how's that? 13:55:42 <dihedral> roboboy: screenshot + savegame? 13:55:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v Yexo] by DorpsGek 13:55:55 <dihedral> and then it's time for you to go to bed :-D 13:56:46 <roboboy> savegame aded 13:56:54 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:05 <roboboy> I clicked replace vehicles from the rv menue 13:57:37 <roboboy> if screenie is still needed, I shall upload probably tomorrow 14:01:02 <Yexo> roboboy: I don't see the mps and hereford leopard bus listed here 14:02:11 <petern> damn, disconnecting train 14:03:58 <roboboy> so you clicked the rv button on the main toolbar and then went to the autoreplace option? 14:04:07 * roboboy brushes his teeth 14:04:17 *** dih [8d48c5f3@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:05:37 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish] 14:05:37 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 14:05:37 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ...und tschÃŒÃ!] 14:05:37 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:05:37 *** Ammler [~Ammler@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: gone...] 14:05:37 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:05:37 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:06:01 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:01 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:06:53 <dih> sorry SmatZ :-P 14:08:25 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:36 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:09:09 <petern> hah 14:10:07 <dih> we also had server issues 14:10:30 <roboboy> I am adding a screenie and then going to sleep verry soon 14:11:03 <roboboy> but flyspeat is down again 14:11:04 <petern> oh 14:11:17 <Rubidium> no... the network's down 14:11:23 <roboboy> ok 14:11:42 <roboboy> so gnight 14:11:44 *** Ammler [~Ammler@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:12:02 *** Ammler is now known as Guest1543 14:12:04 <dih> \o/ 14:12:04 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:12:05 * dih waits for his nick to pop up 14:12:25 <roboboy> and my screenie will be up when I wakeup 14:12:44 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:12:49 <dih> hehe 14:12:59 <dih> and SmatZ will be renamed to Guest1544? 14:13:02 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:13:15 <petern> disconnecting train! 14:13:30 <dih> uh!! 14:13:39 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:13:42 *** PhoenixII [ralph@g188116.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:50 <dih> \o/ 14:13:54 <dih> welcome back dihedral 14:14:03 *** dih [8d48c5f3@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:14:10 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:39 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:14:43 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 14:14:44 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:15:02 *** planetmaker is now known as Guest1544 14:15:04 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:33 *** Guest1544 is now known as planetmaker 14:21:40 <energetic> website is down? 14:22:04 <petern> network problems 14:22:10 *** PhoenixII [ralph@g188116.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:22:48 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 14:23:03 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:25:56 <petern> hmm, awkward 14:27:22 <SpComb> a good chance to test the non-blocking DNS lookups and connects :) 14:28:45 <petern> :D 14:29:15 <petern> no info showns 14:29:29 <SpComb> all the servers will also be trying to advertise all the time 14:30:05 <petern> yeah 14:30:32 <Yexo> even worse then no content shown: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&p=758959#p758959 14:30:49 *** rtypo2 [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 14:30:49 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:00 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:13 <petern> yeah 14:31:14 *** M4rk is now known as Mark__ 14:31:28 <petern> worse that people complain about bugs that have been fixed... 14:32:32 <SpComb> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=758959#p758959 14:32:37 <petern> oh damn 14:32:41 <SpComb> ah, ye olde 14:32:43 <Yexo> fixed in 15195? 14:32:56 <Rubidium> yup 14:33:16 <petern> the answer to his question is "yes" 14:33:17 <Rubidium> maybe the timeout for not being able to connect is a bit long though 14:33:41 <SpComb> is there a cancel button for the connect? 14:33:55 * petern ponders 14:34:05 <Rubidium> there's no window saying connecting 14:34:19 <Rubidium> only an error after like two minutes of waiting 14:34:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.149] has joined #openttd 14:36:40 <petern> yeah 14:37:23 <Rubidium> OpenTTD 14:37:31 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:10 * petern wonders how to handle overrides... 14:41:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet696.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:44:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81AEB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:45:13 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 14:45:59 <Rubidium> http://noc.leaseweb.com/status.php?i=279 14:46:26 <Rubidium> oh bugger... that's the issue we had last week :( 14:46:45 <petern> heh 14:46:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet696.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:42 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet696.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:50:22 <el_en> someone has played TTD: http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/leserreporter/2009/01/20/tag-in-1414-fotos/ice.html 14:50:46 <petern> hmm? 14:52:37 <el_en> cutting the other engine from an AsiaStar allows things. 14:54:05 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4DF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:05 <el_en> anyway, let me repeat a question from last night: [02:28] <el_en> unrelated question: why is it ok to say "an history"? 14:57:23 *** Mark__ is now known as Mark_ 14:57:58 <el_en> because in Voyager, the EMH both says so, and it is subtitled that way. 15:03:11 <petern> it's not 15:03:44 <petern> americans have a habit of pretending to be french and dropping the h... 15:03:53 <petern> like in herb... 15:04:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C7C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:04:23 <el_en> so it's not ok, but americans do it anyway? 15:04:50 <petern> "an historic" is a common case of getting it wrong 15:08:12 <el_en> so both the EMH firmware and the english subtitler's firmware need fixing. 15:09:40 <petern> http://www.betterwritingskills.com/tip-w005.html 15:10:08 <petern> i wonder if 'lolcat' was ever popular enough to become correct... 15:13:06 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:17:39 <el_en> in 'ertford, 'ereford and 'ampshire, 'urricanes 'ardly ever 'appen 15:28:18 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:00 *** snorre_ [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 15:32:36 *** Belugas_Gone [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:32:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 15:32:50 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:46 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: snappy, izhirahi1er, @Belugas 15:35:40 *** Netsplit over, joins: snappy 15:38:32 <Belugas_Gone> hhm... not gone... just not there :S 15:38:44 <Belugas_Gone> and not really myself either ^_^ 15:39:32 *** izhirahi1er [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:44 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 15:41:38 *** snorre_ [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:06 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:00:25 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1E402.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:20 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-201-30-194.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:01:55 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:02:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:02:36 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:39 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcbb6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:47 *** ashaw [~alexis.sh@58.108.161.163] has joined #openttd 16:26:02 <ashaw> What sort of changes would be needed to have signals on intersections 16:26:24 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:38 <Yexo> a map array rewrite 16:26:47 <el_en> i.e. not going to happen 16:27:01 <Rubidium> probably rewriting large portions of the pathfinders 16:27:07 <Rubidium> rewriting parts of pbs 16:27:14 <Rubidium> rewriting the signal update code 16:27:21 <Rubidium> rewriting the train movement code 16:27:39 <Rubidium> guess that's about it 16:27:52 <ashaw> why is this restriction so deeply emebded in the code 16:28:03 <el_en> because it was that way in the original game. 16:28:10 <SpComb> and there's a lot of the code 16:28:35 <SpComb> and openttd.org is still down 16:28:41 <Rubidium> ashaw: why doesn't cmd.exe have a graphical interface for sending email? 16:28:43 * SpComb kills svn 16:28:54 <ashaw> buy it does 16:28:56 <Rubidium> simply because it wasn't designed for that 16:29:10 <el_en> for reasons that i don't understand, ludde wanted to replicate TTD's behavior very closely even on a very low level, not implement things better than originally. 16:29:17 <ashaw> you can get a gui mail client for cmd.com 16:30:00 <SpComb> 193867 lines of .cpp and .h in trunk 16:30:22 <ashaw> yes it is a moderately large amount of code. 16:30:27 <Rubidium> ashaw: cmd.com doesn't provide the mail client, it's something else it starts 16:30:40 <el_en> btw, does anyone know a script or something that counts and reports the number of lines per function? 16:31:19 <ashaw> yes, I do get the idea, though I think you coult write a .bat file that does it if you were so inclined 16:31:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:04 <ashaw> what is happening with the map array rewrite 16:32:06 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 16:32:12 <ashaw> by the way 16:32:26 <Yexo> as el_en said, not going to happen (at least not soon) 16:33:17 <Rubidium> ashaw: you should try transport empire; that doesn't have restrictions on where to place signals yet (IIRC) 16:33:35 <ashaw> transport empire? 16:33:54 <SpComb> Rubidium: hehe, probably because it doesn't even have signals yet :) 16:33:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:34:26 <ashaw> yes I get that, I was justn the site 16:35:23 <ashaw> sorry that is just one of the annoying things I find about the game 16:35:57 <petern> simutrans 16:36:04 <petern> that has signals on tile edges 16:36:47 *** izhirahi1er [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:58 *** izhirahider [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 16:37:29 <ashaw> cool so a no go. 16:37:40 <ashaw> I suppose it does not hurt to ask 16:37:59 <petern> why you need signals on 'intersections' anyway? 16:38:33 <SpComb> more compact junctions 16:38:38 <ashaw> trying to compact Signal multiplexor 16:38:39 <Rubidium> because they exist in real life too! 16:38:43 <ashaw> http://osai.ath.cx/multiplexer_versions_osai.png 16:38:46 <SpComb> although what with PBS (or whatever it is that you call it now)... 16:38:46 <petern> they do? :o 16:38:56 <petern> ah 16:39:02 <petern> you want it for horrible ugly crap like that 16:39:04 <petern> no chance :p 16:39:17 <Belugas> nope, not at all 16:39:31 <ashaw> horrably ugly yes, but terrably useful too 16:39:45 <SpComb> what does that do? 16:39:53 <ashaw> it is a multiplexor 16:40:15 <SpComb> which means what? 16:40:38 <Rubidium> that it joins two or more tracks onto a single one 16:40:51 <ashaw> it takes in a signal on two of the lines as presignal trains and a third line controlls the output 16:40:55 <Rubidium> or at least, that's what I assume when people say multiplex 16:41:07 <ashaw> you can use it for that 16:41:11 <petern> that being the meaning of multiplex, yes 16:41:32 <petern> is there a demultiplexor? 16:41:46 <petern> that somehow knows which train to route onto which line... 16:41:59 <ashaw> you could make one 16:42:06 <ashaw> similar concept 16:42:23 <ashaw> we are muching around with boolian logic from presignals 16:42:41 <petern> boolean 16:42:49 <petern> and mucking, i suppose 16:42:51 <ashaw> yes boolean 16:43:01 <ashaw> yes my typing is not too accurate 16:43:23 <ashaw> see http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/2009/01/18/optimization-of-logic-logic-gates-part-ii/ 16:43:32 <ashaw> not by me again 16:44:08 <ashaw> and gates being trivial, combo signals 16:44:10 <petern> no, i don't bother looking at openttdcoop stuff 16:44:54 <ashaw> why? 16:45:03 <petern> hmm, maybe we should make signal updates not cross incompatible track :p 16:45:12 <petern> because it's not how i play the game 16:45:32 <ashaw> I play the game alone 16:45:47 <ashaw> but I find their article useful 16:45:55 <Yexo> speaking of imcompatible track, what is the status of your railtypes branch? 16:46:03 <petern> stale :p 16:46:11 <petern> working on merging bits in 16:46:16 <petern> when i feel inclined 16:47:03 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-201-30-194.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]] 16:47:25 <ashaw> the signal updates bit would not really change the method in the maddness 16:48:00 *** ashaw [~alexis.sh@58.108.161.163] has left #openttd [] 16:48:53 *** ashaw [~alexis.sh@58.108.161.163] has joined #openttd 16:50:37 *** ashaw [~alexis.sh@58.108.161.163] has left #openttd [] 17:03:33 <petern> not really 17:03:47 <petern> so when do we get a back up system for openttd? :p 17:08:29 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4DF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:10:24 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:14:03 *** Arie- [~asdfsadf@82-169-69-154.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:42 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:21:15 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acc29c2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:24:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 17:26:18 *** utilisateur43 [~wanoo@lns-bzn-31-82-252-216-178.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:43 *** utilisateur43 [~wanoo@lns-bzn-31-82-252-216-178.adsl.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 17:28:21 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4DF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:56 *** re06011988 [~wanoo@lns-bzn-31-82-252-216-178.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:12 <petern> hmm, this is not working too well :/ 17:36:45 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:58 *** ashaw [~alexis.sh@58.108.161.163] has joined #openttd 17:39:05 <ashaw> openttd.org still down 17:39:34 *** re06011988 [~wanoo@lns-bzn-31-82-252-216-178.adsl.proxad.net] has left #openttd [] 17:39:41 <Yexo> it won't be solved by reporting that again and again 17:40:07 <ashaw> I reported that 5 hours ago 17:40:20 <ashaw> i did not mean to be repetitave 17:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> see, and look where it has got you. 17:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> let that be a lesson to you. 17:41:15 <ashaw> I will not report things at all, never another bug report 17:41:20 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1DBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:05 <petern> damn it 17:42:16 <petern> my 'front' engine gets smashed into the next carriage :p 17:46:52 <petern> oh dear that doesn't work well 17:48:40 <petern> gah 17:48:58 *** ashaw [~alexis.sh@58.108.161.163] has left #openttd [] 17:49:28 <SmatZ> mmmm @ ashaw 17:51:53 <rortom> hi all :) 17:52:06 <SmatZ> hello rortom 17:52:15 <SpComb> leaseweb noc doesn't have any relevant tickets open, did the server hardware fail? 17:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... should i have used smilies or something? 17:53:53 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/middle.png 17:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> very... interesting... 17:55:11 <Eddi|zuHause> go tell Belugas that you have done a very "unrealistic" feature ;) 17:55:14 <SmatZ> V. I. Lenin died 84 years ago (I am watching archived news from communists era ;) 17:55:50 <jerker> sorry if this has been discussed before or dismissed, but one thing that i missed for the conditional orders for trains is to make them depend on something random. (or a global counter) This way, when sceduling the busses in my cities.... 17:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> german television had an interesting show where they showed news from like 30 years ago, and compared the east german vs. the west german tv broadcast 17:56:49 <jerker> ...i make some smart schedule with a lot shorter order list. 17:56:51 * SmatZ searches the web to find out if Lenin was a massmurderer or not... 17:57:17 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: it was interesting for sure :-) 17:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Stalin was probably worse 17:57:27 <SmatZ> indeed :) 17:57:37 <planetmaker> *shudder* 17:58:02 <planetmaker> I visited his mausoleum 8 years ago. There they still had an unbroken history of praising him... 17:58:27 * jerker afk 17:59:12 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:01:37 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:09:18 <worldemar> petern: will it be useful? 18:10:08 <petern> who knows 18:11:09 <worldemar> i always place two trains in front and back, expecially if it is 1950 year and trains are 300hp 18:11:33 <Belugas> jerker, forget about it, it's totally unrealistic 18:11:54 <worldemar> but there's a thing 18:12:08 <Zuu> worldemar: two trains? didn't you mean to type two engines? :) 18:12:30 <worldemar> sorry for crappy english 18:12:38 <worldemar> two engines in one train 18:13:25 <Eddi|zuHause> so... railtypes... do they support speed limits and axle weight? 18:13:30 <worldemar> engine is weighty, vagons are relatively light, if train is on slope, then speed may depend on engine position... 18:14:05 <petern> it doesn't 18:14:14 <petern> well 18:14:16 <petern> not overall 18:14:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's imho one of the main features 18:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> branch lines with cheaper rails do not allow heavy vehicles to operate 18:15:22 <petern> bah, disconnecting train :/ 18:15:27 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, i wasn't answering you 18:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> *schmoll* 18:15:57 * petern > home 18:16:32 <worldemar> simple view on that situation for me: if engine is on slope then it is harder to move it upwards, if engine is already on flat surface but there are vagons on slope, then it is less hard to move upwards 18:16:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:25 <petern> try applying some physics 18:22:49 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:41 <Zuu> LOL, I was reading this: http://web.mit.edu/sheffi/www/urbanTransportation.html (full text download) and in the begining of each chapter they have a road crossing, the problem is that to me the roads looked like zippers :-D 18:24:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.202.203] has joined #openttd 18:26:53 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 18:30:26 <DJNekkid> i dont know if its concidered a bug or a feature, but if i make a presignal, and i use some kind of autocomplete (ctrl-drag-release, or drag'n'drop the 10 tiles or whatever i want) they turn to normal block signals ... 18:30:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:32 <Zuu> Strange, what signal do you have selected in the signal gui? 18:31:59 <Zuu> Or you might want to take a look in the advanced settings related to signals. 18:32:07 <frosch123> the dragged signals not being presignals is a feature. the first signal being converted was discussed before. but noone bothered creating a fs trask 18:32:37 <DJNekkid> oki... 18:32:51 <DJNekkid> and that is not going to change i guess... 18:33:03 <DJNekkid> the dragged signals are not beeing presignals-part 18:33:06 <Zuu> Hmm, yes you are correct I was reading PBS, not presignal. That is normal then. 18:33:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> DJNekkid: the first signal is a bug, the other signals are a feature 18:33:53 <Eddi|zuHause> if that is what you asked 18:33:57 <DJNekkid> oki... 18:34:25 <DJNekkid> im asking because there are times where i want to drag or autocomplete combosignals 18:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause> then that is a feature request 18:35:25 <DJNekkid> hehe, i guess :) 18:35:47 <DJNekkid> and thats when i noticed that behaviour :) 18:36:02 <DJNekkid> typically when makeing a "prio" if that makes any sense to you:) 18:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "prios" never made sense to me... 18:36:46 <DJNekkid> what it is, or why they are built? 18:36:48 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F48D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it just is against my style of playing 18:37:47 <rortom> petern, back into ottd? :) 18:38:31 <Zuu> rortom: Why pulling him back to reality? :) 18:39:11 <DJNekkid> eddi: mostly mine too, but depots are usually the place where i do use it 18:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't use depots either... 18:42:52 <DJNekkid> where do you get your trains from then? :) 18:42:57 <DJNekkid> depots even 18:43:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:44:47 <Eddi|zuHause> DJNekkid: the sporadic bought train does not need special infrastructure to "join" a "trunk line" 18:45:15 <DJNekkid> hehe ... 18:45:25 <Brianetta> I like to have big depots 18:45:41 <DJNekkid> with 80 or so trains that are on a mainline occationally needs cervicing :) 18:45:42 <Brianetta> basically, they're eyecandy stations with a depot in them somewhere 18:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd like to have standing tracks, where i can park unused wagons 18:46:25 <Brianetta> I have one depot where I buy trains, and occasionally I have extra depots that refit or reconfigure trains without buying or selling 18:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Cottbus%20Transport,%2021.%20Okt%201925.png 18:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause> urgs... someone screwed with the mime types, i think... 18:50:31 <Brianetta> nah, that's fine 18:51:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the small coal trains are somewhat camouflage coloured... 18:57:32 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F1E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 19:09:14 <svip> O: Openttd.org down? 19:09:27 <svip> Or is my Internet being a jerk again? 19:09:48 <Eddi|zuHause> did you mean: Q? 19:10:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, there have been occasional mentions of a reachability issue with the website 19:11:28 <svip> Damn. 19:14:09 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 19:14:10 <DJNekkid> hmm, is knowing ones visa# a sign of too much internet shopping? 19:14:18 <Darkvater> Celestar: ping :) 19:14:24 <petern> rortom: yeah 19:14:28 <petern> mr dv! 19:14:34 <Darkvater> hi guys 19:14:45 <petern> Eddi|zuHause: the main feature of that screenshot is, of course, no "front" engine 19:14:45 <Darkvater> openttd.org down btw? 19:14:52 <petern> of course, newgrf doesn't like it :p 19:15:17 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: Someone should topicify it. 19:15:18 <petern> but we can work around that 19:15:32 <Darkvater> that was a question Prof_Frink :) 19:15:48 *** petern changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | Yes, the network to the server is broken 19:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, as long as the "engine" is invisible, it does not really matter, if it is in front or not ;) 19:16:31 <petern> invisible> 19:16:40 <petern> what do you mean? 19:16:47 <Eddi|zuHause> non-front engines would be cool for shunting 19:16:56 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: the screenshot uses invisible engines 19:17:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> for the wagons 19:17:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:17:42 <petern> ah, your screenshot :D 19:17:53 <petern> sorry, i was talking about mine 19:18:00 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, yes 19:18:01 <petern> i may have gone shopping in the meantime, but still :p 19:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i did notice that ;) 19:18:51 <petern> problem is not all 'shorter' wagons reverse properly, cos some newgrf authors have strange ideas about how the image should be made 19:18:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i occasionally have problems with multiple non-linear conversations ;) 19:19:47 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, anyway, my patch turns removes the isfrontengine flag and just tests for v->previous being null, heh 19:19:54 <petern> so anything could be a train 19:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be cool 19:20:14 <petern> in theory it's not much further from there to allow detaching/attaching outside of depots 19:20:16 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4DF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> shunting would be genious ;) 19:21:35 * Eddi|zuHause imagines a scene in 3 years, when someone comes and suggests shunting, petern replies "heh, i have a patch for that." :p 19:22:20 <petern> lol 19:22:52 <petern> it is rather pointless 19:23:00 <petern> it's definitely a sandbox/toy feature 19:23:10 <petern> like people play with model railways... that's pretty pointless 19:23:45 <petern> of course, it crashes a lot... 19:25:34 <el_en> what's wrong with sandbox features 19:25:39 <petern> nothing 19:25:53 <petern> it has no *point* in the game, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun to play with 19:30:05 *** `Fuco`AFK [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 19:30:15 <jerker> belugas; Back now... Replying on the more advanced orders on vehicles. Well. Yes. What I would like is one big order list for all the busses in the city. Let most of the busses go to the very crowded station and say every forth bus go to the not so crowded station. 19:30:51 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:32:18 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:32:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcbb6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:26 <jerker> It is doable now (A-B-A-B-A-B-A-C) but loop unrolling is a bit boring. 19:32:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:33:56 <jerker> And if it actually is A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D-A-E-F-G-H well. Nice timetables are nice. 19:34:36 <jerker> Buses whent on similar schedules in my home town when I was small: A-B-C-D-E-F-{G|H}-I-J-K for example. 19:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> there used to be a patch for such conditional orders in the forum 19:36:20 <jerker> Realism is good. I hope it may fit in some day. 19:39:51 *** vaduk [vaduk@vpn-pool-78-139-209-9.tomtel.ru] has joined #openttd 19:40:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:41:30 <Wolf01> 'lo 19:42:10 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:42:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:42:36 <vaduk> a po ruski ktonit ponimaet? 19:43:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.172] has joined #openttd 19:43:56 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:43:57 <el_en> tolko angliskii, pozhaluista. 19:44:07 *** Mortal is now known as Guest1605 19:44:07 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 19:44:32 *** Guest1605 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 19:44:46 <vaduk> ^^ 19:44:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.202.203] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81AEB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 19:50:42 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:58 <el_en> лÑÐŽÑ Ð»ÑÐ±Ð»Ñ Ð°ÐœÐ³Ð»ÐžÑкОй О УТЀ-8 зЎеÑ. 19:52:17 <DaleStan> el_en: Try doing the _en bit? (ie: English only, please.) 19:52:28 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:38 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-210.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:57:14 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28F981.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 19:58:46 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:00:05 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1DBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:52 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:10 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:03:31 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85edcb.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcbb6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:40 <Roujin> @logs 20:04:41 *** kaan [~Klaus@1207ds2-arve.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:04:42 <Roujin> !logs 20:04:47 *** kaan [~Klaus@1207ds2-arve.0.fullrate.dk] has left #openttd [] 20:05:12 <Roujin> hm, what was the command again.. 20:05:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that hasn't been working for ages 20:05:48 <frosch123> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd <- bookmarks still work 20:05:52 *** kaan [~Klaus@1207ds2-arve.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:07:03 *** kaan [~Klaus@1207ds2-arve.0.fullrate.dk] has left #openttd [] 20:12:05 *** vaduk [vaduk@vpn-pool-78-139-209-9.tomtel.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:18 <el_en> DaleStan: if it compensates anything, "<el_en> tolko angliskii, pozhaluista." means "english only, please". 20:18:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15196 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix (r15195): != != == :( 20:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> best. commit. message. ever. 20:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, second, maybe. 20:19:28 <DaleStan> Oh. I didn't see that part. Just the line of Cyrillic letters. 20:19:50 <el_en> even that line was encouraging the use of english. :) 20:20:42 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:22:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:23:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r15197 /trunk/src/lang/ (19 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 20:23:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-01-21 20:22:27 20:23:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 21 fixed by arnaullv (21) 20:23:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 25 fixed by knovak (25) 20:23:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 41 fixed by Hadez (41) 20:23:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 20 fixed, 3 changed by habell (23) 20:23:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 31 fixed by UltimateSephiroth (21), jpx_ (10) 20:30:14 <glx> el_en: your russian grammar is bad ;) 20:31:24 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31:44 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:54 <el_en> glx: i noticed the error... should probably have been lyubim. 20:32:00 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8E88.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:35:07 <el_en> Pero ahora estudio el español, no el ruso. 20:37:51 <glx> it's lyubyat IIRC 20:38:13 <glx> lyubim is for we 20:40:03 <rortom> uhm 20:40:10 <el_en> hmm, i think you're right. it's been too long without reading or writing russian. 20:40:12 <rortom> we have also started a translation project :) 20:40:44 <rortom> http://translate.rigsofrods.com/ror/ 20:40:59 <glx> rortom: it's already translated in french ;) 20:41:06 <rortom> :) 20:41:57 <rortom> i have quite some problems to generate the font textures ... 20:42:08 <rortom> because of all the different code ranges 20:43:35 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 20:44:06 <Belugas> jerker, you're not asking for random order. that is conditional order jumping, or something alike. Random would be like... go to station a, then go to station (random-> from a to z, let say.. F, then etc... 20:44:10 <Belugas> adn that is stupid 20:44:27 <petern> hey 20:44:30 <Belugas> it just enforce the laziness in you 20:45:02 <Belugas> and in reality (shit... i'm really saying that... ), a schedule is implemented and respected by the bus driver 20:46:07 <petern> :D 20:46:11 <Belugas> Mister Nelson! 20:46:54 <petern> indeed 20:47:00 <petern> this virtualbox audio lag is killing me 20:48:01 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:49:51 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 20:50:20 <petern> i wonder if a usb audio device would actually work... 20:50:27 <Wolf01> http://lh4.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SXbqEOVZoDI/AAAAAAAA3x0/8lYQsXwwvXk/s1600-h/0_3a67_7295bd4a_XL.jpg yes, ok, we should implement this too... maybe 20:50:50 <Rubidium> Wolf01: that's called an articulated road vehicle ;) 20:51:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r15198 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): -Fix (r15190): Advanced setting was missing the 'on'/'off' part. 20:52:46 <Wolf01> eh, articulated road vehicle is not the right description for that IMO 20:54:10 <petern> it's a vehicle 20:54:11 <petern> on a road 20:54:15 <petern> therefore 20:54:18 <petern> it's a road vehicle ;) 20:55:01 <el_en> first we would need rails on road. 20:55:15 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:55:23 <petern> also known as tram tracks 20:55:49 <el_en> petern: i don't think they are compatible with the other rails? 20:56:10 <el_en> in OTTD, that is. in reality often could be. 20:59:30 <petern> pah, who cares about reality 21:00:22 <rortom> ;) 21:00:40 <el_en> Belugas does. 21:01:09 <Belugas> i do only others do too much :P 21:01:27 <Belugas> otherwise, the hell with it! 21:01:37 <el_en> Exactly. But it's still caring about it. :) 21:01:41 <glx> rortom: still no 0.36 ? 21:02:02 <rortom> we are on the target nearly 21:02:18 <rortom> aimed for 1st of feb 21:02:26 <rortom> major bugs done 21:02:31 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:32 <petern> fixed my right hand wing mirror? :p 21:02:37 <rortom> yes :) 21:02:50 <petern> \o/ 21:02:56 <rortom> we fixed a lot in the last 4 weeks 21:03:27 <rortom> im currently on the linux version 21:03:32 <petern> yeah the not-going-in-a-straight-line problems seems better 21:03:39 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:43 <rortom> :) 21:03:47 <petern> things still slide when they should be stopped though :( 21:04:03 <rortom> mass + velocity = momentum? ;) 21:04:49 <petern> well 21:04:55 <Rubidium> not quite I think 21:04:56 <glx> with parking brake? 21:05:02 <petern> no 21:05:32 <rortom> Rubidium kicks in to correct details as always 21:05:34 <petern> mass * velocity = momentum 21:05:39 <glx> I remember some trucks moving with parking brake engaged 21:05:40 <petern> so if i'm stopped... 21:05:48 <petern> i think that was a different issue :) 21:05:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F48D.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:06:09 <rortom> i hope you can test yourself in two weeks 21:06:10 <glx> yes it's due to nodes and beams "inertia" IIRC 21:06:11 <petern> the wheels turn in that case 21:06:26 <glx> they live by themselves 21:06:44 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Modern_definitions_of_momentum <- looks more complex than simply p = m*v ;) 21:06:45 <rortom> sort of, yes ;) 21:07:07 <petern> hehe 21:07:10 <glx> any changelog ? 21:07:19 <rortom> oh, long changelog :) 21:07:27 <rortom> but not released yet 21:07:47 <el_en> glx: гЎе ÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкОй ОзÑÑал? 21:07:48 <rortom> i hope we can release linux+win at the same time 21:07:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-221-198.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:08:18 <glx> el_en: let me open my dictionary to understand the verb ;) 21:08:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 21:08:31 <el_en> glx: "to study" 21:08:51 <petern> hmm, the hilux doesn't work very well 21:09:11 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:19 <Prof_Frink> petern: But is it indestructible? 21:09:28 <rortom> uhm yeah, slight problem with the construction of it 21:10:07 <glx> el_en: at school 21:10:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:11:13 <petern> Prof_Frink: er, well, it's still running 21:11:22 <petern> the rear axle's popped out of place though :p 21:11:52 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:12:56 <glx> I tried to change tires pressure of 6x6 dakar yesterday, it's not very progressive 21:14:18 <rortom> the wheels2 system is obsolete 21:14:27 <rortom> we have a total new traction system now 21:14:33 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai 21:14:44 <glx> I hope modders will do a better work with zips ;) 21:14:52 <rortom> using same idea as LFS uses 21:15:00 <rortom> yes, i hope so as well 21:15:12 <rortom> we changed the behavior now 21:15:12 <glx> I hate when I don't have the base files 21:15:39 <rortom> when a bad mod appears, the mod is not loaded, no more RoR crashes. That should force the modders to better quality i hope 21:15:40 <glx> and usually I notice it when it crashes :) 21:17:07 <rortom> i am really cared out our servers 21:17:34 <rortom> 0.36 will be ~60 MB plus ~120M content packs 21:17:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcbb6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:45 <Rubidium> that's like quite huge 21:19:05 <rortom> yes :( 21:19:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.218.201] has joined #openttd 21:19:25 <rortom> but if people create awesome looking meshes with 20k+ polys ... 21:20:44 <rortom> http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6213/screenshot89yr8.jpg 21:20:51 <Wolf01> I found myself keeping pressed the TAB key at work :O 21:21:13 <glx> wow impressive 21:21:20 <el_en> sounds like an easy job 21:21:37 <Rubidium> I know americans polish their trucks, but that's a bit too shiny 21:22:07 <Wolf01> only 20k? :O 21:22:17 <glx> this effect is not in 0.35 :) 21:22:32 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: But do the poles american their trucks? 21:22:40 <glx> I wonder how is the FPS for that 21:23:20 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 21:23:37 <Darkvater> Rubidium: how familiar are you with the nightlies/freetype? 21:23:57 <Darkvater> I think either something is wrong or those freetype libraries have anti-alias-hinting disabled 21:24:04 <Darkvater> windows fonts look like crap :S 21:24:18 <Rubidium> could be 21:24:33 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@54.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 21:24:36 <Terkhen> good evening 21:24:48 <Rubidium> if it's disabled by default then I haven't enabled it 21:25:07 <rortom> http://modclub.rigsofrods.com/thomas/.314534/036.jpeg 21:25:08 <Darkvater> Rubidium: you should (at least) enable the patent-free hinting engine 21:25:14 <petern> windows fonts never look as good with freetype... 21:25:31 <Darkvater> - change ftoption.h undef TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER when applicable 21:25:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.204.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:53 <Darkvater> I use this one, but the patent-free should be around there somewhere 21:26:41 <Darkvater> petern: I disagree :). I had the Tahoma TRGR1.grf change some time ago but since we have freetype I used the windows fonts and it looks just the same. Pretty that is :) 21:26:47 <petern> software patents at their best 21:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> software is not patent-able in the majority of the world 21:27:11 <glx> except the US 21:27:26 <rortom> they are strange anyways ;) 21:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 21:27:42 * Rubidium wonders if he still has msvc 2005 somewhere in a vm installed 21:27:50 <Eddi|zuHause> they are clearly a minority, even if they don't act that way 21:27:57 <Darkvater> Rubidium: want my libraries? ;) 21:28:02 <glx> Rubidium: I have 2005 express here 21:28:48 <Darkvater> 2.3.7 though; don't have a lib for 2.3.8 21:28:58 <glx> and ottd essentials sources 21:29:09 <glx> 2.3.7 too 21:29:21 <Rubidium> Darkvater: is the ftoption.h.replacement in http://binaries.openttd.org/extra/openttd-useful/2.0/openttd-useful-2.0-source.zip correct? 21:29:36 <Rubidium> essentials uses 2.3.7 21:30:09 * glx gets 2.3.8 :) 21:30:48 <Darkvater> Rubidium: eh... lemme check the sources... 21:31:05 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet696.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:27 <Wolf01> gah, how I hate wagons like "80 crates of goods (refittable)", which are refittable to goods only :| 21:31:55 <Darkvater> Rubidium: hmm that looks undeffed 21:32:06 <Darkvater> I wonder why it's wrong then 21:32:20 <Darkvater> great.. uni website is down 21:32:36 <Rubidium> anyhow, those are the exact sources and the manual on how to compile the libraries that we use for the nightlies 21:32:58 <Darkvater> the fonts are not good though 21:34:04 <Darkvater> whaaa I deinstalled word :s 21:34:31 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 21:34:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:47 <glx> nice I need makepp for freetype now 21:35:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:37:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 21:38:32 <Darkvater> http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=openttd1vs2hv4.jpg 21:38:37 <petern> "Announcing the pay freeze for senior officials, Mr Obama said: 'Please don't kill me'" 21:39:18 <petern> left = good, right = arse 21:39:25 <Darkvater> exactly :) 21:40:26 <glx> btw jpg is not the best format for the comparison ;) 21:40:41 <Darkvater> oh shut up :O 21:40:43 <Darkvater> :) 21:40:54 <Darkvater> some ass is hogging all the bandwidth 21:40:55 <glx> but indeed left looks way better 21:41:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.195] has joined #openttd 21:42:08 <Darkvater> for clarity: right is the nightly 21:45:54 <Darkvater> http://www.liacs.nl/~tfarago/openttd-useful-v1.3-win.zip << file should be here but URL doesn't work for me 21:46:26 <Rubidium> is that different from the one officially released? 21:46:48 <Rubidium> hmm, it was never released? 21:46:53 <Darkvater> well obviously as I get anti-aliased fonts :P 21:47:22 <Darkvater> that's my version that I wanted to put up for release but by the time I got around to it someone already updated the libs 21:47:42 <Darkvater> heh; compile time surely has increased.. :) 21:48:18 <Rubidium> you wanted to update the libs when you were in "isolation"? 21:48:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.218.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:31 * Darkvater hides in shame 21:48:42 <Darkvater> wanted to send it to somebody to update it 21:48:53 <Darkvater> I had a moment of weakness 21:49:05 * petern hugs Darkvater 21:49:28 <Rubidium> anyhow, I'm primarily interested in the difference in the ftoption.h file between the useful 2.0 and your version 21:49:47 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:59 <Darkvater> http://paste.openttd.org/179090 21:50:09 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1DCA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:11 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:50:12 <Darkvater> I always did the libraries through this...I think :P 21:50:43 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1DCA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:52:16 <Darkvater> I'll try and see what is the exact difference over the weekend 21:52:29 <Rubidium> bah... no msvc in any of the windows vms I've got 21:52:40 <Rubidium> so I can't quite test/build the libraries myself 21:52:47 <Rubidium> lets hope glx can tell more ;) 21:52:52 <Rubidium> or you in the weekend 21:53:18 <Rubidium> might s/__cdecl/__stdcall/ be of any influence? 21:53:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:53:28 <Darkvater> that's only linker stuff 21:53:56 <Darkvater> can't remember why I did that but somehow it was a bitch to link everything together 21:53:57 <glx> http://paste.openttd.org/179091 <-- I followed these steps 21:54:02 <Darkvater> or I'm noobies 21:54:26 <Rubidium> what glx posted is how I made the lib 21:55:28 <glx> I just remember libs built with 2008 don't work well with 2005 21:56:34 <rortom> they changed quite a lot in the new VS ... :\ 21:56:39 <Darkvater> hmm, both ftoption.h's are the same 21:56:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:59 <rortom> they still fail in compile times: 3x slower than gcc+make 21:56:59 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 21:57:16 <Darkvater> wait 21:57:23 <Darkvater> what kind of a gay compare is this 21:57:24 <glx> rortom: link time is slow, compile time is quite fast 21:57:24 <Rubidium> rortom: it's just that gcc doesn't have lto yet 21:58:03 <rortom> glx, for me the compilation and linking is awful slow under VS 21:58:08 <petern> awfully 21:58:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:58:15 <glx> rortom: compare the exe size 21:58:16 <Darkvater> stupid program; I have 2 files open and it compares them with itself... 21:58:19 <petern> and yes, it is, because it does link time optimisation 21:58:43 <Darkvater> ok 21:59:08 <Darkvater> mine has FT_CONFIG_OPTION_SUBPIXEL_RENDERING and TT_CONFIG_BYTECODE_INTERPRETERE defined 21:59:18 <Darkvater> yours (official) has them commented out 21:59:35 <rortom> need to go, cu 21:59:45 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acc29c2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:08 <Darkvater> so bla, bla patent shit 22:00:17 <Rubidium> sounds like it's time to make a openttd useful 2.1 22:00:34 <Rubidium> with updated freetype + changed ftoption.h.replacement 22:00:43 <Belugas> shit gay... yup, that's our real Darkvater :) not a substitute :D 22:00:51 <Rubidium> and an updated icu4c 22:01:57 <Rubidium> and an updated libpng 22:02:09 <Rubidium> only zlib isn't updated (since mid 2005) 22:02:40 <Darkvater> http://paste.openttd.org/179092 << I have this now; glx should check if extern is needed 22:02:56 <Darkvater> I might've added it for VS2005/VS2008 compatibility 22:04:45 <Belugas> gone home... tada 22:04:50 <Rubidium> night Belugas 22:04:51 <Darkvater> bye Belugas :) 22:10:51 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest1623 22:10:53 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 22:15:28 *** slalom77 [~fgch@p4FE1DCA7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:01 <Roujin> between r15177 and r15197 a little bug creeped in (probably by freeform edges): lowermost tile doesn't show the white terraforming dot anymore 22:17:41 <Wolf01> 'night 22:17:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:24:40 <Darkvater> gn all :) 22:24:43 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: sleepie] 22:28:19 <glx> hmm 2005 really don't like 2008 freetype 22:35:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15199 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix (r15190): The south point of the south-most tile wasn't highlighted during terraforming. 22:35:57 <Roujin> nice job, yexo :) 22:40:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:41:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:41:27 <Nite_Owl> Why was there no general announcement of Yexo being named a Developer or did I miss it? Congratulations Yexo. 22:42:16 <Yexo> thanks Nite_Owl 22:42:20 <roboboy> GMORNING 22:42:42 <Yexo> and as far as I'm aware, there hasn't been an announcement for other devs either 22:42:52 <Yexo> first commit == announcement :p 22:44:52 <roboboy> I uploaded a screenshot to http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2563 22:45:28 <glx> roboboy: modifying industry grf ingame is not a good idea 22:45:28 <Nite_Owl> for those of us that read the changelog on a regular basis that holds true. There has not been a change in the lineup for some time but the last time there was I seem to remember something being posted on the forums. 22:45:53 <glx> roboboy: oups forget me :) 22:46:09 <Yexo> roboboy: did you try reloading your savegame? 22:47:29 <roboboy> I did not modify asny industry grfs 22:48:01 <roboboy> I jjust loaded ukrs and av8 after the game loaded 22:48:16 <glx> roboboy: indeed, that's why I said oups :) 22:48:57 <roboboy> ah 22:48:58 <glx> but reloading the savegame should recount vehicle 22:49:00 <glx> s 22:49:09 <roboboy> reloading the game fixed it 22:52:55 <roboboy> but it has come back soon after 22:53:47 <glx> so something decreases the counter when it shouldn't 22:55:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:55:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:36 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:58:28 <el_en> semi-offtopic question: are there commercial development tools for Linux that someone uses that have proven to be worth their price? debuggers, IDEs, something like that. 22:58:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C7C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause> is there anything for linux that has a price > 0? 23:00:37 <glx> there are commercial programs IIRC 23:00:38 <el_en> sure. 23:00:44 <glx> and some games 23:01:48 <el_en> and oracle dbms... 23:02:26 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: tech support? 23:02:56 <el_en> i've been coding price > 0 software for linux for the past years. 23:03:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:03:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@54.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 23:05:55 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:06 *** Guest1623 is now known as SmatZ 23:07:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15200 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: give server admins a tool to combat profanity in nick names (based on patch by dihedral) 23:11:24 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226128235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:18:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228071051.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:52 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 23:19:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:21:26 <Roujin> eep 23:21:59 <Roujin> Assertion failed at c:\openttd\compile\src\tile_map.h:136: IsValidTile(tile) :( 23:21:59 <dihedral> i will not reverse that 23:22:06 <dihedral> oh 23:22:45 <Roujin> unfortunately I have no idea what caused it because I just let the 6 AIs currently available battle each other 23:22:46 <glx> Roujin: FS#2565 23:24:14 <Roujin> I see.. someone else was faster noticing this 23:31:20 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:35:31 <Roujin> wait a second.. I can trigger the assert 23:36:13 <dihedral> Roujin, run it in gdb and get a trace? 23:36:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:20 <Rubidium> Roujin: it's easy 23:36:24 <Rubidium> and easily reproducable 23:36:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:36:37 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 23:36:39 <Roujin> oh, ok then 23:36:40 <dihedral> oh - btw: congrats on getting services back up ;-) 23:37:25 <Roujin> I thought it wasn't because the poster of FS#2565 didn't describe any way to trigger it 23:37:33 <Rubidium> true 23:37:39 <Rubidium> but the dump gave a stacktrace 23:37:47 <Rubidium> which gave us an idea where to look 23:38:35 <Rubidium> Roujin: I'm assuming you've enabled freeform though 23:38:52 <Roujin> yes 23:39:25 <Roujin> freeform enabled + open map + switch it to "land owner" mode -> assert 23:39:44 <Rubidium> yup 23:50:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15201 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2565] (r15190): The smallmap tried to get the owner of invalid tiles. 23:55:44 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-1-9.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:55:45 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226128235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 23:57:44 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]