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00:00:10 <User1> and thought this OpenTTD would be a complete one with all needed files inclusive 00:00:58 <SpComb> no, most people play with the graphics from the origional TTD, and OpenTTD obviously can't distribute those 00:01:11 <NukeBuster> how do i keep the goto button sticky? 00:01:27 <kd5pbo> Aren't there other graphics out there? 00:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> NukeBuster: press the "G" key 00:01:48 <User1> yes, it can't, you're right 00:01:50 <NukeBuster> thanks 00:02:06 <Eddi|zuHause> (note that this does not make it sticky, but easier to handle) 00:02:27 <Eddi|zuHause> there might be a setting meanwhile, though. didn't play in a while 00:03:11 <User1> so could someone tell me if all required files, not the original ones, patched ones, made by users for other users, are available in the forum? 00:03:36 <SpComb> there's OpenGFX, which is apparently fairly complete now 00:04:30 <SpComb> never looked at it personally though, I bought the Tycoon Collection pack sometime a long time ago 00:05:18 <User1> well, I think I've got to do the same 00:06:30 <SpComb> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hasbro-Tycoon-Collection-3-pack/dp/B00004UBQ0 00:07:51 <User1> thanks 00:08:20 <User1> but I think I'm going to search one from Germany....cheaper delivery than from the isle :P 00:09:21 <SpComb> a lot of the people "selling" Transport Tycoon are really just giving you an illegal download, though, so be careful 00:09:41 <Sacro> all the ones on ebay are illegal 00:09:50 <Sacro> they come with a "XP compatability" 00:10:13 <User1> oh, thanks! good to know 00:10:56 <petern> My copy from ebay was legit 00:11:25 <SpComb> nah, some of the ones on ebay.de look completely legit 00:11:30 <petern> But no point buying a dodgy copy when you can get those very easily anyway 00:12:31 <User1> dodgy? sorry, don't know that word 00:13:32 <kd5pbo> illegitimate 00:13:39 <kd5pbo> Also, not trustable. 00:14:31 <SpComb> http://www.5dollarsoftware.com/s5775.html <-- but e.g. that? 00:15:38 <User1> thanks for the translation 00:19:53 <SpComb> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260355324538 <-- but e.g. that's a fraud 00:21:17 <User1> i've got found a download-area, which offers a lot of TTD-files, even playable versions: 00:21:19 <User1> http://www.tt-ms.de/downloads/ 00:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that is... err... not very legal... 00:22:11 <User1> ??not? 00:22:12 <User1> oh 00:22:21 <petern> not legal 00:22:23 <User1> so better not 00:22:35 <petern> being not legal doesn't stop most people 00:22:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EDB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:01 <el_en> OpenTTD itself is not quite legal, so... if that matters, avoid using it. 00:24:01 <User1> I did not think, that such a quite normal looking webpage would offer a illegal version 00:24:10 <User1> or illegal offer 00:24:38 <Sacro> heh 00:24:56 <SmatZ> you don't pay for it, so it's suspicious.. 00:25:16 <SmatZ> but still much better than when you pay for it and you get an illegal copy :-P 00:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't pay for Linux either, so it is also suspicious ;) 00:25:47 <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: should be. 00:25:50 <Sacro> blooming germans and their capitalism 00:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> capitalism is dead. 00:26:37 <SmatZ> :-) 00:26:41 <User1> I thought, TT is freeware nowadays, so it could be a legal offer 00:27:03 <Sacro> nope 00:27:08 <Sacro> TT isn't freeware at all 00:27:13 <User1> yes, i realised ;) 00:27:18 <Sacro> not until the copyright owners say so 00:27:23 <User1> or is it realized? don't know 00:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> life of the author plus 70 years 00:27:28 <SmatZ> http://www.chrissawyer.com/faq2.htm :-p 00:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and as far as we can tell, the author is still alive 00:28:00 <SmatZ> or has been alive in the last 70 years 00:28:06 <Sacro> User1: realised 00:28:35 <User1> thanks Sacro, learned something again ;) 00:28:41 <el_en> the "support the developers" part is maybe exaggeration after all these years. 00:29:40 <SmatZ> :) 00:30:10 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: X restart] 00:30:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "it's unlikely it will ever be updated unless the time and costs can be justified by potential sales" <- with the existance of TTDPatch and OpenTTD, these expectations are probably very very low. 00:31:19 <SmatZ> :) 00:32:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74F20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:16 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:39 <User1> well, I think these were my questions 00:34:24 <User1> I'm going to look out for some legal versions, may be ebay could help me 00:34:54 <User1> gn8 everyone 00:34:59 <User1> and thanks for answering 00:35:12 *** User1 [~User1@p5089693C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 00:44:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-75.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EDB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:48:03 <FauxFaux> RE earlier, http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=48935, 1.9mb .torrent. :p 00:49:51 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.107.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:52:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181182235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 00:58:31 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485ED1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EDB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:07:28 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 01:08:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15332 /trunk/src/heightmap.cpp: -Fix (r15190): terrain generated from heightmaps always was at sea level at both southern borders 01:08:52 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 01:10:24 <el_en> testing ⬠À ö Å¡ пÑÐžÐ²ÐµÑ 01:10:37 <glx> works 01:10:52 <goodger> ^this 01:10:59 <Sacro> µ 01:11:03 <Sacro> ÏÞŠ01:11:19 <Sacro>  01:11:56 <glx> ã°ã 01:11:57 <el_en> but on the other hand, SpComb's log doesn't. 01:12:46 <el_en> there's just some crap instead of correct characters, no matter what the manually selected encoding is in the browser. 01:13:22 <Sacro> yeah 01:13:28 <Sacro> SpComb is a crap programmer :p 01:13:41 <glx> if the client uses wrong encoding it can't work : 01:13:45 <glx> :) 01:13:48 <Rubidium> playing with fancy letters again? 01:14:13 <Rubidium> well, characters 01:14:18 <Sacro> http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Bull-loose-west-Hull/article-668073-detail/article.html 01:15:51 <el_en> the bull in hull... 01:15:57 <Rubidium> ã <- could use that to not highlight a certain person ;) 01:16:05 <el_en> ...stays mainly on the plain? 01:20:59 <el_en> SpComb: ur !logs thing doesn't obey the "UTF-8 please" charset. 01:24:51 *** `Ka [~teab0y@79-67-190-245.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 01:45:07 <SpComb> Sacro: pfft, I wrote that millions of years ago 01:45:43 <Sacro> lol 01:47:34 <SpComb> it seems to do htmlentities on the raw utf8 as latin1 01:54:05 <SpComb> hmm... this contains some interesting code 01:56:34 * SpComb partially fixes it to the limits of what he can be bothered to with PHP 01:57:12 <el_en> while you are at it, there's an unnecessary apostrophe in "Click the timestamp/nick to view the line in it's context" 02:00:15 <SpComb> darn 02:00:27 * SpComb toys around with idea of re-implementing in Python 02:01:05 <el_en> thanks, now it looks better apostrophewise. 02:01:23 <SpComb> still need to figure out wsgi and what's a sensible HTML template library 02:12:54 *** angelo [angelo@ppp99-81.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #openttd 02:31:50 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:30 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ED1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:20 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:07:41 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ED1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:14:44 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:15:26 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:32:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:58 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:38:19 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-131-63-210.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:38:39 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-63-210.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 03:47:55 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:00:43 *** Zorn| [zorn@e177236094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:05:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:08:05 *** Zorn [zorn@e177238065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 04:30:10 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@174-156-102-204.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:30:50 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@173-112-184-163.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #openttd 04:40:24 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:47:57 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@173-112-184-163.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:49:16 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@173-112-0-56.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #openttd 04:50:30 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:57:00 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:55 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 05:11:01 *** prakti [~myself@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:15:10 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ED1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:20:20 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20:28 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 05:40:17 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@173-112-0-56.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:40:41 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 05:42:29 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:52 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@173-112-0-56.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #openttd 06:03:48 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DC23.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:15:15 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:09 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 06:30:09 *** MexiNerd [MexiNerd@ip72-207-23-205.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:16 <MexiNerd> The feral Negro beast is 19 times more likely to have an STD than somebody from any other race. Learn even more facts about the animalistic niiiigggger from Chimpout! http://www.chimpout.com/forum/index.php Chimpout welcomes members of all races, except for Negroids. We accept with open arms Asians, Semites, Jews, non-negroid Hispanics, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, and etc. We value diversity and hate nnniiiigggers. http://w 06:31:02 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*MexiNerd@*.sd.sd.cox.net] by petern 06:31:02 *** MexiNerd was kicked from #openttd by petern [MexiNerd] 06:33:45 *** Mortomes_ [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:50 *** ErrantEgo [~ErrantEgo@errantego.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:39:14 *** nemith [~bennetb@nemith.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:39:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o nemith] by nemith 06:39:36 *** mode/#openttd [-o nemith] by nemith 06:39:36 *** nemith [~bennetb@nemith.netop.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 06:39:49 *** ErrantEgo [~ErrantEgo@errantego.user.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 06:45:11 * petern blinks 06:58:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 07:04:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:33:15 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:15 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 07:44:10 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:18 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:01 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 08:13:44 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:01 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:31:16 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 08:52:01 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 09:06:15 *** Xaroth_ [~shaman@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 09:13:03 *** Xaroth [~shaman@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:50 <planetmaker> g'day 09:27:20 *** Xaroth_ is now known as Xaroth 09:29:39 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 09:32:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:32:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:27 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 09:36:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:38:06 * planetmaker hugs Rubidium :) [02:15] <Rubidium> ã <- could use that to not highlight a certain person ;) 09:41:41 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 09:44:45 *** mikl_ [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 09:47:24 <dihedral> hello 09:47:30 <dihedral> hello computer! 09:48:20 <welshdragon> good morning dihedral 09:48:29 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:48:33 <dihedral> Sacro,  <- i can do one too :-P 09:48:39 <dihedral> hello welshdragon 09:49:28 * dihedral pokes Yexo 09:50:15 <welshdragon> bloody hell 09:50:19 <dihedral> ? 09:50:36 <welshdragon> my mac has 6:13 hours of battery life remaining 09:50:56 <welshdragon> that's more than what i'll need it for today 09:51:04 <planetmaker> :) 09:51:26 <planetmaker> welshdragon: compile a few times openttd and your remaining battery lifetime will decrease significantly :) 09:51:37 <welshdragon> nah 09:53:38 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@lies.students.cs.uu.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:42 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 09:54:07 <dihedral> yes, happens to me a lot 09:54:17 <dihedral> i think i have enough power for the train ride 09:54:26 <planetmaker> he, yes :) I know that, too 09:54:39 <dihedral> then you start coding and compiling 09:54:42 <planetmaker> from exactly those occasions... 09:54:52 <planetmaker> Another test bound to be on Friday :) 09:54:53 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:56 <dihedral> and before you know it, you are stuck in a dark room and you miss the illumination of your screen 09:54:57 <dihedral> :-D 09:55:08 <welshdragon> and keyboard 09:55:15 * dihedral has a ppc 09:55:16 * welshdragon has the top end macbook 09:55:43 <dihedral> what i dont like about the new things is their size 09:56:02 <petern> estimated battery life is always a crock of shit... 09:56:04 <planetmaker> oh, the "normal" macbooks aren't too big IMO 09:56:17 <planetmaker> petern: it's quite alright for mine. Unless I change CPU usage :) 09:57:18 <planetmaker> the "10 minutes remaining" warning is usually quite correct. 09:57:36 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:58:12 <welshdragon> yes, macs are pretty good at telling you how much battery you have left 09:58:27 <planetmaker> yup 09:58:49 <welshdragon> windows machines have variable computer usage 09:59:15 <thingwath> quite alright... for me it works like "you still have ~30 minutes" and few seconds later "hurry, your system is going to die in a few moments" :) 09:59:40 <dihedral> petern, i have had no issues with the estimates in my mac so far ;-) 09:59:55 <petern> is it new? 09:59:59 <dihedral> nope 10:00:03 <planetmaker> thingwath: that's only true, if it's ~30 minutes when using editors only and I then invoke a "make -j4" on the source... 10:00:06 <dihedral> PowerBook 10:00:07 <welshdragon> mine is 10:00:16 <dihedral> and the battery aint young either 10:00:18 <planetmaker> mine is 2 year old macbook. Still ok 10:00:48 <thingwath> maybe for macbook, but my PC works like that :) 10:00:52 <petern> what they need is a hydrogen fuel cell instead 10:00:56 <dihedral> estimates on other laptops... yes, ok, but that is something different 10:00:57 <planetmaker> thingwath: hehehe :) 10:01:05 *** mikl_ [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:05 <planetmaker> petern: that'd be awesome :) 10:01:15 <thingwath> or maybe it is gnome-power-manager fault... 10:02:17 <planetmaker> I have no comparison to other laptops as the macbook is my first one... so... 10:03:01 <petern> ime battery laptops have massive capacity until you actually come to use it 10:03:08 <thingwath> but the best thing about gnome-power-manager is its warning dialog 10:03:29 <planetmaker> petern: sure, that's true. But is there an algorithm to estimate how much you're going to use it? :) 10:03:50 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:01 <planetmaker> of course it might be an idea to give two estimates: remaining time with given power consumption and remaining time with max. power consumption 10:04:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.61] has joined #openttd 10:05:23 <planetmaker> Another idea would be to introduce some kind of heuristics and monitor user habits - and give an estimate on previous behaviour. 10:05:35 <planetmaker> But surely then people would cry out that the sytem is spying onto them. 10:05:49 <thingwath> spying? 10:06:12 <thingwath> gnome-power-manager has some statistics about previous battery usage and shows even some charts 10:06:24 <planetmaker> well. A system which kind of records your behaviour in order to analyse it... :) Only thing you need is then a routine reporting it back :P 10:06:55 <planetmaker> thingwath: from current session? Or over several sessions? 10:08:03 <thingwath> I don't understand the charts :-) 10:08:30 *** evandar [~evandar@trashcan.g8mb.cz] has joined #openttd 10:09:45 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@lies.students.cs.uu.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:22 <planetmaker> then they're worthless. 10:11:34 <thingwath> Yes. 10:12:19 <welshdragon> hmm 10:13:37 <thingwath> http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xbarto11/discharge-time-profile.png 10:13:40 <thingwath> it looks like this 10:13:55 <thingwath> (stav baterie = battery state, uplynulÃœ Äas = elapsed time) 10:17:31 <petern> what is that supposed to mean? 10:18:17 <thingwath> discharge time profile 10:18:44 <petern> yes i know what the title is 10:18:49 <thingwath> I really have no idea... :) 10:19:09 <thingwath> If I knew, I would not ask. :) 10:19:26 <petern> to me it looks like it's saying the battery lasts 1m20 seconds even if it is 20% or 90% charged... 10:19:32 <petern> so clearly i don't know what i'm looking at 10:19:55 <thingwath> well, in english it's not elapsed time, but "average time elapsed" 10:21:52 <petern> means nothing to me :o 10:22:35 <thingwath> it might be just some random data, it's really meaningles :) I don't know why is it there. 10:22:47 <petern> urgh 10:22:54 <petern> 15" widescreen monitor 10:23:03 <petern> tiny :o 10:26:50 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.209] has joined #openttd 10:28:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80354.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [icebears... take care of them!] 10:29:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80354.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:35:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:03 *** evandar [~evandar@trashcan.g8mb.cz] has quit [Quit: Conversation terminated] 10:45:00 <petern> bah, hungry 10:54:40 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CF7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:59:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:23 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 11:19:35 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 11:20:15 <OsteHovel^EEE> Someone one here has any knowledge about compiling OpenTTD SVN with Mingw32 on Linux? 11:20:30 * OsteHovel^EEE has a problem with Squirrel failing... 11:20:55 <Aali> whats the error? 11:20:56 <OsteHovel^EEE> *failing copilling but compiling for Linux with GCC works... 11:21:04 <OsteHovel^EEE> i will get the error message 11:21:59 <OsteHovel^EEE> [SRC] Compiling 3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.cpp 11:21:59 <OsteHovel^EEE> /home/ostehovel/openttd/trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.cpp: In function âSQInteger sq_aux_invalidtype(SQVM*, SQObjectType)â: 11:21:59 <OsteHovel^EEE> /home/ostehovel/openttd/trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.cpp:43: error: âswprintfâ was not declared in this scope 11:22:31 <dihedral> hihi 11:23:02 * OsteHovel^EEE is downloading the SVN again... 11:23:10 <dihedral> that's not the problem 11:23:35 <Aali> ^ what he said 11:23:43 <Aali> you're missing wide-character support somewhere 11:23:55 <Rubidium> looks like the mingw api's missing some stuff 11:24:08 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok 11:24:13 <OsteHovel^EEE> i will try to install the APi again... 11:24:16 <Rubidium> it compiles with mingw on Windows though 11:24:34 <Rubidium> reinstalling the API won't work, maybe installing a never version 11:24:35 <OsteHovel^EEE> i had i feeling that i fucked up the APi files... 11:24:57 <dihedral> so it's a layer 8 issue 11:25:04 <Rubidium> oh, you've been playing with those files... then all bets are off ;) 11:25:43 <OsteHovel^EEE> i havent playing with them my pc died during installastion of it... but i tought i it was finished.... 11:25:59 * OsteHovel^EEE has deleted all the mingw files and downloading and installing again... 11:26:45 <OsteHovel^EEE> if you compile OpenTTD with MSVC or use Mingw32 are the MSVC .exe file faster than the .EXE Mingw makes? 11:27:20 <petern> could be, msvc does link-time optimisation 11:27:33 <petern> don't know if anyone has benchmarked it though 11:28:00 <OsteHovel^EEE> dont MinGW do optimizing when linking? 11:28:05 <Rubidium> yup, lto can have beneficial effects on performance 11:28:18 <Rubidium> though they're working on lto for gcc 11:28:29 <Rubidium> but that barfs at the moment on OpenTTD's code 11:29:17 * OsteHovel^EEE dosent like microsoft's compiler becouse its not open source.... 11:32:56 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.209] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:33:28 <OsteHovel^EEE> This is my log: http://ostsoft.net/~ostehovel/log.txt.html 11:33:30 <OsteHovel^EEE> Error again 11:34:01 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.209] has joined #openttd 11:34:56 <Rubidium> try with ./configure --disable-unicode 11:34:59 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok 11:35:45 <OsteHovel^EEE> Thanks Rubidium 11:35:50 <OsteHovel^EEE> now it has compiled that file... 11:36:01 <OsteHovel^EEE> Nooo 11:36:02 <OsteHovel^EEE> error 11:36:18 <OsteHovel^EEE> i will post the error soon 11:36:33 <planetmaker> OsteHovel^EEE: besides that error, you might consider to install zlib, too. It makes the game much more enjoyable :) 11:36:34 <Rubidium> then there's really something wrong with the MinGW API 11:36:37 <OsteHovel^EEE> i know 11:36:54 <OsteHovel^EEE> i have zlib for windows i just have disabled until i get the comiling working 11:37:10 <OsteHovel^EEE> i want it to work before trying to add features... 11:38:37 <Rubidium> r15325 works for sure with mingw on Windows 11:39:13 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.138] has joined #openttd 11:39:24 <planetmaker> OsteHovel^EEE: maybe you have disabled too much? 11:39:29 <OsteHovel^EEE> maybe... 11:40:40 <Rubidium> that shouldn't result in swprintf not being defined 11:43:42 <OsteHovel^EEE> http://ostsoft.net/~ostehovel/readlog.php 11:44:05 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:06 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 11:44:34 <OsteHovel^EEE> i think it something wrong with my libraries.. 11:44:49 <planetmaker> http://cod.spieleplanet.eu/images/openttd.png <--- hehe. two lonly pairs... :) 11:45:09 <OsteHovel^EEE> planetmaker, that was cool 11:45:26 <dihedral> planetmaker, hihi 11:45:58 <planetmaker> not my idea, OsteHovel^EEE :) But interesting. I think it's around like 48 hours or so... And meanwhile it's not too far from the truth concerning who talks to whom most of the time ;) 11:46:15 <dihedral> :-P 11:46:41 <dihedral> petern and DorpsGek seem pretty close friends :-D 11:46:52 <planetmaker> :D You say, it, dihedral :P 11:47:26 <welshdragon> that's wrong 11:47:32 <welshdragon> i talk to petern lots 11:47:49 <dihedral> welshdragon, talk to? or also highlight? 11:47:54 <welshdragon> aah 11:47:57 <dihedral> there you go 11:48:07 <dihedral> this map shows highlights 11:48:13 <welshdragon> interesting 11:48:25 <planetmaker> :) well, highlighting someone is considered more important than just talking, welshdragon - but just talking after someone said something works, too, afaik. 11:48:39 <welshdragon> is it an application? 11:48:41 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.61] has joined #openttd 11:48:44 <planetmaker> I guess so. 11:48:54 <dihedral> no welshdragon some user re-draws the image after every line you say 11:49:04 <planetmaker> hehe @ dihedral :) 11:49:15 <dihedral> he's pretty darn fast too 11:49:17 <welshdragon> i was thinking of using it in the tycoon channel 11:49:18 <OsteHovel^EEE> lol i was going to rename a file and i typed rm insted of mv :P lol 11:49:29 <planetmaker> :P That sucks. 11:49:59 <dihedral> now that is one clever thing to do 11:50:14 <planetmaker> The placement algorithm of that programme could be improved, IMO, a bit, though 11:50:33 <dihedral> planetmaker, did you read the 'mega' ranting thread? 11:50:41 <planetmaker> I did read it, yes 11:50:56 <dihedral> ... 11:50:58 <planetmaker> I think there's no point to continue arguing there, dihedral 11:51:07 <planetmaker> Just let the thread die... 11:51:08 <dihedral> no 11:51:11 <dihedral> not really 11:51:33 <planetmaker> The chances of success that way are higher than giving it attention :) 11:51:33 <dihedral> though i doubt it will die 11:51:45 <planetmaker> well... let him brag then from time to time... 11:52:15 * OsteHovel^EEE loves DistCC :D 11:52:31 <planetmaker> hehe :P 11:52:32 <OsteHovel^EEE> Compiling on multiple Pc's at the same time.... 11:52:41 <dihedral> Rubidium, dont you feel like starting a 'OpenTTD Multiplayer Servers' Forum? 11:52:55 <planetmaker> what's the point of that, dihedral ? 11:53:10 <dihedral> then at least there is a place for such stuff 11:53:24 <dihedral> like with the screenshots 11:53:25 <planetmaker> it's not like there has been much need for it. 11:53:37 <dihedral> but there might be 11:53:45 <dihedral> and that would accomodate it 11:53:52 <planetmaker> Of course we could start to out-source the coop public server archive to the forums :P 11:54:07 <OsteHovel^EEE> the Linking of the Openttd 0.6.3 failed using MinGW compiler and DistCC now trying widout DistCC and copilling only Local... 11:54:07 <planetmaker> and accompany it with threads announcing and discussing the next game to be played 11:54:10 <planetmaker> but then... 11:54:47 <dihedral> polls on net plans :-D 11:54:49 <dihedral> hihi 11:54:59 <planetmaker> dihedral: yeah, exactly for that reason. 11:55:22 <planetmaker> It's not a completely worthless idea. It would allow to start building straight away without the time needed to build plans and vote upon them. 11:55:35 <planetmaker> But I have my doubts that it'd be a successful endevour 11:56:48 <dihedral> it would not 11:57:04 <dihedral> it would be as successful as any other started and stalled thing 11:57:04 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Premade_Scenarios <-- something like that would probably receive more attention in the forums, though 11:57:26 <planetmaker> well, yeah, most probable. 11:57:28 <dihedral> oh - that is a lovely idea 11:57:34 <dihedral> i'll make an scn for openttdcoop 11:57:40 <planetmaker> hm? 11:58:19 <planetmaker> I won't stop you... :) But why of a sudden? 11:58:27 <dihedral> why not? 11:58:37 <dihedral> aint gonna play it myself anyway :-D 11:58:48 <planetmaker> sure - I'm just surprised as you're internally classified as "non playing person" ;) 11:59:06 <dihedral> hehe 11:59:21 <dihedral> does not mean i could not make a nice map 11:59:47 <planetmaker> Please go right ahead :) - I'm actually looking forward. You know the wiki page :) - And I guess you still can even upload it to the PS. 12:00:11 <dihedral> probably can, but would not do it :-P 12:00:18 <OsteHovel^EEE> Error while linking the Openttd 0.6.3 source(no modifications) /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/4.2.1-sjlj/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmingwex.a(mingw_snprintf.o):(.text+0x1a90): multiple definition of `_snprintf' 12:00:35 <OsteHovel^EEE> and i do not have path's with space in it... (i hates that) 12:01:03 <planetmaker> you surely have some bogged-up library paths... 12:01:09 <planetmaker> and include paths probably, too 12:01:18 <dihedral> i see no spaces 12:01:35 <planetmaker> dihedral: that's what he said :) 12:03:32 <dihedral> ah 12:03:34 <dihedral> ok 12:03:39 * dihedral whisles 12:04:36 * OsteHovel^EEE is making a log file with both: ./configure and make :P 12:04:49 <Yexo> hello all :) 12:04:54 <OsteHovel^EEE> Hi Yexo 12:05:16 <dihedral> hello Yexo 12:05:39 <dihedral> planetmaker, he's connected again :-P 12:06:29 <Yexo> hmm? 12:06:36 <planetmaker> he :) Hi Yexo 12:06:45 <petern> fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads, fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum 12:06:58 <Yexo> hello dihedral, planetmaker :) 12:07:26 <dihedral> lol @ petern 12:07:30 <dihedral> wtf was that all about? 12:07:45 * planetmaker thinks that petern might be hungry and enjoying his meal... 12:07:59 <planetmaker> at least I hope it for him :) 12:08:05 <dihedral> fish heads have the nicest fish meat of all the fish 12:08:26 <planetmaker> depending upon the fish's size, you might just eat the whole fish... yummi :) 12:08:47 <petern> dihedral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTpUVAcvWfU 12:08:53 <OsteHovel^EEE> the error log for the comile: http://ostsoft.net/~ostehovel/readlog.php?update=youcache 12:08:55 <petern> there's a 2 minute intro skit 12:09:00 <petern> then the song 12:09:50 <OsteHovel^EEE> i think its my mingw installation but i use the one that is in the ubuntu repositories and i did not do anything with the files this time... 12:17:19 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 12:17:24 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:23:22 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 12:24:18 <OsteHovel^EEE> Can someone with experience with compiling of openttd check out this error log: http://ostsoft.net/~ostehovel/readlog.php?nocache=1 12:27:11 <Progman> what is you mingw32 version? 12:27:20 <OsteHovel^EEE> 2 sec 12:27:51 <OsteHovel^EEE> ostehovel@ostsoft3:~$ i586-mingw32msvc-gcc -v 12:27:51 <OsteHovel^EEE> Using built-in specs. 12:27:51 <OsteHovel^EEE> Target: i586-mingw32msvc 12:27:51 <OsteHovel^EEE> Configured with: /build/buildd/mingw32-4.2.1.dfsg/build_dir/src/gcc-4.2.1-2-dfsg/configure -v --prefix=/usr --target=i586-mingw32msvc --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-threads --enable-sjlj-exceptions --disable-multilib --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs 12:27:52 <OsteHovel^EEE> Thread model: win32 12:27:56 <OsteHovel^EEE> gcc version 4.2.1-sjlj (mingw32-2) 12:28:02 *** OsteHovel [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 12:29:04 <OsteHovel^EEE> mingw32 version 4.2.1? 12:29:17 <Progman> don't know, I'm asking you ;) 12:30:07 <OsteHovel^EEE> this is the files i installed; mingw32_4.2.1.dfsg-1ubuntu1_i386.deb , mingw32-binutils_2.18.50-20080109-1_i386.deb , mingw32-runtime_3.13-1_all.deb 12:31:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:34:00 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.138] has joined #openttd 12:34:10 <Progman> for mingw32 version < 3.14 openttd defines snprintf by itself 12:34:14 <OsteHovel^EEE> you cant build dedicated server without network support :p 12:34:27 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.61] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 12:34:28 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok 12:35:08 <Progman> obviously ;) 12:35:20 <OsteHovel^EEE> progman: what shoud i do? 12:35:36 <OsteHovel^EEE> how to disable mingw32 snprintf? 12:36:01 <OsteHovel^EEE> i havent changed the source :P its just openttd 0.6.3 sources download'ed from openttdorg 12:36:03 <OsteHovel^EEE> *openttd.org 12:36:14 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:14 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 12:36:15 <Progman> it isn't trunk? 12:36:49 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28E5BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:05 <OsteHovel^EEE> that wasent 12:39:22 <Progman> but even 0.6.3 got the MinGW Runtime < 3.14 check for snprintf 12:40:00 <OsteHovel^EEE> hmm 12:40:05 <OsteHovel^EEE> i will post a new error log now 12:40:47 <OsteHovel^EEE> read here: http://ostsoft.net/~ostehovel/readlog.php?nocache=2 12:41:35 <OsteHovel^EEE> i know i used distcc to make that log file... but widout distcc i get the same error... 12:42:05 <Progman> i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmingwex.a and string.o defines the same function 12:43:37 <OsteHovel^EEE> i understand whats the error but what is the best way to get rid of it? 12:44:10 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CF7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:16 <planetmaker> OsteHovel^EEE: format c:\ :P 12:46:21 <OsteHovel^EEE> :p 12:46:22 <OsteHovel^EEE> lol 12:47:10 <OsteHovel^EEE> format: command not found! im using linux :P you need to use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda :p 12:48:05 <planetmaker> oh right... eh... minigw and linux? why not use gcc then? 12:48:20 <OsteHovel^EEE> becouse im making a windows .exe :p 12:48:35 <planetmaker> aye. cross-compiling :) 12:48:46 <OsteHovel^EEE> i use GCC when im compiling my server :p 12:48:58 <OsteHovel^EEE> and for my laptop 12:49:05 <dihedral> you know ap+? 12:49:10 <dihedral> :-P 12:49:11 <OsteHovel^EEE> nope 12:49:17 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:49:27 <Yexo> dihedral: and you complain about mega for advertising their servers :p 12:49:41 <planetmaker> lool @ Yexo and dihedral ;) 12:49:56 <dihedral> Yexo, for starters, i am not just shouting it into the world 12:50:11 <dihedral> to continue, i am talking to a specific person 12:50:42 <Yexo> dihedral: don't get me wrong, I wasn't complaining here :) 12:50:46 <dihedral> to move on, it's software for dedicated servers (which i did not start talking about) 12:51:07 <dihedral> Yexo, i know :-) 12:51:11 <Progman> OsteHovel^EEE: export VERBOSE=true and then make 12:51:33 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok 12:54:04 <glx> make VERBOSE:=1 works too 12:55:11 <OsteHovel^EEE> its compiling 12:55:12 <Progman> didn't know right now how to add the verbose flag, thanks 12:55:30 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28E5BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:57:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:57:32 <dihedral> http://clanmega.warlink.eu/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=164 <- LOL 12:57:39 <dihedral> planetmaker, ^ check that out :-P 12:58:30 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f84e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:35 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad492.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:11 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:15 <dihedral> Yexo, http://clanmega.warlink.eu/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=164 12:59:16 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:59:36 <Yexo> Please read my most recent post, please don't respond to what he has to say just ignore him. He may go away after that. <- But to say that, he responded once more to you :) 13:01:13 <dihedral> this is amusing 13:01:56 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.138] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 13:02:07 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok heres your log: http://ostsoft.net/~ostehovel/readlog.php?nocache=3 13:04:13 <glx> update your mingw runtime 13:04:30 <planetmaker> well... it is. But indeed you, dihedral are one of the most frequent posters in that thread... 13:04:31 <Progman> maybe you added a library to the LDFLAGS which shouldn't be there (for this mingw version) 13:04:42 <OsteHovel^EEE> hmm 13:05:12 <OsteHovel^EEE> ok i will try to update to a newer mingw version 13:09:05 <glx> but theoricallt the code checks mingw runtime version before implementing snprintf 13:09:40 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad492.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:42 <OsteHovel^EEE> noo 13:09:48 <OsteHovel^EEE> i think i foud i bug 13:09:49 <OsteHovel^EEE> *found 13:09:49 <Yexo> glx: it does, and the runtime version OsteHovel^EEE has makes openttd implement snprintf, but for some reason mingw has it too 13:09:54 <Progman> but maybe the library is not for this mingw version 13:10:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923d1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:10:14 <glx> Progman: what library? 13:10:30 <Progman> lib/libmingwex.a 13:10:37 <OsteHovel^EEE> no i dident found a bug 13:12:49 <glx> Progman: it's an internal lib 13:13:27 <Progman> so its loaded even without the LDFLAGS? 13:13:34 <glx> yes 13:13:49 <Progman> then his mingw installation is broken imho ;) 13:13:52 <OsteHovel^EEE> :P 13:19:33 <glx> OsteHovel^EEE: what is __MINGW32_VERSION in _mingw.h ? 13:20:06 <dihedral> what's wrong with binraies.openttd.org? 13:20:14 <Rubidium> the url's wrong? 13:20:21 <dihedral> op 13:20:22 <dihedral> ops 13:20:23 <dihedral> lol 13:20:26 <dihedral> thanks 13:20:37 <dihedral> (but i do get content :-D) 13:20:41 <OsteHovel^EEE> i just uninstalled mingw but i can find you the package name 13:20:57 <OsteHovel^EEE> this is the files i installed; mingw32_4.2.1.dfsg-1ubuntu1_i386.deb , mingw32-binutils_2.18.50-20080109-1_i386.deb , mingw32-runtime_3.13-1_all.deb 13:21:13 <glx> runtime 3.13 :/ 13:21:17 <dihedral> binaries.openttd.org sorry, still - the template seems to not be working 13:21:30 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:21:43 <Rubidium> seems to be a missing dns entry 13:21:56 <glx> so snprintf is defined in runtime 3.13 too 13:22:17 <Rubidium> glx: it's debian, so it might be heavily changed 13:22:37 <glx> ha right, debian packagers are stupid ;) 13:23:09 <Swallow> I think I have found a small bug/issue: the DC_QUERY_COST flag is not set in DoCommandP when shift is pressed. 13:23:13 <OsteHovel^EEE> i downloaded a older verison :P lol im so stupid sometime... 13:23:16 <OsteHovel^EEE> *somtimes 13:23:18 <petern> downloaded 13:23:26 <petern> have you not heard of apt? 13:23:44 <petern> in etch i have available... 13:23:45 <petern> Filename: pool/main/m/mingw32/mingw32_3.4.5.20060117.1.dfsg-2_i386.deb 13:23:48 <OsteHovel^EEE> the packages i listed up was apt-get but now i downloaded some other manualy becouse i want newer... 13:23:49 <petern> Filename: pool/main/m/mingw32-runtime/mingw32-runtime_3.9-4_all.deb 13:23:50 <Rubidium> mingw32-runtime doesn't change much 13:23:56 <petern> Filename: pool/main/m/mingw32-binutils/mingw32-binutils_2.16.91-20060119.1-1_i386.deb 13:25:42 <Rubidium> looking at the source of 3.13 13:25:51 <Rubidium> it seems to define _snprintf 13:31:52 <glx> but it's in 3.14 changelog on sf.net 13:34:07 <Rubidium> hmm, 3.13 isn't on sf anymore 13:34:47 <glx> looking at 3.14 changelog it seems there was snprintf in previous version (but a "broken" one) 13:37:35 <OsteHovel^EEE> lol i downloaded binutils for windows :P 13:38:21 <glx> OsteHovel^EEE: you need source packages ;) 13:39:40 <OsteHovel^EEE> i know 13:39:50 <OsteHovel^EEE> i downloaded the source packages now:P 13:40:36 <glx> but I can't help you with cross compilation :) 13:41:26 <OsteHovel^EEE> :P 13:41:29 <OsteHovel^EEE> compiling it now... 13:49:48 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 13:52:09 *** StarLionisaac [~chatzilla@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:52:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15333 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix: AIs weren't restricted to a maximum length for ship orders. 13:53:37 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:59:10 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:10 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 14:00:15 <petern> is IsHumanCompany() even needed now? 14:00:51 <Rubidium> yup... to determine whether to run the AI gameloop or not ;) 14:01:15 <Yexo> and to disable some disasters for AIs 14:01:17 <petern> heh 14:01:28 <petern> ah 14:01:34 <petern> so AIs still "cheat" 14:01:46 <Yexo> only disasters :) 14:02:12 *** StarLionisaac [~chatzilla@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]] 14:06:36 *** kasakg [~kasakg@88.213.8.154] has joined #openttd 14:07:23 <kasakg> hello 14:07:33 <OsteHovel^EEE> hei kasakg 14:07:42 <SpComb> AIs don't know how to cope with random natural disasters? :o 14:07:52 <kasakg> h u doing Hovel? 14:08:00 <OsteHovel^EEE> good 14:08:10 <Yexo> SpComb: no :p 14:08:14 <kasakg> what's up? 14:08:28 <OsteHovel^EEE> Nothing 14:08:29 <OsteHovel^EEE> :p 14:09:45 <kasakg> original bus is better than the new ones ... very slow ... 14:10:04 <Belugas> hello 14:10:06 <Yexo> SpComb: but frosch is working on a patch to enable some disasters for AIs, iirc the zeppelin and small ufo 14:10:10 <Yexo> hello Belugas 14:10:32 <kasakg> hello belugas 14:10:40 <SpComb> Yexo: and non-random "accidents"? 14:11:07 <Yexo> SpComb: you mean breakdowns? There is no difference there between AIs and human players 14:11:19 <SpComb> no, like trains running over trucks 14:11:31 <Yexo> ah, no difference there either 14:11:41 <Yexo> the AI busses can crash the same as your busses 14:11:50 <SpComb> and the AI can handle it? 14:12:08 <Yexo> there are notified via an AIEvent, just like humans are notified via a news message 14:12:10 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:12:15 <Yexo> it's up to the AI to handle it 14:15:47 <kasakg> is there any fix for the random street in the city .... there is huge spaces wasted for road .. adjucent tiles are just filled by road .... 14:16:09 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-131-63-210.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:21:58 <SpComb> it's fun to dev when you've got a ten-minute compile-deploy-test cycle 14:24:04 <SpComb> so, is OpenTTD going to register as a GSoC mentor this year? 14:24:17 <SpComb> ah, not mentor, project 14:24:26 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 14:24:39 <SpComb> oh whatever, you know what I meant 14:25:21 <petern> no 14:25:26 <petern> i shouldn't think so 14:25:45 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:26:59 *** tkjacobsen_ [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 14:31:53 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.138] has joined #openttd 14:31:56 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:50 *** kasakg [~kasakg@88.213.8.154] has left #openttd [] 14:49:09 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:49:34 <glx> any cygwin user ? 14:55:40 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:01:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15334 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: reset setting to old value when the callback procedure returns false 15:07:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181182235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:12:35 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.138] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? 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<dihedral> we started an ai.... now it looks like an ai is starting every few months 16:15:15 <Yexo> dihedral: check difficulty.max_no_ai 16:15:27 <dihedral> thanks 16:16:12 <dihedral> unknown patch setting. 16:16:50 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228024104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:46 <Yexo> it's difficulty.max_no_competitors 16:19:03 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 16:21:18 <dihedral> that was on 2 16:21:22 <dihedral> thanks 16:21:46 <patchie> my train won't go to the service depot...it just skips 16:22:19 <dihedral> bad train 16:23:06 <SmatZ> patchie: it goes for service only if it needs servicing 16:23:34 <patchie> but it needs it:P 16:23:50 <SmatZ> report a bug :) 16:24:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e181182235.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:08 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:24:14 <patchie> :P 16:24:19 <Zahl> can i set the map size when i start a new game via console? 16:24:20 <patchie> its on 63% 16:24:56 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:25:10 <SmatZ> Zahl: I think you can, it is somewhere in _settings.game_creation (I think) 16:25:33 <SmatZ> patchie: it respects your "service every XXX days" setting 16:25:54 <patchie> where do i set this setting? 16:26:02 <patchie> before i start the game....in the main menu? 16:26:40 <SmatZ> patchie: Advanced settings - Vehicles - Servicing 16:27:18 <frosch123> that only affects new vehicles :p 16:28:22 <SmatZ> :( 16:28:26 <patchie> ahh.. 16:30:26 *** Mortal is now known as Guest63 16:30:26 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 16:30:28 <Zahl> SmatZ: ok i can see the setting in the .cfg file, but how to set it in the console? its no normal variable it seems 16:30:46 <Zahl> _settings.game_creation.map_x=4 doesn't work 16:30:57 <SmatZ> Zahl: patch map_x 4 16:30:59 <SmatZ> maybe ... 16:31:02 <frosch123> precede it with 'patch' 16:31:04 <petern> 4? 16:31:06 <Zahl> tried that too 16:31:15 *** Guest63 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:20 <petern> you can't have a 16 tile wide map... 16:31:25 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba657b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:31:25 <SmatZ> maybe it affects only current settings, and not the default settings 16:31:27 <Zahl> says its an unknown patch setting 16:31:30 <SmatZ> petern is right :) 16:31:53 <Zahl> well i dont get to the point where it would complain about that :-D 16:32:07 <SmatZ> Zahl: "patch map_x" works for me 16:32:11 <petern> patch map_x 4 16:32:12 <SmatZ> without _settings 16:32:15 <petern> Current value for 'map_x' is: '6' (min: 6, max: 11) 16:32:18 <Zahl> ah now it worked 16:32:21 <Zahl> thx :) 16:41:21 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 16:41:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DC23.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15336 /trunk/src/ (14 files): -Fix: do not use 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/trunk/src/ (24 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2598]: close all construction related windows whenever changing company. 17:01:00 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:06 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 17:09:58 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba657b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:16 *** evandar_ [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 17:16:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:18:38 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:23 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has quit [] 17:22:06 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:40 *** evandar_ [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:08 <OsteHovel^EEE> ooo 17:29:24 <OsteHovel^EEE> i think i have compiled a Mingw GCC compiler that actualy compiles openttd 17:30:01 <OsteHovel^EEE> nooo 17:30:04 <OsteHovel^EEE> error again 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an experimental compiler at the moment 17:46:42 <Belugas> so it is not then :) 17:46:57 <Rubidium> though for Windows users it might be strange ;) 17:47:24 <Belugas> indeed it could be strange for a win user :) 17:47:26 <Belugas> like me :D 17:47:31 <Rubidium> only drawback is that gcc's svn is terrible slow 17:49:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 17:52:20 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:58 <Belugas> well... msvc is terribly slow to compile, debug or release, on an Arpire One, too :D 17:58:10 <petern> pom te pom 18:01:01 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@31-42-255.ggsn.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 18:07:23 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@31-42-255.ggsn.netcom.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:50 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:12:19 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:16:21 *** Mortal 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[~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:50 <Wolf01> I always wondered why in the italian keyboard there are § and ç which are useless as the "scroll lock" instead of à and ` which are really more useful :/ 19:23:02 <petern> Dial.Revenge 19:28:28 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 19:28:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 19:32:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the Germans invented the § key ;) 19:34:16 <tosse> when you're working with the signaling tool, is there any easy way to remove signals by pressing an extra key or something? 19:34:18 * frosch123 wonders who invented "\"? 19:34:42 <SmatZ> tosse: "R" ? 19:35:05 <tosse> SmatZ: ah! yes, that will do it :) 19:35:18 <SmatZ> :) 19:35:58 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: obviously not the germans, or they would not have put it on such a remote place 19:45:23 <frosch123> "In particular the \ was introduced so that the ALGOL boolean operators "â§" (AND) and "âš" (OR) could be composed in ASCII as "/\" and "\/" respectively." <- according to wikipedia it is a pure computer invention, except "set difference" maybe 19:47:29 <SmatZ> nice 19:47:38 <SmatZ> C:\DOS\ :-p 19:49:43 <Wolf01> I need to find a way to change the layout of my keyboard and stick some symbols directly on the keys, so I can see them instead of remembering the ascii codes 19:50:27 <Wolf01> the main problem would be to have at least 4 possible chars for each key 19:51:23 <Wolf01> I mean something like the xbox360 chat pad, where you change the layout using the yellow or the green buttons 19:52:02 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:53:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:53:49 <frosch123> [20:50] <SmatZ> C:\DOS\ :-p <- in wiki is also explained, why does choosed '\' as separator :s 19:54:04 <TinoDidriksen> Wolf01, get the Optimus keyboard... 19:54:19 <Wolf01> that's the first option I discarded 19:54:46 <glx> frosch123: without reading I can guess :) 19:54:53 <Rubidium> frosch123: backward compatibility, right? 19:54:59 <frosch123> yes :) 19:55:08 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad545f8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:55:31 <frosch123> glx: but it does not make sense, unless dos 1 did not use space as command line separator 19:55:36 <TinoDidriksen> Windows allows / just fine these days. 19:56:41 <glx> TinoDidriksen: not for auto completion 19:57:22 <TinoDidriksen> Oh the UI doesn't in many places, but the APIs do. When coding, / is all you need. 19:57:51 <TinoDidriksen> Not sure why they haven't followed through... 20:01:18 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad915b6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:18 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:04:55 <SmatZ> "Road layout for new towns:" "Towns are allowed to build roads:" <-- are those strings fine? (native English speaker, please :) 20:05:00 <dihedral> because it's MS, and doing something consistently correct is just not what they do 20:05:41 <dihedral> SmatZ, i would not say there was anything wrong with that 20:06:15 <SmatZ> dihedral: thanks, it's just better to ask :) 20:08:02 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:08:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:09:08 <dihedral> @seen Bjarni 20:09:08 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Bjarni> hi Wolf01 20:09:40 * dihedral cries 20:10:08 <SmatZ> he's gone 20:11:02 <Prof_Frink> He's dead, Dave. 20:11:33 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@31-42-255.ggsn.netcom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DC23.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:13:08 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:14:41 <planetmaker> good evening 20:15:09 * Rubidium slaps Bjarni... 20:15:27 * Rubidium is getting mails about certain features not working under OSX 20:16:07 <planetmaker> Rubidium: what's not working? 20:16:14 <Rubidium> Hebrew 20:16:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ED1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:21 <planetmaker> weeeh... 20:16:27 <fjb> Hello 20:16:35 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.104.164] has joined #openttd 20:16:37 <planetmaker> is there a way I could test that? You have a FS entry? 20:16:41 <Rubidium> or rather icu and font detection 20:17:09 <Rubidium> planetmaker: FS#download_a_nightly_and_select_hebrew_as_language 20:17:28 <planetmaker> Let me check that :) 20:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15340 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): 20:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2121]: changing town road layout in-game caused ugly road networks 20:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: use a flag instead of TL_NO_ROADS to forbid towns to build roads. The flag is ignored during world generation, so there won't be 'ghost' towns anymore 20:17:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: town layout is now stored per town, so it is possible to (manually) set different layout for each town 20:19:45 * planetmaker compiles trunk 20:19:49 <planetmaker> nice feature, SmatZ :) 20:20:45 <planetmaker> the string needs removing in all languages, though :) STR_CONFIG_PATCHES_TOWN_LAYOUT_INVALID' does not exist in master file 20:21:06 <SmatZ> planetmaker: working on it :) 20:21:10 <planetmaker> :) 20:21:29 <glx> font detection was never implemented on OSX IIRC :) 20:21:39 <planetmaker> he... 20:22:55 <Rubidium> yeah, font detection is going to be fun for OSX 20:23:03 <planetmaker> :S 20:23:14 <Rubidium> you need a different version for each of the 3 'supported' versions 20:23:28 <Rubidium> cause none of the APIs are supported by all 3 20:23:40 <glx> isn't there a mecanism similar to WIN32? 20:23:49 <Rubidium> actually... maybe only 2 version.. <= 10.4 and >= 10.5 20:24:15 <Rubidium> glx: something possibly similar, but only for 10.5 20:24:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15341 /trunk/src/lang/ (41 files): -Update (r15340): remove deleted and modified strings from other language files 20:24:39 <Rubidium> so it's all quite troublesome 20:24:49 <glx> OSX devs are silly :) 20:25:13 <Rubidium> especially because we were never able to get a 10.5 SDK working on the CF 20:25:25 <Rubidium> so there's not much support for 10.5 APIs 20:27:14 <planetmaker> glx: I guess that's the backside of not having backward compatibility everywhere... :S 20:27:54 <NukeBuster> I like BaNaNaS 20:28:00 <glx> but windows has the ability to enum all installed font since win9x 20:29:25 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:29:50 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:18 *** tosse_ [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 20:34:57 <NukeBuster> So i let the ingame content manager download the openGFX... but how do I activate them? 20:35:31 <Rubidium> at the moment via the command line 20:36:17 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F8B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:20 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:20 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0F560.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:08 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:45:14 <Roujin> cheres 20:45:24 <Roujin> r<->e 20:45:34 <Rubidium> chrees? 20:45:43 <Rubidium> hmm... 20:45:44 <Roujin> yep 20:45:47 <Rubidium> actually chrers 20:46:05 <Roujin> I love chrees 20:46:48 <Roujin> they are tasty and give you a nice shade you can rest in 20:48:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ED1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228024104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 20:50:26 <Roujin> SmatZ: "-Feature: town layout is now stored per town, so it is possible to (manually) set different layout for each town" <-- what exactly does "manually" mean? Something like setting the advanced setting to what you want, then found a new town (in scedit), then set it to what you want next, found the next town, etc.? ;) 20:50:44 <SmatZ> Roujin: yes 20:50:46 <SmatZ> :-) 20:50:54 <Roujin> I guessed so ^^ 20:50:56 <SmatZ> it would be nicer to have it in the GUI though ;) 20:51:10 <el_en> http://www.112groningen.nl/Groningen/nieuws/3006/stadsbus-beland-in-water-in-de-binnenstad-video.html 20:52:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:52:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:35 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 20:53:19 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:53:36 <Belugas> GUI setting on each town GUI? 20:53:50 <Belugas> sounds like an "easy" relatively speaking... 20:54:20 <Roujin> Only in scedit, though, or not? 20:54:20 <SmatZ> Belugas: I was thinking about buttons in the "Fund new town" window 20:54:39 <SmatZ> yeah... maybe (if ever) the "Found towns" patch is implemented... 20:54:45 <SmatZ> but it would use the same window 20:55:02 <Belugas> i was thinking rather on each town's gui, after town is build 20:55:15 <SmatZ> nono 20:55:25 <SmatZ> town layout can't change after funding it :) 20:55:30 <SmatZ> you can only show it... 20:56:02 <planetmaker> SmatZ: why shouldn't it be possible to tell the town to use a grid now instead of chaos? 20:56:04 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:56:13 <Belugas> well "fund town pach"... Roujn and I worked on it, qwe were expcetnig users to come up with reasonable figures, but instead... some buthead master of anything but badaircut diverted the discussion on ... blaaaa 20:56:14 <planetmaker> of course existing stuff isn't touched, but... 20:56:20 <Rubidium> planetmaker: because that makes the chaos even bigger 20:56:30 <Belugas> ho... ok... i see, SmatZ 20:57:11 <Belugas> mmh... maybe... if... there is setting "no layout yet" 20:57:21 <SmatZ> for empty towns :) 20:57:27 <planetmaker> Rubidium: in what way? It only defines the future building behaviour... so...? 20:57:41 <SmatZ> but once you have roads, changing it will make it behave bad 20:57:47 <Belugas> indeed 20:58:14 <Belugas> thus empty towns, set the proposed layout and twon will grow out of it. 20:58:15 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the current road will stay and it will build road whereever it 'should' according to the grid system once a building gets torn down/rebuild 20:58:16 <Belugas> or something 20:58:22 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:23 <SmatZ> planetmaker: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2121/getfile/3065/WML%20Logistics,%205th%20Aug%201973.sav this is what happens 20:58:30 *** Mortal is now known as Guest80 20:58:30 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 20:58:35 <joepie91> hey all 20:58:36 <planetmaker> Rubidium: hm... ok. Messy :) I see 20:58:49 <Rubidium> ergo... you end up with a grid over chaos, which still makes it chaos 20:58:56 <planetmaker> SmatZ: thx. yeah :) 20:59:22 *** Guest80 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:43 <joepie91> in the cargodest, if i "close" an airplane goods route, how do i remove all references to it? i sold all airplanes, i can't remove the airport because it's not mine (Mega's Europe Map), and the goods keep stacking up at my train station that used to be adjacent to my airport 20:59:56 <joepie91> i can't tell it that my route is gone 21:00:55 <planetmaker> it's a patched server... Ask the patch author, joepie91 21:01:00 <SmatZ> hehe 21:01:36 <planetmaker> they're proud of their support forum actually :) 21:01:37 <Belugas> and i think there is even more than just cargodest in there :) 21:01:51 <planetmaker> Belugas: for sure there is. Or it would be his airport 21:02:00 <Rubidium> and if there's cargodest in there, then it's a quite old version... 21:02:11 * Belugas nods and is impressed by planetmaker's deduction :) 21:02:17 <planetmaker> :P 21:02:35 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 21:02:39 <Roujin_> hm, normally it should remove itself automatically.. it may indeed be caused by the fact that it's got some other patches (namely infrastructure sharing) 21:02:40 <planetmaker> except oil rigs count as airports :) 21:02:55 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:56 <Belugas> yup yup yup 21:03:06 <joepie91> wait 21:03:16 <joepie91> it's just Mega's Europe Map... you can play it without patches 21:03:21 <joepie91> the airport is owned by mother nature, so to say 21:03:25 <joepie91> it has no specific owner 21:03:28 <joepie91> so i can land on it 21:03:32 <joepie91> but not use the hangar, for instance 21:03:33 <planetmaker> which is patched. 21:03:45 <planetmaker> normal openttd doesn't offer that feature 21:03:46 <joepie91> i can even play that map on the latest regular stable release 21:03:53 <joepie91> my openttd was never patched 21:03:57 <joepie91> and i could still do that :S 21:04:00 <planetmaker> but obviously the server 21:04:04 <joepie91> it's my own server 21:04:14 <Rubidium> the savegame is technically corrupt 21:04:19 <joepie91> hm 21:04:20 <planetmaker> And how do you build unowned airports? 21:04:26 <joepie91> in scenario mode? 21:04:32 <joepie91> i have no idea, actually :P 21:04:34 <Rubidium> that it somewhat works is something completely different 21:04:36 <Roujin_> nope, not with vanilla openTTD 21:04:49 <Roujin_> you'd need a patched game to be able to build something like this ;) 21:05:08 <joepie91> well, the scenario is playable in an unpatched version 21:05:13 <joepie91> and you can still use the unowned airports 21:05:15 <joepie91> :S 21:05:20 <joepie91> isn't it a bug or something? :P 21:05:32 <SmatZ> no 21:05:32 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I'm lost in apple's APIs... You got a pointer for me where to look? 21:05:45 <Rubidium> NULL ? 21:05:54 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:54 <planetmaker> :P 21:05:54 <SmatZ> 8-) 21:05:58 <joepie91> i also played it on my non-cargodest server... (the europe map) and with vanilla stable openttd... and it still worked, using the unowned airports 21:06:06 <joepie91> but does anybody have a way of unassigning it? 21:06:07 * planetmaker goes looking for old trouts 21:06:09 <joepie91> maybe from the server itself? 21:06:30 <Rubidium> c0ffee00h ;) 21:06:37 <Roujin_> well, you can use a console command 21:06:53 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:06:57 <Roujin_> see here: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Cargodest#Console 21:07:32 * joepie91 carefully reads cargodest console documentation, then realizes he is holding his webbrowser upside down 21:07:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:07:49 <Roujin_> heh ;) 21:08:12 <Rubidium> planetmaker: kCTFontLanguagesAttribute 21:08:29 * Rubidium is reading through some logs to find some possibly useful keywords for planetmaker 21:08:44 <Roujin_> try the "rr" one.. but I'd save first, who knows what will happen with cargo currently on the way... 21:08:50 * planetmaker goes searching for that. 21:09:23 <Belugas> you could try... "patch" "hack" "yorick" "it's borken", Rubidium :) 21:09:27 <planetmaker> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Reference/ATSUI_Reference/Reference/reference.html#//apple_ref/c/func/ATSUMatchFontsToText <-- this offers a routine to propose some replacement font... 21:09:43 <planetmaker> if I understood it correctly... 21:10:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: kATSFontNameTableLanguage ATSFontApplyFunction 21:11:51 <Rubidium> isn't ATSUI deprecated? 21:12:10 <planetmaker> I have no idea so far :) ... I'll try to find out 21:12:21 <glx> it's carbon, so it's probably deprecated in 10.5 :) 21:12:28 <planetmaker> but then my 10.4 OS-X is deprecated ;) 21:13:06 <Roujin_> just to let you know, something like unowned airports (save oilrigs) is not supported in OpenTTD - if someone offers a map with that "feature", he has obviously created it with some patched OpenTTD binary. It may be possible to play such a map with vanilla OpenTTD, but i'd not be surprised if some bugs show up, since this is not supposed to be done... 21:14:12 <Roujin_> but, technically speaking, we do have some neutral stations in the game (namely oilrigs). Maybe there this bug also happens? 21:14:39 <Roujin_> i.e. routes that don't exist anymore not getting removed? 21:14:43 <joepie91> anyways, i just tried using the console, both the dc and rr commands do totally nothing 21:14:49 <joepie91> well the point is 21:14:56 <joepie91> when it was a train route 21:15:02 <joepie91> there was no problem removing it 21:15:04 <joepie91> but 21:15:12 <joepie91> maybe because the route is still there, just no active airplanes 21:15:15 <joepie91> it thinks it's still there? 21:15:22 <joepie91> even though no airplanes are flying at the moment 21:15:30 <Rubidium> cargodest is considered a patch too 21:15:34 <joepie91> otherwise when you would replace all planes, the entire route and cargo would drop 21:15:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-60-171.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:15:51 <joepie91> yeah ok, but it works quite good 21:15:53 <joepie91> if not very good 21:15:56 <joepie91> just this little thingy 21:16:04 <planetmaker> there're others :) 21:16:25 <joepie91> it's the first bug/problem i encounter in 3 days of very active playing (7+ hours a day) 21:16:28 <joepie91> on a multiplayer server 21:16:52 <joepie91> (and i actually started to like the patch :P ) 21:17:03 <Roujin_> anyways, i just tried using the console, both the dc and rr commands do totally nothing <-- what exactly did you type and what exactly was the response of OpenTTD? 21:17:37 <Roujin_> (there's no dc command btw..) 21:19:36 <joepie91> oh, i meant the dl command :P 21:19:38 <joepie91> well 21:19:43 <joepie91> it basically returned nothing 21:19:47 <joepie91> like... nothing. 21:19:54 <joepie91> not even a newline 21:20:06 <joepie91> i used rcon 21:20:12 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 21:20:15 <TrueBrain> orudge: ping 21:21:40 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:43 <glx> evening TrueBrain :) 21:22:25 * Rubidium seems to remember something with orudge and being to the USA (though he might've returned already) 21:22:47 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well .. then media.openttd.org won't work till he checks in ;) 21:22:48 * glx read something similar on the forums 21:26:24 <Roujin_> hmm 21:27:15 <Roujin_> the "Remove absurd road-elements during the road construction" setting seems to be missing an "On/Off" behind it (r15339) 21:27:47 <SmatZ> Roujin_: yeah :) there are more missing that... 21:27:57 <SmatZ> but a patch for it would be nice :) 21:27:58 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has left #openttd [So long and tnx for all the fish] 21:28:34 <Roujin_> okay, will do... 21:28:38 <SmatZ> thanks :) 21:28:45 <SmatZ> I don't know how to handle other languages... 21:29:09 <SmatZ> like, if all have "On/Off" behind the patch 21:29:18 <SmatZ> but some may have it as first 21:29:30 <glx> SmatZ: {COLOR}{STRING} ? 21:29:36 <glx> like other settings 21:30:50 <SmatZ> glx: I mean, maybe other languages don't use semicolon, maybe some have "Off / On .... some text " or "text ... Off / On ... text" 21:31:12 <Roujin_> uhm, I'd just not touch the other languages - if the english string is changed I guess the translators will get a sort of "string changed" notification on webtranslator and see that the english one got a {COLOR}{STRING} added, so they'll do the same 21:31:28 <SmatZ> Roujin_: it will warn during compilation... 21:31:31 <Rubidium> SmatZ: in that case remove the string ;) 21:31:38 <SmatZ> yeah, I would go for removing :) 21:31:48 <glx> IIRC we may get a 'broken' string 21:31:53 <SmatZ> maybe only those that don't use {YELLOW}{STRING1} 21:31:58 <SmatZ> but that's additional work 21:32:13 <planetmaker> STRING1 can only be used by english.txt 21:32:14 <glx> STRING1 is for english only 21:32:18 <planetmaker> other languages have STRING 21:32:26 <SmatZ> ok ok :) 21:32:27 <planetmaker> :P @ glx :) 21:32:54 <SmatZ> btw, I am working on that "town layout selector" in the fund town GUI 21:33:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:35:12 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest82 21:35:20 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 21:35:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 21:35:31 <Roujin_> okay, seems to be four settings that have the On/Off missing.. buy shares from other companies, smooth economy, remove absurd road-pieces, and autorenew vehicles 21:37:17 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:37:22 <Roujin> glx: does that mean it's not necessary to remove the strings from all other languages? 21:37:33 *** Guest82 [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:36 <SmatZ> incidentaly, those 4 we found when we had a quick loot at it today :) 21:40:10 <Belugas> look at that... mister Sirkoz is now spamming his oil rig grf... 21:40:14 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=41711 21:40:40 <SmatZ> :-) 21:41:39 <planetmaker> hehe :) 21:42:41 <Rubidium> just ignore (and report) it 21:43:33 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:50 <Roujin> okay, I see all the warnings caused by the change (and not removing the strings in all the other languages) 21:47:40 <SmatZ> yeah... 21:47:53 <SmatZ> taking a care about all languages is boring :-p 21:49:09 *** snappy [naveen@armakuni.lastninja.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:08 *** tkjacobsen_ [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:09 <Roujin> uhm.. I have no idea how to remove that string from all other languages without doing it manually :P if someone has a script to do this, i'd appreciate if he did 21:56:23 <Roujin> here's the .diff for english.txt..http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2600 21:56:53 <Roujin> I have to go for today, have a test tomorrow ;) 21:56:57 <Roujin> night.. 21:56:59 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85ec89.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 21:58:43 <Belugas> 2600... 21:58:45 <Belugas> so many... 21:58:56 * Belugas should rather go home 21:59:04 * Belugas waves night night 21:59:06 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:59:26 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I'm still swimming in apple's API ocean. But as it seems, cocoa is available for all supported versions and not deprecated. 21:59:40 <planetmaker> Maybe it's an idea to use its font handling functionality... 21:59:44 <planetmaker> night Belugas 21:59:58 <planetmaker> ... instead of Carbon 22:00:12 <Rubidium> as long as it doesn't break (much) it's fine by me 22:01:22 <planetmaker> :) 22:02:29 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff80c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:01 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:16 <Roest> is there a way to get the player company id when inside a global function? 22:09:43 <Rubidium> _local_company? 22:10:14 <Roest> thanks 22:10:38 <Rubidium> it isn't necessarily a valid company id 22:11:24 <Roest> hmm how can it be not valid? 22:11:37 <Rubidium> e.g. spectator in MP 22:12:01 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 22:13:31 <Roest> can a spectator go into a depot and get the vehicle purchase dialog? 22:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not 22:15:31 <Rubidium> it might see the list of available vehicles 22:15:35 <Rubidium> which is the same window 22:16:32 <Rubidium> hmm, seems also to be disabled for spectators 22:18:12 <Roest> so it's safe to assume only a player will see that list for his own company 22:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause> put an assert there ;) 22:23:27 <planetmaker> I guess before I get the keys' shapes imprinted on my forehead, I go to bed :) 22:23:32 <planetmaker> good night everyone :) 22:24:08 *** Smoovious [imp586@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:32 *** Smoovious [imp586@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 22:28:34 * Wolf01 dissolves like a ghost 22:28:47 <Wolf01> 'night 22:28:48 <Rubidium> howling? 22:28:55 <Wolf01> yes 22:29:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:29:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:57 <Eddi|zuHause> how does one bury a ghost? 22:35:10 <glx> kill -9 ? 22:35:26 <Roest> divide it by zero 22:36:37 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Who ya gonna call? 22:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Jennifer Love Hewitt 22:37:40 <Roest> wrong answer 22:37:58 <Rubidium> 42 <- right answer 22:38:22 <Rubidium> quite short for a phone number, but it's technically possible 22:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as it's an internal phone system, that is easily possible 22:40:38 <petern> howl's moving castle? 22:40:59 <Prof_Frink> Oooh, is he having a castlewarming party? 22:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> do you have any idea how long it takes to get such a castle warm? 22:42:25 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: the germans warmed windsor castle quite effectivlu 22:42:33 <Sacro> s/u$/y/ 22:45:45 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:55 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 22:52:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15342 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: allow changing town layout in the 'Found new town' window 22:57:18 <el_en> http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/uponnutpaloLS_uu.jpg 22:57:44 <SpComb> oops 23:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> they should call the firefighters, maybe they can help :p 23:05:06 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:06:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:24 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:09:29 <Roest> what did virtual void OnHundredthTick() 23:09:29 <Roest> { 23:09:29 <Roest> /* redraw the window every now and then */ 23:09:29 <Roest> this->SetDirty(); 23:09:29 <Roest> } 23:09:34 <Roest> oops sorry 23:10:15 <Roest> what did http://hg.openttd.org:8000/trunk.hg/shortlog change to? still have that bookmark from some tiem last year 23:10:18 <el_en> isn't "this->" kind of an perlism or something? 23:11:15 <TinoDidriksen> No 23:11:15 <Yexo> Roest: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/shortlog 23:11:32 <TinoDidriksen> -> is dereferencing a pointer in C 23:11:48 <Roest> thanks yexo 23:12:17 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-544388ef.lns4-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:12:34 <TinoDidriksen> Shortcut for writing (*this).SetDirty(); 23:12:50 <el_en> .... not. 23:13:19 <TinoDidriksen> Yes... 23:13:51 <el_en> yes, but i know that, that wasn't my point. 23:14:09 <TinoDidriksen> Oh, you meant...I get it now 23:14:34 <TinoDidriksen> Then yes, explicit use of this-> where not needed is kinda a perl'ism. 23:15:23 <el_en> that's the point. 23:18:10 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 23:20:55 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CA82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:22:02 <TinoDidriksen> Might be cases with inheritance and virtual where this-> is needed to enforce which you're calling, but can't recall details. 23:22:25 <Rubidium> it's coding style 23:23:13 <TinoDidriksen> Does make code more readable to outsiders, that's for sure. 23:26:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Yexo * r15343 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_town.cpp ai_town.hpp ai_town.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: Add AITown::GetRoadLayout so AIs can get the road layout per town. 23:28:27 <Yexo> Rubidium: I don't understand your patch completely, first you remove table/strings.h as dependency for all sources files, but what does the second change do? 23:32:51 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15344 /trunk/Makefile.src.in: -Change [Makefile]: don't recompile everything when english.txt changes, but only whatever includes table/strings.h. 23:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause> which part does _not_ include that? 23:56:17 <Rubidium> the blitters 23:56:29 <Rubidium> parts of the network code 23:56:42 <Rubidium> sound/midi/video backends 23:56:53 <Rubidium> parts of the ai code 23:58:24 <Rubidium> only 120 of 329 .cpp files uses table/strings.h