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Not nVidia and not a CPU. 00:53:28 <TinoDidriksen> Denied, even. 00:54:02 <NukeBuster> hmm I don't like Intel GPU's 00:54:22 <TinoDidriksen> Nobody does, 'cept open source fanatics. 00:54:28 <rortom> haha :p 00:55:09 <goodger> no, they don't like them either 00:55:12 <goodger> or rather we 00:55:44 <TinoDidriksen> I mean RMS-style fanatics - they prefer Intel because their drivers are open source. 00:55:45 <goodger> we just use them a lot because they have OSS drivers 00:58:38 <NukeBuster> i don't mind if drivers are open or not as long as they have support for other OS's 00:59:12 <Rubidium> I don't mind if they're open or not as long as there are proper drivers for the OS I'm using ;) 00:59:27 <NukeBuster> :P 01:00:08 <Rubidium> can't be bothered for the 'other' OSes 01:01:02 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177228216.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:06:04 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.104.183] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:06:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15423 /trunk/ (19 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: split widget related types to their own header and add a bit of type strictness. 01:06:44 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.104.183] has joined #openttd 01:07:01 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:26 *** Zorn [~zorn@d138061.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:54 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.104.183] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:18:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:20:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8406C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:20:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:22:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15424 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make it possible to have multiple windows with edit box open simultaniously (Zuu). 01:26:27 <rortom> Rubidium: are you ok that i copy your coding style wiki page for RoR? 01:26:46 <Sacro> isn't it GFDL? 01:28:44 <rortom> i wanted to ask to be on the safe side :) 01:29:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-181-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:42 <Rubidium> I don't think I'm the right person to give you permission for that... I've not written a single word of it 01:30:30 <Sacro> rortom: you need to ask all the contributers 01:30:58 <rortom> D: 01:31:31 <Sacro> hehe :P 01:31:46 <NukeBuster> (or just link to it ;) 01:32:06 <rortom> no, we will modify little things ;) 01:32:13 <rortom> but the base idea is good :) 01:32:35 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 01:36:14 <glx> but using a well defined coding style is a good idea ;) 01:36:47 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 01:42:15 <glx> rortom: you added too many files ;) 01:45:15 <rortom> 13789 files in 1581 dirs :) 01:45:27 <rortom> quite some dependencies and stuff 01:45:40 <glx> some of them should never be in a repo (like exe) 01:45:55 <rortom> yeah, thats a problem 01:46:04 <rortom> we need them for building the content 01:46:51 <rortom> only tool binaries are committed 01:47:13 <glx> and I saw some .vcproj.pricorde files too 01:48:17 <rortom> whoops :p 01:48:37 <rortom> those should not be there 01:48:46 <rortom> in fact we completely switched to cmake 01:48:59 <rortom> thus all VS project can be deleted 01:49:26 <glx> VS is good to develop (even if you don't use it to compile) 01:49:50 <glx> but cmake creates them IIRC 01:50:26 <glx> btw libs should not be in the repo either 01:50:43 <rortom> we have lots of libs in there 01:50:49 <rortom> since we froze them :/ 01:51:21 <rortom> and yes, cmake can create you VS project files 01:51:30 <glx> png, freetype, ... all these should not be in the repo (as they are "system" libs) 01:51:59 <rortom> ha, those are even delivered with Ogre3d ... 01:52:15 <rortom> IMO we should delete them 01:58:37 <rortom> the ogre3d guys removed that in the latest head version as well, good move 01:59:01 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177239022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:59:15 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 02:00:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:03:57 *** StarLionIsaac 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[nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:54:47 <petern> <3 r15428 07:16:37 <Tefad> also you guys might want to put most people want 'trunk' in your dev guideline 07:17:02 <Tefad> to keep people like me from defaulting to snagging the whole repository when not given a hint ; ) 07:18:48 <petern> haha 07:27:09 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-141.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:34:14 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:37:12 <petern> the OSK breaks r15425 07:38:15 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:44:27 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:47:57 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-141.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:55:42 <Zuu> Wow, thank you Rubidium! Reading email... task closed 2297 (After ~7 months with that patch 2297 is a number I know by hart) 07:57:09 <Zuu> Still, there will probably be some users either complaining that they can't type or finding bugs, so I better be aronud the forums (as I wouldn't do any way.. :p ) 07:58:16 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:21 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d195.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:27 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923da.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:16:40 <dihedral> morning 08:17:20 <Zuu> God morning dihedral 08:17:25 <dihedral> :-) 08:33:59 <Zuu> Isn't it a nice day today :-) 08:35:40 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:09 <Zuu> First r15424, and soon a lecture in micro traffic simulations :-) 08:50:49 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:57:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:57:45 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:08:21 <planetmaker> good morning! 09:10:38 <planetmaker> [16:05] <Rubidium> [#openttd] planetmaker: how's the font detection goin? <-- Rubidium I was working on it - when my harddisk failed :( 09:10:46 <planetmaker> As of now there's nothing working 09:11:24 <planetmaker> as without a working computer it was quite hard to continue :S 09:22:24 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:31:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:33:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:35:45 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:50 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:48 <petern> bool can_suspend = this->_can_suspend; 09:47:55 <petern> so is SQBool not a bool? 09:59:04 <petern> typedef SQUnsignedInteger SQBool; 09:59:06 <petern> of course not :D 09:59:21 <petern> damn it, why do these projects have to make up their own types :( 10:04:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15430 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: [Squirrel] -Fix (r15405): SQBool is not the same as bool. MSVC warning struck again. 10:05:32 <dihedral> \o/ 10:14:08 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 10:15:12 <petern> dihedral? 10:16:26 <petern> assertion failed! 10:16:28 <petern> woop 10:16:42 <petern> hmm 10:16:59 <petern> is it possible to reenable the mouse pointer during assertion? 10:17:05 <petern> it's hard to click on that retry box :p 10:17:09 <dihedral> i was cheering for your n-th MSVC commit 10:17:38 <planetmaker> :P dihedral: you're becoming an MSVC fan? It's hard to believe... 10:18:06 <petern> parameters of DrawCharCentered() seem to be messed up 10:18:10 <petern> * @param real_colour Colour to use, see DoDrawString() for details 10:18:17 <petern> void DrawCharCentered(WChar c, int x, int y, TextColour colour) 10:18:23 <petern> TC_BLACK is a TextColour 10:18:32 <petern> but it asserts that it needs IS_PALETTE_COLOUR 10:19:00 <Rubidium> interesting 10:22:16 <Rubidium> ah, so the &= 0xFF was pointless 10:23:03 <petern> indeed 10:23:21 <dihedral> planetmaker, NOPE 10:23:27 <dihedral> i am a petern fan :-P 10:24:00 <planetmaker> cute. Ottd Groupie :) 10:25:18 * petern wonders if dihedral wants something committed, or something ;) 10:25:22 <dihedral> nope 10:25:49 <dihedral> petern, i dont 'work' that way ;-) 10:25:54 <petern> =D 10:25:58 <petern> glad to hear it 10:26:25 <petern> oh dear, my content window's gone *really* slow 10:26:51 <Rubidium> it's not the content window 10:27:00 <petern> oh 10:27:07 <petern> networking behind it? 10:27:07 <Rubidium> it's: large window over lots of moving sprites 10:27:21 <dihedral> \o/ 10:27:36 <dihedral> run the dedicated server video driver behind windows :P 10:27:39 <Rubidium> drawing backend thinking to optimise it by drawing only where the sprites have changed 10:27:52 <Rubidium> and thus drawing the window lots of times 10:27:56 <petern> right 10:28:21 <Rubidium> you get the same behaviour by 'full screening' the server list 10:29:01 <dihedral> petern: i prefer to write patches for things that would be of interest, and then it's not my concern if the patch gets included or not, once i have done my part in full 10:29:10 <petern> er 10:29:25 <petern> my progress bar started before the beginning 10:29:33 <dihedral> :-P 10:29:35 <petern> download 5.82MB 10:29:38 <petern> *downloading 10:31:20 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:31:41 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15431 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix (r15425): wrongly added assertion due to unneeded & 0xFF. Now use the same method of handling the colour as it would do when drawing a string instead of a character. 10:32:56 <Rubidium> dihedral: you haven't given your mac to pm yet so he can do what Bjarni seems to be unable to? 10:33:45 <planetmaker> :) 10:33:59 <planetmaker> I'll try see this afternoon whether it's the controler or the disc. 10:34:19 <Rubidium> though when someone says he can make planets, why can't he make a harddrive; it's made of the same materials... 10:34:31 <planetmaker> I *hope* it's the disc. Data may be gone, but nothing un-replacable. 10:34:41 <planetmaker> or un-backed up that is. 10:35:09 <planetmaker> hehe. Yeah. We're all star dust :P 10:35:48 <dihedral> no 10:35:52 * dihedral is a STAR 10:35:54 <dihedral> :-P 10:35:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:21 <dihedral> Rubidium, i am not gonna stuff my mac in the mail - ditch that idea :-P 10:38:26 <petern> Rubidium: thanks 10:47:49 <Sacro> hm 10:48:13 <dihedral> hello Sacro 10:48:30 <dihedral> Sacro, please tell me you know a way to find out of the mouse is in the dock or not 10:48:33 <Sacro> good morning dihedral 10:48:40 <Sacro> it appears ;P 10:48:56 <dihedral> yes - i thought 'it' but wrote something else :-P 10:49:02 <dihedral> *if 10:49:04 <dihedral> gnah 10:49:12 <dihedral> oh 10:49:21 <dihedral> and i totally misread you 10:49:22 <petern> hey 10:49:26 <Sacro> my dock is hidden 10:49:30 <dihedral> mine is too 10:49:32 <Sacro> so when the mouse is in it it appears! 10:49:41 <petern> been trying to meet you 10:49:58 <dihedral> however, if you run openttd in windowed mode, and position the window that the dock will cover parts of the openttd window 10:50:21 <dihedral> you can, by moving your mouse down to unhide the dock, get the os x mouse into openttd 10:50:42 <petern> clearly an osx bug 10:50:51 <dihedral> and that is only because osx tells openttd that the mouse is in the openttd window, where in fact it's in the dock 10:50:58 <Sacro> dihedral: yes, that's a bug 10:51:04 <Sacro> as is the 2 finger scrolling whilst building 10:51:15 <dihedral> however, if it were possible to detect the dock..... 10:51:30 <petern> if your mouse is on the dock, it is not in the openttd window 10:51:31 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:37 <petern> vice versa 10:51:43 <dihedral> i use the 2-finger mouse thingy for zooming :P 10:52:06 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:52:09 <dihedral> petern, other apps show the same behaviour though 10:52:20 <dihedral> i.e. if you move the browser with a link behind the dock 10:52:28 <Sacro> dihedral: 2 finger up/down/left/right is scroll 10:52:32 <Sacro> goatse is zoom 10:52:39 <dihedral> you can get the link's 'title=' tag to show by hovering, in the dock, over the link 10:52:42 <petern> dihedral: same behaviour as openttd does? 10:52:53 <petern> as i said, clearly an os x bug 10:53:11 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 10:53:18 <dihedral> yes, but if you could in addition detect the dock, then you could avoid that bug from showing 10:53:47 * dihedral is glad the issue does not show when using expose 10:53:57 <dihedral> lovely dashboard :-P 10:54:23 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:56:01 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@e194.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 10:56:37 <Roujin> hey guys 10:57:00 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923da.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:07 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923da.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:57:27 <Roujin> I wonder... is any of the main devs working with MSVC? 10:58:00 <petern> me 10:58:29 <SpComb> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 10:58:35 <SpComb> le new logs are under development 10:59:09 <Roujin> hmm, then I wonder why the output directory is set to something so one cannot just compile&run openttd from MSVC.. 10:59:22 <Roujin> because it doesn't find the lang files 10:59:30 <petern> you can 11:00:16 <Roujin> yes, and I do 11:00:24 <Roujin> - OutputDirectory="..\objs$(PlatformName)$(ConfigurationName)\" 11:00:26 <Roujin> + OutputDirectory="..\bin" 11:01:11 <Roujin> I just wonder why it's set to objs$...etc. in the first place 11:02:22 <petern> it works out of the box for me 11:03:46 <Roujin> really? well for me it complains that it doesn't find the lang files 11:05:01 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:05:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 11:05:17 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 11:06:08 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923da.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:47 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923e2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:14:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B8AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:25 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:45 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:22:17 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:30:16 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@e194.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 11:34:41 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C5B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:06 <fjb> Hello 11:38:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8406C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:50 *** Lisby^ [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 11:42:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B815DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:42:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:43:55 *** mikl [~mikl@80.199.116.190.static.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 11:47:59 *** Lisby^^ [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 11:48:13 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:56 *** Lisby^ [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:04 *** Lisby^^ is now known as Lisby 11:54:23 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:14 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:18 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:06:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226156165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:16:58 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1CBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:27 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@lies.students.cs.uu.nl] has joined #openttd 12:18:36 <smallfly> are the open-graphics a collection of some newgrf files or are they totally remade? 12:19:43 <planetmaker> smallfly: there is a replacement for the original base graphics. 12:19:52 <planetmaker> They're completely new graphics. 12:20:16 <smallfly> is it allowed to use these graphics for other games too? 12:21:14 <Rubidium> they're GPL licensed, so as long as you fullfil the requirements set by the GPL license you can 12:21:57 <planetmaker> it always pais off to read licenses and actually look at the files :) 12:22:56 <petern> paint.net is amusing 12:22:57 <smallfly> *blame on me* 12:23:13 <petern> the license page says it follows a MIT license with a couple of additional clauses 12:23:23 <petern> but the source code is totally unavailable 12:24:01 <petern> http://paintdotnet.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=28245 12:26:56 <dihedral> smallfly, which other app do you want to use the graphics for? 12:28:03 <smallfly> a transport simulation. ;-) 12:28:03 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:28:27 <smallfly> (to improve my programming skills at bad because hardly portable languages) 12:28:51 <petern> that didn't make sense 12:29:15 <dihedral> no - it did not make sense at all 12:29:29 <smallfly> ?!? 12:29:42 <dihedral> smallfly, which app exactly? does it have a name? 12:29:57 <smallfly> yeah "transport simulation" 12:29:59 <smallfly> ;-) 12:30:02 <dihedral> !! 12:30:37 <dihedral> does it have a website? 12:30:41 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:51 <smallfly> yeah, but no content 12:31:04 <smallfly> i started the project a few days (!!!!) ago 12:31:08 <Ammler> smallfly: you should ask at tt-forums, you need also to ask for the sources there... 12:31:11 <smallfly> so dont expect anything 12:31:29 <smallfly> i dont want to be concurrence of openttd 12:31:37 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:39 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:45 <Ammler> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=38122 12:31:56 <smallfly> i just want to program a small app with things i miss in openttd, then i make screenshots and post them to the tt-forums 12:32:56 <planetmaker> smallfly: as I told before... there were many endevours in that direction... 12:32:59 <smallfly> so that will be my contribution to the openttd project 12:33:14 <dihedral> <smallfly> i dont want to be concurrence of openttd <- believe me, you would not be 12:33:17 <planetmaker> If you want a feature - the best course of action is to actually take OpenTTD's sources and _implement_ just that feature which you want. 12:33:19 <Timitry> How about creating a patchpack and posting that in the development forum? 12:33:32 <planetmaker> dihedral: concurrence: yes. Competition: no :P 12:33:40 <dihedral> well 12:33:41 <dihedral> :-P 12:33:46 <planetmaker> well... concurrence on my computer: no :P 12:33:51 <smallfly> i dont like c++ 12:34:37 <planetmaker> then maybe transport empire or simutrans are for you - but possibly they're c/c++, too :P 12:34:37 <dihedral> <smallfly> so that will be my contribution to the openttd project <- that aint no contribution to the OpenTTD project, that is just contribution of your ego 12:34:44 <dihedral> *to 12:35:20 <smallfly> sorry, i meant competitor 12:35:36 <smallfly> concurrence ... tzzz ... 12:35:45 <dihedral> smallfly, again - you would not be - dont worry 12:36:02 <Timitry> And how do you plan to extend OpenTTD, if you don't like / know C++? 12:36:07 <smallfly> why are you always so agressive? 12:36:07 <dihedral> as your nick says - you'd just be a small fly :-D 12:36:21 <smallfly> well i DO want to be a small fly 12:36:25 <Gekz> lol 12:36:30 <dihedral> nobody is aggressive! 12:36:48 <smallfly> i dont want to get world domination 12:37:01 <Gekz> I want world domination in a pie 12:37:19 <smallfly> i had a look at all transport simulations out now and i miss some things, i want to program now. is that so hard to understand? 12:37:49 <dihedral> smallfly, you'd hardly get world-domination with only one download, which would be your own to check if the download works, if you at all ever get that far :-P 12:37:52 <Timitry> So do you plan to write a game from scratch, or modify an existing one? 12:38:11 <dihedral> probably translate openttd to c# 12:38:16 <smallfly> from scratch. but i do not want to complete it 12:38:23 <dihedral> ... 12:38:32 <Timitry> In which language? 12:38:42 <Rubidium> something.NET? 12:38:43 <smallfly> cant say the word here in the chat 12:38:48 <smallfly> c# 12:39:11 * dihedral shivers 12:39:14 <Timitry> Well, that will be a hell lot of work... 12:39:22 <dihedral> Timitry, it will not! 12:39:24 <smallfly> dont think so 12:39:25 <planetmaker> indeed. Very much so. And mostly in vain. 12:39:52 <Gekz> suicide is painless after all. 12:39:53 <dihedral> he wont get that far :D 12:40:00 <smallfly> i dont want to create a game with thousands of different vehicles, future buildings etc. 12:40:15 <Gekz> smallfly: you wont get that far 12:40:16 <Gekz> lolol 12:40:17 <dihedral> so you just want the opengfx project for no reason 12:40:19 <dihedral> makes sense 12:40:21 <dihedral> NOT 12:40:43 <smallfly> one moment, ill post a screenie 12:41:01 <dihedral> why dont you really contribute to the openttd project? 12:41:10 <Gekz> what screenshot 12:41:11 <Gekz> of what 12:41:17 <smallfly> because im too stupid for c++ 12:41:19 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:28 <smallfly> and the variable names are to hard to understand for me 12:41:39 <smallfly> i cant follow the source 12:41:40 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:41:45 <smallfly> i really tried 12:41:46 <dihedral> smallfly, you are just too immature to use a language :-P 12:41:52 * Rubidium wonders what's so different between C++ and C# that you don't understand C++ 12:41:58 <Rubidium> C# has pointers too 12:42:01 <dihedral> i dont even knoe c++ and write patches 12:42:04 <dihedral> *know 12:42:09 * planetmaker wonders the same as Rubidium ... 12:42:18 <Gekz> dihedral: that's dangerous, lol 12:42:18 <planetmaker> ... even I can grasp some concepts :P 12:42:29 <smallfly> but i do not want to create patches like new shortcuts, or faster trains 12:42:31 <planetmaker> ... and do the same as dihedral :) 12:42:33 <petern> C# has pointers but they're rarely used. 12:42:43 <dihedral> Gekz, it's not! only if you have like no idea what you are doing! 12:42:44 <petern> or, perhaps, hidden :) 12:43:01 <petern> sometimes i get confused whether things are passed by reference or by value... 12:43:03 <Gekz> dihedral: that's dangerous. I have spoken 12:43:04 <Gekz> lol 12:43:08 <Rubidium> int * ptr1, ptr2; 12:43:08 <Rubidium> ptr1 = &var1; 12:43:08 <Rubidium> ptr2 = ptr1; 12:43:09 <Rubidium> *ptr2 = 20; 12:43:14 <Rubidium> ^ that works in C# 12:43:17 <Gekz> POINTERS 12:43:18 <Gekz> RUN AWAY 12:43:20 <dihedral> <smallfly> i cant follow the source <- again - that aint a problem with the language 12:43:21 <SpComb> fixed (byte* foo = quux, bar = asdf) .... 12:43:32 <SpComb> the nightmares :< 12:43:33 <Rubidium> assuming you're in the proper 'scope' 12:43:46 <smallfly> "i cant follow the source <- again - that aint a problem with the language" of course it is 12:43:57 <dihedral> smallfly, only because _you_ need to do some learning, does not mean a language is bad! 12:44:07 <FauxFaux> Yeah, it could be written in python, or php. 12:44:13 <smallfly> i dont say it is bad. 12:44:20 <smallfly> i just say, i dont like it. 12:44:23 <smallfly> and i told you why 12:44:31 <dihedral> you try to talk down on the language because of your inability 12:44:40 <smallfly> well perhaps 12:44:46 <dihedral> it's just the wrong approach 12:44:50 <smallfly> maybe 12:45:08 <dihedral> you need to take what is given, and adjust yourself to match it! 12:45:28 <smallfly> ... or using an alternative language like c# 12:45:32 <dihedral> only that way will you mature past your 'i only like c#' 12:45:33 <petern> you need to stop giving this guy attitude 12:45:59 <dihedral> i am trying to help him ;-) 12:46:03 <petern> you're not 12:46:06 <dihedral> i am! 12:46:08 <petern> you're not 12:46:12 <dihedral> ... 12:46:18 <Gekz> you're not 12:46:20 <dihedral> what am i trying to do in your eyes? 12:46:20 <smallfly> "you need to stop giving this guy attitude" <-- what i meant with agressive 12:46:23 <Gekz> i want to feel coo. 12:46:27 <valhallasw> dihedral: C++ is just inherently unreadable ;) 12:46:50 <dihedral> merely trying to let him look at it from another perspective 12:47:08 <petern> you are trying to say that unless it is C++ and gives something back to OpenTTD, then it is not worth doing 12:47:11 <petern> which is bullshit 12:47:14 <valhallasw> but as C# is as unreadable as C++ is ;) 12:47:57 <dihedral> petern, wrong, up there i said that it's no contribution to OpenTTD if he starts a project with another name and in another language! 12:48:29 <petern> why should he have to contribute to openttd? 12:48:40 <Gekz> petern: he said it was his contribution 12:48:41 <dihedral> the thought of 'contributing to OpenTTD' be rewriting it in c# is BS 12:48:43 <Gekz> which made no sense 12:48:52 <dihedral> *by 12:49:15 <smallfly> i dont want to rewrite openttd 12:49:33 <dihedral> then i even less see how it would be contributing, sorry! 12:49:48 <petern> some parts could easily be a contribution, a contribution that would need adapting 12:49:57 <petern> ideas are contributions 12:50:04 <petern> bug reports are contributions 12:50:11 <smallfly> programm new features => make a video of it => posting it to forums => all say wow => hopefully it gets integrated in openttd soon 12:50:18 <dihedral> petern, how would _you_ get the use of a bug report that is for another project? 12:50:18 <SmatZ> [13:51:25] <valhallasw> but as C# is as unreadable as C++ is ;) <== I think most parts of OTTD are well readable, even they are coded in C++ :-p 12:50:28 <petern> trying to follow the code to rewrite it in a language you understand, and finding something odd that could be cleaned up, is a contribution 12:51:03 <petern> dihedral, i didn't say a bug report for another project 12:51:14 <dihedral> <smallfly> programm new features => make a video of it => posting it to forums => all say wow => hopefully it gets integrated in openttd soon <- so someone else should rewrite your code in c++ because you are too darn lazy to do it in the first place! 12:51:19 <smallfly> i didnt want to start a dispute 12:51:43 <petern> learning the code by adapting parts of it to another language is one way of learning the language 12:52:14 <dihedral> if that is what would take place, yes! 12:52:14 <smallfly> "because you are too darn lazy to do it in the first place!" <-- i dont want to move some pixels, or to change some values. i want to make revolutioning changes 12:52:28 <dihedral> ... 12:53:14 <planetmaker> ... wow 12:53:24 <petern> this guy might complete a fully functioning, fully object oriented c# port of openttd 12:53:35 <dihedral> ............ 12:53:40 <smallfly> an example (dont laugh): roads being one tile broader (2 cells broad together). vehicles not moving in such a ugly way, making them turning more smoothly 12:53:53 <petern> while that may be unlikely, there's no reason to act all aggressive 12:54:03 <dihedral> i am not aggressive! 12:54:07 <petern> yes you are 12:54:08 <smallfly> *g* 12:54:10 <Gekz> you're european 12:54:12 <Gekz> thus aggressive 12:54:21 <dihedral> i am just looking at rationally :-P 12:54:29 <petern> no, you're looking at it from only your viewport 12:54:30 <petern> er 12:54:31 <petern> viewpoint 12:54:33 <petern> :o 12:54:35 <Gekz> HAHA 12:54:37 <dihedral> am i now 12:54:40 <planetmaker> lool :) 12:54:41 <Gekz> petern: awesome fail 12:54:44 * planetmaker hugs petern :) 12:54:51 <petern> auto-typo :D 12:54:55 <dihedral> :-P 12:55:01 <dihedral> you need a vacation :-D 12:55:22 <Rubidium> dihedral: you're paying? 12:55:43 <dihedral> if you take me with :-P 12:55:59 <Rubidium> fine by me ;) 12:56:04 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:56:08 <smallfly> [summary: c++ is portable and fast => it will still be the lng of openttd in future; c# is not portable and slow, so just let me play with it] 12:56:34 <dihedral> smallfly, i will never hinder you 12:56:37 * Rubidium searches for some last minutes to New Zealand 12:56:42 <Gekz> lol 12:56:50 <Gekz> new zealand>? 12:56:51 <SmatZ> :-) 12:56:51 <dihedral> Rubidium, if i pay, i get to choose! 12:56:53 <Gekz> why would you do that 12:57:00 <Rubidium> tss... 12:57:02 <Rubidium> that'd be lame 12:57:13 <dihedral> i say _we_ visit my grandparents for a week :-D 12:57:13 <Gekz> New Zealand is a hole. 12:57:26 <Rubidium> that's not vacation 12:57:30 <dihedral> :-P 12:57:32 <petern> a very pretty hole 12:57:50 <smallfly> new zealand is one the most beautiful countries on earth 12:57:57 <Gekz> A hole. 12:58:14 <dihedral> no! you are 12:58:40 <smallfly> i am one of the most beutiful countries on earth? 12:59:11 <Rubidium> dihedral: can I choose the airplane ticket then? 12:59:55 * petern considers some lunching 13:00:23 <dihedral> smallfly, i said Gekz is a hole!!! 13:00:30 <Gekz> no you didn't 13:00:33 <Gekz> stop lying to the boy 13:00:37 <dihedral> :-D 13:01:26 <dihedral> Rubidium, i'll let you buy a pair of shoes in London - kinda what all girls do :-D 13:01:48 * dihedral hides 13:02:01 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:03:17 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=763468#p763468 <- love this post 13:03:37 <petern> MILLIONS OF PEACHES, PEACHES FOR ME 13:04:19 <SmatZ> :-D 13:04:34 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:40 <Rubidium> petern: that song gets annoying when you're driving through the peach fields in California 13:05:00 <Rubidium> dihedral: as it happens my ticket would have a stop in London ;) 13:06:20 <Rubidium> and there are lots of peach fields between SF and Yosemite National Park 13:07:20 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:26 <Roujin> dihedral: thanks ;) 13:07:29 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [] 13:07:36 <smallfly> here is the reason why i need the opengraphics http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?file=09.02nfeGwC2S7qcaapk.png 13:07:54 <planetmaker> good one indeed, Roujin :) 13:07:54 <smallfly> you see, the app is nearly finished 13:08:34 <petern> smallfly: that bit was already solved, OpenGFX is GPL 13:09:23 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:09:49 <smallfly> (i only wanted to send a screenie as i promised upper in the text) 13:10:09 <Roujin> by the way: when googling for "peach" images, you get more (and earlier) hits for princess peach (from mario), than for actual peaches o_O 13:10:23 <smallfly> and i wanted to give dihedral the chance to repeat that i will ever be a small fly concerning openttd 13:10:42 <Roujin> first hit is on www.smashbros.com :D 13:11:11 <Gekz> Roujin: the internet is a bad place 13:11:42 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 13:11:54 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 13:11:54 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:40 <dihedral> Roujin, reading logs all the time? :-P 13:12:52 <Roujin> dihedral: sorta :P 13:13:11 <Sacro_> do i exist? 13:14:16 <dihedral> smallfly, i still cannot see any contribution to the OpenTTD project by you writing the game from scratch in c# 13:14:55 <Roujin> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=763440#p763440 <-- how hard is it to use google... 13:15:53 <SmatZ> :o) 13:15:58 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 13:16:25 <Ammler> well, you can now fully legal link to opengfx 13:16:43 <petern> except for sample.cat 13:16:48 <dihedral> you can fully legally link to a google result page 13:16:52 <petern> and only if you only play temperate 13:17:29 <Ammler> dihedral: I wouldn't do that, is like link to the forum post with the links. 13:18:25 <Roujin> In a forum where I am moderator, we are deleting links to youtube videos that obviously infringe copyright 13:19:05 <Roujin> also, detailed description of how to reach those pages, i.e. enter "FOO BAR XYZ" in youtube and go to the first hit 13:19:17 <Roujin> just to be safe 13:19:31 <dihedral> you are not responsible for the contents on youtube 13:19:43 <dihedral> nor are the moderators responsible for the content on google.com 13:19:52 <Ammler> just write a nice disclaimer ;-) 13:20:01 <Roujin> _you_ say that 13:20:03 <dihedral> and those organisations are big enough to manage their own content (and they do) 13:20:17 <SmatZ> if there were links to (illegal) porn, moderators could be for sure sued for that 13:20:21 <Gekz> Roujin: the law says that. 13:20:22 <petern> Ammler, then you end up with stupid things like "disclaimer: these files are for back up purposes only" 13:20:30 <SmatZ> "illegal" videos are "illegal" too 13:20:41 <Gekz> SmatZ: linking is not illegal 13:20:50 <Gekz> not in any juristiction 13:20:57 <Ammler> :-) 13:21:00 <dihedral> google result page _cannot_ be illegal 13:21:04 <Gekz> as long as you dont host it, not your problem 13:21:09 <dihedral> aye 13:21:30 <dihedral> rephrase: linking to a google result page cannot be illegal 13:21:33 <Gekz> stop trying to police the internet for the police. 13:21:36 <Gekz> ol 13:21:38 <Gekz> lol* 13:21:40 <dihedral> hehe 13:21:50 <dihedral> bad word to have a typo in :-P 13:21:53 <Gekz> self-censorship is the worst possible answer. 13:21:55 * SmatZ polices the internet for police (what?) 13:22:09 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=41783 <- WTF 13:22:36 <Gekz> Ferry-O-Death 13:22:51 <Gekz> LOL 13:22:56 <SmatZ> hehe 13:23:39 <Ammler> does cargodest handle that, btw? 13:24:10 <Gekz> I should powernap 13:24:12 <Gekz> forever 13:24:14 <planetmaker> [14:20] <Gekz> SmatZ: linking is not illegal <-- not true. 13:24:21 <Gekz> oh damn, I have to argue 13:24:31 <Gekz> planetmaker: according to what. 13:24:37 <dihedral> Ammler, where is that the responsibility of cargodest? 13:24:46 <planetmaker> There's a big German computer magazine which got sued for linking to anydvd (or something like that) 13:24:54 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:56 <planetmaker> They lost throughout all appeal courts so far 13:25:03 <Rubidium> dihedral: so pointing to http://www.google.com/swr?q=www.myillegallink.com&hl=en&safe=off&swrnum=2 is legal? 13:25:08 <Gekz> lol? 13:25:16 <Gekz> Linking to AnyDVD 13:25:17 <Gekz> what do you mean 13:25:23 <Gekz> what was illegal about it 13:25:41 <Gekz> linking to a video of dubious legal status is not illegal. 13:25:42 <Aali> the whole argument for shutting down torrent sites is that they link to sources of illegal material 13:25:42 <planetmaker> maybe not anydvd. But a prog which could copy a CD / DVD regardless of copypretection 13:25:45 <dihedral> Rubidium, is not google responsible for that result page? 13:25:50 <Roujin> heh, I love it how google ads tries to sell me "Temporary Tunnel & Confined Space Ventilation Systems", just because I'm looking at a topic about something with tunnels in openttd... :D 13:25:51 <dihedral> where then is the link illegal? 13:25:54 <Gekz> Aali: the reason they havent is because the dont host any copyrighted material 13:26:23 <Gekz> planetmaker: so Germany has a law against circumventing DVD encryption? 13:26:24 <Aali> err, alot of torrent sites have been shut down 13:26:34 <planetmaker> Gekz: unfortunately yes 13:26:38 <Gekz> Aali: not through the courts they havent 13:26:45 <Gekz> planetmaker: what a horrible country, lol 13:26:54 <Ammler> Aali: that happens all the time 13:26:59 <Gekz> Aali: they just scare ISPs into shutting sites down 13:27:01 <Ammler> if one close, 2 others open 13:27:13 <Roujin> hmm, lalalaa building some tunnels in OpenTTD.. OH! look at that fabulous ad, let's buy a ventilation system for tunnels! :D 13:27:26 <SmatZ> :o) 13:27:26 <Gekz> ?! 13:27:38 <petern> hmm, advert popups in openttd 13:27:40 <Gekz> Anyway, sleep now. 13:27:42 <dihedral> Roujin, :-P 13:27:43 <Gekz> Good night. 13:27:48 <dihedral> night 13:27:52 <SmatZ> nn Gekz 13:27:58 <Aali> Ammler: nah, they just move to another country 13:28:08 <Aali> and 2 others open 13:28:10 <Aali> :) 13:29:22 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:48 <planetmaker> night Gekz 13:29:50 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:51 <Aali> but Gekz brings up a good point, even if its not illegal in your country, you can still get shut down by the service provider 13:31:40 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:33:18 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41784&p=763509#p763509 <-- dih, might that be your server? Just a guess :P 13:35:00 <Aali> nah, Alain used to play there, he should know 13:35:35 <Aali> what do you know, he just joined :P 13:36:16 <planetmaker> :) 13:37:10 <planetmaker> Aali: he actually *didn't* know... 13:38:04 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba3b86.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:46 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba3b86.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [] 13:38:55 <Aali> yeah, I saw it too.. 13:39:26 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:44:31 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:31 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 13:45:31 <dihedral> what a silly kid :-P 13:45:31 <dihedral> planetmaker, yep that's the autonightly :-D 13:45:31 <planetmaker> look at his initial error description. I fail to see any relation to his problem... 13:45:31 *** Rubidium_ [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:31 <dihedral> smallfly, you dont need to pm me 13:45:31 <dihedral> <smallfly> smallfly, i still cannot see any contribution to the OpenTTD project by you writing the game from scratch in c# <-- its like a sandbox for testing things 13:45:31 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 13:45:31 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:45:31 <smallfly> i didnt want to start the discussion again 13:45:31 <smallfly> so i just answered via pm 13:45:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:31 <smallfly> i think the others dont want to talk about it anymore 13:45:32 <dihedral> ...? 13:46:09 <smallfly> ? concerning me or rubidium being left? 13:46:20 <dihedral> not for you, no 13:46:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 13:46:59 <smallfly> so cya guys. ill quit now 13:47:37 * dihedral has the feeling that was an empty promise! 13:48:06 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1CBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 13:48:11 *** Rubidium_ is now known as Rubidium 13:50:09 <Roujin> why do you attack him like this, dihedral ? concerned about OpenTTD with such competition? :P 13:51:05 <dihedral> that was no attack 13:51:20 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro_] 13:51:52 <Roujin> whatever you call it.. you are basically telling him that what he doing is a bad idea. (right, or wrong?) 13:52:03 <dihedral> wrong 13:52:08 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 13:52:34 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [] 13:52:44 <dihedral> i was telling him that him considering it contribution to the project not quite being a correct interpretation of his intentions 13:53:49 <dihedral> if he wants to rewrite openttd in c#, who cares, just labbering this channel full of 'i dont want to be a competitor to openttd', that alone is pretty full of himself! 13:54:05 <dihedral> going on with it being his contribution to the project.... wtf? 13:54:17 <Rubidium> dihedral: we all know he's not going to succeed with that 13:54:17 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 13:54:35 <dihedral> Rubidium :-) 13:55:06 <dihedral> i merely added my comments to his :-P 13:55:11 <Roujin> while back, someone coded a little java application to simulate something like modular airports, to test some concept that could finally be implemented in openttd 13:55:17 <dihedral> (this is a public chat channel is it not?) 13:55:18 <Rubidium> though you just gave him a bit more incentive to actually try to finish it 13:55:32 <Roujin> would you also call this "not a contribution", only because he's not directly implementing it in openttd? 13:56:37 <Rubidium> Roujin: s/java/tcl/;s/modular airports/server managament/ 13:56:51 <dihedral> Roujin, there is a difference between a complete rewrite in c# and expecting cheers 'n tears from this channel, and testing a concept in a language you are more familiar with! 13:57:10 <Roujin> Rubidium: I don't speak Hindu 13:57:27 <dihedral> i have written stuff in one language i was more confortable with, and once that worked i translated it to a language i did not know 13:57:45 <dihedral> but for that i did not have to rewrite the entire original app in the other language 13:58:00 <Roujin> I doubt he is rewriting the whole engine 13:58:18 <Rubidium> Roujin: Hindu isn't a language 13:58:26 <dihedral> http://www.bilder-space.de/show.php?file=09.02nfeGwC2S7qcaapk.png 13:58:40 <Roujin> Rubidium: fair enough 13:59:04 <Rubidium> and Hindi looks like: à€¹à€¿à€šà¥à€Šà¥, à€¹à€¿à€à€Šà¥ 13:59:29 <Roujin> yup, that looks about the same to me like what you wrote above :) 14:00:09 <Roujin> dihedral: looks to me like he wrote his own little engine for drawing some terrain; not taking the openttd one and porting it to c# 14:00:46 <dihedral> :-P 14:00:48 <Roujin> because I think for that he would have to _understand_ it 14:00:54 <dihedral> i did say 'from scratch' did i not :-P 14:01:34 <Roujin> oh okay, you said rewriting as in writing from scratch, not porting. sorry. 14:01:52 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 14:02:14 <Roujin> but, if he's writing a new game from scratch, why not? 14:02:58 <Roujin> see analogy of ttdpatch vs. openttd 14:05:14 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 14:05:16 <Roujin> at the beginning, many people were booing at the efforts of openttd, when they already had ttdpatch. But then openttd got more and more attention and people gathered and developed it, and see what it has grown up to: it has reached ttdpatch in many aspects, and gotten quite some features that are deemed "impossible / too hard to do" in ttdpatch 14:05:58 <planetmaker> :) Big advantage of OpenTTD is though: it's portable. 14:06:04 <planetmaker> c# apps usually aren't :) 14:06:29 <Roujin> tell you what? I don't care very much about that 14:07:15 <Roujin> I mostly use Windows and could live without being able to play openttd on ubuntu. I'd just boot windows, like I do for other games.. 14:07:19 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:19 <Sacro> planetmaker: that's a huge lie 14:07:27 <Sacro> C# doesn't even need recompiling 14:07:46 <Sacro> I can send you an exe written in c# that will run on Windows, Linux and OSX via mono 14:07:59 <planetmaker> ok. 14:08:08 <stillunknown> As long as it doesn't use windows specific calls. 14:08:13 <Rubidium> ofcourse you may only use whatever API is available in ALL 14:08:13 <Roujin> no offense against linux and mac users here, even if it sounded a bit like that. It's just from my point of view. 14:09:02 <planetmaker> Roujin: I wouldn't do anything for OpenTTD, if it was a windows only thing... 14:09:26 <planetmaker> It's always been too much hassle for me to set up dev tools on windows. 14:09:48 <Roujin> yes, and you're surely not the only one who'd say that :) 14:10:00 <planetmaker> I suspect so :) 14:10:26 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:12:01 <planetmaker> But then I even thought about making myself a cross-compiler from mac->win :P 14:12:41 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@lies.students.cs.uu.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:44 <Sacro> Rubidium: yes, but near enough all of them are on all 14:16:53 <Sacro> just windows lacks SIMD 14:16:59 <Sacro> unless you use mono 14:18:44 <blathijs> Sacro: So mono is faster than the original .Net framework? 14:18:57 <Sacro> blathijs: it can be, yes 14:19:19 <Sacro> Mono.SIMD gives you access to the SIMD instruction set which is a lot faster for certain things 14:20:29 <Sacro> but if you don't have those extensinos (say in .net) it will fall back to the older way of calculatin git 14:21:06 <dihedral> Roujin, behind OpenTTD was some more capable person :-P 14:21:34 <Roujin> I can't disagree with that ;) 14:21:52 <Roujin> that's why about no one here thinks that his project will be a success 14:21:58 <Roujin> me neither 14:22:18 <dihedral> <planetmaker> Roujin: I wouldn't do anything for OpenTTD, if it was a windows only thing... <- same here 14:22:28 <Roujin> but in principle, I'd say theres nothing against him trying 14:22:40 <Roujin> +' 14:22:54 <dihedral> no - i am not against him trying :-P 14:23:20 <dihedral> i am saying though that it's not a contribution 14:23:35 <dihedral> (also said it would not be of competition to OpenTTD :-P) 14:25:11 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:57 <blathijs> win 33 14:28:57 <blathijs> w00ps 14:30:13 <Sacro> morning blathijs 14:30:22 <blathijs> :-) 14:31:50 <Roujin> man, I hope I haven't put all mac+linux users against me now because of that line :P 14:32:43 <Roujin> I merely meant that I don't see this as the greatest archievement of OpenTTD. Of course others wouldn't be here in the first place if OpenTTD were not cross-platform like it is, and I know that ;) 14:40:56 <planetmaker> Roujin: it may not be "the greatest" achievement, but it definitely is a big one. Most projects fail there. 14:43:26 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:39 <blathijs> Roujin_: Being portable probably doesn't give OpenTTD much extra users, but I do think it gives OpenTTD most of its developers :-) 14:48:29 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:49:28 <planetmaker> :) 14:49:32 <Sacro> ahh, opengl gwaaficks 14:50:16 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:06 <Belugas> ya Bwana 15:05:05 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37FA56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.16] has joined #openttd 15:10:50 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:10:55 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 15:10:58 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 15:15:20 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [] 15:15:24 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37CDBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:30 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9ee9.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:19:57 <dihedral> hello Belugas 15:20:05 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:22:14 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37FA56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:31 <Belugas> hello dihedwal 15:22:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CD1E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:22:45 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 15:24:42 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:26:13 <welshdragon> hello dihedral 15:26:16 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:47 <thingwath> hello world 15:27:32 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:27:37 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 15:28:41 * welshdragon willl bbl 15:32:44 <Belugas> wellll ok 15:45:21 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 15:49:08 *** Islacrusez [~m4@82-46-47-38.cable.ubr08.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:50:01 <Islacrusez> Hallos 15:50:04 <Islacrusez> anyone home? 15:52:14 <Rubidium> given the vast amount of people there must be at least one at home, or the unemployment must've been magically solved 15:54:10 <Islacrusez> xD 15:59:46 <Belugas> home? i wish 16:04:31 * Sacro installs windows 16:04:37 <Sacro> (me) 16:06:20 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@ip565bdd29.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:23 <Sacro> need a product key 16:13:40 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:51 <Rubidium> like THISI-SNOTA-VALID-PRODU-CTKEY ? 16:17:14 <Sacro> Rubidium: that won't work will it? 16:17:31 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179216109.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:39 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:58 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:21:12 *** Entane [asdf@c1B6B47C1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:51 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:22:16 <Islacrusez> has anyone seen the serial key for iWork '09? 16:22:33 <Islacrusez> (the one available somewhere on the internet) 16:23:47 <Belugas> not in this channel, for sure. 16:24:05 <Belugas> and i doubt this channel would involve stuff like that. 16:24:09 <Rubidium> oh, you mean the one with the trojan? 16:24:14 <Belugas> kinda likeillegal a littel bit? 16:24:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226156165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:51 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:28:12 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:28 <Islacrusez> nah, the one with the trojan is iLife '09 16:30:45 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37CDBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:48 <Islacrusez> a serial for iWork contains a sequence of letters within the key ...-MOFO-MOFO-... 16:30:55 <Sacro> hehehe 16:30:57 <Sacro> Windows ME :D 16:31:39 <Islacrusez> anyone here got an OTTD server up and running? 16:32:19 <Roujin_> Sacro: reminds me of http://bash.org/?163301 16:32:39 <dihedral> Islacrusez, find servers at servers.openttd.org 16:33:10 <dihedral> Islacrusez, regarding the serial key for iWork, go buy the product! you will surely get a valid key that way! 16:33:58 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:34:19 <Islacrusez> the key containing the sequence MOFO-MOFO is actually valid 16:34:30 <Islacrusez> which is what's so amusing about it 16:35:19 <dihedral> then i am sure you can find it bey entering it as a google search term 16:37:10 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:39:31 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:40 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 16:52:49 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 16:52:51 <Roujin_> XeryusTC: good job... [/sarcasm] 16:54:06 <dihedral> ? 16:54:37 <Islacrusez> dihedral: I have already come across this key, I was merely wondering if anyone else had 16:56:30 <Roujin_> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=763440#p763440 <-- I meant this and following posts.. 16:58:04 <Sacro> sigh 16:58:08 <Sacro> I can't get TTD to run 16:59:44 <Islacrusez> what's the command to change your name on a server? 17:00:18 <Belugas> abracadabra, opus copus 17:00:18 <dihedral> Islacrusez, you can have a look at pages people have written at http://wiki.openttd.org 17:01:09 <Sacro> well which mod removed it? surely all are here 17:02:46 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:04:09 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [] 17:04:22 <dihedral> orudge, ?? 17:05:58 <Islacrusez> dihedral: not helpful 17:06:47 <Sacro> i doubt it 17:08:16 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d861bc2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:35 <Belugas> Islacrusez, have you tried "list_cmds" ? 17:09:13 <dihedral> Islacrusez, yes it is helpful! 17:09:16 <dihedral> it's all there 17:09:37 <dihedral> ignoring the fact that people spend hours on end to populate those pages, _that_ is not helpful 17:10:54 <Islacrusez> I want 1 piece of information, which having found it is literally 5 chars... 17:11:05 <Islacrusez> would take less than a second to type, more than 5 minutes to find 17:11:22 <dihedral> it would defeat the purpose of the wiki :-) 17:11:51 <Belugas> Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach hi how to fish, he'll be eating for the rest of his life 17:12:06 <dihedral> thank you Belugas :-) 17:12:23 <Islacrusez> teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat drinking beer all day 17:12:36 <Belugas> not if he's really hungry 17:12:49 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:57 <Islacrusez> §name 17:13:05 <Islacrusez> that's all I really wanted to know 17:13:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc5d2.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:13:51 <dihedral> well, congratulations for finding the answer yourself - you have done your first step to solving the rest of your upcoming problems 17:14:44 <Islacrusez> what I did not, and do not, need to know is how to install OTTD, how to play OTTD, how to run a server in OTTD, some 30 or so other commands for OTTD, and all the other information that is not relevant to me at this moment in time 17:15:20 <dihedral> underline "at this moment of time" 17:15:32 <dihedral> if you ever have that "moment", you will remember where to find the info 17:15:43 <dihedral> or, if you are asked by someone else (e.g. in the forums) 17:15:48 * planetmaker hugs Belugas for his wisdom of the day :) 17:15:56 <dihedral> wow - and all of a sudden you can also teach someone how to fish 17:16:28 * planetmaker goes installing MacOS on his shiny new hard disc 17:17:38 <Sacro> home tiem :D 17:17:41 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 17:18:30 *** m4rek [~m4@82-46-47-38.cable.ubr08.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:18:58 <m4rek> and my modem crashes for good measure 17:18:59 <m4rek> >.< 17:20:31 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:22:49 *** Islacrusez [~m4@82-46-47-38.cable.ubr08.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:43 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:26 <Belugas> tehre you go, a much more grateful user -> disma "Thank you for your wiki page. Helped a lot. :D " 17:26:36 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:46 <m4rek> when it takes more effort and time to send a user to a wiki page than it does to answer their query directly, you're doing something wrong 17:27:58 <Belugas> m4rek, do you really think all the answers could be answered like right away, from the top of our head??? 17:28:43 <Belugas> do yu thnk it's cool to have a manual when no one cares to read it just because it's easier to just ask?? 17:28:53 <orudge> dihedral? 17:28:56 <dihedral> m4rek, incorrect 17:28:56 <m4rek> no, that's what the wiki page is for - however queries with 1 word answers that everyone here probably knows... those I'd expect you to be able,a nd be willing to, answer 17:29:11 <dihedral> orudge, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3407 <- are links to that thread permitted? 17:29:25 <dihedral> another mod seems to remove links in posts that refer to this thread 17:29:37 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:49 <Belugas> m4rek, you are thinking wrong. there are lots of places of openttd that i do not have in memory 17:30:33 <dihedral> m4rek, just because it takes more time for me to document my work, and point my colleagues to my documentation does not mean that is a wrong approach 17:30:51 <planetmaker> how could one actually. It's a simple game at first, but with a lot of complexity and subtleties :) 17:31:03 <dihedral> contrary, it has, in the end, a higher efficiency than not doing so 17:31:03 <planetmaker> Which actually adds a lot to its fun :) 17:31:18 <dihedral> initial support time is high (so nothing for short term solution to support time) 17:31:29 <dihedral> but, you may not forget the big picture 17:31:52 <dihedral> the kid above will not stop using OpenTTD just because we pointed him to documentation and did not answer his question directly 17:32:07 <dihedral> but will remain a player, and next time look at the wiki for himself. 17:32:20 <dihedral> only then once he failed finding an answer will he come back here with more questions 17:32:37 <dihedral> that - my dear m4rek - will decrease support effort / time 17:32:38 <planetmaker> possibly he might learn a few things he didn't even thought to ask :) 17:32:49 <planetmaker> Happens to me a lot, when I actually read stuff like the wiki 17:32:58 <dihedral> aye 17:33:30 <Belugas> or reading the sources... 17:33:32 <Belugas> as well 17:35:19 <planetmaker> indeed :) 17:35:34 <m4rek> a perfectly reasonable strategy would be to answer the 1 word queries that you know the answer to, and direct users to the wiki should their query be too long to answer within a reasonable amount of effort 17:35:42 <planetmaker> I guess that's the advanced class, though, Belugas :) 17:36:16 <planetmaker> m4rek: as is the strategy of referring the "look and find" questions to the wiki :) 17:36:17 <Belugas> indded planetmaker :) 17:36:38 <planetmaker> And actually spending time finding answers for the good questions which are not easy and not easily covered by the wiki 17:36:45 <m4rek> look and find, or trawl and find? 17:37:00 <Belugas> m4rek, if you wish, you could see it from our point of view : simply answer to any one who ask for stuff on this channel 17:37:11 <Belugas> you'll see 17:37:11 <welshdragon> !seen brian 17:37:11 <planetmaker> m4rek: as easy as type the question you ask in the search form 17:37:18 <planetmaker> @seen brian 17:37:18 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: I have not seen brian. 17:37:24 <planetmaker> ^^ welshdragon :) 17:37:35 <welshdragon> @seen brian 17:37:35 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: I have not seen brian. 17:37:44 <welshdragon> @seen brian* 17:37:44 <DorpsGek> welshdragon: Brianetta was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 23 hours, 14 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Brianetta> Needs practice, but I assure you it gets easy 17:37:54 <welshdragon> oh great 17:38:03 <welshdragon> his server is really unstable 17:38:25 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:45 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:38:55 <planetmaker> you checked in #tycoon? 17:39:00 <welshdragon> yeah 17:39:21 <welshdragon> he last sopke 1d ago 17:39:22 <m4rek> arguing further would really only further exactly what it is I currently am angry at you for 17:40:11 <orudge> [17:29:08] <dihedral> orudge, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3407 <- are links to that thread permitted? <-- they are as far as I am concerned, at least 17:40:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:55 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.48.180] has joined #openttd 17:41:27 * m4rek slaps Chrill 17:43:04 <Prof_Frink> 3407! 17:43:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:06 <m4rek> I seriously dout I can make this company work now 17:43:09 <m4rek> doubt 17:43:18 <dihedral> orudge, would you then mind informing your moderators of that fact? 17:44:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:17 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CD1E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:44:23 <m4rek> anyone know how to make 30k with only 3k capital? 17:44:44 <Swallow> google for 'ponzi scheme' 17:44:54 <Belugas> easiest solution would be to steal :) 17:44:59 <m4rek> loan's maxed out, so you're up against interest as well 17:45:02 <orudge> dihedral: which moderators are changing things? 17:45:07 <orudge> I can look it up I guess if need be 17:45:15 <Rubidium> m4rek: ask Madov? 17:45:53 <Belugas> m4rek, yu could try to sell stuff that you do not need like right now 17:45:56 <Rubidium> uhm... Madoff 17:46:45 <m4rek> not enough to sell really... 17:47:05 <m4rek> my total return from sold items would come to less than the value of a train car, much less the loco 17:48:59 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CD1E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:06 <Belugas> well... hara kiri? 17:49:21 <Belugas> going road vehicles? 17:49:25 <Belugas> i like those... 17:50:11 <Rubidium> press Alt+1 if you've got a debug build 17:51:13 <m4rek> at this rate, I'll be able to buy a train by the end of 2000 17:51:20 <m4rek> current year: 1994 17:51:43 <Chrill> oh god 17:51:44 <Chrill> it's m4rek 17:52:54 <m4rek> oh great, and now I have competition about to set up the route I can't afford to start running 17:53:11 * m4rek blames dihedral 17:53:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i53873542.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:54:37 <petern> gruargh 17:54:54 <petern> dihedral: YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHY WE DO NOT WANT LINKS TO THAT THREAD IN THE OPENTTD SECTION 17:54:58 <m4rek> I have a train... with a single carriage 17:57:50 <m4rek> which is all it took... and now it pays for itself 17:58:01 <m4rek> and it pays for upgrades 17:58:09 <m4rek> and pretty much the entire company from now on 17:59:41 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CD1E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:31 <m4rek> however I fear the game will be over before I really get to start playing... 18:00:57 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:02:35 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:11:45 <Belugas> *sight and desperation and fatigue* 18:12:04 <Belugas> what's the point of ever trying to explain stuff??? 18:12:04 <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=41743 18:12:49 <Chrill> m4rek, lovely monologue :) 18:13:01 <planetmaker> Belugas: hopefully wisdom ;) 18:14:19 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:14:47 <planetmaker> Drop down won't work in the advanced settings window, though. There it needs another solution 18:20:41 <planetmaker> err that was wrong channel :P 18:22:07 <petern> old settings window? 18:22:32 *** worldemar [~world@62.106.119.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:14 <planetmaker> nvm petern ... it was meant not out of context like here 18:23:45 <planetmaker> current settings window has not drop down boxes. So a setting with multiple possible values needs a solution like path finder or so. 18:24:13 <planetmaker> It was referring to infrastructure sharing :) 18:24:40 <petern> oh 18:24:45 <petern> multistring value 18:25:57 <Swallow> It's more like a bitmask, but represented as multistring. 18:26:28 <petern> fun 18:26:50 *** Lisby [~Lisby@d40a9ee9.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:29 <glx> planetmaker: how is the font autoselect feature for OSX ? 18:30:28 <Rubidium> glx: a more appropriate question would be: how far is your xcode/OSX reinstall ;) 18:31:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15432 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:31:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-09 18:30:51 18:31:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 30 fixed by Ar4i (30) 18:31:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 fixed by arnaullv (3) 18:31:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 33 fixed by ThomasA (33) 18:31:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 5 fixed by habell (5) 18:31:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 118 fixed by WhiteRabbit (118) 18:31:59 <planetmaker> he... yeah. It's about 90% of the start DVD 18:32:13 <glx> so 90% left ;) 18:32:13 <planetmaker> which means I'll then need installing all the rest... 18:32:17 <planetmaker> yeah 18:32:54 <Sacro> i have osx and xcode 18:34:15 <planetmaker> Sacro: you have a solution to font selection on Mac? :) 18:34:38 <welshdragon> Sacro: they mentioned arses in my last lecture 18:38:39 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ===openttdcoop.org=== :tiuQ] 18:38:51 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:26 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:41:26 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: bye - http://www.openttdcoop.org] 18:41:26 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:32 *** Ammler [~Ammler@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:54 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:56 *** Ammler is now known as Guest602 18:42:34 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:35 *** Guest602 is now known as Ammler 18:42:54 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 18:47:02 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:47:43 <Sacro> planetmaker: eh? 18:49:08 <planetmaker> hm? 18:49:32 <planetmaker> Sacro: you randomly stated that you own OS-X and xcode. So, I figured you needed a job :P 18:49:43 <Sacro> i am also quite tired 18:49:48 <Sacro> what's the job? 18:50:10 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:19 <planetmaker> :) I tried to get openttd select fonts on macos 18:51:28 <planetmaker> ... before my hd went bye bye 18:51:46 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:29 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:50 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 18:58:10 <Sacro> hmm 18:58:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:58:50 <Wolf01> hello 18:59:43 <planetmaker> that said, I haven't forgotten or forgone the font issue. 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20:11:14 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CC7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:08 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:06 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 20:22:20 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:22:24 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:02 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:08 *** m4rek [~m4@82-46-47-38.cable.ubr08.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:03 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:27:15 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-133.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 20:27:20 *** Tech-Frog [JavaUser@cpc2-duns5-0-0-cust605.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:25 <Belugas> it has gone "miaoooowww" 20:27:33 <Tech-Frog> OMGIAD IS THIS THE IRC FOR TRANSPORT TYCOON 20:27:37 *** worldemar [~world@85.114.161.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:45 <Belugas> nope... 20:27:47 <Tech-Frog> Bugger 20:27:50 <Tech-Frog> So what is it? 20:28:07 *** anthony [~anthony@cpe-024-162-243-234.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:28:08 <Belugas> it is a channel for Open Transport Tycoon De Luxe 20:28:17 <Belugas> not the same thing 20:28:31 <Tech-Frog> Pfft, nit picking. 20:28:35 <Belugas> hehehehe 20:28:44 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: I thought it was openttd, where ttd doesn't stand for anything in patricular 20:28:46 <Belugas> welcome aboard ;) 20:28:50 <Tech-Frog> I gots a problem with it. 20:29:08 <Belugas> The Tiny Details? 20:29:23 <Belugas> Too Tolerant Dev? 20:29:29 <Tech-Frog> I've been playing for a while, I got to about 2020, and I noticed, I never got electric rails? Whats up with that? I enabled it and all that. 20:29:47 <glx> Belugas: it's OpenTTD ;) 20:30:00 <Belugas> true ho so true :D 20:30:01 <Tech-Frog> Wheres my electric rails :( 20:30:17 <glx> what climate? 20:30:23 <planetmaker> Tech-Frog: and what version 20:30:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15433 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15126): Content download progress bar was not centered properly. 20:30:33 <Tech-Frog> Erm, the deserty one, Ubuntu latest version 20:30:36 <Tech-Frog> Non-nightly 20:30:38 <Belugas> lucky enough, no grf required 20:30:46 <glx> desert doesn't have electric engines 20:30:51 <Tech-Frog> Oh 20:30:51 <Belugas> desert do not have electric 20:30:56 <Tech-Frog> Fail on me :( 20:30:58 <petern> well known fact 20:31:03 <petern> they don't have electricity 20:31:10 <Tech-Frog> But electric is the bestest! 20:31:11 <petern> the wires would metal 20:31:11 <petern> er 20:31:13 <petern> melt 20:31:43 <welshdragon> Suggestion: [8:31pm: Chrill: financial crisis should be present in OpenTTD 20:31:44 <welshdragon> [8:31pm] Chrill: 10% of the industries go down in 2008 20:31:44 <welshdragon> [8:31pm] Chrill: and some of the biggest most used in 2009 20:32:01 * welshdragon posts it on the forum too 20:32:14 <Tech-Frog> Whatistheinternet? 20:32:38 <Chrill> welshdragon, i dunno how serious I was :P 20:33:07 <Chrill> Tech-Frog, internet is a kickass reallife simulator for nerds with no social life :D 20:33:08 <frosch123> welshdragon: disable "stable economy" and watch 100% of the industries reduce production by 50% every few years 20:33:09 <Prof_Frink> Chrill: Umm, set your economy to "fluctuating" 20:33:21 <Chrill> Prof_Frink, it was welshdragon who said it, not meee 20:33:34 <Prof_Frink> Because that's what the economy is. Fluct. 20:33:41 <anthony> i love beaners 20:33:45 <Tech-Frog> I thought the internet was a giant porn store? 20:33:45 <Prof_Frink> Chrill: Yeah, but you said it to welshdragon. 20:33:49 <Chrill> no 20:33:53 <NukeBuster> what happened to the chat colours ingame? 20:34:03 <Chrill> I said it and went *Blame ford and GM* to a Jim Starluck in #autopilot 20:34:04 <welshdragon> he said it openly on autopilot 20:34:14 <anthony> niggers are so much fun to kill! 20:34:19 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*anthony@*.nc.res.rr.com] by petern 20:34:19 *** anthony was kicked from #openttd by petern [anthony] 20:34:20 *** mode/#openttd [+nt] by ChanServ 20:34:21 <Tech-Frog> How rude 20:34:39 <Chrill> I hope he was talking GTA or something 20:34:48 <Tech-Frog> Doubt it 20:34:51 <Chrill> Or, he's just as bad as orudge :( 20:34:52 <glx> too bad my script doesn't handle this single word 20:34:53 <Tech-Frog> Obvious troll is obvious 20:35:10 <petern> FURY OF THE FURRIES 20:35:22 <Tech-Frog> Oh god furry. 20:35:32 <Tech-Frog> What has been seen cannot be unseen. 20:35:34 <petern> oh wait 20:35:37 <petern> that was the wrong window :D 20:35:47 <petern> except that was a game 20:35:54 <petern> with little, er, furry balls 20:35:59 <Tech-Frog> Wha? 20:36:01 <petern> kind of like the dust puppy from userfriendly 20:36:09 <Tech-Frog> I think I better leave right now. 20:36:25 <Prof_Frink> Tech-Frog: Just don't go to the *actual* Transport Tycoon channel. 20:36:28 <petern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fury_of_the_Furries 20:36:30 <Chrill> ewhen petern pops in, leaving is the reasonable move 20:36:31 <Tech-Frog> Why not? 20:36:39 <Prof_Frink> 'cause that's where that comment should've gone. 20:36:42 <Chrill> #tycoon is worse :P 20:36:52 <Tech-Frog> ./join #tycoon 20:37:08 <Prof_Frink> Silly Tech-Frog. IRC is not shell script! 20:37:48 <Tech-Frog> I like cake 20:37:50 <Tech-Frog> Do you? 20:37:53 <petern> i like pie 20:37:59 <Tech-Frog> What kind? 20:38:08 <Rubidium> rhubarb crumble? 20:38:13 <petern> god yes 20:38:19 <petern> although not a pie 20:38:30 <Tech-Frog> I like steak pie. 20:38:38 <Tech-Frog> But I do not like green eggs and ham 20:39:01 <Belugas> i love frog legs 20:39:05 <Belugas> with garlic 20:39:26 <Tech-Frog> I love babies leges. 20:39:31 <petern> i love garlic legs, with frogs 20:39:42 <petern> awww, i have a v11 form 20:40:12 <Rubidium> that's early; we haven't reached v1 yet ;) 20:40:37 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1CBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:44 <petern> that's what SHE said 20:41:21 <Prof_Frink> I prefer v12 packages. 20:41:33 <Prof_Frink> They tend to have shinyshiny in. 20:42:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-4.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:43:48 <Chrill> [21:42] <Chrill> dare i enter server again? 20:43:49 <Chrill> [21:42] <sarah_pilot> Jim Starluck: I've been going steady for a bit now 20:43:49 <Chrill> [21:43] <sarah_pilot> Jim Starluck has left the game (desync error) 20:43:52 <Chrill> hm 20:43:55 <Chrill> twas going for tycoon 20:44:49 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1CBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:45:46 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.44.17] has joined #openttd 21:05:59 *** Tech-Frog [JavaUser@cpc2-duns5-0-0-cust605.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 21:09:51 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:17:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc5d2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15434 /trunk/src/ (42 files): -Codechange: bit of type safety for the DC_xxx flags. 21:20:58 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 21:22:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923e2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:21 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:22:35 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a52.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:22:49 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:46 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i53873542.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:24:39 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:27:40 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:33 <petern> only a few files 21:30:31 <petern> station_cmd.cpp:1015 21:30:38 <petern> dreaded performance warning :o 21:31:25 <Rubidium> will it ever stop? 21:32:21 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: N8] 21:33:48 <Rubidium> probably not before people stop playing the miniin 21:34:22 <Roest> that miniin was awesome 21:34:24 <Rubidium> (r6403) 21:34:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15435 /extra/pngcodec/pngcodec.cpp: [pngcodec] -Fix: pngcodec is not called pngprops 21:34:49 <planetmaker> lool. 9k revisions ago... Once upon a time in a revision far, far away... 21:35:42 *** Guest624 [~god@cpe-024-162-243-234.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:35:58 <Guest624> niggers 21:35:59 <Guest624> on 21:36:00 <Guest624> fore 21:36:03 <Guest624> fire 21:36:06 <Guest624> god damnit 21:36:07 <dih> Rubidium, ^ 21:36:13 <planetmaker> petern: 21:36:14 <Rubidium> @op Roest 21:36:21 <Guest624> black 21:36:22 <Guest624> jews 21:36:24 <Guest624> are 21:36:25 <Rubidium> @op Rubidium 21:36:25 <Guest624> fun 21:36:26 <Guest624> to 21:36:28 <Guest624> kill 21:36:31 <Guest624> nIgGeR 21:36:32 * Prof_Frink pokes petern 21:36:32 <glx> !kban Guest624 21:36:36 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*god@*.nc.res.rr.com] by petern 21:36:36 *** Guest624 was kicked from #openttd by petern [Guest624] 21:36:37 <dih> @ 21:36:41 <Rubidium> @deop Roest 21:36:46 <Rubidium> stoopid bot 21:36:51 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 21:36:57 <dih> Roest, you were toooo slow 21:37:04 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@*.nc.res.rr.com] by petern 21:37:08 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:37:10 <Roest> :p 21:37:16 <planetmaker> same guy as before. 21:37:53 <dih> yeah - mentioned him to oftc ;-) 21:38:28 <glx> added !kban to my command_the_bot stuff 21:38:36 <dih> ah 21:38:44 <planetmaker> with highlight on nig---ger? 21:38:53 <Rubidium> the bot is kinda dead I think 21:38:58 <glx> @op 21:39:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 21:39:02 <glx> @deop 21:39:03 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 21:39:03 <Sacro> @op 21:39:05 <Sacro> :( 21:39:06 <glx> no it works 21:39:07 <dih> haha 21:39:09 <Sacro> i want my ops back 21:39:09 <dih> @whoami 21:39:09 <DorpsGek> dih: I don't recognize you. 21:39:12 <dih> oh.... 21:39:18 <Sacro> the one hour i had them I didn't notice 21:39:33 <Rubidium> oh... it doesn't know me anymore 21:39:56 <planetmaker> Rubidium: it happens, if you log off. You need to re-identify with that bot. 21:40:12 <dih> @whoami 21:40:12 <DorpsGek> dih: dih 21:40:15 <dih> \o/ 21:40:36 <dih> planetmaker, identification can be done with the hostmask ;-) 21:40:47 <dih> Rubidium, identify, and then run @hostmask add 21:41:41 <planetmaker> dih: that's good to know :) 21:41:42 <planetmaker> thx 21:42:09 <dih> hehe 21:42:21 <dih> works nicely if you always have the same hostmask 21:42:25 <planetmaker> will it then still allow other hostmasks? 21:42:26 <petern> and if you're wondering what this song is leading toooooo 21:42:32 <petern> # i wanna make it with you 21:42:37 <dih> ... 21:42:46 <dih> planetmaker, you can add more than one hostmask 21:42:51 <dih> or still identify with your password 21:43:10 <planetmaker> k :) 21:46:41 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:08 *** Jango [~daniel@78-86-166-80.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:48:44 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:48:58 <Belugas> no, petern, you won't! 21:49:47 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:50:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:51:38 <planetmaker> :D 21:51:43 *** Jango [~daniel@78-86-166-80.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 21:51:49 <Wolf01> back! 21:52:30 <planetmaker> dih: you're cheating yourself twice into the social network graph :P 21:52:37 <planetmaker> wb Wolf01 :) 21:52:44 <dih> why is that? 21:53:03 <dih> i dont have to cheat myself into anything 21:53:12 <dih> i just belong 21:53:41 <planetmaker> but not twice :) 21:53:44 <dih> :-P 21:53:52 <dih> oh LOL 21:53:52 <dih> sorry 21:53:57 <planetmaker> :P 21:54:03 <planetmaker> ego and alter ego :P 21:54:05 *** dih is now known as dihedral 21:54:08 <dihedral> how's that 21:54:16 <planetmaker> :) 21:54:48 <dihedral> the clever thing picked up on it 21:55:33 * dihedral misses petern's relationship with DorpsGek showing 21:55:33 <planetmaker> :) 21:55:50 <Wolf01> what I'm missing? 21:56:02 <Belugas> i don't know...fingers? 21:56:02 *** sufe [~sufe@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:12 <dihedral> my dad misses a leg :-P 21:56:18 <Belugas> oops... 21:56:24 <Belugas> foot in the mouth 21:56:26 <Belugas> kida 21:56:27 <Belugas> lol 21:56:42 <dihedral> it happened like 30 years ago - so i dont know him any different 21:56:42 <planetmaker> he... you need to be very... athletic to do so :P 21:56:55 <dihedral> which does though make for some very black humor if you grow up like that :-P 21:57:47 <dihedral> planetmaker, no - not really - he weighs more with just one leg than any other 'normal built' guy with 2 legs 21:57:55 <dihedral> and a leg is like 15-20 Kg 21:57:57 *** hufuv [~hufuv@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 21:58:18 <dihedral> that is such a cheater 21:59:30 *** hufuv [~hufuv@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:50 *** jucofi [~jucofi@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 22:00:36 *** jucofi [~jucofi@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:23 *** pety [~pety@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 22:02:03 *** pety [~pety@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:01 <Wolf01> lol I missed a nice ban... it could have been better with a roudhouse-kick© :D 22:05:03 * Wolf01 waits for a dictionary-slap 22:06:03 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1CBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:23 <Sacro> *roundhouse 22:06:28 * Roest slaps Wolf01 with a dictionary 22:06:36 <Wolf01> \o/ victory! 22:07:06 <Rubidium> Wolf01: would the Oxford dictionary of English suffice? 22:07:16 <Roest> that should hurt a bit 22:07:18 *** dobi [~dobi@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 22:07:26 <Wolf01> they are all the same, the heaviest 22:08:01 *** dobi [~dobi@193.43.249.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:25 <Rubidium> mine has smileys in it; not all dictionaries have that 22:08:30 *** lomugeke [~lomugeke@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 22:09:54 <Roest> my english dictionary is from 1988, i doubt it has them 22:10:03 <Chrill> My english dictionary is from the 70s 22:10:06 <Chrill> beat that 22:10:22 <Wolf01> just a question: do you see the ©->(C) symbol? or I missed something again on utf8? 22:10:42 <Zuu> I see the copyright symbol. 22:10:47 <Rubidium> the trees for my English dictionary were probably planted in the 60s 22:10:52 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:23 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:11:27 <Wolf01> (I messed up with the keyboard layout editor, so now I have some nice ctrl+alt+any key doing a symbol) 22:11:43 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1CBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 22:11:59 <Zuu> Wolf01: The MS keyboard layout generator? 22:12:03 <Wolf01> yeah 22:12:06 <dihedral> Rubidium, slap him with the full british britanica :-D 22:12:33 <Roest> i have a brockhaus 22:12:51 <dihedral> <Chrill> beat that <- yes you are the best, hurrays and thumbs up! you win 22:13:01 <Zuu> Never tried to use it myself. I use a downloaded MS keyboard layout, and have used a registry keyboard layout editor to fix some things on my laptop keyboard. 22:13:06 <Chrill> WOO! 22:13:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.165.97] has joined #openttd 22:13:14 <Wolf01> `Ž¬~©®²³ <- just some of them I recall 22:13:16 * Chrill dances with the admins 22:13:59 <Wolf01> others are all the caps accented letters I might need to use in my weird language 22:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "Improved URL. Don't take the piss." <- lmao :p 22:15:49 <Zuu> Might be a good idea for me to make a modification of my current layout to add back the euro symbol that it has removed, at least if Sweden ever get the Euro :) 22:17:20 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:39 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:20:25 <planetmaker> hehe :) They should :) - and if only for my convenience :P 22:20:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:52 <planetmaker> anyway, good night folks! 22:22:49 *** karuta [~dunno@p54BB6BBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: <Please insert stupid quote here>] 22:24:46 <Zuu> night pm 22:24:49 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:26:50 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 22:43:44 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:03 <Nite_Owl> 'Allo 'Allo 22:46:10 <Rubidium> it is I 22:46:11 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:53 <Nite_Owl> leClair 22:49:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15436 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Return index of station spec within station class as a return parameter of GetCustomStationSpecByGrf(), as the index is already known. Saves on an extra loop and an extern... 22:49:58 <Nite_Owl> Oops - Leclerc 22:51:03 <petern> chocolate eclair? 22:51:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:51:30 <Nite_Owl> no thanks I am on a diet 22:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> a mice diet? 22:53:56 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a52.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e85.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:55:08 <Nite_Owl> frozen chocolate mouse on a stick 22:56:52 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:52 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 23:03:37 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9CC7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:21:16 <Wolf01> 'night 23:21:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:27:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest636 23:27:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:31:01 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:29 *** Guest636 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:43 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:48 *** Perfk [~Perfk@0x55509325.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 23:45:23 <Perfk> Hey all :), was trying to join some online servers, but I can't get in because, eiter, wrong version (running Open TTD 0.6.3) and if not that then, it says that I don't have the GRF's... is there a "this is the GRF you need to play online" pack that I can download? 23:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, at www.openttdcoop.org 23:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a "GRF Pack" 23:47:21 <Nite_Owl> beat me to it 23:47:37 <Perfk> sweet :) thanks 23:47:37 <Prof_Frink> Perfk: You'll like a new feature in the next release. 23:47:40 <Ammler> Perfk: download first the right ottd version, then you will get a contend download for the newgrfs. 23:49:40 <welshdragon> Prof_Frink: aurtomatic download of new grfs? 23:50:36 <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: Well, it ain't automatic, but it is bananatasic. 23:51:05 * Sacro sighs 23:51:06 <Ammler> fruitastic 23:51:06 * welshdragon sniffs arounfd for the 0.6.4/0/7/0 beta 23:51:13 <welshdragon> oh, hello Sacro 23:51:25 * Sacro sits alone in his basket 23:51:54 <Ammler> 0.6.4 isn't enough ;-) 23:52:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]