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02:50:42 <Yexo> don't give special orders, just give orders as if there was no depot at all 02:51:24 <arex\> oh, of course 02:51:26 <arex\> doh 02:52:16 *** davis_ [~malte@p5B28DD51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:53:22 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 02:59:43 *** davis- [~malte@p5B28F21E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:22 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-30-34.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 03:08:46 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:10 *** arex\ [arex_@158.36.150.63] has quit [] 03:12:21 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:18:11 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 03:23:42 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:28:15 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet606.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:15 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:38:36 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:43:46 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:44:26 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:15 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3FCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:16 <Felicitus> hiwdy 03:45:19 <Felicitus> urx 03:45:21 <Felicitus> howdy 03:45:35 <Felicitus> bananas gives me "Unexpected error while uploading." when i try to upload my ai :( 04:02:48 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:04:10 *** Felicitus [~timo@p3EE3FCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:09:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.158] has joined #openttd 04:28:05 *** davis_ [~malte@p5B28DD51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:26 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:37 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:34:35 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.17] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:51 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:55:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.158] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:58:10 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.11] has joined #openttd 07:04:32 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:44 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21:43 <Forked> dumdidum.. mornin 07:26:30 <MrFrans> Morning 07:27:39 <MrFrans> for whomever it may concern the wiki doesn't load. 07:28:59 * Forked can confirm that 07:29:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:27 <Yexo> good morning 07:29:41 <db48x> hello all 07:42:28 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:46:02 *** Felicitus [~Felicitus@static.106.93.46.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 07:46:09 <Felicitus> howdy :) 07:46:13 <Felicitus> Yexo, i just read your pm 07:46:17 <Yexo> hello Felicitus 07:46:19 <Yexo> good :) 07:46:29 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:47:07 <Felicitus> well, what I modified in the rail pathfinder so far is multiplier support and building on tiles which you won - because right now, the pathfinder ignores all tiles which are already built 07:47:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B839B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:47:47 <Felicitus> but a nice thing would be if the pathfinder would support dual- and quad rails, but i'm not sure how that would work 07:47:48 <Yexo> yes, I have support for that in admiralai too, but how do you determine which tiles you use and which you don't? 07:48:28 <Yexo> ie you don't want a trainline going south and a trainline going north on the same track, right? 07:48:30 <Felicitus> well, i don't let the pathfinder cross tiles 07:48:38 <Felicitus> erm cross roads 07:48:42 <Felicitus> wait a sec 07:49:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82525.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:49:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:49:33 <Felicitus> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=106057 07:50:41 <Felicitus> if you take the terminus station for example, and if the path finder plans a route for the right track which immediately makes a turn left (south->north line), it was unable to build the left line even tough it could build 2 tracks on that tile 07:51:10 <Yexo> ah, now I get what you mean :) 07:51:39 <Yexo> so forget what I said before, as that has nothing to do with this 07:51:51 <Felicitus> there were many times when the builder blocked itself :) 07:52:04 <Yexo> in admiralai I prevent that by disallowing some tiles 07:52:13 <Yexo> let me upload a picture 07:53:20 <Felicitus> ok :) 07:53:29 <Felicitus> take your time, i have to win a game on kurt's:) 07:54:28 <Felicitus> (i lost the last game because that guy build a statue maybe 1 min earlier than i could :( 07:55:19 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/ignored.png <- here you are 07:55:55 <Yexo> this is far from a perfect solution though, it blocks itself sometimes, but less often then without blocking those tiles 07:56:19 <Felicitus> well the check for that is pretty simple 07:56:21 <Yexo> for the route the other way a block of four tiles before the entrance is forbidden of course 07:56:32 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-167.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 07:57:06 <Felicitus> it just checks which line it would build (e.g. NW_SW) and then checks if the existing tile is sane (e.g. NE_SE). if that's true, it will be added to the tiles 07:59:45 <Yexo> do you have a diff for that against the current pathfinder? 08:00:04 <Felicitus> hmm no not yet, but i can prepare one 08:00:15 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 08:00:20 <Felicitus> but warning: the function which retrieves the track it would build is pretty ugly 08:00:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has joined #openttd 08:00:44 <Felicitus> a bunch of if checks, i'm not sure how to solve that better 08:00:44 <Yexo> I can always rewrite it :) 08:01:01 <Yexo> but I don't think there is a clean way to write that function 08:01:11 <Felicitus> yes, i might be good in OO architecture, but I'm a big looser in binary operations 08:01:56 <Yexo> for me the design (so the OO architecture) is the hard part most of the time 08:02:05 <Felicitus> :) 08:02:36 <Felicitus> the funny thing is, that when i was younger and had no clue about OO, i was writing the craziest stuff with bit shifting, and/or etc 08:04:21 <Felicitus> well actually we would only need something like AIRail::BuildRail, but which doesnt build the actual track, but returns which track it would build (e.g. RAILTRACK_NW_SW) 08:05:17 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:05:28 <Yexo> it's not that hard to implement that function in squirrel 08:05:55 <Felicitus> yes, but implementing alot of if checks doesn't feel like the right solution:) 08:06:25 <Yexo> so moving those if statements to c++ code and exposing an extra api function is the right solution? 08:07:01 <Felicitus> i don't know, but i would be interested how it is solved in c++ 08:07:16 <Felicitus> i mean, some funky and/or statements maybe? ;) 08:07:20 <Yexo> it probably would be solved the same way you've done now in squirrel :) 08:07:44 <Felicitus> for real? 08:07:47 <Felicitus> :) 08:08:05 <Felicitus> well it actually calculates the differences and then has like 6 nested if checks 08:08:08 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:08:48 <Felicitus> hmm Yexo, i bundled the modified library in the 0.2-release, if you want you can have a look yourself. can't make a diff right now, because i'm on vista 08:08:53 <Felicitus> and dont have the sources here 08:09:12 <Yexo> ok, no problem 08:10:00 <Felicitus> i spent so much time with the AI in the last few days (over 180k of code!), that its now time to do something productive...as soon as i've won the game on kurt's! :) 08:16:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:17:34 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has joined #openttd 08:18:23 <Felicitus> oh by the way, i tried to upload the ai to bananas, but it said something like "unhandled error occured" 08:18:54 <Yexo> I can't help you with that, sorry 08:19:02 <Yexo> you'll need to ask Rubidium 08:19:09 <Felicitus> okay, will do that when he's around 08:19:34 <Yexo> just highlight him and he'll read it when he's back, that's easier 08:19:57 <Felicitus> Rubidium: I recieve an "unhandled error occured" when uploading my AI, can you have a look at that? 08:20:01 <Yexo> but make sure to include a link to the file you're trying to upload 08:20:30 <Felicitus> hmm that's the harder part 08:20:36 <Felicitus> seems that there's no way around rebooting :) 08:21:08 <Felicitus> any wishes for diff options? 08:21:19 <Yexo> nope 08:21:30 <Yexo> I'll probably merge it by hand anyway 08:21:46 <Felicitus> okay 08:21:49 <Felicitus> well heh 08:22:01 <Felicitus> i extended the class earlier to have it clean for bananas 08:22:12 <Felicitus> completely forgot that 08:22:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:32 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 08:22:58 <Felicitus> should i just send you the file with the overridden class? because as of now, there are no changes in your class 08:23:07 <Yexo> that's fine too 08:23:11 <Felicitus> okay, will do that 08:23:15 <Felicitus> see you in a few minutes 08:23:22 <Yexo> whatever makes it easy to see your changes is ok :) 08:23:43 <Felicitus> i make a few comments where i added things 08:23:55 <Felicitus> and notice to myself: run irssi in screen next time 08:23:59 *** Felicitus [~Felicitus@static.106.93.46.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:24:11 <De_ghosty> 180k lines? 08:24:29 <Yexo> 180k bytes 08:24:32 <Forked> 180kilobytes of code? 08:25:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:25:18 <Yexo> which is not rare for an AI 08:25:33 <De_ghosty> kinda short 08:25:34 <Yexo> nocab is 280kb, admiralai 340kb 08:25:45 <De_ghosty> who count by kb? 08:25:47 <Yexo> wrightai only 40kb 08:26:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has joined #openttd 08:32:30 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:50 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has joined #openttd 08:35:58 *** Felicitus [~Felicitus@static.106.93.46.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openttd 08:36:01 <Felicitus> ok back 08:36:15 <Felicitus> Rubidium: http://www.timohummel.com/temp/FelicitusAI.1.tar is the file, it gives me " * Unexpected error while uploading." 08:36:49 <Felicitus> Yexo: it's the file library/rail/pathfinder.nut in the tar archive 08:36:54 <Felicitus> brb reboot 08:37:07 <Yexo> ok, thanks 08:38:51 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has joined #openttd 08:38:59 <Felicitus> back 08:40:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:13 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:32 <Felicitus> oh nice, eclipse PDT 2.1 supports php 5.3 namespaces 08:45:30 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:01 <flowOver> pdt is nice. i'm giving aptanaphp a shot right now. will give pdt 2 a go after i've had a run on this 08:48:15 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:45 <Felicitus> yes, i was almost near to use zend studio for 30 days because there was virtually no editor which supports namespaces, but the milestone supports it 08:49:39 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 08:53:09 <planetmaker> [09:24] <De_ghosty> 180k lines? <--- kind A LOT more than you invest in bug reports 08:53:16 <planetmaker> good morning all :) 08:54:12 <flowOver> i've grown accustomed to using registrys instead of namespaces. i'll wait till they get all the kinks worked out of them first 08:54:20 <Yexo> morning planetmaker 08:54:27 <flowOver> php is all about workarounds 08:55:50 <Felicitus> morning planetmaker 08:55:54 <Felicitus> what does De_ghosty mean? 08:55:56 <dihedral> oi 08:55:59 <dihedral> \o 08:56:08 <Felicitus> morning dihedral 08:56:13 <dihedral> :-) 08:56:46 <planetmaker> Felicitus: I just read back a bit... can I now - with the new libraries use your AI without installing your custom ones? 08:57:07 <dihedral> i would love to too 08:57:09 <Felicitus> planetmaker: if you pick the tar i just posted, yes 08:57:16 <planetmaker> nice :) 08:57:19 <dihedral> but i have work to do :-P 08:57:25 <dihedral> hello planetmaker 08:57:26 <Felicitus> http://www.timohummel.com/temp/FelicitusAI.1.tar 08:57:40 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:57:42 <Felicitus> that one works witout a custom library, and will hopefully be uploaded to bananas later 08:57:51 <planetmaker> :) 08:58:00 <Felicitus> ah screw it 08:58:06 <planetmaker> hm? 08:58:11 <Felicitus> not that i worked a few days in linux i miss so many things 08:58:25 <Felicitus> on vista...like virtual desktops, and window snapping 08:58:35 <planetmaker> hehe 08:59:00 <Felicitus> there are many apps which can make a virtual desktop, but WHY dont they extend the window's menu so i can move windows to another workspace or make it sticky 08:59:33 <Felicitus> ok i guess i will reboot again :) 08:59:38 <flowOver> i believe the nvidia drivers offer these kind of tools for the desktop 08:59:58 <planetmaker> at least the desktops afair. But long time ago :P 09:02:16 <Felicitus> back 09:02:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:31 <Felicitus> flowOver: i was sick of trying, and finally rebooted into linux 09:15:33 <dihedral> Felicitus: unable to execute task DelayedTask:IndustryConnectionTask 09:15:44 <dihedral> 0:100 09:16:03 <dihedral> i am on a 64x64 map 09:16:16 <Forked> dihedral: hmm, what did I do that would cause neko to start up again? :\ 09:16:53 <Felicitus> dihedral: that's okay, it always says that when a task is in the list, but not allowed to run yet 09:16:54 <Forked> I haven't really paid any attention to the person 09:17:40 <Felicitus> dihedral: does the AI still run? or did it give another error? 09:17:41 <dihedral> Forked, you created a patch bundle for someone else who asked nicely :-D 09:17:55 <dihedral> had an issue with save() 09:18:09 <dihedral> i'll fire it up again 09:18:12 <Forked> I included more than was asked for I think.. also it's something I wanted for myself 09:18:28 <Forked> I just happend to find the three patches here and there for the same rev.. anyone could have done that :\ 09:19:36 <Yexo> anyone could have done that :\ <- expect for that neko guy, because "his computer is not good enough" 09:20:07 <Forked> didn't he have some overclocked 2,8GHz or something? 09:20:39 <Yexo> something like that 09:21:02 <Eddi|zuHause> he didn't even understand the hint of dihedral that the overclocking was probably the root of his problems... 09:21:21 * db48x yawns 09:21:34 <dihedral> he did not even get the hint that youtube gets his system overheated 09:21:43 <Felicitus> hehe 09:21:46 <dihedral> i wonder how he ever gets to play a single game 09:21:51 <db48x> why do aircraft default to 1/4 speed? 09:22:01 <dihedral> we should tell him to play openttd in fast forward mode and wait for the lovely bug reports 09:22:18 <dihedral> db48x, you want them faster? 09:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> db48x: hysterical raisins 09:23:03 <db48x> is it just to balance the low costs compared to trains? 09:23:13 <planetmaker> exaclty 09:23:18 <Yexo> db48x: no, it's because it was that way in TTD 09:23:26 <Yexo> or maybe it's also to balance the costs 09:23:37 <planetmaker> maybe both is valid, Yexo ? 09:23:43 <db48x> yes, but did they do that in TTD to balance the costs :) 09:23:45 <Yexo> anyway, you can change the their speed somewhere in the advanced settings window 09:23:52 <db48x> yea 09:23:52 <Yexo> planetmaker: true :) 09:24:02 <dihedral> db48x, did TTD allow you to build bridges over diagonal roads? 09:24:07 <dihedral> eh... tracks 09:24:08 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAE8f37.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:11 <db48x> no clue 09:24:17 <Yexo> it didn't 09:24:23 <dihedral> or did ttd allow you to load other grf's? 09:24:27 <db48x> doesn't surprise me 09:24:30 <Yexo> nope 09:24:34 <db48x> but this is slightly different 09:24:46 <dihedral> then just see this as another feature that openttd has and ttd did not 09:25:00 <db48x> those are new features added since then. the speed reduction seems to have been present in TTD and then OpenTTD allowed you to remove it 09:25:01 <dihedral> (balancing the costs) 09:25:21 <Yexo> s/allowed/allows/ 09:25:25 <dihedral> pbs also comes to mind 09:25:32 <dihedral> and pre signals 09:25:44 <dihedral> oh - and the huge ass airports 09:25:46 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:25:56 <dihedral> am i missing something? 09:26:09 <db48x> yes, my point 09:26:33 <dihedral> openttd != ttd, though they do strive to let you play with how ttd used to be 09:26:46 <Yexo> dihedral: probably quite a lot, though I can't point at the correct wiki page right now :p 09:26:53 <dihedral> hihi 09:26:56 <db48x> all those take work to develop, so they dropped them in favor of releasing when they did. deciding to slow planes down is the opposite 09:26:58 <flowOver> the one i've loved since the start is build on slopes and all that ease of building changes 09:27:06 <Eddi|zuHause> does anybody use the "disable electric rails" switch? 09:27:19 <dihedral> well, Yexo, you are not the one looking for the answer, so pointing to wiki.openttd.org does the job :-D 09:27:45 <dihedral> db48x, what do you mean? 09:27:49 <dihedral> sorry - i dont quite follow 09:28:47 <db48x> some features are nice to have but don't get included in the 1.0 release because you can't implement everything 09:29:00 <dihedral> that aint the sole reason 09:29:09 <db48x> sure, but it often just comes down to that 09:29:14 <dihedral> and 1.0 is not even being talked about 09:29:19 <dihedral> no 09:29:31 <db48x> TTD == 1.0 09:29:37 <db48x> 1.0 == any given release 09:29:57 <dihedral> then you should say ttd or any release but 1.0 is a precise version number 09:30:03 <db48x> fair enough 09:30:06 <dihedral> and without a name it lets me assume you are talking about openttd 09:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> 95% of the features that OpenTTD introduced were never even considered back when TTD was released 09:30:46 <dihedral> CS had a 'vision' (as marjacq would say) 09:30:49 <db48x> anyway, TTD divided all aircraft speeds by 4, which means that they took the time to consider whether it would be a good idea 09:31:03 <dihedral> they? 09:31:05 <dihedral> CS did 09:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and CS also stated that TTDP/OpenTTD divert very far from his "vision" 09:31:17 <dihedral> CS coded what he had in mind 09:31:17 <db48x> yes, they 09:31:23 <db48x> right 09:31:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.158] has joined #openttd 09:31:46 <db48x> so what I want to know is why he decided airplanes should move 4 times slower than other craft 09:31:57 <dihedral> call marjacq 09:32:14 <db48x> that eliminates the main selling point of aircraft 09:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> db48x: and we're supposed to be mindreaders? 09:32:20 <DASPRiD> dihedral, btw, what's the status on that secret project which was abandonded? 09:32:26 <dihedral> i doubt you will get an answer other than 'Chris Sawyer had a vision which he programmed into Trasport Tycoon' 09:32:30 <db48x> Eddi|zuHause: obviously 09:32:43 <Yexo> DASPRiD: can you be any more vague? :p 09:32:49 <dihedral> DASPRiD, bananas.openttd.org 09:32:53 <DASPRiD> Yexo, just a bit :> 09:33:12 <db48x> dihedral: well, I already did, which is for balance between the earning potential of aircraft and trains 09:33:14 <dihedral> Yexo, vague for you, not for me :-P 09:33:32 <DASPRiD> dihedral, bah, downloads just linked externally? :/ 09:33:41 <dihedral> ?? 09:33:42 <DASPRiD> so no dl system behind it? 09:33:50 <dihedral> have you looked at the game recently? 09:34:12 <DASPRiD> no :x 09:34:17 <dihedral> sheesh - where have you been? 09:34:19 <DASPRiD> only on openttdcoop 09:34:30 <dihedral> content download (grep the svn loogs for that) 09:34:49 <dihedral> db48x, i dont get what you are after 09:34:55 <dihedral> knowing what CS intentions were? 09:34:59 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:35:03 <dihedral> or why OpenTTD is different 09:35:06 <DASPRiD> dihedral, sad that we couldnt finish it 09:35:11 <Felicitus> who's CS? 09:35:13 <dihedral> DASPRiD, no not really 09:35:14 <db48x> yes, but I'll settle for knowing what other people suspect his intentions were 09:35:17 <DASPRiD> dihedral, why? 09:35:17 <dihedral> Chris Sawyer 09:35:22 <Felicitus> ah 09:35:31 <dihedral> db48x, no decent person is going to do that 09:35:44 <dihedral> they either know or they dont 09:35:45 <Felicitus> sorry didnt follow the conversation, what did cs do? 09:35:59 <Yexo> Felicitus: it's was the person who made TTD 09:36:00 <dihedral> if you want an intervew with CS, call his agency (they are in london) but i doubt you'll get one 09:36:00 <db48x> Felicitus: he wrote TTD, basically 09:36:03 * dihedral already tried 09:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> db48x: how should we decide if it was for "gamebalance" reasons, or because it caused integer overflows? 09:36:35 <Felicitus> yes, uhm, its like "why did felicitus decide to write an AI" :) 09:36:39 <flowOver> he also made the decision that planes should move 1/4 speed of everything else. his intentions are in question 09:36:43 <dihedral> or if it was Micropose that said they are to fast and we will not sell it like that 09:37:14 <dihedral> Felicitus, talking of which, it's not doing anything in a 64x64 map 09:37:25 <Yexo> Felicitus: only without you being here, and we guessing why you wrote one :p 09:37:27 <db48x> Eddi|zuHause: I was aware that it was a question for which no answer may be readily available before I asked the question 09:37:32 * DASPRiD pokes dihedral with a query 09:37:54 <Felicitus> Yexo: i do not want to manually connect everything on a 2048x2048 map. thats the reason :P 09:38:07 <Felicitus> dihedral: which openttd version? 09:38:13 <Eddi|zuHause> db48x: then why do you insist on getting an answer, even after you got three? 09:38:30 <flowOver> maybe it's something about accounting for altitude & circumferences.... es 09:38:57 <db48x> Eddi|zuHause: I didn't. dihedral and I got onto a side track about the existential nature of features in general 09:39:20 <dihedral> Felicitus, 15557 09:39:35 <Felicitus> hmm that should work 09:39:43 <Felicitus> do you get any other messages in the log? 09:40:16 <fonsinchen> http://wiki.openttd.org/ is infinitely slow 09:40:21 <dihedral> could not find a sane placement spot for x 09:40:22 <Yexo> Felicitus: it there a reason you claim people need at least r15553? r15553 was a translation update, so it's very unlikely your AI depends on that revision 09:40:32 <db48x> very nearly infinite, at any rate 09:40:52 <Felicitus> Yexo: thats a number i know that it works with it :) when did you put the patch into svn? 09:40:58 <dihedral> i give up with the ai for now 09:41:01 <Yexo> Felicitus: which patch? 09:41:13 <Felicitus> Yexo: waypoint building and power API call 09:41:52 <fonsinchen> So, is there actually documentation on how to implement a configuration option in the wiki or can I safely stop trying to load it? 09:41:56 <Yexo> r15530 (after that both worked) 09:42:09 <Felicitus> okay, then i claim r55530 in the future :) 09:42:26 <Yexo> fonsinchen: the wiki doesn't work currently 09:42:29 <Yexo> what are you after? 09:42:37 <Felicitus> Yexo: me? 09:42:42 <Yexo> no, fonsinchen 09:42:52 <fonsinchen> I want a configuration option for the time frame of my moving average for capacities of links 09:43:03 <fonsinchen> and I was hoping to find documentation in the wiki 09:43:17 <fonsinchen> nevermind, I'll search somewhere else. 09:43:25 <Yexo> if there is any, it's outdated by now 09:43:37 <Yexo> just adding a new settings is pretty easy 09:43:54 <Yexo> 3 places you need to change: settings_base.h, settings.cpp and settings_gui.cpp 09:44:05 <fonsinchen> I have done that before and it was like two hours searching and 2 minutes implementing 09:44:20 <dihedral> grep 09:44:24 <fonsinchen> I'll document it when I've rediscovered it. 09:44:32 <fonsinchen> thanks for the hint 09:44:54 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:45:12 <Ammler> morning all, Yexo, do you still have a up2date cygwin environment? 09:45:20 <Yexo> morning Ammler 09:45:33 <Yexo> unfortunatly not, I broke it some time ago, and haven't been able to fix it yet 09:45:51 <fonsinchen> there is no settings_base.h 09:45:52 <Yexo> before that I was able to compile noai succesfully with squirrel though 09:45:54 <Ammler> since noai? 09:46:01 <Yexo> fonsinchen: it's settings_type.h, sorry 09:46:02 <Ammler> oh 09:46:18 <Yexo> Ammler: before the trunk merge, but with squirrel 09:46:32 <petern> aircraft speed is clearly a balance issue 09:46:48 <Ammler> dunno, I had some tries with help of this channels, but failed ;-) 09:46:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:47:13 <Felicitus> dihedral: you can send the map to me, so i can have a look why it fails 09:47:17 <Yexo> Ammler: I'll try reinstalling cygwin now 09:47:51 <dihedral> Felicitus, it failed on every 64x64 map i tried 09:48:15 <Rubidium> Yexo/Felicitus: TrueBrain wrote the website part of bananas, so uploading that doesn't work should be fixed by him as you and me have about equal knowledge of that part 09:48:16 <dihedral> it had plans on what to do, but nothing ever happened 09:48:55 <Yexo> Rubidium: ok :) 09:49:03 <Yexo> in any case you have more access to the server than I have 09:49:29 <dihedral> ^^ 09:49:39 <Felicitus> dihedral: oh yes, of course, because the AI doesnt do terraforming right now, it fails because it cant place the huge stations :) 09:49:51 <dihedral> LOL 09:49:56 <dihedral> ok 09:50:00 <dihedral> HAHA 09:50:01 <dihedral> cute :-) 09:50:11 <Felicitus> yes, terraforming is not implemented yet 09:50:14 <Rubidium> Yexo: true, though you won't be happy to admin or quickfix WT2 ;) 09:50:23 <Felicitus> but one thing is odd - it should use a 4 tile station, but it doesnt 09:50:30 <dihedral> it was a mountanious map :-P 09:50:39 <Yexo> Rubidium: I wasn't saying I want more acces, I'm happy with the way it's now :) 09:51:07 <Yexo> did you just fix the wiki / bugs.openttd.org? 09:51:15 <dihedral> Rubidium, i thought TB was working on WT3 09:51:49 <Felicitus> dihedral: yes, and i am stupid. because currently it doesn't upgrade stations, the smallest station footprint is 13x2 squares 09:52:00 <Felicitus> so it will never work this time on 64x64 maps 09:52:10 <Rubidium> was maybe, but nothing more than a few lines have ever come out 09:55:14 <dihedral> and he was so strong about it with 'just a few days' 09:55:18 <dihedral> pft 09:55:40 <dihedral> but he wants any new wt in python 09:55:50 <dihedral> which was why i never even got started on a php one 09:55:58 <Rubidium> 'just a few days' is an euphemism for 'most likely not this year' 09:56:18 <dihedral> usually not with TB ;-) 09:56:33 <dihedral> and he usually subsitutes 'a few' with an integer 09:56:36 <dihedral> < 5 09:56:36 <Rubidium> dihedral: we got a php one now and it kinda suck w.r.t. memory wastage 09:56:48 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 09:56:49 <dihedral> i know - i have the code 09:56:54 <dihedral> :-P 09:57:57 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@77.166.163.108] has joined #openttd 09:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause> well, celestar also said that cargodest would take "just a few days" :p 09:58:21 <dihedral> hehe 09:58:34 <dihedral> and then he disappeared after a few days and was never seen again 09:58:36 <dihedral> :-P 09:59:05 <Rubidium> he didn't disappear after a few days 09:59:59 <dihedral> he actually did do a good job with what is there now 10:00:13 <dihedral> just i assume syncing it will take a huge amount of time and be pretty tedious 10:02:26 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:29 <Rubidium> he started only 6 months ago and did quite regular commits for the following 4 months 10:03:02 <Eddi|zuHause> 6 months? i thought it was less than that 10:04:21 <Rubidium> that's the first non-trunk commit I could find in the cargodest hg 10:06:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, probably my sense of time is thoroughly screwed 10:08:42 <dihedral> "Hey, I wrote it (the "original" rewrite at least)" <- the original rewrite lol 10:10:03 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@77.166.163.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:01 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 10:25:57 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:59 <dihedral> LUADuck, http://forums.jokerice.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1523 <- looks like that was shot in the own foot :-P 10:37:38 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:38:28 <Felicitus> damn, the scrollback buffer is lost :( 10:38:42 <Felicitus> Rubidium: who was the guy whom i should ask about the bananas problem? 10:38:53 <Rubidium> TrueBrain 10:39:26 <Xaroth> banananananana :o 10:39:44 <Felicitus> ok :) 10:40:27 <Rubidium> I think he's on vacation this week though 10:45:17 <Felicitus> well, i'm not in a hurry 10:45:33 *** worldemar [~world@85.114.185.250] has joined #openttd 10:50:50 <dihedral> he's snowboarding, yes 10:56:43 <Yexo> Ammler: I just reinstalled cygwin, but I can only confirm cygwin no longer compiles openttd 10:56:55 <Yexo> I wonder how I had it working before though 10:57:02 <Felicitus> damn, i need that thing up on bananas, call him in the holidays and get him back here! (and if nobody watches, i put on a disguise and go snowboarding as him instead) :) 11:00:02 <dihedral> Felicitus, what's the issue? 11:00:06 <dihedral> upload not working? 11:00:15 <Yexo> Felicitus: what program do you use to make the tar? 11:00:21 <Felicitus> Yexo: tar 11:00:38 <Felicitus> well, earlier it complained that my tar contains a license txt file, so i guess the mechanis on the server works 11:00:48 <Felicitus> dihedral: it works, but it complains about an unexcepted error 11:01:09 <Felicitus> Yexo: tar cfv FelicitusAI.1.tar FelicitusAI.1/ 11:01:21 <Yexo> Felicitus: that should be ok 11:01:39 <Felicitus> yep 11:02:43 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:17 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has joined #openttd 11:07:12 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-134.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:08:13 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:26 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-134.upce.cz] has quit [] 11:13:31 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-134.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:13:45 <Ammler> Yexo: I am not able to download gcc for mingw, either. 11:14:10 <Yexo> Ammler: I'm using msvc currently 11:14:14 <Yexo> never used mingw 11:17:01 <Ammler> Yexo: nvm, thank you anyway. 11:18:37 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:17 *** nightkhaos [829ff824@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:21:25 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-134.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 11:22:18 <dihedral> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070503 <- :-D 11:22:29 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has joined #openttd 11:22:40 <Forked> how can you be a tester and not being able to compile.. :\ 11:22:58 <dihedral> Forked, :-D 11:23:02 <dihedral> i wondered the same thing 11:23:08 <DASPRiD> shouldn't everyone be able to type ./configure && make && make install ? 11:23:16 <Forked> you don't even have to do the last one 11:23:23 <Forked> since it ends up in bin/ 11:23:23 <DASPRiD> ah right 11:23:55 * Forked prints that UF strip 11:24:05 <Forked> (I work at an ISP) 11:24:11 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=767199#p767199 <- now that is just awesome 11:24:12 <DASPRiD> sure, on ubuntu / debian, the tester first has do type sudo apt-get install build-deps ;) 11:24:50 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:24:54 <dihedral> the one kiddo would probably also run sudo svn up.... wait..... 11:26:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179057158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:28:07 <Forked> first thing I do in ubuntu is sudo su - && passwd 11:28:25 <petern> sudo -s 11:28:29 <Forked> (well the passwd happens after, but.. to get it on one line and then ruin it by explaining) 11:29:13 <Xaroth> sudo -i 11:29:19 <Xaroth> gives a nice root console 11:29:26 <Ammler> default install without pw? 11:29:27 <DASPRiD> Forked, enabling root account sucks hard :P 11:29:36 <Forked> ye well, I suck :) 11:29:43 <DASPRiD> ok then thats fine :P 11:30:08 <Xaroth> as long as you have sudo configured properly you don't ever need to change the root password 11:30:10 <petern> first thing i do in debian is install sudo ;) 11:30:31 <Xaroth> so you can just make it some impossible to remember rediculously long password 11:30:36 <Xaroth> and stick to sudo :) 11:31:16 <petern> and obviously ssh is restricted to keys and no root login 11:31:45 <petern> although keys *and* password would be better 11:31:49 <petern> must investigate if that's possible 11:31:55 <Xaroth> keys with passwords :) 11:32:12 <petern> yes but the password is still on the wrong side 11:32:12 <Xaroth> it's either keys or plain passwords 11:32:26 <Xaroth> er, yes 11:32:32 <Xaroth> but one still requires the user password to sudo :) 11:32:35 <Xaroth> bbl food 11:35:27 *** Mek [~marijn@93.157.1.37] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:46 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:32 <fonsinchen> I put a std::map<StationID, LinkStat> into GoodsEntry and I want to save/load that. Is that a bad idea in itself? 11:51:00 *** nightkhaos [829ff824@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:56:02 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:56 *** worldemar [~world@85.114.185.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:59 * Forked discovers NoAI for the first time 12:03:09 <Forked> I'm so gonna try them. :D 12:06:56 <dihedral> <petern> first thing i do in debian is install sudo ;) <- i install vim :-P 12:08:06 *** flow0ver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:03 <Xaroth> dihedral: vim is pure evil :/ 12:12:51 <dihedral> no, you are 12:12:58 <fonsinchen> If I want to save something as "REF", like for example RoadStops, does it have to be a pool item or can I circumvent that or is that a bad idea? 12:13:55 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:58 <Yexo> that depends on what it is 12:14:09 <fonsinchen> It's the link capacities 12:14:10 <Yexo> is there a good reason not to use the pool system? 12:14:23 * Yexo has no idea what "the link capacities" are/is 12:14:38 <fonsinchen> I have a std::map<StationID, LinkStat> in GoodsEntry 12:14:48 <fonsinchen> I want to save/load that 12:15:07 <Yexo> what is LinkStat? 12:15:11 <Yexo> is that a pointer? 12:15:41 <fonsinchen> LinkStat is a struct 12:16:02 <fonsinchen> with two values - uint capacity; uint usage 12:16:08 <Yexo> so why do you need to store a ref exactly? 12:16:26 <Yexo> looks like you could just store "StationID, capacity, usage" 12:16:35 <fonsinchen> I'd like to do that 12:16:37 <fonsinchen> but how? 12:17:13 <fonsinchen> the only thing I see there is SLE_CONDLST and then either individual values like SLE_INT32 or REFs 12:17:57 <Yexo> 1) create a saveload struct with 1 entry (StationID) 12:18:09 <Yexo> 2) Create another saveload struct with 2 entries (capacity, usage) 12:18:59 <Yexo> 3) in the save function, iterate over your map and call SlObject twice (first with the stationid, then with the LinkStat struct 12:19:41 <fonsinchen> I guess I should reference it somehow in the SaveLoad struct for GoodsEntry? 12:20:33 <Yexo> call the new save function from within the goodsentry save function, likewise for load 12:20:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:50 <Yexo> just make sure you know where the data is stored, so you can load it again 12:22:03 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.74] has joined #openttd 12:26:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:28:36 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.232.244] has joined #openttd 12:30:16 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:32:47 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:34:48 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:38:12 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-237-66.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:37 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-214-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:40:58 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:41 <dihedral> quack! 12:58:38 <Ammler> mÀh 13:01:49 <dihedral> uh, have a link for you Ammler 13:02:23 <dihedral> http://forums.jokerice.co.uk/showthread.php?p=16207 13:03:26 <dihedral> the upper post :P 13:05:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:46 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 13:06:25 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:06:36 <Ammler> what is this jokerice for? 13:09:48 <Rubidium> story Heath's Oscar? 13:09:57 <Rubidium> s/story/storing/ 13:10:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAE8f37.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:04 <dihedral> Location: /dev/bash <- bash: /dev/bash: No such file or directory 13:11:14 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 13:11:36 <Rubidium> ln /bin/dash /dev/bash ;) 13:12:12 <dihedral> mkdir /dev ? 13:12:36 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-105.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:12:42 <dihedral> and /bin/dash ? 13:12:43 <dihedral> :-P 13:12:49 *** flow0ver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:50 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:55 <Rubidium> your OS doesn't have dash? 13:12:58 <Rubidium> what a lousy OS ;) 13:14:32 <DASPRiD> dasprid@dasprid-desktop:~$ which dash 13:14:32 <DASPRiD> /bin/dash 13:14:34 <DASPRiD> \o/ 13:15:09 <dihedral> i do, but why would i link dash to /deb/bash? :-P 13:15:43 <Rubidium> cause dash prevents bash-isms 13:15:53 <DASPRiD> bash bashes your dash 13:18:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179057158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 13:20:24 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5ac07440.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:25:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15565 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix [FS#2675]: dependency information wasn't requested after the content state was reset causing the dependencies not always being selected (and thus downloaded) automatically. 13:27:18 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179057158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:30:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179057158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 13:31:00 <petern> /dev/bash? 13:32:05 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:32:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:32:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15566 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Change: reintroduce space as valid method of selecting 'content' as long as the filter box is not focused. Enter will also work when the filter box is focused. 13:37:26 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm88.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:38:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:55 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:39:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAE8f37.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:42:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:20 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:48:17 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:22 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:48:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:49:17 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:40 <Nathan> Does anybody have a list of vehicles and what years they become available ? 13:50:09 <KenjiE20> default's are on the wiki 13:50:11 <Rubidium> the wiki? 13:50:55 <Rubidium> but then... the year vehicles become available differs slightly between each run of OpenTTD 13:58:57 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 13:59:56 <Nathan> Could you link me, on wiki, I can only find the anmes of the vehicles, not what year they are issued. 14:00:06 <Nathan> An average date would be fine :) 14:01:38 <KenjiE20> Nathan; Look in the OTTD Manual orange box, the heading 'vehicles' is what you're after 14:03:06 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:03:27 <Nathan> Ohhh, i didnt notice the link to the "conparrison table" Thankyou 14:15:41 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:47 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:27:07 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:10 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:33:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:37:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179057158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:43:16 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.124.190] has joined #openttd 14:43:20 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-105.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:47:46 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.232.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:46 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 14:51:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.232] has joined #openttd 14:56:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:39 *** Nathan [~Nathan@5ac07440.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:08:33 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:08:38 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 15:11:33 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:14:10 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:34 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-173.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:42:16 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@BAE8f37.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:37 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet517.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:15 <Yexo> planetmaker: around? 15:47:29 <Forked> meep meep 15:50:17 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:06:25 <dihedral> planetmaker is round yes, :-D 16:06:44 <SmatZ> nah, he's slim :) 16:08:31 <planetmaker> uhm... :) 16:08:46 <planetmaker> Been slimmer once :D 16:09:05 <planetmaker> What's up, Yexo? 16:09:34 <Yexo> I've a patch for you to test for FS#2674 16:09:42 <Yexo> at least, in a moment, after I fixed another bug :p 16:09:58 <planetmaker> that was the signal nearly-non-issue, right? 16:10:02 <SmatZ> http://www.mps.mpg.de/solar-system-school/students/borstel.html if that's you :) 16:10:07 <planetmaker> yes 16:11:59 * planetmaker looks forward to that patch. But give me...two hours. I'll have to finish some text here first 16:14:07 <dihedral> hehe 16:14:26 <dihedral> hihi 'planetshaker' :-D 16:14:37 <dihedral> not stirred :-P 16:15:28 <planetmaker> oh, I rather stirr the constituents than shake them :P 16:19:39 <Rubidium> "Will it blend? Planetmaker" 16:19:50 <Rubidium> or is that too rigurous for stirring? 16:19:51 <planetmaker> hu? 16:20:00 <planetmaker> :D 16:20:07 <SmatZ> It blends! 16:20:11 <Rubidium> planetmaker: you don't know will it blend? 16:20:32 <SmatZ> only Chuck Norris doesn't blend 16:20:33 *** SmatZ was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [SmatZ] 16:20:42 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:02 <planetmaker> :D 16:21:15 <planetmaker> I guess the answer is: partially :) 16:22:50 <SmatZ> Rubidium: you learned how to kick? :-p 16:23:37 <glx> SmatZ: it's my script :) 16:23:55 <SmatZ> glx: it kicks for what? 16:24:08 <glx> chuck n. 16:24:16 <SmatZ> hahaha :) 16:24:43 <Forked> if that was a manual kick it was the best response time I've ever seen :) 16:24:58 <dihedral> SmatZ, chuck norris is the blender 16:24:58 *** dihedral was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [dihedral] 16:25:01 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:04 <SmatZ> :-D 16:25:04 <Rubidium> @seen dihedral 16:25:04 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: dihedral was last seen in #openttd 6 seconds ago: <dihedral> SmatZ, chuck norris is the blender 16:25:12 <SmatZ> :-P 16:25:21 <Forked> nice try :p 16:25:25 <SmatZ> yeah :) 16:25:39 <glx> [17:25:10] <DorpsGek> Error: I cowardly refuse to kick myself. 16:25:47 <SmatZ> :-) 16:26:01 <dihedral> hehe 16:26:13 <SmatZ> glx: why do you have kick for that? is there a kicklist somewhere? :-p 16:26:15 <dihedral> chuck 16:26:17 <dihedral> norris 16:26:18 <dihedral> :-D 16:26:31 <dihedral> you use a regex? 16:26:34 <dihedral> :-P 16:26:42 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 16:26:43 * SmatZ thinks about zero-width space and other unicode tricks :) 16:26:50 <dihedral> yep 16:27:00 <glx> if ($str.matchnocase(chuck*norris, )) { <-- yes 16:27:17 <dihedral> norris, chuck <- that then works 16:27:25 <Forked> hm.. what about chuck norris? 16:27:28 * Forked won 16:27:35 <SmatZ> congratulations, Forked :) 16:27:37 <dihedral> :-P 16:27:51 <Forked> oldest trick in the book when it comes to triggers like that 16:27:53 *** Forked was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you won] 16:27:57 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 16:28:00 <Forked> (manual rejoin on kick) 16:28:11 <glx> spam 16:28:33 <dihedral> write a DorpsGek alias :-P 16:28:57 <Forked> shutting up now.. getting back to work. 16:30:08 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:11 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37CDAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:57 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:16 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 16:31:27 <petern> how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? 16:31:52 <Belugas> a chunk 16:31:53 <el_en> 2.3 inches. 16:32:08 <Belugas> nonon... a 9 inch 16:32:12 <Belugas> and nails 16:32:25 <petern> would a woodchuck chuck chuck norris? 16:32:25 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:32:29 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Quit: mikl] 16:32:32 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:32:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:32:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:51 <petern> so why is chuck norris a banned phrase? 16:32:51 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:32:53 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:32:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:33:11 <petern> i like chuck norris films 16:33:11 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:33:12 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:33:15 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:33:19 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-173.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:33:35 <SmatZ> :) 16:33:46 <Singaporekid> nhuck corris 16:33:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:34:33 <Sacro> chuck norris? 16:34:33 *** Sacro was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Sacro] 16:34:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:34:37 <Sacro> wtf 16:34:56 <Singaporekid> norris 16:34:59 <Belugas> chunk morris 16:35:02 <Singaporekid> norris chuck? 16:35:11 <el_en> texas ranger 16:35:16 <Singaporekid> win 16:35:34 <petern> chuck norris 16:35:34 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:35:40 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:35:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:35:41 <petern> chuck norris 16:35:41 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:35:43 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:35:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:35:48 <petern> chuck norris 16:35:48 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:35:53 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:35:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:35:59 <Forked> openttd is a great game.. thank you all for creating it :-) 16:36:01 <petern> chuck norris 16:36:01 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:36:03 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:36:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:36:14 <petern> chuck norris 16:36:14 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:36:16 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:36:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:36:21 <petern> chuck norris 16:36:21 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:36:26 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:36:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:36:27 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Yexo] 16:36:33 <Forked> now how did this regexp ignore work again.. 16:36:34 <el_en> petern is stuck in an infinite loop 16:36:38 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:36:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:36:41 <petern> chuck norris 16:36:41 *** petern was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [petern] 16:36:43 *** petern [~petern@84.246.155.74] has joined #openttd 16:36:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 16:37:03 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*truebrain@openttd.org] by petern 16:37:03 *** DorpsGek was kicked from #openttd by petern [DorpsGek] 16:37:06 <petern> chuck norirs 16:37:07 <petern> chuck norris 16:37:09 <petern> :D 16:37:12 *** chucknorris [~notme@cm88.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:37:19 * chucknorris 16:37:21 <SmatZ> hello chucknorris 16:37:31 <chucknorris> I'm Chuck Norris. 16:37:41 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*truebrain@openttd.org] by petern 16:37:51 *** chucknorris [~notme@cm88.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 16:38:16 <Singaporekid> Oh. 16:38:27 <petern> sorry 'kid 16:39:41 <orudge> well. 16:39:52 <orudge> !seen TrueBrain 16:39:54 <orudge> .seen TrueBrain 16:39:57 <orudge> @seen TrueBrain 16:40:03 <orudge> hmm, maybe not 16:40:04 <orudge> oh, wait 16:40:11 <orudge> is that using the bot you just kicked, eh? 16:40:13 <el_en> 404 DorpsGek 16:42:34 <Forked> hm 16:42:39 <planetmaker> gosh... you're really re-playing Battlestar Galactica here :P Humans vs. bot ;) 16:42:56 <planetmaker> log looks like a slaughter... 16:42:57 <Forked> didn't need regexp.. -pattern was enough 16:43:30 <Yexo> s/at/e/ :p 16:43:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E2E9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:49 <Forked> hah =p 16:44:02 <petern> great 16:44:19 <petern> i can have my own super sekret developer channel right here now that everyone's ignored me :D 16:44:54 <glx> stupid bot, doesn't reply to /invite 16:45:54 <petern> # danger mouse 16:46:02 <petern> # do do, do do, do do, do doooo 16:50:59 <orudge> do not. 16:52:14 *** Zorn [~zorn@g224109187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:23 <db48x> sync buffers are the new thing 17:07:01 <Forked> dihedral: still no talking from the neko dude.. is he still on the forum? :p 17:07:35 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37CB89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:58 <Felicitus> good night :) 17:10:59 *** Felicitus [~Felicitus@static.106.93.46.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:11:14 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:22 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:13:46 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37CDAB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:11 <welshdragon> hmm 17:15:42 * welshdragon wondres which devs don't like Warrington Bank Quay 17:15:47 <welshdragon> erm 17:15:51 <welshdragon> damn paste 17:16:19 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=41918&p=767289#p767289 17:17:08 <Yexo> have you seen any reply from a dev in that topic? 17:19:12 <welshdragon> no, nut from what the last poster said he must have talked to somebody 17:19:28 <Yexo> you're assuming way too much 17:19:44 <Yexo> from what the last poster said he might as well have taken a shot in the dark 17:20:15 <welshdragon> lol 17:20:24 <Yexo> but if you want to know, I don't like that feature 17:20:39 <welshdragon> what would you suggest? 17:21:00 <Yexo> simply not adding restrictive signals. :p 17:21:16 <Forked> buy a slower engine :\ 17:21:31 <Belugas> rumors are quite prone to be taken for cash on forums... 17:21:33 <welshdragon> Forked: erm no 17:21:35 <Belugas> or hard fact 17:21:39 <Yexo> imo signals that behave different for different trains don't fit in the game 17:21:48 <Belugas> and Tony is no relly connected to the devs in any way... 17:22:01 <welshdragon> ok, ty Belugas 17:22:42 <welshdragon> Yexo: but the patch has a simiklar feature (iirc) 17:22:49 <welshdragon> (similar) 17:22:55 <Yexo> welshdragon: so what? 17:23:00 <Yexo> openttd != ttdpatch 17:23:05 <Rubidium> ofcourse "I don't need it and thus don't intend to code it" ends up with "the devs don't like it" 17:23:22 <Forked> I see alot of use of the word "realistic" as argument in that thread.. 17:23:39 <glx> that's a good reason to not add it ;) 17:23:52 <Belugas> and it's so boring to comment on forums... most of the time, it's an escalation that always turnes around the fact there is not reason (and i reject all been given by a dev) to not do this or that feature. 17:23:55 <Belugas> that;s boring 17:24:15 <welshdragon> glx: but some people like realsim 17:24:19 <Belugas> yeah... i love those reasons... it had realism 17:24:31 <Belugas> fuck them hard with a ten foot poll! 17:24:35 <Forked> so create or play a game that is trying to be realistic :) 17:24:42 <Belugas> it's a gaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmeeeeeeuuuuuhh! 17:24:47 <Belugas> it's NOT REALITY!!!! 17:25:10 <petern> setting speed limits could have advantageous effects on traffic flow, possibly 17:25:25 <petern> dunno though 17:25:37 <Singaporekid> Remember the old miniin with PBS and yellow signals? It was great. 17:25:48 <petern> yes 17:25:55 <Singaporekid> Or the hackykid stuff build. 17:25:55 <petern> especially when your trains crashed for no reason :D 17:26:01 <petern> stuff! 17:26:03 <Singaporekid> Mine? 17:26:06 <KingJ> It could, if a train sees a red signal ahead it could slow down slightly so that it reaches the signal as soon as it turns green, rather than having to stop and accelerate again 17:26:07 <petern> everyone's 17:26:10 <Yexo> hmm, that thread was about speed signals. I thought it was about "routing restrictions", or "programmable signals", whatever you call that feature 17:26:14 <petern> i've still got a stuff patch somewhere :D 17:26:43 <Forked> I remember trains crashing for no reason in the big maps patch by bilbo .. that was fun after building a gigantic network =) 17:26:44 <petern> signals are signals 17:27:42 <petern> would make more sense to do that sort restriction in the order list 17:28:10 <Belugas> agreed 17:28:28 <Belugas> but i guess people are influenced byt the way of the Patch 17:29:36 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=41918&p=767289#p767289 how about waypoints? 17:30:06 <petern> well 17:30:18 <petern> if it involves waypoints then you can put speed limits in the orders 17:30:52 <welshdragon> petern: some of us are lazy and want the game to do it ourselves 17:30:59 <welshdragon> *itself 17:31:25 <petern> persuasive argument that 17:31:57 <welshdragon> ...yes 17:32:58 <welshdragon> Waypoints don't do much (apart from assistance with routing) so adding something to them would be easier than signals 17:34:39 <Belugas> funny... craving for realism fur assigning functionnalities to objects that in a real life would not have o_O 17:34:58 <welshdragon> i'm moving away from realism 17:35:02 <Belugas> good :) 17:35:07 <Belugas> I applause 17:35:16 <Belugas> see the game for what it is : a game! 17:35:26 <Forked> and unlike real life.. you can have fun in a game :D 17:35:33 <welshdragon> i thought it would be easier to implement on waypoint 17:36:13 <Belugas> easiness is one thing. usefullness and logic is another, i'd say 17:36:32 <Belugas> i'd rather see something new for the task than a reuse 17:36:56 <Belugas> i think that Richk brough up the notion of speed post or something like that 17:37:26 <Swallow> You mean the routemarkers patch? 17:37:27 <petern> speed post would make sense, it doesn't interfere with waypoints or orders, and, erm, happens to be a bit more realistic ;) 17:37:45 <welshdragon> (that r word) 17:37:48 <welshdragon> i agree 17:38:00 <Belugas> this use of the forbidden word is accepted 17:38:07 <welshdragon> is there a thread on the forums? 17:38:16 <Belugas> heheh 17:38:17 <petern> er, well you made one 17:38:24 <Belugas> is there a search on the forums? 17:38:28 <petern> now write the patch :D 17:38:37 <welshdragon> petern: i'm no coder 17:38:43 <welshdragon> you however are 17:38:53 <petern> *shrug* 17:38:53 <welshdragon> i'll pay you in cookies 17:38:59 <petern> you could have a go 17:39:09 <Belugas> SOMEONE TO THE RESCUE OF welshdragon!! 17:39:26 <welshdragon> Belugas wants cookies? 17:39:38 <petern> cookies made of beer 17:39:48 <planetmaker> Belugas: are you sure, you're interested in that (the rescue)? 17:40:02 * petern wasn't a coder once 17:40:13 * planetmaker was a child once 17:40:14 <petern> i don't think anyone was born coding 17:40:32 <petern> maybe donald knuth 17:40:39 <planetmaker> :D 17:40:56 <planetmaker> latex also not always works predictable... 17:40:59 <Belugas> i ain't not going to work on dat 17:41:19 <planetmaker> time for dinnere :) Catch you later. 17:41:24 <welshdragon> hmm 17:42:00 * welshdragon has never done coding, and doubt he will be able to do it 17:42:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:42:29 <petern> of course you won't, if you never try 17:42:30 <welshdragon> i may have dyslexia, so it would be very hard 17:42:50 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37CB89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 17:43:47 <petern> right 17:44:01 <petern> i'm going home 17:46:39 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:52 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:48:13 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-219.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 17:52:42 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:53:02 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc47.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:10 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-219.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:00 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:59:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 18:00:48 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:04:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.232] has joined #openttd 18:05:05 <Belugas> pffff.... distorded echo of a converstation.. 18:05:14 <Belugas> "I can see why the devs don't like it (it's making it more realistic)" 18:05:22 <Belugas> Noo... not exactly... 18:06:15 <SmatZ> hehe 18:06:33 <dihedral> :-D 18:06:45 <dihedral> btw Belugas i love what you have written on realism in OpenTTD 18:08:46 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 18:09:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:12:15 <Belugas> thanks 18:12:51 <Forked> £1 dino is using my binary 18:12:54 <Forked> shame on him 18:15:50 <dihedral> we should spike some binaries on the forums :-P 18:17:35 <dihedral> [18:54] <welshdragon> [18:42:30] i may have dyslexia, so it would be very hard <- does that mean you just comment and dont read? 18:17:47 <dihedral> i recall some guy stating something like that about his disability 18:17:50 <welshdragon> dihedral: both 18:18:34 <dihedral> tell you something, i have that disability too, however i dont moan about because of it :-P 18:18:41 <dihedral> + i read all i can get 18:18:58 <dihedral> and i use google 18:20:31 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-219.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 18:21:44 * petern ponders LUA 18:21:55 <planetmaker> Yexo: you had something to test for me? 18:22:03 <planetmaker> quack 18:22:15 <dihedral> quack quack 18:22:37 <dihedral> petern, the language or the nick in the list? :-P 18:23:12 <planetmaker> :P 18:24:15 *** ecke [~ecke@pc154-219.upce.cz] has quit [] 18:24:42 <petern> quack? 18:24:54 <planetmaker> the sound of a duck ;) 18:24:56 <Yexo> planetmaker: yes, http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/fs2674.diff 18:25:07 <petern> ah 18:25:08 <petern> ducks? 18:25:09 <petern> hmm 18:25:18 <Yexo> SmatZ: I haven't been able to get the convert button working as we discussed 18:25:19 * Prof_Frink ducks 18:25:36 * Yexo is away for 30 min 18:26:54 <dihedral> Prof_Frink, now do a duck with lua :-D 18:27:22 * Prof_Frink does a platypus 18:28:39 <planetmaker> :) 18:28:52 <planetmaker> Yexo: works as I imagined it should work :) 18:28:56 <glx> we are looking for OSX 10.3.9 users 18:29:07 <glx> or people with access to it 18:30:06 * planetmaker wonders wether apple will give away a 10.3 version for free 18:30:38 <planetmaker> and whether it's worth to write an e-mail to them about it. 18:30:47 <glx> planetmaker: it still requires the correct hardware 18:30:49 <Prof_Frink> Apple? Free? 18:30:49 <welshdragon> glx: sadly i have 10.5.6 18:30:58 <Prof_Frink> Bahahahahahahaha! 18:31:09 <planetmaker> glx: hm... no intel, I guess... you're right. 18:31:59 <Sacro> could pearpc it 18:32:35 <glx> Sacro: we prefer real stuff to test :) 18:32:56 <Bjarni> I considered the pearpc solution too, but it's far from ideal 18:34:14 * planetmaker thinks that that problem won't be solved by pearpcs. 18:37:19 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9F535.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:56 <Ammler> is it possible to disable that external part for squirrel so you can checkout it self? 18:39:18 <Ammler> (because it uses wrong rev) 18:39:22 <planetmaker> ? 18:39:55 <SmatZ> Ammler: I don't know about better solution than cd src/3rdparty/squirrel && svn up -r xxx 18:40:09 <Ammler> after checkout? 18:40:18 <Ammler> hmm, try that 18:40:23 <SmatZ> yes 18:40:34 <SmatZ> though there is a problem when you downgrade to pre-15027 18:40:53 <SmatZ> and then you want to upgrade to r15027+, you have to rm -R src/3rdparty 18:41:00 <SmatZ> or maybe there is a better solution... 18:41:18 <glx> just svn up in 3rdparty too 18:42:09 <SmatZ> svn: Failed to add directory 'src/script': an unversioned directory of the same name already exists 18:42:18 <SmatZ> hmm it seems there are more problems with that :( 18:42:28 <glx> TB failed the merge 18:42:35 <SmatZ> like, svn up <downgrade> doesn't remove directories... or so 18:43:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:49:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:52:30 <Ammler> hmm, I am not able to handle squirrel :-( 18:54:20 <Roest> qick little bastards 18:54:24 <Roest> +u 18:56:30 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:05 <dihedral> Ammler, what's the prob? 18:57:25 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:37 <Ammler> I need to begin with clean trunk, first... 18:57:41 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:51 <planetmaker> always a good idea :) 18:57:57 <dihedral> what do you want to do? 18:58:07 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:58:11 <Ammler> dihedral: I like to compile r15549 18:58:24 <dihedral> and where is the issue? 18:58:37 <Ammler> I will tell you, maybe it was something lese... 19:04:29 <Ammler> looks like trunk is working 19:06:04 <Ammler> next try now on mingw :-) 19:07:28 <welshdragon> how can i view the train's calling points in the train window (r15480), or is that a non supported feature?\ 19:07:46 <Ammler> ctrl-? 19:08:55 <Ammler> (the questionmark is just because I am not sure, what you mean, else you should try ctrl-click) 19:10:10 <welshdragon> Ammler: tried.... hmmm 19:10:26 * welshdragon searches the wiki 19:10:56 *** Sedontane [~sedontane@autodns-194-80-154-57.staffs.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:11:15 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:14:35 <Sedontane> could someone point me towards the road stations and one way roads code in the source cos I searched for 2 hours earlier and couldnt find it. Thanks 19:16:53 <Yexo> Sedontane: I'd expect both in road_cmd.cpp 19:17:51 <Yexo> also station_base.h and road_map.h may be of interest 19:18:17 <planetmaker> Yexo: that diff looks quite ok to me and works here like intended 19:18:43 <Yexo> planetmaker: I committed it 3 minutes ago :) 19:19:00 <Yexo> thanks for your testing :) 19:19:40 <planetmaker> oh, ok :) no worries, my pleasure :) 19:21:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:27 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:23 <Sedontane> thanks pm 19:26:28 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:39 <energetic> I have asked this before. Now I have put some more effort and time in it; I failed again though. Point here is: I cant find code in ottd proving the manual's claim that food/goods help a towns growth 19:32:58 <energetic> Is there anyone who wrote/knows where this code is? 19:33:36 <energetic> ether I overlooked it, or its in some class/codefile you dont expect it... 19:33:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:15 <frosch123> search for TE_FOOD and TE_WATER 19:34:47 <frosch123> also todays nightly displays a notice in townview window, if food or water is needed for growth 19:35:17 <frosch123> after you have found TE_FOOD and TE_WATER in economy.cpp you can search for act_food and act_water 19:35:18 <Alberth> energetic: a grep on 'Growth' in the source dir gave me "town_cmd.cpp:enum TownGrowthResult" 19:35:31 <frosch123> those you will find then in town_cmd.cpp 19:35:45 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:37:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:38:54 <Wolf01> hello 19:39:30 <Yexo> hi Wolf01 19:39:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 19:40:39 <el_en> England prevails! 19:42:49 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 19:42:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 19:42:56 <Darkvater> bah, who kicked me out? 19:44:56 <Singaporekid> Chuck Norris 19:45:05 <Singaporekid> D: 19:46:24 <dihedral> haha 19:50:49 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:56 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:58 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:24 <Darkvater> rejoice, for I have received my 24" 16:9 LCD :D 19:52:06 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:07 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 19:52:18 <KingJ> I'll stick with my 24" 16:10 LCD thanks 19:52:38 <Darkvater> hehe 19:52:42 <Darkvater> 16:9 bette r:) 19:53:01 <Rubidium> and now they'll brag about their resolution... 19:53:08 <Darkvater> hi Rubidium 19:53:10 <KingJ> No 16:10 - more pixels! 19:53:24 <Rubidium> superhivision! 19:53:38 <Darkvater> fullHD, xtra large mega screen 19:53:45 <Darkvater> besides, I'm OP ^_^' 19:54:03 <KingJ> Oh, sorry master 19:54:08 <Darkvater> that's better ;) 19:54:41 <Darkvater> hmm, anyone else has the dark knight on bluray, or the 1080p x264 version? 19:54:59 <Darkvater> mine seems to "switch" between black bars at top/bottom and no black bars several times during the movie 19:55:13 <Rubidium> ghehe ;) 19:55:19 <Rubidium> my monitor wouldn't do that 19:55:27 <Darkvater> it's not the monitor, it's the movie 19:55:31 <Darkvater> or the codec, or whatever 19:55:40 <Rubidium> still, with my monitor it wouldn't do that 19:55:41 <Darkvater> just wondering if the movie is made like that or ffdshow's acting up 19:57:14 <Rubidium> with 16:10 it would just make the bars slightly bigger and then smaller again 19:58:19 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:58:24 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 19:59:36 <Darkvater> hmm, I think the movie is made like that 20:00:09 <Darkvater> but the good thing is that now I can develop for openttd in peace 20:00:16 <Darkvater> would be a shame of good real estate :) 20:00:17 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:27 <Darkvater> ah 20:01:29 <Darkvater> The Blu-ray version presents the film in a variable aspect ratio, with the IMAX sequences framed in 1.78:1, while scenes filmed in 35 mm are framed in 2.40:1. 20:01:39 <petern> that would be quite annoying 20:02:26 <Darkvater> it happens on a scene-change...it was only after I've seen it for the third time that I noticed 20:02:30 <Darkvater> new screen, eh? ;) 20:03:19 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm88.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:03:22 <petern> i got one yeah 20:03:56 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=41970&start=0 20:03:58 <Darkvater> hehe 20:04:07 <Darkvater> "removing sound card crashes openttd" 20:04:10 <Darkvater> I wonder why? :P 20:05:00 <Darkvater> @seen truebrain 20:05:24 <Rubidium> "removing that thick wire from the back of my computer shuts down OpenTTD without saving even when I enabled save on exit" 20:05:40 <Darkvater> we should write a patch for that 20:05:40 <Rubidium> Darkvater: snow sees TrueBrain 20:05:41 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:44 <Darkvater> very annoying 20:07:48 <Rubidium> how're the screenshots progressing? 20:08:20 <Rubidium> need the stack of user screenshots send to info@ ? 20:13:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 20:16:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet686.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:22:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:26:58 <Belugas> [14:53] <@Darkvater> rejoice, for I have received my 24" 16:9 LCD :D <--- i'm sure your credit card smiles too ;) 20:28:17 <dihedral> perhaps it's even from smile.co.uk 20:31:06 <planetmaker> anyone here knows a good image sequence to movie programme for Mac? 20:31:39 <planetmaker> I googled a bit, but it didn't seem to come by as easy as I'd hope for (like VirtualDub for windows) 20:31:52 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:57 <Tefad> isn't there some iProduct for that 20:32:29 <planetmaker> well, yeah, there are some programmes I could buy :) I was hoping for free stuff :) 20:33:10 <Tefad> haha mac. haha free.. 20:33:17 <Tefad> maybe you want handbrake? 20:33:31 <dihedral> planetmaker, is there not one in iLife? 20:33:43 <dihedral> surely there is 20:33:51 <dihedral> i have made dvd's with that stuff before 20:34:00 <planetmaker> there's this imovie - but it only takes pre-made clips. Or I'm stupid :) 20:34:10 <planetmaker> or not patient enough ;) 20:34:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:34:19 <welshdragon> planetmaker: it can use still pictures 20:34:19 <dihedral> yes, imovie 20:34:37 <dihedral> you can even pick albums from iPhoto 20:34:37 <planetmaker> hm... then I shall have a 2nd more thorough look :) 20:34:47 <planetmaker> ty guys 20:34:52 <welshdragon> are they on your camera planetmaker? 20:34:59 <dihedral> and while it creates the burnable cdr image, iSleep 20:35:06 <planetmaker> they're in my openttd screenshot folder 20:35:18 <dihedral> oh NICE 20:35:22 <dihedral> i know whats coming 20:35:25 <planetmaker> :) 20:35:29 <dihedral> YIPHEE 20:35:30 <welshdragon> planetmaker: hmm, not sure it'll work 20:35:35 <dihedral> it'll work 20:35:42 <welshdragon> ho you have iwork? 20:35:50 <dihedral> it's iLife 20:36:07 <planetmaker> hm... do not yet own iwork. But iLife. 20:36:09 <dihedral> iWork used to be Keynote and Pages, and now it also includes the excel thingy 20:36:25 <dihedral> keynote and pages are awesome 20:36:39 <planetmaker> But I'm thinking of getting iWork somewhen soon like this weekend :) 20:37:11 <dihedral> NICE 20:37:32 <Ammler> glx: do you have a up2date patch for win2console.diff? 20:37:35 <welshdragon> planetmaker: use finder to drag pictures into imovie 20:38:46 <dihedral> welshdragon, iMovie has built in support to access albums from iPhoto 20:39:04 <welshdragon> dihedral: oh? 20:39:08 <dihedral> aye 20:39:12 <welshdragon> wgere? 20:39:16 <welshdragon> *where? 20:39:54 <dihedral> somewhere, cannot remember 20:39:55 <welshdragon> oh, i know where 20:41:28 <glx> Ammler: it's not a patch 20:41:45 <glx> Ammler: http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/convert.zip 20:42:06 <welshdragon> oh. before i forget again, can conditional order jumps be used with waypoints? 20:42:44 <dihedral> did you try? 20:44:24 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:29 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 20:44:45 <welshdragon> i did, they do work, but not as i expected 20:45:25 <dihedral> hehe 20:46:41 <Ammler> glx: there is output "Converting to console" but I get still the -h in a window. 20:46:55 <Ammler> something else to do? 20:47:35 <welshdragon> hmm, so i can tell a train to 'jump' a waypoint if its speed is above a certain limit, so a fast train will jump to station b and not go via the waypoint if his speed is above 100mph (this might not make sense) 20:48:11 <Rubidium> it doesn't work based on current speeds 20:48:38 <Sacro> dihedral: numbers is awesome too 20:48:58 <dihedral> :-) 20:50:23 <welshdragon> Rubidium: ah, thanks 20:50:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E2E9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:51:47 <glx> Ammler: -d -h 20:53:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-146-206.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:57:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179057158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 20:59:22 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:00:58 <Ammler> how do I "pipe" with mingw? "./openttd -d -h | head -1" seems not to work 21:02:16 <Rubidium> try head -n 1 21:02:17 <glx> it's in stderr IIRC 21:03:37 <Rubidium> strings bin/openttd | grep -e '^r[0-9][0-9]*' 21:04:05 <petern> :D 21:09:49 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1BA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:20 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:25:36 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1BA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 21:25:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:28:15 <welshdragon> Sacro: can i run an openttd server over the internet? 21:28:28 <welshdragon> or do i have to forward ports? 21:29:03 <Ammler> depense, if you want other to join you. :;-) 21:29:10 <Yexo> @ports 21:29:12 <Wolf01> I had to backward ports 21:29:17 <welshdragon> @ports 21:29:23 <Rubidium> Yexo: blame petern 21:29:23 <Yexo> dorpsgek still isn't here :( 21:29:23 <Wolf01> @sport 21:30:11 <Sacro> welshdragon: you need to forward pots 21:30:29 <Wolf01> meltin pots? or just pots? 21:30:40 <welshdragon> Sacro: (sigh) guess i can't host my own server then 21:30:54 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Port 21:31:00 <frosch123> [22:33] <DorpsGek> OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 21:31:04 * welshdragon knows Sacro won't allow him to forward the ports 21:31:27 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 21:31:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 21:31:37 <energetic> frosch123+Alberth: thanks. Still have not seen the goods code. I will conclude hereby goods dont help town growth? 21:31:37 <planetmaker> :) 21:32:07 <planetmaker> energetic: check out todays nightly. Then you'll see w/o looking through the code 21:32:42 <frosch123> energetic: goods only make more money :) 21:32:55 <energetic> planetmaker: what do you mean? 21:32:58 <planetmaker> moooar ;) 21:33:17 <planetmaker> energetic: what frosch123 (?) told you before: as of today the needed goods are shown in the town window 21:33:36 <planetmaker> s/goods/cargo/ 21:33:42 <energetic> you mean water+food? 21:33:50 <planetmaker> whatever helps a town grow. 21:33:58 <planetmaker> in arctic it's certainly not water 21:34:10 <planetmaker> in temperate it's nothing 21:34:28 <energetic> err 21:34:40 <energetic> arctic maybe food, tropical maybe water+food 21:34:41 <energetic> but 21:34:51 <frosch123> energetic: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/foodwateraccepted2.png http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/foodwateraccepted3.png <- you should find those windows in nightly 21:35:06 <energetic> is it: "whatever helps a town grow" or: "whatever a town _needs_ to grow"? 21:35:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15567 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2674]: When building signals by dragging from a pre/entry/combo block signal, the signal you started at became a normal block signal. 21:35:24 <Yexo> it's "whatever a towns needs to grow" 21:35:49 <Yexo> "whatever helps a town grow" == "have much regural serviced stations (no matter which cargo)" 21:36:18 <energetic> well water and food was known, and is listed on the wiki manual page correctly. But goods are listed on the manual page, but isnt actually implemented in ottd. 21:36:43 <energetic> it says goods delivery helps a town grow. --> which is incorrect. 21:36:51 <Yexo> so go fix that wiki page :p 21:36:52 <frosch123> then fix the manual 21:36:56 <energetic> no 21:37:02 <energetic> you guys should fix the code ;) 21:37:08 <dihedral> twat 21:37:12 <energetic> hehe 21:37:13 <dihedral> sorry 21:37:14 <Yexo> the code is always the correct reference :) 21:37:15 <Alberth> energetic: line 603 of town_cmd.cpp mentions goods 21:37:15 <dihedral> but yeah 21:37:21 <energetic> just kidding 21:37:38 <Alberth> no idea what it means though 21:37:54 <energetic> it checks there if goods r accepted 21:37:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15568 /trunk/src/ (10 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: *allocT/AllocaM doesn't return NULL when allocating fails 21:38:00 <Yexo> that commet is a bit odd there 21:38:03 <Yexo> no idea what it means 21:38:18 <frosch123> newgrf stuff 21:38:26 <energetic> not actually doing somehting with the goods amount like if(act_goods >0) town_grow_multiplier++; 21:38:44 <frosch123> the sign of cargoacceptance defines whether a house accepts goods or food 21:38:52 <Forked> chico008 posted a link on the forum to a file containing trg*.grf .. in the IS thread 21:38:59 <energetic> but since I know quite some about the mechanics now, ill update the page soon 21:39:06 <energetic> just need to get the facts right 21:39:08 <energetic> first 21:39:43 <Alberth> that seems like a logical order of doing things 21:39:59 <dihedral> no, write a patch for r10000 and give it to alain 21:40:03 <Yexo> Forked: if you posted a link to his post, it'd be a lot easier to locate 21:40:04 <energetic> then later ill write the patch increasing towngrowth using anystuff dropped nearby 21:40:13 <Forked> Yexo: I'm just about to report it 21:40:21 <welshdragon> translations have a lot of commits pending 21:40:36 <dihedral> they get commited every night 21:40:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15569 /trunk/src/ (oldpool.cpp screenshot.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Codechange: replace MallocT + memset( 0 ) calls by CallocT 21:40:50 <Rubidium> welshdragon: depends on what you call a lot 21:40:51 <Forked> Yexo: but it's http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=767352#p767352 21:41:01 <energetic> tnx guys for helping me out here 21:41:04 <Forked> link to the win32 client, not the save obviously :) 21:41:05 <welshdragon> my 3 commits to welsh have yet to be added to SVN 21:41:30 <dihedral> well at least he says thank you ;-) 21:42:00 * Forked takes the dog for a walk 21:42:10 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:42:18 <energetic> Yexo: that surely adds to the fun factor 21:43:02 <energetic> (the code is always the correct ref) 21:43:35 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:35 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 21:45:10 <energetic> nice windows updates btw :) 21:47:54 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:51:57 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 21:53:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:01 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:01 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:07:02 *** welshdragon is now known as off 22:07:20 *** off is now known as welshdragon 22:22:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdc47.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15570 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix: Too long strings in the advanced settings window are now truncated. 22:25:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15571 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Fix: incorrect use of memset 22:27:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:31:04 * planetmaker wonders... why were my language updates I made last evening not included in todays nightly? 22:31:26 <glx> because 22:31:28 <planetmaker> (I completely futily speeded with translating the three new strings) 22:31:44 <planetmaker> :P 22:31:59 <planetmaker> minimum number of string changes over all languages? 22:32:05 <SmatZ> there wasn't Translators' commit today 22:32:12 <planetmaker> yeah. 22:32:17 <planetmaker> Who does that? 22:32:25 <SmatZ> no, it depends on in how good mood Rubidium is ;) 22:32:39 <planetmaker> Is it manual or automatical? It was my impression it was automatical... :P 22:32:46 <glx> it's manual 22:32:47 <planetmaker> Good though, that Rubidium is no bot :D 22:32:58 <glx> as wt2 often fails :) 22:33:17 <planetmaker> he... 22:33:37 <planetmaker> thx for this clearification :) 22:34:07 <planetmaker> explains why I couldn't detect a pattern so far, too :) 22:34:50 <SmatZ> :) 22:34:54 <dihedral> planetmaker, shortely before a nightly build 22:35:20 <planetmaker> dihedral: yeah. But not always :) 22:35:38 <dihedral> exceptions are proof of the rule :-P 22:35:44 <planetmaker> And the yes/no doesn't have a predictable pattern to me :) 22:36:19 <planetmaker> (which doesn't matter, but I was curious) 22:37:34 * Rubidium was preoccupied with more important things ;) 22:37:44 <planetmaker> :) 22:37:56 <Wolf01> 'night 22:37:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:38:03 <planetmaker> night, wolf... 22:38:08 <planetmaker> mÀh 22:45:26 <dihedral> planetmaker, playing with your life? 22:45:34 <planetmaker> :D 22:45:55 <planetmaker> No, reading Leonie Swann's "Glennkill" 22:47:16 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:49:58 <Bjarni> hehe... instead of playing with his life, planetmaker decided to read "...kill" 22:50:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:09 <planetmaker> :) 22:50:21 <Bjarni> in a way it is playing with life 22:50:26 <planetmaker> Bjarni: its a criminal story - where sheeps are the detectives ;) 22:50:26 <Sacro> Bjarni: love you ;) 22:50:50 <Bjarni> aren't they called "sheep" in plural? 22:51:10 <Bjarni> 1 sheep, 2 sheep 22:51:17 <Bjarni> zzz 22:51:35 <glx> yes like aircraft 22:51:42 * Sacro leans on Bjarni and falls asleep 22:52:21 * Bjarni wakes up and realise his bed is infested 22:52:28 <dihedral> glx: one aircraft, two planes 22:52:36 <glx> lol 22:52:42 <dihedral> :-P 22:52:47 * Bjarni sets his bed on fire to avoid the contamination to spread 22:53:36 <Bjarni> 1 cow, tucows(.com), 3 cows, 4 cows 22:53:48 <dihedral> moo 22:54:24 <dihedral> now lets do the same thing with dice 22:55:21 <planetmaker> yep... plurals... I should go and count sheep ;) 22:56:08 <dihedral> one... zzzzzz 22:58:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15572 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r13730): theoretical buffer overflow when company with too long name funded a road reconstruction 23:01:55 <planetmaker> exactly dih :) 23:04:09 <planetmaker> dihedral: what's the max numbers JJ can handle reasonably? 23:04:22 <planetmaker> @calc 2**61 - 1 23:04:23 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2305843009213693952 23:04:31 <planetmaker> ^^not prime, but it's a mersenne prime 23:04:59 <SmatZ> DorpsGek: doesn't seem to be significantly better in math than JJ 23:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> either it is prime or it is not prime 23:05:11 <planetmaker> SmatZ: same bot, different name ;I 23:05:21 <SmatZ> ah :) 23:05:45 *** Eddi|zuHause is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 23:06:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:06:45 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... 23:07:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: if something isn't a prime, it can't be a mersenne prime 23:07:08 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: can I say "3.1 is not a prime"? I think it's undefined... maybe it depends on how you specify primality, but you can't say "remainder of division" for non-natural numbers 23:07:28 <planetmaker> Rubidium: well. I found 2**61 - 1 in a list of mersenne primes 23:07:40 <FauxFaux> "Primality is a property of positive integers that specifes.." 23:07:41 <planetmaker> So my assumption is that this bot has a limitation on its numbers 23:07:50 <Eddi|zuHause> 3.1 (in |R) is a unit, units can never be primes (hence why 1 is not a prime) 23:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause> a number in a ring is a unit, if it has an inverse (for multiplication) 23:08:29 <planetmaker> http://primes.utm.edu/mersenne/ 23:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> FauxFaux: that's the elementary school definition of primes... 23:09:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then that number must be a prime (or the list is incorrect) 23:10:14 <SmatZ> Rubidium: DorpsGek fails to compute 2**61 - 1 correctly 23:10:18 <planetmaker> well... wiki knows the same exponent of 2 to indicate the 9th mersenne prime 23:10:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:01 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:12:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: you are mixing different maths 23:12:20 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: ? 23:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: if i define 2+2=5, then you cannot apply theorems which rely on 2+2=4 anymore 23:13:16 <SmatZ> [00:08:07] <Eddi|zuHause> 3.1 (in |R) is a unit, units can never be primes (hence why 1 is not a prime) <== does it mean you can have primes defined for any ... monoid? 23:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: there are more or less useful ways to generalise primes 23:14:11 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: well, then at least one of symbols "2,+,=,5" don't have the "usual" meaning 23:14:18 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: well. But then the definition of what constitutes a prime isn't valid anymore either as prime is so far only defined over the body of the positive integers 23:14:36 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly, and in this case, "**" does not have the "usual" meaning 23:14:37 <planetmaker> especially mersenne prime isn't defined there 23:15:07 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 23:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes, but then "2**61-1 is a tramway" has the same amount of meaningful information as "2**61-1 is a mersenne prime" 23:16:32 <planetmaker> exactly 23:17:07 <planetmaker> I assume you've read David Hofstadter? An eternal golden Braid? 23:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i have read nothing... 23:17:29 <planetmaker> you should, you'll enjoy it :) 23:17:37 <planetmaker> honestly 23:23:50 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:46 <planetmaker> so... going to count sheep for now :) 23:24:51 <planetmaker> Have a good night folks :) 23:26:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15573 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15538): Terrain type and sea level couldn't be changed in the scenario editor. 23:39:26 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:05 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 23:40:50 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]